Israel-Palestine Debate on Meet The Press with Jeffrey Goldberg (Part 2)

[remo306]

To all those who declare Zionism as racism how do you explain the many arabs in posts in the Israeli government? How do you explain the 3 arab generals in the IDF? How do you explain the numerous arab members of the Knesset, many of whom are ANTI-ISRAEL? And then how do you corroborate this declaration of racism when jews aren't even allowed to be citizens in Jordan and other arab countries?

[toohnooch]

fateh can't speak in behalf of palestianians, & any agreement signed with fateh won't bring peace cause fateh is under the domination of usa arabs and israel too it has no cards, weaking hamas is for imosing so called "peace " -submition- there won't be no useful negociation even if hamas submits cause israel has an interest in chaos and instability ruther than the true peace so it could get more financial political etc support to prostitute more é more 4 usa which muslims considers colonisers

[kelema2011]

No way can Iran be allowed to become a nuclear power. The entire country is made up of fanatical and insane people.

[Deyabil]

@kelema2011

well who the fuck are you to decide who can and cannot have weapons?

[ParamoreWorshipper]

@Deyabil

Common sense.

[asafpipman]

a couple of typos, sorry about that..

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename women are beaten at the wall?! what?! oh my god. stop it, just stop it.

i'm a worthless human being?!

we are comparing a country that calls out for peace constantly! people that have been defending themselves for 60 years, that have returned lands to neighboring countries for peace, to people who flew to planes into two buildings because people at those buildings dont call their gad the same as the people flying the planes! tell me that was just, so I could stop arguing with u.

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename is spew hatefull propaganda and racists remarks. you think calling me a jew insults me? you would only be so lucky as to be a jew, maybe then you'll try to find out the facts before repeating hatred.

btw, aside from renting filth I was wandering if you could be a man and actually answer some of my points. I realize that might be hard for you since you have little desire to actually debate, more desire just to yell and scream..

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename I did say "but, for the sake of argument assume it is" so as far as answering your claims, I did.

when you say women are taught to stay at home and be brood mares, who are you talking about? not Israel. women here are free to do whatever they want. only the most religious people teach that women should stay home, and they are so so few. and even then the women are under no threat to do so. and whoever breaks the law gets punished.

how do you know how ppl live here? all you do

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename just to make myself clear, I'm not saying Iran blew those up. they didnt. Taliban did. I'm saying that is the kind of tolerance you can expect from extreme muslim organization like taliban , Hizbulla, Hamas, or the crazy people in control of Iran.

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename thats just throwing unfounded accusations into the mix. who is Israel selling nuclear weapons to? where did you hear this? rubbish.

but, for the sake of argument assume it is. how can you possibly compare it to supplying arms to an organization like Hizbullah. Hizbullah will kill you for not believing in the same god as they do, for shaving your beard, for allowing women to vote. .

also, in Israel all citizens are equal! I'm not saying there arent injustices but those are openly

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename condemned by the government and by the people. Israeli society incureges equal rights, civil rights, women rights, gay rights etc.. can you say the same about almost any arab country? muslim country? no.

In israel at the very least we try to fix our wrongs. we try to give muslim, christians or any other believes a place of respect and allow them to practice it freely.

can you say this about arab countries? Iran? no. we did not blow a 1600 year old budhaa statue here. they did.

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename I have to say, while I dont believe Iran will openly attack Israel with nuclear weapons, simply because they dont have the firepower to match and they know this, I do believe they will gladly give nuclear devices to very extreme groups worldwide.

can you imagine how many innocent lives would be lost if Iraki militants blew these up in a marketplace?

and Iran would not even care. they are all martyrs so its ok to blow them up if you kill a non believer. A+ for religion btw..

[asafpipman]

@justonemorename The answer is simple. Israel can have all these things because every espect of its government is supervised and restricted by another. the military answers to the government and supreme court , the parliament to the court system etc.

Iran on the other hand has a mostly puppet president who will do whatever Khāmene’i tells him. that means that is one single person says so, Iran will launch a nuclear strike. also, Israel does not call for the destruction of other nations.

[robnaro]

wow, that was a waste of time to watch

[GodisHEM]

ISRAEL KILLED US in Iraq. they took our youth out of the country to kill them. They are running and starting their businesses now that they own Iraq with a few fronts

I have security friends working in Iraq they saw this. You cannot keep protecting murderes, now Obama has to make certain to see that they are not claiming another war to take Iran again

The hostages are key, the new hostages are AGAIN jewish

THEN IN 1979 AND NOW AGAIN

[123zero123abc123]

fuck nazi isreal fucking dogs

[61zeleka61]

Israel commits genocide in Palestine.

With the help of the Zionists AMERICANS

[ChurchandHate]

@61zeleka61 Israel defends itself against the most hateful ideology in the world: Islam

[gmihut]

This is a HOLLY WAR man.

[NEKO2BOT]

At about the same time as Israel was murdering American sailors in cold-blood it was executing Egyptian prisoners of war in exactly the same way that German SS troops had executed Jewish Communists in Poland and the Ukraine.

Zionist Jews have used false-flag attacks both as military and terrorist operation to blame other groups for longer than Israel has existed.

Learn the truth about Israel and learn why the earth wants to end Zionism and stop Israeli terror.

[NEKO2BOT]

In 1967 Israel planned and carried out an attack on a US naval ship called the USS Liberty.

The Zionist Jews who planned and carried out the murderous attack were attempting to set the stage so the Americans would blame the Egyptians.

The Israelis tried to first knock out the radio equipment and prevent the sailors from identifiying Israelis as the attackers then they tried to kill every American on board/

The American sailors reported that Israel fired on life boats.

[NEKO2BOT]

Zionist false-flag operation 1946 Zionist Jews dress as Arabs attack King David Hotel kill British in an attempt to pit the British against the Palestinians.

Zionist false-flag operation 1950 Zionist Jews dress as Arabs in Iraq plant a bomb in a synagogue kill Iraqi Jews in an attempt to make Iraqi Jews think that Jews are not welcome in Iraq and to drive them to Israel.

Zionist false-flag operation 1954 Zionist Jews planted bombs in American and British establishments in Egypt.

[TheConciseStatement]

I wish they'd give more time to Katy Kay - she gives the most reasoned responses.

[LeseMajeste]

Yes, Israel is such a 'peace' loving state.

That's why the IDF is on the border of Lebanon right now, making war like noises and AGAIN threatening to invade.

The only 'peace' Israel wants is:

A 'piece' of Syria; a 'piece' of Jordan; a 'piece' of Iraq; a 'piece' of Saudi Arabia; a 'piece' of Turkey; a 'piece' of Egypt; a 'piece' of Lebanon and whatever 'pieces' are left of Palestine after Apartheid Israel finishes its campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians.

[NEKO2BOT]

National politicians and the elite news people are always ten years or more behind the times.

The fact is that millions of Americans are starting to see Israel for what it really is. a racist Apartheid regime that hates Christians as much as it hates Muslims, only uses the US for its gain and is not a friend in any way.

8,500 progressive Israelis and American Jews condemn Israeli human rights abuses and the message is getting through.

American support of Israel is almost at an end.

[kidi1232]

in general i dont agree with you. but 1 thing bothers me - 8,500 jews are a tiny number - even for a tiny population as jews are (14 million in the world).

[NEKO2BOT]

@kidi1232:

The important point is that they are well-educated, well-informed, high-profile Jews who have studied the details of Israeli racism and who risk their careers to speak out against Israeli war-crimes.

There are 1.3 billion Muslims but you don't find 8.5k ready to defend Israeli Apartheid.

Basically, smart, moral Jews condemn the hate that Zionism and Israel represent.

Thank you for your support.

[kidi1232]

Einstein was a zionist, oops - the "educated people will not support zionism and israel is gone kaput!".

actually, zionism was a cause of antisemitism only in the last 100 years.

but anti-semitism existed thousands of years before that. the biggest generator of anti-semitism in the history of the jews are the jews.

[NEKO2BOT]

@kidi1232:

You are going to have to put more thought in your comments because you are starting to sound like an anit-Zionist and and anti-Semite.

You just claimed or admitted, not sure which is a better description, that Jews have been responsible for anti-Semitism!

Wow, I would not say that.

Einstein was not really a Zionist. He actually compared Israeli policy to Nazi Germany's but I guess you don't know that.

Einstein did not want to even live in Israel.

[kidi1232]

yes, i said that the jews are the biggest cause for antisemitism - because apparently - no matter what they do - they will be hated for it - jews are hate magnets.

about einstein - he was a zionist, he done alot to establish israel (he rejected the idea to give half of the british mandate to the palastinians after they already got jorden.). he was even offered to be the 2nd president of israel - but he preferred to keep a scientific life over political.

[TheTollundWoman]

@NEKO2BOT

Einstein supported the creation of a Jewish state, however he did disapprove of the way the Irgun was going about getting it

[NEKO2BOT]

@kidi1232:

Another interesting statistic is that only about 1/3 of the worlds Jews buy into Zionism enough to actually live in the land stolen from the Palestinians you call Israel.

The majority of American Jews have never even been to Israel and will never visit.

Now, that is a sad reality but shows how Zionism is a failed ideology.

Zionism is the biggest generator of anit--Semitism in the history of the Jews.

[robsage1]

@NEKO2BOT Lol you reject, how is Israel an apartheid regime when there are over a million arab muslims who live inside of Israel and have equal rights and a higher standard of living than muslims in their own countries. You make no sense.

Also millions of christians visit israel every yr and are welcomes with open arms, when arabs controlled jerusalem jews and christians were not allowed near their holy sites, how stupid r u?

[Bluefairy513]

@NEKO2BOT You may have a point but only because Israel may be a futile effort. The reason why it is futile is because the Islamic countries are so completely insane that they will never peacefully coexist with ANYONE. No more totalitarian barbaric and facsist regime than Islam exists And you call Israel an Aparthied regime? You are out of your mind!

[Metsada007]

Iran must do EVERYTHING it can to build nuclear weapons as soon as possible. These filthy Crusaders and Zionists only understand the language of violence.

[fektubeaccount]

(America re the real evil does)

[indians4bobbyjindal]

Look I am for the afghanistan war, and i initially was for Iraq b/c trust me I had relatives in Iraq that lived under Sadam and know how bad he was and especially his son who raped one of my friends 3rd cousin on her wedding day, but if I knew how bad they managed the war the first couple of years I would have been against it, although it is a lot better now. As far Israel they have way too much control over our foreign policy and it needs to stop.

[indians4bobbyjindal]

3 generations ago my family was Iraqi, and I have relatives there, also many christian friends in the usa who was kicked out of iraq by sadam in 93. Im not saying I support the war, all im saying is that I wish sadam had been taken out but in a more peaceful way, b/c any dictator like that doesnt deserve to exist. My apologies on behalf of my country that you dont get water and all, but just know that most americans genuinly want you to have abetter life, and thats why we supported it initly.

[TheTollundWoman]

@indians4bobbyjindal

I agree, regardless of whether invading Iraq was the best way to depose Hussein, I'm definitely glad he's out of power now. A lot of Americans seem to have forgotten how horrible a ruler he was. He used chemical weapons on his own people! This is a crime against humanity. Iraq- and the whole world- is a much, much better place without him

[TheTollundWoman]

@MonsterIsrael

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2 was an active and outspoken supporter of the Nazis. He befriended Himmler and raised a Muslim regiment of the SS. The majority of Palestinians at that time considered him a hero. SHAME

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

If you want to comment about history make sure you mention that Israelis murdered other Jews in Iraq in 1950 in an attempt to frighten Iraqi Jews into fleeing to Israel.

Make sure you mention the Israel attack on American property as part of the Lavon Affair.

Make sure you mention that both were false-flag operations where the cowardly Israeli Jews tried to make the violent attacks look like the work of other to blame them.

Zionism is fundmentally evil.

[TheTollundWoman]

@NEKO2BOT

I am quite curious as to why you believe Zionism is "fundamentally evil."

What is "evil" about seeking self-determination for your people, returning to a country your ancestors were wrongly forced out of, and defending your rights in the face of bigotry? What is "evil" about resisting persecution, defying oppression and fighting for your basic human rights? Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. It is not "evil", it is the opposite.

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

Are you really curious or is that a figure of speech?

If you want a serious debate on Zionism you are going to have to go out and read a real history book not accept and repeat an Israeli grade school definition for the ideology.

You can start with the book "The Case Against Israel" by Professor Micheal Neumann.

Yes, he is Jewish. Yes he was a Zionist.

He is one of the more than 8,500 well-educated Jews who reject Zionism as a racist and dangerous ideology.

[TheTollundWoman]

@NEKO2BOT

I am indeed curious. You'll be relieved to know that I haven't been reading "Israeli grade school" books, however I don't understand how an ideology based on the simple desire for self-determination could be irreversibly "racist and dangerous" in nature.

I'll try to find a copy of the books you mentioned...

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

In "The Case Against Israel" Jewish professor Micheal Neumann refers to document after document from the earliest days Zionism to prove that the intention from the beginning was to "ethnically-cleanse" Palestine of its Arab population.

The Zionist historian Benny Morris argues that Israelis should admit to ethnic-cleansing and simply say it was necessary to force the Palestinians out of their homes to create a nation for Jews.

Read Israeli prof. Illan Pappe.

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

You mentioned "rights", do you know that Israel has no constitution?

The Israeli experts on his issue say that Israel does not want to create a constitution while there are Arabs on what they consider Jewish soil.

The Jews donot want to give equal rights to Arab Christians and Arab Muslims and do not want to be the focus of international scorn for writing a constitution that institutionalizes racism more than current policy already does.

This is a fact.

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

I am not sure what you think fascism is but Israel is as much of a fascist state as any we have seen in the history of the world.

Israel is not a democracy just as the US was not a democracy until African Americans were allowed to vote.

Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza for over 40 years and it is by all measures part of Israel yet the the Jews refuse to allow Palestinians the right to vote.

Israeli Jews living in New York and Miami can vote of course.

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

Your challenge was to prove that Israel is a racist entity.

Here is a quote for you.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."

Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

Zionism is pure racist evil and Israel is the best example of fascism you can find in the world now and for all time.

You have to shake off the propaganda and read the facts.

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

Do you know who Professor Shlomo Sand is?

He has published a book recently called "The invention of the Jewish People."

He reminds us that no historian will dare talk about a Roman exile of anyone you might call a Jew from Palestine 2,000 years ago because it did not happen.

The Romans did not exile anyone, anywhere for any reason. Why move a problem from one place to another?

You need to read real history and forget your myths.

[TheTollundWoman]

@NEKO2BOT

Israel has never attacked Iraq or any of its citizens. Regarding "attempts to frighten Iraqi Jews to flee to Israel" I suggest you do some research about the Farhud pogrom in Baghdad in June 1941, which was preceded by years of collaboration between extreme Arab Nationalists, and "National Socialists" working through the German (by that point, Nazi) embassy.

As for "cowardly", Hamas bombing Israeli kindergartens is a bit "cowardly" too, don't you think?

[NEKO2BOT]

@TheTollundWoman:

Again, if you want to have serious debate about Israel you have to read real history.

You will not be taken seriously is you claim that Israel did not attack Iraq.

Israel attacked Iraq in 1981 killing civilians.

This was a terrorist attack since the definition of terrorism is the use of violence or threat of violence against a civilian population for political or ideological ends.

Israel agents set off bombs in Iraqi synagogues in 1950.

[MonsterIsrael]

The way Nazi kill Jews same way Israeli systematically kill to the people in Gaza.For what? because Israeli can not kill Nazi in Germany that's why you take revenge against the people of Gaza who were not part of German Nazi . The History said Gaza people give Jews shelter to live as a guest but Israeli just took their home.What a return for welcoming Jews in Palastain when they were kick by German Nazi. Israeli action encourage people not to help and give shelter when they need it badly.

[KidDabura]

the way you paliis are growing, your lies keep up to

look hal lindsey about the myth called "palestinian" on youtube

watch?v=E6lg7PgbPHo

[Resistancetoday]

US killed 220.000 people in 3 days Japan, Israel has nuclear bombs, and we've seen its lack of respect for human life. So who is the threat to peace in the world? obviouly not Iran.

The bigest threat to the world is zionism.

[tonylee1973]

we killed over 300,000 over Dresden. Don't threaten Americans

[Resistancetoday]

That was Churchill's decition... I doubt that you had any part on that...you smel just like another zionist hidden bihind americanism and Judaism to spit out your cynicism.

[tonylee1973]

nonsense the sooner america gets away from israel the better off every american would be.

until pearl harbor 98%of americans wanted to stay out of ww2. (nonentanglement) then the warmongering tyrant got us into ww2.

Loneeagle

[indians4bobbyjindal]

Although killing is wrong, usa was attacked first, and japan at the time was a totalitarian govt, and there bases were hidden, after they dropped the bomb to defend themselves japan surrendered the next day, now japan is a prosperous and free country and one of the usa's closest allies. By the way the usa had paid billions to rebuild the areas which they bombed, which i thought was unnessary, b/c it was a war, and anyway they helped them.

[Nickalispicalis]

Such Hyprocrisy. What Country has Iran invaded ? Which is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons ? I can live with a Nuclear Iran far more easily then with the US & Israel.

[tonylee1973]

but can americans live with a nuclear iran?

[Nickalispicalis]

Why not ? We live with a nuclear Pakistan which is in far more precarious state then Iran. Believe me, if Iran does acquire Nuclear weapons, they will not so foolish to use them, as the know this would result in their instant annihiliation.

[tonylee1973]

i agree.

[tonylee1973]

what do you think netanyoo and obama is going to do? a clash has to come about

[aaronhallam61]

Zionism = terrorism

[Thenewholocaust]

If the US can make bombs then why can not Iran make it?

[polib2009]

LOOOOOOOOOL TYPICAL TERRORIST

[wimmyroadisback]

CIA agent?

[hornetobiker]

Yank, you are the terrorist.

[indians4bobbyjindal]

Frankly, no one trusts them with it. I dont know if you live in the usa, but Im sick of people livingi n the comforts of the usa i.e freedom democracy taking other countries

side. My muslim friend just yesterday told me that he thinks the taliban and the the united states are one in the same. Insanity man man, please leave the country and live under taliban rule then make that statment. there are some idiots who grow up here that have on idea what the world outside of the usa is.

[asafpipman]

@Thenewholocaust I commented an answer,in my opinion, to your question if you are interested.

just read the debate between justonemorename and I from the beginning..

[allahlovesmycock3]

@Thenewholocaust because iranians are full of shit just like pedophile cock sucking muhammad!

[remo306]

@Thenewholocaust Well it doesn't matter who has a "right" to make bombs (as if such a thing existed,) countries serve their own interests and Iran's nuclear aspirations are a threat to the West.

[ParamoreWorshipper]

@Thenewholocaust

Iran was given their nuclear material under the condition that it would be used for civilian purposes. They have also said that they seek to destroy Israel.