Snowy owls soar south from Arctic in rare mass migration
An especially plentiful supply of lemmings last season likely led to a population boom among owls that resulted in each breeding pair hatching as many as seven offspring
He said snowy owl populations are believed to be in an overall decline, possibly because a changing climate has lessened the abundance of vegetation like grasses that lemmings rely on.
@DP3mo24hofosho of course climate change is real...the climate has always changed so this is no great scientific discovery! i bet it will change again too....wanna put $10 on it?
@badvagirl Climate is always changing, everything is in a state of constant change (duh?), but human activities are accelerating it. Arguing with deniers is like arguing with Evangelicals about evolution or that the earth is billions of years old, not thousands. But you of course are lying on purpose to serve the financial interests of your corporate masters
Behold the complacent tricksters who have nothing to lose because they think they will be dead before the shit hits the fan
they just wanna burn more oil and are stalling for time
to anyone below 30(& probably lots of u who are older) you will live long enough & it won't be pretty. If you think the earth is an inherently stable system that is wishful thinking of the highest order
Behold the alarmist pinheads peacefrog,yourkids and nightversionn.Spongebrains who have been fooled into thinking the climate is going to go crazy because of co2.These three jokers are a perfect example of how malliable the human mind is when bombarded by years of indoctrination thru education,media and entertainment.Maybe another 20 years of failed climate disaster predictions from the climate models and from extremists like Hansen will wake them from their slumber.
@23peacefrog It doesn't matter to the deniers how many billion dollar disasters happen in a short period of time in line with climate predictions, the scientists and all the people experiencing disasters right now are all part of the conspiracy
@23peacefrog So all that happened 60-80+ years ago, how was it not human caused global warming back then, but it is now. Seems to me, that all of your dates just prove it happens all the time. I bet that weather back then was the worst in 60 years too. The earth obviously changes temp all the time, and to think that humans could kill the 4.5 billion year old earth in less than 200 years is just funny. The earth was a ball of ice at one time...Things change here.
(Please read article before the DENIER with all the SOCK PUPPET ACCOUNTS censors it)..
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Flooding is biggest climate risk to UK, report says
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Flooding will be Britain's biggest climate risk this century, with damage set to cost as much as 12 billion pounds a year by the 2080s if nothing is done to adapt to extreme weather, a report said on Thursday.
CO2 one of the building blocks of a productive ecology.
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“Experiments conducted in places like the U.S and Europe, where scientists pumped extra amounts of carbon dioxide gas into forests, did seem to show that such ‘carbon dioxide fertilization,’ caused plants to grow better—up to a point,” says Nemani."
" Scientists and environmental policy decision makers across the world want to know what is happening to all the carbon in the carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere through fossil fuel and biomass burning, such as forest fires or firewood used as fuel. If carbon dioxide is “food” for plants, maybe more of it in the atmosphere caused plants to grow better."
"Changes in rainfall, temperature and sunlight between 1982 and 1999 increased the overall productivity of land plants by 6 percent. This map shows productivity increases in green, while decreases are shown in brown. Productivity increased the most in tropical regions, where climate change resulted in fewer clouds and more sunlight. [Image by Robert Simmon, NASA Earth Observatory, based on data provided by the University of Montana Numerical Terradynamic Simulations Group (NTSG)]"
moron, did you see the record heat in texas and the rest of the country the last two years, look up texas drought, new mexico wilfires, geogia drought with 2010 2011 in the search terms, fools!
NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th ...
NASA - NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record
Question for you: how much more co2 would there need to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature? Rough guess will do(& don't worry I AM aware that co2 is not flammable)
@23peacefrog "how much more co2 would have to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature?"
actually, the correct question should be 'how much warmer does it have to get to increase the co2 level in the atmosphere since warmer precedes rise in co2'. and i don't know the answer to that....do you?
i think a good question for you is 'how much co2 would we have to take OUT of the atmosphere to cause a decrease in temperature?
and, why in hell would you want to make it colder?
Photosynthesis has converted all man is additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No possible effect on the weather. Which has been cooling since 1998. Of into 100 leading American academics.
Photosynthesis converts additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. Man made climate change is fiction from nuclear power: and there is no reason to believe nuclear fiction!
Ener1, some kind of whacky battery company that got $118 million from the yomamma crapulous went under. of course, the $118 million was borrowed from china 7 we still have to pay the interest on that debt.
the "green energy" scam is worse than the AGW scam.
Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000. Local levels in cities have no effect. Global warming is fiction from nuclear power and the stupid. You were taught about photosynthesis age 14 the
@JonThm Hey, the great thing about science, and in this case the science of man-made climate change, is that it's true, whether you choose to believe in it or not!
"Earth Day is a creation of the left, a pagan holiday devoted to fashioning a Socialist/Marxist world, even while Marx is being discredited across the globe." (Human Events, 4-28-90)
In China, the true cost of Britain’s clean, green wind power experiment:
"This toxic poisonous desert that remains is destroying the lives of Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what’s left behind after making the magnets for Britain’s latest wind turbines is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem. Britain’s government should be ashamed of the catastrophe taking place in China in the name of green power here in the UK."
You want me to define a poor person? Why? Is poverty a difficult concept for you to understand? It gives me a headache sinking down to your level
As for being responsible for them? Nah I ain't responsible for poor people pal just seems to me the very least I can do is give the tiniest shit about them but then that is the difference between me & people like you
"Given the slow rate of forest extension observed thus far, coupled with the climatic, edaphic and ecological factors, it is difficult to envision that the anticipated northward forest expansion and development of new forest communities as projected by model experiments in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (2004) would be completed by AD 2100. Developing a clearer understanding of the potential rate of response of the northern boreal forest and treeline zone is a critical area for research."
@PrairleDogged Very good Prairie, you can find some peer review, but as usual it's a nice cherry pick. If you look at Mann 2009 you see that he does have the Kola Peninsula as an ware that was warm during the MWP. It may have been about the same as the 1990s maybe even today.
So why more trees? Likely because that period lasted for a century or so. Today's warming is just getting started.
What do you think, other than you ability to chery pick, your MWP obsession proves?
The paper covered the Holocene and the MWP two separate periods so not just cherry picking one tree like your buddy did ~ what was it's number again? I forgot.
So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story and that still does not dislodge you from your blinkered and stubborn stance on the farcical mirage of CAGW ~ now what does that prove?
@PrairleDogged "So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story"
Except, of course, it doesn't as we know Mann and the other dozen hockey sticks look at global averages, not a regional event like your paper
What does it prove if your paper doesn't make me think like you? It proves I read the actual claims of a paper, know what they mean and not try to expand their meaning to fit my political needs. In other words it shows I'm smarter than you
On the Khibiny uplands located in the central Kola Peninsula, radiocarbon dates from Pinus stumps and forest palaeosols indicate that the treeline was located 100–140m higher in elevation than today during the MWP (between ca AD 600 and 1300 in this case). Forest has yet to recolonize these elevations (Kremenetski et al. 2004).
...cont "In both the Kola and the adjacent northern Fennoscandia, there is evidence for the continuous presence of P. sylvestris trees at their current northern range limits for at least several hundred years prior to the twentieth-century warming. In addition, there are similar patterns of enhanced recruitment in the eighteenth and twentieth centuries in both regions"
Climate change and the northern Russian treeline zone
G.M MacDonald et al
"Dendroecological studies indicate enhanced conifer recruitment during the twentieth century. However, conifers have not yet recolonized many areas where trees were present during the MWP or the Holocene Thermal Maximum ( 10000–3000 years ago). Reconstruction of tree distributions during the HTM suggests that the future position of the treeline due to global warming may approximate its former Holocene maximum position."
There r 2 reasons why people talk about an increase in these events being caused by a warmer earth
1 because they are!
2 because there is a (depressing) move towards appealing to people's self interest on this issue because
Unfortunately there are many selfish, ignorant scumbags like you in the western world who do not care about nature, animals, foreigners, poor people or future generations
Just another sideshow as we wait for the shit to hit the
@23peacefrog hey froggy you may have chickenlittle syndrome thats a shame as it is known to impair judgement and critical thinking.Or maybe you can present unequivocal evidence that climate sensivity to anthro co2 is high,and that it causes extreme weather events?
@ezeeskank Why should peacefrog present those things? The IPCC doesn't present a high climate sensitivity scenario. It's compilation of the available studies indicates a sensitivity of 2 to 4.5C per doubling with the most likely value of 3C. There are studies with high sensitivity like 7C but that isn't the consensus. Of course the low "no worries" case is non-existent.
AGW doesn't "cause" extreme weather it simply makes them more likely. The evidence for this is readily available on-line.
Please Google this and stfu about natural weather events ok?
'A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events James A. Marusek '
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You may wish to see that Nightversion'n' gets a copy too as she is also intellectually challenged and suffers the same Green mist as you do ~ have an Ice day and enjoy the reading.
Photosynthesis has converted all mankind's additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No effect on the weather possible! The natural climate has been cooling since 1998 anyway!
I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax for past climate changes? there must be a crimate model that can pin them on our consumerism and decadence.
@JonThm Wow, and that doesn't disprove the consensus of the scientific community that global warming is happening and human activity is accelerating it.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it ;)
some of you never understand HUMANS have ONLY been around during the 10,000 year of the NON ICE Age time line in the climate cycle between Ice ages etc.. you have NO concept of whats really going on do you ... even the samples from ICE, Soil and such from History of Earths time line are just guild lines not fact as they very from country to country and still raise questions why this or that happen.. PLS stop being used by the Dem's EPA Agenda that has been proven to have NON PHD's "fake PHD's"!
some of you ppl are just too wild and over the deep end! LOL I bet you watch them late night info ads on TV and buy all that snake oil type of cure all stuff LOL
Please type into Google "Digging into the core: The cold truth about CO2" to see my article on global warming and why the IPCC have grossly exaggerated the predicted warming from CO2.
I accept that the media "generally" tend to sensationalise things. Even the BBC, bless them, tend to hype things up during their relatively educational offerings. I'm not sure how debunking the media somehow translates to undermining the IPCC and the scientific studies. It just smells too strongly of either political agenda or wishful thinking. There are many commenters below focussing on single factors (like CO2). How can such people presume to have a rational opinion on such complex issues?
Sorry deniers, but an overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change. Also, there exist tens of thousands of papers from thousands of scientists working over the past decades to prove beyond all reasonable doubts that human are changing the atmosphere...
@Nightversionn with all those 10s of 1000s of papers & scientists, a reasonable person would think that someone could come up with some evidence that AGW is doing anything to the planet.
these same scientists say that the climate has been stable for 100s of years & one of the IPCC's head climate gurus says we are entering a period of global cooling!!
funny how u believed him when he said warming but not when he said cooling.
y'all are hilariously stupid...but always good for a few laughs.
@23peacefrog that was "ur" in the plural sense...like all y'all...
y'all read from the same play book so between the fake IDs & the AGW playbook crap, it does get confusing.
so, ya got any evidence of man made GW or have you given up on that & just gone full time to the personal attack approach?
and yeah, i am way waaaaayyyyyy waaaayyyyyy smarter than you...ur the one that has to resort to personal attack cuz u lack the intellectual firepower to debate me honestly..
@23peacefrog i'm way smarter than u, bub. when i back y'all into a corner, do u admit ur full of crap (as we all know you are)?? no, u launch a personal attack like u just did.
when i totally debunk ur more forest fires, more intense snow & floods BS, do u ever say to urself, "gee, i must be a total like epic dope"? no, u just keep on with more BS. are you interested in the truth?
or are u just an ignorant fool who has no regard for truth or facts? (i'll go with ignorant fool).
1st year Tax rates on new cars ~ not content with ripping the shit out of vehicle owners with fuel duty they have another slice of the cake ~ Exxon / BP etc eat your hearts out you are only novices at this Big Oil for profit game 186-200 CO2 emission (g/km) £445.00 201-225 CO2 emission (g/km) £580.00 226-255 CO2 emission (g/km) £790.00 Over 255 CO2 emission (g/km) £1,000.00 . Yep that is £1000.00 road tax to put your new car on the road (the CO2 portion) plus other taxes of course.
The scientist are the ones creating the illusion on the back of government grants ~ the FOIA emails have plenty of references to the art ~ but then they've been conveniently greenwashed for the "cause"
Is tax relief a subsidy? does the IRS subsidise you by giving you allowances? asshole !!
You bitch like a six year old little girl about all the taxes you pay, but "think" it's just dandy that oil companies benefits from the infrastructure that YOUR taxes pay for?
@PrairleDogged have u noticed, if u read back, these loons have tried every trick in the book today. they went with the more frequent forest fires & more intense floods & snow storms....each of which i totally debunked....& what do they do? totally ignore the truth & keep on with their lunacy....it's really amazing!! & then they say they are interested in the truth??? see what ur dealing with?
They are priceless I heard all this shit forty years ago ~ peal oil ~ pollution yada yada yada ~ and what have they achieved for their multi billion dollars/pound models?
What difference would anyone notice if all that bogus science never happened? the monies they've filched out of the system for sloppy biased science would have brought relief to many suffering people instead of junketing ex-spurts jetting around the globe to 'save the planet' !!!
BY THE WAY....i am totally disappointed in y'all. i asked what the objections to the keystone pipeline are figuring you enviro-nazis would know and y'all came up with zilch. so i had to write a paper saying there were no real valid objections, just the usual enviro-nazi obstructionism BUT that yomamma would use it as a chip in the upcoming election....so when he gets in trouble, he'll throw you nuts under the bus & say okay, go with the pipeline.
Eco-Loons make you wash your trash before you bin it then charge you twice to dump it ~ you could not make it up.
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"Chancellor Alistair Darling has announced that the landfill tax escalator will be extended for another year until 2014 and will continue to increase by £8 per tonne in this years Budget.
This will mean that landfill tax will be £56 in 2011, £64 in 2012, £72 in 2013, and £80 in 2014 per tonne."
"There has been nothing mentioned about the “Carbon Tax’s” effect on refrigerant, so I feel compelled to inform you as a refrigeration wholesaler, that the impact of this useless tax will be massive. The price of refrigerant will rise a minimum of 300% at the wholesale level. This is based on each refrigerants GWP multiplied by the carbon tax per tonne. eg. R404a has a GWP of 3862, which multiplied by $23/tonne equals $88/kg TAX."
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Pass it on the consumer deserves it for LIVING !!!
"This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in EU to now one of the most expensive. When first added, fuel prices rose by 3p a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn’t get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3p was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel."
Those greedy Oil companies having to find, drill, transport, refine, transport ( again ) then have our not so greedy government hike it up by a measly 81.5% so they can squander it on green follies and keeping the Left Whingers in benefits.
The stretchy eco-loon thinks that because a government does not take ALL of a companies profit in tax it is somehow giving that company a subsidy ~ you know like if you get mugged and the mugger leaves you with $10 for your cab fare the mugger in her mind is subsidising you and you should be grateful ~ lol these juice junkies are a scream.
@PrairleDogged i think the oil companies make something like 7 cents a gallon while the govt makes 50 cents a gallon for doing nothing....and then these dopey politicians & enviro-nazis, who probably never took a risk in their lives, want to criticize.
"Slawson Exploration Co. Inc. was charged under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for killing 12 birds that died after allegedly landing in oil waste pits in western North Dakota from May 6 through June 20. Under a plea agreement filed in federal court Monday, Slawson will pay $12,000 — or $1,000 per bird — to the nonprofit National Fish and Wildlife Foundation."
Hey guys. I finally made a blog for politics and news (yes, there are post about global warming). Often I do not get to fully respond to all post on youtube, so I made a blog where I could go to often and be able to post more thorough comments and actually have a discussion. If you want to check it out, anyone can comment : bite-sizereality*blogspot*com ...if you are a gmail or blogger user, follow the blog once I get the button up for that. Hope to see your names on the blog soon!
Trust the scientists they have their fingers on the pulse ( grants )
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"However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."
On 12 Jan 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology estimated that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds and bats . The average per turbine comes down to 333 -1,000 deaths PA, which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the US wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole US, which has twice as many turbines as Spain.
@PrairleDogged "wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds". A visit to wikipedia's List of Fallacies should be a pre-requisite for anyone commenting on a GW vid.
"On one of the windiest days in October last year, National Grid paid wind farms £1.6 million, or £361 per MW/h on average, about four times the price that operators would expect to sell their electricity, according to ENDS, the specialist environmental information provider.
Consumer Focus said that wind-farm operators should not be able to hold National Grid to ransom by demanding huge payments in return for not generating electricity."
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as 'bad luck.'"
Just how long does it take rain to return to the sea?
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"According to NASA’s Dr. Hansen, 2010 was the hottest year ever, and Greenland temperatures were also the hottest ever. We are told this led to record melt in Greenland, which caused massive amounts of water to pour into the ocean. Additionally, thermal expansion from the record heat caused the oceans to get much deeper."
"Satellite data shows us that sea level has been falling steadily since the start of 2010, which tells us that the missing water and the missing heat must be hiding at the bottom of the ocean – along with the missing intelligence and integrity of government scientists."
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Mmm what will the excuse this year be? soot? lake effect? sulphates? anti-matter? calibration errors on the Jason satellite gets my vote ~ nobody will be able to check the claims *o))
@PrairleDogged No excuses just proper science based on measurement rather than the guess work of your "source." The extraordinarily large precipitation events leading to all those floods. But you've been shown the data before. You just prefer your pathetic cherrypicks. LOL
I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger ~ lol
Two years and a 20mm missing H2O that is one hell of a lot of water considering the percentage of our planets surface that is water ~ at this rate ( unless it rains ) we will not need those wellington boots by the year 2100 ~ LOL :o)
@PrairleDogged "I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger"
Actually I wouldn't put that past deniers to do that. But, yeah, it was a lot of water and it will take time to get back. Replenishment of reservoirs and aquifers plus moisture held by the ground, etc etc means it doesn't just all pour straight back in. But it looks looks like it's getting there:
So by your argument the aquifers / reservoirs and water tables were depleted obviously due to your bogieman AGW?
That is a very interesting observation and if filling those takes 20mm off the oceans mean then surely that would explain the last two decades of rise would it not?
Some Cherries are bitter at this time of year aren't they LOL
No but man does play his role. And no it doesn't explain the last few decades. It's only a tiny fraction of the water needed for that. Of course by this point I don't expect you to understand anything about science but there are a lot of things that slow water in it's way back to the sea.
But I can see the cherry you picked must be bitter as you've avoided looking at (or perhaps just seeing) the latest data. LOL
@rugbyguy59 "(Prairle dog: "I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger": Actually I wouldn't put that past deniers to do that. " Are you suggesting the doubters might constructively re-engineer the earth and take all necessary mitigation measures to ensure a happy human future, just to spite and defeat the AGWs, and show there's no AGW?
i'm working on a keystone pipline paper so i need to know exactly what the enviro-nuts are objecting to. i just pulled up a map of existing pipelines and there are literally 100s criss-crossing the USA...& that's not counting things like sewers, water lines, gas lines, etc.
so, what, EXACTLY, is the problem with keystone???
As usual big ideas scare you into the lamest childish insults! Anything intelligent to say about what our race may be capable of in the future? Or is the ability to extract ever more hard to reach hydrocarbons the sum total of your vision you moron
@PrairleDogged "Great idea I suggest a huge stone circle in Wiltshire ~ we could make sacrifices there too to the bean Gods". Well, it's you politicist guys trying to make sure that's how we end up. Wonder what happened to the original circle builders anyway?? Love and kisses, the Easter Islanders.
@23peacefrog i have lotsa imagination......i don't dismiss the possibility that humans could someday develop technology to control the climate. if that were to happen, i would then have to ask..."who gets to control the thermostat?"
"The Alberta Tar Sands are believed to contain the planet’s second-largest deposit of oil, after Saudi Arabia, and extracting it takes a lot more energy than traditional drilling. If we start down that path, warns James Hansen, a climate activist and scientist with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, it will be “game over for the planet.”
You have to laugh at these mealy mouthed Left Whingers who could not organise a piss up in a brewery ~ they develop huge monstrosities to catch the wind and a not so free lunch ~ these turn out to be efficient wildlife cullers but not so hot on keeping the power grid going when the wind is strong or the weather is cold ~ like we need masses of power when it's warm and still *o)
I wonder what their next brainwaves will produce Toxic lightbulbs? Oops
@PrairleDogged Fossil fuels have meant that humans have exceeded the ability of ecosystem services to cope with our demands hence they are in decline. 1 billion are in poverty and at least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day. Quality of life is more important than quantity of lives.
Have you courted the opinion of those 1 billion who are in poverty? and the 80% who live on less than $10 a day ?
Rather than making rash assumptions on their wish to have been born and therefore to be alive I think you ought to ask them if they would rather no be here don't you?
I can see now that you indeed do have a 'master plan' to remove the excesses and reduce their carbon input ~ do you tell them or does the solution come in the early hours?
"Currently, wind power generation only accounts for about 1%, roughly 3 million homes, of all the energy being generated in the US. if renewable energy is mandated to increase to 20% over the years to help curb global warming, the number of bird deaths associated with wind power could increase 20 fold, to roughly 900,000 to 1.8 million deaths a year. "
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So what they're only dumb birds ~ survival of the fittest will ensure only fat flightless Turkeys will prosper Eh Fiddler *o))
Tell you what, shitfire... Since you're now all weepy for animals, let's see some of that new found concern for the 1 to 2 million of our fine feathered friends that die due to oil and gas extraction, NOT TO MENTION the hundreds of species going extinct due to AGW.
FOS as usual ~ go to the source ~ Oooops ~ there there *o)
12/01/2012
SEO/BirdLife presenta una nueva guía para la evaluación del impacto de parques eólicos en aves y murciélagos (12/01/12)
Hoy en el I Congreso Ibérico sobre Energía Eólica y Conservación de la Fauna
• Los más de 18.000 aerogeneradores que hay en España, podrían estar causando una mortalidad anual de aves y murciélagos comprendida entre los 6 y 18 millones de individuos
UK Viewers - Currently screening on Sky SCIENCE CHANNEL - 'CATASTROPHE.'
Tony Robinson and a whole of scientists (including Paul Wignall Leed Uni) describing the Permian extinction event, HOW, during the course of the Siberian Traps Event, Hydrogen Sulphide poisoned 95% of all life FOLLOWED BY (and b/c the 10 degree temp rise caused all MH to become unstable) the hydrates then rose to the surface & turned Earth into a giant fireball.
The scientists go on to warn about current CO2 levels
The Green solution to this daily carnage? why lets build dem der turdbines out in the ocean where those nasty deniers cannot pick corpses up and count them ~ sounds like a plan.
We're supposed to believe that a "guy" who doesn't give two steaming turds that 42 million people were displaced in one year due to climate related extreme weather events is getting all weepy over "wind turbine bird kills?"
You take "disingenuous" to previously unseen levels, Dopey.
On 12 January 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Jerez de la Frontera, Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology (SEO/Birdlife) made public its estimate that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 to 18 million birds and bats.
...cont The average per turbine comes down to 333 – 1,000 deaths annually, which is a far cry from the 2 – 4 birds claimed by the American wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain.
Doesn't take much investigation, shitfire, to discover that the presenter of these fowl numbers was a "Mark Duchamp," and is NOT basing them on any empirical evidence.
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Snowy owls soar south from Arctic in rare mass migration
An especially plentiful supply of lemmings last season likely led to a population boom among owls that resulted in each breeding pair hatching as many as seven offspring
He said snowy owl populations are believed to be in an overall decline, possibly because a changing climate has lessened the abundance of vegetation like grasses that lemmings rely on.
RandomVersion 2 hours ago
Listen, Climate change is real, but we don't know yet whether or not humans contributed it or not.
DP3mo24hofosho 1 day ago
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@DP3mo24hofosho Uuummmmm, yes, yes we do know that humans are "contributing" to it. In fact we're likely 100% behind it in the past 50 years.
rugbyguy59 20 hours ago
@DP3mo24hofosho of course climate change is real...the climate has always changed so this is no great scientific discovery! i bet it will change again too....wanna put $10 on it?
badvagirl 6 hours ago
@badvagirl Climate is always changing, everything is in a state of constant change (duh?), but human activities are accelerating it. Arguing with deniers is like arguing with Evangelicals about evolution or that the earth is billions of years old, not thousands. But you of course are lying on purpose to serve the financial interests of your corporate masters
Nightversionn 47 minutes ago
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@PrairieDogged
Ha ha!
It's you that's scared:
Of carbon tax, hippies, Al Gore, science, lefties & windmills
Pussy!
23peacefrog 1 day ago
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@PrairieDogged
Ha ha!
It's you that's scared:
Of carbon tax, hippies, Al Gore, science, lefties & windmills
Pussy!
23peacefrog 1 day ago
Behold the complacent tricksters who have nothing to lose because they think they will be dead before the shit hits the fan
they just wanna burn more oil and are stalling for time
to anyone below 30(& probably lots of u who are older) you will live long enough & it won't be pretty. If you think the earth is an inherently stable system that is wishful thinking of the highest order
23peacefrog 1 day ago
@23peaceToady
I can smell your fear from here ~ go change your skidders.
PrairleDogged 1 day ago
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Behold the alarmist pinheads peacefrog,yourkids and nightversionn.Spongebrains who have been fooled into thinking the climate is going to go crazy because of co2.These three jokers are a perfect example of how malliable the human mind is when bombarded by years of indoctrination thru education,media and entertainment.Maybe another 20 years of failed climate disaster predictions from the climate models and from extremists like Hansen will wake them from their slumber.
Gilgamesh2020 1 day ago
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@BDBK666
I hear what you are saying about "going on all the time" and it is a good point as far as it goes
But this is ONE indicator of warming
Actually not many people are saying these events are THE proof of global warming
If these events are happening cos of GW then potentially we have much worse in store
We will not kill the earth(yeah, i know!)but it may become at lot harder to live here(sounds ok if you say it quick)
23peacefrog 2 days ago
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@badvagirl
...Pakistan floods 2010(worst in 80 years)
US Tornado season 2011(deadliest since 1936)
Drought in Horn of Africa 2011(worst in 60 years)
Southern US/Mexico drought 2011(?worst on record)
Hurricane season of 2005(worst recorded)
If you want DIRECT linkage between these and human emitted co2 I don't believe that is even possible!!
23peacefrog 2 days ago
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@23peacefrog
htt p: //en. wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_famines
PrairleDogged 2 days ago
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@23peacefrog It doesn't matter to the deniers how many billion dollar disasters happen in a short period of time in line with climate predictions, the scientists and all the people experiencing disasters right now are all part of the conspiracy
Nightversionn 2 days ago
@23peacefrog So all that happened 60-80+ years ago, how was it not human caused global warming back then, but it is now. Seems to me, that all of your dates just prove it happens all the time. I bet that weather back then was the worst in 60 years too. The earth obviously changes temp all the time, and to think that humans could kill the 4.5 billion year old earth in less than 200 years is just funny. The earth was a ball of ice at one time...Things change here.
BDBK666 2 days ago
Badvagirl
"extreme weather"
What I said is that a warmer earth will
experience more extreme weather
There will always be extreme weather but the issue is how much
I can list some extreme weather events if you really want
23peacefrog 2 days ago
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More evidence/impacts of climate change series..
(Please read article before the DENIER with all the SOCK PUPPET ACCOUNTS censors it)..
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Flooding is biggest climate risk to UK, report says
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Flooding will be Britain's biggest climate risk this century, with damage set to cost as much as 12 billion pounds a year by the 2080s if nothing is done to adapt to extreme weather, a report said on Thursday.
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Reuters
26 January 2012
Nightversionn 2 days ago
CO2 one of the building blocks of a productive ecology.
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“Experiments conducted in places like the U.S and Europe, where scientists pumped extra amounts of carbon dioxide gas into forests, did seem to show that such ‘carbon dioxide fertilization,’ caused plants to grow better—up to a point,” says Nemani."
PrairleDogged 2 days ago
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" Scientists and environmental policy decision makers across the world want to know what is happening to all the carbon in the carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere through fossil fuel and biomass burning, such as forest fires or firewood used as fuel. If carbon dioxide is “food” for plants, maybe more of it in the atmosphere caused plants to grow better."
PrairleDogged 2 days ago
@badvagirl
It was a simple enough question
How much more co2 does there have to be in the atmosphere b4 an increase in temp will be observed
You seem to be asserting that co2 does not have an effect on temp
Which is simply wrong
23peacefrog 2 days ago
"Changes in rainfall, temperature and sunlight between 1982 and 1999 increased the overall productivity of land plants by 6 percent. This map shows productivity increases in green, while decreases are shown in brown. Productivity increased the most in tropical regions, where climate change resulted in fewer clouds and more sunlight. [Image by Robert Simmon, NASA Earth Observatory, based on data provided by the University of Montana Numerical Terradynamic Simulations Group (NTSG)]"
PrairleDogged 2 days ago
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moron, did you see the record heat in texas and the rest of the country the last two years, look up texas drought, new mexico wilfires, geogia drought with 2010 2011 in the search terms, fools!
NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record
According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th ...
NASA - NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record
livingproofof 2 days ago
Harvard University put on record 2010 that global average carbon dioxide has not increased says levels halved at the end of the little ice age
JonThm 2 days ago
Green plants taking carbon dioxide to grow
JonThm 2 days ago
@badvagirl
well cock-a-doody!
Question for you: how much more co2 would there need to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature? Rough guess will do(& don't worry I AM aware that co2 is not flammable)
23peacefrog 2 days ago
@23peacefrog "how much more co2 would have to be in the atmosphere to cause an increase in temperature?"
actually, the correct question should be 'how much warmer does it have to get to increase the co2 level in the atmosphere since warmer precedes rise in co2'. and i don't know the answer to that....do you?
i think a good question for you is 'how much co2 would we have to take OUT of the atmosphere to cause a decrease in temperature?
and, why in hell would you want to make it colder?
badvagirl 2 days ago
@23peacefrog yeah...cock-a-doody!!
you said there were more 'extreme weather events" caused by man made co2...i asked you what, where, when & more extreme compared to what?
you sooooooooooooooooooo failed to support your assertion. which i totally expected. stop reading AGW blogs, they're nothing but alarmist trash.
badvagirl 2 days ago
Photosynthesis has converted all man is additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No possible effect on the weather. Which has been cooling since 1998. Of into 100 leading American academics.
JonThm 2 days ago
@JonThm And yet we can measure the increase and the tell tale signature that says it's our CO2.
Of course you claimed on my channel that it was Irish Co2. Maybe that acts differently.
rugbyguy59 2 days ago
Photosynthesis converts additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. Man made climate change is fiction from nuclear power: and there is no reason to believe nuclear fiction!
JonThm 2 days ago
NEWS ALERT!!!
another yomamma "green" company bites the dust!!
Ener1, some kind of whacky battery company that got $118 million from the yomamma crapulous went under. of course, the $118 million was borrowed from china 7 we still have to pay the interest on that debt.
the "green energy" scam is worse than the AGW scam.
badvagirl 2 days ago
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wipemyrrs 3 days ago
Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000. Local levels in cities have no effect. Global warming is fiction from nuclear power and the stupid. You were taught about photosynthesis age 14 the
JonThm 3 days ago
@JonThm Hey, the great thing about science, and in this case the science of man-made climate change, is that it's true, whether you choose to believe in it or not!
Nightversionn 3 days ago
@JonThm "Photosynthesis limits average global carbon dioxide to two parts per 1,000,000"
Meanwhile CO2 levels on average rise by 2 parts per million each year. Looks like Jonthm is thinking with his John Thomas.
rugbyguy59 2 days ago
"Earth Day is a creation of the left, a pagan holiday devoted to fashioning a Socialist/Marxist world, even while Marx is being discredited across the globe." (Human Events, 4-28-90)
GreenChurchReject 3 days ago
@PrairieDogged
"you can't define a poor person but still use them as pawns in your game"
Eh?
23peacefrog 3 days ago
In China, the true cost of Britain’s clean, green wind power experiment:
"This toxic poisonous desert that remains is destroying the lives of Chinese farmers, their children and their land. It is what’s left behind after making the magnets for Britain’s latest wind turbines is merely one of a multitude of environmental sins committed in the name of our new green Jerusalem. Britain’s government should be ashamed of the catastrophe taking place in China in the name of green power here in the UK."
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
@PrairieDogged"define a poor person"
You want me to define a poor person? Why? Is poverty a difficult concept for you to understand? It gives me a headache sinking down to your level
As for being responsible for them? Nah I ain't responsible for poor people pal just seems to me the very least I can do is give the tiniest shit about them but then that is the difference between me & people like you
23peacefrog 3 days ago
@23peaceToad
You cannot define a poor person but you use them as pawns in your game?
Is a native living in the Amazon rainforest a "poor person" ?
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
@badvagirl
Ok I explain my ridiculous statement. Warmer means more energy in the system
Got that? basic
23peacefrog 3 days ago
"Given the slow rate of forest extension observed thus far, coupled with the climatic, edaphic and ecological factors, it is difficult to envision that the anticipated northward forest expansion and development of new forest communities as projected by model experiments in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (2004) would be completed by AD 2100. Developing a clearer understanding of the potential rate of response of the northern boreal forest and treeline zone is a critical area for research."
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
@PrairleDogged Very good Prairie, you can find some peer review, but as usual it's a nice cherry pick. If you look at Mann 2009 you see that he does have the Kola Peninsula as an ware that was warm during the MWP. It may have been about the same as the 1990s maybe even today.
So why more trees? Likely because that period lasted for a century or so. Today's warming is just getting started.
What do you think, other than you ability to chery pick, your MWP obsession proves?
rugbyguy59 3 days ago
@rugbyguy59
The paper covered the Holocene and the MWP two separate periods so not just cherry picking one tree like your buddy did ~ what was it's number again? I forgot.
So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story and that still does not dislodge you from your blinkered and stubborn stance on the farcical mirage of CAGW ~ now what does that prove?
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
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@PrairleDogged "So empirical evidence pisses all over your hypothetical unprecedented warming story"
Except, of course, it doesn't as we know Mann and the other dozen hockey sticks look at global averages, not a regional event like your paper
What does it prove if your paper doesn't make me think like you? It proves I read the actual claims of a paper, know what they mean and not try to expand their meaning to fit my political needs. In other words it shows I'm smarter than you
rugbyguy59 3 days ago
On the Khibiny uplands located in the central Kola Peninsula, radiocarbon dates from Pinus stumps and forest palaeosols indicate that the treeline was located 100–140m higher in elevation than today during the MWP (between ca AD 600 and 1300 in this case). Forest has yet to recolonize these elevations (Kremenetski et al. 2004).
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
...cont "In both the Kola and the adjacent northern Fennoscandia, there is evidence for the continuous presence of P. sylvestris trees at their current northern range limits for at least several hundred years prior to the twentieth-century warming. In addition, there are similar patterns of enhanced recruitment in the eighteenth and twentieth centuries in both regions"
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
Climate change and the northern Russian treeline zone
G.M MacDonald et al
"Dendroecological studies indicate enhanced conifer recruitment during the twentieth century. However, conifers have not yet recolonized many areas where trees were present during the MWP or the Holocene Thermal Maximum ( 10000–3000 years ago). Reconstruction of tree distributions during the HTM suggests that the future position of the treeline due to global warming may approximate its former Holocene maximum position."
PrairleDogged 3 days ago
..fan
23peacefrog 4 days ago
@PrairieDogged
Re"extreme weather events"
There r 2 reasons why people talk about an increase in these events being caused by a warmer earth
1 because they are!
2 because there is a (depressing) move towards appealing to people's self interest on this issue because
Unfortunately there are many selfish, ignorant scumbags like you in the western world who do not care about nature, animals, foreigners, poor people or future generations
Just another sideshow as we wait for the shit to hit the
23peacefrog 4 days ago
@23peacefrog I think you are speaking to "PrairLeDogged" right
Nightversionn 4 days ago
@23peacefrog hey froggy you may have chickenlittle syndrome thats a shame as it is known to impair judgement and critical thinking.Or maybe you can present unequivocal evidence that climate sensivity to anthro co2 is high,and that it causes extreme weather events?
ezeeskank 4 days ago
@ezeeskank Why should peacefrog present those things? The IPCC doesn't present a high climate sensitivity scenario. It's compilation of the available studies indicates a sensitivity of 2 to 4.5C per doubling with the most likely value of 3C. There are studies with high sensitivity like 7C but that isn't the consensus. Of course the low "no worries" case is non-existent.
AGW doesn't "cause" extreme weather it simply makes them more likely. The evidence for this is readily available on-line.
rugbyguy59 3 days ago
@23peaceToad
Your hippie is slipping my green tree frog ~ unfortunately you assume I do not care for nature and animals you could not be further from the truth.
As for "poor" people define a poor person and make a case for why I should responsible for those people.
PrairleDogged 4 days ago
@23peaceToad
For the educating of the misinformed ( you )
Please Google this and stfu about natural weather events ok?
'A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events James A. Marusek '
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You may wish to see that Nightversion'n' gets a copy too as she is also intellectually challenged and suffers the same Green mist as you do ~ have an Ice day and enjoy the reading.
PrairleDogged 4 days ago
@23peaceToad
htt p: //earthobservatory. nasa. gov/Features/GlobalGarden/
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Read it and weep you pathetic excuse for a eco-warrior.
PrairleDogged 4 days ago
@23peacefrog what increase in extreme weather events?????????????? where? when? compared to what?
what do you call an "extreme weather event"??? you need to back up this ridiculous statement.
badvagirl 3 days ago
Photosynthesis has converted all mankind's additional carbon dioxide into extra life on earth. No effect on the weather possible! The natural climate has been cooling since 1998 anyway!
JonThm 4 days ago
@JonThm 2005, 2010 warmest years. 2011 warmest La Nina year. 11 of warmest 12 years in the 21st century. So yeah, it continues to warm.
40% rise in CO2 concentrations in the past 175 years. Your plants aren't doing what you say.
How can a candidate for a science PhD be so uninformed?
rugbyguy59 3 days ago
Man-made climate change does not cause extreme weather we are seeing worldwide, but it is fueling these events
Duh?
Nightversionn 4 days ago
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TheServiceWeb 4 days ago
This is fairly minimum-effort video, a couple of dodgy media clips, classic IRL stuff. Wonder who posted the original (and why)?
bobinhk1 4 days ago
@PrairieDogged
"I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax"
It's numpties like u who are obsessed by tax
Every day of our lives the system f**ks us & our future but it's the yet to exist carbon tax that gets you mad?
I think you are not concerned about this planet because you don't live on it
23peacefrog 4 days ago
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I wonder whether the eco-nuts have thought of bringing in retrospective tax for past climate changes? there must be a crimate model that can pin them on our consumerism and decadence.
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htt p: //en. wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_famines
PrairleDogged 5 days ago
Photosynthesis may use two parts per 1,000,000 carbon dioxide in the air. And has done since the end of the little ice age
JonThm 5 days ago
@JonThm Wow, and that doesn't disprove the consensus of the scientific community that global warming is happening and human activity is accelerating it.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it ;)
Nightversionn 4 days ago
Photosynthesis metabolises all available carbon dioxide from the air
JonThm 5 days ago
@JonThm You mean there is no CO2 in the atmosphere?????
Think before you post Jon.
rugbyguy59 5 days ago
@PrairieDogged
"I have friends who put their trash through the dishwasher before they discard it"
LOL I don't know to tell you this but your friends are f**kin idiots! Do they think you are the smart one?
LMFAO
23peacefrog 6 days ago
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@23peacefrog
ecoloons are loons lmfao 2
UtubeSpamdetector 6 days ago
@23peacefrog
does washing your rubbish cleanse your soul from the guilt of living?
UtubeSpamdetector 6 days ago
@UtubeSpamdetector Can you not read the post?
Nightversionn 6 days ago
@23peacefrog
"DoggyStyle" doesn't have any friends.
But if he did, I'm sure they'd be the type to run their trash through the dishwasher!
YourKidsArentSpecial 5 days ago
@YourKidsArentSpecial How was your latest perverted snuff film? Did you pleasure yourself?
RyanMonckton3610 3 days ago
Newsflash
Mercury contamination of the water table increases due to landfill seepage.
Mercury background level increases due to trash incineration.
Mercury timebomb as billions of CFL's in circulation fail at an alarming rate.
Mercury real danger when CFL's broken in domestic situations.
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
some of you never understand HUMANS have ONLY been around during the 10,000 year of the NON ICE Age time line in the climate cycle between Ice ages etc.. you have NO concept of whats really going on do you ... even the samples from ICE, Soil and such from History of Earths time line are just guild lines not fact as they very from country to country and still raise questions why this or that happen.. PLS stop being used by the Dem's EPA Agenda that has been proven to have NON PHD's "fake PHD's"!
DigitalAsianEyes 6 days ago
some of you ppl are just too wild and over the deep end! LOL I bet you watch them late night info ads on TV and buy all that snake oil type of cure all stuff LOL
DigitalAsianEyes 6 days ago
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Please type into Google "Digging into the core: The cold truth about CO2" to see my article on global warming and why the IPCC have grossly exaggerated the predicted warming from CO2.
CHIPSTERO7 6 days ago
I accept that the media "generally" tend to sensationalise things. Even the BBC, bless them, tend to hype things up during their relatively educational offerings. I'm not sure how debunking the media somehow translates to undermining the IPCC and the scientific studies. It just smells too strongly of either political agenda or wishful thinking. There are many commenters below focussing on single factors (like CO2). How can such people presume to have a rational opinion on such complex issues?
bobinhk1 6 days ago
@bobinhk1 u say: "many commenters...focusing on single factors (like co2)."
of course...isn't co2 the whole AGW schtick??? they blame co2 for everything that never happens. i think it's called being a "one trick pony".
badvagirl 6 days ago
Sorry deniers, but an overwhelming mass of evidence supports the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change. Also, there exist tens of thousands of papers from thousands of scientists working over the past decades to prove beyond all reasonable doubts that human are changing the atmosphere...
Nightversionn 6 days ago
@Nightversionn with all those 10s of 1000s of papers & scientists, a reasonable person would think that someone could come up with some evidence that AGW is doing anything to the planet.
these same scientists say that the climate has been stable for 100s of years & one of the IPCC's head climate gurus says we are entering a period of global cooling!!
funny how u believed him when he said warming but not when he said cooling.
y'all are hilariously stupid...but always good for a few laughs.
badvagirl 6 days ago
@idiotgirl @gamblinman2002 @gabriella1147
Hey, idiotgirl... was this you?
"Arkansas Democrat's cat killed, painted with "liberal" reuters(dot)com, 1/23/12
Sounds like something you'd do.
YourKidsArentSpecial 5 days ago
@badvagirl
"way smarter than you bub.. debunk ur forest fires..back you into a corner"
I think u r confusing me with someone else or possibly one of the voices in your head because i don't recall posting anything about forest fires
You couldn't back your way out of a wet paper bag you loon
23peacefrog 6 days ago
@23peacefrog that was "ur" in the plural sense...like all y'all...
y'all read from the same play book so between the fake IDs & the AGW playbook crap, it does get confusing.
so, ya got any evidence of man made GW or have you given up on that & just gone full time to the personal attack approach?
and yeah, i am way waaaaayyyyyy waaaayyyyyy smarter than you...ur the one that has to resort to personal attack cuz u lack the intellectual firepower to debate me honestly..
now git outta here.
badvagirl 6 days ago
@badvagirl
"have u noticed, these loons have tried every trick in the book today..."
aaah it means a lot to you doesn't it?
Unfortunately you r only confirming over & over how ignorant and stupid you are(very & very)
You should use this forum to get together with "Big Wind" PrairieDogged
A bit of sexy time might lighten you both up a bit!!
23peacefrog 6 days ago
@23peacefrog i'm way smarter than u, bub. when i back y'all into a corner, do u admit ur full of crap (as we all know you are)?? no, u launch a personal attack like u just did.
when i totally debunk ur more forest fires, more intense snow & floods BS, do u ever say to urself, "gee, i must be a total like epic dope"? no, u just keep on with more BS. are you interested in the truth?
or are u just an ignorant fool who has no regard for truth or facts? (i'll go with ignorant fool).
badvagirl 6 days ago
@idiotgirl @gamblinman2002 @gabriella1147
"i'm way smarter than u, bub"
Oh, my GOD!
Some idiot who can't even perform SIMPLE DIVISION disparaging someone's intelligence?!?
You should start attending class, Dopey.
You're certainly not absorbing anything here, making yourself look like a complete baboon.
YourKidsArentSpecial 6 days ago
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More rain ~ more droughts
More heatwaves ~ more cold spells
More Hurricanes ~ less Hurricanes
More Snow ~ Less Ice
More BULLSHIT ~ Check
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged
If your gripe is purely taxation then take your anger to the government, not the scientists.
TheElasticJesusRez 6 days ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
The scientist are the ones creating the illusion on the back of government grants ~ the FOIA emails have plenty of references to the art ~ but then they've been conveniently greenwashed for the "cause"
Is tax relief a subsidy? does the IRS subsidise you by giving you allowances? asshole !!
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
Jesus, shitfire.
You bitch like a six year old little girl about all the taxes you pay, but "think" it's just dandy that oil companies benefits from the infrastructure that YOUR taxes pay for?
You are INDEED thick as a brick, Dopey.
Thanks for the comedy!
YourKidsArentSpecial 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged have u noticed, if u read back, these loons have tried every trick in the book today. they went with the more frequent forest fires & more intense floods & snow storms....each of which i totally debunked....& what do they do? totally ignore the truth & keep on with their lunacy....it's really amazing!! & then they say they are interested in the truth??? see what ur dealing with?
badvagirl 6 days ago
@badvagirl
They are priceless I heard all this shit forty years ago ~ peal oil ~ pollution yada yada yada ~ and what have they achieved for their multi billion dollars/pound models?
What difference would anyone notice if all that bogus science never happened? the monies they've filched out of the system for sloppy biased science would have brought relief to many suffering people instead of junketing ex-spurts jetting around the globe to 'save the planet' !!!
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged
* peak :)
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@badvagirl
"of which i totally debunked."
Hahahahahah! You're a legend of your own imagination. Still, prairLETroll will humour you cos he likes birds that can't see the woods for the trees.
When's the wedding? LOL.
TheElasticJesusRez 6 days ago
BY THE WAY....i am totally disappointed in y'all. i asked what the objections to the keystone pipeline are figuring you enviro-nazis would know and y'all came up with zilch. so i had to write a paper saying there were no real valid objections, just the usual enviro-nazi obstructionism BUT that yomamma would use it as a chip in the upcoming election....so when he gets in trouble, he'll throw you nuts under the bus & say okay, go with the pipeline.
badvagirl 6 days ago
Eco-Loons make you wash your trash before you bin it then charge you twice to dump it ~ you could not make it up.
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"Chancellor Alistair Darling has announced that the landfill tax escalator will be extended for another year until 2014 and will continue to increase by £8 per tonne in this years Budget.
This will mean that landfill tax will be £56 in 2011, £64 in 2012, £72 in 2013, and £80 in 2014 per tonne."
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
"There has been nothing mentioned about the “Carbon Tax’s” effect on refrigerant, so I feel compelled to inform you as a refrigeration wholesaler, that the impact of this useless tax will be massive. The price of refrigerant will rise a minimum of 300% at the wholesale level. This is based on each refrigerants GWP multiplied by the carbon tax per tonne. eg. R404a has a GWP of 3862, which multiplied by $23/tonne equals $88/kg TAX."
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Pass it on the consumer deserves it for LIVING !!!
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
"This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in EU to now one of the most expensive. When first added, fuel prices rose by 3p a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn’t get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3p was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel."
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
OMG
Those greedy Oil companies having to find, drill, transport, refine, transport ( again ) then have our not so greedy government hike it up by a measly 81.5% so they can squander it on green follies and keeping the Left Whingers in benefits.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them ~ Yawn
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged
I know, what a bummer. You pay 81% tax on fuel that ends up in the Energy company coffers anyway via a $470 billion subsidy.
???
TheElasticJesusRez 6 days ago
@TheElasticJesusRez how does 81% tax end up in the energy company coffers?
badvagirl 6 days ago
@badvagirl
Duh! Ready the comment slowly and it might sink in.
TheElasticJesusRez 6 days ago
@badvagirl
The stretchy eco-loon thinks that because a government does not take ALL of a companies profit in tax it is somehow giving that company a subsidy ~ you know like if you get mugged and the mugger leaves you with $10 for your cab fare the mugger in her mind is subsidising you and you should be grateful ~ lol these juice junkies are a scream.
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged i think the oil companies make something like 7 cents a gallon while the govt makes 50 cents a gallon for doing nothing....and then these dopey politicians & enviro-nazis, who probably never took a risk in their lives, want to criticize.
badvagirl 6 days ago
@badvagirl
Lets see some parity with Big Wind shall we?
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Don't hold your breath !!!
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"Slawson Exploration Co. Inc. was charged under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for killing 12 birds that died after allegedly landing in oil waste pits in western North Dakota from May 6 through June 20. Under a plea agreement filed in federal court Monday, Slawson will pay $12,000 — or $1,000 per bird — to the nonprofit National Fish and Wildlife Foundation."
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How many Million was it in Spain? x £1000 Oops
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
"How many Million was it in Spain?"
You certainly won't find out from the idiot's article YOU cited, shitfire.
The... "presentation"... was by a "Mark Duchamp, businessman," who helped pen an article titled "World Is Getting Colder."
Credible?
To you dimwits, yes.
YourKidsArentSpecial 6 days ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Cleopatra
"subsidies"
Wow.
This isn't that difficult a concept, shitfire.
Infrastructure, including road manufacture and maintenance cost a lot of money.
Roads don't just magically appear out of nowhere.
So when the government says "Here, oil companies! You can use what costs the public TENS OF BILLIONS to maintain... for free!"... THAT'S A SUBSIDY.
"Muggers and cab fare," shitfire?
So you're just as ignorant of economical externalities as you are of science.
Oops.
YourKidsArentSpecial 6 days ago
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buchedda 6 days ago
Trust the scientists they have their fingers on the pulse ( grants )
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"However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said."
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairleDogged
Whoppee do!!!
I remember someone once saying competition drives down prices - then I had to fill my car and pay my electric bill.
The things people say, eh?
TheElasticJesusRez 6 days ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
Yep CO2 tax is a cunt ain't it asshole ~ thanx for confirmation of your greengreed.
PrairleDogged 6 days ago
@PrairieDogged
So wind turbines struggle struggle in high winds? So we need to innovate and create better technology and hardware surely?
Or we could just whine & complain like a stupid petulant child about how wind power is useless
23peacefrog 1 week ago
On 12 Jan 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology estimated that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds and bats . The average per turbine comes down to 333 -1,000 deaths PA, which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the US wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole US, which has twice as many turbines as Spain.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged "wind turbines may be killing 6 - 18 million birds". A visit to wikipedia's List of Fallacies should be a pre-requisite for anyone commenting on a GW vid.
bobinhk1 1 week ago
Free energy for all ~ rejoice
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"On one of the windiest days in October last year, National Grid paid wind farms £1.6 million, or £361 per MW/h on average, about four times the price that operators would expect to sell their electricity, according to ENDS, the specialist environmental information provider.
Consumer Focus said that wind-farm operators should not be able to hold National Grid to ransom by demanding huge payments in return for not generating electricity."
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Oops
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
In 2010 The Fossil-fuel industry received subsidiues to the tune of $470,000,000,000.
(That is billion to the ornithological layman).
A much bigger OOOOOOOOPs, I fear.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
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From: Phil Jones
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
Date: Thu Jul 8 16:30:16 2004
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
Cheers
Phil”
ChristopherMonckton5 1 week ago
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"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as 'bad luck.'"
-- Robert Heinlein
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
Two years of dropping Oceans ~ Oops
Just how long does it take rain to return to the sea?
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"According to NASA’s Dr. Hansen, 2010 was the hottest year ever, and Greenland temperatures were also the hottest ever. We are told this led to record melt in Greenland, which caused massive amounts of water to pour into the ocean. Additionally, thermal expansion from the record heat caused the oceans to get much deeper."
...cont
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
...cont
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"Satellite data shows us that sea level has been falling steadily since the start of 2010, which tells us that the missing water and the missing heat must be hiding at the bottom of the ocean – along with the missing intelligence and integrity of government scientists."
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Mmm what will the excuse this year be? soot? lake effect? sulphates? anti-matter? calibration errors on the Jason satellite gets my vote ~ nobody will be able to check the claims *o))
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged No excuses just proper science based on measurement rather than the guess work of your "source." The extraordinarily large precipitation events leading to all those floods. But you've been shown the data before. You just prefer your pathetic cherrypicks. LOL
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@rugbyguy59
I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger ~ lol
Two years and a 20mm missing H2O that is one hell of a lot of water considering the percentage of our planets surface that is water ~ at this rate ( unless it rains ) we will not need those wellington boots by the year 2100 ~ LOL :o)
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged "I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger"
Actually I wouldn't put that past deniers to do that. But, yeah, it was a lot of water and it will take time to get back. Replenishment of reservoirs and aquifers plus moisture held by the ground, etc etc means it doesn't just all pour straight back in. But it looks looks like it's getting there:
sealevel*colorado*edu/files/2011_rel4/sl_ns_global*pdf
You're still cherrypicking
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@rugbyguy59
So by your argument the aquifers / reservoirs and water tables were depleted obviously due to your bogieman AGW?
That is a very interesting observation and if filling those takes 20mm off the oceans mean then surely that would explain the last two decades of rise would it not?
Some Cherries are bitter at this time of year aren't they LOL
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged "due to your bogieman AGW?"
No but man does play his role. And no it doesn't explain the last few decades. It's only a tiny fraction of the water needed for that. Of course by this point I don't expect you to understand anything about science but there are a lot of things that slow water in it's way back to the sea.
But I can see the cherry you picked must be bitter as you've avoided looking at (or perhaps just seeing) the latest data. LOL
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
@rugbyguy59 "(Prairle dog: "I prefer the sceptics are bottling the water and storing it to make their case stronger": Actually I wouldn't put that past deniers to do that. " Are you suggesting the doubters might constructively re-engineer the earth and take all necessary mitigation measures to ensure a happy human future, just to spite and defeat the AGWs, and show there's no AGW?
bobinhk1 1 week ago
@rugbyguy59
Then there is the Japanese secret Sushi trade angle of course ~ very hush hush but still a measurable effect on an otherwise rising sea level.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@DoggyStyle @shitfire @SixOtherSissies
"sea level has been falling steadily since that start of 2010"
Funny, shitfire.
I went ahead and checked out NASA's website(climate(dot)nasa(dot)gov) and guess what?
Not only does it say that the rate of sea level rise is "3.19mm" per year, but that 6mm "pothole" you got so excited about last year has been erased.
Looks like Cleopatra, the Queen of Denial, is wrong again.
What a surprise.
Better luck next time, Dopey.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
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Substantial negative impacts to marine ecosystems (Orr 2005, Fabry 2008, Kroeker 2010)
Inhibiting plankton development, disruption of carbon cycle (Turley 2005)
Increased mortalities of sea urchins (Miles 2007)
Threat to fish populations (Munday 2010)
checkyoursources 1 week ago
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QUESTION FOR ENVIRO-NAZIS.....
i'm working on a keystone pipline paper so i need to know exactly what the enviro-nuts are objecting to. i just pulled up a map of existing pipelines and there are literally 100s criss-crossing the USA...& that's not counting things like sewers, water lines, gas lines, etc.
so, what, EXACTLY, is the problem with keystone???
badvagirl 1 week ago
@PrairieDogged
As usual big ideas scare you into the lamest childish insults! Anything intelligent to say about what our race may be capable of in the future? Or is the ability to extract ever more hard to reach hydrocarbons the sum total of your vision you moron
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@badvagirl
"GW is a farce..." etc
We could develop technology to control climate! Why not?!
You have no imagination
23peacefrog 1 week ago
@23peaceToad
Great idea I suggest a huge stone circle in Wiltshire ~ we could make sacrifices there too to the bean Gods ~ lol
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
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@PrairleDogged "Great idea I suggest a huge stone circle in Wiltshire ~ we could make sacrifices there too to the bean Gods". Well, it's you politicist guys trying to make sure that's how we end up. Wonder what happened to the original circle builders anyway?? Love and kisses, the Easter Islanders.
bobinhk1 1 week ago
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@23peacefrog i have lotsa imagination......i don't dismiss the possibility that humans could someday develop technology to control the climate. if that were to happen, i would then have to ask..."who gets to control the thermostat?"
badvagirl 1 week ago
Man made global warming is a political movement and false theory
LIberalDrones 1 week ago
Is this guy real?
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"The Alberta Tar Sands are believed to contain the planet’s second-largest deposit of oil, after Saudi Arabia, and extracting it takes a lot more energy than traditional drilling. If we start down that path, warns James Hansen, a climate activist and scientist with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, it will be “game over for the planet.”
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He could always build an Ark :)
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
You have to laugh at these mealy mouthed Left Whingers who could not organise a piss up in a brewery ~ they develop huge monstrosities to catch the wind and a not so free lunch ~ these turn out to be efficient wildlife cullers but not so hot on keeping the power grid going when the wind is strong or the weather is cold ~ like we need masses of power when it's warm and still *o)
I wonder what their next brainwaves will produce Toxic lightbulbs? Oops
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged "Toxic lightbulbs? Oops". I don't get it. Clarify.
bobinhk1 1 week ago
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@DoggyStyle @shitfire @Nighttversionn @mellowguy1111 @MockNobes @MarkGubbish @MMS747 @M0N1ER
"produce Toxic lightbulbs"
Uh oh, shitfire.
We've been over this before, girl.
While those CFLs you're referring to have 3 to 5 mg of mercury in them, the coal plants you drop your panties for emit 48 tons annually.
I know you can't resist going down a dirt road, Cleo, but remember how irritated your sissy parts got the last time you brought this up?
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged Fossil fuel air pollution kills 2 million prematurely every year. Why do you support fossil fuels?
checkyoursources 1 week ago
@checkyoursources
Fossil fuel has enabled seven Billion people to exist ~ why do you have a problem with that or have you a master plan?
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged Fossil fuels have meant that humans have exceeded the ability of ecosystem services to cope with our demands hence they are in decline. 1 billion are in poverty and at least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day. Quality of life is more important than quantity of lives.
checkyoursources 1 week ago
@checkyoursources
Have you courted the opinion of those 1 billion who are in poverty? and the 80% who live on less than $10 a day ?
Rather than making rash assumptions on their wish to have been born and therefore to be alive I think you ought to ask them if they would rather no be here don't you?
I can see now that you indeed do have a 'master plan' to remove the excesses and reduce their carbon input ~ do you tell them or does the solution come in the early hours?
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@checkyoursources What people are making, has nothing to do with the climate.
MrOTLChamp 1 week ago
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@MrOTLChamp "What people are making, has nothing to do with the climate."
Sure and eating excessively over Christmas has nothing to do with the weight people gain. Grow up for god's sake.
rugbyguy59 1 week ago
"Currently, wind power generation only accounts for about 1%, roughly 3 million homes, of all the energy being generated in the US. if renewable energy is mandated to increase to 20% over the years to help curb global warming, the number of bird deaths associated with wind power could increase 20 fold, to roughly 900,000 to 1.8 million deaths a year. "
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So what they're only dumb birds ~ survival of the fittest will ensure only fat flightless Turkeys will prosper Eh Fiddler *o))
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
Tell you what, shitfire... Since you're now all weepy for animals, let's see some of that new found concern for the 1 to 2 million of our fine feathered friends that die due to oil and gas extraction, NOT TO MENTION the hundreds of species going extinct due to AGW.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
htt p: //raptorpolitics. org. uk/2011/07/11/wind-farms-accused-of-concealing-deaths-of-protected-species/
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OMG it's true and there was cunthooks trying to play down the carnage ~ well I never *o))
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
FOS as usual ~ go to the source ~ Oooops ~ there there *o)
12/01/2012
SEO/BirdLife presenta una nueva guía para la evaluación del impacto de parques eólicos en aves y murciélagos (12/01/12)
Hoy en el I Congreso Ibérico sobre Energía Eólica y Conservación de la Fauna
• Los más de 18.000 aerogeneradores que hay en España, podrían estar causando una mortalidad anual de aves y murciélagos comprendida entre los 6 y 18 millones de individuos
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Comprende ?
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
Birdysplaticus fuckydofficus.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
First of all, shitfire, no one is going to believe that a slack jawed goose stepper who'd be quite comfortable at a Klan rally cares about "birds."
Second, M. Duchamp has been trumpeting the SAME tripe for years.
Someone with a more aquiline eye would have noticed that.
His numbers are bogus and so are you, shitfire.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
Guess that's why they DON'T call you "Hawkeye!"
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
UK Viewers - Currently screening on Sky SCIENCE CHANNEL - 'CATASTROPHE.'
Tony Robinson and a whole of scientists (including Paul Wignall Leed Uni) describing the Permian extinction event, HOW, during the course of the Siberian Traps Event, Hydrogen Sulphide poisoned 95% of all life FOLLOWED BY (and b/c the 10 degree temp rise caused all MH to become unstable) the hydrates then rose to the surface & turned Earth into a giant fireball.
The scientists go on to warn about current CO2 levels
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
The Green solution to this daily carnage? why lets build dem der turdbines out in the ocean where those nasty deniers cannot pick corpses up and count them ~ sounds like a plan.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
"The Green solution to this daily carnage?"
Wow.
We're supposed to believe that a "guy" who doesn't give two steaming turds that 42 million people were displaced in one year due to climate related extreme weather events is getting all weepy over "wind turbine bird kills?"
You take "disingenuous" to previously unseen levels, Dopey.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
On 12 January 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Jerez de la Frontera, Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology (SEO/Birdlife) made public its estimate that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 to 18 million birds and bats.
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
...cont The average per turbine comes down to 333 – 1,000 deaths annually, which is a far cry from the 2 – 4 birds claimed by the American wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain.
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Ooops
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@PrairleDogged
Doesn't take much investigation, shitfire, to discover that the presenter of these fowl numbers was a "Mark Duchamp," and is NOT basing them on any empirical evidence.
Yep.
There's no "there" there.
Whoops.
YourKidsArentSpecial 1 week ago
Ahh but I may as well try and catch the wind.
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watch?v=1RcTjdY1aN4
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'In the chilly hours and minutes of uncertainty'
PrairleDogged 1 week ago