Wis Jury: Father Guilty in Prayer Death Case

[amazz1619]

These arguments are futile. There is no point in arguing with the opposite side seeing as no one is willing to budge. Although I maintain my opinion that god is non-existent, I have come to realize over the years that stressing my opinions onto other people is annoying for both parties. Let people believe what they want, even if you think otherwise. Although I am willing to defend my particular point of view, I will never force it upon others. Protesting your views depicts weakness.

[TheHensemon]

Every Icon for Evolution is proven not possible by examining ALL the evidence. Ultimately, the only reason people believe in it is because they are either ignorant of ALL the facts, or they dont want to believe in God because of there lust. I could prove to you that the Bible is scientifically proven to only be written by one supernatural Author (God), but I feel I would be waisting my time. You seem to not want to believe regardless of what evidence that could be displayed.

[TheHensemon]

You havent addressed how any of the miracles I mentioned can be scientifically explained (probably because they cant be). Its obvious and observable that you are the one throwing rational thinking out the window. Evolution involves quite irrational thinking, give me one example of a beneficial mutation (THIS HAS TO BE WHERE THERE IS A INCREASE OF GENETIC INFO) You will find there is not a single example given for this case.

[TheHensemon]

You are very religious about atheism, did you ever think about that? it is a religion by the way. Godly people don't kill. So this idea in your head of "Godly People", is a delusion that the people doing these things are Godly. Saying a prayer or reading the Bible doesn't make you Godly, it is being a doer of the Word by letting Christ perform it in you. So many "Christians" out there don't understand this concept, so there ends up being no distinguish between them and someone like you.

[41elliott]

And finally,a question to the followers of Christi-insanity; If these people were so strong in their faith, then why did they frantically call 911 when this girl died??? If God was going to take care of everything, why didn't he get off his lazy ass and do it??? I'll tell you why---- for the same reason he does'nt do anything else on this planet---- HE'S A FUCKING MYTH. Pure and simple. I call God a myth every single day... and I know damn well he isnt' going to do ANYTHING about that either.

[TheHensemon]

also, my friends high blood pressure was worse case scenario. He had to be on tons of meds otherwise he would have died. His case was incurable, and now he is cured because he trusted in God. Dale Nuemann I believe was a little legalistic and without the faith needed for his daughters healing. God doesn't fail, its our faith that can fail. If we fully believe beyond a doubt that what we've asked for will come to pass, then it will. I have personally experienced this and so have many others.

[41elliott]

My words to you are not meant to change your mind about anything.... simply because I know that's not possible. You are indoctrinated, and rational thinking isn't part of the deal. You don't possess powers that I don't, and thus, to me, there is no way you can know that God is real. And if he IS real, I don't want anything to do with a guy that has such a track record of violence and cruelty. If god does exist, he needs to show himself, and not require faith of people. That's just soooo slimy.

[41elliott]

Also, keep in mind that the most Godly people on the planet are the ones who are blowing everything (including themselve) up.

[TheHensemon]

rest of the contractions. She said she felt a little pain when the baby was actually coming out, however not even remotely comparable to the amount of pain she should have when giving birth. By the way, the baby was born Breech, which isnt allowed in hospitals. They always do a c-section. We had the child at home with 3 mid wives present. They witnessed it a entirely agreed that the whole thing was supernatural. It is not mere coincidence that the pain left herimmediatelywhenwe'dsaythank­youjesus

[TheHensemon]

One other thing I would like to point out is that my wife had a supernatural childbirth with our first and only child who is 16 months old now. What I mean by supernatural is that she didnt take any pain medicines and trusted Jesus to take the pain away. we quoted scriptures during every contraction and she would have no pain. A couple times she pain when I was taking a nap and she wasnt quoting scriptures. When I woke up we started saying thank you Jesus and the pain immediately left for the

[41elliott]

These maggots should be executed for murder..... slowly and painfully, the same way this innocent child was. Fucking religion is such a pathetic mind-virus.

[Solude]

agreed

[SpeakingMyMind7]

that was pretty fucked up!

[Samura1gamer]

then he didnt pray hard enought. it is a well known fact that prayers have 100% success rate if done correctly

[TheHensemon]

There is no doubt that the harlot religious systems of our day are controlling the lives of many, however there is a true underground christianity that recieve the same signs and wonders of Jesus' day on a regular basis especially in Communist countries where they have made it illegal for Bibles. I know a man who had stroke proned high blood pressure for 10 years. If he didnt take his medicine he would die. Well, one day he chose to trust in God, got rid of his medicine, and is healed!

[41elliott]

Your'e as delusional as the lunatics depicted in this video. If any of you religious zealots happen to see God, please tell him I said to fuck off, and if he does'nt like it he can come see me about it.... but then again, we all know that's not going to happen, because that bastard is nothing but a coward who hides in the shadows. If your stupid enough to fall for the bullshit of religion, the only thing you need to be saved from is your own stupidity.

GOD BLESS ATHEISM..... TWICE!!!

[TheHensemon]

You can't argue with success! Unless you're illogically driven by emotions. You should think before you speak, that may help you make sense.

[41elliott]

That's correct.... success can't be argued with, but the reasons for success can, and if you think prayer was the reason for success, then you're the one who should "think". Because religion and thinking go together like oil and water.

FAITH--- the unexamined, unquestioned, deliberate suspension of disbelief--- is about as shallow as you can get.

"SUBMIT, OBEY, DO NOT QUESTION" are words that should be chisled above every church, because that's the only message religion has.

[TheHensemon]

By the way, when I said success, I was talking about my friend being healed of high blood pressure. Why don't you take some time to research whether this has ever happened medically? From taking medication or any treatment. Well... it has NEVER happened. Since you know everything, please explain to me how this happened. I mean I don't know how to think... so I "think" I need your help on this one.I'll admit that there are many problems with the churches in America, that's why I don't attend. :)

[TheHensemon]

It's amazing how many scientific truths are written in the Bible. All of these things were written before discovered by modern "scientist" -Wind Patterns -Washing hands between patients -The world is round -Basic Principles of astronomy -Importantance of blood in the body -The orbit of the sun -The universe is expanded -The universe is finite size -Laughter promotes physical healing -The Jet Stream -Hydrological cycle -Air has weight -Entropy -Time had a beginning -Plus many more!

[41elliott]

Oh.... by "scientific truths", do you mean talking snakes, flying horses, virgin births, resurrections.. I could go on and on, but why bother. And I used to have high blood pressue.... untill I quit watching Fox News. Since you seem to be omnipotent, and know that it's NEVER happened, perhaps you can explain why God allows himself to be represented almost exclusively by paracitic, maggot clergy who use tax-exempt dollars to meddle in politics.

You're an atheist as well... about other religions.

[TheHensemon]

Are you ok? You seem very angry... the more I talk to you... the more I feel bad for you.

As far as the virgin births, ect ect I cannot make you believe that. Just wondering... where's the flying horse..lol.

Fox News, CNN, MSNBC are all bias. Every single news network has an agenda.

I'm not omnipotent I have 2 sisters that are nurses. I've also researched on the internet. If you know anything about high blood pressure, you would understand why they cannot medically cure it.

[TheHensemon]

I understand how you feel about the clergy in bed with the government. I grew up with a distaste for it and became atheist until recently.

I also studied many other religions... but none of them had the evidence of God that was irrefutable. Are you a mathematical person? if so I'd be glad to show you.

[TheHensemon]

Many of there neighbors and witnesses had visited there daughter two days before she died and only noticed that she might be a little sick. Look up the records of Type 1 diabetes which is what she had. It is the hardest type to recognize in a person because its based on genetics, the symptoms are very vague, and many people don't know they have it until years later.

[TheHensemon]

Wisconsin law states: Section 948.04 (6) TREATMENT THROUGH PRAYER. A person is not guilty of an offense under this section solely because he or she provides a child with treatment by spiritual means through prayer alone for healing in accordance with the religious method of healing permitted under s. 48.981 (3) (c) 4. Or 448.03 (6) in lieu of medical or surgical treatment.

[TheHensemon]

What I would like to add to what this brilliant demo has to say: not only is there a major predicament in logical evidence for Evolution, There is actually astounding scientific evidence of supernatural scholarship of the Bible. Its called numerics. Before you make ignorant judgment on the subject, like so many repliers have built reputation for here, please take some time to look into this. A fool judges a matter without knowing it . Please do not fall into this category

[TheHensemon]

I really like this character Demo. He seems to be a reasonable , wise man, who doesn't merely comment on emotional hurt, but on hard evidence and facts.

[demo778]

If you believe in a God that uses doctors to heal he sure isnt doing a very good job.

And who gets the glory when someone goes to the doctor and gets fixed? Obviously the doctor. What the scoffer commentators need to analyze is the amount of healing that come from prayer alone before they ignorantly ramble on a subject they know nothing about

[demo778]

I need to point out that the journal of the american medical association vol 284 July 26 2000, reports that doctors are the 3rd leading cause of deaths in the US, causing 250000 deaths every year from iatrogenic causes! For those of you who dont know what that is, it is defined as induced in a patient by a physicians activity, manner or therapy, used especially of a complication of treatment. If this is what their organization admits, what is the truth? The numbers are much higher.

[demo778]

Evolution is entirely based on circular reasoning, so your hypocritical comments about circular logic concerning the Bible only come back to slap you in the face goldhoarder. Its unfortunate that you do not reconize the foolish and incompetent reasoning of your mind when pertaining to life and mechanisms of how it operates. I truly feel sorry for you and wish that this delusion you are under would depart from you poor state, however ultimately God is the one in control of your delusion

[KevinLounsberry]

Why do you think it was dumb, DrRobotron?

[odinmp5]

there is no proof, if your super god wnats us to adore him, he should appear sometime. until then..

humans created god.

[odinmp5]

if the h1 n1 hits hard on us, i hope this nut jobs pray and let the shots of tamiflu for us who believe in science.

if god exists he must be laughing his ass off whiel watching this idiots.

[WryTwingR]

Maybe this man and his wife are arrogant, but maybe they are loving parents who did what they thought was best, and were wrong. Only God, and maybe those who know them best, can be sure. God heals through medicine, w/o medicine and sometimes, though it breaks our hearts and challenges our faith, He heals through taking that person home to be w. Him (I'm referring to those who've put their trust in Jesus Christ- only they will be at home w. the Lord). Some have died trusting meds, you know.

[R0SECR0IX]

God heals through medicine? Now I've heard it all! So even though we can see precisely the interaction that the medication is having with the body and source of illness, we need to bring God into. Did God paint my lounge, too? Does God make my automobile work? He gave us Manna - surely he could have thrown in some Penicillin? So what has he given us?

[putittogether]

These people are mentally ill and need to be in a mental institution, not raising children. Sad.

[elspoko]

Religious nuts.

"And wouldn't believe she'd die" When it comes to the safety and welfare of my children, fuck god. It's my job to care for and keep my kids safe, not gods.

[J0rdan691]

DONT DROP THE SOAP!

[R0SECR0IX]

No God gave us science - which turned out to be a damn site useful than God. And also proved that he didn't exist. Now wasn't that clever of him?

[smashes head against wall at sheer imbecility of it all...]

[R0SECR0IX]

Yes, it's dumb, because they put their faith in God rather than science. In fact, this is beyond dumb - this is perverse, sick, twisted, obscene. Another triumph for religion....

[WryTwingR]

Yes, and subjecting kids to painful, continual medical procedures that sometimes work, and sometimes speed up their death and increase their suffering, is always the way to go. You God-haters are the sickies, and you'd better be very careful about judging other people who put their faith in the Lord. There is a life beyond this, and the ultimate folly is refusing to prepare to meet your, and my, Maker. This is a sad case, but there are many sad cases re. medical efforts, too.

[R0SECR0IX]

In this case she needed some insulin, some food and some supervision. Neither I nor any right-thinking person believes that there is another life beyond this. But even if there were, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to usher my children into it. The parents were delusional, the same as any person who has ever placed their faith in God or Gods.

The alternative, of course - that God exists but he couldn't be bothered to help this child - is even worse.

[butlerl]

Only difference being that in the cases where meds didn't work, prayer would have failed also.

But in cases such as the one above, meds would have worked where your useless imaginary god would have not.

Why dont you go lay on some train tracks and pray that the train stops in time, i dare you

[stuartw12345612]

bullshit, fuck you and fuck your so called creator it's all fantasy which you have fallen head over heels for

[BinkieMcFartnuggets]

When asked if his beliefs have changed at all since the death of his daughter, everyone in the room erupted into laughter.

[stuartw12345612]

now where in the bible does it say anything about hospitals, doctors, surgeons etc etc?!! don't tell me that as they were not invented that he didn't know about them as that contradicts your whole arguement that he is "the creator" this is the typical action of a person who believes that "god" is so special and he can heal, destroy or create!! it isn't just christians it's religion as a whole. wake up retards and realise that religion is not only fictitious it's also a cause of division.

[odinmp5]

hell yeah!!!

[darthjsin]

OK...then by your logic, if God gave us medicine, then God gave us abortion, so God must not really have a problem with abortion like all the fundaMENTAList Christians want us to believe. Or do you believe that God only created the stuff you think is good and allowed Satan to create the rest to test us?

When are you people going to stop believing in fairy tales?

[goldhoarder]

Humans created medicine. Humans also created god. Only one is real.

[WryTwingR]

I'm sure you've created a god, perhaps many, in your darkened mind, but there is one true God who created and loves us all, and He will be the final Judge. There is a way, only one Way, to escape His holy wrath: Jesus Christ (John 14:1-14). God loves you- return the favor.

[goldhoarder]

Using the bible to argue the existence of a god is called circular logic. If you want to believe in an imaginary man in the sky, that's just dandy. The rest of us have real friends to talk to.

[odinmp5]

there is no proof, you are talking about a fairy tale written by nutjobs.

if you study the history of man kind there are plenty of made up messiahs , all of them wiht different names.

start to do research on mitra, he also had 12 disciples.

[odinmp5]

guess what, this guy finally realized god does not exist, and if he does, he does not give a shit.

wake up america, you are loosing your palce in the world because of this nut jobs. dont complain about muslims, this peple are the same or even worse.

[WryTwingR]

God does exist, and He even cares about mockers like you. And we don't "complain abut Muslims", just the nut jobs that blow up our buildings and kill our citizens. You probably think (stupidly) that this dad killed his daughter, but there's a huge difference between deliberately murdering other people, and making an honest, tragic error (BTW, scoffers, sometimes He does heal w/o meds). God=100%, our understanding=well below that. Pray for the parents, don't curse them.

[R0SECR0IX]

Only sometimes does God heal? When? What criteria does he use? I mean, these people clearly have faith. I mean faith enough to gamble with their daughter's life. Isaac was rewarded for this - why weren't this people? Is it all part of a plan that our tiny brains just can't understand? Or were these people being punished, just as was New Orleans?

[butlerl]

Pray for the parents like they prayed for their daughter? What good will that do you F'ING IDIOT.

You've just watched a video about someone dying because their parents chose prayer over medicine, 100% EVIDENCE PRAYER DOES NOT WORK.

Get a grip, you people really piss me off.

[odinmp5]

yeah, there is a difference..you are right. but, this guy is an idiot, just the same as his fellow christians.

religion = a form of social control for the weak!

[hajqbvii]

Wow....they use to burn witches for this type

action....what's the difference in chanting or praying???

[matman125]

If there is a God, I hope he sends this dummy to Purgatory with all the other unbaptized fetuses.

[BenetFleck]

It's the Bush Health plan. Pray you don't get sick.

[CorvixEyes]

DrRobotron:  I must say, I agree with you.

[SolMaster]

I'd say thank God for this verdict, but, well... yeah. Either way, certainly a good thing. We don't need this kind of blind anti-scientific sentiment in a first world country. Diabetes is a VERY easily treatable condition with our current technology, no praying or other superstitions required.

Sadly, as the state of medicine improves and the general public understanding of medicine keeps at a relative standstill, cases like this will probably only become more common.

[SuperKLC]

his wife is not white.

[SkreetGil]

Such stupid people...if you would have taken her to the doctor she would have lived a healthy life.

I mean one could even think of it that (if you really believe in God) God provided a person who was smart enough to become a doctor and take care of a person with a disease.

But these people weren't even smart enough to believe that. They should not reproduce.

[jxsilicon9]

Well since god didn't heal the kid. That means that his god doesn't exist.

[MiKikaIwaShizaru]

It is really ironic, the kind of people that don't believe in abortion are sometimes the very people that should have been aborted.

I am referring to the father, of course.

This is what is wrong with America, people that cannot accept scientific facts (like the Earth is billions of years old) are allowed to breed like rabbits, at this rate America will be overrun with idiots!

Here is your mission:

Enlightened scientific types, that have abandoned your teddy bears years ago, get a-breedin'!

[ipodkiller6]

This is why scientologists are useless. COMPLETELY USELESS. Just ask John Travolta. His son died, because instead of using seizure medication, they treated his illness with vitamins.. Only someone that's completely closed off from the world would really believe that prayer is the answer to the suffering in our world. Stop using religion as a way to justify your damn actions, people!

[amarie0070]

All I have to say is what a jackass!

[wafflethug]

" I pray daily. I pray for guidance, and wisdom,... and strength"

-George W Bush

[brian51665]

Religion does three things quite effectively: divides people, controls people, and deludes people. This is just another example. Just think, her story will be much more useful than if she had wasted her life a healthy ignorant religious freak.

[stuartw12345612]

Brian, you share the same belief as me, your comment is one of the best i've seen in a long time!! all hail Brian!!! :)

[cool70200]

Principles of light, time, gravity, truth, reality, exist no matter how much you pray to God, embrace atheism, allah, secularism, hinduism, money, socialism, capitalism,

Aids, cancer, poverty, rejection, theft, murder, war, aging, all the unwanted stuff exists, no matter how much you believe, or dont believe in God.

Using human "anecdotal tests", for alse hopes, to see whether or not your right in "disproving" God doesnt prove anything.

People died before us, people will die after us.

[therock92555]

Ok, now here's what a typical atheist/agnostic would say, "Now do you believe in God?!"

It's the same agenda used to get people to repeal the 2nd amendment every time somebody shoots their wife and/or kids.

Just because an idiot says that he believes in God is NOT an argument against believing in God.

[cool70200]

Also interesting, slipping imposements of advertisements via youtube.

Forcing viewers to see and hear exploiter's products and/or agendas eh?

Liberated soul's, minds, appeals, senses, identities, and perceptions for the masses!

[SpacemansTube]

When are people going to realize this so called "god of healing, miracles, and the supernatural, does NOT exist?

[sardarhama]

Prayer kills people

[cool70200]

No, lies kills people.

[cool70200]

Religion, Principles of Faith, Belief or false hope?

Religion, Mankind's Factionalism and/or dogma isnt God, Faith or Truth.

[jx14aby]

You really think I'm gonna watch your commercial? Goodbye.

[lpgurlnj]

I think prayer works but what he failed to acknowledge is that God created people to help other people.

[m7md7atem]

If prayer does work, why aren't amputees growing any new limbs?

It doesn't. As simply as that.

[Skurgefaust]

You think he believes in God now?

[l0gically]

Sad...I wonder what he was thinking. I wonder what he thinks now.

[davemartin8686]

What an asshole.

[ttoale]

This is exactly why I'm agnostic. Just today I had some mormons come up to my friends and I (who are also agnostic) and ask us if we had faith in Jesus Christ and we told them to leave us alone. Of course they walked away saying "oh ok well have a great day, nice talking to you." Imagine what was going through this poor girl's head as she slipped into a diabetic coma on her living room floor and all her wacky ass dad did was have people stand above her and pray. FUCKED UP!

[ttoale]

Congratulations to the District Attorney's Office in this case... they certainly did the right they. At least they have some decency.

[Skurgefaust]

bullshit if anyone actually buys that he thought god would heal her then your a dumb as he is

[doc7474]

You're calling him dumb why? I agree he was dumb for what he did. First you said that you don't buy that he thought God would heal her. The only way I could see him doing what he did is if he did, in fact, believe that God would heal his child.

[Skurgefaust]

umm if he wanted his daughter dead omg i know your not that closeminded

NOONE and i mean NOONE that cared about their child would let them die unless he wanted her dead, no matter what faith they are. Children trump everything, people without children can have a hard time understanding this, i didnt untill i had one of my own. haha you think he believes in god now?? If he had any commen sense he wouldnt, but then again he just killed his own kid.

[killerbandit]

Nothing fails like prayer.

[exacerbatedtaboo]

Religion is a fucking sickness.

[ShamW0W]

Poor kid

[valhala56]

"Newman was overwhelmed by pride and selfishly let his daughter die"

Pretty much says it all.