I believe a Wizard did it. Can we discuss on college campuses how a wizard created it all and designed the universe? I hope so because I like the freedom of speech
@walkonking It was not done by a wizard. The universe was created by a cosmic teddy bear high on LSD. This is what I believe. My beliefs (which are totally unproven) deserve to be discussed and taught in high school and college campuses.
I believe in stork theory. If you don't believe me then you're stifling my free speech. I demand my legislature immediately endorse teaching stork theory in 6th grade health class as an alternative to sexual reproduction. Do NOT oppress me or I will make a movie to reveal your attempt to silence me! Sexual reproduction doesn't explain the origins of black holes and dark matter and you atheist scum know it! Storks are real!
@Ripley747, being a Bird lover, I could not agree more, I too have known the true word of the Stork all my life, the part you may not know is that "THE"Stork (God) did not come from an egg, but from a devine imaculate conception of the Holy Flying Spageti Moster Mother, just had to share the word with you.
@Ripley747 Ripley, you hit the nail on the head. Obama: "I dont think science is compatible with the christian faith".... Bout fell outta my chair...that was so true & so funny Barak...2 thumbs up to you for that one !!!
ben stein is a lawyer what does that tell you. i can not believe he pedals this stuff. how on earth has he got airtime on a news channel. never would happen in the uk. Albert Einstein never believed in a personal god and certainly never expressed believe in a christen one. evolution is about one of the most proved theory we have about just about anything.
The person that made the video is an arrogant piece of crap, thats a fact. Why? For promoting hate against religious people and insulting them for their beliefs is WRONG! If you you can't see this basic fact your a piece of crap too.
@askegg Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me and thats exactly what it is Jr. an opinion not fact. Just a heads up to you, opinion is not fact no matter how many people believe it or agree with it or repeat it. Atheism assumes much without seeking truth and provable facts. Because of this fact, atheist theology and their theories are assumptions at best. Atheism is a lie, get over it.
@askegg They assume data constantly for their "scientific theories" the whole thought process they go through for their theories are flawed. They assume information based off of nothing other then wild imaginings. I know I research your theories all the time, evolution, Darwin-ism, Dawkin-ism. These are your cult leaders of your atheist religions and you blindly follow.
@Lavere2009 "They assume data constantly for their "scientific theories" the whole thought process they go through for their theories are flawed. They"
Hello Pot, this is kettle. Ever hear of falsifiability? How could you falsify god?
"These are your cult leaders ...."
You're an idiot. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate your god is real. That's all.
@askegg I falsify nothing. The complexity of the laws and governing attributes of the universe is the evidence of a creator. You are ignorantly unable to grasp the obvious answer that a watch needs a watchmaker. The advanced dynamics of even the simplest of sub atomic particles working together to form complex atoms which in turn also forms the complex molecules and chemical bonds. This alone should stagger you, but again the complexity takes another leap into the realm of Amino acids and life.
@Lavere2009 and you are just as wrong to shout down anyone with an opposing view point. get over yourself and learn a little of the tolerance your magic book preaches.
@elilichtenberg You speak your opinions and insults and try to dictate that I should show tolerance while a video spreads hatred and insults and shows none. Then you dare to act as a hypocrite while attempting to dominate my opinions when you clearly practice no tolerance of my viewpoints,who do you think you are? Go away Nazi thought police wanna be, I do not tolerate your kind of ill manners, this is a free thought zone.
@gregrutz Greg, I dont get them either. Ben Stein is without doubt an intelligent man. So, how can he make such silly and untrue statements? Either he is lying to others AND himself or he is delusional.
Whomever made all the aggressive notes on the white is taking Stein out of context. Ben never says he doesn't believe in evolution. He says there are holes in the theory, not he doesn't believe it is a reasonable explanation for one part of the big picture. "Darwinism" doesn't explain the beginning. Ben is saying that he finds God to be the logical answer and wants the same right to teach that as the "scientists" get. I find the commentator immature and frankly, I question their sobriety.
@mack2d2 "Darwinism" (which not not evolution) does not encompass universal origins, abiogenesis, chemistry, cosmology, etc. You are attacking a straw man.
@askegg actually, I'm not attacking anyone in my comment genius. I'm simply pointing out that Stein is being taken out of context while the 'maker' of this video attacks him.
What would be impressive evidence for intelligent design, would be numerical sequences in genomes.
For example, if we found prime number sequences of nucleotides, or sequences of perfect numbers, then this would be very good evidence.
But no one has ever found this.
Evolution does have something to offer abiogenesis. Natural selection acted on populations of self replicating molecules, as it does on species as well.
I think the commentator who wrote those comments misunderstood whole topic. Ben Stein does not contradict himself. Its only problem of definitions of words. Secondly those arguments against God are out of the main topic. By the way they are weak. Untill scientist will made life out of nonliving matter EVOLUTION is only express of faith as good as for example politeistic religions
@lachanonim "Untill scientist will made life out of nonliving matter EVOLUTION is only express of faith ..."
Let me fix this for you: Until scientists can make life out of non-living matter, then ABIOGENESIS may not be true. The best anyone can say until then is "I don't know".
@askegg i respect you and thank you for trying to prove your point without using fowl language but enough about that...so what if i'm wrong? then what?.. i lived a happy life and i did what i thought was right.....but what if you're wrong...and you die...then what....
@askegg i don't understand why you attack creationists, and " there's no proof about an intelligent designer"? ....there's no proof of there not being one....listen buddy i'll pray for you..goodbye
@mojo7x7 You cannot prove a negative, which is why we don't even attempt to. You cannot prove Zeus or Vishnu do not exist, will you believe in them as well, just in case?
Pray all you like - it does not bother me in the slightest.
@dougmoerhoffman 1) If you saw the text, you watched the video. 2) You commented about the comments, so you watched the video. 3) You JUST ADMITTED you watched the video. QED No wonder you believe in a God - you cannot reason beyond the obvious.
@jdelarosa1989 Since god is a thing, then by your logic he must have come from somewhere and you have an infinite regress on your hands. If not, then your premise is wrong and the argument fails.
What you all are missing is that when Conservatism was in power in all Universities, students were taught both sides of the argument, theories, philosophies, etc. But now that Liberalism has taken over the Universities, they do not allow the other side to be taught to students ...
Wake up people and stop believing every damn thing you here from the government ran scientific community with an agenda to remove God and the idea of intelligent design from the realm of humanity...
@sek3009 There IS no other side to the debate. If you could produce some evidence that ID actually explains the facts, then let's see it. And no, saying "it looks complex therefore it is designed" is NOT evidence, rational, or even an argument.
@askegg lol, that statement is completely illogical... There is always two sides to any debate, therefore you are the stubborn unreasonable ignorant prick who refuses to even hear of the other side of the debate. I've heard evolution all my life, but growing up Christian, I always saw another side... You won't even consider it for debate. The most complex things like DNA and the CELL for God's sake show design in every facet, as well as the ENTIRE universe.
@sek3009 There IS no argument if all the facts are on one side. Should we present the "theory" that the pyramids were built by aliens, or Satan planted fossils to test our faith? The idea is absurd.
Oh - and I warned you against trying the "things look complex" argument. By that logic, if your God is AT ALL complex he MUST be designed. Only things which do not exist have no complexity. Nice going - you disproved God.
Not in this case! Creation is simply not an option. If there was evidence to support it, other than, "I don't know how it could have happened so it must be god." That is not evidence.
Evolution has hundreds of peer reviewed articles, even awards...Creation has none!! And wishful thinking will not change that.
@askegg And the fact that everything came from nothing is the most irrational statement ever spoken. It CANNOT happen. And don't say where did God come from, because God by definition means eternal. Always was, is, and will be... Self-existence is different that self-creation. The FACT is, is that everything from the smallest things, the atom and cell, to the largest thing, the universe shows unimaginable complexity and design. The laws of the universe, they couldn't have just "appeared" either
@askegg So I ask, why is it that ridiculous for a biologist, for example, to say, "wow, this stuff we are looking at is unimaginably complex and works in patterns that show complex design?" Why are you so angry, is it because you know there is another side to the argument, and that any self-respecting scientist of any field will say, you know there's a lot of really complex, interesting stuff that can only be explained through intelligent design...
No, you'd like 2 conclude that it's designed. Unfortunately, u don't know the process & have no comprehension of actually how long it takes 4 these changes 2 take place.
U ppl think man was created fully formed in about 6K yrs?? Sorry, but that's simply not true! What u should really do is go to; talkorigins . org. Go there and learn how Evolution works. Learn why we don't need fossils to prove Evolution. DNA alone proves it. Anyway, learn 1st before U attempt to debate the subject!
@askegg If things just appeared from nothing, where did the information come from? You have to have intent, prior to content, meaning a creator/designer placed information into the DNA, and designed all the parts and put everything into existence... There is no chance, chance means nothing... chance has no power, no being... it is just a word to make atheists/evolutionists feel better. Talk about living a life of fear where if the idea of an intelligent designer is mentioned you freak out...
@askegg I'm not worried, God loves everyone. You just don't truly understand the Bible, instead you probably only read the Old Testament which has its interpretations of some things that happened that were extreme, but God has his plans. You obviously do not see the prophetic scheme throughout the entire bible...read the NT before you start hating on God. God's intent for creation is also in the bible, try reading. Open your eyes and look at the incredible jaw dropping design/complexity
It's always interesting to hear the same apologetics, and all the schooling you try to give us about how to study & understand scripture! All of this from a person who thinks they are so wise...but know so little!
I've studied the OT, NT, the Tanahk/Torah, Septuagint, L.Vulgate, Apocryphal books, Forbidden Books of the bible, and now, the Ugaritic Texts. That last one will expose the roots of Judaism. When U see that, you'll understand it all. Not you though. You're in deep denial!
God loves everyone?? U mean the Xian god of the bible??
The OT god, Yahweh, was a tyrannical, mass murdering Sociopath! There's no doubt about that. When we look at jesus, at 1st we think god has made a major change! But then, he's not supposed to change. When we realize that he plans to send most of us to hell, we see he hasn't changed at all! And people like U accept and praise such a monster. You've lost your decency & humanity if u don't see what's wrong in all that.
I've never known anyone (other than Xians) who believe everything came from nothing! A singularity id everything, just in a different from!
Where do you people get all this BS? That's the problem, you actually think you know something...and you don't! Is this the tripe you get from your Creationist websites? How does it feel to have your own fellow Xians lie to you & insult your intelligence?? They'll even admit it, if you press them long & hard enough!
@sek3009 "... the fact that everything came from nothing is the most irrational statement ever spoken"
Indeed, which is why I do not believe this to be the case. You however think a being spoke words and everything popped into existence from NOWHERE. Now your telling me it's impossible. Nice going, you disproved God again.
Also, IF the universe was designed then look at the implications.
Gov. run scientific community??? An agenda to remove god...??? Now I see where you're coming from.
U say you've heard of Evolution all your life, but have you ever studied it? Do you understand it? I say no, bcuz if u did, you wouldn't be making this argument!
It's not political, but about evidence & rational thinking. You are claiming "god did it." So prove it! At least provide some evidence! U can't, and that's just one reason why ID & Creationism doesn't work. Evolution is a fact!
@Cootabux There is no evidence for evolution. Fossils are in the ground everywhere- shows evidence for a world wide flood. Fossil layers do not exist, the ground settle in the way the elements of dirt would in a jar... True science has shown that the tree of life dramatically went from a ton of animals down to a few that we see today- more evidence of a flood. If you want to get into things such as morality, absolute truth, and scientific laws...those would be even more evidence for ID
So 98% of the scientists worldwide are wrong? Our Agriculture is built on Evolution, but they wrong too? And I guess biology, which is also dependent on Evolution is also wrong?
Then explain atavistic dna! Why is it that we develop tails in the early embryonic stage! About 100 cases today exist of people who were born with their tails! Fact!
Explain vestigial organs, such as nictitating eye membranes that humans have which is now dormant, but present?
We have methods to determine that the flood never occurred. Core samples from the ocean bottom, ice core samples from the poles, dating methods which are highly accurate, even tree ring samples going back at least 10K yrs!
How would a wooden ark contain & care for Animal, plant, tree, Insect, and last but not least, sea mammals, from every part of the planet???
And btw, there are at least 2 Doz. transitional fossil forms between man & lower primate!
No, science does not provide answers as to how everything got started; but just because it doesn't does that mean I shlould believe that the Bible does. LOL....the only thing the Bible really demonstrates is how angry, volatile, hateful and petty God is. Am I really expected to believe that all that metaphor and allegorical garbage holds the answers. To accept the Bible would mean imposing an intellectual boycott on myself. I'm much too rational for that sh*t.
I am beginning to wonder if he thinks that alternatives to our history and math classes should be available as well.
Oh, and all our medical sciences have holes in their theories because germ theory doesn't teach alternatives or allow the possibility that it's really evil demons causing our ailments as opposed to germs and viruses... well, that and it doesn't explain where stars come from.
I've seen Ben Stein's sophomoric, infantile, crockumentary (not to be confused with a crocoduck.) Affirmative on the quote mining. They lied to Dawkins about the movie's intent, and he still made him sound stupid.
I would firmly be against any form of a national church in the U.S. whether it be Prebyterian, Baptist, Catholic, Pentacostal, Puritan, whatever Christian denomination even against the "church" of Darwinism that teaches and preaches evolution ( which I see taking over the U.S.)
I used to have some respect for Ben Stein as a mediocre actor and speechwriter.........but after watching this, I don't even consider him a functional human being.
I just have one problem with the video; "intelligent design". You write "if there is a designer, it is not intelligent" because there are things that make us die? So what you're saying is that what makes a designer intelligent is the fact that he keeps us alive for as long as possible? That doesn't make sense to me. Otherwise, keep up the good work, i really like your videos.
The problem is not that we die, it's we are not as well designed as we could be which is a problem for those proposing an omniscient being. For example, an optimal human would not share breathing and eating orifice which results in many of us choking to death each year. This means improvements to our design could be made, and we cannot have been designed perfectly.
Any christian will refute that argument by saying something like :"But if you do not know what we are designed for, how do you know if we're designed well or not?", and there is some truth in there. Because if you do not know the solution, how can you tell what the perfect equation is?
Then it is up to the Christian to demonstrate what we are designed for. Speaking to the example I gave, they should be able to demonstrate why separate breathing and eating orifice are not better suited to our purpose. It is also important to not that all of this difficult problems go away if we assume we were not designed, let alone by an omniscient (or even intelligent) being.
But in their religion (correct me if I'm wrong) they are not told what the purpose is, for only God knows. What's certain though (for them) is that there is a purpose for everything. And we are designed to align with that purpose. It's selffulfilling, considering, whatever we end up doing or whatever ends up happening to us, that will be "our purpose". Thus, I.D. supporters will always be right in their mind. Which sucks ass. But it does make your point senseless if directed towards Christians.
You are correct. Many theists claim purpose, so it is up to them to show what it is and demonstrate how they know this. Of course they do not, instead retreating to faith.
Not to mention why do we have an appendix? What self-respecting deity would stick one of those in there? Oh, of course, it might just be a vestigial organ left over from our plant-eating ancestors or possibly it was put there by God to help employ folks who remove 300,000 each year in the US alone.
The appendix actually helps with the immunity of our bodies. You remove it, you can still function, you have it, you're less likely to get diseases and sicknesses.
Now that is just insulting to Neanderthals everywhere! Jesus H, every day, people discuss God in Churched and other buildings which are assumed to house the holy everywhere. GO THERE!!!! Universities and classrooms are for learning, not preaching.
Now I know why Hiter wanted to kill ALL of them...every so often there's a 'prominent' & 'intellectual' Jew that comes out spewing the same old equality nonsense that still hasn't been proven. Of course not all Jews go against evolution, but all people that do go against evolution just so happen to be Jews.
There has to be a some sort of middleground where neither arguement is pushed and let the chips fall where they may, so that both sides can shut up.
As a proponent of evolution you must learn to not be so unintelligent as to assume that Jewish people are more or less creationists than any other person. By blatantly showing your disgust to a particular group, without evidence, are working with the same irrational belief that your said opponents are working with. You need is to say that it is irrational to suggest something supernatural as a cause of evolution. Both theists and nontheists accept evolution. Intelligence is separate from faith.
I don't like your commentary in this clip. Yes intelligent design and creationism are alike and yes darwinism and evolutionism are pretty much the same. But to insert your own ideas into a very clip a very bad decison. Please (if other people read this) keep your personal ideas in your own clips to yourself. Write a blog! I don't care!!! The idea that you think you are smart by posting all these ideas is absurd.
Hmm..lets see is McCain a scientist? is Obama? ...Oh man...Their benevolent or personal God...created some ignorant people...They don't know where life began..so they label it "god"....Yeah I don't know where my remote is..I KNOW!!..maybe God Took It!!
Darwinism is simply a mechanism fore intelligent design. You choke to death therefor you get voted out. I build and design things, goto church and i get voted in. If a girl sees that and she votes in My kids get voted in.
wow, put a spin on something you disagree with huh.
I gave you an example of some convincing evidence with Michael Behe's study of Irreducible Complexity; Its your choice to run around it.
again it is your opinion that you think all religion push dogma on people- thats like me saying that all evolutionist want to push their ideology and "hypothesis" on to people to "try" to come up with an excuse to not believe in a higher being than themselves. that is legalistic itself. we have a choice.
Whenever Mr Behe has presented what he thinks are irreducibly complex systems, people have demonstrated how these things may come about using entirely natural processes. So where are the complex systems again?
what he thinks? are you assuming things without looking it up yourself? the problem here mr egg is that you don't care if evidence was directly in your face; you will still deny it. YOU have an agenda in which you think is rational and necessary disregarding on someone else's opposing view.
my point is, regardless on any stand, if it come in any conflict to what you "believe" you don't care to hear anyone else out other than yourself-
I have seen Mr. Behe's examples and arguments. I know the arguments and they are weak. You project too much.
Behe basically asserts "things are complex and some cannot have arisen by chance or developed over times, therefore accept jesus into your heart of burn forever.". It's a pretty stupid argument.
You are countering my points and I am not hiding from them. Show me one irreducibly complex system.
apparently you didn't give it the time of day to understand since you made that little insert about Jesus and people burning forever which had nothing to do with the argument.
take a look at the reducible complexity of a mitochondrial molecular machine.
OK - let's leave Jesus (and all other deities) out of it for now - after all aliens are more likely anyway.
Let's say IC is valid - where does that get us? There is a designer. Great, now what?
Science does not yet know everything. If it did it would stop. Of course, every time a natural pathway for "IC" systems are demonstrated the places for the designer to hide shrinks.
I never said there absolute was not a designer - I just asked for evidence of one. I am open minded and will happily change my position if people can demonstrate their claims. It's the most reasonable position.
Of course (going from your name) you will simply assert this designer is Yahweh not one of the 1,000's of other gods to choose from.
again, this has nothing to do with religion. seems that your still backed up that this is regarding a "specific" religion. I just want you guys to be open minded of other's choice of study.
your asking for evidence for a designer- what do you want me to grab? some blueprints of earth with a name on it?
mr egg you will not be satisfied on something that isn't seen or measured to your standard.
all we can do is look at the facts of complex systems and see that it debunks random selection lol.
Also, you are free to use another system rather than rely on hypothesis and experimentally verified results but I rather think your life would be quite random using such an approach. You can believe in alchemy, astrology, and palm reading if you like - it is your choice. Just don't expect others to adopt your beliefs unless you can show they work.
First of all, irreducible complexity (if there is such a thing) is not a prediction of intelligent design - it is used to infer a designer as a possibility. Of course, explaining how things come about naturally annihilates the need for a designer at all.
how things came into existence screams out that there is a designer. And you saying otherwise is just a mere opinion and a direct difference of perspective.
Well, we have never seen anything pop into existence from nothing at all, which discounts most all versions of creationism.
I guess you are saying the fact we can predict the universe infers some intelligence instantiated those laws. However, the question of where the designer comes from is never addressed. At least be internally consistent and intellectually honest.
Who said anything about creationism? IF intelligent design is valid then it only shows there is a designer. The designer does not even need to be supernatural and certainly doesn't prove any one god or religion in particular.
whats wrong in believing that there was a creator? makes science more fun to look and wonder about.
oh, and thanks for the "irrational" judgment about what I believe- still doesn't disregard that your ideology is just out of a method of hypothesis and skepticism in denial of a "creator"
Believe in a creator if you like, but if you want to convince others present some decent evidence.
Science deals with what is real. It continually questions, tests, and revises. It works. It resulted in the computer you are now using for example. It does not deny a creator - indeed it would confirm one if it could, but there simply isn;t any evidence support one.
No one in science fears opinions either, they just accept the results. Religions have an agenda to push their dogma.
So your argument boils down to "if we can't find a way to explain the natural appearance of a system, it must have been designed, therefore communicating with a spirit will save your eternal soul from torture due to the rejection of an all loving god".
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God". Since you deny God before you look for him you lie when you say you can't find him. God said: "Seek me and you will find me if you search for me with all your heart". But you don't because you love your filthy, bitter, ugly, hateful, disgusting sin, and you want to stay in it. You think that since you deny the God that made you you won't have to give an account to him, but you will, and it won't put the fire out. Repent before it's to late
I could answer your post point-by-point, but it's useless. I think that I'll just go ahead and worship your genocidal, evil, crazy ass god because of the fire.
The average distance from the Sun to the Earth is 1.496 x 10E11 metres - that's 149 million kilometres. So even given your "sun shrinking at 5 feet per year", 1 million years ago it still would have been 148,958,476 kilometres from Earth. Not even close to encompassing the Earth is it?
The moon is on average 384,403 kilometres from Earth. 100,000 years ago at 2" per year it would have been 5.08 kilometres closer. Big deal.
Science is science. Intelligent design, like any collective thought that humans may have, should be only taught in comparative religious studies or maybe even philosophy. However, those who hold science as the last word in all things are fools.
Creationists, or "ID proponents" as they like to call themselves (or ID-iots as called by "evilutionists" LOL) often say: "Let's teach the controversy", but they only mean what's controversial to others, not themselves. What if a group of people wanted to teach pagan creation myths at schools, would that kind of "teach the controversy" be supported by them?
If we are to believe in creationism (sorry, I mean "Intelligent Design") and should teach it at schools then we should teach some of the most ancient creation myths (sorry, I mean "Intelligent Design" myths) because they were invented long before the christian myth. Why is one of the younger myths considered to be real? If myths were true then the older they were the closer to truth they would be.
I like when they say "Expelled: No intelligence" but then they add "allowed". If you just take away this last word it sounds like "Expelled for lack of intelligence" which is exactly what that film is about.
Look for Neil deGrasse Tyson & Stupid Design video.
Mr Stein is sure about god and I'm sure there's a unicorn in my garden, so it must be true despite the fact I don't have a garden.
But creationists are the proof of "microevolution" - their brains must have microevolved. LOL
What a dumb piece, as usual another closed minded person trying to pull the veil of missinformation over the weak minded's eyes... Evolution is being dumped by more scientist all the time. there are sooo many holes in THAT RELIGION and It is a religion in it's self. Science is God...
We do study "holes" in evolution, that is how our knowlegde of evolution expands. Just like we study 'holes' in our knowledge of theoretical physics so as a expand our knowledge of physics.
Eh? How can beings from outer space create the universe in which they exist? In order for a being to create the universe, they first have to be outside of space and time and not consist of matter.
You are also forgetting the curse. What you see today, is not the "very good" finished creation of God.
What Ben means is that there's no plausable theory in secular science explaining the origins of anything natural. He believes in Micro-evolution, but not the other evolution theories.
I did not posit aliens created the universe, but it is possible some sparked life on Earth. Of course, this just begs the question - as does positing a god.
A perfect god created an imperfect world (one which sinned against him)?
We have NEVER seen anything created from nothing - why do we need to explain a phenomenon we have never seen?
Micro evolution IS macro evolution on a small scale.
If you say aliens created us, who created the aliens? We need not question who created God, because He wasn't created and is not bound by time, space or matter (that He created).
God didn't claim His creation to be perfect. He designed us to have free will and make our own decisions. Which is why we fell.
"Micro evolution IS macro evolution on a small scale." I hear this all the time. Yet it cannot be observed or proved and because of this, it is not science. It's science fiction.
I don't say aliens created us, and you picked up on the begging question. Even so, aliens are far more likely than god since we know the universe can support life.
God also begs the question - Where did god come from? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that god is not bound by time, space, or matter? How many other things are not bound by these things, and how do you know?
Can god predict the results of giving us free will?
Well if God exists, then He created the universe. The creater of something doesn't live inside it. Even if it's a house, you cannot live inside it until after it's built. So He resides outside of it. The universe is bound by space, time and matter. God wouldn't create things to bind Himself by. Yes God can predict the results.
I've read a book on the subject thanks. You should check out Dr Werner's book on the subject.
If you knew anything about evolution, you would not ask for evidence for it.
Can you explain why oceanic islands only have life that could fly or float there, while continental islands have all sorts of life? (this is one tiny example)
I could say that they fly or float there. Or I could say that the islands didn't used to be islands. Neither answer would suggest an animal kind changing into a different kind.
There are different animals in different lands. Elephants only appear in Africa and India for example. Nothing to do with molecule to man evolution theory. You get changes within kinds, dna mutation happens and the survival of the fittest happens. But you don't ever have one kind evolving into another kind. Bacteria will always remain bacteria, apes always remain apes, humans always remain humans.
I'm not saying evolution is false therefore my idea is correct.
I am not talking about different continents - although this is just an extension of the idea I am presenting (after all, it's all evolution).
Just answer why oceanic islands do not have any mammal life (apart from bats, who can fly there). It's not just one oceanic island - it's ALL of them. Why?
Nobody can know for sure, only theories can be made. My theory is that after the flood waters receeded and the islands appeared, there was no life on these islands. Years later, creatures from the continents eventually got blown or washed up on these islands.
As a creationist, I'd always expect them to remain as bacteria. If I were an evolutionist, I'd expect them to eventually turn into something other than bacteria.
We have observed a single species of bacteria evolve into 2 separate species. Sure they are still bacteria - what did you expect them to be? They ARE genetically different, and all species share massive amounts of genetic information. Where is the limit at which no more change can occur?
Of course there are limits in nature - when there is enough change between two groups and they can no longer produce viable offspring then they are (by definition) separate species.
We share 98% of our DNA with the great apes, but we still remain members of the ape family. Just as chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans are still apes.
You are trying to create an animal that is half way between two modern species. This is not how evolution works - we share a common ancestor.
it's not about wether you will be laughed at and I don't think anyone who's answer is any less than "I don't know" can laugh at someone's belief or opinion on what the origins of life etc were but it's an issue of a time and a place for the discussion and it's not in the science class room or journals. Not until the ID/creationists actually do some science.
MyOverflow, that's so typical of simple-minded rebuttals is to include "flying spaghetti monster" and other mythical creatures that NOBODY (except for maybe some kids or lunatics) in order to try to make the opposing argument sound childish. Learn how to argue and learn about ID. I'm sure you just base everything you believe on off of scientists' theories. Things they've "proven" like the earth is billions of years old.
The FSM is a useful illustration to point out the fact that religions have no facts to back them up whatsoever. Why NOT believe in the FSM over Jesus? Popularity?
ID makes zero predictions we can use to test its authenticity. It is NOT a science.
Ben's evidence is based on both faith and natural evidence. Do you believe that all things came from no thing? You ask, then who created God? Christians believe God is self-existent and was never created but is eternal in Himself. As long as you live this short life rejecting even the natural evidences that point to the Creator you will always live with the absurd belief that the universe created itself. In a sense, to you, the universe, or tangible matter, is your god. That's a sad existence:)
I have accepted that my faith DOES sound absurd to an unbeliever such as yourself. I also realize that this is not a matter of intelligence, better argument or rationalizing but an issue of the heart. You are clearly and intelligent person, but in the our faith, no one believes in God unless given the faith to believe in Him, not by intelligence or wisdom but by His spirit. Ben Stein is speaking based on his convictions. BTW, thnx 4 the thumbs down. It's nice to have one for once.
1:22-1:32 you are free to discuss "intelligent design" but NOT in the science classroom?? That's not freedom of speech you moron. That's the oppression of opinions that differ from your own.
I am not advocating that we suppress talk about intelligent design, but you can't call it science until it makes predictions we can test to verify the authenticity of the claim. So far those heavily promoting ID have completely failed to make one prediction of their hypotheses.
Science class is for science. Religious education is for myths and fables.
intelligent design shouldn't be discussed in a science room because its NOT SCIENCE. its been disprooven and debunked and they still call it right its idiotic
"you are free to discuss "intelligent design" but NOT in the science classroom?? That's not freedom of speech you moron."
I guess I'll start talking about the flying spaghetti monster in my English class and how the fairies in my closet created everything in my History class?
No, it's not oppression. Just like you wouldn't study to become a priest in an English class, you don't study fairy tales in a Science class.
that's the thing moron. ID followers believe it is a science. It states that there was a creative force behind the design of all organic and inorganic matter. Even atheist scientist say such and such was made to do this. We all understand that things have a design not functional randomness. If the science room tries discussing the origin of species shouldn't all options be allowed? Or just the opinion of one group? You people are so dismissive.
Maybe I, being a lunatic, believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is science. Does that mean that FSM deserves a place in a science class? Of course not. Unless FSM or an Intelligent Creator can be scientifically analyzed, predictions can be made and tested, and evidence is found, neither deserve place in a science class.
To make it simple: If it can't adhere to science (i.e. has evidence and is testable) then it ISN'T SCIENCE.
Mutumbo99 - Sure let's examine all the options. Weigh up which ones are supported by the evidence, and which are baseless. The overwhelming evidence suggests all species share common ancestry with modification. Nothing we have ever witnessed has ever popped into existence from nothing at all.
Just because things *look* designed does not mean they are. The universe seems to the following natural laws, but if you pose a god to solve where these came from, then where did this deity come from?
Great question. I have no problem answering with an "I don't know." How far does space extend and does it have a limit? Who knows? But do YOU simply deny the existence of a creator or God because you cannot see him?( Mind the gender description, I won't use "it".)
There may be a god, I do not know for sure either way. However, there seems to be no evidence or even good arguments to support one - let alone on god in particular.
There is a big difference between seeing and observing. Observation is not necessarily based on visual identification, but can rely on any of our senses or be derived from logical deductions.
Have we EVER seen a species appear from nowhere? No.
Have we ever witnessed a biological organism being designed? No.
We have seen organisms be born. We have observed differences between parents and children. We have witnessed selective pressures of variable populations in action. This is evolution.
Sometime there is only one correct answer. 2+2 does not equal 5. Any other answer apart from 4 is WRONG.
"This is like saying the germ theory is wrong because it doesn't explain the orbital patterns of asteroids" lol -
that analogy sort of fails though because we do have an explanation for orbital patterns of asteroids. a better analogy might relate germ theory to millions of space rodents rubbing space cheese together producing the friction at the core of our sun, thus powering its fusion.
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JQLJ1 2 months ago
Ha ha... minute two... "There are error in the replication..."
Win.
Stufflebam 6 months ago
I believe a Wizard did it. Can we discuss on college campuses how a wizard created it all and designed the universe? I hope so because I like the freedom of speech
walkonking 8 months ago
@walkonking It was not done by a wizard. The universe was created by a cosmic teddy bear high on LSD. This is what I believe. My beliefs (which are totally unproven) deserve to be discussed and taught in high school and college campuses.
deanosumo 7 months ago
I believe in stork theory. If you don't believe me then you're stifling my free speech. I demand my legislature immediately endorse teaching stork theory in 6th grade health class as an alternative to sexual reproduction. Do NOT oppress me or I will make a movie to reveal your attempt to silence me! Sexual reproduction doesn't explain the origins of black holes and dark matter and you atheist scum know it! Storks are real!
Ripley747 11 months ago
@Ripley747, being a Bird lover, I could not agree more, I too have known the true word of the Stork all my life, the part you may not know is that "THE"Stork (God) did not come from an egg, but from a devine imaculate conception of the Holy Flying Spageti Moster Mother, just had to share the word with you.
(Yes yes I know) ;) may Stork bless you!
1BustedMyth 10 months ago
@Ripley747 Ripley, you hit the nail on the head. Obama: "I dont think science is compatible with the christian faith".... Bout fell outta my chair...that was so true & so funny Barak...2 thumbs up to you for that one !!!
orangemod 10 months ago
Really? The question is always open to both sides. Let facts rule the day.
Ripoid71 11 months ago
Thats a great idea, the editor gets to insert comments and ask questions and Ben doesn't get to answer. Thats kinda what he is talking about !!
Aociardha 1 year ago
@Aociardha, There are 20 vids in the side bar, where Ben gets more then enough rope, I mean Say!
You mess with my science I mess with you
Stop playing the victim
1BustedMyth 10 months ago
what category does the primordial soup fall into?
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
Ben Stein is a fucking moron.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago 3
ben stein is a lawyer what does that tell you. i can not believe he pedals this stuff. how on earth has he got airtime on a news channel. never would happen in the uk. Albert Einstein never believed in a personal god and certainly never expressed believe in a christen one. evolution is about one of the most proved theory we have about just about anything.
moggyEm 1 year ago
it is about freedom of speech. believe in GOD or not. Explain resonably what you beleve...how fair!
xukeith33 1 year ago
The person that made the video is an arrogant piece of crap, thats a fact. Why? For promoting hate against religious people and insulting them for their beliefs is WRONG! If you you can't see this basic fact your a piece of crap too.
Lavere2009 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 Religious beliefs ARE wrong. Get over it.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me and thats exactly what it is Jr. an opinion not fact. Just a heads up to you, opinion is not fact no matter how many people believe it or agree with it or repeat it. Atheism assumes much without seeking truth and provable facts. Because of this fact, atheist theology and their theories are assumptions at best. Atheism is a lie, get over it.
Lavere2009 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 Atheism doesn't assume a damn thing. There is a hint in the label, if you hadn't noticed.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg They assume data constantly for their "scientific theories" the whole thought process they go through for their theories are flawed. They assume information based off of nothing other then wild imaginings. I know I research your theories all the time, evolution, Darwin-ism, Dawkin-ism. These are your cult leaders of your atheist religions and you blindly follow.
Lavere2009 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 "They assume data constantly for their "scientific theories" the whole thought process they go through for their theories are flawed. They"
Hello Pot, this is kettle. Ever hear of falsifiability? How could you falsify god?
"These are your cult leaders ...."
You're an idiot. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate your god is real. That's all.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg I falsify nothing. The complexity of the laws and governing attributes of the universe is the evidence of a creator. You are ignorantly unable to grasp the obvious answer that a watch needs a watchmaker. The advanced dynamics of even the simplest of sub atomic particles working together to form complex atoms which in turn also forms the complex molecules and chemical bonds. This alone should stagger you, but again the complexity takes another leap into the realm of Amino acids and life.
Lavere2009 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 "The complexity of the laws and governing attributes of the universe is the evidence of a creator."
How so?
"a watch needs a watchmaker"
We only know this because we can witness the process of designing, building, and manufacturing a watch.
"This alone should stagger you, but again the complexity ...."
I know - it's an argument from incredulity.
askegg 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 and you are just as wrong to shout down anyone with an opposing view point. get over yourself and learn a little of the tolerance your magic book preaches.
elilichtenberg 1 year ago
@elilichtenberg You speak your opinions and insults and try to dictate that I should show tolerance while a video spreads hatred and insults and shows none. Then you dare to act as a hypocrite while attempting to dominate my opinions when you clearly practice no tolerance of my viewpoints,who do you think you are? Go away Nazi thought police wanna be, I do not tolerate your kind of ill manners, this is a free thought zone.
Lavere2009 1 year ago
@Lavere2009 Why are creationists so arrogant? Why do they lie about evolution?
Why can't they see the fossil record, it is like fossils don't exist.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Greg, I dont get them either. Ben Stein is without doubt an intelligent man. So, how can he make such silly and untrue statements? Either he is lying to others AND himself or he is delusional.
orangemod 10 months ago
Whomever made all the aggressive notes on the white is taking Stein out of context. Ben never says he doesn't believe in evolution. He says there are holes in the theory, not he doesn't believe it is a reasonable explanation for one part of the big picture. "Darwinism" doesn't explain the beginning. Ben is saying that he finds God to be the logical answer and wants the same right to teach that as the "scientists" get. I find the commentator immature and frankly, I question their sobriety.
mack2d2 1 year ago
@mack2d2 "Darwinism" (which not not evolution) does not encompass universal origins, abiogenesis, chemistry, cosmology, etc. You are attacking a straw man.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg actually, I'm not attacking anyone in my comment genius. I'm simply pointing out that Stein is being taken out of context while the 'maker' of this video attacks him.
mack2d2 9 months ago
His movie got HORRIBLE reviews anyway
Zain844 1 year ago
What would be impressive evidence for intelligent design, would be numerical sequences in genomes.
For example, if we found prime number sequences of nucleotides, or sequences of perfect numbers, then this would be very good evidence.
But no one has ever found this.
Evolution does have something to offer abiogenesis. Natural selection acted on populations of self replicating molecules, as it does on species as well.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago
I think the commentator who wrote those comments misunderstood whole topic. Ben Stein does not contradict himself. Its only problem of definitions of words. Secondly those arguments against God are out of the main topic. By the way they are weak. Untill scientist will made life out of nonliving matter EVOLUTION is only express of faith as good as for example politeistic religions
lachanonim 1 year ago
@lachanonim "Untill scientist will made life out of nonliving matter EVOLUTION is only express of faith ..."
Let me fix this for you: Until scientists can make life out of non-living matter, then ABIOGENESIS may not be true. The best anyone can say until then is "I don't know".
There.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg i respect you and thank you for trying to prove your point without using fowl language but enough about that...so what if i'm wrong? then what?.. i lived a happy life and i did what i thought was right.....but what if you're wrong...and you die...then what....
mojo7x7 1 year ago
@mojo7x7 Pascal's wager is the WORST argument ever.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg i don't understand why you attack creationists, and " there's no proof about an intelligent designer"? ....there's no proof of there not being one....listen buddy i'll pray for you..goodbye
mojo7x7 1 year ago
@mojo7x7 You cannot prove a negative, which is why we don't even attempt to. You cannot prove Zeus or Vishnu do not exist, will you believe in them as well, just in case?
Pray all you like - it does not bother me in the slightest.
askegg 1 year ago
You know, I could've done without the annoying uploader comments
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
@dougmoerhoffman Why the fuck did you watch then?
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg I never said I did, so that's strike 1 for you on the logic issue. I did watch, because I couldn't find this interview anywhere else. QED
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
@dougmoerhoffman 1) If you saw the text, you watched the video. 2) You commented about the comments, so you watched the video. 3) You JUST ADMITTED you watched the video. QED No wonder you believe in a God - you cannot reason beyond the obvious.
askegg 1 year ago
everything must come from somewhere. you do not have to call this something God.
jdelarosa1989 1 year ago
@jdelarosa1989 Since god is a thing, then by your logic he must have come from somewhere and you have an infinite regress on your hands. If not, then your premise is wrong and the argument fails.
askegg 1 year ago
What you all are missing is that when Conservatism was in power in all Universities, students were taught both sides of the argument, theories, philosophies, etc. But now that Liberalism has taken over the Universities, they do not allow the other side to be taught to students ...
Wake up people and stop believing every damn thing you here from the government ran scientific community with an agenda to remove God and the idea of intelligent design from the realm of humanity...
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 There IS no other side to the debate. If you could produce some evidence that ID actually explains the facts, then let's see it. And no, saying "it looks complex therefore it is designed" is NOT evidence, rational, or even an argument.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg lol, that statement is completely illogical... There is always two sides to any debate, therefore you are the stubborn unreasonable ignorant prick who refuses to even hear of the other side of the debate. I've heard evolution all my life, but growing up Christian, I always saw another side... You won't even consider it for debate. The most complex things like DNA and the CELL for God's sake show design in every facet, as well as the ENTIRE universe.
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 There IS no argument if all the facts are on one side. Should we present the "theory" that the pyramids were built by aliens, or Satan planted fossils to test our faith? The idea is absurd.
Oh - and I warned you against trying the "things look complex" argument. By that logic, if your God is AT ALL complex he MUST be designed. Only things which do not exist have no complexity. Nice going - you disproved God.
askegg 1 year ago
@sek3009
U said; "Always 2 sides to any debate."
Not in this case! Creation is simply not an option. If there was evidence to support it, other than, "I don't know how it could have happened so it must be god." That is not evidence.
Evolution has hundreds of peer reviewed articles, even awards...Creation has none!! And wishful thinking will not change that.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@askegg And the fact that everything came from nothing is the most irrational statement ever spoken. It CANNOT happen. And don't say where did God come from, because God by definition means eternal. Always was, is, and will be... Self-existence is different that self-creation. The FACT is, is that everything from the smallest things, the atom and cell, to the largest thing, the universe shows unimaginable complexity and design. The laws of the universe, they couldn't have just "appeared" either
sek3009 1 year ago
@askegg So I ask, why is it that ridiculous for a biologist, for example, to say, "wow, this stuff we are looking at is unimaginably complex and works in patterns that show complex design?" Why are you so angry, is it because you know there is another side to the argument, and that any self-respecting scientist of any field will say, you know there's a lot of really complex, interesting stuff that can only be explained through intelligent design...
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 No - adding complexity to solve the "problem" of complexity is simply daft.
askegg 1 year ago
@sek3009
No, you'd like 2 conclude that it's designed. Unfortunately, u don't know the process & have no comprehension of actually how long it takes 4 these changes 2 take place.
U ppl think man was created fully formed in about 6K yrs?? Sorry, but that's simply not true! What u should really do is go to; talkorigins . org. Go there and learn how Evolution works. Learn why we don't need fossils to prove Evolution. DNA alone proves it. Anyway, learn 1st before U attempt to debate the subject!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@askegg If things just appeared from nothing, where did the information come from? You have to have intent, prior to content, meaning a creator/designer placed information into the DNA, and designed all the parts and put everything into existence... There is no chance, chance means nothing... chance has no power, no being... it is just a word to make atheists/evolutionists feel better. Talk about living a life of fear where if the idea of an intelligent designer is mentioned you freak out...
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 "You have to have intent, prior to content..."
Really? What is the content of God? What are his intentions?
"...chance just a word to make atheists/evolutionists feel better. "
And God is just a concept to make *you* feel better.
"Talk about living a life of fear..."
I am not the one worried about being tortured forever if I displease my all loving god.
askegg 1 year ago
@askegg I'm not worried, God loves everyone. You just don't truly understand the Bible, instead you probably only read the Old Testament which has its interpretations of some things that happened that were extreme, but God has his plans. You obviously do not see the prophetic scheme throughout the entire bible...read the NT before you start hating on God. God's intent for creation is also in the bible, try reading. Open your eyes and look at the incredible jaw dropping design/complexity
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 Watch my first video. I have read the Bible.
askegg 1 year ago
@sek3009
It's always interesting to hear the same apologetics, and all the schooling you try to give us about how to study & understand scripture! All of this from a person who thinks they are so wise...but know so little!
I've studied the OT, NT, the Tanahk/Torah, Septuagint, L.Vulgate, Apocryphal books, Forbidden Books of the bible, and now, the Ugaritic Texts. That last one will expose the roots of Judaism. When U see that, you'll understand it all. Not you though. You're in deep denial!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@sek3009
God loves everyone?? U mean the Xian god of the bible??
The OT god, Yahweh, was a tyrannical, mass murdering Sociopath! There's no doubt about that. When we look at jesus, at 1st we think god has made a major change! But then, he's not supposed to change. When we realize that he plans to send most of us to hell, we see he hasn't changed at all! And people like U accept and praise such a monster. You've lost your decency & humanity if u don't see what's wrong in all that.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@sek3009
I've never known anyone (other than Xians) who believe everything came from nothing! A singularity id everything, just in a different from!
Where do you people get all this BS? That's the problem, you actually think you know something...and you don't! Is this the tripe you get from your Creationist websites? How does it feel to have your own fellow Xians lie to you & insult your intelligence?? They'll even admit it, if you press them long & hard enough!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@sek3009 "... the fact that everything came from nothing is the most irrational statement ever spoken"
Indeed, which is why I do not believe this to be the case. You however think a being spoke words and everything popped into existence from NOWHERE. Now your telling me it's impossible. Nice going, you disproved God again.
Also, IF the universe was designed then look at the implications.
Note: The atom is NOT the smallest thing.
askegg 1 year ago
@sek3009
Gov. run scientific community??? An agenda to remove god...??? Now I see where you're coming from.
U say you've heard of Evolution all your life, but have you ever studied it? Do you understand it? I say no, bcuz if u did, you wouldn't be making this argument!
It's not political, but about evidence & rational thinking. You are claiming "god did it." So prove it! At least provide some evidence! U can't, and that's just one reason why ID & Creationism doesn't work. Evolution is a fact!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux There is no evidence for evolution. Fossils are in the ground everywhere- shows evidence for a world wide flood. Fossil layers do not exist, the ground settle in the way the elements of dirt would in a jar... True science has shown that the tree of life dramatically went from a ton of animals down to a few that we see today- more evidence of a flood. If you want to get into things such as morality, absolute truth, and scientific laws...those would be even more evidence for ID
sek3009 1 year ago
@sek3009 #1
So 98% of the scientists worldwide are wrong? Our Agriculture is built on Evolution, but they wrong too? And I guess biology, which is also dependent on Evolution is also wrong?
Then explain atavistic dna! Why is it that we develop tails in the early embryonic stage! About 100 cases today exist of people who were born with their tails! Fact!
Explain vestigial organs, such as nictitating eye membranes that humans have which is now dormant, but present?
There was no "world" flood
Cont
Cootabux 1 year ago
@sek3009 #2
We have methods to determine that the flood never occurred. Core samples from the ocean bottom, ice core samples from the poles, dating methods which are highly accurate, even tree ring samples going back at least 10K yrs!
How would a wooden ark contain & care for Animal, plant, tree, Insect, and last but not least, sea mammals, from every part of the planet???
And btw, there are at least 2 Doz. transitional fossil forms between man & lower primate!
Where U been??
Cootabux 1 year ago
So i can stump Ben Stein if i ask him what Darwin's book says. Good to know.
Darkromeo80 1 year ago
No, science does not provide answers as to how everything got started; but just because it doesn't does that mean I shlould believe that the Bible does. LOL....the only thing the Bible really demonstrates is how angry, volatile, hateful and petty God is. Am I really expected to believe that all that metaphor and allegorical garbage holds the answers. To accept the Bible would mean imposing an intellectual boycott on myself. I'm much too rational for that sh*t.
handsomedevill1001 1 year ago
I am beginning to wonder if he thinks that alternatives to our history and math classes should be available as well.
Oh, and all our medical sciences have holes in their theories because germ theory doesn't teach alternatives or allow the possibility that it's really evil demons causing our ailments as opposed to germs and viruses... well, that and it doesn't explain where stars come from.
By the logic that this movie has of course.
sonic8005 1 year ago
I've seen Ben Stein's sophomoric, infantile, crockumentary (not to be confused with a crocoduck.) Affirmative on the quote mining. They lied to Dawkins about the movie's intent, and he still made him sound stupid.
DJCJester 1 year ago
I would firmly be against any form of a national church in the U.S. whether it be Prebyterian, Baptist, Catholic, Pentacostal, Puritan, whatever Christian denomination even against the "church" of Darwinism that teaches and preaches evolution ( which I see taking over the U.S.)
tungstenclark 1 year ago
"Church of Darwinism"?
"Religion of evolution"?
Seriously?
askegg 1 year ago
I used to have some respect for Ben Stein as a mediocre actor and speechwriter.........but after watching this, I don't even consider him a functional human being.
Hunkola 1 year ago
I just have one problem with the video; "intelligent design". You write "if there is a designer, it is not intelligent" because there are things that make us die? So what you're saying is that what makes a designer intelligent is the fact that he keeps us alive for as long as possible? That doesn't make sense to me. Otherwise, keep up the good work, i really like your videos.
Egondv 2 years ago
The problem is not that we die, it's we are not as well designed as we could be which is a problem for those proposing an omniscient being. For example, an optimal human would not share breathing and eating orifice which results in many of us choking to death each year. This means improvements to our design could be made, and we cannot have been designed perfectly.
askegg 2 years ago
Any christian will refute that argument by saying something like :"But if you do not know what we are designed for, how do you know if we're designed well or not?", and there is some truth in there. Because if you do not know the solution, how can you tell what the perfect equation is?
Egondv 2 years ago
Then it is up to the Christian to demonstrate what we are designed for. Speaking to the example I gave, they should be able to demonstrate why separate breathing and eating orifice are not better suited to our purpose. It is also important to not that all of this difficult problems go away if we assume we were not designed, let alone by an omniscient (or even intelligent) being.
askegg 2 years ago
But in their religion (correct me if I'm wrong) they are not told what the purpose is, for only God knows. What's certain though (for them) is that there is a purpose for everything. And we are designed to align with that purpose. It's selffulfilling, considering, whatever we end up doing or whatever ends up happening to us, that will be "our purpose". Thus, I.D. supporters will always be right in their mind. Which sucks ass. But it does make your point senseless if directed towards Christians.
Egondv 2 years ago 3
You are correct. Many theists claim purpose, so it is up to them to show what it is and demonstrate how they know this. Of course they do not, instead retreating to faith.
askegg 2 years ago
Not to mention why do we have an appendix? What self-respecting deity would stick one of those in there? Oh, of course, it might just be a vestigial organ left over from our plant-eating ancestors or possibly it was put there by God to help employ folks who remove 300,000 each year in the US alone.
alanstarkie2001 2 years ago 10
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"What self-respecting deity would stick one of those in there?"
Or make it so that the smaller it becomes, the easier it is to become inflammed, causing more problems.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
@alanstarkie2001
The appendix actually helps with the immunity of our bodies. You remove it, you can still function, you have it, you're less likely to get diseases and sicknesses.
Dumbass.
sek3009 1 year ago
Now that is just insulting to Neanderthals everywhere! Jesus H, every day, people discuss God in Churched and other buildings which are assumed to house the holy everywhere. GO THERE!!!! Universities and classrooms are for learning, not preaching.
cymbeline8 2 years ago
Now I know why Hiter wanted to kill ALL of them...every so often there's a 'prominent' & 'intellectual' Jew that comes out spewing the same old equality nonsense that still hasn't been proven. Of course not all Jews go against evolution, but all people that do go against evolution just so happen to be Jews.
There has to be a some sort of middleground where neither arguement is pushed and let the chips fall where they may, so that both sides can shut up.
GaryVonGary 2 years ago
As a proponent of evolution you must learn to not be so unintelligent as to assume that Jewish people are more or less creationists than any other person. By blatantly showing your disgust to a particular group, without evidence, are working with the same irrational belief that your said opponents are working with. You need is to say that it is irrational to suggest something supernatural as a cause of evolution. Both theists and nontheists accept evolution. Intelligence is separate from faith.
fourthavenuefreedom 2 years ago 2
Eure Kommentare im clip sind gelinde gesagt bescheuert.
On69Andreas 2 years ago
LOL
enhanceUK 2 years ago
I don't like your commentary in this clip. Yes intelligent design and creationism are alike and yes darwinism and evolutionism are pretty much the same. But to insert your own ideas into a very clip a very bad decison. Please (if other people read this) keep your personal ideas in your own clips to yourself. Write a blog! I don't care!!! The idea that you think you are smart by posting all these ideas is absurd.
lucy2steele 2 years ago
Hmm..lets see is McCain a scientist? is Obama? ...Oh man...Their benevolent or personal God...created some ignorant people...They don't know where life began..so they label it "god"....Yeah I don't know where my remote is..I KNOW!!..maybe God Took It!!
PhillipThunderGrunge 2 years ago
Darwinism is simply a mechanism fore intelligent design. You choke to death therefor you get voted out. I build and design things, goto church and i get voted in. If a girl sees that and she votes in My kids get voted in.
websuspect 2 years ago
wow, put a spin on something you disagree with huh.
I gave you an example of some convincing evidence with Michael Behe's study of Irreducible Complexity; Its your choice to run around it.
again it is your opinion that you think all religion push dogma on people- thats like me saying that all evolutionist want to push their ideology and "hypothesis" on to people to "try" to come up with an excuse to not believe in a higher being than themselves. that is legalistic itself. we have a choice.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Whenever Mr Behe has presented what he thinks are irreducibly complex systems, people have demonstrated how these things may come about using entirely natural processes. So where are the complex systems again?
askegg 2 years ago
what he thinks? are you assuming things without looking it up yourself? the problem here mr egg is that you don't care if evidence was directly in your face; you will still deny it. YOU have an agenda in which you think is rational and necessary disregarding on someone else's opposing view.
my point is, regardless on any stand, if it come in any conflict to what you "believe" you don't care to hear anyone else out other than yourself-
I thought you might be different- but your not.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
I have seen Mr. Behe's examples and arguments. I know the arguments and they are weak. You project too much.
Behe basically asserts "things are complex and some cannot have arisen by chance or developed over times, therefore accept jesus into your heart of burn forever.". It's a pretty stupid argument.
You are countering my points and I am not hiding from them. Show me one irreducibly complex system.
askegg 2 years ago
apparently you didn't give it the time of day to understand since you made that little insert about Jesus and people burning forever which had nothing to do with the argument.
take a look at the reducible complexity of a mitochondrial molecular machine.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
OK - let's leave Jesus (and all other deities) out of it for now - after all aliens are more likely anyway.
Let's say IC is valid - where does that get us? There is a designer. Great, now what?
Science does not yet know everything. If it did it would stop. Of course, every time a natural pathway for "IC" systems are demonstrated the places for the designer to hide shrinks.
askegg 2 years ago
welp at least now you can't admit there wasn't a designer now.
hahaha.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Hahahaha
I never said there absolute was not a designer - I just asked for evidence of one. I am open minded and will happily change my position if people can demonstrate their claims. It's the most reasonable position.
Of course (going from your name) you will simply assert this designer is Yahweh not one of the 1,000's of other gods to choose from.
askegg 2 years ago
again, this has nothing to do with religion. seems that your still backed up that this is regarding a "specific" religion. I just want you guys to be open minded of other's choice of study.
your asking for evidence for a designer- what do you want me to grab? some blueprints of earth with a name on it?
mr egg you will not be satisfied on something that isn't seen or measured to your standard.
all we can do is look at the facts of complex systems and see that it debunks random selection lol.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Also, you are free to use another system rather than rely on hypothesis and experimentally verified results but I rather think your life would be quite random using such an approach. You can believe in alchemy, astrology, and palm reading if you like - it is your choice. Just don't expect others to adopt your beliefs unless you can show they work.
askegg 2 years ago
ouch-
"if we can't find a way to explain the natural appearance of a system"
mr egg-
why must you make a irrational judgment about religion?
you told me to list one "prediction" intelligent design makes, I just gave you one- so why the derogatory statements about religion?
I assure you creationism has nothing to do with religion.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Because religion is irrational?
First of all, irreducible complexity (if there is such a thing) is not a prediction of intelligent design - it is used to infer a designer as a possibility. Of course, explaining how things come about naturally annihilates the need for a designer at all.
askegg 2 years ago
thats where I differ in opinion on that.
how things came into existence screams out that there is a designer. And you saying otherwise is just a mere opinion and a direct difference of perspective.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Well, we have never seen anything pop into existence from nothing at all, which discounts most all versions of creationism.
I guess you are saying the fact we can predict the universe infers some intelligence instantiated those laws. However, the question of where the designer comes from is never addressed. At least be internally consistent and intellectually honest.
askegg 2 years ago
well, when I was an atheist; thats what i thought too- but I think differently now.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Heh - and vice versa for me :)
askegg 2 years ago
Who said anything about creationism? IF intelligent design is valid then it only shows there is a designer. The designer does not even need to be supernatural and certainly doesn't prove any one god or religion in particular.
askegg 2 years ago
again I just gave you an answer. It's good enough for me to understand that there is a creator more advance than human's tiny minds
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Congratulations - you are a deist with a self confessed non-rational basis for your beliefs.
askegg 2 years ago
whats wrong in believing that there was a creator? makes science more fun to look and wonder about.
oh, and thanks for the "irrational" judgment about what I believe- still doesn't disregard that your ideology is just out of a method of hypothesis and skepticism in denial of a "creator"
I don't fear your opinions.
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Believe in a creator if you like, but if you want to convince others present some decent evidence.
Science deals with what is real. It continually questions, tests, and revises. It works. It resulted in the computer you are now using for example. It does not deny a creator - indeed it would confirm one if it could, but there simply isn;t any evidence support one.
No one in science fears opinions either, they just accept the results. Religions have an agenda to push their dogma.
askegg 2 years ago
intelligent design is science. to say its not is just mere an opinion
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
Scientific hypothesis make predictions we can use to test their authenticity. Name one prediction intelligent design makes.
askegg 2 years ago
Irreducible Complexity
theembracedofgod 2 years ago
So your argument boils down to "if we can't find a way to explain the natural appearance of a system, it must have been designed, therefore communicating with a spirit will save your eternal soul from torture due to the rejection of an all loving god".
askegg 2 years ago
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God". Since you deny God before you look for him you lie when you say you can't find him. God said: "Seek me and you will find me if you search for me with all your heart". But you don't because you love your filthy, bitter, ugly, hateful, disgusting sin, and you want to stay in it. You think that since you deny the God that made you you won't have to give an account to him, but you will, and it won't put the fire out. Repent before it's to late
originaldanman 2 years ago
I could answer your post point-by-point, but it's useless. I think that I'll just go ahead and worship your genocidal, evil, crazy ass god because of the fire.
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originaldanman 2 years ago
Do you realise how stupid this makes you look?
The average distance from the Sun to the Earth is 1.496 x 10E11 metres - that's 149 million kilometres. So even given your "sun shrinking at 5 feet per year", 1 million years ago it still would have been 148,958,476 kilometres from Earth. Not even close to encompassing the Earth is it?
The moon is on average 384,403 kilometres from Earth. 100,000 years ago at 2" per year it would have been 5.08 kilometres closer. Big deal.
askegg 2 years ago
Hahaha, well said.
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originaldanman 2 years ago
Science is science. Intelligent design, like any collective thought that humans may have, should be only taught in comparative religious studies or maybe even philosophy. However, those who hold science as the last word in all things are fools.
tikinkss 2 years ago
Provide evidence that something other than reality actually exists.
Oh - and look up Matthew 5:22.
askegg 2 years ago
Me.
You may want to read Plato's cave analogy, fool. ha.
tikinkss 2 years ago
Religious people suffer from a major persecution syndrome. How hard would it be to predict that one would get persecuted for talking utter nonsense.
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
Creationists, or "ID proponents" as they like to call themselves (or ID-iots as called by "evilutionists" LOL) often say: "Let's teach the controversy", but they only mean what's controversial to others, not themselves. What if a group of people wanted to teach pagan creation myths at schools, would that kind of "teach the controversy" be supported by them?
UserNr001 2 years ago
If we are to believe in creationism (sorry, I mean "Intelligent Design") and should teach it at schools then we should teach some of the most ancient creation myths (sorry, I mean "Intelligent Design" myths) because they were invented long before the christian myth. Why is one of the younger myths considered to be real? If myths were true then the older they were the closer to truth they would be.
UserNr001 2 years ago
I like when they say "Expelled: No intelligence" but then they add "allowed". If you just take away this last word it sounds like "Expelled for lack of intelligence" which is exactly what that film is about.
Look for Neil deGrasse Tyson & Stupid Design video.
Mr Stein is sure about god and I'm sure there's a unicorn in my garden, so it must be true despite the fact I don't have a garden.
But creationists are the proof of "microevolution" - their brains must have microevolved. LOL
UserNr001 2 years ago
Intelligent design, i find even the title amusing as nobody with any intelligence believes in it!
mattyrm 2 years ago
What a dumb piece, as usual another closed minded person trying to pull the veil of missinformation over the weak minded's eyes... Evolution is being dumped by more scientist all the time. there are sooo many holes in THAT RELIGION and It is a religion in it's self. Science is God...
MAVsays 2 years ago
Which scientists? Where?
I suppose you are looking for a crocoduck? If so, you fail.
askegg 2 years ago
We do study "holes" in evolution, that is how our knowlegde of evolution expands. Just like we study 'holes' in our knowledge of theoretical physics so as a expand our knowledge of physics.
jacobins3000 2 years ago
Eh? How can beings from outer space create the universe in which they exist? In order for a being to create the universe, they first have to be outside of space and time and not consist of matter.
You are also forgetting the curse. What you see today, is not the "very good" finished creation of God.
What Ben means is that there's no plausable theory in secular science explaining the origins of anything natural. He believes in Micro-evolution, but not the other evolution theories.
Poor video.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
I did not posit aliens created the universe, but it is possible some sparked life on Earth. Of course, this just begs the question - as does positing a god.
A perfect god created an imperfect world (one which sinned against him)?
We have NEVER seen anything created from nothing - why do we need to explain a phenomenon we have never seen?
Micro evolution IS macro evolution on a small scale.
Poor comment.
askegg 2 years ago
If you say aliens created us, who created the aliens? We need not question who created God, because He wasn't created and is not bound by time, space or matter (that He created).
God didn't claim His creation to be perfect. He designed us to have free will and make our own decisions. Which is why we fell.
"Micro evolution IS macro evolution on a small scale." I hear this all the time. Yet it cannot be observed or proved and because of this, it is not science. It's science fiction.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
I don't say aliens created us, and you picked up on the begging question. Even so, aliens are far more likely than god since we know the universe can support life.
God also begs the question - Where did god come from? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that god is not bound by time, space, or matter? How many other things are not bound by these things, and how do you know?
Can god predict the results of giving us free will?
Read a book about how evolution works.
askegg 2 years ago
Well if God exists, then He created the universe. The creater of something doesn't live inside it. Even if it's a house, you cannot live inside it until after it's built. So He resides outside of it. The universe is bound by space, time and matter. God wouldn't create things to bind Himself by. Yes God can predict the results.
I've read a book on the subject thanks. You should check out Dr Werner's book on the subject.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
IF god exists is a very big if.
If you knew anything about evolution, you would not ask for evidence for it.
Can you explain why oceanic islands only have life that could fly or float there, while continental islands have all sorts of life? (this is one tiny example)
askegg 2 years ago
Why would this question suggest evolution?
I could say that they fly or float there. Or I could say that the islands didn't used to be islands. Neither answer would suggest an animal kind changing into a different kind.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
Continental island have mammals, etc LIKE the continents they came from, but completely different species.
Oceanic islands have bird life with distinct species LIKE the areas they came from, but no mammals, etc.
Why is this the case? God just being creative? or possibly evolutionary.
Anyway - since when do you get to say "evolution is false, therefore my idea is correct"? Where is the evidence SUPPORTING a god?
askegg 2 years ago
There are different animals in different lands. Elephants only appear in Africa and India for example. Nothing to do with molecule to man evolution theory. You get changes within kinds, dna mutation happens and the survival of the fittest happens. But you don't ever have one kind evolving into another kind. Bacteria will always remain bacteria, apes always remain apes, humans always remain humans.
I'm not saying evolution is false therefore my idea is correct.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
I am not talking about different continents - although this is just an extension of the idea I am presenting (after all, it's all evolution).
Just answer why oceanic islands do not have any mammal life (apart from bats, who can fly there). It's not just one oceanic island - it's ALL of them. Why?
askegg 2 years ago
Nobody can know for sure, only theories can be made. My theory is that after the flood waters receeded and the islands appeared, there was no life on these islands. Years later, creatures from the continents eventually got blown or washed up on these islands.
As a creationist, I'd always expect them to remain as bacteria. If I were an evolutionist, I'd expect them to eventually turn into something other than bacteria.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
We have observed a single species of bacteria evolve into 2 separate species. Sure they are still bacteria - what did you expect them to be? They ARE genetically different, and all species share massive amounts of genetic information. Where is the limit at which no more change can occur?
Humans are apes.
Good :)
askegg 2 years ago
If there are no limits in nature, all creatures should be able to breed with any other creature. But they cannot.
If humans are apes, why cannot you make a hybrid human/ape? And if it has never been attempted, why hasn't it? Maybe because humans aren't apes.
ericinnit1 2 years ago
Of course there are limits in nature - when there is enough change between two groups and they can no longer produce viable offspring then they are (by definition) separate species.
We share 98% of our DNA with the great apes, but we still remain members of the ape family. Just as chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans are still apes.
You are trying to create an animal that is half way between two modern species. This is not how evolution works - we share a common ancestor.
askegg 2 years ago
lol ben stein pissed you off so bad you made a video
rtward45 2 years ago
it's not about wether you will be laughed at and I don't think anyone who's answer is any less than "I don't know" can laugh at someone's belief or opinion on what the origins of life etc were but it's an issue of a time and a place for the discussion and it's not in the science class room or journals. Not until the ID/creationists actually do some science.
kevycanavan 2 years ago
Stein is an absolute idiot
kevycanavan 2 years ago
MyOverflow, that's so typical of simple-minded rebuttals is to include "flying spaghetti monster" and other mythical creatures that NOBODY (except for maybe some kids or lunatics) in order to try to make the opposing argument sound childish. Learn how to argue and learn about ID. I'm sure you just base everything you believe on off of scientists' theories. Things they've "proven" like the earth is billions of years old.
mutumbo99 2 years ago
The FSM is a useful illustration to point out the fact that religions have no facts to back them up whatsoever. Why NOT believe in the FSM over Jesus? Popularity?
ID makes zero predictions we can use to test its authenticity. It is NOT a science.
askegg 2 years ago
Great to see you back making vids askegg
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
I can't even watch this with all of the obnoxious interruptions, which only exist to present useless text.
t1ngley 2 years ago
He is just a jew trying to make some more money.
atheist2411 2 years ago
Beings from outer space?
Are you kidding me?
There is no historical book mentioning these creatures in our design.
Besides who would have created the beings from outer space?
Fail!!
emzirek 2 years ago
I did not say I believe it to be true, but we know the universe supports life - we do not know it was created by a super magic sky being.
askegg 2 years ago
Ben's evidence is based on both faith and natural evidence. Do you believe that all things came from no thing? You ask, then who created God? Christians believe God is self-existent and was never created but is eternal in Himself. As long as you live this short life rejecting even the natural evidences that point to the Creator you will always live with the absurd belief that the universe created itself. In a sense, to you, the universe, or tangible matter, is your god. That's a sad existence:)
mutumbo99 3 years ago
"Do you believe that all things came from no thing?"
No, but what does that have to do with evolution?
"Christians believe God is self-existent and was never created..."
They may believe that, but can they prove it?
"...you will always live with the absurd belief that the universe created itself"
How is this less absurd than believing God created himself?
"...or tangible matter, is your god"
I don't worship it, or eat magical crackers to appease it. It demands no behaviours.
askegg 3 years ago
I have accepted that my faith DOES sound absurd to an unbeliever such as yourself. I also realize that this is not a matter of intelligence, better argument or rationalizing but an issue of the heart. You are clearly and intelligent person, but in the our faith, no one believes in God unless given the faith to believe in Him, not by intelligence or wisdom but by His spirit. Ben Stein is speaking based on his convictions. BTW, thnx 4 the thumbs down. It's nice to have one for once.
mutumbo99 3 years ago
1:22-1:32 you are free to discuss "intelligent design" but NOT in the science classroom?? That's not freedom of speech you moron. That's the oppression of opinions that differ from your own.
mutumbo99 3 years ago
I am not advocating that we suppress talk about intelligent design, but you can't call it science until it makes predictions we can test to verify the authenticity of the claim. So far those heavily promoting ID have completely failed to make one prediction of their hypotheses.
Science class is for science. Religious education is for myths and fables.
askegg 3 years ago
intelligent design shouldn't be discussed in a science room because its NOT SCIENCE. its been disprooven and debunked and they still call it right its idiotic
thehoffmanapprentice 2 years ago
@mutumbo99:
"you are free to discuss "intelligent design" but NOT in the science classroom?? That's not freedom of speech you moron."
I guess I'll start talking about the flying spaghetti monster in my English class and how the fairies in my closet created everything in my History class?
No, it's not oppression. Just like you wouldn't study to become a priest in an English class, you don't study fairy tales in a Science class.
MyOverflow 2 years ago
that's the thing moron. ID followers believe it is a science. It states that there was a creative force behind the design of all organic and inorganic matter. Even atheist scientist say such and such was made to do this. We all understand that things have a design not functional randomness. If the science room tries discussing the origin of species shouldn't all options be allowed? Or just the opinion of one group? You people are so dismissive.
mutumbo99 2 years ago
Maybe I, being a lunatic, believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is science. Does that mean that FSM deserves a place in a science class? Of course not. Unless FSM or an Intelligent Creator can be scientifically analyzed, predictions can be made and tested, and evidence is found, neither deserve place in a science class.
To make it simple: If it can't adhere to science (i.e. has evidence and is testable) then it ISN'T SCIENCE.
MyOverflow 2 years ago
Mutumbo99 - Sure let's examine all the options. Weigh up which ones are supported by the evidence, and which are baseless. The overwhelming evidence suggests all species share common ancestry with modification. Nothing we have ever witnessed has ever popped into existence from nothing at all.
Just because things *look* designed does not mean they are. The universe seems to the following natural laws, but if you pose a god to solve where these came from, then where did this deity come from?
askegg 2 years ago
Great question. I have no problem answering with an "I don't know." How far does space extend and does it have a limit? Who knows? But do YOU simply deny the existence of a creator or God because you cannot see him?( Mind the gender description, I won't use "it".)
mutumbo99 2 years ago
There may be a god, I do not know for sure either way. However, there seems to be no evidence or even good arguments to support one - let alone on god in particular.
There is a big difference between seeing and observing. Observation is not necessarily based on visual identification, but can rely on any of our senses or be derived from logical deductions.
askegg 2 years ago
How many theories on the origin of species are allowed in a science room? It seems as though most scientists are biased although I may be wrong.
mutumbo99 2 years ago
As many as the evidence supports.
Have we EVER seen a species appear from nowhere? No.
Have we ever witnessed a biological organism being designed? No.
We have seen organisms be born. We have observed differences between parents and children. We have witnessed selective pressures of variable populations in action. This is evolution.
Sometime there is only one correct answer. 2+2 does not equal 5. Any other answer apart from 4 is WRONG.
askegg 2 years ago
"This is like saying the germ theory is wrong because it doesn't explain the orbital patterns of asteroids" lol -
that analogy sort of fails though because we do have an explanation for orbital patterns of asteroids. a better analogy might relate germ theory to millions of space rodents rubbing space cheese together producing the friction at the core of our sun, thus powering its fusion.
pxxner 3 years ago
OMG you can hear the tone when reading the text! sooo funny:) keep up the good work
pibot314 3 years ago