Ford Racing (FRPP) Hot Rod Cams - 2007 Foose Mustang

[GMurphSC06GT]

what cam's should i use for my 06 Gt with an Edelbrock supercharger?

[elnrownr]

that car sounnds like it kneeds phaser lockouts

[MyLocalDJ]

Actually, when I spoke to the engineers at Ford Racing prior to purchasing the FRPP Hot Rod Cams, they said DO NOT USE Phase Lockouts or heavier springs with these cams.

[elnrownr]

oh wow thats weird but if the engineeer said so i would trust him. on my car i used phaser limiters with my first set of cams and my car ticked so bad and on second set of cams i used lockouts and it sounds much nicer ....but sweet sounding car you got there regardless

[MyLocalDJ]

What you may be hearing is some clutch chatter. Seems to be common with the cams and low idle. Both of my Foose mustangs with the Hot Rod Cams had the issue. No problems though.

[elnrownr]

oh ok i was just curious ....what power are you making with the current mods ?

[MyLocalDJ]

This particular car does not exist any longer. It was a total loss. However, it was pushing a little over 300 RWHP. My other Foose has the FRPP Whipple 400 HP kit with the same cams and shorty FRPP Headers and has 425 RWHP.

[elnrownr]

thats good number withought spray my car makes a little over 360 at the tires im first in line for the new ford racing intake manifold coming out in march which should add another 40 + so looking to be at 400 n/a and with a 200 shot aqbout 600 rwhp

[Blackinterceptor999]

Pretty soon my cousin is looking into buying a 2010 Mustang GT Premium, Do you think we would have any troubles with these cams and an STS twin turbo setup with a conservative tune? Just thought I might ask somebody with a boosted setup:)

[MyLocalDJ]

These cams are really not the best suited for boost applications. They will work, but since you said you are going with a twin turbo, I take it that you are looking for real HP. I would recommend buying cams made for boost.

[Blackinterceptor999]

Mkay, Thank you, My search shall continue:) You mustang sounds awesome btw!

[mustangman6579]

Yea it's true. You will want cams made for turbos. These are made for NA apps.

[w0123478]

Yummy...... I've got #62 and cans are the next logical step.

[Berumen85]

What kind of suspension are fooses runnin? Love the stance!

[08gtstang]

so b4 u had the supercharger u didnt have the idle issue comin up 2 a stop?! did u ever run it at the track b4 the sc?!

[MyLocalDJ]

I had 2 different Foose 2007 Mustangs. The one in this clip had the Hot Rod Cams installed at about 2000 miles. It had slight idle surges but nothing to worry about. I recently bought another brand new 2007 Foose and had the FRPP Supercharger, FRPP Hot Rod Cams, and FRPP Shorty Headers all installed before I ever took possession of the car. In fact, I never even heard the car run before it had the mods so I really can't talk about the idle before install.

[MyLocalDJ]

What I can say is that the idle is similar to the previous Foose but is more erratic in this Supercharged car than the other one. I have run several tunes and so far the FRPP tune that came with the SC is the best in stability.

In my first Foose, that was not SC'd, I ran both the Mustang stock tune and a couple of different dyno tunes. All were okay for driveability and performance. Some tunes were better for performance than others.

[MyLocalDJ]

Update - regarding the idle issues on the supercharged Foose mentioned below... the idle issues are resolved. Brenspeed supplied a new tune for the supercharger and hot rod cam combination and the issues went away. Note that I am not talking about the car in this clip but the other 2007 Foose mustang that I own that have the same cams but is also supercharged.

[08gtstang]

yea man cause i wanna get these in my car by spring i had 2 ask around about em dude

[08gtstang]

dude did u replace the springs??!?

[MyLocalDJ]

No. FRPP Hot Rod Cams are no springs required cams. Ford Racing recommends that you do not change the springs or potential failure could occur. You also should not use cam limiters or phasers with these cams.

Caution: I am running these same cams on another Foose with a FRPP Whipple SC. This combination takes a lot of care to get it tuned correctly when using FI since these cams are not designed for FI. There are significant idle issues initially.

[08gtstang]

so off ford racing u just ordered the cams thats it?! did u tune the car (dyno) and what do u mean by fi or whatever? and idle issues?

[MyLocalDJ]

For this particular car, I had FRPP Hot Rod Cams, Steeda Under Drive Pulleys, BBK Ceramic Coated Shorty Headers, BBK Cold Air Intake, 3:73 gears. The car was dyno tuned and came in at 302 RWHP and 313 ft-lbs torque. Would I do them again, absolutely! and I did! Read on...

[MyLocalDJ]

My other 2007 Foose is the one that I mentioned the cautionary note about because it is very similar but has Forced Induction (FI) - a supercharger. With this particular car, the cam combination with the supercharger is providing quite a challenge with the custom tuning. I am hopeful that we will get it resolved. This other car dynos in at 424 RWHP with basically just the FRPP Whipple SC, FRPP Hot Rod Cams, and FRPP Shorty Headers.

[MyLocalDJ]

The tune issues related primarily to erratic idle when you are coming to a stop. I have a manual transmission and when coming to a light, the RPMs will drop to around 300-350 and then after about 2-3 seconds will bounce back up to around 900. Just wanted others to know if you try this combo, expect to have potential issues with the idle. I believe they can be worked out, but time will tell.  Would I still do it again? The jury is still out on this combination but so far, the answer is yes.

[ashtrey05]

What are the specs for the cams? lift, seat-seat duration, lobe center angle, rpm range? I have the compcams XFI NSR Stage One cams, trueflow cai, 4.10 gears, ford racing shorty headers, aero exhaust, ford racing spark plugs and dyno tune with sct in my 5.4 3v and i have 274 rwhp and 328 rwtq.

[MyLocalDJ]

Production / FRPP Cams Specs

Intake Lobe: Racing Cams

IVO BTDC 15 / 49 deg.

IVC ABDC 53 / 51 deg.

Total duration 248 / 280 deg.

Duration @0.006 262 deg.

Duration @0.050 200 deg.

[MyLocalDJ]

Exhaust Lobe:

EVO BBDC 80 / 97 deg.

EVC ATDC 19 / 19 deg.

Total duration 279 / 296 deg.

Duration @0.006 281 deg.

Duration @0.050 216 deg.

Overlap 34 / 68 deg.

Lobe separation angle 133 deg.

Valve Lift: 11mm / 12mm

[MyLocalDJ]

part of FRPP email...

The opening and closing numbers listed are for the cams in the fully advanced position. They can be retarded up to about 55 degrees from these values by the VCT.

The Ford Racing cams will not show any power improvement over production if they are installed in the fully advanced position and the VCT is locked out because the intake closing point would be essentially the same as a fully advanced production cam.

[MyLocalDJ]

last part of FRPP email...

1) 3v at 12 degree retard is about where the production cam events happen near the power peak rpm.

2) 3v at 17 degree retard is about where the production cam events happen if VCT is locked out and cam is installed 1 sprocket tooth retarded.

3) hot rod at 17 degree retard is where the "hot rod cam" events happen if VCT is locked out and the cam is installed 1 sprocket tooth retarded.

[MyLocalDJ]

Note that specs above are showns using the "/" as Production / FRPP Hot Rod Cams.

[f3ar0r]

Sounds sick but open that exhaust up a bit more!! :)

[MyLocalDJ]

Ford Racing Hot Rod Cams are for the 2005+ 3V engine. I would suspect that they would have something similar for the 2V engine. I would go to their web site and look. Then you can always contact them direct through there for any specific questions. That is basically what I did while I was researching what I wanted.

[LollipopGanjster]

sounds good are they available for a 2000 mustang gt 2v?

[TroutButter]

Love it! (This is SirKnightTG from mustang forums BTW)