Regarding 2 Pe 3:9, imagine the US President giving a speech on hunger saying, "My fellow Americans...our Government is generous toward you, not wishing that any should go hungry, but that all should be fed." Does this mean the US is going to feed everyone in the world? Certainly not. It's the same in Peter, "This is the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved (3:1)...The Lord...is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance"
There is no way this is real ahahahahahaha!!!! This sounds like a song calvinist made to make fun of arminians lol! Reminds me of the satire book "Against Calvinism"
CHOICE YES, but FREEDOM of CHOICE NO!!!!... only God has absolute freedom of the will, to DO the good pleasure of his will. why? BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO, thats why! Philippian 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE!.. NOT mans good pleasure... what is good in the sinner outside of Jesus Chist anyways???? this song is the biggest deception in the local church today.
Beautiful song. It shows the majesty of God in creation and granting free will. We sang this song at summer camp, and have always kept the words in my mind. Thrilled that this is on the internet. Brings back wonderful memories.
@APSOC38 Yes, I am. And your point...? It is a beautiful song and the words are stirring. However, if you are a religious bigot, then I can understand how the words of this song are over your head. I will admit however, that the quality of the singers is a little off. Further, I do not care about the debate about free will vs. predestination. Further, I agree that this particular Christian college has some odd rules (i.e., no dating) that I would rebel against.
At PCC, you get no Free Will because not only is it unaccredited, but it is legalistic. And Legalism destroys our loving relationship with God. I still can't believe that I got in trouble for praying and doing devotionals on their campus.
Prov.16:9A man's heart devises his way: but the LORD directs his steps.Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails.
Proverbs 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?
Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps.
These verses don't imply man has free will,in fact they declare just the opposite.
(cont.) He makes us willing to believe. And the way He does this is by removing our heart of stone and giving us a heart of flesh so that we may truly love and believe in Him.
(cont.) In our fallen state, due to our sinful nature, we are not free to obey God's commands. We are, in fact, "dead in trespasses and sins." Dead is dead. Not "sick." We cannot choose God because we would never in a million years do so unless God causes us to choose Him.
(cont.) No one in his right mind would demand of someone else that they love him. But God commands this very thing from all of his creation. These Bible verses are completely opposed to the idea that God does not cause us to obey Him.
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:36-40)
If anyone else in the world commanded us to love him, we would rightly tell him that was foolish to make such a demand. (cont.)
Before we are led by the Spirit we are totally free... to sin in whatever way our sick little minds desire to. And we are free to do everything our heart desires.. which is only evil continually.
As a Messianic Jew I have not seen such ignorance. This video is proof that evangelicals DO NOT understand the God of Scripture. This video is proof that a system has been established in order to attack the sovereign God by using pagan Greek philosphy in music. This is not a "christian" group because NO genuine Christian would dare raise their will above the will of God. Free will IS either Molinism or Arminianism and anyone who sings such music is a Roman Catholic at heart.
@callednchosen I assure you, this is not what all Christians believe.. I am a professing Christian and I would never be so arrogant to assume that my will conquers God's or that salvation was left up to a depraved human like me. Please, don't let their terrible example shape your view of all Christians.
without engaging into the great debate....i would like to say that i find it hilarious that they are preaching free will at PENSACOLA christian college. they are soooooooo strict with all of their rules and regulations, when looking into schools i heard that pcc and bob jones were the worst.
I love they sing in first person as if God is singing this lame song! "I own the cattle on a thousand hills!" "But one thing I can't do, create everything!"
"Only willing love is worth the price. I'll never force you, for i love you so." Give me a flipping break!!! Ok, if my kid is running towards the outlet with a fork, i'll just say "don't do that honey, listen to me," because i want her obedient love to be willing and not forced. Bull dung!! I am going to run over there and yank her away from the outlet, then spank her tail for not listening to me. If i don't do that, i may not have a kid to love, because they'll die.
@1tmoch This whole video is putred. A den of dead mens bones in that church, so bent on tradition and elevating self. Disgusting!! I'd be flipping tables if i were there. They say that was a "college."
I'd be "joyful" too if I could choose God without His help, but I can't, because I'm a sinful human. Maybe they think they can choose Him because they're Pensacola Supermen, but the heart of man is DESPERATELY wicked!
On top of this being horrible music, it's heresy with a laser part on display. Man's will is not sovereign. God is. They sing about Jehovah reigning, and then inform everyone that Jehovah does not reign at all. Man's will does. Run, baby, run. Get out of these places that serve up humanism on a fundamentalist platter.
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This song is simply stating the truth that we have the choice to love or reject God. It does not in any way imply that God is obedient to our will, but that He allows us to make our own decision. Man's free will is a core Christian belief .......our sin nature is a direct product of it ( Eve made the choice to eat of the forbidden fruit ). This song is reminding us that God wants us to love Him by our own choice but not by His force. Forced love is not real love!
wow, is this what they allow to be taught there? And to think I seriously gave some thought to attending this college... If they give the stage to false doctrine to consume the minds of the student body, I would rather drive to a college close by, and hear the Word of God preached correctly at my own church then sit idle by and let these people preach false doctrine to me. This greatly discourages me.
I heard this song live when I was at PCC. I was an Arminian then. Now I believe the Bible: man's will is in bondage and he cannot even think to choose God. I think they need a little less Mullenix and a little more Edwards.
@1Atomtan You are right,the intellectual acrobatics you speak of are simply thinking,being as a berean as the Word calls us to do,we need to think,we dont need John Calvin at all,let's just read our Bibles and see if these things be so,and besides please help me understand where the paradox is,,God is Sovereign that's all there is to it,why would anyone want a free will and as a spiritually dead sinner,how can a dead man choose,and if he does choose,he will choose only according to his nature
@bobcaldwellrocks The paradox: God would that " none " should perish and and yet God is sovereign. Reformers act as if God is less sovereign for allowing man to choose his own fate. There are so many passages that deal with this in the Bible. The only place I see an group of elect is where Abraham's descendants were elected to bring bring in the gospel and scripture. I can't find a single place where election has anything to do with salvation. Salvation is by grace, through faith. Not election
@1Atomtan Context,Peter's letter's 2 Peter3:9 who were/are they addressed to?,the Bible says it's the Church,the Body of Christ,if God "would that none should perish"than none will perish,otherwise if He is unable to accomplish what He would(wills) He would not be Sovereign and therefore not God at all and he will share His Glory with no one,if you would like fell free to share some of the "many passages that deal with this"(from your response),nevertheless,I praise God together with you brother
If that doesn't convince you, read that last line of v27 and me again how salvation has nothing to do with election. Want more? Read John 6 and think about it.
@linearconcepts I'll get back to you on your provided scripture. BTW: I don't agree with a single way Pensacola Christian college operate their " business " or the testimony in their local community. This song is terrible also and no human is that sugary sweet. Christian or otherwise.
@1Atomtan I know nothing about how Pensecola operates, so I can't comment on that.
My comments are aimed at this song and how its authors have either never read their whole Bibles, or have never tried to make sense of the very many passages that directly contradict this song. They're content to be cherry-picking. And that's not good.
That's why I offered those passages. They force us to deal with the implications of both Jesus' words AND His actions. ..and then apply His mindset.
@linearconcepts But that is how PCC rolls. It's run by two old people with no children of their own who think the world can be turned back into 1955. As if 1955 humans were any different than 2011 humans.
briancook007 loves to quote stuff!! this is the problem with christians--just quoting, quoting, quoting all day long--shit they've heard since birth--I know I used to be one. think for yourself--use that brain of yours--don't let anyone tell you what to think--i don't get this lamb to the slaughter mindset--it's crazy!!! this follow the bible crap has led to so much hate in this country--hatred of anything that is not like you--such a simple, pedestrian way of life!!!!
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"...in the image of God created he him." God has a free will, He loved the man He created in His likeness so much that He gave man that free will as well. He knew man would take that free will and rebel against Himself, yet He did not want to make slaves of His creatures, He wanted to see man choose to love Him out of a free will. "only willing love is worth the price" that He paid on Calvary. Why on earth would Jesus sacrifice His life's blood, and then choose some to send to hell anyway?
this is hideous. What a sad attempt at defacing the sovereignty of God and His election. God isn't at the mercy of His creatures. His creatures cannot make Him a debtor. this is heartbreaking man centered garbage that is nowhere to be found in scripture. The Lion of Judah actually saves men; He doesn't make them "saveable." No man seeks God and no man can come unless God, from His own purposes, Wills Him to live again and repent and believe the gospel.
LMAO! Someone hasn't been reading their Bible. The god they worship is nothing more than their own autonomous "free" will. Talk about being a slave to one's self!
LOLOLOLOL i am laughing so hard...LOLOL...thanks for posting this...LOLOL i am still laughing...geez...God owns cattle and controls planets, impressive...man has more freedom than God...OUCH! - someone was pissed off at Calvinism when they made this LOL, how obvious!
oh please, he said "incredible God"? what a joke! i hate this "enabler" god - who all he ever does is "know" stuff and beg. repulsive to God's holiness and what violence to SCRIPTURE! thanks for the humor :>)...got it LOL.
"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"--George Whitefield
"The fact that God asked man to reason with him shows that he is not going to arbitrarily deliver man and give to him blessings without man's consent. If the destiny of man is fixed, without regard to whether he accepts or rejects the provision made for him, then there would be no occasion for him to reason with the Lord. This for ever puts to silence the theory of predestination of every creature."--J.F. Rutherford, higher-up of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult, "Deliverance", p. 102
"I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart."--Charles Spurgeon, five-point Calvinistic Baptist, "The Blood of the Everlasting Covenant"
P (perseverance of the saints [or, eternal security])--Jn. 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Heb. 13:5: "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." I Pet. 1:5: "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." II Pet. 1:9: "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."
I (irresistible [or, efficacious] grace)--Eze. 36:26-27: "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Acts 16:14: "Lydia,...which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."
L (limited [or, definite] atonement)--Jn. 10:11, 15: "The good shepherd giveth his life for the SHEEP.....I lay down my life for the SHEEP." Rom. 8:32-33: "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for US ALL, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT? It is God that justifieth." Eph. 5:25: "Husbands, love your wives, EVEN AS Christ also loved the CHURCH, and gave himself for IT."
U (unconditional election)--Acts 13:48: "And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Rom. 9:16-18: "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
T (total depravity)--Isa. 1:5-6: "The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment." Jer. 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Isa. 64:6 (NKJV): "But we are all like an unclean [thing], And all our righteousnesses [are] like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away." Rom. 3:10-11 (NKJV): "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD."
Jn. 6:65 (Berry): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless it be given to him from my Father." Jn. 6:65 (Young): "NO one IS ABLE to come unto me, if it may not have been given him from my Father." Jn. 6:65: (Comfort): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless it has been given to him from the Father."
Jn. 6:44 (Berry): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him...." Jn. 6:44 (Young): "NO one IS ABLE to come unto me, if the Father who sent me may not draw him...." Jn. 6:44 (Comfort): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless the Father having sent me should draw him...."
Jn. 3:27 (Berry): "A man IS ABLE to receive NOTHING unless it be given to him from the heaven." Jn. 3:27 (Young): "A man IS NOT ABLE to receive ANYTHING, if it may not have been given him from the heaven." Jn. 3:27 (Comfort): "A man IS NOT ABLE to receive ANYTHING unless it has been given to him from Heaven."
Psa. 58:3 (NKJV): "The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." Eph. 2:3 (NKJV): "We...were BY NATURE children of wrath...." Jn. 6:44 (NKJV): "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." Jn. 6:65 (NKJV): "No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
Job 15:14-16 (NKJV): "What [is] man, that he could be pure? And [he who is] born of a woman, that he could be righteous? If [God] puts no trust in His saints, And the heavens are not pure in His sight, How much less man, [who is] abominable and filthy, Who drinks iniquity like water!" Jn. 3:27 (NKJV): "A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven."
Job 25:4-6 (NKJV): "How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure [who is] born of a woman? If even the moon does not shine, And the stars are not pure in His sight, How much less man, [who is] a maggot, And a son of man, [who is] a worm?"
Gen. 6:5 (NKJV): "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every intent of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually." Gen. 8:21 (NKJV): "The imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth." Jer. 13:23 (NKJV): "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? [Then] may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil."
Isa. 1:5-6 (NKJV): "The WHOLE head is sick, And the WHOLE heart faints. From the sole of the foot even to the head, [There is] NO soundness in it, [But] wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; They have not been closed or bound up, Or soothed with ointment." Jer. 17:9 (NKJV): "The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], And desperately wicked; Who can know it?"
Job 23:13 (NKJV): "But He [is] unique, and who can make Him change? And [whatever] His soul desires, [that] He does." Psa. 135:6 (NKJV): "Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places." Dan. 4:35 (NKJV): 'All the inhabitants of the earth [are] reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And [among] the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand Or say to Him, "What have You done?"'
choose or burn--that's the choice--that's not free will, that's fear! no one would choose to love anyone that said love me or i'll cook you in a really hot oven and your body will be covered in worms and you'll grind your teeth in pain--no one in their right mind would love that person! this is such unbelievable fantasy--you must also believe in santa claus--probably not, santa claus is more believeable than this crap! who in their right mind can believe this?
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@ULOOOOZER Calvinist? Well like many verses you misinterperet that one. That is referring to what God does when he saves you! When God saves you he gives you the Holy Spirit so when you are born you are no longer born of the will of man or the will of the flesh but of this will of the spirit. Paul speaks in Romans about the two natures the will of the flesh and the will of the spirit. Romans 7 and those wills are contrary one to the other.
@ProphecyofNewLight Misguided Arminian? Remarkable... you articulate how antithetical the two wills are and yet you still believe it is the fleshly will of man that is the determining factor for faith in Christ. (Predictable) Here-in lies the essential difference between you and me: At night, I can lay my head on the pillow and thank God for the gift of my faith in Christ, for He is the AUTHOR and finisher of my faith...whereas you are in no position to thank Him for that gift. Very lamentable.
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@ULOOOOZER wow your a cult leader who believes that your god makes people sin then punishes them for the sin he made them do then you use circular thinking to say your god can do that because he is god. Might as well serve allah. He is the giver of salvation and the only one who gives salvation the author and finisher of our faith but he has made a convenant look that wrd up in prayer
@ProphecyofNewLight If this is your way of defending this video and its heretical theology, then you have failed miserably. (expected) You play the part perfectly of the disgruntled man's response to the sovereignty of God found in Romans 9:20. It's hard in your pride to let God be God isn't it?
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@ULOOOOZER No sir you believe your the elect. Who told you your the elect anyway? You didn't have a vision from God and he did not speak to you in a dream so why are you the elect? Your not the pre selected as you think you are just a proud sinner who is still sinning and has a religion to back his sin up because Spurgeon the tobacco pipe smoking false prophet put calvinism over the bible he said if calvinism is not true the bible is false that is a heretic! explain 1 John 2:22 calvinist?
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@ProphecyofNewLight NO God is God and not what you make him either. Talk about heretic Jesus Christ died for all men taht is clear in the bible. God doesn't hate others and love you you were born a sinner wicked and reprobate like the rest of us and he is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance he said if I be lifted up I should draw all men unto me. Also you so misquote Romans 9:20 Just like Peter spoke about in 2 Peter 3:16. Solomon and Saul were chosen by God
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@ULOOOOZER Are you saying that we are God's puppets? Does this mean the man who leaves his wife had no choice in the matter? What about the husband who abuses his wife, the wife who abuses her child? The person who gets drunk and crashes his car into a family, killing them all? Does God also control and author these behaviors?
@Wanetadawn wow... that was quite a leap from the Bible verse I quoted. If you believe that you are the author of your faith in Jesus, then congratulations are in order! You are clearly superior to those who don't possess your spiritual discernment. I personally prefer to give God the glory and thanks for the gift of my faith in Christ, for I believe He is the Author and finisher of my faith. Our 'free will' is exercised everyday in our sin...so I'll take full responsibility for my sin.
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@ULOOOOZER I find your sarcastic putdown totally unexceptable, unkind, and non-Christian. Not only is the verse you referred to (and did not quote) not the only verse on the subject, the various comments on the song said God is in control of everything, so it was NOT clear that you all were speaking of salvation. Since when is a person to be mocked when they ask a question? I am interested in discussion, but you are obviously the wrong person to discusss it with.
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@Wanetadawn Seriously, I would like courteous discussion on this. The Bible says God would that all men (I assume that means women, too) were saved. That is obviously His will, why is in not happening? While it is true that God is soveriegn, how can He be completely in control of everything when such evil happens? Frankly, so much evil has happened in my life that it is NOT at all comforting for someone to tell me God is in control. What does that mean?
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@Wanetadawn continued: If God forced me and you to be saved and hardened Pharoah's heart, & sends those who haven't heard the Good News to Hell, does He also harden the hearts of abusers? James says God doesn't tempt anyone. How does that fit with God hardening Pharoah's heart? Did God also cause ULOOOOZER and others on this site to make nasty responses? I know no one can come to Christ unless the Spirit draws him/her. But does that wooing also force the person to accept Christ?
@ULOOOOZER You narrow-minded Calvinist! What about James 1:18? "In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures." hmm that's not what I meant..I meant Ephesians 2:8 and...wait no..I meant...Arminians stop fighting against the Word of G-d. Submit. You're no more special than I am if you are among the called. For by grace we have been saved through faith and this NOT of ourselves...Soli Deo Gloria
@Raistlin49 I hear ya...It gets to be tough being as narrow-minded as John, Paul, Peter, James, Luke, Jesus, etc...but hey...at least I get the joy of thanking God for the gift of the faith I have in Christ. Great passage in James by the way...love it. God bless.
"There is no one righteous, not even one... no one who seeks God.... there is no one who does good, not even one." (Romans 3:10-12).
No one. NOT ONE seeks God. Seeking God to be saved would be a good thing, but "no one does good, not even one". God grants repentance (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25). Faith is a gift from God (Eph 2:8). Not from works. Seeking would be a work. Therefore those who are saved have been "made alive", enabled to cry out to the God who saved them through Christ.
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i had tears all the way. the fact that YHWH asked me "do you want to come" and i said "yes" is greater proof than any calvinist doctrine. i am proud to call him father, not sadist, loving creator, not baby burner.
That's why the Apostle Paul said, as it is written, there is none righteous no not one, there is none who understand, there is none who seeks after God, they have all turn aside, they have together become unprofitable. There is none that doeth good no not one.
Unregenerate man absolutely has a free will. By his very nature, man is free to sin & to make all the wrong choices. He is free to be a sinner. He is free to rebel against God. He is free to violate God's principles. He is free to violate the law. That's what free will is, the freedom to do wrong! ROMANS 3;10- 12
Even if you choose Christ, it takes all the credit away from us. You see, we want to think that there's a little shred of goodness in us, that made us worthy of salvation. We'd like to think we're save because we were smart enough or spiritually enough or perceptive enough to make the right choice, we choose Him! But what did Jesus say, He said,
"You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you." You see, my friend, you can't even take the credit from making the right choice! From start to finish, salvation is God's sovereign work in us according to the riches of His grace. Ephesians 1:4; 2Timothy 1:9
Doesn't this do too much for the Arminians? What happens to the idea that all things work together to the good of those who love God? Or how does God claim to govern the universe? I suppose he's not the Soverign King but the Grand Manipulator who has crystal ball fore-knowledge so He can mold things the way He wants it. Yet while claiming we're in charge, in reality He takes all the credit and claims absolute authority. We're more like Pavlov's dog! Total rubbish and unbiblical to the core!!
I would be embarrassed to have sung in that group and sung that song. PCC is a bunch of inbred homeschool children trying to pretend that they're being educated.
I think I just heard the apostle Paul roll over in his grave. He might have to resurrect early to write another epistle in response to this madness and bring Peter and John along with him.
Hearing things like this make me thank God He delivered me from such a twisted doctrine. Keep soteriology theocentric and biblical!! God chose us by His soverign authority! =)
It makes me proud to say that I had no part in my own salvation. If I had the slightest role it would never be enough. Only the perfect righteousness of Christ for me, thank you. I wish people would stop limiting God in such distorted ways.
JOHN 1:13: who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God
ROMANS 9:15-16: I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
By the way, I used the NASB, the Bible Moses used!
God gives us freedom to make choices but PCC takes them away.
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This seems like a bunch of Sovereign Gracers got together and wrote a song in order to mock freewillers
bigbadwolff1 3 weeks ago
@bigbadwolff1 I thought it was paroday too. But it's genuine.
TheotherPrometheus 2 weeks ago 2
Regarding 2 Pe 3:9, imagine the US President giving a speech on hunger saying, "My fellow Americans...our Government is generous toward you, not wishing that any should go hungry, but that all should be fed." Does this mean the US is going to feed everyone in the world? Certainly not. It's the same in Peter, "This is the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved (3:1)...The Lord...is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance"
bobules1 1 month ago
Barf.
saintoccasionally 5 months ago
Looks like 37 people don't believe in the Sovereignty of God, or the Bible.
flaisbeast 5 months ago 2
ROTFL! Oh my goodness. I agree with Samuelb - there is no way that that can be real! Wow...just wow.
newbirth35 6 months ago
There is no way this is real ahahahahahaha!!!! This sounds like a song calvinist made to make fun of arminians lol! Reminds me of the satire book "Against Calvinism"
samuelb7873 6 months ago 3
Just cuz you can make it rhyme doesn't make it true lol
GoPatriots100 6 months ago 3
I believe Scripture would disagree with the fact that it's God's perspective.
Disciple365 7 months ago
CHOICE YES, but FREEDOM of CHOICE NO!!!!... only God has absolute freedom of the will, to DO the good pleasure of his will. why? BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO, thats why! Philippian 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE!.. NOT mans good pleasure... what is good in the sinner outside of Jesus Chist anyways???? this song is the biggest deception in the local church today.
spiritparaclete 8 months ago 2
oh look, the church of free willy .
florinu123 8 months ago
I don't know who wrote this lame song, but it's wrong on 100 levels. Wonder if these clowns think an aborted baby has "free will."
Maestrohbill 9 months ago
I wonder if Esau likes this song.
SavedByGraceAdam 9 months ago 4
this is an awesome song... not
detroitdavid313 9 months ago 3
We DO freely chose but our "Free Will is a SLAVE"... and we FREELY chose what the dictates of our will has determined.... Sin and Selfishness.
Thank you Mr Spurgeon!! FREE WILL A SLAVE!
SovereignGraceSingle 9 months ago
This is bad on so many levels...
Keruaran 10 months ago 3
Beautiful song. It shows the majesty of God in creation and granting free will. We sang this song at summer camp, and have always kept the words in my mind. Thrilled that this is on the internet. Brings back wonderful memories.
thatcher81 10 months ago
@thatcher81 Sir, are you a Christian? Seriously...
APSOC38 7 months ago
@APSOC38 Yes, I am. And your point...? It is a beautiful song and the words are stirring. However, if you are a religious bigot, then I can understand how the words of this song are over your head. I will admit however, that the quality of the singers is a little off. Further, I do not care about the debate about free will vs. predestination. Further, I agree that this particular Christian college has some odd rules (i.e., no dating) that I would rebel against.
thatcher81 7 months ago
At PCC, you get no Free Will because not only is it unaccredited, but it is legalistic. And Legalism destroys our loving relationship with God. I still can't believe that I got in trouble for praying and doing devotionals on their campus.
brocksteady84 10 months ago
i have no idea what weak god sang this, but not the one who is the Potter
jsawrie 1 year ago 2
im so glad God didnt leave me to choose. Praise Him for His grace
iwaslikepfffft 1 year ago 8
@iwaslikepfffft "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." Romans 9
detroitdavid313 9 months ago
This song is absolute HERESY!!!!
doctorh2005 1 year ago 10
The will is not free - its enslaved to the nature.
However, we are still responsible for our actions
doctorh2005 1 year ago 9
Prov.16:9A man's heart devises his way: but the LORD directs his steps.Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails.
Proverbs 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?
Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps.
These verses don't imply man has free will,in fact they declare just the opposite.
CBALLEN 1 year ago 6
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fndfndfndfnd 1 year ago
pcc is a dangerous place for the developing mind
fndfndfndfnd 1 year ago 13
This song never fails to crack me up.
52blades 1 year ago 2
Anyone notice how little "joy" there is on the faces of the "Joy Quartet"?
dmille3098 1 year ago 33
(cont.) He makes us willing to believe. And the way He does this is by removing our heart of stone and giving us a heart of flesh so that we may truly love and believe in Him.
Pilgrimsarbour 1 year ago 26
(cont.) In our fallen state, due to our sinful nature, we are not free to obey God's commands. We are, in fact, "dead in trespasses and sins." Dead is dead. Not "sick." We cannot choose God because we would never in a million years do so unless God causes us to choose Him.
Pilgrimsarbour 1 year ago 24
(cont.) No one in his right mind would demand of someone else that they love him. But God commands this very thing from all of his creation. These Bible verses are completely opposed to the idea that God does not cause us to obey Him.
Pilgrimsarbour 1 year ago 5
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:36-40)
If anyone else in the world commanded us to love him, we would rightly tell him that was foolish to make such a demand. (cont.)
Pilgrimsarbour 1 year ago 5
Not only is the theology way off, it is just a terrible song. The tune and the wording is so lame.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago 3
They are right.
Before we are led by the Spirit we are totally free... to sin in whatever way our sick little minds desire to. And we are free to do everything our heart desires.. which is only evil continually.
This is more sad that funny to me.
KeezeeD 1 year ago 3
Bleh! Blasphemy!
God is sovereign and controls EVERYTHING.
danishka4jesus 1 year ago 5
As a Messianic Jew I have not seen such ignorance. This video is proof that evangelicals DO NOT understand the God of Scripture. This video is proof that a system has been established in order to attack the sovereign God by using pagan Greek philosphy in music. This is not a "christian" group because NO genuine Christian would dare raise their will above the will of God. Free will IS either Molinism or Arminianism and anyone who sings such music is a Roman Catholic at heart.
callednchosen 1 year ago 4
@callednchosen I assure you, this is not what all Christians believe.. I am a professing Christian and I would never be so arrogant to assume that my will conquers God's or that salvation was left up to a depraved human like me. Please, don't let their terrible example shape your view of all Christians.
dapacau 10 months ago
Gay
compactzebra 1 year ago
without engaging into the great debate....i would like to say that i find it hilarious that they are preaching free will at PENSACOLA christian college. they are soooooooo strict with all of their rules and regulations, when looking into schools i heard that pcc and bob jones were the worst.
Eizzate 1 year ago 2
This is as aweful as the doctrine. It gives the sense of the limp wristed "savior" it represents.
MrInstitutes 1 year ago 6
I love they sing in first person as if God is singing this lame song! "I own the cattle on a thousand hills!" "But one thing I can't do, create everything!"
MrInstitutes 1 year ago 5
This is sickening and horrendous...may God open the eyes of all those that diminish and spit on God's sovereignty...
ebsc 1 year ago 11
I would have chosen my sin every single time had God not saved me.
seephas 1 year ago 12
"Only willing love is worth the price. I'll never force you, for i love you so." Give me a flipping break!!! Ok, if my kid is running towards the outlet with a fork, i'll just say "don't do that honey, listen to me," because i want her obedient love to be willing and not forced. Bull dung!! I am going to run over there and yank her away from the outlet, then spank her tail for not listening to me. If i don't do that, i may not have a kid to love, because they'll die.
1tmoch 1 year ago 11
@1tmoch This whole video is putred. A den of dead mens bones in that church, so bent on tradition and elevating self. Disgusting!! I'd be flipping tables if i were there. They say that was a "college."
1tmoch 1 year ago 12
@1tmoch Lol.. name a date and I'll be there. :P
SydandReese 1 year ago
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Choose ye this day whom ye will serve...but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15)
SSonnentag 1 year ago
I don't think people who are dead have any will...Lazarus had no choice when the Lord said come forth!
pdm777 1 year ago 12
I'd be "joyful" too if I could choose God without His help, but I can't, because I'm a sinful human. Maybe they think they can choose Him because they're Pensacola Supermen, but the heart of man is DESPERATELY wicked!
GoPatriots100 1 year ago 9
P.S. I thought fundamentalists believed that women should be silent in church? What's up with the woman's preaching at PCC?
ValkyrieRides1966 1 year ago 7
@ValkyrieRides1966 That gal that spoke at the beginning reminded me so much of one of my Popish high school classmates in Western New York.
APSOC38 1 year ago
On top of this being horrible music, it's heresy with a laser part on display. Man's will is not sovereign. God is. They sing about Jehovah reigning, and then inform everyone that Jehovah does not reign at all. Man's will does. Run, baby, run. Get out of these places that serve up humanism on a fundamentalist platter.
ValkyrieRides1966 1 year ago 6
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This song is simply stating the truth that we have the choice to love or reject God. It does not in any way imply that God is obedient to our will, but that He allows us to make our own decision. Man's free will is a core Christian belief .......our sin nature is a direct product of it ( Eve made the choice to eat of the forbidden fruit ). This song is reminding us that God wants us to love Him by our own choice but not by His force. Forced love is not real love!
MrCF1991 1 year ago
wow, is this what they allow to be taught there? And to think I seriously gave some thought to attending this college... If they give the stage to false doctrine to consume the minds of the student body, I would rather drive to a college close by, and hear the Word of God preached correctly at my own church then sit idle by and let these people preach false doctrine to me. This greatly discourages me.
josh4380 1 year ago 11
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
manrelic 1 year ago 12
God will only do something if we tell him to?.....good to know God is at all
mighty man's beckoned call.
GraceUnmerited1 1 year ago 22
boys and girls this is what we like to call heresy in song
jsawrie 1 year ago 28
if there was such a thing as hyper-armenianism, i think we just found it.
florinu123 1 year ago 33
Wow. Bad theology set to music. Nice. I am going with no.
youthministerman 1 year ago 27
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"I will only do it if you say so" lol... If God works at my bidding...how is he God?
CrossWinder 1 year ago
"I will only do it if you say so" lol... If God works at my bidding...how is he God?
CrossWinder 1 year ago 24
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Tim Horton played hockey and a started a chain of donuts.
newtonbrook 1 year ago
@newtonbrook Hey! Don't be knocking them Tim Horton's donuts! They're quite tasty. I know, because I grew up outside of Buffalo.
APSOC38 1 year ago
So... PCC is Arminian, huh? Oh boy.
Nilyentaraka 1 year ago 6
@Nilyentaraka that actually explains alot.
mercenarydrunk 1 year ago
I heard this song live when I was at PCC. I was an Arminian then. Now I believe the Bible: man's will is in bondage and he cannot even think to choose God. I think they need a little less Mullenix and a little more Edwards.
wallbej 1 year ago 163
@wallbej We need less Calvin and more Jesus. Reformed theology takes intellectual acrobatics. I agree with J.Mac. It ends in a paradox.
1Atomtan 6 months ago
@1Atomtan You are right,the intellectual acrobatics you speak of are simply thinking,being as a berean as the Word calls us to do,we need to think,we dont need John Calvin at all,let's just read our Bibles and see if these things be so,and besides please help me understand where the paradox is,,God is Sovereign that's all there is to it,why would anyone want a free will and as a spiritually dead sinner,how can a dead man choose,and if he does choose,he will choose only according to his nature
bobcaldwellrocks 4 months ago
@bobcaldwellrocks The paradox: God would that " none " should perish and and yet God is sovereign. Reformers act as if God is less sovereign for allowing man to choose his own fate. There are so many passages that deal with this in the Bible. The only place I see an group of elect is where Abraham's descendants were elected to bring bring in the gospel and scripture. I can't find a single place where election has anything to do with salvation. Salvation is by grace, through faith. Not election
1Atomtan 4 months ago
@1Atomtan Context,Peter's letter's 2 Peter3:9 who were/are they addressed to?,the Bible says it's the Church,the Body of Christ,if God "would that none should perish"than none will perish,otherwise if He is unable to accomplish what He would(wills) He would not be Sovereign and therefore not God at all and he will share His Glory with no one,if you would like fell free to share some of the "many passages that deal with this"(from your response),nevertheless,I praise God together with you brother
bobcaldwellrocks 4 months ago
@1Atomtan Maybe you haven't read enough.
Jesus chose to destroy Sodom & Gomorrah rather than to do miracles there, knowing full well that if He did miracles, they would have repented.
1. Read Gen 19:24
2. Ask yourself who the 2 "Lords" are.
3. Read Matt 11:20-27
If that doesn't convince you, read that last line of v27 and me again how salvation has nothing to do with election. Want more? Read John 6 and think about it.
linearconcepts 1 month ago
@linearconcepts I'll get back to you on your provided scripture. BTW: I don't agree with a single way Pensacola Christian college operate their " business " or the testimony in their local community. This song is terrible also and no human is that sugary sweet. Christian or otherwise.
1Atomtan 1 month ago
@1Atomtan I know nothing about how Pensecola operates, so I can't comment on that.
My comments are aimed at this song and how its authors have either never read their whole Bibles, or have never tried to make sense of the very many passages that directly contradict this song. They're content to be cherry-picking. And that's not good.
That's why I offered those passages. They force us to deal with the implications of both Jesus' words AND His actions. ..and then apply His mindset.
linearconcepts 1 month ago
@linearconcepts But that is how PCC rolls. It's run by two old people with no children of their own who think the world can be turned back into 1955. As if 1955 humans were any different than 2011 humans.
1Atomtan 1 month ago 2
briancook007 loves to quote stuff!! this is the problem with christians--just quoting, quoting, quoting all day long--shit they've heard since birth--I know I used to be one. think for yourself--use that brain of yours--don't let anyone tell you what to think--i don't get this lamb to the slaughter mindset--it's crazy!!! this follow the bible crap has led to so much hate in this country--hatred of anything that is not like you--such a simple, pedestrian way of life!!!!
jasonweberplayz 1 year ago
@jasonweberplayz Sounds like you hate us....pot meet kettle
dawgbear06 1 year ago
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"...in the image of God created he him." God has a free will, He loved the man He created in His likeness so much that He gave man that free will as well. He knew man would take that free will and rebel against Himself, yet He did not want to make slaves of His creatures, He wanted to see man choose to love Him out of a free will. "only willing love is worth the price" that He paid on Calvary. Why on earth would Jesus sacrifice His life's blood, and then choose some to send to hell anyway?
thesullivankid2425 1 year ago
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@thesullivankid2425 What part of "all" in the Bible do people not understand??? He died for ALL!!!
thesullivankid2425 1 year ago
@thesullivankid2425 Norman Geisler and Ergun Caner would agree with you there...
APSOC38 1 year ago
this is hideous. What a sad attempt at defacing the sovereignty of God and His election. God isn't at the mercy of His creatures. His creatures cannot make Him a debtor. this is heartbreaking man centered garbage that is nowhere to be found in scripture. The Lion of Judah actually saves men; He doesn't make them "saveable." No man seeks God and no man can come unless God, from His own purposes, Wills Him to live again and repent and believe the gospel.
shockingalternative 1 year ago 7
and on top of everything, the soloist can't sing.
fecklessman 1 year ago
LMAO! Someone hasn't been reading their Bible. The god they worship is nothing more than their own autonomous "free" will. Talk about being a slave to one's self!
WaitingforChrist 1 year ago 4
LOLOLOLOL i am laughing so hard...LOLOL...thanks for posting this...LOLOL i am still laughing...geez...God owns cattle and controls planets, impressive...man has more freedom than God...OUCH! - someone was pissed off at Calvinism when they made this LOL, how obvious!
oh please, he said "incredible God"? what a joke! i hate this "enabler" god - who all he ever does is "know" stuff and beg. repulsive to God's holiness and what violence to SCRIPTURE! thanks for the humor :>)...got it LOL.
ReformedTheology5 1 year ago 3
HAHAHA!!! Jehovah Reigns! I think that is really funny. "Yes, or no....." Haha. How about "Only willing love is worth the price." How ridiculous.
tssadler 1 year ago 3
Wow what encouragement for this doctrine!
wow201010 1 year ago
Do they get free donuts?
wow201010 1 year ago
Is Tim Horton the pastor?
wow201010 1 year ago
That's a lot of people in an auditorium
wow201010 1 year ago
I may have heard of it
wow201010 1 year ago
Where is this colllege located?
wow201010 1 year ago
what's a whipperwill?
wow201010 1 year ago
Are they serious?
wow201010 1 year ago
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apparently yes. talk about worshiping your own ego. "I'll only do it if you say so." they're kidding, right?
florinu123 1 year ago
great words
wow201010 1 year ago
wow incredible song
wow201010 1 year ago
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paulfulks 1 year ago
"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"--George Whitefield
briancook007 1 year ago
"The fact that God asked man to reason with him shows that he is not going to arbitrarily deliver man and give to him blessings without man's consent. If the destiny of man is fixed, without regard to whether he accepts or rejects the provision made for him, then there would be no occasion for him to reason with the Lord. This for ever puts to silence the theory of predestination of every creature."--J.F. Rutherford, higher-up of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult, "Deliverance", p. 102
briancook007 1 year ago 2
"I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart."--Charles Spurgeon, five-point Calvinistic Baptist, "The Blood of the Everlasting Covenant"
briancook007 1 year ago
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P (perseverance of the saints [or, eternal security])--Jn. 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Heb. 13:5: "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." I Pet. 1:5: "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." II Pet. 1:9: "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."
briancook007 1 year ago
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I (irresistible [or, efficacious] grace)--Eze. 36:26-27: "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Acts 16:14: "Lydia,...which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."
briancook007 1 year ago
L (limited [or, definite] atonement)--Jn. 10:11, 15: "The good shepherd giveth his life for the SHEEP.....I lay down my life for the SHEEP." Rom. 8:32-33: "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for US ALL, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT? It is God that justifieth." Eph. 5:25: "Husbands, love your wives, EVEN AS Christ also loved the CHURCH, and gave himself for IT."
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U (unconditional election)--Acts 13:48: "And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Rom. 9:16-18: "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
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T (total depravity)--Isa. 1:5-6: "The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment." Jer. 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
briancook007 1 year ago
Isa. 64:6 (NKJV): "But we are all like an unclean [thing], And all our righteousnesses [are] like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away." Rom. 3:10-11 (NKJV): "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD."
briancook007 1 year ago
Jn. 6:65 (Berry): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless it be given to him from my Father." Jn. 6:65 (Young): "NO one IS ABLE to come unto me, if it may not have been given him from my Father." Jn. 6:65: (Comfort): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless it has been given to him from the Father."
briancook007 1 year ago
Jn. 6:44 (Berry): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him...." Jn. 6:44 (Young): "NO one IS ABLE to come unto me, if the Father who sent me may not draw him...." Jn. 6:44 (Comfort): "NO one IS ABLE to come to me unless the Father having sent me should draw him...."
briancook007 1 year ago
Jn. 3:27 (Berry): "A man IS ABLE to receive NOTHING unless it be given to him from the heaven." Jn. 3:27 (Young): "A man IS NOT ABLE to receive ANYTHING, if it may not have been given him from the heaven." Jn. 3:27 (Comfort): "A man IS NOT ABLE to receive ANYTHING unless it has been given to him from Heaven."
briancook007 1 year ago
Psa. 58:3 (NKJV): "The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." Eph. 2:3 (NKJV): "We...were BY NATURE children of wrath...." Jn. 6:44 (NKJV): "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." Jn. 6:65 (NKJV): "No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
briancook007 1 year ago
Job 15:14-16 (NKJV): "What [is] man, that he could be pure? And [he who is] born of a woman, that he could be righteous? If [God] puts no trust in His saints, And the heavens are not pure in His sight, How much less man, [who is] abominable and filthy, Who drinks iniquity like water!" Jn. 3:27 (NKJV): "A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven."
briancook007 1 year ago
Job 25:4-6 (NKJV): "How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure [who is] born of a woman? If even the moon does not shine, And the stars are not pure in His sight, How much less man, [who is] a maggot, And a son of man, [who is] a worm?"
briancook007 1 year ago
Gen. 6:5 (NKJV): "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every intent of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually." Gen. 8:21 (NKJV): "The imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth." Jer. 13:23 (NKJV): "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? [Then] may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil."
briancook007 1 year ago
Isa. 1:5-6 (NKJV): "The WHOLE head is sick, And the WHOLE heart faints. From the sole of the foot even to the head, [There is] NO soundness in it, [But] wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; They have not been closed or bound up, Or soothed with ointment." Jer. 17:9 (NKJV): "The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], And desperately wicked; Who can know it?"
briancook007 1 year ago
Job 23:13 (NKJV): "But He [is] unique, and who can make Him change? And [whatever] His soul desires, [that] He does." Psa. 135:6 (NKJV): "Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places." Dan. 4:35 (NKJV): 'All the inhabitants of the earth [are] reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And [among] the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand Or say to Him, "What have You done?"'
briancook007 1 year ago
choose or burn--that's the choice--that's not free will, that's fear! no one would choose to love anyone that said love me or i'll cook you in a really hot oven and your body will be covered in worms and you'll grind your teeth in pain--no one in their right mind would love that person! this is such unbelievable fantasy--you must also believe in santa claus--probably not, santa claus is more believeable than this crap! who in their right mind can believe this?
jasonweberplayz 1 year ago
ummm...what are they teaching down at this school? Here is God's (the bible's) perspective on the freedom that He gives us in 'choosing' Him.
"who were born (again), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, but of God. John 1:13"
ULOOOOZER 1 year ago 83
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@ULOOOOZER Calvinist? Well like many verses you misinterperet that one. That is referring to what God does when he saves you! When God saves you he gives you the Holy Spirit so when you are born you are no longer born of the will of man or the will of the flesh but of this will of the spirit. Paul speaks in Romans about the two natures the will of the flesh and the will of the spirit. Romans 7 and those wills are contrary one to the other.
ProphecyofNewLight 1 year ago
@ProphecyofNewLight Misguided Arminian? Remarkable... you articulate how antithetical the two wills are and yet you still believe it is the fleshly will of man that is the determining factor for faith in Christ. (Predictable) Here-in lies the essential difference between you and me: At night, I can lay my head on the pillow and thank God for the gift of my faith in Christ, for He is the AUTHOR and finisher of my faith...whereas you are in no position to thank Him for that gift. Very lamentable.
ULOOOOZER 1 year ago 10
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@ULOOOOZER wow your a cult leader who believes that your god makes people sin then punishes them for the sin he made them do then you use circular thinking to say your god can do that because he is god. Might as well serve allah. He is the giver of salvation and the only one who gives salvation the author and finisher of our faith but he has made a convenant look that wrd up in prayer
ProphecyofNewLight 1 year ago
@ProphecyofNewLight If this is your way of defending this video and its heretical theology, then you have failed miserably. (expected) You play the part perfectly of the disgruntled man's response to the sovereignty of God found in Romans 9:20. It's hard in your pride to let God be God isn't it?
ULOOOOZER 1 year ago 27
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@ULOOOOZER No sir you believe your the elect. Who told you your the elect anyway? You didn't have a vision from God and he did not speak to you in a dream so why are you the elect? Your not the pre selected as you think you are just a proud sinner who is still sinning and has a religion to back his sin up because Spurgeon the tobacco pipe smoking false prophet put calvinism over the bible he said if calvinism is not true the bible is false that is a heretic! explain 1 John 2:22 calvinist?
ProphecyofNewLight 1 year ago
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@ProphecyofNewLight NO God is God and not what you make him either. Talk about heretic Jesus Christ died for all men taht is clear in the bible. God doesn't hate others and love you you were born a sinner wicked and reprobate like the rest of us and he is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance he said if I be lifted up I should draw all men unto me. Also you so misquote Romans 9:20 Just like Peter spoke about in 2 Peter 3:16. Solomon and Saul were chosen by God
ProphecyofNewLight 1 year ago
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@ULOOOOZER Are you saying that we are God's puppets? Does this mean the man who leaves his wife had no choice in the matter? What about the husband who abuses his wife, the wife who abuses her child? The person who gets drunk and crashes his car into a family, killing them all? Does God also control and author these behaviors?
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f1loyal 1 year ago
@Wanetadawn wow... that was quite a leap from the Bible verse I quoted. If you believe that you are the author of your faith in Jesus, then congratulations are in order! You are clearly superior to those who don't possess your spiritual discernment. I personally prefer to give God the glory and thanks for the gift of my faith in Christ, for I believe He is the Author and finisher of my faith. Our 'free will' is exercised everyday in our sin...so I'll take full responsibility for my sin.
ULOOOOZER 1 year ago 24
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@ULOOOOZER I find your sarcastic putdown totally unexceptable, unkind, and non-Christian. Not only is the verse you referred to (and did not quote) not the only verse on the subject, the various comments on the song said God is in control of everything, so it was NOT clear that you all were speaking of salvation. Since when is a person to be mocked when they ask a question? I am interested in discussion, but you are obviously the wrong person to discusss it with.
Wanetadawn 1 year ago
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@Wanetadawn Seriously, I would like courteous discussion on this. The Bible says God would that all men (I assume that means women, too) were saved. That is obviously His will, why is in not happening? While it is true that God is soveriegn, how can He be completely in control of everything when such evil happens? Frankly, so much evil has happened in my life that it is NOT at all comforting for someone to tell me God is in control. What does that mean?
Wanetadawn 1 year ago
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@Wanetadawn continued: If God forced me and you to be saved and hardened Pharoah's heart, & sends those who haven't heard the Good News to Hell, does He also harden the hearts of abusers? James says God doesn't tempt anyone. How does that fit with God hardening Pharoah's heart? Did God also cause ULOOOOZER and others on this site to make nasty responses? I know no one can come to Christ unless the Spirit draws him/her. But does that wooing also force the person to accept Christ?
Wanetadawn 1 year ago
@ULOOOOZER You narrow-minded Calvinist! What about James 1:18? "In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures." hmm that's not what I meant..I meant Ephesians 2:8 and...wait no..I meant...Arminians stop fighting against the Word of G-d. Submit. You're no more special than I am if you are among the called. For by grace we have been saved through faith and this NOT of ourselves...Soli Deo Gloria
Raistlin49 1 year ago 2
@Raistlin49 I hear ya...It gets to be tough being as narrow-minded as John, Paul, Peter, James, Luke, Jesus, etc...but hey...at least I get the joy of thanking God for the gift of the faith I have in Christ. Great passage in James by the way...love it. God bless.
ULOOOOZER 1 year ago 8
Oh, I get it , this is satire.
bigbadwolff1 2 years ago
"There is no one righteous, not even one... no one who seeks God.... there is no one who does good, not even one." (Romans 3:10-12).
No one. NOT ONE seeks God. Seeking God to be saved would be a good thing, but "no one does good, not even one". God grants repentance (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25). Faith is a gift from God (Eph 2:8). Not from works. Seeking would be a work. Therefore those who are saved have been "made alive", enabled to cry out to the God who saved them through Christ.
neonpoet 2 years ago 3
Horrible theology. Typical of what they learned at that place.
Gumpa10 2 years ago 5
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i had tears all the way. the fact that YHWH asked me "do you want to come" and i said "yes" is greater proof than any calvinist doctrine. i am proud to call him father, not sadist, loving creator, not baby burner.
florinu123 2 years ago
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That's why the Apostle Paul said, as it is written, there is none righteous no not one, there is none who understand, there is none who seeks after God, they have all turn aside, they have together become unprofitable. There is none that doeth good no not one.
reyldeguz 2 years ago
Unregenerate man absolutely has a free will. By his very nature, man is free to sin & to make all the wrong choices. He is free to be a sinner. He is free to rebel against God. He is free to violate God's principles. He is free to violate the law. That's what free will is, the freedom to do wrong! ROMANS 3;10- 12
reyldeguz 2 years ago 13
Even if you choose Christ, it takes all the credit away from us. You see, we want to think that there's a little shred of goodness in us, that made us worthy of salvation. We'd like to think we're save because we were smart enough or spiritually enough or perceptive enough to make the right choice, we choose Him! But what did Jesus say, He said,
bentotcanada 1 year ago 21
"You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you." You see, my friend, you can't even take the credit from making the right choice! From start to finish, salvation is God's sovereign work in us according to the riches of His grace. Ephesians 1:4; 2Timothy 1:9
bentotcanada 1 year ago 86
@bentotcanada He spoke to Judas in that scripture as well. Are you saying He's saved too? Quit splitting up scripture to fit false doctrine.
THanks.
SpaceAboveSky 4 months ago
Mass Murder Timothy McVeigh's last words;
"It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul."
The fruit of leaving choice in the hands of the sinner rather than the Holy unchanging God.
RMCDisciple 2 years ago
free will the freedom to do wrong.
reyldeguz 2 years ago 4
Invictus in song.
RMCDisciple 2 years ago
One of the greatest themes and truths of God's Word? LOL, you gotta be kidding me!
Coyne1988 2 years ago
Doesn't this do too much for the Arminians? What happens to the idea that all things work together to the good of those who love God? Or how does God claim to govern the universe? I suppose he's not the Soverign King but the Grand Manipulator who has crystal ball fore-knowledge so He can mold things the way He wants it. Yet while claiming we're in charge, in reality He takes all the credit and claims absolute authority. We're more like Pavlov's dog! Total rubbish and unbiblical to the core!!
Paul1T2Day 2 years ago
Amen Paul! There heretical teaching is utterly God dishonoring and ridiculous. God bless you.
Blogrich55 2 years ago
that's horrifying....
rpavich 2 years ago
I would be embarrassed to have sung in that group and sung that song. PCC is a bunch of inbred homeschool children trying to pretend that they're being educated.
PandJBlackmon 2 years ago
scriptural basis?
schmidttwin 2 years ago
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wonderful song....wonderful singing!
revabw 2 years ago
Dr. Neal Jackson, former pastor of PCC, is a Calvinist. He quoted John Calvin on a television sermon and left the school a few weeks later.
mandemonic63 2 years ago
I think I just heard the apostle Paul roll over in his grave. He might have to resurrect early to write another epistle in response to this madness and bring Peter and John along with him.
AgApE010 2 years ago
So funny but true
Optera34 2 years ago
Heresy!
Optera34 2 years ago
what a joke. this is so unbiblical... so can I unchoose after I choose...
davidmcnight87 2 years ago
Or you could have said, "I guess since there will be no sin in heaven everyone will be without free will then."
neonpoet 2 years ago
ironic that anyone from pcc would sing about free will...jest saying ya know
pchagnon 2 years ago
Hearing things like this make me thank God He delivered me from such a twisted doctrine. Keep soteriology theocentric and biblical!! God chose us by His soverign authority! =)
Salamanderman117 2 years ago 3
It makes me proud to say that I had no part in my own salvation. If I had the slightest role it would never be enough. Only the perfect righteousness of Christ for me, thank you. I wish people would stop limiting God in such distorted ways.
mulder1glen 2 years ago 3
JOHN 1:13: who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God
ROMANS 9:15-16: I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
By the way, I used the NASB, the Bible Moses used!
mandemonic63 2 years ago 2
Actually, Moses wrote in KJV English! :P
AgApE010 2 years ago