This isn't a goof. He just told us he would be taking us inside the mind of a judge. Nothing more to be said, other than he believe this contains shit.
@pearcemark2 LOL - very funny, just watched it and it was most amusing. Its pointless me sticking up for the guy but it looks like the teleprompter failed.
Give the poor guy a chance, he is obviusley new to it and it takes time to learn somthing new. He was an excellent judge - why else would HBO employ him?
You hate because he had your beloved Bernard 'the thick little shit' Hopkins losing to Calzaghe by 5 rounds - LOL. Bernard is such a pathetic loser full of excuses. LMFAO
@opera123able Giampa had Chavez/Tayor scored in favor of Chavez which is RIDICULOUS, and he also admits to having fucked up the scorecard for Benn/Malinga in 96 which cost him a judging job on the Frank Bruno/Mike Tyson fight. On top of that he had the awful scoring in the B-Hop/Calzaghe fight. Notice he retired as a judge RIGHT AFTER THAT FIGHT as well. That's some true corrupt Vegas shit right there.
Chuck Giampa sucks as a judge and is clearly a bumbling fool to boot.
@pearcemark2 You must be a gambler who doesnt know the odds of boxing and cant pick a winner out of a fight. Chuck Giampa retired as the third top judge in the world, Id like to see what you do- think you can judge a fight better..........then why dont you try :)
Youre prob a 30k millionaire and this stems from jealousy
Oh and judging a fight ring-side opposed to sitting in front of your tv are two different fights.
I never saw those other fights, but having listened to your delusional, biased opinions so far I suspect your talking shit again. I've seen the 3 scorecards for Benn/Malinga 96, and judge Chuck Williams scored it 118-109 for Malinga, judge Omar Mintun scored it 115-111 for Benn and judge Giampa was almost bang in the middle scoring it 114-112 for Malinga. From the scorecards alone, the question that stands out for me is why the OTHER 2 judges scoring of the fight was so far apart?
@pearcemark2 The fact that Chuck Giampa retired after that fight is compleletley meaningless. No one who isn't biased or completely stupid criticised his scoring of the fight
GO take a look at the 3 scorecards for joe v b-hop, and you will see that for every single round of the fight Giampa was never the minority judge (i.e. the one judge who scored it one way, whilst the other 2 scored it the other way). His scorecard matched Byrds for 9 rounds, and they only differed in rounds 5,6 and 10
@opera123able "He [Giampa] retired two weeks too late," Hopkins told ESPN. "I don't think my fight with Calzaghe was a landslide, but the nine rounds he gave to Joe Calzaghe was totally ridiculous," the 43 year old added.
Hopkins then went even further and implied that Giampa's decision to retire so soon after April 19th's fight was not a coincidence.
@pearcemark2 By saying that the nine rounds he gave to Calzaghe were ridiculous, he is also criticising the woman ref Byrd, as she gave 6 of those rounds to Calzaghe also, and she didn't retire, and Ted Gimza also scored 7 of the rounds to Calzaghe, and he didn't retire either. So Bernard making these suggestions when the only people who are saying he won are the handful of deluded Hopkins fans in the world,Carl Froch who was pissed off with Calzaghe for not giving him a payday & Hopkins himself
@opera123able I think it's quite fair of Hopkins to criticize Chuck for scoring 9 ROUNDS to Joe when he clearly didn't win any of the first 4.
The low blows weren't fake. Anyone with half a brain knows Calzaghe is one of the dirtiest fighters ever and CONSTANTLY threw rabbit punches, held and hit, hit on the break, and hit low on top of illegally slapping with the inside of the glove his whole career.
Calzaghe is a sloppy wreckless unskilled bum and he got schooled by B-Hop
@pearcemark2 Hang on, I have SEEN the scorecard online, & Chuck scored the first 4 rounds exactly the same as Adalaide Byrd,FACT= 1 & 2 for B-Hop, and 3 & 4 for Joe.
Ted Gimza only gave Joe the 2nd of the first 4 rounds, so he wasn't being at all tough on B-Hop.
However, regardless of this, Joe CLEARLY won rounds 6,7,8 & 9. Byrd gave round 6 to Hopkins which was a definate mistake.
10 was close, 12 was close, I thought that Joe clearly did more to win 11 but all 3 Judges gave that to B-Hop.
@opera123able I have no idea what those people were watching.
B-Hop won 1-4, Joe won 5, 6, and 7, B-Hop won round 8, Joe 9, B-Hop 10, Joe 11 and 12.
114-113 B-Hop.
How can you fake having your cock slapped out of its cup? There are slow motion replays, they show Calzaghe clearly hitting Bernard low. Richie Woodhall was on commentary and remarked that it was clearly a low blow.
After a low blow, you get 5 minute to recover. He took like a minute and 40 seconds.
@pearcemark2 Your definatley wrong about round 8 - that was a clear one for Joe, and all 3 judges, plus Manny & Lederman gave it to Joe.
Rounds 2,3 & 4 were all close in terms of number of puches landed. I thought B-Hop landed the cleaner shots in rounds 2 & 3, but less so in round 4 and Calzaghe clearly landed more, so round 4 to Joe, and rounds 5 to 9 + 11 all clearly for Joe
I think for you to give 2,3,4,10 & 12 ALL for B-Hop shows biased, as they were all fairly close. I would give 12 even
@opera123able "Is he getting pressured? Is there something out there that we don't know about right now, like when a politician retires before [trouble] hits the fan?" Hopkins asked. "Or maybe he realised he was just too damn old to do the judging," B-Hop also said.
@pearcemark2 The only person in the whole world with any credibility who criticised the judges was Bernard Hopkins. Judge Ted Gimza also gave it decsively to Calzaghe and he didn't quit judging because he did a good and FAIR job.
Bernard Hopkins is just a racist, back street, Philidelphia criminal who has been to prison. He is a dishonest sportsman and he knows he was beat
He also faked being hit low because he new he was losing and was trying to have Joe deducted points, so he is a cheat also
@opera123able "People should realize that boxing officials have to be re-evaluated just like an ageing driver," Hopkins declared. "There has to be some test or evaluation to see if the people who judged fights when they were younger have lost something as they got older. If a fighter or trainer can lose what they were good at one time in their career, anybody can become not as good as they used to be. That goes for fighters, that goes for judges and it goes for referees"
@pearcemark2 Again its Hopkins ALL ALONE criticising ONE of 3 judges, it wasn't just Giampa's card that gave victory to Calzaghe. In fact the woman Judge who gave it to Hopkins didn't do him any favours because she only gave it by the slenderest of margins, 114-113, and she gave Joe 6 rounds, so it still looks like Joe clearly won as all the media and credible names in boxing plus the other 2 judges all had Joe clearly winning, and it suggests she was a little off the mark.
@opera123able Tyson, Froch, The Associated Press,[10] New York Daily News,[11] Yahoo! Sports,[12] ESPN.com[13] and Fighthype[14] all scored it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
"For me, it's Hopkins' fight, with the best that Calzaghe can hope for a split decision." -The Guardian Live Text
"I think Hopkins has this." - BBC Online Live Text
His own countrymen KNEW Joe got smashed and the BEST HE COULD HOPE FOR was a BS Split Decision, which is what he got
@pearcemark2 I've already told you Froch was pissed at Calzaghe for not giving him a big pay day - and Froch lost to Kessler so Calzaghe was proven right not to fight him.
As much as I admire and like him, Mike Tyson only ever had about 4 brain cells, and by 2008 they were killed of by all the coke he snorted.
His own countrymen did NOT think he got smashed at all, the Guardian were trying to guess how the US judges might score it (i.e. they thought they would be biased for the Yank).
@opera123able The Guardian and BBC were scoring rounds live, and round after round they were constantly saying that Joe wasn't doing enough.
And what is this bizarre alternate universe here B-Hop is some beloved american hero that the country worships? Hopkins has never been a beloved guy. He would've received the nod against Taylor twice if he was so worshipped.
There were far more biased british fans in attendance, exploding at every slap flurry Joe missed.
@pearcemark2 This is what the BBC said at the end of the fight which I dont disagree with = 'Tough, tough rounds to call and this fight could go either way. The British media seem upbeat but I bet the Americans are as well. We shall see...' - It was only one non-entity mans opinion, and the Brits never think they will get a decision in the US.
More BBC quote = 'I was wrong and I'm glad. Joe has done it by split decision. That was a triumph for work rate but boy was that a close one'
@pearcemark2 This is from the Guardian, again the British think that to get a decision in the US that they have to win every round
'Verdict: Unbelievable! Forget my pessimism, Calzaghe has indeed won by a split decision...That's a victory for Calzaghe's positive approach, because the judges could easily have had eyes only for Hopkins' dour accumulation of points'
I thought that David Haye would not get the decision against Valuev in Germany, but he did do enough and the judges were decent.
And Colin Hart, The Sun's Voice of Boxing, was ringside to watch the action unfold.
Harty said: "Joe proved he had a great chin and great fighting heart.
"A lot of men wouldn't have recovered from hitting the canvas in the opening round but he came on in the second half of the fight and outworked Hopkins.
"It was a very close fight and nobody could have complained if Hopkins had got the decision
@opera123able So what you're saying is that you agree with a bunch of guys who say the fight was impossible to score and that it could have gone either way.
@pearcemark2 No I didn't give Joe nine rounds, I gave him 7 rounds - 4,5,6,7,8,9 & 11.
I give B-Hop,1,2,3,10 and 12 even.
115-113 for Joe. I actually think the 10th looked even, but then again the 4th was close, so to keep it fair ( and not biased like you) I will give them a close round apiece.
@pearcemark2 No I dont agree that Hopkins won round 7, it was close for the first 2 minutes but the last minute Calzage took over the pace and clearly outpaced and outpunched B-Hop. B-Hop did land a good right hand just before the bell which staggard Joe, but I think you have to credit Joe for taking a good shot, and it was only one single shot. Lederman gave the 7th to B-Hop, but I agree with Manny that for the most Joe did more. I would say the 7th was a 55% - 45% round for Joe.
'Calzaghe, 36, still kept his head as he trailed on the scorecards after six rounds - two of the three US judges having him behind. But in this fight of two halves, the Welsh southpaw showed tremendous guts to boss the last six rounds.
It was scrappy and ugly as Hopkins tried every trick in the book - headbutting, holding, feigning injury from supposed low blows and punching on the back of the head - to spoil the fight.'
'he(B-hop) made out he had been punched below the belt to con referee Joe Cortez into giving him a five-minute breather.
But Calzaghe kept pumping away with that right jab and powerful left and the 232 punches he connected with were the most landed on Hopkins in one fight.
"I didn't box my best and it's hard to look good against a dirty fighter like Hopkins, who cheats all the time," said Calzaghe, sporting a lump on his forehead from a headbutt'
@opera123able Compubox is a joke. It can't be trusted as a credible source of factual information when they've done experiments in the past, had 3 seperate people counting compubox numbers, and all 3 had wildly different stats at the end. It's an extremely loose guideline and nothing more.
"few of them were damaging or hurtful"
exactly, they were blatant slaps.
Said there's room for doubt at the end. Could've been cleared up if Joe accepted the rematch. He ran scared.
@pearcemark2 There was no demand for a rematch, this was such an ugly fight because of Hopkins cynical, cheating tactics fans call for one
If enough fans had wanted an immediate rematch then maybe Joe would have agreed. The reason Joe did not want to fight Bernard again, is Hopkins is a cheating, cynical boxer. Lennox Lewis felt the same way about Holyfield who just used to headbutt as soon as he was getting his assed kicked.
Joe had done enough to win anyway as I've already proven to you.
@opera123able He didn't want to fight Bernard again because he knew he lost and got a gift to escape with his precious zero, and he was terrified that the old man would come to his home country and embarrass him in front of his own people
Everything you posted said "That was too close to call, it could go either way, I think Hopkins has it but who knows"
B-Hop stomped that ass. Nobody has decisively beaten him in 19 years. That's ridiculous.
@pearcemark2 Your wrong - only the guaridan and BBC had it for Hopkins by one point.
I agree it was definatley a close fight, but Calzaghe won 6 clear cut rounds - 5,6,7,8,9 &11, B-Hop only won 3 clear rounds - 1,2 & 3. Rounds 4, 10 & 12 were definatley close.
Hopkins definatley did NOT teach Calzaghe a lesson or take him to school, 100% wrong.
At least I'm being reasonable with my analysis & scoring, your just being totally unreasonable, bullish & thick - just like your hero Hopkins.
@opera123able So you're saying that a reasonable score could be 114-113 Hopkins, therefore a win for him. Which is the whole point. It's a 50/50 fight, just like the Taylor fights, none of the 3 were truly decisive bouts, so he didn't really beat him. And he never hurt him or put him in danger. JT looked better in his 2 bouts with Bernard. Pascal actually dropped and rocked B-Hop in their fights, so respect to him.
Joe just kind of slapped and kept busy and looked awful.
@pearcemark2 It depends how you reach 114-113 for Hopkins. For me Joe 100% won rounds 5,6,7,8,9 & 11 I cant accept any of those rounds for Hopkins or even being scored level. Round 1,2,3 were 100% for Hopkins,with round 1 a definate 10-8.
Rounds 4,10 & 12 are what I would call VERY close rounds. To score ALL 3 of those one way or another is too generous to me. If you did however score all 3 for B-Hop you would get 114-113 for B-Hop, which would not be a travesty like Lewis v Holyfield 1st fight
@pearcemark2 I still think to give it 114-113 for Hopkins is being too generous, but not a travesty AS LONG as its scored exactly like I said
The 3 judges all made mistakes anyway - Giampa should have scored rounds 2 for B-Hop, round 11 for Joe, and should not have given 4,10 & 12 all for Joe, but split 50-50 to be fair. Giampa's corrected score would be either: 116-114 for Joe, or 115-113 for Joe. Byrd should have given 3 for B-Hop and 6 & 11 for Joe, corrected scorecard would = 114-113 to Joe
@opera123able So now after using Giampa's scorecard as an illustration of Joe clearly winning, you're picking it apart saying he should've scored it differently.
Come on dude. B-Hop tapped that ass. Joe rushed to retirement to avoid a rematch. B-Hop continued on to deliver amazing performances against prime young challengers, winning titles, forging an even greater legacy than he already had.
B-Hop has fought world class opposition for 20 years. Joe did for about 2 years.
@pearcemark2 I never used Giampa's scorecard as an illustration of Joe winning, I simply pointed out that he was never the minority judge for any of the 12 rounds, i.e. his card tallied with one or both of the other two for every round, and he matched Lederman's
I personally didn't agree with any of the 3 judges on EVERY round, but I still think Joe won 6 clear rounds, and B-Hop only won 3 clear rounds. Thats my firm opinion, and I think to say theat B-Hop took Joe to 'school' is utter nonsense
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
@pearcemark2 Joe beat Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Bernard Hopkins, Mikkel Kessler, Sakia Bika, Jeff Lacy and an aging Roy Jones Jr (but Joe was past his peak also)
The only close fights were against Robin Reid & Hopkins.
He was WBO supermiddle weight champ for 11 years, and also held the IBF, WBC, WBA, WBO and Ring Magazine Sup Middleweight undosputed crown all at the same time. He also won RIng mag light heavy.
All that plus his 0 losses make him an A CLASS opponant.
You can list paper accomplishments all you want. Eubank was way past his best, Reid was coming off a loss to Sugar Boy, Woodhall was old and it was his retirement fight, B-Hop was old and kicked his ass, Kessler had 1 hand, Bika was nobody and roughed Joe up bad, Lacy was always mediocre, and Roy was so shot it's not even funny.
He defended a fake WBOgus against bums for a decade, unified and never defended, then lost to a 43 year old
@pearcemark2 Yeah blah blah blah,you've gone back to talking shit yet again
Woodhall was only 32 you liar, 4 years younger than when Joe beat B-Hop and Kessler!!
Eubank was only 31.
The rumur about Kessler having hurt his hand was bullshit and Kessler said he was 100%
Coming off a defeat can make you more fired up, as Reid was, but he still lost (narrowly) Lacy was only mediocre AFTER Calzaghe de-based him, everyone raved about him before he fought Joe and he had defended his IBF 5 times
@opera123able Once again, I have to explain to the silly child how age is irrelevant, it's about performance and punches taken, and that a fighter can be shot in their 20's.
Eubank performed like shit for the last 5 years of his title reign, got beat twice, retired a year, came back at 177, and fought Joe on a week's notice as a late replacement.
He was beyond past it, and never won again in his career.
People only thought Jeff would win because Joe sucked so bad.
@pearcemark2 So age IS NOT RELEVENT now then, I see. SO on that basis Joe Calzaghe at 36 beating Hopkins at 43 is just as valuable as Joe at 27 beating B-Hop at 33. So age really makes no difference then, fine you said it Bernards Bitch.
@opera123able I love how you purposefully feign ignorance and only cut and paste what you wish to respond to
Age doesn't matter, PERFORMANCE DOES. And B-Hop's performances leading into Calzaghe saw him taking a safety first approach, edging rounds, a much slower and more methodical, less physically taxing style.
Younger Bernard would unleash hellacious combos that would last for minutes.
Jeff was a paper champ who never fought anybody. He was a prospect, nothing more.
Retired 37-1, wins over Terry Norris, Howard Davis Jr, Vinny Pazienza, and even over Calzaghe opponents Pat Lawlor and Will McIntyre. Retired virtually undefeated.
Do you consider him a legendary A Class fighter too? Of course not. He's just some bum who fought old guys and nobodies and was a neat little local fighter for people born near him to cling to.
Dana Rosenblatt - LOLLL - you have gone into overdrive of talking shit.
I've never heard of Dana,but he only fought b to c class people, only briefly held IB and WBU titles.
Joe held WBO for 11 years, and unified with IBF, WBC, WBA, Ring Magazine Super middle and RIng Magazine Light heavy and retire unbeaton. - B class opponants and Journeymen do NOT acheive those things, trust me.
Joe IS A class. B-Hop is A class, and up until 2004 Roy Jones Jr was A class.
@opera123able It's not like Jeff was a tremendous talent who had amazing footwork and head movement and astounding technical precision. He was just an idiot with a heavy punch.
And Joe had performed SO HORRIBLY against shit tier opponents that it was a no brainer. Of course this power puncher is gonna destroy a dork who can barely beat Kabary Salem (who??)
Joe held a fake title and DEFENDED AGAINST ABSOLUTE NOBODY BUMS THAT WERE C LEVEL AT THEIR VERY BEST
@pearcemark2 People were raving about Jeff pre Calzaghe fight, as he was a 5 times defending IBF champ, and being tipped as a future star. It was Joe who took that mantle from him and unified all the belts at 2 weights.
@opera123able You don't get to call yourself A class when you don't beat A class fighters.
B-Hop was the best he ever faced, and it was the worst Joe ever looked. Joe's fans would have you think he's a technical wizard with lightning speed and he hits like a truck.
That night he was dropped, desperately flailed around, slapped, did absolutely no damage at any point, and was given a boxing lesson by a 43 year old B-Hop, signifying where Calzaghe stands in history.
@pearcemark2 B-Hop's negative, cheating tactics prevented Joe from looking at his best. Credit to B-Hop for making it competitive, but he never had the real talent. Thats why he lost 5 times when it really mattered. He even lost his debut to a BUM - LOL. You rave on about B-Hop like you would think he's Pele, Muhamed Ali, Michael Jordan, Usain Bolt or some other world sporting icon, instead of the little backstreet, Philidelphia prison slag that he is, and your his little bitch.
@opera123able AHAHAHHAHA saying B-Hop never had talent
what a joke. Calzaghe's technique is laughable. Hopkins lost a couple split decision robberies in his 40s, when your fag hero rushed to retirement to duck a rematch with him, and you act like that means anything
@pearcemark2 He didn't-he lost to Roy Jones Jr badly when they were both at their peaks and he lost his debut against a nobody bum. B-Hop is nothing special
lb for lb Lennox Lewis is far superior to B-Hop. Lennox avenged his 2 defeats- one within 6 months and the other within 2 1/2 years (although its not Lennox's fault that Mccall was on drugs withdrawel, but Mccall's victory was a total fluke anyway).
B-Hop has 4 unavenged defeats, and he waited 17 years before facing Roy Jones Jr again.
@opera123able He didn't lose badly to Roy Jones, he lost an 8 round to 4 round decision in the best fight anyone had given prime Roy. B-Hop had still yet to hit his prime at the time.
Calzaghe lost 10 times in the amateurs. B-Hop never had an amateur career. He had to learn on the job. He was out of condition, got tired, and lost a Majority Decision to another guy who was just debuting, meaning 1 judge scored it a draw.
@pearcemark2 Thats because B-Hop & Calzaghe are middle to light heavy, where the punches are not as potent, and Lennox is fighting at 16 to 18 stone weight. One punch from a heavyweight can stop anyone. Lennox was up at 7 seconds against McCall and wanted to continue, so it was a TKO
You've always got an excuse for B-Hop, always. You always say he either had not reached his peak, or had passed his peak, or had a conditions of some sort, or the judges screwed him, or it was an off day etc etc.
@opera123able B-Hop was chasing Roy in 2002 for a rematch. Roy refused to fight unless he got a 60-40 split of the purse, effectively ducking the rematch.
But at least they eventually had it, unlike pussyboy Joe who never rematched anyone except bum Mario Veit who he TKO'd in 1 round. LMFAO what a scared bitch.
@pearcemark2 Joe beat everyone, and there were never any calls for him to re-matches.
After beating Richie Woodhall in 2000, he should have gone straight after the biggest names possible that he could, or at least do everything he could to unify as many of the other belts at that point. He wasn't ready for Hopkins, Jones Jr and James Tony in the 90's, but I agree he should have been aiming for the big gus much earlier.
Lennox Lewis wanted the big fights from 1993 -1998, but politics denied him
@pearcemark2 I would describeMccall and Rahman as B-Class fguys who got lucky against an arrogant, unfocused Lewis, If Lewis can beat Bowe in the Olympic final, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Holyfield twice, Tyson (even in 2002), Tua, Tucker and Razor Ruddock & Vitali (when Lennox was out of shape) in the way he did,then he certainly should not have lost to Rahman or Mccall, Lennox was carless
I did'nt see Joe beat Reid, but 2 judges thought he won. I've already won the B-Hop debate & Joe beat him.
Ref. Robin Reid I will have to watch it somtime on Youtube. The scorecards have the two USA Judges for Calzaghe 116-111, and one of those Judges is called Robert Byrd - husband of Adalaide Byrd who gave B-Hop 114-113 v Joe.
The British Judge gave it 116-111 for Robin.
Joe broke his hand in round 4 which is definatley true, and food poisoning. The fact that Joe managed to convince 2 USA Judges to both score the fight 116-111 with a broken hand and when he is ill is pretty good.
@pearcemark2 Ok but his hand was definatley damaged and hurting from the 4th round onwards, and he was not feeling well either.
To still manage to convince 2 completeley impartial, USA judges who both scored the bout exactly the same 116-111 against a former WBC champ still in his prime is not bad when you've got a sore hand and feeling ill
I will watch the fight when I get round to it, and I will score it as fairly and accuratley as I can, just like I did with the B-Hop fight.
@opera123able What other fights haven't you seen? The other 40 of his career?
His first 25 or so fights are complete jokes, to the point that the commentators by the end of it are disgusted, going "Ugh, taking so many fights at this level does nothing for you, you have to step up sometime"
Story of Joe's career. "You have to step up sometime", no wait, keep putting it off, I can fight nobody bums for a few more years and pad my dog shit record and go down as a B fighter!
@pearcemark2 The only Calzaghe fights I have seen are: Eubank, Woodhall, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, Manfredo, Hopkins & Jones Junior. I will get round ot watching his fight with Reid, which I suspect will be similar to the Hopkins fight.
I will score it as accuratley and fairly as I can when I do watch it, and I wont be biased for Joe, but fair.
I think my assessment of Joe's fight against B-Hop was fair dont you agree? - i.e. 6 clear rounds for Joe, 3 clear rounds for B-Hop and 3 very close rounds
@opera123able It's fair in that you're agreeing Joe lost.
As expected, you only watched his highlight fights, like 99% of Joe fans. And even in those highlights you got 4 old fighters and nobody club fighter Manfredo
It's funny though, in the Woodhall fight, the commentators are talking about a possible match with Roy Jones and keep saying "His defense isn't good enough, he keeps eating that right hand, Roy will marmelize him if he performs like that."
@pearcemark2 I didn't say Joe lost OR won, I simply said, and I'll repeat it so you'll understand this time, Joe clearly won 6, B-Hop clearly won 3, and there were 3 other very close rounds. My own personal opinion when scoring a fight with a few very close rounds is that its unfair to give ALL 3 rounds one way or another. Thats why on my scorecard Joe wins it by a couple of points (i.e. 115-113)
I think Joe was certainly ready for Jones Jr in 2002-2003, possibly 2001 but no earlier.
@opera123able If they're close rounds, you can justify them going either way. It's not about being "fair", it's not like "Oh I give you a point now I have to give the other guy a point", that's not how scoring works.
2 men fight for 3 minutes. At the end of 3 minutes, you determine who landed more hard clean crisp effective punches. In those close rounds, B-Hop landed cleaner harder punches. Joe's punches are so weak you can barely score them when they did rarely land.
@pearcemark2 A close round is a close round that could go either-you said it. Therefore you could argue on that basis that rounds 4,10 & 12 (i.e. the close ones) could all go for Joe. I actually disagree with that, because they were VERY close in every sense.
The round that B-Hop clearly landed ' cleaner harder punches' were rounds 1 to 3, but rounds 4,10 & 12 were VERY tight.
Everyone in boxing knows that judges are inclined to try and split very tight rounds evenly, or score them even.
@pearcemark2 Its not my 'hypothetical world', its the real world.
Judge Gimza scored 4 to B-Hop but 10 & 12 for Joe. Giampa scored 4,10 & 12 all for Joe, & Byrd scored rounds 4 & 12 both for Joe & gave 10 to B-Hop.
The judge who gave B-Hop the fight has given 2 of those 3 rounds to Joe! - You seem to disagree with everyone
I still say that all 3 rounds were extremely close, and could all be scored even (although the sanctioning bodies have always discouraged judges from scoring rounds even)
Struggled with Reid and Brewer, dropped and rocked by Salem and Byron Mitchell, dropped by the corpse of Roy Jones, and got beat by 43 year old B-Hop.
But you think he would compete with prime Roy. Struggled to get anything done against Reid and Salem, but you think he could've even came close to competing with Roy.
@pearcemark2 Joe beat B-Hop by SD = 116-111, 115-112, 113-114 = FACT, and there's no denying it or changing it, its on the records forever more - end of story. Joe is also 46-0 = FACT, forever and a day. It doesn't matter how much you bitch and snipe, its a fact. Joe also was WBO champ for 11 years, and unified the IBF, WBC, WBA, RING MAGAZINE and he was a two weight RING MAGAZINE UNDISPUTED CHAMP = FACT, AND THE RECORDS WILL STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER AND A DAY
You can desperately hold onto your 1 fraud bum that you enjoy, but you haven't watched 1/5th of his shit career so your opinion doesn't really matter.
You haven't had to suffer through the Starie fight, the Thornberry fight, the Salem fight, the Ashira fight, and all the other pathetic displays of him fighting nobody C level bums to pad his awful record.
@pearcemark2 I'm sure that Calzaghe had his fair share of bums, and like I say I am disappointed that he didn't fight James Toney & B-Hop in the late 90's and then Roy Jones between 2001 - 2003.
Most great boxers go throught their fair share of B & C class opponants - look at Tyson between 1985 - 1991, his record his stewen with bums and b-c class no-bodies, and yet people rave about Tyson from that era as if he was untouchable, which Buster Douglas and Tony Tucker proved he was beatable.
@opera123able Right. Tyson never beat a fellow prime young badass in his own prime. He fought a lot of ehh guys and old men, then he gave up trying and got brutally stomped by Buster, Evander, Lennox, and even some nameless bums at the very end.
And he ducked old man Foreman in 91 because he was terrified of getting his head ripped off. He's a boxing historian, he knew that was a bad style matchup for him and wanted nothing to do with getting smashed by a 40 year old.
@pearcemark2 Amazing-we nearly agreed on somthing! - I do respect Tyson 1985 - 1991, but I genuinely beleive he would always struggle against Prime Lewis and Prime Holyfield, because they were simply better than anyone else Tyson fought in his own prime. Tony Tucker foguht Tyson in 1987 at Tyson's boiling point zenith, and Tucker went the distance, competed well and hurt Tyson -yet Tucker had a broken right hand, little prep time and a coke habit
@pearcemark2 Amazing-we nearly agreed on somthing! - I do respect Tyson 1985 - 1991, but I genuinely beleive he would always struggle against Prime Lewis and Prime Holyfield, because they were simply better than anyone else Tyson fought in his own prime. Tony Tucker foguht Tyson in 1987 at Tyson's boiling point zenith, and Tucker went the distance, competed well and hurt Tyson -yet Tucker had a broken right hand, little prep time and a coke habit
@opera123able I'm in the middle of rewatching Joe's title reign again and I just got to the Byron Mitchell fight last night.
That's 7 years in. Shopworn Eubank, Split Decision to Reid, end of the road Woodhall, past his sell date Brewer, and freshly-outpointed-by-Ottke Byron were his best opponents at that point. Reid was the livest euro opponent, gave Joe hell. Brewer was weight drained and glass chinned, and he forced Joe into a brutal 12 round war of attrition.
@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
@opera123able Mitchell put him on his ass, and Joe proceeded to drop and finish him the same round which was impressive, but immediately after the fight Joe says he wants to unify the belts or have a big fight with Hopkins.....IN WALES.
The commentators were saying "He has to go to america and capitalize", and the first opportunity he gets he talks about getting Hopkins to Wales, which is the same as saying "Nah I don't want the fight that bad, just give me Mger Mkrtychian"
@pearcemark2 I agree its disapointing that Joe didn't fight B-Hop and James Toney in the late 90's or early 00's.
I really cant comment on why those fights never happened as I thought Joe Calzaghe was a second rate champ back in those days and didn't follow his career at all. I admit I only started respecting Joe after he destroyed Lacy and ripped the IBF title from him.
@opera123able But yeah, I've also been rewatching Ottke's career and that's given a smidge more respect for Joe.
I honestly think it took Joe watching Ottke retire and seeing how the rest of the world viewed him as a coward bum who never left home or fought any big fights, to finally decide he wants to test himself and take on Lacy.
If Ottke had stuck around, Joe probably would have continued that easy path of fighting 2 WBO mandatory's a year and then retiring like Sven did.
@pearcemark2 I think Joe's victory over Kessler is the key one really, no one can criticise a man who unifies WBC, WBA, WBO IBF and Ring Magazine againt an unbeaton Kessler who was at his absolute peak. Joe was brave to take on Kessler and I think Joe was brave to go over to the US to fight B-Hop.
I just wish he had been having those fights 5 years earlier - you'll have to ask Joe why those types of fights didn't happen before. Maybe he is a coward, but I dont personally beleive he was.
@opera123able My issue with Joe is that I can't pretend a guy who spent 2 years on the world level in a shallow division is in the same league as guys who are able to reign on top for 10 years and hold wins over other prime legendary fighters.
Like Lacy, he was hyped, but is he legendary? Nowhere near. Kessler is a tough solid fighter. Legendary? Maybe if you're a Dane.
Joe had a great career, but it's on the tier below the very top level where the truly exceptional exist.
@pearcemark2 I know what you mean, and until Joe beat Lacy I never had any interest in him whatsoever. Prior to that win I had never seen him box, but I was amazed by how good he was against Lacy, and it did dawn on me in 2006 after he won the IBF that he was unbeaton in his career and had defended the WBO for 9 years straight - albeit not against the best.
After bearing Eubank, there was nothing wrong with Joe fighting Reid, Woodhall and Mitchell, but he needed a couple of big names also.
'In the end, Calzaghe maintained his amazing record because of his fighting heart and refusal to accept defeat whatever the circumstances. His come-forward style clearly caught the judges' eyes as he kept up a relentless pace, landing more punches on Hopkins than any other fighter had achieved, even if few of them were damaging or hurtful. Many of the rounds were so close they were hard to score, leaving room for doubt at the end'
By Anthony Coleman:First of all lets get something out of the way: yes Saturday night’s Light Heavyweight title fight between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins was boring and ugly
'Calzaghe was able to soldier on and land enough of his punches, to earn the victory..Even though Calzaghe landed the most punches on the modern day “Old Master” than any fighter before him, the man still had a hard time..you can make a strong case for him being the Number 1 fighter p4p'
'But Calzaghe has always been a winner (still is)....Even going up against Hopkins' murderer's row of trainers -- Freddie Roach, former champion John David Jackson, Nazim Richardson and fitness guru Mackie Shilstone -- they still couldn't be beat.
Somewhere in the middle rounds that undefeated mark must have entered Calzaghe's head and that champion's heart went into overdrive. He turned things around and dominated the late rounds'
@pearcemark2 If you want to see a real boxing judging travesty then go and see Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield's first fight in March 1999. The reaction ALL AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD was of utter disgust, even Holyfield own fans admitted that Lewis should have got the decision.
If Hopkins had of been truly robbed like Lewis was then the reaction would have been the same, but no one reacted because 90% of people know for a fact that Joe won clearly. The only person who kicked up a fuss was Hopkins
@opera123able A split decision against a 43 year old man with a thyroid condition who spent his career at middleweight and was coming off 2 years of relative inactivity, is not a clear win by any stretch of the imagination.
It's the mark of a B fighter. The Hector Camacho and Iran Barkley's of the world, okay fighters but by no means greats who beat Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray- all past their best of course.
He didn't get nervous. They had a set speech for him, and obviously they messed up his teleprompter. You can see him trying to read it. I feel bad for Chuck, but that's what happens in this day and age when everything is scripted. He should have just started improvising for a second and kicked it back to Al Bernstein.
Still not as dumb as CECIL PEOPLES!!!
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CECIL PEOPLES... WORST JUDGE OF ALL TIME.
NoJiggaboo 2 days ago
Shit,mierda,shit,mierda,coño metí la pata.
asereestoypelao 2 weeks ago
Yeah. shit.
MrNiconiconico 2 weeks ago
Lol this dude is drunk
asereestoypelao 2 weeks ago
WTF!??!
rzagza11 3 weeks ago
He wanted to take us inside the mind of a boxing judge and he did. Mission accomplished.
australl 1 month ago
THAT is some ridiculously funny shit!
dgigante 1 month ago
Great video, i thought he summed it up what he was there to do!
By the way, this vid looks like a SUPER HD vid on my screen! good work! :)
neilsy080184 1 month ago
Looks like commentating live is not as easy as it seems I wonder if they did a rehearsal or they just threw him straight in the deep end
arrghgarry 1 month ago
Well now we know what is inside the mind of a judge
arrghgarry 1 month ago
LINE!!!
bunk2243 1 month ago
This isn't a goof. He just told us he would be taking us inside the mind of a judge. Nothing more to be said, other than he believe this contains shit.
Oscy 1 month ago
lol he did take us into the mind of a judge ! "BLANK" LOL
coker1971 1 month ago
So "shit" is what's inside the mind of a judge? My suspicion was right then..
TheRadFactor 1 month ago
is al bernstien reading of a screen aswell cus he pulls it of really well if he is?
MrJonnyl123 1 month ago
The guy on the left looks like he's just smoked a huge hit of heroin
childofthesun32 1 month ago
I feel for him. I've seen a lot of fights he's judged and he's always right on point...besides, he seems like a nice guy.
dubberlang 1 month ago
haha .... "yea... shit"
0M4R4H 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Did you notice the eyebrews' spectacular working. Anyone got mesmerized?
ego78th 1 month ago
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ego78th 1 month ago
You did great Mr Giampa so there's absolutely no reason to repeat yourself. You can actually consider myself as totally convinced.
ego78th 1 month ago
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ego78th 1 month ago
I dont see the problem here, he did take us inside the mind of a judge! **BLANK**
darkova23 1 month ago 12
Not sure why but I get the impression later that night Chuck Giampa was going to take you inside the mind of a judge...
NickyBoje 1 month ago
Yea, shit.
MrBoBoTom 1 month ago
oh no! poor bloke, public speaking is everybody's worst nightmare lol
jamesjonesrocket 1 month ago
clearly not much going through the mind of a judge
manbearpigneil84 1 month ago
Tonight I'll be telling you about the mind of a judge,.....*BLANK ICY SILENCE* HAHAHA
ananth2006 1 month ago
His fail stared right through my soul.
motherflange 1 month ago 8
@motherflange lmao
hoffmanshades 1 month ago
So nothing's going on in the mind of a judge?............shit
antman14c24 1 month ago
Hi Chuck,
Bye Chuck...
southstaronline 1 month ago
@southstaronline ROFL
DarthMuse 1 month ago
Luckily, this was Showtime and nobody saw it.
redheadedgolem 1 month ago
hahaha
BeatzBYBanks 1 month ago
I thought he nailed it....
jeffreyjames58 1 month ago
chuck for prez!
milton123 1 month ago
yeah..... shit.
fdalkjfdsalkj 1 month ago
Poor guy. Respect your elders, people. This will be all of us one day.
cedelong5 1 month ago
HAHHHAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!GIAMPA NAILED IT
GMGBlackWhiteMUNGEY 1 month ago
@ps3BLOWS123 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were there, my bad - LOL!
mbase1235 1 month ago
hahahaha
OTKP 1 month ago
i honestly feel so bad for this guy. he looks so sad.
ereek5 1 month ago
Fail.
wadebrown70 1 month ago
This idiot can't score a fight and can't speak a sentence LMAO
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 LOL - very funny, just watched it and it was most amusing. Its pointless me sticking up for the guy but it looks like the teleprompter failed.
Give the poor guy a chance, he is obviusley new to it and it takes time to learn somthing new. He was an excellent judge - why else would HBO employ him?
You hate because he had your beloved Bernard 'the thick little shit' Hopkins losing to Calzaghe by 5 rounds - LOL. Bernard is such a pathetic loser full of excuses. LMFAO
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Giampa had Chavez/Tayor scored in favor of Chavez which is RIDICULOUS, and he also admits to having fucked up the scorecard for Benn/Malinga in 96 which cost him a judging job on the Frank Bruno/Mike Tyson fight. On top of that he had the awful scoring in the B-Hop/Calzaghe fight. Notice he retired as a judge RIGHT AFTER THAT FIGHT as well. That's some true corrupt Vegas shit right there.
Chuck Giampa sucks as a judge and is clearly a bumbling fool to boot.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 You must be a gambler who doesnt know the odds of boxing and cant pick a winner out of a fight. Chuck Giampa retired as the third top judge in the world, Id like to see what you do- think you can judge a fight better..........then why dont you try :)
Youre prob a 30k millionaire and this stems from jealousy
Oh and judging a fight ring-side opposed to sitting in front of your tv are two different fights.
Happy hating hater.
sindakitt 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
I never saw those other fights, but having listened to your delusional, biased opinions so far I suspect your talking shit again. I've seen the 3 scorecards for Benn/Malinga 96, and judge Chuck Williams scored it 118-109 for Malinga, judge Omar Mintun scored it 115-111 for Benn and judge Giampa was almost bang in the middle scoring it 114-112 for Malinga. From the scorecards alone, the question that stands out for me is why the OTHER 2 judges scoring of the fight was so far apart?
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 The fact that Chuck Giampa retired after that fight is compleletley meaningless. No one who isn't biased or completely stupid criticised his scoring of the fight
GO take a look at the 3 scorecards for joe v b-hop, and you will see that for every single round of the fight Giampa was never the minority judge (i.e. the one judge who scored it one way, whilst the other 2 scored it the other way). His scorecard matched Byrds for 9 rounds, and they only differed in rounds 5,6 and 10
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able "He [Giampa] retired two weeks too late," Hopkins told ESPN. "I don't think my fight with Calzaghe was a landslide, but the nine rounds he gave to Joe Calzaghe was totally ridiculous," the 43 year old added.
Hopkins then went even further and implied that Giampa's decision to retire so soon after April 19th's fight was not a coincidence.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 By saying that the nine rounds he gave to Calzaghe were ridiculous, he is also criticising the woman ref Byrd, as she gave 6 of those rounds to Calzaghe also, and she didn't retire, and Ted Gimza also scored 7 of the rounds to Calzaghe, and he didn't retire either. So Bernard making these suggestions when the only people who are saying he won are the handful of deluded Hopkins fans in the world,Carl Froch who was pissed off with Calzaghe for not giving him a payday & Hopkins himself
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able I think it's quite fair of Hopkins to criticize Chuck for scoring 9 ROUNDS to Joe when he clearly didn't win any of the first 4.
The low blows weren't fake. Anyone with half a brain knows Calzaghe is one of the dirtiest fighters ever and CONSTANTLY threw rabbit punches, held and hit, hit on the break, and hit low on top of illegally slapping with the inside of the glove his whole career.
Calzaghe is a sloppy wreckless unskilled bum and he got schooled by B-Hop
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Hang on, I have SEEN the scorecard online, & Chuck scored the first 4 rounds exactly the same as Adalaide Byrd,FACT= 1 & 2 for B-Hop, and 3 & 4 for Joe.
Ted Gimza only gave Joe the 2nd of the first 4 rounds, so he wasn't being at all tough on B-Hop.
However, regardless of this, Joe CLEARLY won rounds 6,7,8 & 9. Byrd gave round 6 to Hopkins which was a definate mistake.
10 was close, 12 was close, I thought that Joe clearly did more to win 11 but all 3 Judges gave that to B-Hop.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able I have no idea what those people were watching.
B-Hop won 1-4, Joe won 5, 6, and 7, B-Hop won round 8, Joe 9, B-Hop 10, Joe 11 and 12.
114-113 B-Hop.
How can you fake having your cock slapped out of its cup? There are slow motion replays, they show Calzaghe clearly hitting Bernard low. Richie Woodhall was on commentary and remarked that it was clearly a low blow.
After a low blow, you get 5 minute to recover. He took like a minute and 40 seconds.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Your definatley wrong about round 8 - that was a clear one for Joe, and all 3 judges, plus Manny & Lederman gave it to Joe.
Rounds 2,3 & 4 were all close in terms of number of puches landed. I thought B-Hop landed the cleaner shots in rounds 2 & 3, but less so in round 4 and Calzaghe clearly landed more, so round 4 to Joe, and rounds 5 to 9 + 11 all clearly for Joe
I think for you to give 2,3,4,10 & 12 ALL for B-Hop shows biased, as they were all fairly close. I would give 12 even
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Your talking shit again - Bernard was faking it, everyone know it.
Were you Bernard's prison bitch when he was locked up with the other low lifes or somthing?
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able "Is he getting pressured? Is there something out there that we don't know about right now, like when a politician retires before [trouble] hits the fan?" Hopkins asked. "Or maybe he realised he was just too damn old to do the judging," B-Hop also said.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 The only person in the whole world with any credibility who criticised the judges was Bernard Hopkins. Judge Ted Gimza also gave it decsively to Calzaghe and he didn't quit judging because he did a good and FAIR job.
Bernard Hopkins is just a racist, back street, Philidelphia criminal who has been to prison. He is a dishonest sportsman and he knows he was beat
He also faked being hit low because he new he was losing and was trying to have Joe deducted points, so he is a cheat also
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able "People should realize that boxing officials have to be re-evaluated just like an ageing driver," Hopkins declared. "There has to be some test or evaluation to see if the people who judged fights when they were younger have lost something as they got older. If a fighter or trainer can lose what they were good at one time in their career, anybody can become not as good as they used to be. That goes for fighters, that goes for judges and it goes for referees"
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Again its Hopkins ALL ALONE criticising ONE of 3 judges, it wasn't just Giampa's card that gave victory to Calzaghe. In fact the woman Judge who gave it to Hopkins didn't do him any favours because she only gave it by the slenderest of margins, 114-113, and she gave Joe 6 rounds, so it still looks like Joe clearly won as all the media and credible names in boxing plus the other 2 judges all had Joe clearly winning, and it suggests she was a little off the mark.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Tyson, Froch, The Associated Press,[10] New York Daily News,[11] Yahoo! Sports,[12] ESPN.com[13] and Fighthype[14] all scored it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
"For me, it's Hopkins' fight, with the best that Calzaghe can hope for a split decision." -The Guardian Live Text
"I think Hopkins has this." - BBC Online Live Text
His own countrymen KNEW Joe got smashed and the BEST HE COULD HOPE FOR was a BS Split Decision, which is what he got
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 I've already told you Froch was pissed at Calzaghe for not giving him a big pay day - and Froch lost to Kessler so Calzaghe was proven right not to fight him.
As much as I admire and like him, Mike Tyson only ever had about 4 brain cells, and by 2008 they were killed of by all the coke he snorted.
His own countrymen did NOT think he got smashed at all, the Guardian were trying to guess how the US judges might score it (i.e. they thought they would be biased for the Yank).
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able The Guardian and BBC were scoring rounds live, and round after round they were constantly saying that Joe wasn't doing enough.
And what is this bizarre alternate universe here B-Hop is some beloved american hero that the country worships? Hopkins has never been a beloved guy. He would've received the nod against Taylor twice if he was so worshipped.
There were far more biased british fans in attendance, exploding at every slap flurry Joe missed.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 This is what the BBC said at the end of the fight which I dont disagree with = 'Tough, tough rounds to call and this fight could go either way. The British media seem upbeat but I bet the Americans are as well. We shall see...' - It was only one non-entity mans opinion, and the Brits never think they will get a decision in the US.
More BBC quote = 'I was wrong and I'm glad. Joe has done it by split decision. That was a triumph for work rate but boy was that a close one'
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 This is from the Guardian, again the British think that to get a decision in the US that they have to win every round
'Verdict: Unbelievable! Forget my pessimism, Calzaghe has indeed won by a split decision...That's a victory for Calzaghe's positive approach, because the judges could easily have had eyes only for Hopkins' dour accumulation of points'
I thought that David Haye would not get the decision against Valuev in Germany, but he did do enough and the judges were decent.
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
And Colin Hart, The Sun's Voice of Boxing, was ringside to watch the action unfold.
Harty said: "Joe proved he had a great chin and great fighting heart.
"A lot of men wouldn't have recovered from hitting the canvas in the opening round but he came on in the second half of the fight and outworked Hopkins.
"It was a very close fight and nobody could have complained if Hopkins had got the decision
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able So what you're saying is that you agree with a bunch of guys who say the fight was impossible to score and that it could have gone either way.
But you insist that Calzaghe won 9 rounds.
That's the inconsistent nonsense I'm talking about.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 No I didn't give Joe nine rounds, I gave him 7 rounds - 4,5,6,7,8,9 & 11.
I give B-Hop,1,2,3,10 and 12 even.
115-113 for Joe. I actually think the 10th looked even, but then again the 4th was close, so to keep it fair ( and not biased like you) I will give them a close round apiece.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able I misspoke about round 8, it was 7 that B-Hop won. Calzaghe won 8 and 9, B-Hop 10, Calzaghe 11 and 12
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 No I dont agree that Hopkins won round 7, it was close for the first 2 minutes but the last minute Calzage took over the pace and clearly outpaced and outpunched B-Hop. B-Hop did land a good right hand just before the bell which staggard Joe, but I think you have to credit Joe for taking a good shot, and it was only one single shot. Lederman gave the 7th to B-Hop, but I agree with Manny that for the most Joe did more. I would say the 7th was a 55% - 45% round for Joe.
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
This is from the Daily Mirror in the UK:
'Calzaghe, 36, still kept his head as he trailed on the scorecards after six rounds - two of the three US judges having him behind. But in this fight of two halves, the Welsh southpaw showed tremendous guts to boss the last six rounds.
It was scrappy and ugly as Hopkins tried every trick in the book - headbutting, holding, feigning injury from supposed low blows and punching on the back of the head - to spoil the fight.'
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
More from the Daily mirror:
'he(B-hop) made out he had been punched below the belt to con referee Joe Cortez into giving him a five-minute breather.
But Calzaghe kept pumping away with that right jab and powerful left and the 232 punches he connected with were the most landed on Hopkins in one fight.
"I didn't box my best and it's hard to look good against a dirty fighter like Hopkins, who cheats all the time," said Calzaghe, sporting a lump on his forehead from a headbutt'
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Joe mad.
Mad that he got beat by a 43 year old.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Have you tried therapy?
agt155 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
Daily Star in the UK
Hopkins’ after-fight performance was the worst exhibition of bad losing I have seen.
There was not one word of praise for the man who beat him.
He (Calzaghe) was also relieved the American judges had not been so one-eyed.
The facts of the fight don’t lie. Calzaghe threw 707 punches, Hopkins 468. He connected with 232, compared to Hopkins’ 127.
There’s more. Calzaghe threw 483 power punches while Hopkins managed 375. Joe connected with 187, Hopkins 116
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Compubox is a joke. It can't be trusted as a credible source of factual information when they've done experiments in the past, had 3 seperate people counting compubox numbers, and all 3 had wildly different stats at the end. It's an extremely loose guideline and nothing more.
"few of them were damaging or hurtful"
exactly, they were blatant slaps.
Said there's room for doubt at the end. Could've been cleared up if Joe accepted the rematch. He ran scared.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 There was no demand for a rematch, this was such an ugly fight because of Hopkins cynical, cheating tactics fans call for one
If enough fans had wanted an immediate rematch then maybe Joe would have agreed. The reason Joe did not want to fight Bernard again, is Hopkins is a cheating, cynical boxer. Lennox Lewis felt the same way about Holyfield who just used to headbutt as soon as he was getting his assed kicked.
Joe had done enough to win anyway as I've already proven to you.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able He didn't want to fight Bernard again because he knew he lost and got a gift to escape with his precious zero, and he was terrified that the old man would come to his home country and embarrass him in front of his own people
Everything you posted said "That was too close to call, it could go either way, I think Hopkins has it but who knows"
B-Hop stomped that ass. Nobody has decisively beaten him in 19 years. That's ridiculous.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Your wrong - only the guaridan and BBC had it for Hopkins by one point.
I agree it was definatley a close fight, but Calzaghe won 6 clear cut rounds - 5,6,7,8,9 &11, B-Hop only won 3 clear rounds - 1,2 & 3. Rounds 4, 10 & 12 were definatley close.
Hopkins definatley did NOT teach Calzaghe a lesson or take him to school, 100% wrong.
At least I'm being reasonable with my analysis & scoring, your just being totally unreasonable, bullish & thick - just like your hero Hopkins.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able So you're saying that a reasonable score could be 114-113 Hopkins, therefore a win for him. Which is the whole point. It's a 50/50 fight, just like the Taylor fights, none of the 3 were truly decisive bouts, so he didn't really beat him. And he never hurt him or put him in danger. JT looked better in his 2 bouts with Bernard. Pascal actually dropped and rocked B-Hop in their fights, so respect to him.
Joe just kind of slapped and kept busy and looked awful.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 It depends how you reach 114-113 for Hopkins. For me Joe 100% won rounds 5,6,7,8,9 & 11 I cant accept any of those rounds for Hopkins or even being scored level. Round 1,2,3 were 100% for Hopkins,with round 1 a definate 10-8.
Rounds 4,10 & 12 are what I would call VERY close rounds. To score ALL 3 of those one way or another is too generous to me. If you did however score all 3 for B-Hop you would get 114-113 for B-Hop, which would not be a travesty like Lewis v Holyfield 1st fight
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 I still think to give it 114-113 for Hopkins is being too generous, but not a travesty AS LONG as its scored exactly like I said
The 3 judges all made mistakes anyway - Giampa should have scored rounds 2 for B-Hop, round 11 for Joe, and should not have given 4,10 & 12 all for Joe, but split 50-50 to be fair. Giampa's corrected score would be either: 116-114 for Joe, or 115-113 for Joe. Byrd should have given 3 for B-Hop and 6 & 11 for Joe, corrected scorecard would = 114-113 to Joe
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able So now after using Giampa's scorecard as an illustration of Joe clearly winning, you're picking it apart saying he should've scored it differently.
Come on dude. B-Hop tapped that ass. Joe rushed to retirement to avoid a rematch. B-Hop continued on to deliver amazing performances against prime young challengers, winning titles, forging an even greater legacy than he already had.
B-Hop has fought world class opposition for 20 years. Joe did for about 2 years.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 I never used Giampa's scorecard as an illustration of Joe winning, I simply pointed out that he was never the minority judge for any of the 12 rounds, i.e. his card tallied with one or both of the other two for every round, and he matched Lederman's
I personally didn't agree with any of the 3 judges on EVERY round, but I still think Joe won 6 clear rounds, and B-Hop only won 3 clear rounds. Thats my firm opinion, and I think to say theat B-Hop took Joe to 'school' is utter nonsense
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
opera123able 1 month ago
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@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
opera123able 1 month ago
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@pearcemark2 The only ass B-Hop has had 'tapped' was his own when he was a prison bitch,LOL.
Your talking shit again also when you say the B-Hop fought world class opposition for 20 years - nonsense!! He lost his 1st fight to a bum, fought b-class guys for 4 1/2 years, then lost soundly to Roy Jones Jr. The only names that stand out are Keith Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad, De La Hoye, Johson, Ronald Wright, Pavlik and Pascal. But he lost to Taylor twice and Calzaghe, and that scars his record forever
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Joe beat Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Bernard Hopkins, Mikkel Kessler, Sakia Bika, Jeff Lacy and an aging Roy Jones Jr (but Joe was past his peak also)
The only close fights were against Robin Reid & Hopkins.
He was WBO supermiddle weight champ for 11 years, and also held the IBF, WBC, WBA, WBO and Ring Magazine Sup Middleweight undosputed crown all at the same time. He also won RIng mag light heavy.
All that plus his 0 losses make him an A CLASS opponant.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able blah blah blah
You can list paper accomplishments all you want. Eubank was way past his best, Reid was coming off a loss to Sugar Boy, Woodhall was old and it was his retirement fight, B-Hop was old and kicked his ass, Kessler had 1 hand, Bika was nobody and roughed Joe up bad, Lacy was always mediocre, and Roy was so shot it's not even funny.
He defended a fake WBOgus against bums for a decade, unified and never defended, then lost to a 43 year old
B fighter
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Yeah blah blah blah,you've gone back to talking shit yet again
Woodhall was only 32 you liar, 4 years younger than when Joe beat B-Hop and Kessler!!
Eubank was only 31.
The rumur about Kessler having hurt his hand was bullshit and Kessler said he was 100%
Coming off a defeat can make you more fired up, as Reid was, but he still lost (narrowly) Lacy was only mediocre AFTER Calzaghe de-based him, everyone raved about him before he fought Joe and he had defended his IBF 5 times
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Once again, I have to explain to the silly child how age is irrelevant, it's about performance and punches taken, and that a fighter can be shot in their 20's.
Eubank performed like shit for the last 5 years of his title reign, got beat twice, retired a year, came back at 177, and fought Joe on a week's notice as a late replacement.
He was beyond past it, and never won again in his career.
People only thought Jeff would win because Joe sucked so bad.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 So age IS NOT RELEVENT now then, I see. SO on that basis Joe Calzaghe at 36 beating Hopkins at 43 is just as valuable as Joe at 27 beating B-Hop at 33. So age really makes no difference then, fine you said it Bernards Bitch.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able I love how you purposefully feign ignorance and only cut and paste what you wish to respond to
Age doesn't matter, PERFORMANCE DOES. And B-Hop's performances leading into Calzaghe saw him taking a safety first approach, edging rounds, a much slower and more methodical, less physically taxing style.
Younger Bernard would unleash hellacious combos that would last for minutes.
Jeff was a paper champ who never fought anybody. He was a prospect, nothing more.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@opera123able I mean look at Dana Rosenblatt.
Retired 37-1, wins over Terry Norris, Howard Davis Jr, Vinny Pazienza, and even over Calzaghe opponents Pat Lawlor and Will McIntyre. Retired virtually undefeated.
Do you consider him a legendary A Class fighter too? Of course not. He's just some bum who fought old guys and nobodies and was a neat little local fighter for people born near him to cling to.
Like Joe.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
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Dana Rosenblatt - LOLLL - you have gone into overdrive of talking shit.
I've never heard of Dana,but he only fought b to c class people, only briefly held IB and WBU titles.
Joe held WBO for 11 years, and unified with IBF, WBC, WBA, Ring Magazine Super middle and RIng Magazine Light heavy and retire unbeaton. - B class opponants and Journeymen do NOT acheive those things, trust me.
Joe IS A class. B-Hop is A class, and up until 2004 Roy Jones Jr was A class.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able It's not like Jeff was a tremendous talent who had amazing footwork and head movement and astounding technical precision. He was just an idiot with a heavy punch.
And Joe had performed SO HORRIBLY against shit tier opponents that it was a no brainer. Of course this power puncher is gonna destroy a dork who can barely beat Kabary Salem (who??)
Joe held a fake title and DEFENDED AGAINST ABSOLUTE NOBODY BUMS THAT WERE C LEVEL AT THEIR VERY BEST
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 People were raving about Jeff pre Calzaghe fight, as he was a 5 times defending IBF champ, and being tipped as a future star. It was Joe who took that mantle from him and unified all the belts at 2 weights.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able You don't get to call yourself A class when you don't beat A class fighters.
B-Hop was the best he ever faced, and it was the worst Joe ever looked. Joe's fans would have you think he's a technical wizard with lightning speed and he hits like a truck.
That night he was dropped, desperately flailed around, slapped, did absolutely no damage at any point, and was given a boxing lesson by a 43 year old B-Hop, signifying where Calzaghe stands in history.
B fighter
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 B-Hop's negative, cheating tactics prevented Joe from looking at his best. Credit to B-Hop for making it competitive, but he never had the real talent. Thats why he lost 5 times when it really mattered. He even lost his debut to a BUM - LOL. You rave on about B-Hop like you would think he's Pele, Muhamed Ali, Michael Jordan, Usain Bolt or some other world sporting icon, instead of the little backstreet, Philidelphia prison slag that he is, and your his little bitch.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able AHAHAHHAHA saying B-Hop never had talent
what a joke. Calzaghe's technique is laughable. Hopkins lost a couple split decision robberies in his 40s, when your fag hero rushed to retirement to duck a rematch with him, and you act like that means anything
ROFL
Joe the sheltered fraud eurobum
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 He didn't-he lost to Roy Jones Jr badly when they were both at their peaks and he lost his debut against a nobody bum. B-Hop is nothing special
lb for lb Lennox Lewis is far superior to B-Hop. Lennox avenged his 2 defeats- one within 6 months and the other within 2 1/2 years (although its not Lennox's fault that Mccall was on drugs withdrawel, but Mccall's victory was a total fluke anyway).
B-Hop has 4 unavenged defeats, and he waited 17 years before facing Roy Jones Jr again.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able He didn't lose badly to Roy Jones, he lost an 8 round to 4 round decision in the best fight anyone had given prime Roy. B-Hop had still yet to hit his prime at the time.
Calzaghe lost 10 times in the amateurs. B-Hop never had an amateur career. He had to learn on the job. He was out of condition, got tired, and lost a Majority Decision to another guy who was just debuting, meaning 1 judge scored it a draw.
AHAHHAHA Lennox is a bum. B-Hop never been KO'd.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Thats because B-Hop & Calzaghe are middle to light heavy, where the punches are not as potent, and Lennox is fighting at 16 to 18 stone weight. One punch from a heavyweight can stop anyone. Lennox was up at 7 seconds against McCall and wanted to continue, so it was a TKO
You've always got an excuse for B-Hop, always. You always say he either had not reached his peak, or had passed his peak, or had a conditions of some sort, or the judges screwed him, or it was an off day etc etc.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able B-Hop was chasing Roy in 2002 for a rematch. Roy refused to fight unless he got a 60-40 split of the purse, effectively ducking the rematch.
But at least they eventually had it, unlike pussyboy Joe who never rematched anyone except bum Mario Veit who he TKO'd in 1 round. LMFAO what a scared bitch.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Joe beat everyone, and there were never any calls for him to re-matches.
After beating Richie Woodhall in 2000, he should have gone straight after the biggest names possible that he could, or at least do everything he could to unify as many of the other belts at that point. He wasn't ready for Hopkins, Jones Jr and James Tony in the 90's, but I agree he should have been aiming for the big gus much earlier.
Lennox Lewis wanted the big fights from 1993 -1998, but politics denied him
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Joe got beat by Reid and Hopkins, and 10 others in the amateurs, and he never rematched any of them.
But he DID rematch nobody bum Mario Veit who he TKO'd first round. LOL, what a sissy.
Lennox got dropped by bums. And Lennox was only any good because he was trained by north americans.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 I would describeMccall and Rahman as B-Class fguys who got lucky against an arrogant, unfocused Lewis, If Lewis can beat Bowe in the Olympic final, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Holyfield twice, Tyson (even in 2002), Tua, Tucker and Razor Ruddock & Vitali (when Lennox was out of shape) in the way he did,then he certainly should not have lost to Rahman or Mccall, Lennox was carless
I did'nt see Joe beat Reid, but 2 judges thought he won. I've already won the B-Hop debate & Joe beat him.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able HAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAAH NOW YOUR JOKE ASS IS ADMITTING YOU DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE REID FIGHT
HAHAHHAHAHAHA YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN MOST OF YOUR BUM HERO'S CAREER
YOU LITERALLY ARE ONE OF THOSE RETARDS WHO ONLY SAW LACY, KESSLER, JONES, HOPKINS, AND EUBANK FIGHTS, BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH
Thank you. You just illustrated your cluelessness.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
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Ref. Robin Reid I will have to watch it somtime on Youtube. The scorecards have the two USA Judges for Calzaghe 116-111, and one of those Judges is called Robert Byrd - husband of Adalaide Byrd who gave B-Hop 114-113 v Joe.
The British Judge gave it 116-111 for Robin.
Joe broke his hand in round 4 which is definatley true, and food poisoning. The fact that Joe managed to convince 2 USA Judges to both score the fight 116-111 with a broken hand and when he is ill is pretty good.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able Joe didn't break his hand, there was NO bone break or ligament damage or anything.
After the fight his hand was swollen. That was the ONLY damage.
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 Ok but his hand was definatley damaged and hurting from the 4th round onwards, and he was not feeling well either.
To still manage to convince 2 completeley impartial, USA judges who both scored the bout exactly the same 116-111 against a former WBC champ still in his prime is not bad when you've got a sore hand and feeling ill
I will watch the fight when I get round to it, and I will score it as fairly and accuratley as I can, just like I did with the B-Hop fight.
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able What other fights haven't you seen? The other 40 of his career?
His first 25 or so fights are complete jokes, to the point that the commentators by the end of it are disgusted, going "Ugh, taking so many fights at this level does nothing for you, you have to step up sometime"
Story of Joe's career. "You have to step up sometime", no wait, keep putting it off, I can fight nobody bums for a few more years and pad my dog shit record and go down as a B fighter!
pearcemark2 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 The only Calzaghe fights I have seen are: Eubank, Woodhall, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, Manfredo, Hopkins & Jones Junior. I will get round ot watching his fight with Reid, which I suspect will be similar to the Hopkins fight.
I will score it as accuratley and fairly as I can when I do watch it, and I wont be biased for Joe, but fair.
I think my assessment of Joe's fight against B-Hop was fair dont you agree? - i.e. 6 clear rounds for Joe, 3 clear rounds for B-Hop and 3 very close rounds
opera123able 4 weeks ago
@opera123able It's fair in that you're agreeing Joe lost.
As expected, you only watched his highlight fights, like 99% of Joe fans. And even in those highlights you got 4 old fighters and nobody club fighter Manfredo
It's funny though, in the Woodhall fight, the commentators are talking about a possible match with Roy Jones and keep saying "His defense isn't good enough, he keeps eating that right hand, Roy will marmelize him if he performs like that."
pearcemark2 4 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I didn't say Joe lost OR won, I simply said, and I'll repeat it so you'll understand this time, Joe clearly won 6, B-Hop clearly won 3, and there were 3 other very close rounds. My own personal opinion when scoring a fight with a few very close rounds is that its unfair to give ALL 3 rounds one way or another. Thats why on my scorecard Joe wins it by a couple of points (i.e. 115-113)
I think Joe was certainly ready for Jones Jr in 2002-2003, possibly 2001 but no earlier.
opera123able 4 weeks ago
@opera123able If they're close rounds, you can justify them going either way. It's not about being "fair", it's not like "Oh I give you a point now I have to give the other guy a point", that's not how scoring works.
2 men fight for 3 minutes. At the end of 3 minutes, you determine who landed more hard clean crisp effective punches. In those close rounds, B-Hop landed cleaner harder punches. Joe's punches are so weak you can barely score them when they did rarely land.
pearcemark2 4 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 A close round is a close round that could go either-you said it. Therefore you could argue on that basis that rounds 4,10 & 12 (i.e. the close ones) could all go for Joe. I actually disagree with that, because they were VERY close in every sense.
The round that B-Hop clearly landed ' cleaner harder punches' were rounds 1 to 3, but rounds 4,10 & 12 were VERY tight.
Everyone in boxing knows that judges are inclined to try and split very tight rounds evenly, or score them even.
opera123able 4 weeks ago
@opera123able I'm only arguing in your hypothetical world where there were 3 close rounds
In my world, B-Hop won a clear 6 and won a clear UD.
pearcemark2 4 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 Its not my 'hypothetical world', its the real world.
Judge Gimza scored 4 to B-Hop but 10 & 12 for Joe. Giampa scored 4,10 & 12 all for Joe, & Byrd scored rounds 4 & 12 both for Joe & gave 10 to B-Hop.
The judge who gave B-Hop the fight has given 2 of those 3 rounds to Joe! - You seem to disagree with everyone
I still say that all 3 rounds were extremely close, and could all be scored even (although the sanctioning bodies have always discouraged judges from scoring rounds even)
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able Joe got stomped like the sissy he is.
Struggled with Reid and Brewer, dropped and rocked by Salem and Byron Mitchell, dropped by the corpse of Roy Jones, and got beat by 43 year old B-Hop.
But you think he would compete with prime Roy. Struggled to get anything done against Reid and Salem, but you think he could've even came close to competing with Roy.
LMFAO
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 Joe beat B-Hop by SD = 116-111, 115-112, 113-114 = FACT, and there's no denying it or changing it, its on the records forever more - end of story. Joe is also 46-0 = FACT, forever and a day. It doesn't matter how much you bitch and snipe, its a fact. Joe also was WBO champ for 11 years, and unified the IBF, WBC, WBA, RING MAGAZINE and he was a two weight RING MAGAZINE UNDISPUTED CHAMP = FACT, AND THE RECORDS WILL STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER AND A DAY
It matters not how much you bitch
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able Sven Ottke retired undefeated too.
He's a joke and a fraud and a bum too.
You can desperately hold onto your 1 fraud bum that you enjoy, but you haven't watched 1/5th of his shit career so your opinion doesn't really matter.
You haven't had to suffer through the Starie fight, the Thornberry fight, the Salem fight, the Ashira fight, and all the other pathetic displays of him fighting nobody C level bums to pad his awful record.
History shows he's a joke.
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I'm sure that Calzaghe had his fair share of bums, and like I say I am disappointed that he didn't fight James Toney & B-Hop in the late 90's and then Roy Jones between 2001 - 2003.
Most great boxers go throught their fair share of B & C class opponants - look at Tyson between 1985 - 1991, his record his stewen with bums and b-c class no-bodies, and yet people rave about Tyson from that era as if he was untouchable, which Buster Douglas and Tony Tucker proved he was beatable.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able Right. Tyson never beat a fellow prime young badass in his own prime. He fought a lot of ehh guys and old men, then he gave up trying and got brutally stomped by Buster, Evander, Lennox, and even some nameless bums at the very end.
And he ducked old man Foreman in 91 because he was terrified of getting his head ripped off. He's a boxing historian, he knew that was a bad style matchup for him and wanted nothing to do with getting smashed by a 40 year old.
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 Amazing-we nearly agreed on somthing! - I do respect Tyson 1985 - 1991, but I genuinely beleive he would always struggle against Prime Lewis and Prime Holyfield, because they were simply better than anyone else Tyson fought in his own prime. Tony Tucker foguht Tyson in 1987 at Tyson's boiling point zenith, and Tucker went the distance, competed well and hurt Tyson -yet Tucker had a broken right hand, little prep time and a coke habit
Prime Lewis would have thus beaton Tyson in 1987
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 Amazing-we nearly agreed on somthing! - I do respect Tyson 1985 - 1991, but I genuinely beleive he would always struggle against Prime Lewis and Prime Holyfield, because they were simply better than anyone else Tyson fought in his own prime. Tony Tucker foguht Tyson in 1987 at Tyson's boiling point zenith, and Tucker went the distance, competed well and hurt Tyson -yet Tucker had a broken right hand, little prep time and a coke habit
Prime Lewis would have thus beaton Tyson in 1987
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able I'm in the middle of rewatching Joe's title reign again and I just got to the Byron Mitchell fight last night.
That's 7 years in. Shopworn Eubank, Split Decision to Reid, end of the road Woodhall, past his sell date Brewer, and freshly-outpointed-by-Ottke Byron were his best opponents at that point. Reid was the livest euro opponent, gave Joe hell. Brewer was weight drained and glass chinned, and he forced Joe into a brutal 12 round war of attrition.
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
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@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
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@pearcemark2 I still think Joe's victory against 31 year old Eubank deserves respect. Joe was only 25 but had fought no decent names, so to beat Chris Eubank by such a wide margin deserves some credit.
31 is not old at all considering what Joe himself was doing at 36 and the level B-Hop has remained at in his 40's, let alone his 30's.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able Mitchell put him on his ass, and Joe proceeded to drop and finish him the same round which was impressive, but immediately after the fight Joe says he wants to unify the belts or have a big fight with Hopkins.....IN WALES.
The commentators were saying "He has to go to america and capitalize", and the first opportunity he gets he talks about getting Hopkins to Wales, which is the same as saying "Nah I don't want the fight that bad, just give me Mger Mkrtychian"
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I agree its disapointing that Joe didn't fight B-Hop and James Toney in the late 90's or early 00's.
I really cant comment on why those fights never happened as I thought Joe Calzaghe was a second rate champ back in those days and didn't follow his career at all. I admit I only started respecting Joe after he destroyed Lacy and ripped the IBF title from him.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able But yeah, I've also been rewatching Ottke's career and that's given a smidge more respect for Joe.
I honestly think it took Joe watching Ottke retire and seeing how the rest of the world viewed him as a coward bum who never left home or fought any big fights, to finally decide he wants to test himself and take on Lacy.
If Ottke had stuck around, Joe probably would have continued that easy path of fighting 2 WBO mandatory's a year and then retiring like Sven did.
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I think Joe's victory over Kessler is the key one really, no one can criticise a man who unifies WBC, WBA, WBO IBF and Ring Magazine againt an unbeaton Kessler who was at his absolute peak. Joe was brave to take on Kessler and I think Joe was brave to go over to the US to fight B-Hop.
I just wish he had been having those fights 5 years earlier - you'll have to ask Joe why those types of fights didn't happen before. Maybe he is a coward, but I dont personally beleive he was.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able My issue with Joe is that I can't pretend a guy who spent 2 years on the world level in a shallow division is in the same league as guys who are able to reign on top for 10 years and hold wins over other prime legendary fighters.
Like Lacy, he was hyped, but is he legendary? Nowhere near. Kessler is a tough solid fighter. Legendary? Maybe if you're a Dane.
Joe had a great career, but it's on the tier below the very top level where the truly exceptional exist.
pearcemark2 3 weeks ago
@pearcemark2 I know what you mean, and until Joe beat Lacy I never had any interest in him whatsoever. Prior to that win I had never seen him box, but I was amazed by how good he was against Lacy, and it did dawn on me in 2006 after he won the IBF that he was unbeaton in his career and had defended the WBO for 9 years straight - albeit not against the best.
After bearing Eubank, there was nothing wrong with Joe fighting Reid, Woodhall and Mitchell, but he needed a couple of big names also.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
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Daily Mail uk, I dont disagree with this review
'In the end, Calzaghe maintained his amazing record because of his fighting heart and refusal to accept defeat whatever the circumstances. His come-forward style clearly caught the judges' eyes as he kept up a relentless pace, landing more punches on Hopkins than any other fighter had achieved, even if few of them were damaging or hurtful. Many of the rounds were so close they were hard to score, leaving room for doubt at the end'
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2
Eastside Boxing
By Anthony Coleman:First of all lets get something out of the way: yes Saturday night’s Light Heavyweight title fight between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins was boring and ugly
'Calzaghe was able to soldier on and land enough of his punches, to earn the victory..Even though Calzaghe landed the most punches on the modern day “Old Master” than any fighter before him, the man still had a hard time..you can make a strong case for him being the Number 1 fighter p4p'
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 ESPN Report of Calzaghe v Hopkins
'But Calzaghe has always been a winner (still is)....Even going up against Hopkins' murderer's row of trainers -- Freddie Roach, former champion John David Jackson, Nazim Richardson and fitness guru Mackie Shilstone -- they still couldn't be beat.
Somewhere in the middle rounds that undefeated mark must have entered Calzaghe's head and that champion's heart went into overdrive. He turned things around and dominated the late rounds'
opera123able 1 month ago
@pearcemark2 If you want to see a real boxing judging travesty then go and see Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield's first fight in March 1999. The reaction ALL AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD was of utter disgust, even Holyfield own fans admitted that Lewis should have got the decision.
If Hopkins had of been truly robbed like Lewis was then the reaction would have been the same, but no one reacted because 90% of people know for a fact that Joe won clearly. The only person who kicked up a fuss was Hopkins
opera123able 1 month ago
@opera123able A split decision against a 43 year old man with a thyroid condition who spent his career at middleweight and was coming off 2 years of relative inactivity, is not a clear win by any stretch of the imagination.
It's the mark of a B fighter. The Hector Camacho and Iran Barkley's of the world, okay fighters but by no means greats who beat Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray- all past their best of course.
Joe The B Fighter Bumzaghe
pearcemark2 1 month ago
ya shit *camera cuts out* hahaha what was going on
DzekoSucks 1 month ago
I think we now all know what's inside the mind of a judge. Donuts and vodka.
supsterjr 1 month ago
the judge is a stand alone judge
Pedenergy 1 month ago
and boom goes the dynamite
BajingoESB 1 month ago
0:34 ya shit!
MrAcec1231 1 month ago
The one shobox i miss. I thought it was Saturday night and i'm pretty sure that's what it said on their schedule
gtaIV7 1 month ago
@gtaIV7 ShoBox is almost always on Fridays. Too bad you missed it dude, some good stuff and some crap production by Show
SamLangford1 1 month ago
@SamLangford1 damn maybe i can catch it on demand but it's just not the same. i can't see chuck mess up on his debut lol
gtaIV7 1 month ago
He didn't get nervous. They had a set speech for him, and obviously they messed up his teleprompter. You can see him trying to read it. I feel bad for Chuck, but that's what happens in this day and age when everything is scripted. He should have just started improvising for a second and kicked it back to Al Bernstein.
mbase1235 1 month ago
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mbase1235 1 month ago
ahhh shit
hermesc111 1 month ago
NICE
hermesc111 1 month ago
ahahaha
StephenBoBeffin 1 month ago
The look of failure on his face like he poped his pants and the "Oh shit", this gotta be the funniest bit ever.
AvivB8 1 month ago
haha
BajingoESB 1 month ago
Embarrassing but you have to admit, you've been there before. I know exactly how that feels when I made my first speech in a college speech class.
blindthief 1 month ago
BAHAHAHAHAHHA OMG #ShowboxFail SHIT
OGBluemercury1 1 month ago
is ass got nervous
TheGambledog 1 month ago