Is YHVH a Trinity part1

[MrLJblood]

The "Catholic Fathers" didn't understand jack shit Carmine, they led you astray and now you're returning the favor. It's all the traditions of men, wake up you fool and read the Bible before it's too late.

[MrLJblood]

Let me answer the question posed by this video. God is not trinity. If you believe in trinity for your salvation you are not saved, YOU ARE DOOMED, for you have not believed in the MAN Jesus, the SON of the Father, the WORD of God, the ANOINTED (Christ) of the Holy Spirit. No, you have followed man-made philosophies and lead others astray with well-turned words that are in fact empty and void of all truth. Paul says those who believe in another Jesus are accursed.

[jamlimited3]

@MrLJblood If you believe anybody will ever take your filthy mouth serious then youre wrong. You are not fit to teach anyone anything....please sit down and shut up(and clean your foul mouth out with soap, Satan).

[CarmineFragione]

God condescended , descended down from the Highest Heaven. to be Jesus Christ. And Jesus had also the power to remember , or to forget. Jesus to be the Substitute for us, lowered himself from remembrance of God, to forget who he was and became as lost and lonely and bewildered and suffering and desperate and hopeless as the passion of ordinary men. God did this to show how completely is God our Father, that God also lived the exact same passion of His People, God has no limits at all.

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione God is not nor is He ever a tree, fire, animal or anything apart from the Tri-unity in which He has made Himself known. God is never Allah nor is He ever Baal. He is the Word but the Word refers to part of His ETERNAL tri-unity. He was born of a virgin but such referred only to a part of His ETERNAL Triunity(the Son). He is Spirit only in part of His ETERNAL tri-unity(Holy Spirit). Soul is not spirit yet I'm soul and body and spirit(one person). Im not nor ever a tree.

[CarmineFragione]

Jesus as God appearing on Earth , was actually Tempted , in the matter of choice between Good and Evil. God gave the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That power of Free Will is God's Sovereignty, that was before Life, that was before Death. There is not any existence, except that it is an express behavior out of the Mind of God, God makes one vessel for good , another for evil and destruction. God gives Free Will to man to choose which ultimate place in Eternity , Heaven or Hell

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione I think its fair to say that you are tackling many points that i too can expound on but realistically there is SOMETHING quite clear even you are not seeing now. For one, I have a channel with over one hundred videos with many who comment and there is no way I can comment on all of these and still operate a functional life in the Kingdom and the many other things life has for me. The fact that you would expound relentlessly into a maze far from the subject says much.

[CarmineFragione]

To say a human being is capable of any behavior that God cannot also behave in kind, is to place a limit upon God, Making God which type of behavior and not the other is to divide God without respect to God's Sovereignty over all things and all behaviors. God did deceive King Ahab of Israel with lying spirits God sent. So your appraisal of God as only the "Good" and what is not , is then not God, There is no other existence or power, other than God. God gave the Tree of Good and Evil.

[CarmineFragione]

God, who has no limits, materially or metaphysically, holds all possible behaviors to his desire and choice to undertake. God , as Paul taught us, is the same as Jesus who descended from Heaven and then being glorified in the sight of Israel , ascended into Heaven. God is not just "Life" God is also the "Death" God authored the "Good" God authored the "Evil" and gave Free Will to choose , as God has the choice, so God gave leave to man to have the choice. Jesus is God.

[CarmineFragione]

The Catholic Fathers understood that God , to be fully God, can both ascend into the Highest Heaven , which is a behavioral concept. God also, as God fully , can descend from Heaven to Earth and suffer as a mere mortal man, sharing our infirmities and sufferings, with the same experience and passion. God can Remember , and God can Forget our sins ? God can be Alive and God can be Dead. God can suffer without remembering Who God is, and thus take our place in this Passion. No Limits

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione With my last two comments stated I will have to exercise my moderate authority of my channel. I could go on forever discussing this with you but its not my job nor my will to make you believe...either the truth is something you will accept or it is something you will reject. My job is just to bring it to you. You know the scriptures quite well but its time you know the nature of the God and His unreligious Kingdom being referred to within it. Be blessed my friend.

[CarmineFragione]

Whatever God thinks to be, the Being of God is able to become that Person. God thought to be a Father. Deuteronomy 32:6 Moses says to the people " Is not God your Father ?" So, God can think to present Himself as Father, God is without limits in the Sovereignty of His Mind. God can think to be the Son ,and so God is the Son. God can think to be the Holy Spirit, showing a special behavior of Love, apart from all Judgment of Matter and Law, and God can then play the part of Holy Spirit.

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione God can think to be ONLY that which He is...God is not a deceiver in His thoughts. God IS, WAS, and WILL be THE(not a) Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and is THIS ONE PERSON comprised of THREE parts that are equally Him and ETERNAL(The Father-mind-soul of God on the throne, The Son-body-image of God who appears in the flesh even to Abraham, The Holy Spirit-emotions-spirit of God who is ALWAYS invisible). Our soul, body, and spirit is THEN understood in His LIKENESS.

[CarmineFragione]

@jamlimited3 God is not truly God unless God can condescend from His own Throne of Power. God tells us in Prophecy God is able to "Forget our sins" "Remember not " Thus, God is not fully God, unless God is totally free to condescend from any power entitled to the Glory of God. God came down from Heaven, And God became as a man, totally lost and afraid, and unable to remember who He is, and then experience the fallen estate of His own people. Jesus was able to forget He is God.

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione Your statement may sound right to you but scripture states "there is a way that seems right to a man but leads to death". Scripture doesnt support God being God "only if". YHVH is and is God even in name("I AM") and nature. FatherGod/Jesus/Holy Spirit never showed any sense of forgetfulness apart from sins. The contrary is true(Jesus showed infinite knowledge of past, present, and future events mentioned). In mind, flesh(though veiled), and spirit He was ALWAYS 100% God.

[CarmineFragione]

@jamlimited3 When Jesus was dying on the Cross, He recited out the scripture," My God , My God , why hast thou forsaken me" In this moment, Jesus was completely condescended from any sense of being God and God is able to completely forget Himself and become the lost soul, to be as the people, lost, afraid, dying, confused,without understanding, and consumed with sorrows and death. If God could not experience this, then some man could accuse God as unable to appreciate the Passion !

[jamlimited3]

@CarmineFragione Men accuse God still. God does not conform in His nature to appease ours....God is not even moved by need. Both men crucified with Jesus needed help but only ONE was helped...the humble one who used faith. The one who commanded Jesus on some "IF YOURE GOD THEN" only died in his error. If you lean on consistent facts more than English translation you'll note Jesus had the Holy Spirit and was God when He stated that to the Father for OUR benefit(because He is intelligent).

[CarmineFragione]

@jamlimi There is something fundamental that you do not get, The only Existence is God, there is nothing foreign to God, Death is yet part of the active portion of Life, which both conditions, are yet behaviors of God, Who was before Life ,Who was before Death. Jesus described death as "sleep" and not as something strange or opposite to God. God cannot be God until God can move through all experience and is Justified in the sight of Israel. God is Life and Death and all between.

[CarmineFragione]

@jamlimited3 God's Nature is Inclusive of all possible conditions apparent and required of our souls. God participates in the Life and Death of the People. God has no limits, God is not forced to sit on a Throne and behave as men expect or demand. God can appear as a man, as Jesus, God can lower himself down from all power and glory and forget who he is, and live the life common to our condition. For God is our Father, and the Father is not beyond carrying on as the Son, No Limits

[epic103]

There is no trinity!!!

The Father(Yahweh) alone is the true GOD!!!

Jesus taught that the Father is the LORD of heaven & earth and the true GOD!!!

There is no mention in the Bible of GOD being 3 separate persons(beings). It was always understood that GOD is 1 single supreme being,  NOT a trinity(3).

[jamlimited3]

@epic103 What you just called the trinity is FALSE and if I tell you that you are 3 separate persons I would be incorrect as well. However Jesus is GOD and He is NOT the Father. The Father is God and He is eternally the FATHER because the Son(who was BEFORE Abraham and the gospel of John says by Him all things were made). Remember Genesis? It said the Word was WITH God AND the Word WAS God. Same goes for the Holy Spirit. Now you have a soul, body, and spirit and ALL 3 make THE one YOU.

[epic103]

@jamlimited3

That made no sense!!!

All things were made by the Most High(Father). The Father is the Creator!!!

That's why Jesus calls the Father, the LORD of heaven & earth and the true GOD!!!

Jesus is the Son of the Highest,  NOT the Most High(Yahweh, Father).

Only the Father is called, "GOD the Father" or "GOD our Father." Nowhere in the Bible does it say GOD the Holy Spirit or GOD the Son!!! Those terms don't exist!!!

The GOD of Jesus is the only true GOD!!!

[jamlimited3]

@epic103 Concerning the Word that was WITH God AND was God who IS the SON(Jesus) who is creator of mankind and the ACTOR of every action the Father decides(thus if you seen Him you have seen the Father): The gospel of John (1:1-12). Jesus, the Son of God, is the Word that was WITH God and is God. Know who the Word is and know who God is...also know blaspheming the Spirit of the Lord will find you condemned forever. I know my 1 God and why I dont let my flesh LEAD though it is PART of me.

[jamlimited3]

@epic103 Also read the book of Revelation again(especially chapter 1 and 1:17-19). The ALPHA and the OMEGA is the same person who DIED and was RESURRECTED. RELIGIOUS "pharisees" cannot teach you the truth and power of the KINGDOM such as the "fishermen" God chooses. Its vital to have a revelation of who Jesus, the Spirit of the Lord, and the Father are. My soul is not my spirit but they are both me and I am 1 person (made in the likeness of THE God....YHVH, author of soul, body, and spirit).

[tomwduda]

@epic103 John 1 tells us that all things were made by the Lord Jesus Christ and that without Him nothing was made. If that does not put the Lord Jesus on an equal footing with God the Father i don't know what does. Also, Logic tells us that if there is a Father, there must also be other Persons of the Holy Trinity. Otherwise, we could simply call God GOD and be done with it.

[rafi77]

Deut 6:4 YAHVEH is one, JESUS said it HIMSELF in Mark 12:29 YAHVEH is one.

The trinity is a false doctrine created by Rome. The GOD of JESUS, the GOD of Israel is one GOD and not a trinity. The Messiah did not teach this. The trinity is a false doctrine created by demons blinding the spirit of man. It is written Isaiah 9:6-7, JESUS is YAHVEH GOD in the flesh.

The HOLY SPIRIT is YAHVEH GOD, 2 Corinthians 3:17. The FATHER is the HOLY SPIRIT YAHVEH GOD.

[jamlimited3]

@rafi77 I am ONE genius and so are you wise guy but you are still comprised of a soul that is NOT your body that is NOT your spirit yet all 3 are EQUALLY you and you are the 3 together and each one has a nature of its own HENCE it is WICKED when the flesh LEADS as such is not its purpose. Now lets me truly wise for a second...if someone rapes your body they raped YOU. If you marry a woman you marry ALL 3 parts of her HENCE you commit adultery when having sex with someone mentally. Rethink.

[rafi77]

@jamlimited3 It is written YAHVEH is ONE, Deut 6:4. The GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is ONE. The GOD of the JEWS is ONE and not a trinity of gods, personalities, identities or etc. The of GOD of JESUS is not a pletura, Mark 12:29.

It is written YAHVEH is ONE, HE is the word, John 1:1. The HOLY SPIRIT is Emannuel, GOD is with us. FATHER YAHVEH is the HOLY SPIRIT, and JESUS, HE is the GOD of Israel, the JEWS in human flesh and bone, HE is ONE and not 2 or 3. It is written James 2:19.

[jamlimited3]

@rafi77 If I tell you Im one yet a soul, spirit, and a body, what am I? 3? I may be made of 2 arms and 2 legs but my 2 arms are NOT my 2 legs and to say they are the same is to plead foolishness when they obviously support each other with DIFFERENT roles within my ONE body. The Father does not eternally exist without the eternal Son and they are NOT equal in authority/position but in submission to their very own god-nature(truth), they(with the Holy Spirit) are ONE person(the unchanging God).

[rafi77]

@jamlimited3 just as GOD is ONE, we are one and not three seperate parts. Where is it written about the FATHER not being eternal or equal to the Son? It is written the FATHER YAHVEH is a SPIRIT, GOD is a SPIRIT. It is written GOD is HOLY and HE is a SPIRIT, it is written YAHVEH the FATHER is a HOLY SPIRIT, the eternal HOLY SPIRIT.

[nextluther12]

It is true that God is a Trinity. However, we are not. I appriciate the willingness to defend the Trinity. But the defense, from a tri-parti-ism of human nature a shakey at best. However, pointing out that God qualifies Himself as one and asking why He would have to do that is a great question. I have not seen the rest of the vids. but I'll give this one 3 out of five stars. We need people defending the Trinity!

[jamlimited3]

@nextluther12 You are made out of soul, body, and spirit in likeness to God...so much so that if you pervert the order of these elements in so being led by your flesh then you commit treason of the sacred picture in which you are shaped. Obviously this isnt something you have considered so I would ask you to let the insight and wisdom of this benefit you and your understanding as to the why when it comes to these things. God's Word separates soul from spirit for a REASON.

[nextluther12]

@jamlimited3 In Genesis God breathed into man the and he became a living soul. There were two elements there--the clay and God's breth--two elements, not three. And I have studied this topic. Could please tell what is the functional difference between the soul and spirit?

[jamlimited3]

@nextluther12 First, know the Word indeed separates the two(and makes the point because of man's inability to do so w/o the wisdom of God). Hebrews 4:12 makes this claim and Paul takes the time to mention all three together(1 Thes 5:23). To understand the difference in soul and spirit is to understand the difference between the Father in the invisible realm and the fully invisible Holy Spirit as well as understanding the difference between the mind and the emotions and which has priority.

[nextluther12]

@jamlimited3 The Word makes a lot of seperations about man. Not everyone of them is intended to indicate a necessary component of the human. For instance the passage in Heb. makes a seperation joints and marrow. So given your logic man is Soul Spirit Joints and Marrow. Man is essentally two things Immiteral and material. Each of these has several aspects. Not every mention of an aspect is intended to draw the implications you are making. What is the functional difference between the soul and sp?

[jamlimited3]

@nextluther12 I do not care to debate if you cannot clearly see what has been revealed. I however UNDERSTAND why its wicked for creation to seek to rule over her head...i know why its wicked for the queen to rule over her king...I know why authority is sacred especially in the order of man's life...I know what Satan pictures...I know why its evil for flesh to seek rule over the mind...I even know why the heart is most deceitful as many confuse what they feel with what they should know.

[nextluther12]

@jamlimited3 But apperently you do not know the functional difference between the soul and spirit.

[nextluther12]

@jamlimited3 The verse in Hebrews is intended to tell you something about the Word. Not to make a comment on the necesary components of humanity. It is a Hebrew poetic way of saying that the Word can do the immpossible. And you need to answer my question: What is the functional difference between the Soul and the Spirit?

[jamlimited3]

@nextluther12 Secondly I would go to your reference in Genesis, which is a fair and honest reference, and I would point something out: God breathed the BREATHE of life into the clay and he became a living soul correct? Indeed BUT it is a fact that the Hebrew word for spirit, breathe, and wind are the same and any Bible concordance will show you that the very same "ruak" translated as spirit in other chapters is the word translated as breathe as the english translator found it more relevant.

[jamlimited3]

@nextluther12 Lastly I add that in the New testament Jesus breathes WHAT onto the Apostles? He did not breathe the Holy Breathe but He, Jesus who is the Son and physical image of God, breathed the Holy Spirit onto His Apostles just as He, being God, breathe the spirit of life into the clay creating a living soul. Soul and spirit are similar as water and air yet as different as they are as well. We better understand out tri-unity and the sacredness of authority when we understand the Trinity.

[betweendalions]

well sounds pretty good but do you know the trinity doctrine? It started in rome during the council of Nicea in 325 ad. the Nicene creed was made by the catholic church ordained the trinity. the belief was that Farther, Son, holy ghost was 1 essential person or homoousios. meaning that this would also mean that the son and holy ghost was eternal beings and not created. This theology originally came from a guy name Sabellius of Rome who said God had three faces 3 modes of 1 God person.

[jamlimited3]

@betweendalions Do you know the source of my confession of a Trinity? It has nothing to do with Nicea or the guy you mentioned....if that guy was never born it would change nothing concerning my confession. Satan has made many virgin birth goddess ever since God swore the seed of the woman would destroy him but that does not make the source of my belief in Jesus' virgin birth related to the work of Satan. The Bible and the wisdom of God found only in those of the Kingdom is my source.

[gooldie888]

Understanding the Scriptures. In Genesis 1 In the BEGINNING ELOHIM created the heavens & the earth. ELOHIM here is plural. Genesis 1:26 God said, “Let US make man in our image. Who is US if you say God & the angels, my question is can angels re-create? So what make's the "ELOHIM" If you go to John 1:1 In the BEGINNING was the Word, who is the "WORD" JESUS. Genesis 1:2 ...and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. The Father Jesus & the Spirit makes the ELOHIM in GENESIS 1. Now u know.

[upNyaBizznizz]

You are completely doctrinated by SATAN himself if you believe in his "Trinity". YAHWEH is not divided into 3 units. WHEN JESUS was on the crucifix, his brain, body, spirit and soul were each attached to him, Keeping JESUS alive for hours.

MEANWHILE, while Jesus hung on the cross, YAHWEH the One who CREATED his firstborn son Jesus was in Heaven with his brain, body, spirit and soul were each Attached to Himself, keeping Him ETERNAL FOREVER!

Where is the Trinity? There is no Trinity! THINK.

[passingthru29771]

pity the christians, trying really hard to convince themselves and save their religion. its like seeing a sinking boat, and the people in it are in denial

[jamlimited3]

@passingthru29771 You are so blind you still dont know the difference between a Kingdom and a Religion nor do you understand why Jesus chose fishermen and tax collectors all the while arguing with the religious leaders of His day who taught from the book He gave mankind. You are the one who must convince yourself for all you see is the cold dead and dry pharisees and the cold religions...that which is as cold and dead as you.

[buzzobug]

i see the Trinity in scripture. Just as Peter and Paul would write in scripture. they being Jews would know what they were saying and knew by saying so that they were putting their lives on the line and would cost them their lives. Why would they risk their lives if they thought it was not true.

[jamlimited3]

@buzzobug  Amen

[jhall38]

7. An effect of the trinity doctrine is confusion in prayer. Some don't realize that Jesus is the Almighty God & has the name above every name. They think that God the Father is a separate person.  He is not. Jesus is our Father. We should call on Him, giving Him all our praise. He is the First and the Last, the One Who made all things. Jesus is Higher than the Highest, the Great I Am, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. He is the Holy Spirit, the One Who has NEVER left us.

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 Last I demolish your whole argument, 1-7, in this 3rd reply: Jesus said words spoken against the Father would be forgiven BUT said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit however would never be forgiven and then He added for us not to speak against the Holy Spirit. You are confused. The Spirit of God is THE Holy Spirit and He is NOT the Father(but is the Spirit of the Father). Not understanding you are like one easily misled by your flesh and your heart unaware of who/what/why you are.

[jhall38]

6. The poetic awareness of triads in nature and in relationships does not in itself make good theology. There are many things that occur in threes. Three atoms in a molecule of water does not mean that there are 3 persons in the godhead, especially since the only Biblical reference to "Person" in the Bible, occuring in Hebrews 1 is singular, NOT plural. There is no plurality of persons in the godhead, according to the scripture. Better hermeneutic is to be silent where the scripture is silent.

[jhall38]

5, The trinity doctrine is actually pernicious. It is ultimately a rejection of the idea of the Incarnation. Trinitarians unwittingly perhaps buy into the idea that God the Father did not manifest Himself among us in the body of a man. They are tricked into believing it was only a made up "God the Son" came down and inhabited a man's body. When queried, they deny Jesus as Our Father and as the Holy Spirit in the church. Actually, NT believers called on the Spirit of Jesus as the Holy Ghost.

[jhall38]

5, Your language is very non-Biblical. You think there are many "people" in God? How unscriptural can you get? The effect of the trinity doctrine which states that "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are 3 persons who are of the same substance, the same eternity, and the same equality, "God the Son" proceeding from God the Father in an ETERNAL GENERATION. The language is highly speculative and philosophical. "Eternal generation" is an absurdity involving contradictory ideas.

[jhall38]

4. When believers call on Jesus, they do not merely call on the son of God, a man. If Jesus were only a man, He could not be our Savior. Isaiah says there is only one Savior and that God is the only Savior. There is in fact no one like Him. Jesus is God. He is also the son of God. Since He is God, Jesus is our Father. He is the same PERSON as the Father. He is the same PERSON as the Holy Spirit. In the godhead there is only one Person according to scripture (Hebrews 1: "His Divine Person")

[jhall38]

3. Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, He is God the Father. As the son of God, however, he said that the Father was GREATER. It is noteworthy that the 4th century trinity doctrine makes of "God the Son" (a pagan concept) an equality with God the Father. God does not relate to us as a son. He is no one's son. There is nothing in God that relates to men as their son. We NEVER pray, "Oh, my son!" We pray "Our Father" or "Oh Holy Spirit". Sonship is a quality of HUMANITY, not divinity.

[jhall38]

2. The trinity doctrine refers to non-Biblical beings like "God the Son". It is significant that the language of the 4th century trinity doctrine is not Biblical. There is no such thing as "God the Son". Rather, there is the "son of God", not the same. The one God, our Father Who is the Holy Spirit, made a MAN and put Himself in that man in His fulness. This is INCARNATION, not trinity. Jesus was God by virtue of God's Presence in Him as the Creator Spirit. He is man as the "son of God"

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 part 2. For the last time let me ask: Who in the Bible was before Abraham yet spoke in the time of 33AD on earth and if He was before Abraham and saw Satan fall from Heaven, is the Son of God, excepts worship, calls Himself the alpha and the omega in Revelation, walks on water, has complete authority over demons which asked if HE came to JUDGE THEM before the APPOINTED TIME, created all things, and also He excepted worship when the Apostles worshiped Him who then IS He? He IS God.

[jhall38]

@jamlimited3 Jesus was not merely the son of God. He was God Almighty by virtue of the Presence that fully inhabited Him. Yes, He was before Abraham. God is before us all. God is the Great I Am. As the only begotten son of God, he was the one born of the virgin Mary. The Incarnation happened in history. There is no such thng as an eternal incarnation. The son of God is not of the same eternity as God the Father. The son had a beginning. God didn't. Jesus is MORE than God's son.

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 Yes Jesus is more than God's Son...He is the IMAGE/body of God thus those who have seen Him have seen the Father for the Father is the Soul of God and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. God is not 3 different people no more than you are committing adultery with your wife when you marry her soul, body, and spirit but if you cannot acknowledge all three parts of her you are ignorant of her needs and neglect/pervert the love she requires. Likewise renew your mind.

[jhall38]

@jamlimited3 This all sounds very gnostic. Kabbalistic? Is this a god with a psychosis? The spirit of this god "belongs" to this god and can be "sent" away from the throne, suggesting a quality of the "spirit thing god posseses" of dislocation - it can travel, whereas the father "soul" part can't and is limited to the proximity of the throne. You make the son the body of this god to fit your tripartite scheme. This forces you to put the body of this god into eternity. Hence, no Incarnation.

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 Gnostic, kabbalist, Christian, Mormon...you dont sound consistent in your accusations. What tree am i? Grape-orange-strawberry tree or all in one?(such doesnt exist yet you are soul-body-and spirit and exist only as all 3) You are religious and my kingdom knowledge demolishes your argument. You swing like one who thinks the mighty dont need skill and experience to be a worthy swordsman. You are triune yet you dont even know why you mustnt let your flesh lead and what it pictures.

[jhall38]

1. There is ONE God. The Bible speaks of this one God as our Father. He relates to us this way because He has created us and loves us like a father loves his children. This one God, Our Father, is a Spirit. This means that He isn't limited to a body like you and I are. He is not a created spirit like angels and spirits of men either. He is the One Spirit Who created all things. So our Father is a Spirit. Hebrews 1 refers to His ONE person (the only reference to persons concerning God)...

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 Bet you dont know the difference between soul and spirit. God the Father is not a Spirit and does not show ANY of the traits of invisible spirit. Ruak is the same word for wind as they both are ever changing and coming and going just like the emotions. God the Father is a Soul and God the Father who LITERALLY sits on the LITERAL throne in a LITERAL heaven has a body and has a spirit just like I am a soul with a body and a spirit and for the last time, Im ONE person too! ^__^

[jhall38]

@jamlimited3 "God the Father is not a Spirit" contradicts scripture. Read In John 4 (KJV), Jesus is talking to a woman from Samaria:

(23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

(24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." God does not HAVE a Spirit. He IS a Spirit. He is the Holy Spirit. Holy as to character, Spirit as to nature.

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 The HS is ETERNAL(Gen1:2). The Father/Soul is ETERNAL as well and reigns on the thrown yet you dont agree that the Son/Body is Eternal(though YHVH doesnt exist w/o all of Himself). You subject God to our likeness instead of the other way around.

Yes you must worship the Father in those 2 things for they are the Spirit that leads you to the Word WHO leads you to the Father.

Yes God is the invisible Spirit who has a physical body too that appeared many times in the 1st Testament.

[jhall38]

@jamlimited3 Where does the Bible insinutate that God HAS or IS a soul? God is the Creator. "Made a living soul" suggests creation. God is the Living One but he doesn't "have existence" like you or me. He is the existence causer, not subject to any causation. The life of God is not like your or my life. "Made in his image" doesn't mean we are like HIm. Isn't there really NOTHING to compare with God? So "likeness" must not mean "something comparable". Your doctrine sounds MORMON. Is it?

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 You show the fruit of your tree...religion seems to be your power and it is every bit inferior to the Kingdom that Jesus preached(the one Adam lost). Like a Pharisee you cant see what is shown. Id ask where in the Bible does it say Jesus had teeth yet those of the Kingdom answer wisely. If you knew what a soul/mind was you'd know if God was/has one(I know but you dont know the answer). Armies are of government, not religion. Why not waste your time else where...you are swordless.

[jhall38]

@jamlimited3 "God the Father is not a Spirit and does not show ANY of the traits of invisible spirit." You've contradicted plain scripture and claim to have secret knowledge of "the traits of invisible spirit". This is gnosticism. You think the Holy Ghost is "ever changing and coming and going just like the emotions"? That's false. The Holy Ghost does not change. "God the Father is a Soul"? Huh? God does not have a body like men. That's why he MADE A BODY in which to dwell, Jesus' body.

[jamlimited3]

@jhall38 Thank you for telling me I contradict scripture only to show me scripture I agree with yet you dont understand by your statement. You who cannot discern how sharp the Word is which separates soul and spirit(something you cant do). John 3:8-10 should assist you in that. I bet you are of those who think the breathe of life, called spirit, is the same word as wind in Hebrew for nothing. Words and names are meant to MEAN something...God is invisible only in one aspect as we are also.

[rock1020]

Satan doesn't hate the Trinity doctrine, he invented it and he loves his deception.

[jamlimited3]

@rock1020 No, triunity is fact and without it you have no soul nor a spirit NOR do you know the order in which to be led by your 3 parts for you are just flesh and you are led by your flesh and misled by your emotions and have no clue where your mind should be. You have no insight on the godliness of romance between a man and a woman and you see no redemptive nature within but only a loose parable Jesus made up after HE discovered sex among men...you have no insight on the Kingdom of Life.

[jamlimited3]

@rock1020 and for the record Jesus made everything and did it with purpose and excellence...He made man triune in His likeness and He made the order of our lives an act which represents His very nature of rthis is why we are food, air, and water...this is why their is father, mother and child...and this is why we are soul, body, and spirit and these things are NOT defined as seen in man...they are defined by the one who was and is the things apart from creations and our MERE likenesses.

[mfkfrsh]

Why God said he is is One, because still 2.2 billion poeple on earth believe that he is three in one of one in three, 800 million poeple believe He is many in one or one in many. Another 600 million pople believe that he is none not one.

[jamlimited3]

@mfkfrsh The world does not believe that God is three and if they do then you have three spouses when you marry one person for you must LEARN to LOVE that person's soul, body, and their spirit and those 3 things are 3 DIFFERENT parts that make the one person you love and if you deny one you pervert and fail in your marriage. Dont be quick to run left or right...the narrow road tkes much thinking and correcting daily forever and ever.

[gabbsdad]

So the Devil really hates it when people go into a Catholic Church and bow down to an image of Mary, the mother of God. The thing is Satan has got Christendom Worshipping a trinity, He then had is agents all but remove the divine name from his written word the Bible.( in the original writings it's recorded under inspiration 8000 times) Now most people don't know who god is. Satan is so clever, more people know about father Christmas than they do about Jehovah. Who's fault is that?

[jamlimited3]

@gabbsdad Religion nomatter how you present it is but one of Satan's many tricks. You can do your perfect religion while these lesser men do their paganized versions but guess what...pharisees and saducees go in the same basket. However the Kingdom of God is unreligious as life. Adam didnt lose a religion and a religion is not what the last chapters of Revelation depict...God made sex and sex is of life(a topic feared in religions)...armies are of governments not religions. First know this.

[1968denden]

Find a scripture where the word trinity is used. Thanks

[jamlimited3]

I wont find my name "Jamar" in the Bible...I guess that means God has nothing to do with me or maybe it means Im going to Hell? The name "Jesus" appears in the Bible but Jesus isnt a Jewish name and was never mentioned in the time of Yeshua....YET WISDOM reveals the complexity of terms, definitions, and communication.

Lets not insult/pervert the intelligence God has given...Jesus is Yeshua(Yeshua is a Hebrew name). Trinity is tri-unity(man IS soul, body, and spirit in the likeness of God).

[Goldenmean87]

Man is a soul composed of body and spirit. God breathed life into adam and he "became a living soul." Man doesnt HAVE a soul, he IS a soul. Man is a soul composed of TWO parts, body and spirit.  The body will pass away giving way to only the spirit. Therefore, the 3 part analogy is refuted.

[jamlimited3]

Man is not man w/o a spirit dude...no spirit and no man...thats a fact. No man has ever existed w/o HAVING and BEING a soul, body, and a spirit. To lean on one more than the other is to insult the importance of the other for IT to even be. The Father IS NOT w/o the Son even as men become fathers by having children. A soul does not have place in existence w/o having a body NO MORE than a body has place w/o a soul. Take away ANY part and you have only the parts remaining(not a man).

[Goldenmean87]

"Man is not man w/o a spirit dude...no spirit and no man...thats a fact." I agree, I never said otherwise. But can you explain to me what the difference is between a soul and a spirit?

[jamlimited3]

The difference between soul and spirit is the difference between water and air, emotions and mind, and also the aspect of God who sits on the throne whom's face cannot be seen by man vs the invisible aspect of God who does works on earth credited as the Spirit of the Lord. Water, though clear, is somewhat physical yet transparent(allowing one to sift through it like air). Air is invisible yet can be felt and identified. Man's soul is visibly similar to his body yet all spirit is invisible.

[jamlimited3]

Also men will resurrect with bodies like the angels(that cannot die). In this fallen world we witness the death of soul, body, and spirit but men seem to only be able to discern that the (fallen) body passes away. The truth is the spirit passes away too HENCE we're born AGAIN by the Spirit. The death of the soul is everlasting separation from God's goodness. Man is the LIKENESS of God...man IS soul, body, and spirit(1 Thes 5:23). Man and woman arent children...they are 3 parts of a whole.

[bandaidmafia]

I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, - Isaiah 45:5 (ESV)

Q: jamlimited3, which person in the Trinity is speaking here? Jesus? the Father? the holy Spirit?

[jamlimited3]

I am Jamar, and there is no other dude on earth just like me. Besides me there is no on else doing what I do for the Kingdom of God.  I minister the word and equip you with treasures of the Kingdom though you have no clue as to what I am and what we all are(hence our everlasting dilemma).

Q:bandaidmafia, which person in my tri-unity spoke here? My body? My soul? my spirit? Answer me with wisdom ad youll have access to a key to the Kingdom of God(3 letters).

[Goldenmean87]

Whose body talks? Whose life (soul) talks? Only the spirit is intelligent which is the mind. So the answer is that your spirit was talking, just like the Spirit of the Father. Your body/soul/spirit and trinity analogy is found nowhere in scripture. Christ is a concious individual; is your body? No. Is your body your son? No. There is no comparison to be made.

[jamlimited3]

Dude if my spirit is talking then in the case of GOD the part of God which spoke the scripture MENTIONED(which I was replying to) is the Holy Spirit(the mind portion of God and yes you are correct as am I). Such is how I show people what they refuse to see(using man to reveal truth of God). He was trying to be smart in saying God is one but even to you dude, if my spirit spoke then I(ME as in ONE person) spoke. My body is me...shoot my body and you shot me.

[jamlimited3]

Woman is made in the likeness of man so where is her penis? The relationship of man and woman is like that of God and mankind. To know the triunity of man that is mentioned especially by Paul is to compare man to God, not God to man. Man is created, God is Creator. To know father and son relationship you look to man as if it isnt a unique eternal aspect of God GRANTED to man through childbirth. The triunity of God defines ALL authoritative aspects of mankind, NOT the other way around.

[jamlimited3]

Lastly before I block you as I do to save time with wisdom(I answer MANY comments and have better things to do), I show this: Eve is called the Adam's helper. This role of hers is important to Adam as our role is important to Messiah. So what is the model of woman? Like I said ALL of mankind's definitions come from that/who it is modeled after. The Holy Spirit is called the Helper. Foolish reasoning would assume all women then are holy spirits. Dont be a fool...wisdom is rightly dividing.

[lamikes]

How do u get spirit, soul and body, and not just Spirit and Body. isn't the soul and spirit the same.

[jamlimited3]

No they are not the same. I forget the word for soul but the word for spirit is ruak which also means wind and thus spirit is compared to wind which is invisible. Jesus gave His spirit to the Lord aupon death("...into your hands..." He said speaking of His Father) yet we know He was to go into the center of the earth for 3 days. He told the thief they "this day" they would be in paradise yet scripture says He ministered to those who sinned back in the days of Noah according to Peter.

[jamlimited3]

Proper translation of genesis show that God breathed spirit/wind/breathe/ruak into Adam and he became a living "soul". Two different words were not made to represent one thing for no reason. Words have meaning hence the different names for God represent different attributes and titles He has yet soul and spirit have no meaning in representing the same thing because they arent. Paul often mentions all three and study reveals spirit is of the mind and soul of the emotions. Watch "Trinity Love".

[lamikes]

NO meaning!!! Are u saying that which God Almighty inspired man to write "have no meaning" you kiddin right? And by the way Paul that trinitarians so readily love to quote used that explanation to simply explain that which the TOUGH HEADS AND HARDENED HEARTS OF MAN couldn't fathom. In fact it takes God himself to reveal these things to man. I love reasoning with you still, RESPECT.

[jamlimited3]

Religious terms mean nothing. Trinitarian is as powerless as the word Christian and I embrace neither word and its religious implication. I am a child of God...a believer justified in the Kingdom of Life. I am a trinity and there is NO WAY around that fact(soul, body, and spirit). God is a TRINITY and there is NO way around that fact. ANYTHING that reflects this sacred model of triunity is either designed by God or mimics His intelligent sacred design such as time(past,present,future).

[jamlimited3]

Your easily misled conclusions testifies to your lack of wits...I didnt say God's name or His creation of a world of words have no meaning...I said they ALL have meaning but the meaning behind the revered named passed on to us through those who held it sacred in the form of YHVH is unknown to us. What we dont know or see still has right and way of existence. YHVH more than likely testifies the everlasting person or word that was with a person and is a person named I AM.

[jamlimited3]

@lamikes The Word of God is so sharp it separates bone from marrow and soul from spirit...thats scripture dude. Soul is not spirit as much as water is not air. Goats and sheep arent the same neither are weeds and wheat the same. Pharisees of religion do not equate to the Apostles of the Kingdom. Rightly divide the word of truth to show yourself approved.

[lamikes]

Pronounce this, YHWH and based on the pronunciation tell me what language it is. PLease

[jamlimited3]

YHVH is the english letters used to represent the hebrew letters yod, hey, vav, and hey. These letters are used to represent the holy name of God and the proper pronunciation is said to be hidden from us in the lack of vowels which ARE needed for words to exist(every word has vowels). The language of God's name is of the god kind...its from God Himself before heaven and before earth ever was....it is before time and existence apart from the Word that was with God and is God...YHVH.

[RaptureOrTribulation]

Revelation 2:15 says nothing of Yeshua's feelings towards the trinity. It only states his hate for the doctrines of the NICOLAITANES which never states anything of the trinity. The Trinity is the bases of our being. We have the creator(Yahweh) who is the father of all. We have the son of GOD(Yeshua) who was GOD in the flesh and gives us our salvation and we have the Holy Spirit of GOD that fills us believers to give us his spirit to allow us to express his word and good will to others.

[RaptureOrTribulation]

Without any part of the 3 in the trinity, we could not have our future salvation nor even exist. We worship our Lord GOD and he has asked us to take his son and accept him as he and in many scriptures has indicated that Yeshua was actually GOD in the flesh. His Holy Spirit is a part of him. To not worship the trinity, you are not worshiping our Lord GOD. All 3 are that important!

[jamlimited3]

Do not spam my pages with 8 comments an expect me to respond like a fool. Do you not know there is limit to comments? Should I waste all of mine being a parrot to a book you own and scriptures you should know? Rather I speak as Yeshua, referencing scriptures and those with ears to hear can hear and those who seek affirmation will can get the quote/reference(chapter and verse didnt even exist then and none of Paul's quotes were word for word aka "parrot").

[jamlimited3]

Youa re fool wo cannot conceive the things of God if you think for one second that those who truly know God repeat scripture like parrots that cannot even rightly divide His word. If you cannot match up the things I speak with the word of God, I can do such for you, and then reveal your lack of knowledge as you could not but only can waste time repeating scriptures that should be known if you claim to know the word and such is whom I speak to(people who claim to know the word).

[jamlimited3]

Hahahahaha dude you are silly. WHo is the Spirit of the Lord? Is itYHVH? THATS ONE PART. Who is the ANgel of the Lord who walked as God in the flesh on earth since the very beginning? Is it YHVH? THATS TWO. Who is the Father that is seated on the throne in heaven PERIOD. IS IT YHVH? THATS THREE! YOU WILL NOT FIND GOD IN ANY OTHER FORMS IN SCRIPTURE PERIOD. ARE YOU A SPIRIT? Thats one. ARE YOU A BODY? Thats two. ARE YOU A SOUL? Thats three. Kindergarten man...kindergarten.

[gram914]

God is ONE God. God, His Word ( His Word a part of God) made flesh for a short time and His Holy Spirit, again, a part of God. Neither my spirit nor my words are seperate entities from me and they aren't with God. Three people all the ONE God NO, It is three parts of the ONE God.

[jamlimited3]

Amen. God has 3 parts but is ONE person...if He were 3 He would be triple minded and unstable but He is as you say, One and of 3 parts and we too are one of 3 parts. Its sad that we must look at this profound truth that should be taught loud and clear tot he point of everyone understanding it...yet the fact that its veiled is proof Satan hates the trinity and the power of the mind renewed to it. Soul, body, and spirit beings are beings of authority who should understand authority and God.

[cyberpunkmonk]

i praise YHWH for your insight and for your commitment to revealing the wisdom keys you do! May Abba bless you and keep you and make His Face to shine upon you and be gracious to you may the Lord lift His countenance upon you and give you shalom in Yeshua! i love you with the love of the Lord. Keep running this marathon and never give up!!

[jamlimited3]

Thank you and amen!

[jonbob100]

brother- i'm struggling to understand what this symbol has to do with trinity. it is usually used for believers in a duality, comibing 2 forces, ect.

[jamlimited3]

Im only personally convinced that this star of David that is so easily recognized in representing the chosen people and the kingly tribe and throne is, like all creations of the Lord, full of meaning. I've found it to be more than the obvious duality(2 triangles) but rather a star of 3 shapes(2 being visible and one being invisible so to speak). Each part has 3 parts testifying just as the body itself has a heart testifying of soul/emotion and brain testifying of mind/spirit. ^__^

[jamlimited3]

Its open to interpretation but thats what I believe after seeking understanding...think of 2 opposing natures that make a 3rd and triune being/nature. This is similar to spirit breathed into dirt to create a living soul. Its quite complex yet it testifies...I can see the testimony and Im just longing to have a better grasp of it. Also it is sevenfold as someone pointed out there is a seventh point unseen in the middle which I agree. If any disagree know at least it has 7 faces. Shalom!

[Yeshua777]

Amen. YHVH FATHER YHVH SON YHVH SPIRIT - YHVH(EHAD COMPOUND UNITY)

THE FATHER MATERIALISED IN YESHUA A MAN,

THE SON HAS THE SPIRIT WHICH CAME FROM THE FATHER,

THE SPIRIT CREATED ALL THINGS AND IS THEM.

HALLELUYAH!!

Bless you bless you bless you bless you bless you,

Good Shabbos,

Elisheva - the Sunflower!

Thank you for all you do!

[jamlimited3]

Amen amen! Thank you so very much and the Lord bless you as well! ^__^

[2pacOG]

Good job Jamlimited3, thats was good bro, god bless you and peace be with you.

[tonyschmoeredux]

All the insight one needs to teach the doctrine of the trinity is to read the creed of Athanasius. It's all right there.

[jamlimited3]

Actually I looked into what you said and I must disagree...that ancient creed though seemingly well intended is the example of what I speak of when I say "those who hold to the trinity but have not entered into the growing revelation that comes from it" hence Satan hates trinity from the insight and understanding one CAN walk in with the knowledge. That creed uses many words but ultimately ADDS little understand beyond saying all 3 parts are God(its from the DARK ages after all).

[DaddyOjavenjack]

Three? I thought there was seven Spirits of God in revalations. I dont call myself or anyone else a trinity. We are, but if we call each other by our name, why dont we do the same with God? food for thought

[jamlimited3]

Of course no one says "Hey god." to their fellow man or "Hey trinity." to one another. Im not suggesting it either but I am suggesting that we SHINE this light of PROFOUND truth into the dark world...even the secular world that acknowledges mind and emotions but cannot discern between spirit and soul and will not confess the existence of spiritual things(having no clue it testifies of our Creator). The Spirit of God HIMSELF is sevenfold(Isaiah 11:2) as Messiah has/is a BODY with many members.

[GospoJazz]

Excellent, Bro Jamar! Most Excellent my brother. It's time that we understand who God is. In order to understand God in His fullness, you must first understand that He is Trinity.

[nlspears02]

Very good video brother. As Shai Linne says in his song Triune Praise:

Glory to the Father, Glory to the Son,

Glory to The Spirit- Three and Yet One

One in Your essence, Three in Your Person

The same in Your nature, distinct in Your working

Oh my soul- behold the wonder of the Trinity

Blessed be the Trinity, Oh, what a mystery!

Ill stand amazed for the rest of my days

Pouring out my heart in Triune praise

[jamlimited3]

Haha yeah I know that one! Amen amen!