@ArkAngelHFB The authority at the time was the Bible and the church which said the earth was the center of everything. Galileo showed them the moons of Jupiter and proved them wrong. They knew they were wrong and needed time to 'change their story'' so they pur Galileo underhouse arrest so he couldn't spread the TRUTH, science.
@gregrutz The Bible says nothing about if we circle the sun or it circles us... the church leaders at the time was wrong but you can not say that Galileo prove the Bible wrong...
Hell the church wasn't even being true to the Bible then... Purgatory is an example... Why do you think there was the protestant reformation?
Most people couldn't read the Bible so the Church just made things up.
Now most people just don't read the bible so people make things up... really not much has changed.
@ArkAngelHFB But when Columbus discovered America it didn't need to be discovered again. I don't care what the 'purpose' of the flood story is, the point is it is just a story.
@gregrutz My point, and I'm not the first to view things this way.... nor is this a new view on things.
Most Israelite knew it was a story... However the story is now being taken out of both it's time context and it's original people context... in short... much of what the story is really about is missed. It is a story about morals and faith... not about water... if you are reading it for anything about H2o then you missed the point... just saying.
Good video series. The answer to the question of whether a day for God is like a day for man can also be found in Job 10: 4, 5, where Job is speaking directly to God.
Hast thou eyes of flesh? Or seest thou as man seeth? Are thy days as the days of man? Are thy years as man's days.
why can't people just except things just exist why people believe in a 2000 year old book that has already been proven wrong in so many things, many years ago if man spoke against the church they was kiled for it, if we found out if something and if it made the bible wrong the church had that person killed in the name of god, because we have found out about so much in our day off time we are luckey to see the truth, although some people still wish to believe the bible hehe dick heads
"Those who insist on restricting creation to a recent event are actually the ones diminishing God's transcendent glory." Old Earth argument.
That's a good point to put to the Young Earth Christians. In fact, I like the idea of pitting one group of Christians against another. It seems subversive somehow.
A bit like the FBI getting the mafia clans to fight each other.
okay, so evolution isnt proven, just backed by tons of evidence. anyone with a rational mind will notice how it fits in perfectly with the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. the evolution of the universe is proven (read A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking) why should it be any different on earth. besides your theory of everything has no evidence, just the bible, which isnt evidence at all. its a book of stories rewritten for 6000 years,(the Sumerians 7 tablets of creation was first)
I'm surprised more Christians don't embrace this view since a God that created the universe (heavens and earth) in an instant in Genesis 1:1 is clearly more powerful the the one most Christians misread as needing 6 days to create the earth. Genesis is clearly a restoration of a devestated Earth, which makes God the first recycler enviromentalist. This view makes infinitely more sense since it syncs up with science.
This video series denies the clear references in the Bible to the age of the earth and universe. It is a denial of God's Word. Furthermore, bigwhammybelieves in literal creation, but an old earth, which is also refuted by scripture. THe Bible tells us the earth is about 6K yrs old many times in various ways, one of which is an allegorical used in Genesis and Christ's words to 1 day periods likened to 1 generation, which is likened to 1K periods of time. It adds up to 6K yrs.
If you are going to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are a 'Figure of speech', but WHAT criteria are you picking and choosing? Just going with what feels right?
Interesting how Christians disagree with each other.
Some say a day is the 24 hours it takes the Earth to revolve. Others that a day is the same as an age or an era. The young Earth and Old Earth followers.
The classic satire of that sort of thinking was Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift. He talked about those who ate their breakfast eggs from the little end arguing with those who ate their breakfast eggs from the big end.
interesting conversation... i just want to know how Adam knew eve was from his bones/flesh / himself/ clone or whatever cause he was in a deep sleep and from what i know of surgeries if you don't know you are about to be operated on you will not not know when you wake up!
Well, considering Genesis 2 says that Eve was created as a helper because there was no suitable helper among the animals, one has to wonder; if Adam wasn't on a dry spell, what kind of "help" were these animals supposed to give...?
Umm, yeah...let's assume for a minute here that when the person or persons who first put pen to paper to write down the creation story, were describing "the beginning" as best they could with the information they had. What would that information be? Why not ask that question? It seems illogical to dive right into a debate on the meaning of words from ancient texts as if they were factual scientific explainations. Debating theological positions as if they were science is incredibly naive.
@9:40 IF THAT'S CORRECT, WHY THEN DID JESUS SAY IN John 5:17 "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."?ANSWER: BECAUSE HEB.4 IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. THE "REST" REFERED TO IS THE REST FROM OUR "WORKS" TO "FAITH" IN CHRIST FOR SALVATION. THAT WE MAY BE FOUND WORTHY TO ENTER INTO ONLY THROUGH HIM. GOD'S RESTING WAS TO INSTITUTE THE SABBATH AS AN EVERLASTING ORDINANCE. IT IS A PERPETUAL CYCLE. AFTER RESTING FROM "CREATING ONLY", HE WENT RIGHT BACK TO WORK ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
Intelligent design is nice theology, but there is noi scientific evidence that could possibly support such a hypothesis. Is this God the god of the Hindu? Of the Jews? The Hopi? David Koresh? what are you proving?
not including the extinct animals, my friend 98% of all the animals that lived on this planet is extinct. the bible is a story like many others, the only think that matters is that we make a better life for all living things. keep improving ourselves.
@patrickcorliss I wouldn't say insignificant. It's the only known planet that can have beings with free choice. the odds of this happening are nearly impossible.
Amazingly, the nearly impossible happens all the time. The Universe is so vast it is beyond comprehension. Billions of galazxies each containing billions of stars.
To think that we are the ONLY planet with life in the whole Universe is the same self-centred attitude that existed in the time when people thought the Earth was the centre of the solar system.
Even if you believe in God, why wouldn't God create more life elsewhere?
@patrickcorliss It's not self-centered, it's factual. I have no doubt that there is abundant life in the universe, but to get an advance intelligence like humans, a LOT of factors must be simultaneously in place. we're not too smart & not too stupid but human science can discover from the smallest light particle to the edges of the cosmos. it's unlikely to get such a complex machine like man with a self-awareness. my belief system is opposed to self-righteousness bc God is God, we're creatures.
@patrickcorliss "nearly impossible happens all the time" so according to the law of intentionality, wouldn't it be much more probable to say there is ultimate purpose, not chance? after all, every single solitary thing we've discovered in the universe holds purpose, why not ultimately? btw, I don't have a religious point of view. I do believe there's life elsewhere but the odds of there being human kind anywhere else are so rare, the age of the universe doesn't support the odds.
You said "I don't have a religious point of view". Perhaps not.
But by also saying "every single solitary thing we've discovered in the universe holds purpose" suggests you are still enthralled by the idea of the supernatural.
Often I find that arguments such as these can be easily resolved when you start thinking about the meaning of words being used.
To me the word "purpose" posits a self-aware being, like you and I, thinking about what they are doing and why.
@patrickcorliss If every action has an opposite & equal reaction, there's no such thing as something that doesn't matter, at least not by primary laws. Its all just an endless array of cause & effect presences & voids. That's what I mean by "purpose." my brother & I were debating this the other day. I just think its irrational 2 say that everything holds purpose, but for no purpose. look @ ur computer; u can understand the *how* but the *why* comes only by revelation from the creator
Hey, Blatt, your comments sound really cool but they don't actually make sense. Newtown's law of equal and opposite reaction is talking about the physical universe and that has now been superseded by quantum mechanics.
None of which has anything to do with an intangible, invisible, unmeasurable and non-existent creator. In any case, I thought you didn't have a religious point of view?
As I said, you are still enthralled by the idea of the supernatural.
@patrickcorliss when you say "supernatural" you make it sound like fantasy. if our cosmos has a time-restriction, it's cause wouldn't have the same restriction & can't be limited to our laws. the nature of the cause may be fixed, but it's not bound by the laws that it ordained. the same, if you created a system, you would govern it by certain laws so it would preform a specific purpose of your own. you(your person) would be super-natural as it is not restricted to the natures of your creation.
Hey, Blatt. You said "when you say 'supernatural' you make it sound like fantasy."
Exactly. Something which is super-natural is, by definition, above or beyong nature. It is not supported by reality. It includes witchcraft, numerology, horoscopes, fairies and demons. None of these things exist.
This stuff is fun in Harry Potter movies. It is not real.
Unfortunately a lot of people have gone over to the Dark Side of superstition and fantasy. Like you apparently.
@patrickcorliss "None of these things exist" of course they don't exist in our reality but if our reality has laws & a finite time-restriction, it had a cause. whatever the cause, it's not bound by the nature of it's own effect. it's just irrational to say that there is no ultimate purpose for such a rational system that holds purposes on every scale. I don't follow superstitions, I follow reason & I'm not afraid of wisdom. you say "the dark side" but you're the one afraid to look beyond self.
@patrickcorliss (1) I agree. Then whatever the cause of space-time must not have a time-restriction at all. (2) I don't believe in magic. Whatever the cause, it's intelligent. You can say that matter & energy is all there is but there's another factor to this reality: "information." we have time, space, matter, force & energy but all these knowables are governed by *informative laws* so they fulfill specific purposes. Information comes from intelligence. (3) see antithesis #1 lolz
Information has many meanings including some which are technical and specific. It is not true that "information comes from intelligence". But it is true that "we derive meaning from information".
Nevertheless It is obvious that YOU believe in a supreme being which does not observe physical laws by being timeless, transcendent and immaterial.
But it's a crappy argument which side-steps the issue of how the creator was created.
@patrickcorliss If you see a pile of plastic & copper, you may say that the matter & energy is just there with no purpose, but if you see plastic & copper formed into a computer, you don't assume "chance" as a creative force, you assume that some intelligence made the system with a specific purpose in mind. Idk why it's so difficult to grasp but it's foundational to the most basic of cause-effect reasoning. The God is eternal bc it can't be restricted by the space-time it began.
@patrickcorliss the fact that we're able to conceive of eternity is transcendent beyond anything material. Dawkins is a self-consumed foolish man blinded by pride & he uses his *personal* hate for God to deliberately espouse the creed of irrationality for whatever reason he has to be ashamed before God. watching ppl self-destruct & the innocent suffer everyday because selfish people get paid millions to spread lawlessness & chaos. he's just a Luciferian pawn & you have to be a fool to follow him
@patrickcorliss "theist in disguise" who said I was in disguise? you can be a monotheist without being religious. "open-minded" my thinking is sharply antithetical to error. I'm a total skeptic, not a gullible fool so I dont follow popular opinion, cultural relativism, or the fantasy of mind. Weather or not u believe in Luciferianism doesnt change the fact that the elitists do. The leaders of this system are Satanists, which is why masses can be so willfully irrational.
"Kent Hoving was charged . . . with 12 counts of willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over federal income taxes and FICA taxes, 45 counts of knowingly structuring transactions in federally insured financial institutions to evade reporting requirements, and one count of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws" (see Wikipedia).
Such offences are referred to as "tax fraud". So the answer is both, as you say.
@patrickcorliss btw I didn't say everything must have a creator but all things finite must have a cause & informative law comes from mind. Anybody like Dawkins who has to use arrogance, mockery, slander, scorn & all other manipulation tactics just to get a point across is unreliable as they are void of truth. truth is straight forward & it's absolute so u don't need deceptions for ppl to understand it. humans being hypocritical liars by nature will flee any truth that convicts.
(4) When you say "its cause" referring to the beginning of the Universe, you are assuming that the Universe had a cause in the sense that something happened prior to the beginning of the Universe.
@patrickcorliss weather or not event(s) took place outside of space-time is a different thought. the fact is, it's a stretch to say that
"nobody x nothing= everything" that's magic! space-time is evidently finite so it had a cause. whatever caused it is not time-restricted since time itself is finite. whatever caused it is immaterial since matter is finite.
If you have a little time, I’d strongly recommend watching one of the most brilliant scientists in the world talking about the mystery of the Universe. It’s Lawrence Krauss. Even if you only understand a bit - like me - it will blow your mind.
I actually used to believe that as a theist. The bible doesn't say anything about other planets - after all, the writers were clueless about them - so I figured, 'why wouldn't God start over at some other place and have us be the intergalactic pawns in the Satan vs God challenge?'
I subscribed to the whole notion of mankind screwing it up, not God. And God just trying it again with another population, see if they don't mess up. Obviously you can't think things like that through too much, eh?
For the problem of evil (from another reply you made) it was just because the bet between Satan and God hadn't ended yet - and that we had to take a stand with God. Again - as a theist you can't think too hard about this.
You say "God trying it again with another population" in order to "see if they don't mess up". Then you talked about thinking "things like that through".
I'm not sure what you mean about the second comment but atheists like me who are debating theistic arguments necessarily get trapped in their false logic.
God is supposed to be all-knowing and all powerful. I don't believe any of it. But those who do would say that God would know the outcome in advance.
In brief you were asking "Are we pawns in the Satan v. God challenge?"
Whilst I never thought in those terms, I guess that's what some Christians actually think. A galactic war between God and Satan. And we are the ones choosing who to follow using our God-given free will.
Hmm . . . interesting idea to lift it up a level.
Mostly Chistians look at it from the bottom-up (from the sinner's point of view) rather than top-down (from God's point of view).
Any personification of evil makes God look stupid.
If God has got perfect foresight he would know that Satan was going to turn against him. And allowing Satan is obviously insane as it just allows chaos in the world.
Which is totally incompatible with a loving God.
On the other hand, not personifying evil makes God look weak. It shows that he can't control the forces of nature arrayed against him.
Hence why does God allow evil like earthquakes and disease?
Some people may think this is weird, but I think the Earth-centered model and the Sun-centered model could both be correct, because it depends on the point of view, regardless of gravity, mass, weight,etc. If you're on the Sun, the Earth rotates around you, if you're on Earth the Sun rotates around you, I think both views are correct because they depend on the position (relativity) I think this is also right about the movement of the objects themselves. Anyway, that's my opinion. Great vid!
Um you'r edumb if you see it from the view outside the solar ystem looking at it you'll see the Earth rotating around the sun. Come on didnt you go to school?
that's right it's another view point and it's valid, just like ours (here on Earth) and again, the Bible is written for HUMANS and humans live on this planet called EARTH. "Come on didn't you study relativity?" In fact the Bible was written TO humans who lived thousands of years ago, I think the Bible is scientific but it's not a science manual, it has much much much more important information than that. Btw I just got back from a vacation. It was pretty cool! Peace be with you!
MavericKLongRange - "Anyway, that's my opinion." I am so glad your opinion on the matter is not REQUIRED or needed. Since humans started working on facts and not opinion we have managed to leap to the stars. Thanks world for not allowing opinions like that of this mans influence the world.
Hope you enjoy the stars then, and too bad then the world allowed opinions like those of Darwin, Stalin, Hitler, Bush, several Popes, etc to influence the world. And yeah "keep trusting the WORLD" - it used to believe the Earth was flat, now it believes that we evolved from animals, that homosexuality is ok and that every religion is ultimately true...
MavericKLongRange - Shhh puppy, don't get so angry at the word. I know, I know, it must be hard for you to not be important or special, to be ignored and basically have all of your opinions rejected. But hey, just think the amount of good that comes out of it, I get to live my life free from your bullshit, how great is that ;-) Now don't fret. You don't have to endure life forever, just a few more years and it will all be over.
Listen, I do hope you find the Truth, but I don't wanna argue with you, it seems to me that this is what you want, but I'm not gonna give it to you, I don't like to argue, especially when there is a 99% probability that neither of us will change our stance. I mean you come here and throw your stuff at me, you know I'm a Christian and I don't hate you for that, and you just keep going. I don't want to argue with you if nothing's gonna change accept the heat of the debate... Peace and goodbye :)
As i said. SINCE the world STOPPED listening to opinion over fact men have reached the stars. It is no coincidence that these achievments have been in defiance of bible thumpers and their beliefs. No wonder they get upset, nearly every discovery in the world contradicts the desert stories of 2000 year old ignorant men. Best you get a new religion bible thumper. Perhaps one of the other 9,999 that you ignore without giving suitable explanation why to anyone, or yourself.
No he responded to the first 2 parts and called me blasphemous and stuff - so I put his picture in this one as playful jab back, I don't have any hard feelings about it but he is wrong.
Of course i agree that truth is more important than tradition. But when the Bible starts talking about years of prople's lives, um i think that you can chronologically predict how long weve been here.(as humans). Second, i don't think i agree that Adam CANT name all of the Animals in one day... Why not? HE WAS PERFECT! GOD HIMSELF gave him all the knowledge about planet earth and the laws of the Universe. So i do think that Adam was capable of naming the Animals in one day. Don't you?
Hi J I gave you the calculation if he spent 2 seconds on each animal he could do it in 10 hours but when did he have time to do all the rest of the things plus Eve then? I just don't think it was meant to be a 24 hour day.
Hmmmmm... I see. Ill respect that view. I think naming the animals was a priority first before he started tending after the garden and stuff like that. I think that when he said "AT LAST!" he racted out of the number of different animals he named. not how much time he spent naming them.
@bigwhammyRocksYOU ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU ARTICULATE THAT WICH U CONVEY.BUT@9:09THE CREATION OF ANIMALS/MAN MAY HAVE BEEN INSTANTANEOUS.4 GOD TO PROMISE EVE TO ADAM WAS LIKELY SECONDS."@LEAST 15,000 SPECIES"?THERE WERE NO "SPECIES" AT THAT TIME.THEY WERE "KINDS"& MAY HAVE BEEN FEWER THAN WHAT WE OBSERVE AS "SPECIES" TODAY.ADAM DIDN'T HAVE TO"SEARCH 4 A MATE".GOD BROUGHT THE ANIMALS UP FROM THE GROUND BEFORE HIM.CREATION OF EVE M.H.B. MINS.@LAST AFTER NAMING ANI.ALL DAY,EVE
@bigwhammyRocks I've often wondered,do you think Adam's length of life was counted from his creation,or from the time he sinned when death entered the world? I have wondered about this and if Adam and Eve had blood as their life giving substance before the fall,since Eve was called bone of my bone flesh of my flesh,without blood being mentioned,the same words Jesus used to describe the difference between His self and a spirit when He was in His resurrected body,when life was in the Spirit?
The RC Church held the prevailing scientific view of the day. Galileo was publishing a new theory. It was not the literal view of Scripture which made the RC Church wrong. It was the Aristotelian view of the solar system, a pagan philosophy much like the Darwinism of today. In fact, the church did not take the bible literally. And like PCs they were adapting the bible to the current pagan science. Hugh Ross=Galileo? no.
I am a young earth creationist. You have to remember, ALL things are possible with GOD.
So a 7 day reality is possible. When God created the plants on day 3, how would they last a long period of time till the sun was created on day 4? I believe this account is very literal. Yes He is out side our time domain as He sees the beginning and the end.
Chuck Missler and Ken Hovind both have very good statistical data on this subject. Blessing Siblings!
Chuck Missler believes in millions of years dear. He advocates a version of the Gap theory in which the earth was flooded twice. That's why it was covered in water in Gen 1:2. I tend to believe that too. I have studied a lot with Chuck :)
Day 7 is still going on today according to the book of Hebrews. The literal reading of Genesis is that the Sun was created "in the Beginning" and day 4 is God assigning purpose. There's a different verb used.
Okay, HOW did God create plants. Did He do it himself, did he subcontract, did he wave his hands and the plants suddenly appeared? Did he build them cell by cell, superfast? Tell me how you see it in your mind. This is key. I tend to think that if it were just a matter of things instantly popping into existence, there would be no reason for doing it over a period of 6 days. Or resting on the 7th. There must be some sort of process going on here. Tell me your opinion on the matter.
Why would you suppose that the seed cam first? Seeds are not mentioned. Sprouts are mentioned. Describe to me how you envision these first sprouts coming into being.
Well "usually" sprouts come from seeds don't they? Hmmmm are you trying to imply this was an "unusual" situation? Likemaybe they popped up real fast? It's possible they did. But why assume that?
Since you opened the door to unusual is much less contrived (you needn't violate God's laws f nature) to assume that the word "day" was not a "usual" length of time...
And usually people come from non-virgin wombs--not ribs, new species arise, etc.
All observable phenomenon in nature take place over time--sometimes very large periods of time. The literal Creationism tells of something quite different. I am looking for the most detailed description of "Creation Science" I can get from Christians.
How do Creationists picture the Creation?
What are the mechanics of it?
I certainly think the Bible speaks metaphorically about the creation. how 'bout you?
I think you have to be keenly aware it was written in Hebrew to an ancient Hebrew reader. Not in English to people with modern sensibilities. Its more about what happened and why than how it happened and when.
Well I feel that I am keenly aware that it is ancient Hebrew mythology, and that is why I support science being taught in schools, and I oppose creationism being taught as science.
I think I understand what you are implying by the "What and why" rather than the "how and when". Its refreshing to hear a Christian admit that the Bible is not a science book.
The Universe is billions of years old. Evolution happens. Does that mean we can't worship God?
Absolutely not, the problem is on both sides. You have agnostics like Dick Dawkins who claim to have proof there is no God from science and then you have YEC claiming that based on genealogies in the Bible you can prove the world is 6000 years old. Both are wrong. But God is real and there are eternal consequences so its not a trivial matter.
The problem is really only one sided. The Earth is not 6000 years old. End of story. Now, people like Richard Dawkins (atheist, not agnostic) do not claim to have proof that there is no God--they claim that there is no proof for God. Any God. Yours. Mine. Muslim. Hindu. Whatever. Of course, these people are correct. You may claim God is real, but I know your idea of God and mine are different. I don't believe in Hebrew mythology. There is no proof of an "afterlife".
Right and Dawkins claim is completely with out merit. He's an ignoramus when it comes to God which means without knowledge. There are very compelling evidences for God in science and philosophy an many very very intelligent men are pastors clergy preachers. To just ignore all of this is disingenious.
There's a lot of proof for an after life as well, you really ought to do some research before falling for the arguments of a self confessed ignoramus like Mr dawkins.
He's actually quite smart. But enough about him. I knew the Bible stuff was hogwash long before I had heard of Dr. Dawkins. And the real point here is that all the ramblings of all the pastors, preachers, Kent Hovinds, Hugh Ross's,could never make me believe in fairytales such as Noah's Ark,Jesus rose from the dead, Adam's rib making Eve, Jesus Born of a virgin, Heaven, Hell, Beasts with 7 horns, on and on. Its calle a "myth" And theres not one single shred of evidence that any of it's true
He might be a good zoo keeper at Oxford but he's a dullard in philosophy. The God Confuison is so trite that a 15 year old kid on youtube has soundly refuted it. So not too impressive. But enough about him.
You are right that none of those things will ever make you believe. Only God can do that. We just try to give him something to work with because I can remember what it was like to be like you.
I was hostile to it and thought it was fairy tales too up until 9 years ago. Now I am more sure of Gods existence than anything of this world. Because God chose to reveal himself to me.
Many ways... it stared by circumstances. I kept ending up in situations that had great significance in a strange thematic personal way that only someone reading my mind would know. Its too weird for me to expect you to see it as evidence. But that is why Christians give their testimonies to each other - we know. It is undeniable when it happens. My personality changed and the bible starts to make sense - it didn't before. Like a veil was lifted. It sounds wacky but it is absolutely true.
I hope you can understand that this process can happen in many ways--it will be be different for different people. These are not matters where "proof" or "evidence" are valid principles. That is the realm of science. They are necessary when we ask questions like "How old is the Earth?" "How did life arise?", etc, etc. Bronze Age mythology can't answer those questions. But it can, and has, set us on the path to learn more about these issues.
I agree with 1jenstand. If this is still the 7th day, then we shouldn't have to work. We should all be resting until the 7th day is over. C'mon people. When is a day a day? God can do anything! He has infinite power and it is very clear that the earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour periods. Stop trying to buddy up to the evolutionists. God Bless each one of you, but please trust the Bible. It's all true. (Read only the King James version, if you speak english.)
We know not how remote the period of the creation of this globe may be—certainly many millions of years before the time of Adam. Our planet has passed through various stages of existence, and different kinds of creatures have lived on its surface, all of which have been fashioned by God. "
I don't claim to know either. I just don;lt think we need to pick fights with science when its not necessary. Especially since the best data now supports a creation event.
Why do you assume faith precludes science errskin? Did you not just hear a creationist argue sor a "billions of years" scenario regarding Earth's begining?
What an absurd statement. All of science takes it's root from faith. Need I list the thousands upon thousands of inacurate scientific statements that have ben quashed over the years? Where were they all derived from? Certainly not good scientific evidence. For that matter what did Darwin himself go on before he had any evidence? Faith is pervasive in humanity.
I'm not a YEC, but I know that they would tell you that because of the verse "let there be light" the Sun didn't get created until day 4.
My recommendation is to keep reading St. Augustine!! He goes onto explain how the creation story is very much a simplified allegory, and how even things like the change and evolution of life does not contradict scripture.
God explains why it was dark on day one in Job. "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...When I made a cloud its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band" (Job 38:4-9)
God was hovering over the waters, "let their be light" was when he opened the thick atmosphere up to see the sun & stars that were formed "in the beginning"
the term, "for an age" or "of the ages" is often translated as forever, everlasting, or eternal in English. The same word used for "eternal" in the bible was the word used for the length of time that Jonah was in the "whale". Is Jonah still in the belly of a big fish? I think not.
It means "whole burnt offering", MikeGram in GREEK. Hebrew is "olah" So in Greek it's a compound word made of transliterated "olah" and "kaustos" which in Greek means "burnt".
OH NOES! You looked up the Hebrew meaning to a word in the Bible!!! You know what that means dont you? You're not saved & you're goin to hell forever and ever! (eye roll) Love ya bro
One thing I've learned in my experiences in life, is that, although there is a vast amount of stupidity and ignorance in the world, nobody says to themselves, "man, I'm pretty stupid". Everybody thinks they know it all, even when they have to make half of it up. Touche`
I can't believe that people think all those events happened in 24 hours. OBVIOUSLY the word day means a period of time. God created all the animals and Adam named them all the same day! This was probably 100 years or more - who knows. Date setting is just wrong.
It does seem rather obvious if you take the time to add up what happens on the 6th day. Sadly many Christians don't bother to think critically. We are called too use reason not just blindly accept things. Thanks for commenting.
When people base their beliefs on the doctrine that they were raised hearing, they often shut out any knowledge that doesn't fit into that box. If you read the bible in its original form, most of what we were lead to believe, was merely regional doctrine, most often used to control the masses. Great video by the way, but I get tired of telling you that :oP
It's unfortunate that some Christians are abusing scripture by date setting the creation. If God wanted date setting he would have told us the date. Date setting always results in heresy and problems like Galileo. This young earth thing is a sad example of date setters gone overboard.
Astonomers say the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Call a 'day' anything you want.
gregrutz 1 month ago
Slow down with the logic in the video.
The earth may be old but it doesn't help Darwin's claim's [natural selection causes evolution]
ID scared naturalists so bad shit their pants?
How does God 'trancend' time?
gregrutz 1 month ago
Galileo was the first scientist to prove the bible wrong, but not the last.
gregrutz 2 months ago in playlist More videos from bigwhammyRocks
@gregrutz define wrong? and how he did so...
ArkAngelHFB 1 month ago
@ArkAngelHFB The authority at the time was the Bible and the church which said the earth was the center of everything. Galileo showed them the moons of Jupiter and proved them wrong. They knew they were wrong and needed time to 'change their story'' so they pur Galileo underhouse arrest so he couldn't spread the TRUTH, science.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz The Bible says nothing about if we circle the sun or it circles us... the church leaders at the time was wrong but you can not say that Galileo prove the Bible wrong...
Hell the church wasn't even being true to the Bible then... Purgatory is an example... Why do you think there was the protestant reformation?
Most people couldn't read the Bible so the Church just made things up.
Now most people just don't read the bible so people make things up... really not much has changed.
ArkAngelHFB 1 month ago
@ArkAngelHFB Does the bible say there was a global flood and we all came off an Ark. ??
Then the bible is wrong.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz If there was a flood that cover a massive region but was not the "whole" earth?
If it was a narrative tale holding a moral and was written as an Israelite counter to a popular Uruk hero king story.
We say Alexander conquered the world but he really did not.
and last time I checked viking really found america but Columbus is still getting credit...
What is my point... things tend to be subjective and removed from original context... the real meaning of purpose can be lost.
ArkAngelHFB 1 month ago
@ArkAngelHFB But when Columbus discovered America it didn't need to be discovered again. I don't care what the 'purpose' of the flood story is, the point is it is just a story.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz My point, and I'm not the first to view things this way.... nor is this a new view on things.
Most Israelite knew it was a story... However the story is now being taken out of both it's time context and it's original people context... in short... much of what the story is really about is missed. It is a story about morals and faith... not about water... if you are reading it for anything about H2o then you missed the point... just saying.
ArkAngelHFB 1 month ago
@ArkAngelHFB Age of the universe > 13.7 billion years.
Age of the earth > 4.5 billion years.
Geologic evidence for a global flood > it didn't happen.
just saying.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz Cool...
ArkAngelHFB 1 month ago
Good video series. The answer to the question of whether a day for God is like a day for man can also be found in Job 10: 4, 5, where Job is speaking directly to God.
Hast thou eyes of flesh? Or seest thou as man seeth? Are thy days as the days of man? Are thy years as man's days.
Of course the answer is........no.
baqashchokmahelel 2 months ago
I'm glad to be atheist, purely because I don't have to twist and manipulate Scripture like this to stay in denial of the truth of Science.
anvita99 7 months ago
why can't people just except things just exist why people believe in a 2000 year old book that has already been proven wrong in so many things, many years ago if man spoke against the church they was kiled for it, if we found out if something and if it made the bible wrong the church had that person killed in the name of god, because we have found out about so much in our day off time we are luckey to see the truth, although some people still wish to believe the bible hehe dick heads
caylon31 9 months ago
Just to let everybody know. I've joined the BRIGHT side.
It's the opposite of the DARK side of faith and superstition.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
"Those who insist on restricting creation to a recent event are actually the ones diminishing God's transcendent glory." Old Earth argument.
That's a good point to put to the Young Earth Christians. In fact, I like the idea of pitting one group of Christians against another. It seems subversive somehow.
A bit like the FBI getting the mafia clans to fight each other.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
okay, so evolution isnt proven, just backed by tons of evidence. anyone with a rational mind will notice how it fits in perfectly with the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. the evolution of the universe is proven (read A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking) why should it be any different on earth. besides your theory of everything has no evidence, just the bible, which isnt evidence at all. its a book of stories rewritten for 6000 years,(the Sumerians 7 tablets of creation was first)
Dustencumbie 1 year ago
as always, if you get to choose what day means, can i choose what fool means?
eclipse278 1 year ago
That's an excellent point about Adam's search ofr a suitable helper.
OGSamwise 1 year ago
I'm surprised more Christians don't embrace this view since a God that created the universe (heavens and earth) in an instant in Genesis 1:1 is clearly more powerful the the one most Christians misread as needing 6 days to create the earth. Genesis is clearly a restoration of a devestated Earth, which makes God the first recycler enviromentalist. This view makes infinitely more sense since it syncs up with science.
OGSamwise 1 year ago
This video series denies the clear references in the Bible to the age of the earth and universe. It is a denial of God's Word. Furthermore, bigwhammybelieves in literal creation, but an old earth, which is also refuted by scripture. THe Bible tells us the earth is about 6K yrs old many times in various ways, one of which is an allegorical used in Genesis and Christ's words to 1 day periods likened to 1 generation, which is likened to 1K periods of time. It adds up to 6K yrs.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
God loves C14! ...Random I know! [+_+]/
aliendeception 1 year ago
If you are going to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are a 'Figure of speech', but WHAT criteria are you picking and choosing? Just going with what feels right?
Face it ; the entire Bible is a figure of speech.
Snuffomatica 1 year ago
@Snuffomatica
Interesting how Christians disagree with each other.
Some say a day is the 24 hours it takes the Earth to revolve. Others that a day is the same as an age or an era. The young Earth and Old Earth followers.
The classic satire of that sort of thinking was Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift. He talked about those who ate their breakfast eggs from the little end arguing with those who ate their breakfast eggs from the big end.
Age of Universe = 13.72 billion years.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
interesting conversation... i just want to know how Adam knew eve was from his bones/flesh / himself/ clone or whatever cause he was in a deep sleep and from what i know of surgeries if you don't know you are about to be operated on you will not not know when you wake up!
jujumen 1 year ago
@jujumen
I guess what Adam said could also be taken as: "It's just like me! But with TITS!"
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
PS. did adam have balls? 'cause when he was created there was no even in mind.
If he did he would have had the baddest case of blue balls ever.
jujumen 1 year ago
@jujumen
Well, considering Genesis 2 says that Eve was created as a helper because there was no suitable helper among the animals, one has to wonder; if Adam wasn't on a dry spell, what kind of "help" were these animals supposed to give...?
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
Umm, yeah...let's assume for a minute here that when the person or persons who first put pen to paper to write down the creation story, were describing "the beginning" as best they could with the information they had. What would that information be? Why not ask that question? It seems illogical to dive right into a debate on the meaning of words from ancient texts as if they were factual scientific explainations. Debating theological positions as if they were science is incredibly naive.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
Was God still resting when He gave Moses the law? Was He resting when Jesus was with us?
I am confused.
hellavadeal 1 year ago
@9:40 IF THAT'S CORRECT, WHY THEN DID JESUS SAY IN John 5:17 "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."?ANSWER: BECAUSE HEB.4 IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. THE "REST" REFERED TO IS THE REST FROM OUR "WORKS" TO "FAITH" IN CHRIST FOR SALVATION. THAT WE MAY BE FOUND WORTHY TO ENTER INTO ONLY THROUGH HIM. GOD'S RESTING WAS TO INSTITUTE THE SABBATH AS AN EVERLASTING ORDINANCE. IT IS A PERPETUAL CYCLE. AFTER RESTING FROM "CREATING ONLY", HE WENT RIGHT BACK TO WORK ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
destroytheNWO2d 1 year ago
Intelligent design is nice theology, but there is noi scientific evidence that could possibly support such a hypothesis. Is this God the god of the Hindu? Of the Jews? The Hopi? David Koresh? what are you proving?
julian7650 1 year ago
Excellent video.
I agreee that the earth is old. Exactly how old is still up for debate, but certainly is not as young earth creationists teach.
Science does not contradict scripture.
TrustinJC 1 year ago
ID = Creationism = bible story
NOT Science, scientists don't do ID.
gregrutz 2 years ago
Even if one day equals 1,000 years to God- then the Earth would be 12,000 years old, and not 4.6 billion years old.
skyydawg123 2 years ago
It doesn't really matter what the bible says, actual evidence says ~13.7 billion years
ThatsHowYouFrappe 2 years ago
yes... then you need to watch Dr. Gerald Schroedherr ... PHD in Physics from MIT, and on the Nuclear regulatory commission.
KnightsofTrueNorth 2 years ago
Ummm....The Hebrew word for yum actualy means a regular 24 hour period.
phourthefunovit 2 years ago
That's correct.
skyydawg123 2 years ago
Depending on context, but most Jews recognize the context of Genesis to mean 24 hrs...
KnightsofTrueNorth 2 years ago
not including the extinct animals, my friend 98% of all the animals that lived on this planet is extinct. the bible is a story like many others, the only think that matters is that we make a better life for all living things. keep improving ourselves.
longulbogdan 2 years ago
God made the whole universe to support his earth. It's big to us, but not to God. He is God.
blattt188 2 years ago
@blattt188
The Earth is not the centre of the Universe. It is an insignificant dot.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss I wouldn't say insignificant. It's the only known planet that can have beings with free choice. the odds of this happening are nearly impossible.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Amazingly, the nearly impossible happens all the time. The Universe is so vast it is beyond comprehension. Billions of galazxies each containing billions of stars.
To think that we are the ONLY planet with life in the whole Universe is the same self-centred attitude that existed in the time when people thought the Earth was the centre of the solar system.
Even if you believe in God, why wouldn't God create more life elsewhere?
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss It's not self-centered, it's factual. I have no doubt that there is abundant life in the universe, but to get an advance intelligence like humans, a LOT of factors must be simultaneously in place. we're not too smart & not too stupid but human science can discover from the smallest light particle to the edges of the cosmos. it's unlikely to get such a complex machine like man with a self-awareness. my belief system is opposed to self-righteousness bc God is God, we're creatures.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
As I said the nearly impossible happens all the time in the vastness of the Universe. You might be surprised but it really is true.
But you didn't answer the question from a religious point of view. Why wouldn't God - who acts in mysterious ways - not create more life elsewhere?
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss "nearly impossible happens all the time" so according to the law of intentionality, wouldn't it be much more probable to say there is ultimate purpose, not chance? after all, every single solitary thing we've discovered in the universe holds purpose, why not ultimately? btw, I don't have a religious point of view. I do believe there's life elsewhere but the odds of there being human kind anywhere else are so rare, the age of the universe doesn't support the odds.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Did you see today's news?
"Nasa scientists find new life form on Earth"
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@blattt188
You said "I don't have a religious point of view". Perhaps not.
But by also saying "every single solitary thing we've discovered in the universe holds purpose" suggests you are still enthralled by the idea of the supernatural.
Often I find that arguments such as these can be easily resolved when you start thinking about the meaning of words being used.
To me the word "purpose" posits a self-aware being, like you and I, thinking about what they are doing and why.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss If every action has an opposite & equal reaction, there's no such thing as something that doesn't matter, at least not by primary laws. Its all just an endless array of cause & effect presences & voids. That's what I mean by "purpose." my brother & I were debating this the other day. I just think its irrational 2 say that everything holds purpose, but for no purpose. look @ ur computer; u can understand the *how* but the *why* comes only by revelation from the creator
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Hey, Blatt, your comments sound really cool but they don't actually make sense. Newtown's law of equal and opposite reaction is talking about the physical universe and that has now been superseded by quantum mechanics.
None of which has anything to do with an intangible, invisible, unmeasurable and non-existent creator. In any case, I thought you didn't have a religious point of view?
As I said, you are still enthralled by the idea of the supernatural.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss when you say "supernatural" you make it sound like fantasy. if our cosmos has a time-restriction, it's cause wouldn't have the same restriction & can't be limited to our laws. the nature of the cause may be fixed, but it's not bound by the laws that it ordained. the same, if you created a system, you would govern it by certain laws so it would preform a specific purpose of your own. you(your person) would be super-natural as it is not restricted to the natures of your creation.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Hey, Blatt. You said "when you say 'supernatural' you make it sound like fantasy."
Exactly. Something which is super-natural is, by definition, above or beyong nature. It is not supported by reality. It includes witchcraft, numerology, horoscopes, fairies and demons. None of these things exist.
This stuff is fun in Harry Potter movies. It is not real.
Unfortunately a lot of people have gone over to the Dark Side of superstition and fantasy. Like you apparently.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss "None of these things exist" of course they don't exist in our reality but if our reality has laws & a finite time-restriction, it had a cause. whatever the cause, it's not bound by the nature of it's own effect. it's just irrational to say that there is no ultimate purpose for such a rational system that holds purposes on every scale. I don't follow superstitions, I follow reason & I'm not afraid of wisdom. you say "the dark side" but you're the one afraid to look beyond self.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Hey, Blatt. You know that you're not making sense, don't you?
Reality, by definition, is REAL. All else is not real i.e. FANTASY.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss so what is your authority when determining reality?
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
You said "if our cosmos has a time-restriction, it's cause wouldn't have the same restriction & can't be limited to our laws".
That's illogical for all sorts of reasons.
(1) Time relates to things changing like our Universe growing bigger. If there is nothing then time is not there either.
(2) The Universe can come into existence without being created in the sense of having a supreme being saying Shazam.
(3) Even if there was a "creator" then who created the creator?
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss (1) I agree. Then whatever the cause of space-time must not have a time-restriction at all. (2) I don't believe in magic. Whatever the cause, it's intelligent. You can say that matter & energy is all there is but there's another factor to this reality: "information." we have time, space, matter, force & energy but all these knowables are governed by *informative laws* so they fulfill specific purposes. Information comes from intelligence. (3) see antithesis #1 lolz
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Hey Blatt. What you are saying is nonsense.
Information has many meanings including some which are technical and specific. It is not true that "information comes from intelligence". But it is true that "we derive meaning from information".
Nevertheless It is obvious that YOU believe in a supreme being which does not observe physical laws by being timeless, transcendent and immaterial.
But it's a crappy argument which side-steps the issue of how the creator was created.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss If you see a pile of plastic & copper, you may say that the matter & energy is just there with no purpose, but if you see plastic & copper formed into a computer, you don't assume "chance" as a creative force, you assume that some intelligence made the system with a specific purpose in mind. Idk why it's so difficult to grasp but it's foundational to the most basic of cause-effect reasoning. The God is eternal bc it can't be restricted by the space-time it began.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
You said "God is eternal".
It's a crappy and nonsensical assertion bc there is no evidence other than your inference that things MUST have a creator.
Richard Dawkins and others have already scotched that argument.
Except you don't believe it. Your loss, sorry.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss the fact that we're able to conceive of eternity is transcendent beyond anything material. Dawkins is a self-consumed foolish man blinded by pride & he uses his *personal* hate for God to deliberately espouse the creed of irrationality for whatever reason he has to be ashamed before God. watching ppl self-destruct & the innocent suffer everyday because selfish people get paid millions to spread lawlessness & chaos. he's just a Luciferian pawn & you have to be a fool to follow him
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
Hey, Blatt. You really should learn to write in shorter sentences.
I agree that Dawkins is arrogant. So what? So is Kent Hovind and he's in jail for fraud. What's important is the truth of what they are saying.
You pretend that you are open-minded but you are not. By talking about a "Luciferian pawn" you have exposed yourself as a theist in disguise.
I knew that. And said so.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss "theist in disguise" who said I was in disguise? you can be a monotheist without being religious. "open-minded" my thinking is sharply antithetical to error. I'm a total skeptic, not a gullible fool so I dont follow popular opinion, cultural relativism, or the fantasy of mind. Weather or not u believe in Luciferianism doesnt change the fact that the elitists do. The leaders of this system are Satanists, which is why masses can be so willfully irrational.
blattt188 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss, Is Kent Hovind in jail for fraud? I just thought he didnt pay his taxes. So who's right? Is it both?
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton
"Kent Hoving was charged . . . with 12 counts of willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over federal income taxes and FICA taxes, 45 counts of knowingly structuring transactions in federally insured financial institutions to evade reporting requirements, and one count of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws" (see Wikipedia).
Such offences are referred to as "tax fraud". So the answer is both, as you say.
patrickcorliss 11 months ago
@patrickcorliss btw I didn't say everything must have a creator but all things finite must have a cause & informative law comes from mind. Anybody like Dawkins who has to use arrogance, mockery, slander, scorn & all other manipulation tactics just to get a point across is unreliable as they are void of truth. truth is straight forward & it's absolute so u don't need deceptions for ppl to understand it. humans being hypocritical liars by nature will flee any truth that convicts.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
(4) When you say "its cause" referring to the beginning of the Universe, you are assuming that the Universe had a cause in the sense that something happened prior to the beginning of the Universe.
What exactly do you mean by that?
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patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss weather or not event(s) took place outside of space-time is a different thought. the fact is, it's a stretch to say that
"nobody x nothing= everything" that's magic! space-time is evidently finite so it had a cause. whatever caused it is not time-restricted since time itself is finite. whatever caused it is immaterial since matter is finite.
blattt188 1 year ago
@blattt188
By the way, Blatt. Your 88 word comment was almost one long sentence.
Apart from the first 10 words it didn't make any sense.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@blattt188
If you have a little time, I’d strongly recommend watching one of the most brilliant scientists in the world talking about the mystery of the Universe. It’s Lawrence Krauss. Even if you only understand a bit - like me - it will blow your mind.
On YouTube at watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@blattt188
What is "too stupid"? Hell, what is "too smart"?
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss
I actually used to believe that as a theist. The bible doesn't say anything about other planets - after all, the writers were clueless about them - so I figured, 'why wouldn't God start over at some other place and have us be the intergalactic pawns in the Satan vs God challenge?'
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
You said 'why wouldn't God start over at some other place and have us be the intergalactic pawns in the Satan vs God challenge?'
Saying "start over" might suggest that God got it wrong in the first place and I wouldn't expect theists to think that.
Nor would theists agree that God needed to make several 'test cases' in different parts of the Universe (although that's an interesting idea).
But why trillions of stars and only us with life in it?
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@patrickcorliss
I subscribed to the whole notion of mankind screwing it up, not God. And God just trying it again with another population, see if they don't mess up. Obviously you can't think things like that through too much, eh?
For the problem of evil (from another reply you made) it was just because the bet between Satan and God hadn't ended yet - and that we had to take a stand with God. Again - as a theist you can't think too hard about this.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
You say "God trying it again with another population" in order to "see if they don't mess up". Then you talked about thinking "things like that through".
I'm not sure what you mean about the second comment but atheists like me who are debating theistic arguments necessarily get trapped in their false logic.
God is supposed to be all-knowing and all powerful. I don't believe any of it. But those who do would say that God would know the outcome in advance.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
When you say "Obviously you can't think things like that through too much, eh?" I guess you're referring to theists generally.
Those who believe in the supernatural are not basing their belief on reality.
It is their "faith" in gods, demons, fairies, horoscopes, angels, Heaven and Hell, afterlife, souls, ghosts or anything else of a like nature.
You can't talk logically to people who have that world view. But you can highlight inconsistencies to confuse them.
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
In brief you were asking "Are we pawns in the Satan v. God challenge?"
Whilst I never thought in those terms, I guess that's what some Christians actually think. A galactic war between God and Satan. And we are the ones choosing who to follow using our God-given free will.
Hmm . . . interesting idea to lift it up a level.
Mostly Chistians look at it from the bottom-up (from the sinner's point of view) rather than top-down (from God's point of view).
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@laflugantabastardo
Any personification of evil makes God look stupid.
If God has got perfect foresight he would know that Satan was going to turn against him. And allowing Satan is obviously insane as it just allows chaos in the world.
Which is totally incompatible with a loving God.
On the other hand, not personifying evil makes God look weak. It shows that he can't control the forces of nature arrayed against him.
Hence why does God allow evil like earthquakes and disease?
patrickcorliss 1 year ago
@blattt188
Sure it's the only known planet that can have that, but what is your sample size? How many planets do you know?
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
Huge Ross also claims that Noah's flood was only local.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The indeterminate nature of the Hebrew word for beginning allows, but doesn't prove ages...
The word Yom as used for day is generally interpreted as 24 yr days by Jews.
The "need" for the earth's rotation is subjective, and inconclusive...but would still denote 24 hrs. regardless...
The relative nature of time allows for a literal interpretation of the Genesis acct...
as Dr. Gerald Schroedherr (physicist and Jew) relates in his videos...on Knowheretorun's Youtube channel.
God is God.
KnightsofTrueNorth 2 years ago
I would like to point out that the hebrew word for day is like unto the english word day, in that its meaning is largely dependent on context.
arktheball 2 years ago
Thank you for sound argumentation.
abrimestome 2 years ago
Some people may think this is weird, but I think the Earth-centered model and the Sun-centered model could both be correct, because it depends on the point of view, regardless of gravity, mass, weight,etc. If you're on the Sun, the Earth rotates around you, if you're on Earth the Sun rotates around you, I think both views are correct because they depend on the position (relativity) I think this is also right about the movement of the objects themselves. Anyway, that's my opinion. Great vid!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Um you'r edumb if you see it from the view outside the solar ystem looking at it you'll see the Earth rotating around the sun. Come on didnt you go to school?
Parkrose21 2 years ago
that's right it's another view point and it's valid, just like ours (here on Earth) and again, the Bible is written for HUMANS and humans live on this planet called EARTH. "Come on didn't you study relativity?" In fact the Bible was written TO humans who lived thousands of years ago, I think the Bible is scientific but it's not a science manual, it has much much much more important information than that. Btw I just got back from a vacation. It was pretty cool! Peace be with you!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
MavericKLongRange - "Anyway, that's my opinion." I am so glad your opinion on the matter is not REQUIRED or needed. Since humans started working on facts and not opinion we have managed to leap to the stars. Thanks world for not allowing opinions like that of this mans influence the world.
mattyabsley 2 years ago
Hope you enjoy the stars then, and too bad then the world allowed opinions like those of Darwin, Stalin, Hitler, Bush, several Popes, etc to influence the world. And yeah "keep trusting the WORLD" - it used to believe the Earth was flat, now it believes that we evolved from animals, that homosexuality is ok and that every religion is ultimately true...
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
MavericKLongRange - Shhh puppy, don't get so angry at the word. I know, I know, it must be hard for you to not be important or special, to be ignored and basically have all of your opinions rejected. But hey, just think the amount of good that comes out of it, I get to live my life free from your bullshit, how great is that ;-) Now don't fret. You don't have to endure life forever, just a few more years and it will all be over.
mattyabsley 2 years ago
It's sad that you think you're funny...
You're not my enemy though, you're a fellow man, I hope you find the Truth! Peace :)
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mattyabsley 2 years ago
Listen, I do hope you find the Truth, but I don't wanna argue with you, it seems to me that this is what you want, but I'm not gonna give it to you, I don't like to argue, especially when there is a 99% probability that neither of us will change our stance. I mean you come here and throw your stuff at me, you know I'm a Christian and I don't hate you for that, and you just keep going. I don't want to argue with you if nothing's gonna change accept the heat of the debate... Peace and goodbye :)
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
As i said. SINCE the world STOPPED listening to opinion over fact men have reached the stars. It is no coincidence that these achievments have been in defiance of bible thumpers and their beliefs. No wonder they get upset, nearly every discovery in the world contradicts the desert stories of 2000 year old ignorant men. Best you get a new religion bible thumper. Perhaps one of the other 9,999 that you ignore without giving suitable explanation why to anyone, or yourself.
mattyabsley 2 years ago
So the reason Nephilimfree responded to this video is because of that picture of him in this part...
tgz1000 2 years ago
No he responded to the first 2 parts and called me blasphemous and stuff - so I put his picture in this one as playful jab back, I don't have any hard feelings about it but he is wrong.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
But if God was still resting,then how could he have descended upon Earth as Jesus and guide the Israelites back home?
Lazaro305201 2 years ago
When you have to deny scripture to support secular pseudoscience, you knwo something is wrong.
NephilimFree 2 years ago
Thanks again and again.
JAMRAND 2 years ago
loved this one man, one of your best in my opinion! keep it up man and god bless!
badass1163 2 years ago
Of course i agree that truth is more important than tradition. But when the Bible starts talking about years of prople's lives, um i think that you can chronologically predict how long weve been here.(as humans). Second, i don't think i agree that Adam CANT name all of the Animals in one day... Why not? HE WAS PERFECT! GOD HIMSELF gave him all the knowledge about planet earth and the laws of the Universe. So i do think that Adam was capable of naming the Animals in one day. Don't you?
JRocka114 2 years ago
Hi J I gave you the calculation if he spent 2 seconds on each animal he could do it in 10 hours but when did he have time to do all the rest of the things plus Eve then? I just don't think it was meant to be a 24 hour day.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Hmmmmm... I see. Ill respect that view. I think naming the animals was a priority first before he started tending after the garden and stuff like that. I think that when he said "AT LAST!" he racted out of the number of different animals he named. not how much time he spent naming them.
JRocka114 2 years ago
@bigwhammyRocksYOU ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU ARTICULATE THAT WICH U CONVEY.BUT@9:09THE CREATION OF ANIMALS/MAN MAY HAVE BEEN INSTANTANEOUS.4 GOD TO PROMISE EVE TO ADAM WAS LIKELY SECONDS."@LEAST 15,000 SPECIES"?THERE WERE NO "SPECIES" AT THAT TIME.THEY WERE "KINDS"& MAY HAVE BEEN FEWER THAN WHAT WE OBSERVE AS "SPECIES" TODAY.ADAM DIDN'T HAVE TO"SEARCH 4 A MATE".GOD BROUGHT THE ANIMALS UP FROM THE GROUND BEFORE HIM.CREATION OF EVE M.H.B. MINS.@LAST AFTER NAMING ANI.ALL DAY,EVE
destroytheNWO2d 1 year ago
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CBALLEN 9 months ago
@bigwhammyRocks I've often wondered,do you think Adam's length of life was counted from his creation,or from the time he sinned when death entered the world? I have wondered about this and if Adam and Eve had blood as their life giving substance before the fall,since Eve was called bone of my bone flesh of my flesh,without blood being mentioned,the same words Jesus used to describe the difference between His self and a spirit when He was in His resurrected body,when life was in the Spirit?
CBALLEN 9 months ago
Man your videos regarding this subject are awesome, very interesting. Thank you. :)
God bless you
Complex1989 2 years ago
You say that God is "outside" time. So if God is outside time, how does that affect creation when God walks with man and covers them in his glory?
If telomeres are programmed cell death, why not the garden of Eden itself be like a hyperbolic chamber where man does not die and is "outside" time?
It could very well be 7 literal days of creation from an earthly perspective while relativity makes light and time pass differently across space.
jaimekid 2 years ago
Why not man enter the second law of thermodynamics outside Eden but be exempt inside?
jaimekid 2 years ago
The RC Church held the prevailing scientific view of the day. Galileo was publishing a new theory. It was not the literal view of Scripture which made the RC Church wrong. It was the Aristotelian view of the solar system, a pagan philosophy much like the Darwinism of today. In fact, the church did not take the bible literally. And like PCs they were adapting the bible to the current pagan science. Hugh Ross=Galileo? no.
theologymattrz 2 years ago
Chris, I really appreciate all the great work you are doing for our LORD JESUS.
sincitypreacher 2 years ago
BWR...
I am a young earth creationist. You have to remember, ALL things are possible with GOD.
So a 7 day reality is possible. When God created the plants on day 3, how would they last a long period of time till the sun was created on day 4? I believe this account is very literal. Yes He is out side our time domain as He sees the beginning and the end.
Chuck Missler and Ken Hovind both have very good statistical data on this subject. Blessing Siblings!
1jenstand 2 years ago
Chuck Missler believes in millions of years dear. He advocates a version of the Gap theory in which the earth was flooded twice. That's why it was covered in water in Gen 1:2. I tend to believe that too. I have studied a lot with Chuck :)
Day 7 is still going on today according to the book of Hebrews. The literal reading of Genesis is that the Sun was created "in the Beginning" and day 4 is God assigning purpose. There's a different verb used.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Okay, HOW did God create plants. Did He do it himself, did he subcontract, did he wave his hands and the plants suddenly appeared? Did he build them cell by cell, superfast? Tell me how you see it in your mind. This is key. I tend to think that if it were just a matter of things instantly popping into existence, there would be no reason for doing it over a period of 6 days. Or resting on the 7th. There must be some sort of process going on here. Tell me your opinion on the matter.
odinata 2 years ago
"HOW did God create plants"
Intelligent design! I guess the seed cam first because in the text it says...
"And God said, Let the earth sprout vegetation,"
This the same verb דָּשָׁא or "sprout" used elsewhere for normal plant growth.
cdputnam 2 years ago
Why would you suppose that the seed cam first? Seeds are not mentioned. Sprouts are mentioned. Describe to me how you envision these first sprouts coming into being.
odinata 2 years ago
Well "usually" sprouts come from seeds don't they? Hmmmm are you trying to imply this was an "unusual" situation? Likemaybe they popped up real fast? It's possible they did. But why assume that?
Since you opened the door to unusual is much less contrived (you needn't violate God's laws f nature) to assume that the word "day" was not a "usual" length of time...
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
And usually people come from non-virgin wombs--not ribs, new species arise, etc.
All observable phenomenon in nature take place over time--sometimes very large periods of time. The literal Creationism tells of something quite different. I am looking for the most detailed description of "Creation Science" I can get from Christians.
How do Creationists picture the Creation?
What are the mechanics of it?
I certainly think the Bible speaks metaphorically about the creation. how 'bout you?
odinata 2 years ago
I think you have to be keenly aware it was written in Hebrew to an ancient Hebrew reader. Not in English to people with modern sensibilities. Its more about what happened and why than how it happened and when.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Well I feel that I am keenly aware that it is ancient Hebrew mythology, and that is why I support science being taught in schools, and I oppose creationism being taught as science.
I think I understand what you are implying by the "What and why" rather than the "how and when". Its refreshing to hear a Christian admit that the Bible is not a science book.
The Universe is billions of years old. Evolution happens. Does that mean we can't worship God?
odinata 2 years ago
"Does that mean we can't worship God? "
Absolutely not, the problem is on both sides. You have agnostics like Dick Dawkins who claim to have proof there is no God from science and then you have YEC claiming that based on genealogies in the Bible you can prove the world is 6000 years old. Both are wrong. But God is real and there are eternal consequences so its not a trivial matter.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
The problem is really only one sided. The Earth is not 6000 years old. End of story. Now, people like Richard Dawkins (atheist, not agnostic) do not claim to have proof that there is no God--they claim that there is no proof for God. Any God. Yours. Mine. Muslim. Hindu. Whatever. Of course, these people are correct. You may claim God is real, but I know your idea of God and mine are different. I don't believe in Hebrew mythology. There is no proof of an "afterlife".
odinata 2 years ago
Right and Dawkins claim is completely with out merit. He's an ignoramus when it comes to God which means without knowledge. There are very compelling evidences for God in science and philosophy an many very very intelligent men are pastors clergy preachers. To just ignore all of this is disingenious.
There's a lot of proof for an after life as well, you really ought to do some research before falling for the arguments of a self confessed ignoramus like Mr dawkins.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
He's actually quite smart. But enough about him. I knew the Bible stuff was hogwash long before I had heard of Dr. Dawkins. And the real point here is that all the ramblings of all the pastors, preachers, Kent Hovinds, Hugh Ross's,could never make me believe in fairytales such as Noah's Ark,Jesus rose from the dead, Adam's rib making Eve, Jesus Born of a virgin, Heaven, Hell, Beasts with 7 horns, on and on. Its calle a "myth" And theres not one single shred of evidence that any of it's true
odinata 2 years ago
He might be a good zoo keeper at Oxford but he's a dullard in philosophy. The God Confuison is so trite that a 15 year old kid on youtube has soundly refuted it. So not too impressive. But enough about him.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
You are right that none of those things will ever make you believe. Only God can do that. We just try to give him something to work with because I can remember what it was like to be like you.
I was hostile to it and thought it was fairy tales too up until 9 years ago. Now I am more sure of Gods existence than anything of this world. Because God chose to reveal himself to me.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
How did God reveal himself to you?
odinata 2 years ago
Many ways... it stared by circumstances. I kept ending up in situations that had great significance in a strange thematic personal way that only someone reading my mind would know. Its too weird for me to expect you to see it as evidence. But that is why Christians give their testimonies to each other - we know. It is undeniable when it happens. My personality changed and the bible starts to make sense - it didn't before. Like a veil was lifted. It sounds wacky but it is absolutely true.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Thank you for that insight.
I hope you can understand that this process can happen in many ways--it will be be different for different people. These are not matters where "proof" or "evidence" are valid principles. That is the realm of science. They are necessary when we ask questions like "How old is the Earth?" "How did life arise?", etc, etc. Bronze Age mythology can't answer those questions. But it can, and has, set us on the path to learn more about these issues.
odinata 2 years ago
Great conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
LeJamesPe 2 years ago
@bigwhammyRocks wow this guy is fuckin nuts
D0012D13 1 year ago
I agree with 1jenstand. If this is still the 7th day, then we shouldn't have to work. We should all be resting until the 7th day is over. C'mon people. When is a day a day? God can do anything! He has infinite power and it is very clear that the earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour periods. Stop trying to buddy up to the evolutionists. God Bless each one of you, but please trust the Bible. It's all true. (Read only the King James version, if you speak english.)
Rekcin 2 years ago
Your disagreement is with the Holy Spirit speaking through the apostle Paul in the Book of Hebrews which says we enter into Gods Sabbath rest.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
How can a local flood kill all the land creatures on Earth ? beause God said he will destroy everything he created...
gloriousgod 2 years ago
We know not how remote the period of the creation of this globe may be—certainly many millions of years before the time of Adam. Our planet has passed through various stages of existence, and different kinds of creatures have lived on its surface, all of which have been fashioned by God. "
~ Pastor Charles Spurgeon 1855
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Could I say That am a unknown age earth creationist. I do not the like young earth or old earth positions on age.
spark300c 2 years ago
I don't claim to know either. I just don;lt think we need to pick fights with science when its not necessary. Especially since the best data now supports a creation event.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
maybe you people should open a science book and see what is really going on in nature.
errskin 2 years ago
Why do you assume faith precludes science errskin? Did you not just hear a creationist argue sor a "billions of years" scenario regarding Earth's begining?
thehistorysage 2 years ago
anybody who has faith in anything rejects science.
errskin 2 years ago
What an absurd statement. All of science takes it's root from faith. Need I list the thousands upon thousands of inacurate scientific statements that have ben quashed over the years? Where were they all derived from? Certainly not good scientific evidence. For that matter what did Darwin himself go on before he had any evidence? Faith is pervasive in humanity.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
We gotta wait for the forth one huh !? Maaannn!!!
yrulooknatme 2 years ago
bigwhammyRocks,
you made an excellent point that even if the universe is old, it doesn't mean that God couldn't have created it for not so long ago.
That was the most reasonable I have heard in a long time about God being outside of time, which usually is totally nonsensical.
Good work, looking forward to hear more from you
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
Thank you. Special relativity is cool isn't it?
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I'm not a YEC, but I know that they would tell you that because of the verse "let there be light" the Sun didn't get created until day 4.
My recommendation is to keep reading St. Augustine!! He goes onto explain how the creation story is very much a simplified allegory, and how even things like the change and evolution of life does not contradict scripture.
Theologica37 2 years ago
God explains why it was dark on day one in Job. "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...When I made a cloud its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band" (Job 38:4-9)
God was hovering over the waters, "let their be light" was when he opened the thick atmosphere up to see the sun & stars that were formed "in the beginning"
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
a good study the hebrew word for forever...dont forget to research it in the evil talmud for some insight into how they interpited it....
MikeGram101 2 years ago
the term, "for an age" or "of the ages" is often translated as forever, everlasting, or eternal in English. The same word used for "eternal" in the bible was the word used for the length of time that Jonah was in the "whale". Is Jonah still in the belly of a big fish? I think not.
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
who knows what holocaust means in hebrew!
MikeGram101 2 years ago
It means "whole burnt offering", MikeGram in GREEK. Hebrew is "olah" So in Greek it's a compound word made of transliterated "olah" and "kaustos" which in Greek means "burnt".
brainouty 2 years ago
OH NOES! You looked up the Hebrew meaning to a word in the Bible!!! You know what that means dont you? You're not saved & you're goin to hell forever and ever! (eye roll) Love ya bro
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago 3
I've just been called a "saved heretic" because I use the Hebrew meaning to a word and also because I use the Hebrew name for God and Jesus. Shalom
theheat151 2 years ago
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ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
One thing I've learned in my experiences in life, is that, although there is a vast amount of stupidity and ignorance in the world, nobody says to themselves, "man, I'm pretty stupid". Everybody thinks they know it all, even when they have to make half of it up. Touche`
Shalom
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
I can't believe that people think all those events happened in 24 hours. OBVIOUSLY the word day means a period of time. God created all the animals and Adam named them all the same day! This was probably 100 years or more - who knows. Date setting is just wrong.
OriginalRiffMeister 2 years ago
It does seem rather obvious if you take the time to add up what happens on the 6th day. Sadly many Christians don't bother to think critically. We are called too use reason not just blindly accept things. Thanks for commenting.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I would have to go with 1,000. The bible says that a day to Him is 1,000 yrs.
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
Exactly! ...let the Bible interpret the Bible instead of extrapolations.
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8)
I think it implies the general idea that time is inconsequential to an eternal God. Its trivial to him.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
When people base their beliefs on the doctrine that they were raised hearing, they often shut out any knowledge that doesn't fit into that box. If you read the bible in its original form, most of what we were lead to believe, was merely regional doctrine, most often used to control the masses. Great video by the way, but I get tired of telling you that :oP
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago 5
It's unfortunate that some Christians are abusing scripture by date setting the creation. If God wanted date setting he would have told us the date. Date setting always results in heresy and problems like Galileo. This young earth thing is a sad example of date setters gone overboard.
ObamanationRising 2 years ago 3