The Anthropic Principle and the Coincidence of Me - Part 2

[breaneainn]

I have no formal education in regards to philosophy or psychology. I do, however have a degree in the fine arts, and am a "chef" by trade only. I subscribe to "New Scientist" and modestly consider myself an armchair physicist....so I can speak french, but not calculus. That's why I can map abstractions..even if they are persistant logical conflicts, and see the forest,not the trees. there's always a solution, and always a context, and always a third option.

peace bro.

[Gnug215]

@breaneainn That's the kind of thinking that more people should learn, really, but can they?

But yeah, my new video (finished editing) deals a bit with that stuff. The problems of different minds is at the core of the debate.

[breaneainn]

What worries me the most, is viral ideas or "memes", like a logical trojan for the mind. They survive because they slip under the radar via evolution, and get passed down the generations. As they stand they have no merit on logical terms, all they have is brute force and cunning. Logical weeds...dumb ideas that persist.

[breaneainn]

There are two "symmetries" or "directions" to human perception. One goes from the centre out, the other from out back in. This is the root of all conflict. By default we think in linear terms, most often on the railroad of time. Following the track of scale from small to large, or the track of data from simple to complex are just as astonishingly natural.

[Gnug215]

@breaneainn It's funny you should mention this, as my next video (which has been recorded, only need to edit it) is very relevant, I think.

Of course, I don't have an education in psychology or philosophy, but I'm hoping I can at least present some interesting thoughts. I should have the video up soon, and I hope you'll see it. :)

[breaneainn]

..humans coming about by random chance..

I watched this video for 1.5 seconds, then made this comment.

2 mins tops. That's all it's worth.

[Gnug215]

@breaneainn Uhm, well, hopefully you were able to surmise, that the "humans coming about by random chance" argument is one that I'm criticising, not espousing.

So, did you misunderstand what I was getting at, or have I misunderstood your comment?

[breaneainn]

@Gnu G215 my bad. I did 1.5 seconds. I'll watch the whole vid and come back. I automatically react to youtube videos that contain tired old arguments regardless of the context.

The fundamental standpoint is my concern, not the controversy.

[Gnug215]

@breaneainn I know what you mean. I disdain the old tired arguments, which is why I want to make sure that they have been exhaustively refuted, so we can forget them and move on to other vids. Something like that. I know it won't always work. :)

[2411rosalia]

I knew somebody as ignorant as me (I only Know that I don" know anything) will caught your attention, specially from people like you that actually knows everything.

Well, yes, she was wise and very funny, she said we shouldn't try to disecct God and his creation, we are just soooo tiny creatures with a big big inflated heads. Time has passed and everytime they "discover"something like: Darwin theory? pase, questionable, hmmmm? I remember her WISE words!

[Gnug215]

@2411rosalia Clearly, you totally missed the point and message of the video - then went on to blurt nonsensical drivel in the comment section. Way to go. Now, where on earth did I claim to know everything? Thanks for the insult, btw.

And no, let's not try to "dissect God and his creation", right? No, let's instead sit blindly in the dark. Let's die from simple diseases. Let's die from food shortages. Let's not go online and share ideas.

The rest of your post makes even less sense, so...

[2411rosalia]

MY GRANDMOTHER WAS WISE! SHE WOULD HAVE SAID: YOU DONT HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO? OR IM SIMPLE ENGLISH: SHUT UP!

[Gnug215]

@2411rosalia And I'm sure your grandmother would have said exactly that about your comment. What a totally useless contribution. I suppose it's because you have nothing constructive to say, and you have no idea to argue your own position?

All caps, too, as if you know that your "point" is so pointless that you need to yell it for it to be heard. What an utterly pathetic comment.

[fairiebee]

I LOVE Curious George!!!

[ixovicki]

lol im paying too much attention to the pictures other than what your saying

[Gnug215]

@ixovicki

Hehe, I know, it can be quite the distraction, but I did want people to have something nice to look at while I babble on.

You could always play it again, and not look at the screen this time! :)

[Gnug215]

I actually made sense of something?

:)

I'm glad that you enjoyed it, and I'm even more glad that I managed to explain it in a way that helped you understand it.

With regards to your friend, I suppose there are some things you could try to make him aware of. Among other how little percentage of the universe actually is habitable for people. (We can't live on the oceans, so that already rules out two thirds of Earth alone).

Thanks for your post. :)

[beeto45]

this guy sounds like edward current

[Gnug215]

What? Who? Where?

[MrDublin56]

we anthropomorphise our fellow mammals the easier to empathise with them. we do the same with our gods and universe,to empathise with ourselves. thanks for the great vid,Gnug215 I enjoyed it very much.

[Gnug215]

Indeed, and we have a number of other psychological mechanisms for coping and other things that I feel clearly demonstrate how religion is purely something that happens in the minds of humans and not anywhere else.

Thanks for the comment. :)

[BruceGiron]

What about information? What is it? Does it exist if there is absolutely no life? Those kids in Africa??? Get the point. You must adhere to interrelationships otherwise I would qualify you as a smart person

[Cyrathil]

"And this is six people in the coincidence of me". Actually, it's almost a much greater number of that... You have to take into account the number and quality of friends of your parents( which is a very improbable thing in itself...) , not counting the events that your parents went through. Huzzah! I'm more improbable than the universe!

[Gnug215]

You're absolutely right. The numbers are staggering.

But as I said to a creationist recently, even in the lottery SOMEone has to win.

It's weird that they can't see this. But I suppose it's not something you'd think about in your daily life.

But yeah, you're too improbable to exist! Nice going! :)

[fight4th3truth]

there's no point in your video but that's the point, there is none.

Well put !!!!!!

[Gnug215]

At least there is no automatically, a priori point that stems just from our assumed position of "unique, divine creations of God", looking at the rest of the universe from a central, elevated and unique position, as many theists will claim. Not only that; they base their entire view of the world and their philosophical outlook on that assumption, which is probably why it's often so hard to get through to them.

[jaywolfe82]

Excellent video! Good job.

[Gnug215]

Thanks a lot. :)

[harshm2u]

That was a simply fantastic video, man! I enjoyed it a lot. Waitin' to see more...

[Gnug215]

Thanks. :)

Should be a new vid coming up really soon. Although not entirely like this one, I'm afraid.

[BruceSpringsteeen]

Brilliant videos. Keep up the fantastic work! :)

[Gnug215]

Thanks, I'll try. :)

The next vids I'll be making might not be as philosophical (see: incoherent) in nature as this one, but I hope they'll be to your tastes anyway.

We'll see. :)

[aieak22]

Once again. Great Video! keep up the good work!

[Gnug215]

Hehe, thanks. I hope it made some sense. :)

[kekzzzz]

excellent video!

[Gnug215]

Thanks. :)

[TachiRdiesDirty]

been looking forward to this one!

[Gnug215]

Hehe, well then, how was it? :)

I'm thinking I was a bit all over the place, but it dawned on me while making this vid how hard something like is to explain, and you start using all kinds of analogies and metaphors to convey the message, but it just doesn't seem to quite get there.

[TachiRdiesDirty]

it is better than fine gnug, and if you doubt that you are your own worst critic. :)

[Gnug215]

Oh, I doubt it alright!

I probably am my own worst critic, but that's not so bad. Then at least I'm the best at something in my life! ;)

Well, I'm not sure if this video fulfills the purpose that I intended, but I'm actually already gathering ideas for a continuation of this subject, so this might not be the end of it. However, I think I have some vids I want to do before returning to this.

Thanks! :)

[ChangePerTime]

Nice.

[Gnug215]

Thanks. :)