Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia
Jan Esper. "The new reconstruction is based on 578 maximum latewood density profiles from living and sub-fossil Pinus sylvestris samples from northern Sweden and Finland. The record provides evidence for substantial warmth during Roman and Medieval times, larger in extent and longer in duration than 20th century warmth. "
BTW it's refreshing to see you now accept that there was in fact a Medieval Warm Period that exceeded modern temperatures without catastrophic global warming ensuing with massive releases of methane that destroyed all life as we know it.
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Great news for all inhabitants of this insignificant spheroid.
@PrairleDogged There's a pretty massive difference between a "MWP" as you postulate and regional warm events which your cited studies demonstrate. Like I said, have you got a global or at least Northern Hemisphere study to prove a MWP that fits your contentions? Until then, you've got regional stuff.
That there was a MWP isn't debated much, there just isn't much evidence of a northern hemisphere wide or global event that is warmer than today.
@PrairleDogged Massive methane release? At today's temperatures? You should try reading some actual science and not the sad claims of the high priests of denial who you so blindly follow.
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
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Warm = Snow ~ not according to common sense and this senior climate scientist.
~ Met Office temperatures will drop as low as -6C (21.2F) tomorrow and on Thursday, when daytime maximums will be no more than 3C (37.4F). Severe weather warnings for ice were also issued for last night ~ this morning across eastern parts of England and Scotland, and Northern Ireland, south-west England and south Wales.
Police in Devon and Cornwall have warned motorists in some parts of the region not to travel unless it is essential after snowfall over the higher areas of Exmoor and Dartmoor.
" Comparison of the new timeseries with five existing tree-ring based reconstructions from northern Scandinavia revealed synchronized climate fluctuations but substantially different absolute temperatures."
Level offset among the various reconstructions in extremely cold and warm years (up to 3 °C) and cold and warm 30-year periods (up to 1.5 °C) are in the order of the total temperature variance of each individual reconstruction over the past 1500 to 2000 years.
"The first century AD was the warmest 100-year period (+ 0.60 °C on average relative to the 1951–1980 mean) of the Common Era, more than 1 °C warmer than the coldest 14th century AD (− 0.51 °C). The warmest and coldest reconstructed 30-year periods (AD 21–50 = + 1.05 °C, and AD 1451–80 = − 1.19 °C) differ by more than 2 °C, and the range between the five warmest and coldest reconstructed summers in the context of the past 2000 years is estimated to exceed 5 °C."
@PrairleDogged these AGW wonks will just deny your info cuz it doesn't fit their scam. i mean look at ruggy, trying to say human co2 starts forest fires....it's totally ridiculous.
‘It could be much more difficult than we thought to feed everyone in a warmer world. Satellite images of northern India have revealed that extreme temperatures are cutting wheat yields. What's more, models used to predict the effects of global warming on food supply may have underestimated the problem by a third’
@blackadderthe4 You need to look at the bigger picture, in such a scenario vast amounts of land in northern latitudes/higher latidues in Asia,,Russia and Canada woulld become available for crop use.The premise of this article is bogus,just more fearmongering climate bs propaganda that needs to be hastily despatched down waste disposal.
'vast amounts of land in northern latitudes/higher latidues' and I take it they are suitable for cultivatiopn? Even so 1 gets you 50 it will not be a simple change over!
There was global cooling, then it started warming, now it's cooling again, and while this one seems it will be a mini ice age (this happens in cycles of on off changing every few hundred years) for a while it will eventually start to warm again, and we will start the whole thing over again. This is nothing more then the weather changing. Our entire solar system is experiencing the same thing, and I don't see any SUVs on mars.
@d3ltadrive "this one seems it will be a mini ice age"
Aahahahahahahahahahaha....yeah sure. The warmest decade on record and it's a mini ice age. Despite a low solar cycle and strong La Ninas every temp record we have shows a warming trend over the past 15 years. But I see you trust a tiny amount of data from other worlds rather than data from earth and satellite measurements of the sun. By the way we know why some planets are warming but we also know that some aren't.
@rugbyguy59 By the way that 'warmest decade crap' you like to repeat peddle is just that.The temperatures you speak of are indexed linked meaning they have error margins either way.Which means in 'reality' the 2000s are just as likely to have cooler than the 1930s or the 1890s.And what about all the other decades which we have no data for,did you ever think of that gullible one.
"The temperatures... have error margins either way"
No, skanky.
The NOAA lists the 2000's as being 0.513 degrees C above the 1951-1980 mean with a margin of error of .07.
1990's 0.313
1980's 0.176
So either your math is as bad as "gamblinman/badvagirl" or you're so deep down the rabbit hole of authoritarian lunacy, numbers just don't mean what they do to the rest of us.
Either way, us thinking people will believe NASA, NOAA, WMO and JMO.
@ezeeskank Othes have shown you're wrong about the error bars and what that means for this being the warmest decade on record. It seems you really don't understand error bars or much else. As for the "other decades" note the phrase "on record." Not asking you to be gullible but if you were honest it would help a lot.
just a statistic, 99.7% of all legitament scientists believe global warming is real, and .15% of scientists were payed by oil companies to spread there message.
@Paflos "some thousands of scientists once asked for a debate with the global warmalists to prove their theories of the man made global warming". Look out! The walls are mellllttttiinggggg...
Sorry deniers, there is a scientific consensus on this. An overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change.
It should be reiterated that people do need to take personal responsibility for the environment and to be informed to take meaningful action in our democracies.
Its a bummer Glenn Beck isnt on the air anymore. This kind of education is priceless. Without it, people might have to take personal responsibility for themselves and our environment
Lets see, how do i decide if global warming is real, manmade, and threatening our species...i could use my common sense (five miles of breathable oxygen over our heads and millions of tons of pollutants entering it everyday), or i can rely on experts (97% percent of the world's scientists in agreement for, 100% of Fox News' audience against)
Snowy owls soar south from Arctic in rare mass migration
An especially plentiful supply of lemmings last season likely led to a population boom among owls that resulted in each breeding pair hatching as many as seven offspring
He said snowy owl populations are believed to be in an overall decline, possibly because a changing climate has lessened the abundance of vegetation like grasses that lemmings rely on.
@DP3mo24hofosho of course climate change is real...the climate has always changed so this is no great scientific discovery! i bet it will change again too....wanna put $10 on it?
@badvagirl Climate is always changing, everything is in a state of constant change (duh?), but human activities are accelerating it. Arguing with deniers is like arguing with Evangelicals about evolution or that the earth is billions of years old, not thousands. But you of course are lying on purpose to serve the financial interests of your corporate masters
@Nightversionn wow, you trot out all the scammer crap when ur challenged to provide backup for ur silly allegations. you say i'm a denier, an evangelical, i don't believe in evolution, or the age of the earth...yad yada yada....
all i ever did was ask you for proof that humans are doing anything to the climate....that's all...what, an evangelical can't ask for proof? what about a hindu? a muslim?
can anyone ask you for proof?...oh, but u don't have any, do ya?
@blackadderthe4 BLACKIE!!! hey, where ya been, measuring glaciers at the queer bar?? so did the blood test turn out negative for AIDS??? i hope so. u need to stay away from YKAS...no telling what's been up his patoot...use protection.
what a silly question, which is best, warm or cold? here's a hint...how many people are farming at the south pole?
'how many people are farming at the south pole?' and howmany are farming in the middle of the Sahara? So what's best warm or cold? Or is it a goldilocks climate? Now take a few days to think about it and don't wear the grey matter out!
'more farming is being done there' just like at the South Pole! Oh foolish creature, what ignorance is this which torments you? - Dante Alighieri. PS still think Mary was a virgin? In your dreams!
Behold the complacent tricksters who have nothing to lose because they think they will be dead before the shit hits the fan
they just wanna burn more oil and are stalling for time
to anyone below 30(& probably lots of u who are older) you will live long enough & it won't be pretty. If you think the earth is an inherently stable system that is wishful thinking of the highest order
Behold the alarmist pinheads peacefrog,yourkids and nightversionn.Spongebrains who have been fooled into thinking the climate is going to go crazy because of co2.These three jokers are a perfect example of how malliable the human mind is when bombarded by years of indoctrination thru education,media and entertainment.Maybe another 20 years of failed climate disaster predictions from the climate models and from extremists like Hansen will wake them from their slumber.
@23peacefrog It doesn't matter to the deniers how many billion dollar disasters happen in a short period of time in line with climate predictions, the scientists and all the people experiencing disasters right now are all part of the conspiracy
@23peacefrog So all that happened 60-80+ years ago, how was it not human caused global warming back then, but it is now. Seems to me, that all of your dates just prove it happens all the time. I bet that weather back then was the worst in 60 years too. The earth obviously changes temp all the time, and to think that humans could kill the 4.5 billion year old earth in less than 200 years is just funny. The earth was a ball of ice at one time...Things change here.
(Please read article before the DENIER with all the SOCK PUPPET ACCOUNTS censors it)..
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Flooding is biggest climate risk to UK, report says
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Flooding will be Britain's biggest climate risk this century, with damage set to cost as much as 12 billion pounds a year by the 2080s if nothing is done to adapt to extreme weather, a report said on Thursday.
CO2 one of the building blocks of a productive ecology.
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“Experiments conducted in places like the U.S and Europe, where scientists pumped extra amounts of carbon dioxide gas into forests, did seem to show that such ‘carbon dioxide fertilization,’ caused plants to grow better—up to a point,” says Nemani."
" Scientists and environmental policy decision makers across the world want to know what is happening to all the carbon in the carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere through fossil fuel and biomass burning, such as forest fires or firewood used as fuel. If carbon dioxide is “food” for plants, maybe more of it in the atmosphere caused plants to grow better."
"Changes in rainfall, temperature and sunlight between 1982 and 1999 increased the overall productivity of land plants by 6 percent. This map shows productivity increases in green, while decreases are shown in brown. Productivity increased the most in tropical regions, where climate change resulted in fewer clouds and more sunlight. [Image by Robert Simmon, NASA Earth Observatory, based on data provided by the University of Montana Numerical Terradynamic Simulations Group (NTSG)]"
moron, did you see the record heat in texas and the rest of the country the last two years, look up texas drought, new mexico wilfires, geogia drought with 2010 2011 in the search terms, fools!
NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th ...
NASA - NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record
Question for you: how much more co2 would there need to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature? Rough guess will do(& don't worry I AM aware that co2 is not flammable)
@23peacefrog "how much more co2 would have to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature?"
actually, the correct question should be 'how much warmer does it have to get to increase the co2 level in the atmosphere since warmer precedes rise in co2'. and i don't know the answer to that....do you?
i think a good question for you is 'how much co2 would we have to take OUT of the atmosphere to cause a decrease in temperature?
and, why in hell would you want to make it colder?
Photosynthesis has converted all man is additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No possible effect on the weather. Which has been cooling since 1998. Of into 100 leading American academics.
Photosynthesis converts additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. Man made climate change is fiction from nuclear power: and there is no reason to believe nuclear fiction!
Ener1, some kind of whacky battery company that got $118 million from the yomamma crapulous went under. of course, the $118 million was borrowed from china 7 we still have to pay the interest on that debt.
the "green energy" scam is worse than the AGW scam.
Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000. Local levels in cities have no effect. Global warming is fiction from nuclear power and the stupid. You were taught about photosynthesis age 14 the
@JonThm Hey, the great thing about science, and in this case the science of man-made climate change, is that it's true, whether you choose to believe in it or not!
"Earth Day is a creation of the left, a pagan holiday devoted to fashioning a Socialist/Marxist world, even while Marx is being discredited across the globe." (Human Events, 4-28-90)
In China, the true cost of Britain’s clean, green wind power experiment:
"This toxic poisonous desert that remains is destroying the lives of Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what’s left behind after making the magnets for Britain’s latest wind turbines is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem. Britain’s government should be ashamed of the catastrophe taking place in China in the name of green power here in the UK."
You want me to define a poor person? Why? Is poverty a difficult concept for you to understand? It gives me a headache sinking down to your level
As for being responsible for them? Nah I ain't responsible for poor people pal just seems to me the very least I can do is give the tiniest shit about them but then that is the difference between me & people like you
"Given the slow rate of forest extension observed thus far, coupled with the climatic, edaphic and ecological factors, it is difficult to envision that the anticipated northward forest expansion and development of new forest communities as projected by model experiments in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (2004) would be completed by AD 2100. Developing a clearer understanding of the potential rate of response of the northern boreal forest and treeline zone is a critical area for research."
@PrairleDogged Very good Prairie, you can find some peer review, but as usual it's a nice cherry pick. If you look at Mann 2009 you see that he does have the Kola Peninsula as an ware that was warm during the MWP. It may have been about the same as the 1990s maybe even today.
So why more trees? Likely because that period lasted for a century or so. Today's warming is just getting started.
What do you think, other than you ability to chery pick, your MWP obsession proves?
The paper covered the Holocene and the MWP two separate periods so not just cherry picking one tree like your buddy did ~ what was it's number again? I forgot.
So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story and that still does not dislodge you from your blinkered and stubborn stance on the farcical mirage of CAGW ~ now what does that prove?
@PrairleDogged "So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story"
Except, of course, it doesn't as we know Mann and the other dozen hockey sticks look at global averages, not a regional event like your paper
What does it prove if your paper doesn't make me think like you? It proves I read the actual claims of a paper, know what they mean and not try to expand their meaning to fit my political needs. In other words it shows I'm smarter than you
On the Khibiny uplands located in the central Kola Peninsula, radiocarbon dates from Pinus stumps and forest palaeosols indicate that the treeline was located 100–140m higher in elevation than today during the MWP (between ca AD 600 and 1300 in this case). Forest has yet to recolonize these elevations (Kremenetski et al. 2004).
...cont "In both the Kola and the adjacent northern Fennoscandia, there is evidence for the continuous presence of P. sylvestris trees at their current northern range limits for at least several hundred years prior to the twentieth-century warming. In addition, there are similar patterns of enhanced recruitment in the eighteenth and twentieth centuries in both regions"
Climate change and the northern Russian treeline zone
G.M MacDonald et al
"Dendroecological studies indicate enhanced conifer recruitment during the twentieth century. However, conifers have not yet recolonized many areas where trees were present during the MWP or the Holocene Thermal Maximum ( 10000–3000 years ago). Reconstruction of tree distributions during the HTM suggests that the future position of the treeline due to global warming may approximate its former Holocene maximum position."
There r 2 reasons why people talk about an increase in these events being caused by a warmer earth
1 because they are!
2 because there is a (depressing) move towards appealing to people's self interest on this issue because
Unfortunately there are many selfish, ignorant scumbags like you in the western world who do not care about nature, animals, foreigners, poor people or future generations
Just another sideshow as we wait for the shit to hit the
@23peacefrog hey froggy you may have chickenlittle syndrome thats a shame as it is known to impair judgement and critical thinking.Or maybe you can present unequivocal evidence that climate sensivity to anthro co2 is high,and that it causes extreme weather events?
@ezeeskank Why should peacefrog present those things? The IPCC doesn't present a high climate sensitivity scenario. It's compilation of the available studies indicates a sensitivity of 2 to 4.5C per doubling with the most likely value of 3C. There are studies with high sensitivity like 7C but that isn't the consensus. Of course the low "no worries" case is non-existent.
AGW doesn't "cause" extreme weather it simply makes them more likely. The evidence for this is readily available on-line.
Please Google this and stfu about natural weather events ok?
'A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events James A. Marusek '
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You may wish to see that Nightversion'n' gets a copy too as she is also intellectually challenged and suffers the same Green mist as you do ~ have an Ice day and enjoy the reading.
Photosynthesis has converted all mankind's additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No effect on the weather possible! The natural climate has been cooling since 1998 anyway!
I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax for past climate changes? there must be a crimate model that can pin them on our consumerism and decadence.
@JonThm Wow, and that doesn't disprove the consensus of the scientific community that global warming is happening and human activity is accelerating it.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it ;)
some of you never understand HUMANS have ONLY been around during the 10,000 year of the NON ICE Age time line in the climate cycle between Ice ages etc.. you have NO concept of whats really going on do you ... even the samples from ICE, Soil and such from History of Earths time line are just guild lines not fact as they very from country to country and still raise questions why this or that happen.. PLS stop being used by the Dem's EPA Agenda that has been proven to have NON PHD's "fake PHD's"!
some of you ppl are just too wild and over the deep end! LOL I bet you watch them late night info ads on TV and buy all that snake oil type of cure all stuff LOL
Please type into Google "Digging into the core: The cold truth about CO2" to see my article on global warming and why the IPCC have grossly exaggerated the predicted warming from CO2.
I accept that the media "generally" tend to sensationalise things. Even the BBC, bless them, tend to hype things up during their relatively educational offerings. I'm not sure how debunking the media somehow translates to undermining the IPCC and the scientific studies. It just smells too strongly of either political agenda or wishful thinking. There are many commenters below focussing on single factors (like CO2). How can such people presume to have a rational opinion on such complex issues?
Sorry deniers, but an overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change. Also, there exist tens of thousands of papers from thousands of scientists working over the past decades to prove beyond all reasonable doubts that human are changing the atmosphere...
@Nightversionn with all those 10s of 1000s of papers & scientists, a reasonable person would think that someone could come up with some evidence that AGW is doing anything to the planet.
these same scientists say that the climate has been stable for 100s of years & one of the IPCC's head climate gurus says we are entering a period of global cooling!!
funny how u believed him when he said warming but not when he said cooling.
y'all are hilariously stupid...but always good for a few laughs.
@23peacefrog that was "ur" in the plural sense...like all y'all...
y'all read from the same play book so between the fake IDs & the AGW playbook crap, it does get confusing.
so, ya got any evidence of man made GW or have you given up on that & just gone full time to the personal attack approach?
and yeah, i am way waaaaayyyyyy waaaayyyyyy smarter than you...ur the one that has to resort to personal attack cuz u lack the intellectual firepower to debate me honestly..
@23peacefrog i'm way smarter than u, bub. when i back y'all into a corner, do u admit ur full of crap (as we all know you are)?? no, u launch a personal attack like u just did.
when i totally debunk ur more forest fires, more intense snow & floods BS, do u ever say to urself, "gee, i must be a total like epic dope"? no, u just keep on with more BS. are you interested in the truth?
or are u just an ignorant fool who has no regard for truth or facts? (i'll go with ignorant fool).
1st year Tax rates on new cars ~ not content with ripping the shit out of vehicle owners with fuel duty they have another slice of the cake ~ Exxon / BP etc eat your hearts out you are only novices at this Big Oil for profit game 186-200 CO2 emission (g/km) £445.00 201-225 CO2 emission (g/km) £580.00 226-255 CO2 emission (g/km) £790.00 Over 255 CO2 emission (g/km) £1,000.00 . Yep that is £1000.00 road tax to put your new car on the road (the CO2 portion) plus other taxes of course.
The scientist are the ones creating the illusion on the back of government grants ~ the FOIA emails have plenty of references to the art ~ but then they've been conveniently greenwashed for the "cause"
Is tax relief a subsidy? does the IRS subsidise you by giving you allowances? asshole !!
You bitch like a six year old little girl about all the taxes you pay, but "think" it's just dandy that oil companies benefits from the infrastructure that YOUR taxes pay for?
@PrairleDogged have u noticed, if u read back, these loons have tried every trick in the book today. they went with the more frequent forest fires & more intense floods & snow storms....each of which i totally debunked....& what do they do? totally ignore the truth & keep on with their lunacy....it's really amazing!! & then they say they are interested in the truth??? see what ur dealing with?
They are priceless I heard all this shit forty years ago ~ peal oil ~ pollution yada yada yada ~ and what have they achieved for their multi billion dollars/pound models?
What difference would anyone notice if all that bogus science never happened? the monies they've filched out of the system for sloppy biased science would have brought relief to many suffering people instead of junketing ex-spurts jetting around the globe to 'save the planet' !!!
BY THE WAY....i am totally disappointed in y'all. i asked what the objections to the keystone pipeline are figuring you enviro-nazis would know and y'all came up with zilch. so i had to write a paper saying there were no real valid objections, just the usual enviro-nazi obstructionism BUT that yomamma would use it as a chip in the upcoming election....so when he gets in trouble, he'll throw you nuts under the bus & say okay, go with the pipeline.
Eco-Loons make you wash your trash before you bin it then charge you twice to dump it ~ you could not make it up.
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"Chancellor Alistair Darling has announced that the landfill tax escalator will be extended for another year until 2014 and will continue to increase by £8 per tonne in this years Budget.
This will mean that landfill tax will be £56 in 2011, £64 in 2012, £72 in 2013, and £80 in 2014 per tonne."
"There has been nothing mentioned about the “Carbon Tax’s” effect on refrigerant, so I feel compelled to inform you as a refrigeration wholesaler, that the impact of this useless tax will be massive. The price of refrigerant will rise a minimum of 300% at the wholesale level. This is based on each refrigerants GWP multiplied by the carbon tax per tonne. eg. R404a has a GWP of 3862, which multiplied by $23/tonne equals $88/kg TAX."
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Pass it on the consumer deserves it for LIVING !!!
"This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in EU to now one of the most expensive. When first added, fuel prices rose by 3p a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn’t get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3p was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel."
Those greedy Oil companies having to find, drill, transport, refine, transport ( again ) then have our not so greedy government hike it up by a measly 81.5% so they can squander it on green follies and keeping the Left Whingers in benefits.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them ~ Yawn
The stretchy eco-loon thinks that because a government does not take ALL of a companies profit in tax it is somehow giving that company a subsidy ~ you know like if you get mugged and the mugger leaves you with $10 for your cab fare the mugger in her mind is subsidising you and you should be grateful ~ lol these juice junkies are a scream.
@PrairleDogged i think the oil companies make something like 7 cents a gallon while the govt makes 50 cents a gallon for doing nothing....and then these dopey politicians & enviro-nazis, who probably never took a risk in their lives, want to criticize.
"Slawson Exploration Co. Inc. was charged under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for killing 12 birds that died after allegedly landing in oil waste pits in western North Dakota from May 6 through June 20. Under a plea agreement filed in federal court Monday, Slawson will pay $12,000 — or $1,000 per bird — to the nonprofit National Fish and Wildlife Foundation."
Hey guys. I finally made a blog for politics and news (yes, there are post about global warming). Often I do not get to fully respond to all post on youtube, so I made a blog where I could go to often and be able to post more thorough comments and actually have a discussion. If you want to check it out, anyone can comment : bite-sizereality*blogspot*com ...if you are a gmail or blogger user, follow the blog once I get the button up for that. Hope to see your names on the blog soon!
Trust the scientists they have their fingers on the pulse ( grants )
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"However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."
On 12 Jan 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology estimated that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds and bats . The average per turbine comes down to 333 -1,000 deaths PA, which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the US wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole US, which has twice as many turbines as Spain.
@PrairleDogged "wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds". A visit to wikipedia's List of Fallacies should be a pre-requisite for anyone commenting on a GW vid.
"On one of the windiest days in October last year, National Grid paid wind farms £1.6 million, or £361 per MW/h on average, about four times the price that operators would expect to sell their electricity, according to ENDS, the specialist environmental information provider.
Consumer Focus said that wind-farm operators should not be able to hold National Grid to ransom by demanding huge payments in return for not generating electricity."
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as 'bad luck.'"
Just how long does it take rain to return to the sea?
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"According to NASA’s Dr. Hansen, 2010 was the hottest year ever, and Greenland temperatures were also the hottest ever. We are told this led to record melt in Greenland, which caused massive amounts of water to pour into the ocean. Additionally, thermal expansion from the record heat caused the oceans to get much deeper."
Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia
Jan Esper. "The new reconstruction is based on 578 maximum latewood density profiles from living and sub-fossil Pinus sylvestris samples from northern Sweden and Finland. The record provides evidence for substantial warmth during Roman and Medieval times, larger in extent and longer in duration than 20th century warmth. "
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PrairleDogged 12 hours ago
@PrairleDogged "Oops"
And, your point is? Oops in what way? When you get a global study that shows this it will be of interest.
Glad to see you now accept tree rings as a valid proxy for temp.
rugbyguy59 6 hours ago
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Evidence for a ‘Medieval Warm Period’ in a 1,100 year tree-ring reconstruction of past austral summer temperatures in New Zealand
Edward R. Cook
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, NY, USA
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PrairleDogged 6 hours ago
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BTW it's refreshing to see you now accept that there was in fact a Medieval Warm Period that exceeded modern temperatures without catastrophic global warming ensuing with massive releases of methane that destroyed all life as we know it.
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Great news for all inhabitants of this insignificant spheroid.
PrairleDogged 6 hours ago
@PrairleDogged There's a pretty massive difference between a "MWP" as you postulate and regional warm events which your cited studies demonstrate. Like I said, have you got a global or at least Northern Hemisphere study to prove a MWP that fits your contentions? Until then, you've got regional stuff.
That there was a MWP isn't debated much, there just isn't much evidence of a northern hemisphere wide or global event that is warmer than today.
rugbyguy59 5 hours ago
@PrairleDogged Massive methane release? At today's temperatures? You should try reading some actual science and not the sad claims of the high priests of denial who you so blindly follow.
rugbyguy59 5 hours ago
Fascinating video! A real antique! Amazing how naive everyone was back in 2007 before things started to get really bad!
bobinhk1 15 hours ago
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
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Warm = Snow ~ not according to common sense and this senior climate scientist.
PrairleDogged 18 hours ago
~ Met Office temperatures will drop as low as -6C (21.2F) tomorrow and on Thursday, when daytime maximums will be no more than 3C (37.4F). Severe weather warnings for ice were also issued for last night ~ this morning across eastern parts of England and Scotland, and Northern Ireland, south-west England and south Wales.
Police in Devon and Cornwall have warned motorists in some parts of the region not to travel unless it is essential after snowfall over the higher areas of Exmoor and Dartmoor.
PrairleDogged 18 hours ago
" Comparison of the new timeseries with five existing tree-ring based reconstructions from northern Scandinavia revealed synchronized climate fluctuations but substantially different absolute temperatures."
Level offset among the various reconstructions in extremely cold and warm years (up to 3 °C) and cold and warm 30-year periods (up to 1.5 °C) are in the order of the total temperature variance of each individual reconstruction over the past 1500 to 2000 years.
PrairleDogged 1 day ago
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Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia
By Jan Espera et al.
PrairleDogged 1 day ago
@PrairleDogged No problem. And your point is?
rugbyguy59 1 day ago
"The first century AD was the warmest 100-year period (+ 0.60 °C on average relative to the 1951–1980 mean) of the Common Era, more than 1 °C warmer than the coldest 14th century AD (− 0.51 °C). The warmest and coldest reconstructed 30-year periods (AD 21–50 = + 1.05 °C, and AD 1451–80 = − 1.19 °C) differ by more than 2 °C, and the range between the five warmest and coldest reconstructed summers in the context of the past 2000 years is estimated to exceed 5 °C."
PrairleDogged 1 day ago
@PrairleDogged these AGW wonks will just deny your info cuz it doesn't fit their scam. i mean look at ruggy, trying to say human co2 starts forest fires....it's totally ridiculous.
badvagirl 1 day ago
‘It could be much more difficult than we thought to feed everyone in a warmer world. Satellite images of northern India have revealed that extreme temperatures are cutting wheat yields. What's more, models used to predict the effects of global warming on food supply may have underestimated the problem by a third’
ww w.newscientist.c om/article/dn21399-wheat-will-age-prematurely-in-a-warmer-world.html
blackadderthe4 1 day ago
@blackadderthe4 You need to look at the bigger picture, in such a scenario vast amounts of land in northern latitudes/higher latidues in Asia,,Russia and Canada woulld become available for crop use.The premise of this article is bogus,just more fearmongering climate bs propaganda that needs to be hastily despatched down waste disposal.
ezeeskank 18 hours ago
@ezeeskank
'vast amounts of land in northern latitudes/higher latidues' and I take it they are suitable for cultivatiopn? Even so 1 gets you 50 it will not be a simple change over!
blackadderthe4 18 hours ago
There was global cooling, then it started warming, now it's cooling again, and while this one seems it will be a mini ice age (this happens in cycles of on off changing every few hundred years) for a while it will eventually start to warm again, and we will start the whole thing over again. This is nothing more then the weather changing. Our entire solar system is experiencing the same thing, and I don't see any SUVs on mars.
d3ltadrive 2 days ago
@d3ltadrive "this one seems it will be a mini ice age"
Aahahahahahahahahahaha....yeah sure. The warmest decade on record and it's a mini ice age. Despite a low solar cycle and strong La Ninas every temp record we have shows a warming trend over the past 15 years. But I see you trust a tiny amount of data from other worlds rather than data from earth and satellite measurements of the sun. By the way we know why some planets are warming but we also know that some aren't.
Try again bud.
rugbyguy59 2 days ago
@rugbyguy59 By the way that 'warmest decade crap' you like to repeat peddle is just that.The temperatures you speak of are indexed linked meaning they have error margins either way.Which means in 'reality' the 2000s are just as likely to have cooler than the 1930s or the 1890s.And what about all the other decades which we have no data for,did you ever think of that gullible one.
ezeeskank 18 hours ago
@ezeeskank
"The temperatures... have error margins either way"
No, skanky.
The NOAA lists the 2000's as being 0.513 degrees C above the 1951-1980 mean with a margin of error of .07.
1990's 0.313
1980's 0.176
So either your math is as bad as "gamblinman/badvagirl" or you're so deep down the rabbit hole of authoritarian lunacy, numbers just don't mean what they do to the rest of us.
Either way, us thinking people will believe NASA, NOAA, WMO and JMO.
Thanks!
YourKidsArentSpecial 13 hours ago
@ezeeskank Othes have shown you're wrong about the error bars and what that means for this being the warmest decade on record. It seems you really don't understand error bars or much else. As for the "other decades" note the phrase "on record." Not asking you to be gullible but if you were honest it would help a lot.
rugbyguy59 5 hours ago
just a statistic, 99.7% of all legitament scientists believe global warming is real, and .15% of scientists were payed by oil companies to spread there message.
the4thdemension 2 days ago
@the4thdemension Do you honestly think that oil companies can't buy rights for every single power source?
Whatever you use, they will build and sell it to you, so it does not make any difference to them.
Also, some thousands of scientists once asked for a debate with the global warmalists to prove their theories of the man made global warming.
They declined.
Paflos 1 day ago
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@Paflos "some thousands of scientists once asked for a debate with the global warmalists to prove their theories of the man made global warming". Look out! The walls are mellllttttiinggggg...
bobinhk1 1 day ago
@the4thdemension another bozo who is full of crap.Take a hike.
ezeeskank 18 hours ago
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Sorry deniers, there is a scientific consensus on this. An overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change.
It should be reiterated that people do need to take personal responsibility for the environment and to be informed to take meaningful action in our democracies.
Nightversionn 4 days ago
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Nightversionn 4 days ago
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Its a bummer Glenn Beck isnt on the air anymore. This kind of education is priceless. Without it, people might have to take personal responsibility for themselves and our environment
PlanetoftheeAtheists 4 days ago
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Fox News taking their talking points from the oil industry? NAH! Couldnt be
PlanetoftheeAtheists 4 days ago
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Lets see, how do i decide if global warming is real, manmade, and threatening our species...i could use my common sense (five miles of breathable oxygen over our heads and millions of tons of pollutants entering it everyday), or i can rely on experts (97% percent of the world's scientists in agreement for, 100% of Fox News' audience against)
Decisions, decisions
PlanetoftheeAtheists 4 days ago
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Snowy owls soar south from Arctic in rare mass migration
An especially plentiful supply of lemmings last season likely led to a population boom among owls that resulted in each breeding pair hatching as many as seven offspring
He said snowy owl populations are believed to be in an overall decline, possibly because a changing climate has lessened the abundance of vegetation like grasses that lemmings rely on.
RandomVersion 4 days ago
Listen, Climate change is real, but we don't know yet whether or not humans contributed it or not.
DP3mo24hofosho 5 days ago
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@DP3mo24hofosho Uuummmmm, yes, yes we do know that humans are "contributing" to it. In fact we're likely 100% behind it in the past 50 years.
rugbyguy59 5 days ago
@DP3mo24hofosho of course climate change is real...the climate has always changed so this is no great scientific discovery! i bet it will change again too....wanna put $10 on it?
badvagirl 4 days ago
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@badvagirl Climate is always changing, everything is in a state of constant change (duh?), but human activities are accelerating it. Arguing with deniers is like arguing with Evangelicals about evolution or that the earth is billions of years old, not thousands. But you of course are lying on purpose to serve the financial interests of your corporate masters
Nightversionn 4 days ago
@Nightversionn Amen. And pass the motor oil
PlanetoftheeAtheists 4 days ago
@Nightversionn wow, you trot out all the scammer crap when ur challenged to provide backup for ur silly allegations. you say i'm a denier, an evangelical, i don't believe in evolution, or the age of the earth...yad yada yada....
all i ever did was ask you for proof that humans are doing anything to the climate....that's all...what, an evangelical can't ask for proof? what about a hindu? a muslim?
can anyone ask you for proof?...oh, but u don't have any, do ya?
badvagirl 1 day ago
@badvagirl
I refer you to my previous post, warmer or colder what's the best?
blackadderthe4 1 day ago
@blackadderthe4 BLACKIE!!! hey, where ya been, measuring glaciers at the queer bar?? so did the blood test turn out negative for AIDS??? i hope so. u need to stay away from YKAS...no telling what's been up his patoot...use protection.
what a silly question, which is best, warm or cold? here's a hint...how many people are farming at the south pole?
badvagirl 1 day ago
@badvagirl
'how many people are farming at the south pole?' and howmany are farming in the middle of the Sahara? So what's best warm or cold? Or is it a goldilocks climate? Now take a few days to think about it and don't wear the grey matter out!
blackadderthe4 1 day ago
@blackadderthe4 the sahara is shrinking & more & more farming is being done there...LOLOLOL.
badvagirl 1 day ago
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@badvagirl
'more farming is being done there' just like at the South Pole! Oh foolish creature, what ignorance is this which torments you? - Dante Alighieri. PS still think Mary was a virgin? In your dreams!
blackadderthe4 1 day ago
@blackadderthe4
so, dante, what in hell does a girl have to do to get this planet warmed up??? i'm freezing here. lololol.
badvagirl 14 hours ago
@badvagirl
'i'm freezing here' well I'll light a fire under your ass and warm your brain up!
blackadderthe4 13 hours ago
@blackadderthe4 ur a typical homo, obsessed with ass.
badvagirl 13 hours ago
@badvagirl
Not to mention your defected brain!
blackadderthe4 13 hours ago
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@PrairieDogged
Ha ha!
It's you that's scared:
Of carbon tax, hippies, Al Gore, science, lefties & windmills
Pussy!
23peacefrog 5 days ago
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@PrairieDogged
Ha ha!
It's you that's scared:
Of carbon tax, hippies, Al Gore, science, lefties & windmills
Pussy!
23peacefrog 5 days ago
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Behold the complacent tricksters who have nothing to lose because they think they will be dead before the shit hits the fan
they just wanna burn more oil and are stalling for time
to anyone below 30(& probably lots of u who are older) you will live long enough & it won't be pretty. If you think the earth is an inherently stable system that is wishful thinking of the highest order
23peacefrog 5 days ago
@23peaceToady
I can smell your fear from here ~ go change your skidders.
PrairleDogged 5 days ago
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Behold the alarmist pinheads peacefrog,yourkids and nightversionn.Spongebrains who have been fooled into thinking the climate is going to go crazy because of co2.These three jokers are a perfect example of how malliable the human mind is when bombarded by years of indoctrination thru education,media and entertainment.Maybe another 20 years of failed climate disaster predictions from the climate models and from extremists like Hansen will wake them from their slumber.
Gilgamesh2020 5 days ago
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@BDBK666
I hear what you are saying about "going on all the time" and it is a good point as far as it goes
But this is ONE indicator of warming
Actually not many people are saying these events are THE proof of global warming
If these events are happening cos of GW then potentially we have much worse in store
We will not kill the earth(yeah, i know!)but it may become at lot harder to live here(sounds ok if you say it quick)
23peacefrog 6 days ago
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@badvagirl
...Pakistan floods 2010(worst in 80 years)
US Tornado season 2011(deadliest since 1936)
Drought in Horn of Africa 2011(worst in 60 years)
Southern US/Mexico drought 2011(?worst on record)
Hurricane season of 2005(worst recorded)
If you want DIRECT linkage between these and human emitted co2 I don't believe that is even possible!!
23peacefrog 6 days ago
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@23peacefrog
htt p: //en. wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_famines
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
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@23peacefrog It doesn't matter to the deniers how many billion dollar disasters happen in a short period of time in line with climate predictions, the scientists and all the people experiencing disasters right now are all part of the conspiracy
Nightversionn 6 days ago
@23peacefrog So all that happened 60-80+ years ago, how was it not human caused global warming back then, but it is now. Seems to me, that all of your dates just prove it happens all the time. I bet that weather back then was the worst in 60 years too. The earth obviously changes temp all the time, and to think that humans could kill the 4.5 billion year old earth in less than 200 years is just funny. The earth was a ball of ice at one time...Things change here.
BDBK666 6 days ago
Badvagirl
"extreme weather"
What I said is that a warmer earth will
experience more extreme weather
There will always be extreme weather but the issue is how much
I can list some extreme weather events if you really want
23peacefrog 6 days ago
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More evidence/impacts of climate change series..
(Please read article before the DENIER with all the SOCK PUPPET ACCOUNTS censors it)..
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Flooding is biggest climate risk to UK, report says
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Flooding will be Britain's biggest climate risk this century, with damage set to cost as much as 12 billion pounds a year by the 2080s if nothing is done to adapt to extreme weather, a report said on Thursday.
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Reuters
26 January 2012
Nightversionn 6 days ago
CO2 one of the building blocks of a productive ecology.
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“Experiments conducted in places like the U.S and Europe, where scientists pumped extra amounts of carbon dioxide gas into forests, did seem to show that such ‘carbon dioxide fertilization,’ caused plants to grow better—up to a point,” says Nemani."
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
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" Scientists and environmental policy decision makers across the world want to know what is happening to all the carbon in the carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere through fossil fuel and biomass burning, such as forest fires or firewood used as fuel. If carbon dioxide is “food” for plants, maybe more of it in the atmosphere caused plants to grow better."
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@badvagirl
It was a simple enough question
How much more co2 does there have to be in the atmosphere b4 an increase in temp will be observed
You seem to be asserting that co2 does not have an effect on temp
Which is simply wrong
23peacefrog 6 days ago
"Changes in rainfall, temperature and sunlight between 1982 and 1999 increased the overall productivity of land plants by 6 percent. This map shows productivity increases in green, while decreases are shown in brown. Productivity increased the most in tropical regions, where climate change resulted in fewer clouds and more sunlight. [Image by Robert Simmon, NASA Earth Observatory, based on data provided by the University of Montana Numerical Terradynamic Simulations Group (NTSG)]"
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
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moron, did you see the record heat in texas and the rest of the country the last two years, look up texas drought, new mexico wilfires, geogia drought with 2010 2011 in the search terms, fools!
NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th ...
NASA - NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record
livingproofof 6 days ago
Harvard University put on record 2010 that global average carbon dioxide has not increased says levels halved at the end of the little ice age
JonThm 6 days ago
Green plants taking carbon dioxide to grow
JonThm 6 days ago
@badvagirl
well cock-a-doody!
Question for you: how much more co2 would there need to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature? Rough guess will do(& don't worry I AM aware that co2 is not flammable)
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peacefrog "how much more co2 would have to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature?"
actually, the correct question should be 'how much warmer does it have to get to increase the co2 level in the atmosphere since warmer precedes rise in co2'. and i don't know the answer to that....do you?
i think a good question for you is 'how much co2 would we have to take OUT of the atmosphere to cause a decrease in temperature?
and, why in hell would you want to make it colder?
badvagirl 6 days ago
@23peacefrog yeah...cock-a-doody!!
you said there were more 'extreme weather events" caused by man made co2...i asked you what, where, when & more extreme compared to what?
you sooooooooooooooooooo failed to support your assertion. which i totally expected. stop reading AGW blogs, they're nothing but alarmist trash.
badvagirl 6 days ago
Photosynthesis has converted all man is additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No possible effect on the weather. Which has been cooling since 1998. Of into 100 leading American academics.
JonThm 1 week ago
@JonThm And yet we can measure the increase and the tell tale signature that says it's our CO2.
Of course you claimed on my channel that it was Irish Co2. Maybe that acts differently.
rugbyguy59 6 days ago
Photosynthesis converts additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. Man made climate change is fiction from nuclear power: and there is no reason to believe nuclear fiction!
JonThm 1 week ago
NEWS ALERT!!!
another yomamma "green" company bites the dust!!
Ener1, some kind of whacky battery company that got $118 million from the yomamma crapulous went under. of course, the $118 million was borrowed from china 7 we still have to pay the interest on that debt.
the "green energy" scam is worse than the AGW scam.
badvagirl 1 week ago
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wipemyrrs 1 week ago
Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000. Local levels in cities have no effect. Global warming is fiction from nuclear power and the stupid. You were taught about photosynthesis age 14 the
JonThm 1 week ago
@JonThm Hey, the great thing about science, and in this case the science of man-made climate change, is that it's true, whether you choose to believe in it or not!
Nightversionn 1 week ago
@JonThm "Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000"
Meanwhile CO2 levels on average rise by 2 parts per million each year. Looks like Jonthm is thinking with his John Thomas.
rugbyguy59 6 days ago
"Earth Day is a creation of the left, a pagan holiday devoted to fashioning a Socialist/Marxist world, even while Marx is being discredited across the globe." (Human Events, 4-28-90)
GreenChurchReject 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
"you can't define a poor person but still use them as pawns in your game"
Eh?
23peacefrog 1 week ago
In China, the true cost of Britain’s clean, green wind power experiment:
"This toxic poisonous desert that remains is destroying the lives of Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what’s left behind after making the magnets for Britain’s latest wind turbines is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem. Britain’s government should be ashamed of the catastrophe taking place in China in the name of green power here in the UK."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged"define a poor person"
You want me to define a poor person? Why? Is poverty a difficult concept for you to understand? It gives me a headache sinking down to your level
As for being responsible for them? Nah I ain't responsible for poor people pal just seems to me the very least I can do is give the tiniest shit about them but then that is the difference between me & people like you
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peaceToad
You cannot define a poor person but you use them as pawns in your game?
Is a native living in the Amazon rainforest a "poor person" ?
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@badvagirl
Ok I explain my ridiculous statement. Warmer means more energy in the system
Got that? basic
23peacefrog 1 week ago
"Given the slow rate of forest extension observed thus far, coupled with the climatic, edaphic and ecological factors, it is difficult to envision that the anticipated northward forest expansion and development of new forest communities as projected by model experiments in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (2004) would be completed by AD 2100. Developing a clearer understanding of the potential rate of response of the northern boreal forest and treeline zone is a critical area for research."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged Very good Prairie, you can find some peer review, but as usual it's a nice cherry pick. If you look at Mann 2009 you see that he does have the Kola Peninsula as an ware that was warm during the MWP. It may have been about the same as the 1990s maybe even today.
So why more trees? Likely because that period lasted for a century or so. Today's warming is just getting started.
What do you think, other than you ability to chery pick, your MWP obsession proves?
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@rugbyguy59
The paper covered the Holocene and the MWP two separate periods so not just cherry picking one tree like your buddy did ~ what was it's number again? I forgot.
So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story and that still does not dislodge you from your blinkered and stubborn stance on the farcical mirage of CAGW ~ now what does that prove?
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
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@PrairleDogged "So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story"
Except, of course, it doesn't as we know Mann and the other dozen hockey sticks look at global averages, not a regional event like your paper
What does it prove if your paper doesn't make me think like you? It proves I read the actual claims of a paper, know what they mean and not try to expand their meaning to fit my political needs. In other words it shows I'm smarter than you
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
On the Khibiny uplands located in the central Kola Peninsula, radiocarbon dates from Pinus stumps and forest palaeosols indicate that the treeline was located 100–140m higher in elevation than today during the MWP (between ca AD 600 and 1300 in this case). Forest has yet to recolonize these elevations (Kremenetski et al. 2004).
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
...cont "In both the Kola and the adjacent northern Fennoscandia, there is evidence for the continuous presence of P. sylvestris trees at their current northern range limits for at least several hundred years prior to the twentieth-century warming. In addition, there are similar patterns of enhanced recruitment in the eighteenth and twentieth centuries in both regions"
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
Climate change and the northern Russian treeline zone
G.M MacDonald et al
"Dendroecological studies indicate enhanced conifer recruitment during the twentieth century. However, conifers have not yet recolonized many areas where trees were present during the MWP or the Holocene Thermal Maximum ( 10000–3000 years ago). Reconstruction of tree distributions during the HTM suggests that the future position of the treeline due to global warming may approximate its former Holocene maximum position."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
..fan
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
Re"extreme weather events"
There r 2 reasons why people talk about an increase in these events being caused by a warmer earth
1 because they are!
2 because there is a (depressing) move towards appealing to people's self interest on this issue because
Unfortunately there are many selfish, ignorant scumbags like you in the western world who do not care about nature, animals, foreigners, poor people or future generations
Just another sideshow as we wait for the shit to hit the
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peacefrog I think you are speaking to "PrairLeDogged" right
Nightversionn 1 week ago
@23peacefrog hey froggy you may have chickenlittle syndrome thats a shame as it is known to impair judgement and critical thinking.Or maybe you can present unequivocal evidence that climate sensivity to anthro co2 is high,and that it causes extreme weather events?
ezeeskank 1 week ago
@ezeeskank Why should peacefrog present those things? The IPCC doesn't present a high climate sensitivity scenario. It's compilation of the available studies indicates a sensitivity of 2 to 4.5C per doubling with the most likely value of 3C. There are studies with high sensitivity like 7C but that isn't the consensus. Of course the low "no worries" case is non-existent.
AGW doesn't "cause" extreme weather it simply makes them more likely. The evidence for this is readily available on-line.
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@23peaceToad
Your hippie is slipping my green tree frog ~ unfortunately you assume I do not care for nature and animals you could not be further from the truth.
As for "poor" people define a poor person and make a case for why I should responsible for those people.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@23peaceToad
For the educating of the misinformed ( you )
Please Google this and stfu about natural weather events ok?
'A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events James A. Marusek '
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You may wish to see that Nightversion'n' gets a copy too as she is also intellectually challenged and suffers the same Green mist as you do ~ have an Ice day and enjoy the reading.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@23peaceToad
htt p: //earthobservatory. nasa. gov/Features/GlobalGarden/
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Read it and weep you pathetic excuse for a eco-warrior.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@23peacefrog what increase in extreme weather events?????????????? where? when? compared to what?
what do you call an "extreme weather event"??? you need to back up this ridiculous statement.
badvagirl 1 week ago
Photosynthesis has converted all mankind's additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No effect on the weather possible! The natural climate has been cooling since 1998 anyway!
JonThm 1 week ago
@JonThm 2005, 2010 warmest years. 2011 warmest La Nina year. 11 of warmest 12 years in the 21st century. So yeah, it continues to warm.
40% rise in CO2 concentrations in the past 175 years. Your plants aren't doing what you say.
How can a candidate for a science PhD be so uninformed?
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
Man-made climate change does not cause extreme weather we are seeing worldwide, but it is fueling these events
Duh?
Nightversionn 1 week ago
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TheServiceWeb 1 week ago
This is fairly minimum-effort video, a couple of dodgy media clips, classic IRL stuff. Wonder who posted the original (and why)?
bobinhk1 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
"I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax"
It's numpties like u who are obsessed by tax
Every day of our lives the system f**ks us & our future but it's the yet to exist carbon tax that gets you mad?
I think you are not concerned about this planet because you don't live on it
23peacefrog 1 week ago
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I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax for past climate changes? there must be a crimate model that can pin them on our consumerism and decadence.
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htt p: //en. wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_famines
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
Photosynthesis may use two parts per 1,000,000 carbon dioxide in the air. And has done since the end of the little ice age
JonThm 1 week ago
@JonThm Wow, and that doesn't disprove the consensus of the scientific community that global warming is happening and human activity is accelerating it.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it ;)
Nightversionn 1 week ago
Photosynthesis metabolises all available carbon dioxide from the air
JonThm 1 week ago
@JonThm You mean there is no CO2 in the atmosphere?????
Think before you post Jon.
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
"I have friends who put their trash through the dishwasher before they discard it"
LOL I don't know to tell you this but your friends are f**kin idiots! Do they think you are the smart one?
LMFAO
23peacefrog 1 week ago
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@23peacefrog
ecoloons are loons lmfao 2
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@23peacefrog
does washing your rubbish cleanse your soul from the guilt of living?
UtubeSpamdetector 1 week ago
@UtubeSpamdetector Can you not read the post?
Nightversionn 1 week ago
@23peacefrog
"DoggyStyle" doesn't have any friends.
But if he did, I'm sure they'd be the type to run their trash through the dishwasher!
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@YourKidsArentSpecial How was your latest perverted snuff film? Did you pleasure yourself?
RyanMonckton3610 1 week ago
Newsflash
Mercury contamination of the water table increases due to landfill seepage.
Mercury background level increases due to trash incineration.
Mercury timebomb as billions of CFL's in circulation fail at an alarming rate.
Mercury real danger when CFL's broken in domestic situations.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
some of you never understand HUMANS have ONLY been around during the 10,000 year of the NON ICE Age time line in the climate cycle between Ice ages etc.. you have NO concept of whats really going on do you ... even the samples from ICE, Soil and such from History of Earths time line are just guild lines not fact as they very from country to country and still raise questions why this or that happen.. PLS stop being used by the Dem's EPA Agenda that has been proven to have NON PHD's "fake PHD's"!
DigitalAsianEyes 1 week ago
some of you ppl are just too wild and over the deep end! LOL I bet you watch them late night info ads on TV and buy all that snake oil type of cure all stuff LOL
DigitalAsianEyes 1 week ago
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CHIPSTERO7 1 week ago
I accept that the media "generally" tend to sensationalise things. Even the BBC, bless them, tend to hype things up during their relatively educational offerings. I'm not sure how debunking the media somehow translates to undermining the IPCC and the scientific studies. It just smells too strongly of either political agenda or wishful thinking. There are many commenters below focussing on single factors (like CO2). How can such people presume to have a rational opinion on such complex issues?
bobinhk1 1 week ago
@bobinhk1 u say: "many commenters...focusing on single factors (like co2)."
of course...isn't co2 the whole AGW schtick??? they blame co2 for everything that never happens. i think it's called being a "one trick pony".
badvagirl 1 week ago
Sorry deniers, but an overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change. Also, there exist tens of thousands of papers from thousands of scientists working over the past decades to prove beyond all reasonable doubts that human are changing the atmosphere...
Nightversionn 1 week ago
@Nightversionn with all those 10s of 1000s of papers & scientists, a reasonable person would think that someone could come up with some evidence that AGW is doing anything to the planet.
these same scientists say that the climate has been stable for 100s of years & one of the IPCC's head climate gurus says we are entering a period of global cooling!!
funny how u believed him when he said warming but not when he said cooling.
y'all are hilariously stupid...but always good for a few laughs.
badvagirl 1 week ago
@idiotgirl @gamblinman2002 @gabriella1147
Hey, idiotgirl... was this you?
"Arkansas Democrat's cat killed, painted with "liberal" reuters(dot)com, 1/23/12
Sounds like something you'd do.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@badvagirl
"way smarter than you bub.. debunk ur forest fires..back you into a corner"
I think u r confusing me with someone else or possibly one of the voices in your head because i don't recall posting anything about forest fires
You couldn't back your way out of a wet paper bag you loon
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peacefrog that was "ur" in the plural sense...like all y'all...
y'all read from the same play book so between the fake IDs & the AGW playbook crap, it does get confusing.
so, ya got any evidence of man made GW or have you given up on that & just gone full time to the personal attack approach?
and yeah, i am way waaaaayyyyyy waaaayyyyyy smarter than you...ur the one that has to resort to personal attack cuz u lack the intellectual firepower to debate me honestly..
now git outta here.
badvagirl 1 week ago
@badvagirl
"have u noticed, these loons have tried every trick in the book today..."
aaah it means a lot to you doesn't it?
Unfortunately you r only confirming over & over how ignorant and stupid you are(very & very)
You should use this forum to get together with "Big Wind" PrairieDogged
A bit of sexy time might lighten you both up a bit!!
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peacefrog i'm way smarter than u, bub. when i back y'all into a corner, do u admit ur full of crap (as we all know you are)?? no, u launch a personal attack like u just did.
when i totally debunk ur more forest fires, more intense snow & floods BS, do u ever say to urself, "gee, i must be a total like epic dope"? no, u just keep on with more BS. are you interested in the truth?
or are u just an ignorant fool who has no regard for truth or facts? (i'll go with ignorant fool).
badvagirl 1 week ago
@idiotgirl @gamblinman2002 @gabriella1147
"i'm way smarter than u, bub"
Oh, my GOD!
Some idiot who can't even perform SIMPLE DIVISION disparaging someone's intelligence?!?
You should start attending class, Dopey.
You're certainly not absorbing anything here, making yourself look like a complete baboon.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
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More rain ~ more droughts
More heatwaves ~ more cold spells
More Hurricanes ~ less Hurricanes
More Snow ~ Less Ice
More BULLSHIT ~ Check
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
If your gripe is purely taxation then take your anger to the government, not the scientists.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
The scientist are the ones creating the illusion on the back of government grants ~ the FOIA emails have plenty of references to the art ~ but then they've been conveniently greenwashed for the "cause"
Is tax relief a subsidy? does the IRS subsidise you by giving you allowances? asshole !!
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
Jesus, shitfire.
You bitch like a six year old little girl about all the taxes you pay, but "think" it's just dandy that oil companies benefits from the infrastructure that YOUR taxes pay for?
You are INDEED thick as a brick, Dopey.
Thanks for the comedy!
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged have u noticed, if u read back, these loons have tried every trick in the book today. they went with the more frequent forest fires & more intense floods & snow storms....each of which i totally debunked....& what do they do? totally ignore the truth & keep on with their lunacy....it's really amazing!! & then they say they are interested in the truth??? see what ur dealing with?
badvagirl 1 week ago
@badvagirl
They are priceless I heard all this shit forty years ago ~ peal oil ~ pollution yada yada yada ~ and what have they achieved for their multi billion dollars/pound models?
What difference would anyone notice if all that bogus science never happened? the monies they've filched out of the system for sloppy biased science would have brought relief to many suffering people instead of junketing ex-spurts jetting around the globe to 'save the planet' !!!
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
* peak :)
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@badvagirl
"of which i totally debunked."
Hahahahahah! You're a legend of your own imagination. Still, prairLETroll will humour you cos he likes birds that can't see the woods for the trees.
When's the wedding? LOL.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
BY THE WAY....i am totally disappointed in y'all. i asked what the objections to the keystone pipeline are figuring you enviro-nazis would know and y'all came up with zilch. so i had to write a paper saying there were no real valid objections, just the usual enviro-nazi obstructionism BUT that yomamma would use it as a chip in the upcoming election....so when he gets in trouble, he'll throw you nuts under the bus & say okay, go with the pipeline.
badvagirl 1 week ago
Eco-Loons make you wash your trash before you bin it then charge you twice to dump it ~ you could not make it up.
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"Chancellor Alistair Darling has announced that the landfill tax escalator will be extended for another year until 2014 and will continue to increase by £8 per tonne in this years Budget.
This will mean that landfill tax will be £56 in 2011, £64 in 2012, £72 in 2013, and £80 in 2014 per tonne."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
"There has been nothing mentioned about the “Carbon Tax’s” effect on refrigerant, so I feel compelled to inform you as a refrigeration wholesaler, that the impact of this useless tax will be massive. The price of refrigerant will rise a minimum of 300% at the wholesale level. This is based on each refrigerants GWP multiplied by the carbon tax per tonne. eg. R404a has a GWP of 3862, which multiplied by $23/tonne equals $88/kg TAX."
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Pass it on the consumer deserves it for LIVING !!!
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
"This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in EU to now one of the most expensive. When first added, fuel prices rose by 3p a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn’t get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3p was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
OMG
Those greedy Oil companies having to find, drill, transport, refine, transport ( again ) then have our not so greedy government hike it up by a measly 81.5% so they can squander it on green follies and keeping the Left Whingers in benefits.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them ~ Yawn
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
I know, what a bummer. You pay 81% tax on fuel that ends up in the Energy company coffers anyway via a $470 billion subsidy.
???
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez how does 81% tax end up in the energy company coffers?
badvagirl 1 week ago
@badvagirl
Duh! Ready the comment slowly and it might sink in.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@badvagirl
The stretchy eco-loon thinks that because a government does not take ALL of a companies profit in tax it is somehow giving that company a subsidy ~ you know like if you get mugged and the mugger leaves you with $10 for your cab fare the mugger in her mind is subsidising you and you should be grateful ~ lol these juice junkies are a scream.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged i think the oil companies make something like 7 cents a gallon while the govt makes 50 cents a gallon for doing nothing....and then these dopey politicians & enviro-nazis, who probably never took a risk in their lives, want to criticize.
badvagirl 1 week ago
@badvagirl
Lets see some parity with Big Wind shall we?
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Don't hold your breath !!!
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"Slawson Exploration Co. Inc. was charged under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for killing 12 birds that died after allegedly landing in oil waste pits in western North Dakota from May 6 through June 20. Under a plea agreement filed in federal court Monday, Slawson will pay $12,000 — or $1,000 per bird — to the nonprofit National Fish and Wildlife Foundation."
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How many Million was it in Spain? x £1000 Oops
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
"How many Million was it in Spain?"
You certainly won't find out from the idiot's article YOU cited, shitfire.
The... "presentation"... was by a "Mark Duchamp, businessman," who helped pen an article titled "World Is Getting Colder."
Credible?
To you dimwits, yes.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
"subsidies"
Wow.
This isn't that difficult a concept, shitfire.
Infrastructure, including road manufacture and maintenance cost a lot of money.
Roads don't just magically appear out of nowhere.
So when the government says "Here, oil companies! You can use what costs the public TENS OF BILLIONS to maintain... for free!"... THAT'S A SUBSIDY.
"Muggers and cab fare," shitfire?
So you're just as ignorant of economical externalities as you are of science.
Oops.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
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buchedda 1 week ago
Trust the scientists they have their fingers on the pulse ( grants )
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"However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
Whoppee do!!!
I remember someone once saying competition drives down prices - then I had to fill my car and pay my electric bill.
The things people say, eh?
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
Yep CO2 tax is a cunt ain't it asshole ~ thanx for confirmation of your greengreed.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
So wind turbines struggle struggle in high winds? So we need to innovate and create better technology and hardware surely?
Or we could just whine & complain like a stupid petulant child about how wind power is useless
23peacefrog 1 week ago
On 12 Jan 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology estimated that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds and bats . The average per turbine comes down to 333 -1,000 deaths PA, which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the US wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole US, which has twice as many turbines as Spain.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged "wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds". A visit to wikipedia's List of Fallacies should be a pre-requisite for anyone commenting on a GW vid.
bobinhk1 1 week ago
Free energy for all ~ rejoice
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"On one of the windiest days in October last year, National Grid paid wind farms £1.6 million, or £361 per MW/h on average, about four times the price that operators would expect to sell their electricity, according to ENDS, the specialist environmental information provider.
Consumer Focus said that wind-farm operators should not be able to hold National Grid to ransom by demanding huge payments in return for not generating electricity."
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Oops
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
In 2010 The Fossil-fuel industry received subsidiues to the tune of $470,000,000,000.
(That is billion to the ornithological layman).
A much bigger OOOOOOOOPs, I fear.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
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From: Phil Jones
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
Date: Thu Jul 8 16:30:16 2004
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
Cheers
Phil”
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PrairleDogged 1 week ago
Two years of dropping Oceans ~ Oops
Just how long does it take rain to return to the sea?
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"According to NASA’s Dr. Hansen, 2010 was the hottest year ever, and Greenland temperatures were also the hottest ever. We are told this led to record melt in Greenland, which caused massive amounts of water to pour into the ocean. Additionally, thermal expansion from the record heat caused the oceans to get much deeper."
...cont
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