Do non lethal bean bags use the same principal of distribution of energy across a large area? Do the bean bags stay together or do they break up into pellets similar to the wax slug? Take a hand full of beans or fine gravel and make a wax slug for a potatoe gun. That would be interesting. Spud guns will launch a projectile at a couple hundred fps. Any body done projectile analysis of large bore weapon like a spud gun.
This is an absolutely top-class video, I love it. The demonstration of physics concepts which you get with firearms is excellent, which is why both the physics teachers at my high school were gun nuts.
@KITNARAGNAROG We have some ballistics gel ready to go for the round of testing. I'm hoping that the channel "brassfetcher" will do a test since he has a much faster high speed camera than I do. He just did a video on "cut slugs" so there is a good chance he'll do it. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing, come summer and it gets to 110F. here, we will probably have some heat issues.
@KITNARAGNAROG I would imagine that hot glue gun sticks could be used but not sure if they can be melted to a thin enough consistency before hitting the flash point of the material... might be worth a try :-j
Interesting idea. Seems similar to the frangible 9mm rounds (MagSafe and others) that are sold for home defense (will cause major trauma to the bad guy but will not go through multiple walls and hit family).
@D3mang3l The important difference is with a cut shell, the diameter of the shell is BIGGER than the bore so it has to be squeezed through the barrel. (try fitting a shell into the end of a barrel) The wax slug will drop through a barrel. We found no wax build up at all in the barrel. That doesn't seem to be an issue at all.
@taofledermaus Thanks for the quick reply, I'm eager to see the results of this as a cheap home def load, if what your saying is true. Do you have a video showing how to make these with shells purchased at the store? Can you just pour candle wax in, or is there more to it than that?
@D3mang3l No problem. I'll probably make a tutorial on how I make mine since they differ slightly on how everyone else makes them. You have to heat up the shot along with the wax so you have a consistant mix. If you just pour the wax in over the shot, it will cool off before it mixes with the wax.
Ammunition companies have been doing this for years now. It's a great round for close in combat with unarmoured people, but not when you desire penetration. If you need to go for distance AND penetration (say at thin skinned vehicles at 75 metres) this round would not be desireable. And, this round takes the entire purpose out of a SHOTgun, effectively making it the .45acp of long arms; big slug moving very slowly. The niche this round covers is already covered.
@arcticwhitepaint@50meters my crayon wax slugs went clean thru a iron skillet.Im sure if I could hit that pan at 100meters it would have the same effect. I would say they have plenty of penetration. Have you ever shot these?
If you need power at medium distance, use the AK47. Punch & penetration at distance, the M4. Accurate power and penetration at long range, the M14 or 762 bolt gun, and close in punch, .45 acp. If you need something in the middle of all of this, the M1 carbine in .30 cal carbine, Ruger 44 magnum carbine, or the Marlin Camp in .45. If you want up close power and punch, the 12 ga. already has that covered with buck and slugs. Trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
@laredoland Bear in mind that the wax just fills the areas between the shot so there is very little additional weight. Also you can only put about 95% of the shot back in so they are probably slightly lighter than the weight before we modified them. The chamber pressure is going to be much less than if we shot high brass loads or standard slugs.
@Mark12ga They should weigh about the same. If you hold them up to a bright light, do you still see the empty space between the piston and the shot cup?
I guess you see the same thing in two dimensions when the first cue ball hits the triangle of snooker (or poole) balls and breaks it apart. As they are all the same size, the sum of all their velocities must be the same as the velocity of the cue ball before hitting them, though they seem to go all over the table at high speed!
@thevansmack Properly made wax slugs can impact within 6-7 inches at 45 yards and can hit out to 70+ yrds (of course with high amounts of drop and accuracy loss).
That was a great video! I to have often thought of wax slugs are a lot like safety slugs made for home defense. You should see if after they penetrate a soft target how many will go thew a sheet rock wall.
@Xxoo0o0o0ooxX I should be able to build a small simulated wall and do some that testing. I like the idea of shooting though something soft first. Then I can progress to just shooting straight through the wall and see what come out the back.
I was brainstorming today, after playing around with these wax slugs in my Remington 840 12 gauge for a while, I was thinking of copper coating these wax slugs. buy removing the wax slug from the shell after making them the dipping the wax slug, (cup and all), into liquid copper, (the cold stuff, not true molten copper), a few times, (as much will be allowed with the slug still being able to fit back into the shell).
@Nwest82 My Idea here is that the copper coating/jacket will serve two benefits, 1: the shot-cup should hold on and stay intact with the inner wax slug allowing longer distance accuracy, 2: When the jacketed slug does hit the target it should act like the normal wax slug, except for one thing, the jacketed, plastic shot cup is now way more rigid due to the copper coating, so it may expand causing a wound channel from that as well as the wax slug. Its just an Idea, I'm going to make some...
@Nwest82 once I do, maybe I can send some to you for testing, I haven't got the equipment except for the gun, I'll do some basic cheapo testing before I waste your time, but if they show promise than maybe you would test them more thoroughly for me.
@Nwest82 Something I am going to test out to stabilize the slugs is to pour a little wax on the bottom of the cup, let it cool for a few minutes then fill the rest with the wax/pellet mixture and avoiding putting any wax to "cap it off". This way the shell will be slightly nose-heavy and should fly straighter. A lot of people put a wax "cap" on the front of the slug and I believe that causes the shell to be tail-heavy. Hard to know what it will do until I test them.
@taofledermaus Can't wait to see how that works, I know we can get these things to reach out a litte further without key-holing. I too agree that having the slug more front heavy may help stabilize it, also shape of the tip would/should make a difference also, IMHO. Right now with the flat tip they are kinda like huge wad cutters, this has to cause allot of drag thus not helping with stabilization.
@Nwest82 The day we filmed this, we shot some rounds out into the field holding the gun level and they travelled about 250 yards before they hit the ground. Hopefully the lightened tails will improve the long(ish) range stability while keeping everything simple still. We don't want to make them too complicated. Hopefully we'll get out again soon and test the new rounds.
@Nwest82 You might have a hard time removing the slugs. I have been able to do it but it took a long time. Once the slug is removed you probably won't have that much room to add anything to the outside, it will probably scrape off once you slide it back into the shell.
I love your Videos! Keep it up. Question about video camera's, I want to start doing some slow-mow videos as well gun cam videos. So I'm looking for a good Camera that's fairly cheap, (as I am on a very low budget), I was looking at a Camcorder that's a "Thermos Bios" Camcorder called the " Bios bullet cam 3.0" The specs are as follows, 640 x 480 Resolution, 30 FPS, Cmos Image Sensor, One-touch Recording, Web-Cam Capable W/ 320 x 240 Resolution, 70 degrees field of view. continued...
@Nwest82 continued... The cost of the Camera is $149.99CDN, Do you think this would be an decent camera for someone on a low budget, who wants to start making so better quality videos, and start getting into slow-mo filming.
@Nwest82 In order for a camera to record in slow motion, it has to record at a high framerate. There are some inexpensive Casio high speed cameras that record at 1000, 480, and 240 fps (I think that is close to the speed) for under $200. I've heard of people getting them for around $100. I don't know the model numbers but if you search "Casio high speed camera) you should be able to find something.
@bluecollararmory I definitely discovered a lot of cool things using the HS cameras. I didn't expect that much from these rounds but they really are pretty unique
@IllinoisCoyoteHunter do a quick search there is a few instructional videos on how to make these, no mold is required, just a standard feild bird-shot load, a metal pot, a heat source, wax, and a spoon. dump the bird-shot out in to the pot of melted wax then scoop the shot mixed with wax out with a spoon, dump it back into the shell, let it harden then top off with a bit more melted wax. Any kind of wax works, I use old candle wax, some use crayons, some use store bought paraffin wax.
@IllinoisCoyoteHunter You just cut the very top of the shell off, dump out the shot into molten wax, and then spoon it back into the shell. The shell itself becomes the mold. Very easy to make these.
@hammerogod I'm not sure about pointless. Great for just blasting stuff without costing you a lot, and possibly the nastiest home defense round. Very limited over penetration through walls if you miss.
Fantastic video. I could easily see big-time ammo manufacturers seeing this video and going into full production of wax/birdshot projectiles. This looks like the ideal home defense round.
@yugozastava13 I think it would work very well as a home defense round. I imagine some people wouldn't trust their own skills making wax slugs, and would spend a lot of money to buy factory ones thinking they would be more dependable..
@Nwest82 I think a normal buck slug would probably be better for hunting. These wax slugs are more than accurate-enough up to around 30 yards but as they slow down and go transonic they tend to tumble and drift around due to their poor aerodynamics.
@taofledermaus yeah after watching more of your videos, I found out about the accuracy thing. These would however be perfect for Home defense, since IMHO if you were to miss and hit the dry-wall for example, the wall would absorb the majority of the energy and the pellets would have very little velocity left after passing through, keeping anyone in the other room or people in surrounding houses from being injured or killed.
@Nwest82 I am going to do some simulated wall tests to see how much they penetrate two layers of drywall. These things are pretty neat and I definitely have a lot of questions about them myself I am wanting to study.
@taofledermaus sweet! I'll be watching for the video when you make and upload it. I think it would be a good idea to place some ballistic gel behind the drywall, a turkey, or anything that can simulate human tissue/flesh. That way we can see if they would be lethal, cause some injury, sting but but doesn't penetrated, or completely safe, to anyone behind the wall. Also the same test but with two pieces of "Paneling" instead of drywall, since a lot of older mobile homes are not drywalled.
I made some wax slugs with some 12 gauge light target loads (1 oz #8 shot, 2 3/4 dram eq.) and was impressed with the results like you.
Then just tonight I discovered something (potentially) interesting. A dime fits perfectly into a 12 gauge shell.
So I made some wax slugs topped off with a dime, and then a couple of drops of wax on top of the dime to seal it in place. I haven't had a chance to try these yet, but would definitely be curious to see you guys do something similar in slow motion.
@jerseyemt They are crazy rounds! I definitely was surprised how damaging they are. I plan on taking out some heavier targets next time and experiment a lot more with them. People have asked me to film shells full of dimes but I did it instead with flat washers the same side. They look pretty wild tumbling around in slow motion. We just shot a cardboard target but it punched clean holes though it. I'm too cheap to use real dime, or scared the feds would get me!
What would happen to an object if you shot it with a wax slug, but it first had to pass through some drywall? Would it loose all effective energy before damaging the object?
@liveunderwater That's something I have been wondering too. I'd like to build a simple simulated wall and see. I suspect the pellets will start breaking apart on the first layer of drywall and by the time they blow out the back of the second wall they will be dispersing and not have that much energy left. I could probably put a shoot of cardboard a few feet behind the wall to see what sort of pattern and damage results. Semi-scientific.
i think you should try to put various cardboards one behind the other to check how the buckshot fly after that the wax broke... i mean in how many metres the steel bb's can go on with a good accuracy ! like 1 cardboard every 1 meter so you can study the movement of the buckshot in the air with this particular wax slug... or like somebody else said ballistic gel test !
i think you should try to put various cardboards one behind the other to check how the buckshot fly after that the wax broke... i mean in how many metres the steel bb's can go on with a good accuracy ! like 1 cardboard every 1 meter so you can study the movement of the buckshot in the air with this particular wax slug... or like somebody else said ballistic gel test !
Could you do this with buckshot? That would be like a penetrating round that will disperse shot once entering something like a wall or car door. Just an idea.
TnOutdoors9's silence on the matter is suspect.. I wonder if he's planning a ballistic gel test himself with those Wax Slugs. Hm.
Jeff, there's a very small club of Youtube stars that make for the most of quality videos. You're one of the jewels of the crown. Loved the video and the explanation.
@TheHiddenPart He did do the foster slug test a few days ago so it's possible I helped spark that idea. I kind of gather these improvised rounds just are not his forte', he seems to be sort of a purist. Some of my buddies wouldn't even let me shoot some of my unusual rounds out of their shotguns so I had to buy my own for the videos.
@TheHiddenPart I've never made ballistic gel, mostly because I don't have the space in my refrigerator but now that the weather is cold, I can probably just put it in my garage and it will be cold enough to set. I know there would be interest in ballistics gel testing and tnoutdoors would be the best person for the job. I'm eager to see the results.
@BarneySaysHi You could make them out of airsoft bb's but it would very light. I have loaded shotgun shells with loose airsoft bb's before and they worked quite well. Almost no kick from the gun too.
@QuattroStig If you had a spring weighing scale "to take the shot that splatters". Laid horizontal and attach a right angle plate to it. So when you shoot the upright part of the plate, the force is transferred to the scale giving you pounds or kilos of thrust/force. Would that work you think? I know you would have to take into account the transfer from vertical to horizontal. Depending on how good the friction was lessened.
@poprune55 I get a ton of requests to do gel testing but have never made the stuff. I guess I feel there are channels that all ready do a great job with those tests but I will give it a try, it's something I have wanted to do anyways.
nice job and math lessen ,you could try a big thick block of Polystyrene or as you call it Styrofoam,shoot a slug into it and see what happens ,then try a wax slug and see if it has a cone shape hole in it ,
How do you think mixing lead or tungsten powder with wax would work?
jstlookn48 12 hours ago
Very smart video!
Aonexia 19 hours ago
Do non lethal bean bags use the same principal of distribution of energy across a large area? Do the bean bags stay together or do they break up into pellets similar to the wax slug? Take a hand full of beans or fine gravel and make a wax slug for a potatoe gun. That would be interesting. Spud guns will launch a projectile at a couple hundred fps. Any body done projectile analysis of large bore weapon like a spud gun.
westin1985 1 day ago
I would like to see you do this with .410 shotgun, preferably out of a Taurus Judge.
theloseph 1 day ago in playlist 12ga 'WAX SLUGS'
This is an absolutely top-class video, I love it. The demonstration of physics concepts which you get with firearms is excellent, which is why both the physics teachers at my high school were gun nuts.
waveman1500 1 day ago
well. i guess its safe to say that... you'll die when you get shot when you get hit with one of these bad boys.
gilahappy 2 days ago
@gilahappy very safe
lemonsodumb 1 day ago
I've always loved the idea of wax slugs. It's like one massive hollowpoint round.
doctormoose6 3 days ago
i like the black friday reference
mikelikefatcat 5 days ago in playlist 12ga 'WAX SLUGS'
i would love to see some ballistic gel testing with this stuff but out of interest is there a better less heat reactive material to pack pellets in?
KITNARAGNAROG 6 days ago 5
@KITNARAGNAROG We have some ballistics gel ready to go for the round of testing. I'm hoping that the channel "brassfetcher" will do a test since he has a much faster high speed camera than I do. He just did a video on "cut slugs" so there is a good chance he'll do it. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing, come summer and it gets to 110F. here, we will probably have some heat issues.
taofledermaus 6 days ago
@KITNARAGNAROG I would imagine that hot glue gun sticks could be used but not sure if they can be melted to a thin enough consistency before hitting the flash point of the material... might be worth a try :-j
joehunt1980 20 hours ago
definitively do ballistic gel tests
WillLemax 1 week ago
Holy shit, I'm watching badass ballistics video clips and learning physics at the same time?! Blasphemy!
Pwnzistor 1 week ago 2
@Pwnzistor Haha, sorry about that. Thanks for the killer comment!
taofledermaus 1 week ago 2
Interesting idea. Seems similar to the frangible 9mm rounds (MagSafe and others) that are sold for home defense (will cause major trauma to the bad guy but will not go through multiple walls and hit family).
coy512 1 week ago
Do a test shooting through multiple walls similar to a home defense situation.
MrTahoe32 1 week ago
@MrTahoe32 I've made a small "test" wall so we should be able to give that a try maybe this weekend if the weather is good.
taofledermaus 1 week ago
homedefense loads?
dieselbreakfast 1 week ago
Ok, this is a LOT like a Cut Shell, but with better cohesion in flight. My question is, will the wax melt, build up and be a problem in my barrel?
D3mang3l 1 week ago
@D3mang3l The important difference is with a cut shell, the diameter of the shell is BIGGER than the bore so it has to be squeezed through the barrel. (try fitting a shell into the end of a barrel) The wax slug will drop through a barrel. We found no wax build up at all in the barrel. That doesn't seem to be an issue at all.
taofledermaus 1 week ago
@taofledermaus Thanks for the quick reply, I'm eager to see the results of this as a cheap home def load, if what your saying is true. Do you have a video showing how to make these with shells purchased at the store? Can you just pour candle wax in, or is there more to it than that?
D3mang3l 1 week ago
@D3mang3l No problem. I'll probably make a tutorial on how I make mine since they differ slightly on how everyone else makes them. You have to heat up the shot along with the wax so you have a consistant mix. If you just pour the wax in over the shot, it will cool off before it mixes with the wax.
taofledermaus 1 week ago
Basically, this will fuck you up on impact.
reidthiss 1 week ago
@reidthiss Absolutely
taofledermaus 1 week ago
@ 2:32.. "900mph"... slugs are supersonic??? damn never knew that.
ilovegoatsecks 2 weeks ago
Thanks bud.
XGCScrappy 2 weeks ago
I wonder how badly these rounds fouled the barrel after being shot. Is sustained firing and accuracy relatively consistent?
CaptLeadfoot 2 weeks ago
@CaptLeadfoot they dont do anything to your barrel, just dont shot through anything over a modified choke it will throw your shot group off.
rthom86 2 weeks ago
@CaptLeadfoot iraqveteran8888 had a video on it and the barrel was completely clean.
bf2lover42 2 weeks ago
can you do a ballistics gel test with these? it looks like it would hurt extremely bad
mark16443 2 weeks ago
@mark16443 I plan on it. I have a block of gel prepared and ready to go. The hard part is getting friends together to help film this stuff.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago 4
awesome video and good, actually great explanation and information!
MrByronodmon 2 weeks ago
@MrByronodmon Thank you!
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
@arcticwhitepaint why not think of it as making your shotgun even more versatile? not everyone has the resources to have such an extensive arsenal.
CTCAC2000 2 weeks ago
@CTCAC2000 Good point. I think every type of firearm he meantioned was also 3 times the cost of a shotgun. I think he just doesn't like shotguns.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
Ammunition companies have been doing this for years now. It's a great round for close in combat with unarmoured people, but not when you desire penetration. If you need to go for distance AND penetration (say at thin skinned vehicles at 75 metres) this round would not be desireable. And, this round takes the entire purpose out of a SHOTgun, effectively making it the .45acp of long arms; big slug moving very slowly. The niche this round covers is already covered.
arcticwhitepaint 2 weeks ago
@arcticwhitepaint 20 to 25 cents per round- that is what makes it appealing for me. We'll be doing more testing on it and see what else it will do.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
@arcticwhitepaint @50meters my crayon wax slugs went clean thru a iron skillet.Im sure if I could hit that pan at 100meters it would have the same effect. I would say they have plenty of penetration. Have you ever shot these?
nalBleeding 2 weeks ago
@nalBleeding I didn't have much appreciation for the waxers until I shot them. They are pretty impressive loads.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
@taofledermaus Yes, same here. They pack quite a punch
nalBleeding 2 weeks ago
If you need power at medium distance, use the AK47. Punch & penetration at distance, the M4. Accurate power and penetration at long range, the M14 or 762 bolt gun, and close in punch, .45 acp. If you need something in the middle of all of this, the M1 carbine in .30 cal carbine, Ruger 44 magnum carbine, or the Marlin Camp in .45. If you want up close power and punch, the 12 ga. already has that covered with buck and slugs. Trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
arcticwhitepaint 2 weeks ago
what about the extra weight of the wax? what happens to chamber pressures ? very impressive!
laredoland 2 weeks ago
@laredoland Bear in mind that the wax just fills the areas between the shot so there is very little additional weight. Also you can only put about 95% of the shot back in so they are probably slightly lighter than the weight before we modified them. The chamber pressure is going to be much less than if we shot high brass loads or standard slugs.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
actually 1150 fps is more like 475 mph.
fourteen21 2 weeks ago
@fourteen21 That's not true.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
@fourteen21 1150 fps = 784 mph
MarcoNoPolo 2 weeks ago
@MarcoNoPolo I don't know where he got 475 mph, but he seemed sure of himself. There's a lot of conversion websites out there.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
@taofledermaus Me either. That seemed a little slow. 1150 x 60 (seconds) x 60 (minutes) divided by 5280 (one mile) = 784 (mph)
MarcoNoPolo 2 weeks ago
ah ive been wondering how these work
MrDerp757 2 weeks ago
best channel ive found since TNoutdoors!! thanks for the awesome videos!!
dreamwever87 2 weeks ago
@dreamwever87 Thank you! I like TNoutdoors too, good mix of serious stuff but he has some silly videos too, always a nice balance.
taofledermaus 2 weeks ago
HAHAHAHAhahahashdkajsdhakshd, i saw the face
Vasive 3 weeks ago
i made some wax slug from #7 shot winchester target loads im kinda scard to shoot them are they supposed to feel heavier then a stock shell?
Mark12ga 3 weeks ago
@Mark12ga They should weigh about the same. If you hold them up to a bright light, do you still see the empty space between the piston and the shot cup?
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
@taofledermaus i must have done somthing wrong then becouse they feel like there heavier the a buckshot round i think ill just mix these agian
Mark12ga 2 weeks ago
yes i would love to see this shot into balistics gel...
TheJimcat 3 weeks ago
I guess you see the same thing in two dimensions when the first cue ball hits the triangle of snooker (or poole) balls and breaks it apart. As they are all the same size, the sum of all their velocities must be the same as the velocity of the cue ball before hitting them, though they seem to go all over the table at high speed!
DownhillAllTheWay 3 weeks ago
@DownhillAllTheWay Yes, I think that is an excellent comparison.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
does the wax not mess up the barrel of your shotgun?
Mr400babies 3 weeks ago
@Mr400babies Not at all. After 75 rounds, I ran a patch down the barrel and it was clean.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
This is a brilliant test and explanation. Thank you.
fastacker2 3 weeks ago
@fastacker2 Thank you! I appreciate the nice words
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
There is some pretty cool physics going on here. Neat!
thespartanmk1 3 weeks ago
...as long as you're only about 10 feet away from your target...is how this video should end
thevansmack 3 weeks ago
@thevansmack I suggest you try making some of them and then make your judgement.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
@thevansmack Properly made wax slugs can impact within 6-7 inches at 45 yards and can hit out to 70+ yrds (of course with high amounts of drop and accuracy loss).
lockhack 3 weeks ago
I saw the face :DD xD
chuy619ful 3 weeks ago
That was a great video! I to have often thought of wax slugs are a lot like safety slugs made for home defense. You should see if after they penetrate a soft target how many will go thew a sheet rock wall.
Xxoo0o0o0ooxX 3 weeks ago
@Xxoo0o0o0ooxX I should be able to build a small simulated wall and do some that testing. I like the idea of shooting though something soft first. Then I can progress to just shooting straight through the wall and see what come out the back.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
@taofledermaus I will be watching :-) Keep up the great videos!
Xxoo0o0o0ooxX 3 weeks ago
GREAT explanations of Basic fundamental CLASSIC PHYSICS.
maxinpains 3 weeks ago
I was brainstorming today, after playing around with these wax slugs in my Remington 840 12 gauge for a while, I was thinking of copper coating these wax slugs. buy removing the wax slug from the shell after making them the dipping the wax slug, (cup and all), into liquid copper, (the cold stuff, not true molten copper), a few times, (as much will be allowed with the slug still being able to fit back into the shell).
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 My Idea here is that the copper coating/jacket will serve two benefits, 1: the shot-cup should hold on and stay intact with the inner wax slug allowing longer distance accuracy, 2: When the jacketed slug does hit the target it should act like the normal wax slug, except for one thing, the jacketed, plastic shot cup is now way more rigid due to the copper coating, so it may expand causing a wound channel from that as well as the wax slug. Its just an Idea, I'm going to make some...
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 once I do, maybe I can send some to you for testing, I haven't got the equipment except for the gun, I'll do some basic cheapo testing before I waste your time, but if they show promise than maybe you would test them more thoroughly for me.
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 Something I am going to test out to stabilize the slugs is to pour a little wax on the bottom of the cup, let it cool for a few minutes then fill the rest with the wax/pellet mixture and avoiding putting any wax to "cap it off". This way the shell will be slightly nose-heavy and should fly straighter. A lot of people put a wax "cap" on the front of the slug and I believe that causes the shell to be tail-heavy. Hard to know what it will do until I test them.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
@taofledermaus Can't wait to see how that works, I know we can get these things to reach out a litte further without key-holing. I too agree that having the slug more front heavy may help stabilize it, also shape of the tip would/should make a difference also, IMHO. Right now with the flat tip they are kinda like huge wad cutters, this has to cause allot of drag thus not helping with stabilization.
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 The day we filmed this, we shot some rounds out into the field holding the gun level and they travelled about 250 yards before they hit the ground. Hopefully the lightened tails will improve the long(ish) range stability while keeping everything simple still. We don't want to make them too complicated. Hopefully we'll get out again soon and test the new rounds.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 You might have a hard time removing the slugs. I have been able to do it but it took a long time. Once the slug is removed you probably won't have that much room to add anything to the outside, it will probably scrape off once you slide it back into the shell.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
I love your Videos! Keep it up. Question about video camera's, I want to start doing some slow-mow videos as well gun cam videos. So I'm looking for a good Camera that's fairly cheap, (as I am on a very low budget), I was looking at a Camcorder that's a "Thermos Bios" Camcorder called the " Bios bullet cam 3.0" The specs are as follows, 640 x 480 Resolution, 30 FPS, Cmos Image Sensor, One-touch Recording, Web-Cam Capable W/ 320 x 240 Resolution, 70 degrees field of view. continued...
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 continued... The cost of the Camera is $149.99CDN, Do you think this would be an decent camera for someone on a low budget, who wants to start making so better quality videos, and start getting into slow-mo filming.
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
@Nwest82 In order for a camera to record in slow motion, it has to record at a high framerate. There are some inexpensive Casio high speed cameras that record at 1000, 480, and 240 fps (I think that is close to the speed) for under $200. I've heard of people getting them for around $100. I don't know the model numbers but if you search "Casio high speed camera) you should be able to find something.
taofledermaus 3 weeks ago
You should definately do ballistics gel testing on these
FierceChickenHG 4 weeks ago 37
@FierceChickenHG WE DEMANDS BALLISTICS GEL TEST!!!
WaagooshTheRedFox 2 weeks ago
@FierceChickenHG for the love of god, please.
drumONdrugs23 2 weeks ago
so if you had enough bbs and a big enough object could you lag the world....with all them moving objects seem like....well you know
MrGimli2 4 weeks ago
Fascinating and well represented, thanks for using your slow motion powers on this, very cool man
bluecollararmory 4 weeks ago
@bluecollararmory I definitely discovered a lot of cool things using the HS cameras. I didn't expect that much from these rounds but they really are pretty unique
taofledermaus 4 weeks ago
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I was amazed to see how whippy a shotgun barrel is!
bluecollararmory 3 weeks ago
How did you make your wax slugs? Some type of mold?
IllinoisCoyoteHunter 4 weeks ago
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Iraqveteran has a guide how to make them, pretty much you just pour the wax into the cut open shell.
Amiskone 4 weeks ago 2
@Amiskone ditto
Nwest82 4 weeks ago
@IllinoisCoyoteHunter do a quick search there is a few instructional videos on how to make these, no mold is required, just a standard feild bird-shot load, a metal pot, a heat source, wax, and a spoon. dump the bird-shot out in to the pot of melted wax then scoop the shot mixed with wax out with a spoon, dump it back into the shell, let it harden then top off with a bit more melted wax. Any kind of wax works, I use old candle wax, some use crayons, some use store bought paraffin wax.
Nwest82 4 weeks ago
@IllinoisCoyoteHunter You just cut the very top of the shell off, dump out the shot into molten wax, and then spoon it back into the shell. The shell itself becomes the mold. Very easy to make these.
taofledermaus 4 weeks ago
Like shoppers trying to get into WalMart - HA! That's some funny sh*t right there!! Loved the video too.
Sandstorm9562 1 month ago
@Sandstorm9562 Thank you!
taofledermaus 1 month ago
I SEE THE FACE!
smartsoldier132 1 month ago
Eye candy.
Interesting but pointless.
I whipped up a few Wax Slugs (#7 field loads) and took some El Paso phone books to the outdoor range.
I also took a few Deer Slugs.
The difference between the Deer Slugs and the Wax Slugs was devastating.
~The Deer Slugs penetrated the phone book with a neat hole and lots of flying dirt and drama.
~The Wax Slugs VAPORIZED the phone book, just the cover and a few pages left, the rest was in the air.
Remind me not to get hit center mass with a Wax Slug.
hammerogod 1 month ago
@hammerogod I'm not sure about pointless. Great for just blasting stuff without costing you a lot, and possibly the nastiest home defense round. Very limited over penetration through walls if you miss.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
Fantastic video. I could easily see big-time ammo manufacturers seeing this video and going into full production of wax/birdshot projectiles. This looks like the ideal home defense round.
yugozastava13 1 month ago
@yugozastava13 I think it would work very well as a home defense round. I imagine some people wouldn't trust their own skills making wax slugs, and would spend a lot of money to buy factory ones thinking they would be more dependable..
taofledermaus 1 month ago
great info, really good to know. I bet this would be extremely effective on a whitetail, etc.
Nwest82 1 month ago
@Nwest82 I think a normal buck slug would probably be better for hunting. These wax slugs are more than accurate-enough up to around 30 yards but as they slow down and go transonic they tend to tumble and drift around due to their poor aerodynamics.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
@taofledermaus yeah after watching more of your videos, I found out about the accuracy thing. These would however be perfect for Home defense, since IMHO if you were to miss and hit the dry-wall for example, the wall would absorb the majority of the energy and the pellets would have very little velocity left after passing through, keeping anyone in the other room or people in surrounding houses from being injured or killed.
Nwest82 4 weeks ago
@Nwest82 I am going to do some simulated wall tests to see how much they penetrate two layers of drywall. These things are pretty neat and I definitely have a lot of questions about them myself I am wanting to study.
taofledermaus 4 weeks ago 5
@taofledermaus sweet! I'll be watching for the video when you make and upload it. I think it would be a good idea to place some ballistic gel behind the drywall, a turkey, or anything that can simulate human tissue/flesh. That way we can see if they would be lethal, cause some injury, sting but but doesn't penetrated, or completely safe, to anyone behind the wall. Also the same test but with two pieces of "Paneling" instead of drywall, since a lot of older mobile homes are not drywalled.
Nwest82 3 weeks ago
It's the face in the sand from The Mummy!
LazyGunGuy 1 month ago
I made some wax slugs with some 12 gauge light target loads (1 oz #8 shot, 2 3/4 dram eq.) and was impressed with the results like you.
Then just tonight I discovered something (potentially) interesting. A dime fits perfectly into a 12 gauge shell.
So I made some wax slugs topped off with a dime, and then a couple of drops of wax on top of the dime to seal it in place. I haven't had a chance to try these yet, but would definitely be curious to see you guys do something similar in slow motion.
jerseyemt 1 month ago
@jerseyemt They are crazy rounds! I definitely was surprised how damaging they are. I plan on taking out some heavier targets next time and experiment a lot more with them. People have asked me to film shells full of dimes but I did it instead with flat washers the same side. They look pretty wild tumbling around in slow motion. We just shot a cardboard target but it punched clean holes though it. I'm too cheap to use real dime, or scared the feds would get me!
taofledermaus 1 month ago
So...time to go varmint hunting with wax slugs?
XM855 1 month ago
What would happen to an object if you shot it with a wax slug, but it first had to pass through some drywall? Would it loose all effective energy before damaging the object?
liveunderwater 1 month ago
@liveunderwater That's something I have been wondering too. I'd like to build a simple simulated wall and see. I suspect the pellets will start breaking apart on the first layer of drywall and by the time they blow out the back of the second wall they will be dispersing and not have that much energy left. I could probably put a shoot of cardboard a few feet behind the wall to see what sort of pattern and damage results. Semi-scientific.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
@taofledermaus -sheet of cardb0ard..
taofledermaus 1 month ago
@taofledermaus Or a block of ballistic gel a few feet behind the drywall :D
shalafi4 1 month ago
thank you so much for explaining how these slugs work .... keep it up ! :D
jacobninja25 1 month ago
test please!
WelcomeToMyDream 1 month ago
Shoot 1 of the slugs into Ballistics gel.
RuckasNuckaa 1 month ago
And yes, gel test would be awesome.
mattrsauve101 1 month ago
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You could use the pool ball analogy as well as the energy is transferred to the other balls when the first one is hit.
mattrsauve101 1 month ago
I'd really like to see a ballistics gel test on these rounds.
mummoforce 1 month ago
Gel test please!
TheMrBicknell 1 month ago
I say yes for the ballistic gel test.
JQxSquared 1 month ago
so is it kinda like a shotgun hollow point?
Cpt10Kirk 1 month ago
You've taken this subject to a whole new level. Thanks to Iraqveteran8888 for bringing it up.
txmalcontent 1 month ago
Thank you for the detailed impact analysis Professor Maus.
aintgonnaworrynomore 1 month ago
plz do gel tests !!!!!
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i think you should try to put various cardboards one behind the other to check how the buckshot fly after that the wax broke... i mean in how many metres the steel bb's can go on with a good accuracy ! like 1 cardboard every 1 meter so you can study the movement of the buckshot in the air with this particular wax slug... or like somebody else said ballistic gel test !
BlackSkorpion1991 1 month ago
i think you should try to put various cardboards one behind the other to check how the buckshot fly after that the wax broke... i mean in how many metres the steel bb's can go on with a good accuracy ! like 1 cardboard every 1 meter so you can study the movement of the buckshot in the air with this particular wax slug... or like somebody else said ballistic gel test !
BlackSkorpion1991 1 month ago
I found some info on line @ $10-$14 a pound it is expensive! Especially for one or two shots.
It's a pity you can't be bankrolled.
poprune55 1 month ago
Great Vid. Thanks for taking the time to explain the physics behind it. Keep it up.
elliottstreamliner 1 month ago
Yes, do a ballistics gel test!
hh1n 1 month ago
awesome video, thank you!
can you please make a couple of ballistic gel tests also?
duminicad 1 month ago
LMAO, shoppers at a walmart! it's 12:01am black friday, who's the poor bastard that's scheduled to be "greeter"?
reminds me of the elephant with a butt plug and monkey joke of 40 years ago...
mrbadx19 1 month ago
wait, why are you asking if you should do a gel test?
Anonymouzor 1 month ago
@Anonymouzor It's kind of a pain in the butt to make the stuff so I wanted to know if anyone would like to see it.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
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Of course we want to see it >_<
Anonymouzor 1 month ago
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@taofledermaus
Of course we want to see it >_<
Anonymouzor 1 month ago
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@taofledermaus
Of course we want to see it! >_<
Anonymouzor 1 month ago
A gel test would be awesome. I would love to see it...
WezleyB 1 month ago
Ballistic gel would be awesome :D
flobberdob69 1 month ago
Great footage! :D At 0:57 in, there was a face in the granular impact on the right side! LOL!
JesseAndMike 1 month ago
@JesseAndMike WHOA! I saw it! I never noticed that!
taofledermaus 1 month ago
Future of home defense rounds?
esl21 1 month ago
Could you do this with buckshot? That would be like a penetrating round that will disperse shot once entering something like a wall or car door. Just an idea.
pystolwhip 1 month ago in playlist Slow Motion Guns
@pystolwhip You could but it would make it 5 times more expensive to do. For me the appeal of these is their very low cost /damage ratio.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
daughter-"dad where's my colors?"
dad-"hmmm?"
dacansfinest 1 month ago
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dacansfinest 1 month ago
will this do more damage then regular buck shit???
elflordbob1 1 month ago
Thank you, Mr. Wizard lol! Great vid, very informative!
billhaley1868 1 month ago
@billhaley1868 Thanks!
taofledermaus 1 month ago
TnOutdoors9's silence on the matter is suspect.. I wonder if he's planning a ballistic gel test himself with those Wax Slugs. Hm.
Jeff, there's a very small club of Youtube stars that make for the most of quality videos. You're one of the jewels of the crown. Loved the video and the explanation.
Now, go back to the kitchen.
time for some ballistic gel!!!!
TheHiddenPart 1 month ago
@TheHiddenPart He did do the foster slug test a few days ago so it's possible I helped spark that idea. I kind of gather these improvised rounds just are not his forte', he seems to be sort of a purist. Some of my buddies wouldn't even let me shoot some of my unusual rounds out of their shotguns so I had to buy my own for the videos.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
@TheHiddenPart I've never made ballistic gel, mostly because I don't have the space in my refrigerator but now that the weather is cold, I can probably just put it in my garage and it will be cold enough to set. I know there would be interest in ballistics gel testing and tnoutdoors would be the best person for the job. I'm eager to see the results.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
What about using rtv silicone or epoxy instead of wax?
riflemanjim 1 month ago
try in balistic gell
deercamp131997 1 month ago
I wonder, could you make a wax slug with BB's as well? Or would they melt?
BarneySaysHi 1 month ago
@BarneySaysHi You could make them out of airsoft bb's but it would very light. I have loaded shotgun shells with loose airsoft bb's before and they worked quite well. Almost no kick from the gun too.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
great explanation of the energy transfer. I am going to have to make some wax slugs now.
shtfgear 1 month ago
@hyperluminous It probably would. There would be less space between the shot so it would be denser.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
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@QuattroStig If you had a spring weighing scale "to take the shot that splatters". Laid horizontal and attach a right angle plate to it. So when you shoot the upright part of the plate, the force is transferred to the scale giving you pounds or kilos of thrust/force. Would that work you think? I know you would have to take into account the transfer from vertical to horizontal. Depending on how good the friction was lessened.
poprune55 1 month ago
Should you continue conducting gel tests?
HELL YEH !!!!!!! Another stonking vid thanks Jeff!!
poprune55 1 month ago 8
@poprune55 I get a ton of requests to do gel testing but have never made the stuff. I guess I feel there are channels that all ready do a great job with those tests but I will give it a try, it's something I have wanted to do anyways.
taofledermaus 1 month ago
@taofledermaus ask tnoutdoors9 to do it, wouldent be amazed if he did he dose alot of them
randomness8895 1 month ago
nice job and math lessen ,you could try a big thick block of Polystyrene or as you call it Styrofoam,shoot a slug into it and see what happens ,then try a wax slug and see if it has a cone shape hole in it ,
cressy7isback 1 month ago
one question - lexmar??
DavidLTG 1 month ago
i have a suggestion. try shooting at a block of ice. its very cool since i saw fpsrussia did it. it spashes small pieces of ice that looks like snow.
XempireX18 1 month ago
Great Video!
Have you considered talking to brassfetcher about whether they'd do a lab condition ballistic test for you?
drew79s 1 month ago
@drew79s Honestly I have never heard of that channel but they do fantastic work. I posted a "request" for them to do it ... we'll see!
taofledermaus 1 month ago
Nice, I learned more in this vid than a week in freshman science
pleasanthill15 1 month ago
@pleasanthill15 Lol, thanks!
taofledermaus 1 month ago