Dinnegan killer handed life sentence

[nastygirl8886]

I didnt kno Martin personally but this happened on the manor.

R.I.P Martin

[nrthldn]

i wouldnt wanna know anything about that bastard anyway,bloody idiot

[MetzLDN]

You lot got no idea about martin, Joe was a tyt guy you dont know nuffin about him, martin ran up with wray kray tried stabbin man thinking hes big movin to headz with a bat and a bottle I seen him bully headz he aint no angel fuck da liez!

[nrthldn]

yeh i do got an idea about martin mate,joe aint no'tite guy'otherwise he wudnt have beat a man,killed a boy and been on supervision,he was a bait idiot.Martin werent an angel no,but he werent violent and he wasnt a bully.he didnt stab anybody,that idiot is chattin shit and tryna get away with murder by claiming self defense,martin was unarmed u idiot.put it this way yeh,luk how many people turned up to pay respects to martin and the u luk at joe,no1 gives a shit about him

[MetzLDN]

U play wit fire, u get burnt, and dats wat happened to him, if u wanna blame sum1 put it on wray cray

[nrthldn]

No..i blame the pussies who chased him,i blame the bastard that thought he would be a big man,and carry a shank around with him,i blame the same bastard who thought it would solve things by stabbing martin.wray kray arent to blame,the fucker who is inside is to blame..Martin was loved,that thing who killed him isnt,nobody cares about him,he will never amount to anything other than a criminal,martin should be on this earth now,not him

[MetzLDN]

yh woteva man its all double standard, memmet and david stabbed nuff ppl up bt wen its someone u knw its all a lot worse

[nrthldn]

if they had killed someone i would say the same thing..david did what he did in retaliation,dunno bout mehmet,they didnt stab bare people...the boys that killed martin have always been trouble,the wray kray lot dont go round lookin for trouble,if trouble comes their way they deal with it,theres a difference between them and the other lot

[MetzLDN]

nah wray kray ran up on many man for no reason hu r u anyway

[nrthldn]

like who? martin was like a younger brother to me

im 1 of the wray kray,who r u?

[MetzLDN]

Im QS

[nrthldn]

whats dat,quill street?

how do you know martin?

[MetzLDN]

nah i didnt kno him i knew his antics doe.

[nrthldn]

his antics?

martin was a cheeky little git at times and could wind people up,but he werent violent and was far from a bully....

theres bare bullshit about him like....

[nrthldn]

you say martin was a 'bully' yeh but who were the ones picking on a little 14 year old, them idiots,they are the bullys,fucking idiots

[Followyourbiss]

12 years is not enough, way way to short it should be life for their vile crime, i mean these "things" are not fit to ever see the real world again, how much joy do they bring to peoples lives? not much cause they are scum, 12 years is unfair but at least its something.

R.I.P Martin your missed always.

[simbarro]

finally somebody else who talks sense about the race thing....

12 years is definately not enough,especially because of the fact the boy was on a 'supervision order' and had a criminal past....

dont worry martin,im sure people will get the real justice you deserve!

love you x

[Followyourbiss]

Thank God these bastards are going to jail, i hope they rot.

Can i just say why does every video involving victims of knife crime have to start a race argument .

We should be talking about Martin not race.

Not all black people are killers wake up and grow up.

[simbarro]

r.i.p martin

[BVargas78]

Skin the mother fuckers alive, castrate them, harvest their organs, make the rest of their existance one of miserable painful slavery! I hate them so much, i really hate evil people so much. There are good people starving in the world while the motherfucker killers take thousands of pounds for rehabilitation they dont deserve They should just die horribly and be 'harvested'

[simbarro]

i wish you were the prime minister

[gooner364]

Typical black savages, ship em back they don't contribute to society. London is becoming third world.

[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

i really couldnt care less

[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

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[JasonRadley]

OK, enough already. Goodnight, miss, and if you take one thing from this, go and google The Color of Crime. Because this whole topic of racial disparities in crime, and the incidence of black-on-white crime (contrast, for instance, the huge discrepancy between black on white rape with those of whites on blacks) is kept under wraps by our media.

[simbarro]

dont even mention that all i have to say is kkk just as many white rapists

[JasonRadley]

I think you're beyond help. You probably need an IQ above 110 to appreciate these issues. You seem to be hovering somewhere between 95-100.

[simbarro]

lucky me

[simbarro]

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[simbarro]

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[BVargas78]

I hate these savage killers so much, I hate them and want them all to die horribly and painfully to make an example that being evil will bring a fate so horrible and dark that it will bring fear in evil peoples heart.

[simbarro]

so do i.

lock them in a room with his older brothers i say!to think they live round the corner from me!

[JasonRadley]

I saw this old white bloke today collecting for charity (disabled kids, I think) outside Sainsbury's in a very multicultural part of London. Poor old devil, everyone was just streaming by.

He probably didn't know that multiracial populations are much more uncharitable than more homogenous ones.

[JasonRadley]

Jane Austen beckons - I bet you don't even know who she is. You don't even know your own culture beyond Big Brother and Premiership football.

[simbarro]

How would you know my culture just by reading a few words on my profile?

you have no idea what race i am or where i live so how can you make assumptions about my culture.

yes i do know of jane austen not that i find any of her work interesting

[JasonRadley]

Is you black, girl?

[JasonRadley]

Do you ever wonder why racially homogenous countries like Finland and South Korea have the highest standards of living in the world whilst multicultural paradises like South Africa and Brazil are near the bottom of the league?

[JasonRadley]

One almost final thing. I love this claim that anyone who doesn't entirely sympathise with the multiculturalisation of Britain is a Nazi.

When the old people in Britain who lived through WW2 are the people who dislike it the most.

[simbarro]

Theres a difference between disagreeing with multiculturalism/immigration and racism.Your opinions are bordering that of a racist

[JasonRadley]

I consider there are two definitions of being a racist.

i)One who is ethnocentric - prefers the company of their own racial/ethnic group; predominantly prefers his own group's culture.

ii) One who believes there are biologically based differences in intelligence and behaviour.

You can be i) wihout being ii), but I'm guilty on both counts.

[simbarro]

ii) = ignorance and stupidity

[JasonRadley]

You've already conceded biological differences between the young and old and men and women, so it's really just another step to accepting racila differences. And considering the history of human evolution, the causes of such differences are readily plausible. So it's really an empirical issue not a political or moral one. And the science on race and intelligence confirm its reality.

[simbarro]

You cant suggest that the 'science of race' has anything to do with the behaviour of different ethnicities because the science is not there,you are not born with violent tendancies just because you are non-white,but you are more likely to be more dominant if you are born a boy rather than a girl

[JasonRadley]

Let's take the difference between monkeys and humans. Are the differences in the respective culture and behaviours of man and monkey solely due to environmental differences?

[JasonRadley]

OK, I need to be going shortly. I have to watch a Jane Austen film, so I'll let you off by scoring our argument as a draw although I'm way ahead on points.

[simbarro]

of course you are matey,in your little world everything in your mind and your opinions are right...reality is a different story

[JasonRadley]

I think it's evident whose reality is based on a knowledge of the relevant facts and whose is based on what some chavette knows about the streets around where she lives.

[simbarro]

You basically just stated that i am right.Hoe can any 'survey,statistics' etc be more accurate than somebody with first hand experience? it cant...go back to living in your nice little aryan village where nothing bad ever happens because everybody is white british

[JasonRadley]

We're back to the problem of sampling error (an idea which is obviously over your head). Your experience (let alone your intellectual capacities) simply isn't extensive enough to draw proper conclusions.

[simbarro]

im liking the way you are trying to belittle me,by insisting i am uneducated and thick,when im clearly not,well maybe slightly as i am stupid enough to still be here talking to the likes of you.

id rather go on the facts of a certain area and the knowledge of somebody living in the area over a survey devised by the government(who havnt a clue about anything)who are only likely to approach middle class sloan rangers as they wouldnt dare try to survey the inner city residents

[JasonRadley]

Lack of education is a relative term. Compared to South American goatherders, you might be considered educated. In respect of the smarts of people who devise and conduct things like the BCS, you're still in remedial class.

[simbarro]

When did i claim to be intelligent?i said that i am not uneducated and thick like you try to make me look

[JasonRadley]

Like I said, it's relative. Compared to me you are thick and uneducated, but I don't hold it against you. You share that fate with 98% of the world's population.

[simbarro]

haha

you arent no bill gates.Just because you try to include 'intelligent' big words to make yourself sound like somebody who has gained a masters from oxbridge,it doesnt make you smart

[JasonRadley]

I reckon you fancy me, but I'm not giving you my telephone number..

[simbarro]

i wouldnt take your number even if you paid me to do so..:D

[JasonRadley]

The best work on racial disparities in crime has been done in America, and, in particular, a publication called The Color of Crime.

Google will readily turn it up. It shows that blacks commit crime at something like 9 times the rates of whites. Hispanics also commit proportionately more crime than whites, but Asian-Americans commit less.

[simbarro]

Why are you jabbering on about america?the issue is england,the discussion is about england.

[JasonRadley]

Because it's a common pattern. Call it empirical science, if you will. More men than women commit crime in every society. The same with the young vs the old. So we can expect similar results with regard to race. And, hey presto, this turns out to be the case.

[simbarro]

The difference between men and women is hormones,men are made to be more dominant and powerful than women so therefore end up committing more crime,women are made to be more sensitive and gentle.

The young vs old thing is simple too,the older generation have more morals/values and had more guidance,than us youth have today,todays youth have grown up in a soft environment with no proper guidance hence the reason for the increase in crime

[JasonRadley]

Hormones, she says.So she's positing a biological, not cultural, cause of differences in human behaviour including crime.

But if anyone so dares as to suggest there might exist biological differences between races that influence behaviour that must be totally dismissed from polite society.

[simbarro]

yes,its proven scientific fact.Statistics based on 'public opinion' isnt fact nor is it accurate.

The sad thing is,non-whites have more culture than the white british will ever have.The culture the british show these days is that of pubs,smoking,football hooligan type behaviour.

The thing is you cant suggest something like that because crime and behaviour is influenced by surroundings,society and environment whereas hormones are something you are born with

[JasonRadley]

Yes, behaviour is influenced by environment but environment is also influenced by biology. I wouldn't want to deny that first obvious link, but you wish to deny the second. For you culture is something completely arbitrary.

[tandrewl]

I agree with you simbarro to a certain extent about the white British citizen - no pride in their country. Graffiti, litter, vandalism, greed, selfishness, etc.........

The media have a great influence on the way the average Brit thinks and acts. It whips up nationalism and portrays this country of ours as a great nation - unfortunately many believe this rubbish.

PS I'm a white Brit without the rose coloured spectacles.

[simbarro]

The media influence everybody,the media also tend to get information wrong for example they claimed that martin had stabbed the other boy first and that martin lives on a council estate,both false.

Personally i dont think its down to race,no rae is perfect,its just about todays society,lack of authority,lack of punishment and lack of morals! lol glad someone isnt to blinded by the tinted specs

[JasonRadley]

If you refuse on principle to even consider race a factor, I fear you'll carry on in an intellectual vacuum unable to conceptualise why the problems of today's society may have come into being.

[simbarro]

like i said,you cant base crime on race,its stupid.

if that makes me stupid in your eyes,then so be it,i couldnt care less

[JasonRadley]

Whites are more than ready to rubbish their own culture, but strangely reticent about doing it otherwise. As if these dimbulbs had any real knowledge of British culture and history before the introduction of colour TV.

[simbarro]

come on the old wise one,what is the great british culture?

[JasonRadley]

You mean, the writers, the artists, the scientists,the politicians, the inventors, the film makers whose achievements made Britain the foremost power in the world prior to WW1?

[JasonRadley]

If you really want to see what British culture essentially consists of, go live in other parts of world. You'll be pining to come home within weeks :)

[simbarro]

i cant wait to get away quite frankly!

[simbarro]

British culture,is drunken,pie and mash eating football hooligans and yobs.i mean you just have to look at places like benidorm

[JasonRadley]

You really need to get out more. Go and see the latest RSC production or a London musical. Visit the art galleries, museums, concert venues, sports clubs, etc. that still dot this nation of ours.

[simbarro]

The best musical i have ever seen in the west end happens to be the one which isnt of british culture

[JasonRadley]

So? Did I say no other cultures have produced anything of value? It's goes without saying that I don't have much of an issue with other European whites, but I'm happy to acknowledge East Asian and Indian contributions to civilization. It's just that I prefer that they stayed in their own countries.

[simbarro]

the best musicians and sportsmen are those of ethnic backgrounds

[JasonRadley]

I disagree, but I uderstand that liberal white culture has raised black culture to the epitome of cool. Some of its OK when tempered to white sensibilities, but I deplore rap and hip-hop as the culture of the lowest common denominator.

[simbarro]

It depends what rap you listen to,if somebody is influenced by music to behave in a certain way,then really they are easily influenced and anything could contribute to it.I dislike the majority of 'rappers' out there.I listen mostly to rap but that doesnt mean im going to go out and stab somebody to make myself look tough

[JasonRadley]

It's what they call GIGO. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

[simbarro]

the majority of writers,scientists,inventors,f­ilm makers,actors are actually of jewish heritage

[JasonRadley]

Ummm, no. Where do you get your information?

Hmm, are you Jewish? You don't sound bright enough, but, that said, there are a lot of dumb Jews, as well. Jews, of course, overwhelmingly support mass non-white immigration and multiculturalism (except in Israel).

[JasonRadley]

I'd only consider my posting this stuff inappropriate if this was a commemoration site for Martin. But it's actually a YouTube posting of an ITN news report.

[simbarro]

i sure martin wouldnt want you posting any of your drivel on any tribute site made in his memory

[creepmag62]

see simbarro "its" started on me now...

[JasonRadley]

Simbarro needs all the cheerleading she can get. Things are going badly for her...

[simbarro]

lol oh gosh!

[creepmag62]

simbarro -don't be dragged in to this ridiculous banter with JR. As usual with this type of discussion it seems JR is going over board forgetting this was someones son who has now died. To JR - the tradegy is that a child has been killed............

[simbarro]

I know,its a shame these BNP/racist types can only try to put their message across when it involves the death of a teenager.Theres so many like him on youtube!

[creepmag62]

agreed!!!! its unbelievable the depths some people will go to.

[JasonRadley]

Yes, simbarro, don't be dragged into a discussion that you'll inevitably lose.

Let's just pretend the reality of black violence is a natural phenomenon about which one can neither say or do anything.

[simbarro]

you are the one with the rose tinted spectacles on matey!

i havnt said that 'non-whites' dont commit crime,ive said that whites commit just as much crime,tis you who cant see what rubbish you are talking about!

inevitably lose? Well of course im going to lose,unless i can use my powers of persuasion to make you change your opinion,because thats what your comments are,opinion not fact.

[JasonRadley]

And I'm saying that there are large racial/ethnic disparities in crime rates in multiracial countries. So you're plain wrong.

This is why defeat is inevitable for you. You're ignorant of the facts. Not that I especially blame you if you rely on the mainstream media for your information.

[simbarro]

Why would i need to listen to the media when i have the facts right out on my streets?Ive seen crime/violence committed by all races not just a particular race.you are the one with the ignorance,the biggest characteristic of the nazi bnp supporters- ignorance

[JasonRadley]

Again you're seemingly unable to grasp the notion of statistical probability.

If I said that men or young people were more likely to commit crime than women or the elderly, would you agree with that?

[simbarro]

That question is common sense,the elderly are more imobile and therefore cant commit crimes like young people,women or men.

That is completely different to our discussion.

its like saying,a black baby will probably be more violent than a white baby because its non-white

[JasonRadley]

So the only reason that old ladies are out causing anti-social behaviour or mugging each other is because they lack the physical prowess? And I suppose the same goes for women compared to men?

Did you pass any GCSEs, btw?

[simbarro]

you asked whether i agree with that statement or not,i stated that the elderly were less likely to commit crime because they are unable to,compared to the young and men.

you are getting confused by your own question,i suggest you go back and re-read it,you are too busy trying to sound intelligent and completely missing the point of what we are actually discussing.

yes i did,with flying colours

[JasonRadley]

I understood that you agreed with me; I was simply moking your rationalisation. Now deal with the relative crime disparities between men and women.

[creepmag62]

yes I think hes in love with his own intelligence - long words do not maketh the man.

[simbarro]

lol

[simbarro]

thats the biggest giveaway and characteristic of a nazi/bnp supporter - ignorance.You are the one full of ignorance

[simbarro]

i remember it like it was yesterday,seeing the flowers with your name on them!

trying to tell myself it was another martin!

seeing the police,cameras and tape everywhere,the tent where you died!i was jus around the corner at the time and i wish i could have been there because i would have done my best to help you,like the times you helped me,i love you and miss you martin!R.I.P

[JasonRadley]

The tragedy is that there's no widely available public forum in Britain in which whites can openly discuss their views on non-whites and immigration. Of course, the multicultural-promoting BBC and other liberal media are a lost cause, but I'm talking about ostensibly conservative media like The Sun, Telegraph, Mail and Talk Sport.

[simbarro]

Theres plenty of hate filled,racist websites to go and spout your verbal diorhea in

[JasonRadley]

Here's one of those websites on the recent murder of Cara Burke:

So let's provisionally call it like this: fair-haired, underage English girl (with a face far too "knowing" for a 17 year old--see photo) gets sexually involved with nonwhite, South American Muslim man, and, over the most trivial of reasons, ends up being murdered, dismembered, and beheaded, with her severed head treated as a prize.

[JasonRadley]

Go to it, whites! Keep handing over your countries, your cultures, your collective wealth, your young women, your very lives, to non-Western and nonwhite people who never dreamed of taking any of those things (or at least never thought they had a chance to take them), until you started extravagantly giving them away, for free.

[simbarro]

white people arent exactly saints are they.all races from all backgrounds can be violent,putting it all down to 'non-whites' makes you look stupid

[JasonRadley]

Yeah and some women are taller than some men, but that doesn't change the fact that men are on average than women.

Now try and apply that logic to race and intelligence or race and behaviour. Or is abstract thought not your strong suit?

[simbarro]

You saying non whites are all violent is like me saying all white english men are peadophiles,seeing as though the majority of peados are white middle aged men....

just because the majority of killings in london are committed by 'non whites' it doesnt mean they are any worse than white people....glasgow,the killings are mainly white,liverpool - white,southampton-white,birmin­gham- mixed.its not about race,its about upbringing,society,poverty and values

[JasonRadley]

If you can show me where I said all non-whites are violent then your reply won't have been completely in vain. You need to put your brain in gear if you're going to cross swords with me. Passing all those devalued GCSEs don't qualify you for anything.

[simbarro]

You implied that non-whites are violent when talking about the dismembered girl,its called reading between the lines,you also stated that there are no forums open to discuss non-whites and immigration,

[JasonRadley]

I said there are no widely available public forums, as in the national press, TV or radio where race and immigration can be discussed freely and frankly.

And I don't need to imply anyhting: certain non-white groups, especially blacks, have a greater propensity to violent behaviour than whites. And I make the further correlation between lower black intelligence and this tendency toward violence.

[simbarro]

Yes,by saying that,it obviously means you want discuss the negative things about immigration and non-whites.

'White people have a greater propensity to have sexual desires for youn children' than non-whites,whats your point?All races can be violent etc its not about race!like ive already said theres plenty of disadvantaged,uneducated white kids in glasgow and liverpool who commit the same amount of crime,so whats so different about them?

[JasonRadley]

Your claim about paedophilic tendencies of whites vs non-whites is unsupported assertion for which you provide no evidence.

But the greater tendency for blacks to commit crimes and their lower average intelligence are two of the best attested findings in the social sciences.

[simbarro]

Where are you finding these 'facts'? let me guess,the home office website - the same website that says crime is decreasing lol you keep on believing 'statistcal' websites,they cant be more far from the truth.

Its no assertion,im just making my comments in the same way you are,im going by what ive seen,you've seen alot of blacks killing people,ive seen alot of whites perving over little children

[JasonRadley]

Let me guess that maths, in particular, statistics wasn't one of your strong points at school.

And unlike most conservatives I do believe the official figures that reported crimes have decreased. This phenomenon of falling crime rates since they peaked in the mid-90s has been reflected across many other countries, so it cannot just be an artifact of one country's sleight-of-hand.

[simbarro]

standard response from somebody who hasnt a clue about what goes on in your own neighbourhoods amongst teenagers.

The majority of crimes arent reported and in particular,the majority of the time ethnicity isnt mentioned so how can these 'statistics' be anywhere near accurate?

Crime is not going down,if you had any knowledge of 'the streets' you would know that it is infact increasing especially amongst teenagers

[JasonRadley]

Well there's definitely an issue about how often crime is reported and recorded, but the fact remains that results of the British Crime Survey (based on interviews with the public) agree with the official figures that crime peaked in the mid 1990s.

[simbarro]

i go by the facts right infront of my face.interviews based on the public arent accurate either,its random sampling which leads to the innacuracy of most surveys,we dont know who they surveyed or where,for all we know the public could have been upper class,who live in chelsea which would obviously come back as crime peaking in the past as chelsea barely has any crime now

[JasonRadley]

Yeah, the people running the British Crime Survey never thought of any of that! Outwitted by an 18 year old girl.

[JasonRadley]

Proofreading can't be my strong suit ;).

'doesn't change the fact that men are on average TALLER than women.'

[simbarro]

go to that stupid stormfront website,its got a million idiots like you in the chat rooms

[creepmag62]

since when was 12 years "a life time". Despicable justice. I am sure if I saw a boy running ashen faced pleading for help I would do just that. Come on Joe Public!Condolences to the family, I won't repeat what I think of the perpetrators for fear of being called racist!!!!!!

[simbarro]

one of the witnesses was a 'black belt' in martial arts,yet he still stood by and did nothing!

r.i.p darling!

[creepmag62]

I'm so very sorry - I can't imagine ignoring anyone in desparate need.

[simbarro]

Me neither! i ant believe he just stood there! the poor man will probably have that hanging over his head for the rest of his life!im a girl,yet i would have still jumped the scumbag holding him down,especially for somebody like martin,he was lovely,loyal and had done the same for me in the past!

May god rest your cheeky little soul martin!

everybody misses you!

love you darling!

x

[nrthldn]

he should be locked up for a long time the little scumbag

[nrthldn]

the bastards,12 years isnt enough,the scumbag is a criminal with previous convictions who should be locked up for a long time

[lisemoonwalk]

More negro savagery.

[nrthldn]

do you have to bring race into it