Dispelling the propaganda: Myth 4: Union soldiery was superior to Confederate soldiery

[TigerRifle1]

Being poorly led doesn't make you a poor soldier.

[buffalopatriot]

A lot of interesting and compelling view points here. Here's the bottom line - until we get every American male re-conditioned into holding the southern battle flag near to breast, we will always be slaves to international bankers, fifth columnists and communists who are passing themselves off as journalists, politicians and big-mouths. Oh, let me also say that I am a black guy who was taught by his father to love the CSA. Keep fighting the fight gentlemen because there in a new enemy afoot.

[wolfpax22]

@bucklee34 Different branches of my family come from the Isle of Man, England, Ireland, and possibly Germany. And, oh, I have some Cherokee in me too. It's not your ancestry that should determine how you are treated but your humanity. America is now not a country that is the sole property of a single ethnic or racial group. America is about liberty and justice for ALL, regardless of these things. America belongs to its citizens no matter how white, black, or brown they are or ever become.

[Mrhowdydoody1]

the longest lasting confederate military tradition was desertion.

[wolfpax22]

@bucklee34 Yee Haw! We'll have them yankees whipt in a month, Hyuck Hyuck!" Sounds familiar... And yeah, freedom and rights as long as you're white, protestant, and rich. "Less government" when government tells us to treat certain people decently. "Less taxes" when those taxes might benefit people of another color or cultural background. Yep that's what its all about.

[wolfpax22]

Oh... and your claims about southerners not having to be drafted are pure horse hockey. Conscription was used by both the north and the south during the war. And as the war went on, the amount of soldiers who deserted the Confederate army was astounding compared to the Union or any other army.

[wolfpax22]

Most of the "Lost Cause" pro-confederate propaganda (like this) focuses on the eastern theater of the war which was mainly fought in Virginia, occasionally spilling over into Maryland and PA. Bad intelligence in the eastern theater caused McClellan, Meade, etc. to always fight as if they were outnumbered when they weren't. In the west, the Union did much better, capturing New Orleans and securing the Mississippi river early in the War. When Grant came east, things got better for the Union there.

[Malscotay]

So much for dispelling propaganda.

You can't dispel propaganda by using your own propaganda.

Read the three posts below. No propaganda, no spin. As Sgt. Friday would say "just the facts."

[Malscotay]

From: civil war home.com The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates: Battle deaths: 110,070 Disease, etc.: 250,152 Total: 360,222 The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses: Battle deaths: 94,000 Disease, etc.: 164,000 Total: 258,000 The Union didn't have 10X the men or 10X the casualties. So how do you come up with the 10 to 1 figure in your video?

[Malscotay]

The civil war was, for the south, about slavery, it's protection where it existed, enforcement of the fugitive slave laws and it's expansion into the territories and any new states.

READ:

Lincoln's first and second inaugural addresses.

The Crittenden compromise

Virginia Gov. John Letcher's Conditions for Settlement

The Cornerstone Speech by A. H. Stephens

Declaration of Causes of Seceding States for Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina and Texas.

[Malscotay]

Southern soldiers didn't have to be drafted??? How about conscription?

The south began conscripting soldiers before the north started the draft. There was talk by some southern states of seceding from the south because they felt that Jefferson Davis had violated the constitution by implementing conscription. Even Vice President Stephens spoke out against it.

If you want to pretend to be an unbiased amateur historian you need to do better research before you post erroneous videos.

[bjkemp1]

You know when they have civil war re-enactments most of the people that participate are southern,like 4/5.Alot have to play the side of the union because thats how much people up north care about it.

[T8T3R]

It is amazing what can be accomplished when fighting for love of country.

[nomadak47]

The South definitely had better leadership which resulted in victories. Also a lot of immigrants were used by the north coming off the boats. Their hearts were not into it. Most battles were fought in the South therefore was familiarity with the land. Oh my, what if the South would have won! How many Americans would have been spared for the sake of empire then and even today.

My Lord, have mercy on us!!

[mobilechief]

Dam ya fight fight harder in your back yard than you would in anothers! C.S.A. All the way!

[SCV1525ColorSarg]

Bravo! This is all Southern Facts! Not Union Fiction! Member of SCV Camp #1525, SWCWA, and ACWC. Keep up the good work, spreading the TRUTH!

Deo Vindice!

[m16isdabest]

circlecityrabbit 2004 dude dude.......this really pisses me off 1) when u say the south had to fight they add no choice thats bull they made that choice when they fired on fort sumter 2) the union was way way way better than the confederate army long live the union

[Southernjuggalo63]

@m16isdabest well lets see fort sumter was in a state that seceeded and confederacy asked them to leave they didnt so we waxed that ass like we said we would lol your historical inaccuracy and you think union was better then why is it 350,000 union soldiers died verses 250,000 confederates lol your retarded at facts and history man GOD SAVE THE SOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

[ChiefOren]

Also, most of the Southern commanders requested from Jefferson to free the slaves, so that they could join the south on the battlefield. The most influencial was Lee and Long, whom both freed their slaves before the war started! You may laugh about "States Rights", but that is the real issue here. The infringment of personal liberty. So you have your "Union", but you lost your freedom.

[ChiefOren]

I would not go so far as to say the CS Soldier was "Better" or worse than the Northern. But Motivation and Ideology were on his side. Until 1963, slavery was not even an issue. Abe needed an issue to save his administration from losing elections. So his emancipation document. But even his most loyal Northern Generals had slaves even up to the end of the war. Slaverly was not the issue here, and if you think so, you are just reading Northern Propaganda.

[drusio210071]

They may have won many battles but not the war thats why the usa is as one again and we no longer have slaves so it really doesnt matter how many union soldiers die.thats not how a war is won war is won by achiving the final goal and the goal is what you see now,

[circlecityrabbit2004]

We never fought to protect slavery, if you believe that then you should do some reasearch of your own many things are not as they seem.

And if you honestly think that the U.S is one again and there is no riff between the Southern people and the union then you have been blinded by propaganda.

[codecmgs]

you and me have got to sit down some time and have some beer or whiskey and discuss the history and what if's scenarios. you sound like a awesome person.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@circlecityrabbit2004 Your soldiers may not have fought to protect slavery, but that's what secession was about.

[drusio210071]

well yeah thats one of the main reason why the union lost so many soldiers because they didnt care to die for slaves.and yeah the south has always dislike the north because the north treats people the same no matter what your race is but the south has always dislike equality.well not all of them but most.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

If you honestly think that blacks were treated equally in the post war north then you are really mistaken. Any credible historian will admit that blacks were treated like some sort of alien people when they began coming to the northern states. Whereas we Southrons had been living together with black folks for many decades, the north had a very low black population.

[drusio210071]

as i said before the union lost many soldiers because they didnt have the will to fight a war they didnt care about they didnt care about black people.not like the revals who had a goal and some didnt even get pain they whent willingly.i never said they were treated as equals but that was the mission of abe lincon thas why he got kill.

[PeachyDelicious]

@circlecityrabbit2004

True. The North was far more racist than the South ever was. The Southern people had always lived in a society where the races were diverse. They were used to seeing white and black people in the same town, in the same neighborhood...

Northerners were not. They may have thought slavery was wrong (just as many Southerners did), but they were far more racist than the South. A former slave could head North and still find slavery...of a social kind.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@circlecityrabbit2004 Before the war, New England allowed its black people to vote. Of course, the black population in New England was miniscule, so it didn't really have an effect. I'm not saying that northerners treated blacks equally, but they did allow them to vote.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@drusio210071 hey then why was slavery first under the american flag for 70 yrs?

[Southernjuggalo63]

@drusio210071 lol we killed more yankees!!!!!!!

[Southernjuggalo63]

@drusio210071 another thing you forget slavery was condowned under american flag for 70yrs before the war for southern independence HISTORICAL FACT. but im sure you have read a history book before with what you say on here

[Southernjuggalo63]

@drusio210071 yeah its great aint it TRILLIONS of dollars in debt in 3 UNCONSTUTIONAL WARS and the U.S. COSNTITUTION has been thrown out the window you should be proud of that haha

[EducatedRebellion101]

BOTH sides had brainwashed goons, come one, how do you give up your life in so many open field battles, because you are too stupid to duck behind a tree line that is only 100 or so yards away ?? They were using outdated Napoleonic war tactics. Hell, even Gen. Lee punked out and would not fight guerilla style at the end when SO many wanted him too. Free Masonry played a big role in the war, as once again elites on BOTH sides PIMPED out their low class peasants to die for them like animals !

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Due to the inaccuracy of the muskets back then the open fileds was a very effective way of fighting. Learn a little about the tactics of war before you comment on it.

For that matter learn a little about history before you comment on it.

And also, be willing to have your preconcieved notions challenged.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@circlecityrabbit2004 The smoothbore musket wasn't in use by the time the war started. The rifled musket was being used, and it was much more accurate with longer range. By the end of the war, tactics completely changed.

[MockStoneLLC]

this is very moving, seeing how brave are men were. Deo Vindice!

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yes indeed, some of the bravest men to ever wear a uniform. -Deo Vindice

[turisas1234]

One thing I noticed in this video is that you spelled cavalry wrong every single time.

You spell it Calvary. Calvary is the hill Jesus was crucified on (Known also as Golgotha).

Not bad-mouthing you, just throwing that out there so one day, when you have spare time, you could edit this fantastic video.

Regardless of the error, 5 stars.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah I make typos sometimes lol I try to kind of proof read all of my videos but sometimes I miss things.

[Luigi84289]

government like every other nation should have been respected.

[Luigi84289]

armies Davis, Lee, Jackson as well as the majority of the non slave holding south 94% were anti slavery. The world was changing slavery in America like every other nation was at it's end. The north should have worked with us to peacefully end the institution not condemn, slander, ridicule and defame the south for doing something the north had done too and which was only abolished in the north for white labor (out of john adams own mouth) and was abolished peacefully. Our right to self

[galoon]

Don't forget that as late as the Battle of Gettysburg, quite a few Union regiments were still armed with 1842 Springfields, too. And at Shiloh, there were very few rifled muskets in either army--some of the Feds there had 1816 Springfields! In addition, the Confederacy had to resort to drafting troops in the spring/summer of 1862. The Union started drafting about a full year later, in the summer of '63.

[galoon]

The Battle of Shiloh dispelled the myth that one Rebel was worth ten Yanks. Prentiss's outnumbered Union division there repulsed at least seven CS assaults before it was finally overrun. Not bad for a green division which had never seen action. I do agree that the overall quality of CS regiments was somewhat higher, due to their method of replacing losses. In the South, replacements were fed into existing units. The North simply raised new regiments which had to learn soldiering from scratch.

[galoon]

Actually, a higher proportion of the Confederate army deserted--best estimates are 1 in 8 Confederates and 1 in 12 Union soldiers--this shows that desertion was a big problem on both sides. The bulk of the Confederate desertions were pretty much during the last year of the war, partly due to desperate letters from home during Sherman's March to the Sea and through the Carolinas. This can be seen by comparing the strength of Lee's army between the end of '64 and about March of '65.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah I cant really blame many Confederates for deserting when Sherman and his men were burning homes and killing civilians in his march to the sea. All I know is that the union had roughly double the amount of soldiers over all, yet we killed about 100,000 more soldiers than them, the numbers speak for themselves.

[galoon]

Interestingly,the Union needed that 2:1 advantage because of the troops which had to be left behind to garrison the supply lines as the Union army moved south--this tended to sap the Northern advantage in manpower, especially in the West, where their armies covered a lot of ground. As to the losses, about 140,000 Union soldiers and about 75,000 or so Confederates died in battle, which is partly an illustration of the fact that the rifled musket made the defender stronger than the attacker.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

That sapping of manpower applies to the Confederacy prior to Gettysburg as well, remember, we marched far into union territory, far beyond our own supply lines.

[galoon]

Lee didn't have supply lines in the Gettysburg campaign and thus didn't have to leave garrisons behind in Maryland or the Valley--Gettysburg wasn't all that far into Union territory and his army was living off the land, which, as you know, was one of the main reasons he invaded the North--he had to feed his troops. He was thus able to commit all 75,000 of his troops to the battle.

[galoon]

Actually, I wasn't aware of any propaganda claiming that Union soldiers were better than Confederate soldiers, not even from most Northern-biased historians. Sherman's troops did commit a few murders, mainly in South Carolina, but the fact is that when they were destroying crops, barns, homes, etc. there were usually no civilians around--they typically fled before Sherman got there--John Marszelak's book on Sherman covers the march in great detail--it's well worth a read.

Cheers!

[bluedanbob]

The discrepancy in casualties was mainly due to the fact that the union waged a primarily offensive campaign and the confederacy a primarily defensive one. Obviously this isn't the case in every engagement, but the technology available and the outdated tactics still in use vastly favored a defending army.

[galoon]

I agree--an attacking force using linear tactics versus a dug-in opponent with rifled muskets equals high casualties for the attacker. I think part of the discrepancy can also be attributed to poor Union generals in the first half of the War, especially in the Eastern theater. The soldiers, I think, were about equal. In the 1860s, Reb and Yank alike were mainly country boys-with somewhat more of the latter coming from cities--but lots of the city boys actually made pretty decent soldiers.

[bluedanbob]

The south was blessed with the finest military minds in the country at the highest levels of command while the north was cursed with political appointees. A union soldier wrote that he was "Tired of disaster and the fools that visit it upon us."

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah thats very true, that's probably why the number of union deserters was so much higher than that of the Confederates.

[Luigi84289]

that's because of who was in charge. The southern generals were direct descendants of the southern American heroes. the story of secession from england was passed down from generation to generation in the south. From father to son. Lincoln and his big business empirical ilk were fighting for greed. Freedom will overshadow greed as motivation everytime. People will fight to the last and do anything to be free. People can be coerced into letting some money go much more easily.

[galoon]

Luigi--The story was likewise passed down in the North. Both sides felt they embodied the spirit of '76. If Lincoln & the industrialists were fighting for greed, why was Major Anderson at Ft. Sumter instructed to do nothing to provoke a war? Why would the Northern leaders have bothered to make an attempt at conciliation with the Corwin Amendment? The Southern leaders obviously had a big problem with letting some money go--they seceded because they felt slavery was being threatened.

[Luigi84289]

The norths view was that the union was indissolvable. This is laughable as a union is a voluntary consent in and of itself. Lincoln like hitler brainwashed enough of the population with his manipulation of American History and the forced draft to snuff out an entire country. The south didn't leave to protect slavery. We left to govern our own land by ourselves same as what the founders fought for. The north used slavery as an excuse to rally northern

[63rdNCV]

My god dont you know that lincoln sent war ships into the harbor the day before we fired. He made us do it. He provoked us.

[galoon]

They weren't sent into the harbor--they stopped off the bar; their task was to resupply Sumter with provisions only. If the attempt wasn't contested, no effort to supply troops and ammo would be attempted. Anderson didn't even have sights installed for the few guns he had the manpower to use. His garrison were effectively POWs in the harbor, surrounded by CS artillery. The rebs should have held their fire--this would have put the ball in Lincoln's court, making his position much more difficult.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

If the Confederates would have held their fire and allowed the ship to resupply the fort, than we woulw have been setting outside the fort for another month, a fort that was on SC soil, soveriegn soil, a place where union soldiers have no right to be.

[galoon]

On November 22, 1841, South Carolina gave the Federal government the title to the shoals upon which Fort Sumter was built--and the fort was constructed using Federal funds. Thus, the US Regulars manning the fort had just as much right to be there as Army Rangers training at Ft. Benning today. The Confederates, on the other hand, had much less claim to the weapons, munitions, and revenue cutter vessels they seized when they seceded.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Anything inside the territory of a seceding state is rightfully the property of that state, or independent Republic if you prefer.

[bluedanbob]

I agree with this video entirely but for one point: but I'm a stickler for not disrespecting fighting men, no offense.

The union soldiers did exactly what they were told to by inept commanders like Pope, Burnside, and Mclellan, doing things like assaulting mary's heights from the front, which would have ended in disaster whatever color someone wore.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah the majority of union blunders was thanks to generals who had no place commanding men, and the people who appointed them obviously didn't know the qualities that a commander should have.

[galoon]

circlecityrabbit2004--I agree; Lincoln at the start of the war was surrounded by a host of high-ranking incompetent commanders. People like Burnside, Butler, and Banks were politically well-connected and proved hard for Lincoln to get rid of. Lincoln of course knew that these men weren't geniuses; they were tolerated (for a while!)because it was felt that they were important for recruiting troops in their respective home states.

[tyburnstree]

A final note, for now. Again, know that my heritage is southern and I take immense pride in my ancestors. No offense intended but I believe that to continue to fly the Confederate Battle flag rather than the Confederate State Flag sends the wrong message if people are to be drawn to southern ideals. Flying the 'Stars and Bars' better states what the Confederacy was about. Besides, most people are ignorant and would ask what the 'Stars and Bars' represent allowing the opportunity to educate them.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

I know what you're saying man, because of all the controversy surrounding the battle flag thanks to the dumbass's in white sheets, but honestly I would consider myself a sell out if I gave up my battle flag, 2nd and 3rd nation flags because of the deeds of ignorant fools. It would be a moral defeat for us Confederates to allow them to win.

[tyburnstree]

I do not mean the battle flag should be given up. Sight of the battle flag hardens opponents with preconceived believes. Flying the battle flag is tantamount to attacking frontally; something to be avoided. Flying the Stars and Bars follows the teachings of T.J. Jackson, Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy. The Stars and Bars is more apt to avoid preconceived ideas and open the way for educating opponents. Once persuaded to our side they will look more favorably on the battle flag.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yes but when should we go back to flying the battle flag then? We will never be able to show every single person the truth, we will always have enemies. So even if we waited 100 years and worked day and night to show people the truth, there would still be those who would use the controversy about the flag against us.

Not to mention that the 1st national stars n bars is no longer our official flag, it was replaced by the 2nd and 3rd nationals.

[swiftnicknevison]

Hard call. The battle flag certainly evokes a great deal of emotion both supporting and non. I would think the best times would be on those occasions when confrontation is unavoidable or a point needs to be made. The battle flag should be flown on the battle field but on those occasions where an attempt is made to reach out to those who are blinded by preconceived ideas I don't think we gain any friends who are not already friends by flying the battle flag.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

I dont know man, I fly the 3rd national which seems to not be associated as much with the dumbass's in white sheets so I often just get asked "Is that the Rebel flag?" or something like that, which allows me to spread the truth. Plus I think alot of people are starting to doubt what the federal education system tells them because almost everything that comes out of the feds mouth nowdays is a lie.

[tyburnstree]

By the third national you're referring to the flag that was a white field with a scarlet bar at the end and the battle flag in the upper corner field, correct? The fact that you receive less hostility than when flying the battle flag gives credence to my point. I'll wager you get even less hostility and even more interest when people see the first national better known as 'the stars and bars'.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yep that's the 3rd national, our "bloodstained banner" as it's called.

Yeah I probably would get less opposition with the 1st national, but like I said, I just dont feel right flying a flag that has been retired.

[swiftnicknevison]

I can understand that. I've enjoyed your videos.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Well thanks man, glad to hear my videos are appreciated!

[tyburnstree]

I take exception to the statement that man for man southerners were better soldiers. To accept this belittles northern stands at Little Round Top, Culp's Hill, The Hornet's Nest to name a few. That the south had better generals early on is plausible but the northern Generals who came later proved capable as they needed to be. The challenge the south could not answer was replacing attrition from dwindling human resources. Read Freeman 'Lee's Lieutenants' regarding Lee's leadership difficulties.

[tyburnstree]

Know that my heritage is southern. For many years I was an student of the Civil War wanting to know why the South lost and what, if done differently, might have changed the outcome. I take exception to the statement that southerns did not have to be drafted. In fact the Confederacy enacted the first of three conscription laws in April of 1862 almost a full year before the Union. Read Sam Watkins, 'Company 'Aytch'' for an idea of how southern soldiers responded to the conscription laws.

[Luigi84289]

I'll always believe that god was with us. He handed us the victory after the first battle we just didn't know it. All humans are supposed to be free and independent.

[WesleyHeckendorn]

You are very correct about the Confederate troops being superior to their Union counter parts but your statement about the Confederate soldeirs being all volunteers is not accurate. Infact the Union authorized conscription in order to counter act conscription in the Confederacy. Southerners were also forced into the war agianst their will

[Luigi84289]

that's not true. I've never read that. Southrons believed in voluntary military service as the founders had. Our ancestors fathers fought the first revolution they wanted the honor of fighting voluntarily for their country. Forcing people to fight a war isn't necessary unless the war is an aggressive offensive war. the south was being invaded the people being murdered and killed I can't believe the government upholding the constitutional principles to the end would issue an involuntary draft.

[galoon]

Luigi84289--Southrons did believe in voluntary military service, which is why the Confederate Conscription Act of 1862 was as unpopular in the South as the Union's draft was in the North--about half the Southerners who were drafted failed to turn up. As the war dragged on and the casualties mounted, many poor Southerners increasingly felt that they were being used as pawns in someone else's crusade-i.e. the planter aristocracy. Which is why their resentment and resistance to the elite increased.

[russianvid99]

Nationalism is the only ideology that will work in the long run, alongside Imperialism. Great video, 5 stars man.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Well im always in favor of a constitutional republic rather than anything else but an empire can work as long as it's like a constitutional empire, something where the people will always be protected from an emperor that might get out of control.

[WAsoccer24]

actually the maynard carbine was a single shot breech loader, not a repeater like the henry or spencer

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah I noticed that after I made this video, but with an average rate of fire around 12 rounds a minute is still pretty good.

[CrosslegLuke]

lol that old saying.........it reminds me of the scottish saying

"12 highlanders and a bagpipe make a rebelion."

[circlecityrabbit2004]

lol yeah thats a good one, I actually came across it for the first time just the other day.

[CrosslegLuke]

thats right we rock lol...........

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Hell ya! lol

[chadhub]

yeah look what that macloud guy did with a sword (sorry bad joke but could not stop myself scotts rule) (only after the irish tough lol)

[CrosslegLuke]

lol exactly

[CrosslegLuke]

but We beat'em both :P lol

[CrosslegLuke]

**Salutes Kennesaw** Rest in Peace my uncle

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Thanks man! -Deo Vindice

[darush012]

that is so true, it is a shame that after the war these great fighting men, the ones who survived, were treated worse than common criminals. I am proud to say that my ancesters were confederates and many died for the cause

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Thats definately something to be proud of! -Deo Vindice

[stl6281z]

Wow this may be your best yet!!

Deo Vindice

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Lol well thanks man! -Deo Vindice

[nbenicewicz]

Very Good looking flag at the end with the credits. The Gadsden symbol and message looks great on that flag.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah I like the way that looks too, im surprised nobody has made that before.

Keep an eye out for the next video I upload, its got something important to do with that flag.

[chadhub]

make shirts now

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah actually I was just thinking of that like 5 mintues ago lol

Great minds think alike huh? lol

There's a local place that does that

"silk-screening" stuff on shirts, supposed to last longer than an iron-on, so I might give them a call and see about the prices.

[chadhub]

maybe put on ebay

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah thats a possibility, sell them cheap to spread the image.

[MissDragonFyre]

Silk Screening does last longer my dad used to do silk screening but it is more work and instead of ironed on they are put in an oven a few mintues if its a shirt.

[fghnpoma]

WOW if that dont get ya fired up nothing will!!! Dixie till I die!!!! 5**

[circlecityrabbit2004]

lol thanks for watching man! -Deo Vindice

[Luigi84289]

Great vid. Sad how we were starved out like we were. If the union had fought fair and not blockaded our harbors and stopped trade they would hav been annihilated.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Definately, they only won out of sheer numbers and dirty tactics.

[zweg2]

Yeah. Destroying our railroads, burning our mills and factories. The cowards. We would've won if they hadn't resorted to stuff like that. But hey, at least we did some damage.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Definately, We're still here, that's the important thing.

[zweg2]

Yup.

[msgtsd]

...don't forget the terrible things that occurred during "Reconstruction." My stomach churns at the thought...By the way, I'm just finishing reading The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo. I highly recommend it to those who seek truth among the clutter of northern revisionist material.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yes, lawless criminals and out of control union troops, doing as they please to anything, and anyone. The only good thing is we know they got what they deserved in the afterlife.

Yeah ive hear ALOT of good things about "The real Lincoln". I haven't gotten the chance to read it myself but I think I will soon.

Another great book is "When in the course of human events: Arguing the case for Southern secession"

[Luigi84289]

read lincoln unmasked too, that one really lets you in on how insane lincoln was. It's amazing how we idolize the most insane sadistic president to ever reside in the white house.

[msgtsd]

It is sad. Lincoln's actions really set the precedent for future "tyrants." Lincoln, FDR, and Wilson rank right at the top of a long list of horrible presidents that are commonly regarded as America's greatest leaders.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Exactely, the true patriots are often made to look like villans while the true tyrants are made to look like heroes.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah, the victors right the history books. Sadly the history of the war is a prime example of that.

[oc5nsli341nforce4]

Only if the south had won then we would not have been in this mess we have now. 5/5

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah, we could have made sure the rights of the people were protected instead of being trampled like they are now.

[oc5nsli341nforce4]

It is worse than that the scum we have for government is trying to bring down the whole world into world war three. Soon we will have to fight for the right to even exist.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yeah atleast back then it was just that tyrant Lincoln, now we have people world wide trying to subjugate the people.

[Travis29729]

whats the name of that

song that plays the very 1st time??

[chadhub]

plus lets not forget why better armed davis was over war dept before the wna and thought usa soliders needed the best stuff. thats jefferson davis, a noble act hurt his country

[circlecityrabbit2004]

True, President Davis, like many Southrons, did not anticipate Lincolns aggression until it was too late.

[vometcomet]

Yes!, First comment. Deo Vindice first of all. Most of those Confederate soldiers spent their whole lives hunting in the backwoods. They were excellent shots. I give it 5/5. God Bless you.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

lol Well thanks for bein the first to comment!lol

Yeah exactely, union solders were city boys that couldn't ride or shoot, where as we were good ol country boys that already knew how to ride and shoot, and had our own muskets and horses.