For those that don't know there would be no Arabic or Hebrew with out its African roots, So an African speaking Arabic is just speaking her child tongue so to speak.
i'm a sudanese girl and speak arabic and one day hope to go back and help my people the ones WHO ARE DYING IN THE HANDS OF WRONG LEADERSHIP THAT CALL THEIR SELF TRUE LEADERS. i love my counrty no matter how hard is it to live in sudan
there r many arabic dialects. and all of north affrica is arabic speaking. including sudan and eritrea. and besides many muslims in west africa learn arabic even tho the country doesnt have it a sa national language. i kno gambians who learned arabic as well nigerians. so arabic is everywhere.
The people who say Arabic isn't and African Language are dumb. Arabic is spoken in a lot of countries in the African continent. Even French is spoken in a lot of former French colonies, it is an African Language as well. It doesn't have to originate in Africa to be an African Language.
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fuck you bitch, Arabic is not fucken African language got it. watch your muther fucken mouth to use that language as African language. u fucken such a looser whore.
you're right arabic was never an original african language! And I don't know why these fucking schools are teaching people that aribic is an original african language this is not true!
WTF is wrong with you people? It's spoken in Africa these days. Who cares if it doesn't originate in Africa???? Besides, it originated in a place that is geographically extremely close to Sudan. Settle down!
oh shut the hell up and stop trying to mix arabic with true african culture. Stop trying to distroy our culture an history with your garbage language from arabia we don't need it or appreciate it! That's all white people like to do is try to conquer people and lie about everything!
@menace10100 what are u talking about sudan speaks arabic all of north africa dose. and before u call me a white devil are something im a nubian from sudan
your ignorant u did not even hear wht she said at the begining and besides the ARABIC spoken in AFRICAN COUNTIER is a fusion of the local languages with ARABIC IDIOT!!
so some 1 from middle east wouldnt understand some 1 from SUDAN
while sudanese arabic IS a fusion of local languages with arabic, the contribution from local languages is almost negligible... the main difference is pronunciation which is easily overcome
@GrandHustle247 look im sudanese i can speak sudanese arabic and everyone from middle east can understand or arabic some words are not the same but for the most part its same laguage. its like an american speaking to some one from england. the hardest dialect arabic to understand is moroccan because its mixed with french, spanish and some native languages
@menace10100 loisten ARABIC IS AN african language. i forget which one it is but one of these two. (AFRO SEMETIC ) (AFRO ASIATIC).. its Origins are from East africa nORTH EASTERN TO BE EXACT. THE Ancient Kingdom Kush HAD A LANGUAGE CALLD geez!! which they used inturn to develope the Arabic language... simply put in laim man turms. Even Hebrew can be considrd a Native African language as the Same Ancieent Kushites deloped the dialects and txt for the "Jews" justb as the did for the ARABS THAKS
yes there is OIL in sudan ,,you are american ,,,believe i never meet a american who speak another language,,,and i never meet a american who was vacation overseas,,,if he was overseas then he was in war or messionrey
listen here u ignorant stupid ass italian..go make ur dmn pizzas and shut the hell up!!!
sudanese is not a language!! sudanes epeople speak ARABIC! so shut the fuck up u dumbass!!!
our culture is rich with beautiful culture and exotic nile beauty...wide beautiful eyes long dark hair and a body to die for..so where the hell do u come from?
take a course in linguistics and see what the people who've been studying languages for years have been saying. Sudan has over 100 languages. And the arabic spoken there might be unintelligible to a syrian or saudia arabian. if two people cannot communicate through language they are not speaking the same one.
دا كلامو صاح يا ود عمي انت بالرجالة ساي داير تبقي السودان بتكلم عربي؟ إنت سوداني صاح مافي زول مغالطك لكن داير دروس كتسرة عشان تحاور الناس في مواضيع زي دي ما تقوم نفسك ساي وإيتفيد من الناس العارفين خلي التكبر
when i mean skin tones i mean some are dark but not blaaack, and theres nothing wrong with being dark im just giving out facts. so dont disrespect my country we are proud people and have never been forced out of our country or enslaved unlike your grandfathers who were shipped to america.
oh that's nice ,, sudanese Arabic is pretty much like the normal Arabic , it just that we have our own words defining other meanings . like you can say (shino) which means (what) i would really love to help if you needed anything , anything at all , text me .
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80 percent of African-Americans have European mixture. Yet they dont go around calling themselves Europeans. Sudanese and Afro-Latinos are brainwashed that Arabs and Spanish are superior to Africans so they call themselves Arabs and Hispanics rather than African. They think by calling themselves Arabs and Hispanics means their ancestors werent ever slaves. And they go around killing and discriminating against their own African people while the Europeans laugh at how stupid they are.
first of all the only slaves that are taken from sudan are from the south and black africans, look at moroccans and tunisians most of them are from french/european origin, i am african and proud to be arab thats why sudanese people have different hair, skin tones than other africans, our ancestors are originally from arabia, arabs spread out from the gulf all the way to north west africa, so get ur facts straight before you talk shit about my country.
You say you are Arab? So what about Ethiopians and Somalis? They don't speak Arabic but I know a Sudanese man from khartoum who looks like an ethiopian. He told me himself when he was in Ethiopa he got mistaken for Habesha. I have a Sudanese brother here in the U.S. that Ethiopians see him and talk to him in Amharic. They get angry at him and say he is denying his culture. Could you explain what makes you Arab besides the language?
yes arab and african, northern sudanese tribes such as ja3liya and shaygia are of african and arab heritige, like many other arab countries are mixed with all kinds of different blood eg. arabs, turks and african etc. bottom line we are all sudanese. there is no such thing as a pure arab except if you are from yemen.
@manticorex5452452 THE OTHER LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD ARE NOT ABOUT BLOOD EITHER IF THAT IS THE CASE WITH ARABIC, AND YOU ARE ENGLISH IF THAT IS THE RULES BECAUSE YOU SPEAK ENGLISH. FALACY!!
yeah most of sudanese speak arabic but its different than other Arabs some Arabs can't understand our accen but we do understand all other Arab ne way pround 2 be sudaneze
hello young lady, i am thrilled by ur study and i will b glad to help ya as well, i just live 1 hour flying from ur school, i am 26 year sudanese who r excell sudanese arabic
TruAfric we will never agree on anything seems to be this converstation is invain I just hope you don't get a stroke with all that hate you have for arabs!
I can't figure out how you gonna understand it while I can see you well over other side of the Red Sea. Absolutely, No way you can accept it because you didn't understand what I have been trying to tell you. a little bit. In the beginning of existence of Africans all of them were along the East of Nile from Nile Delta to Nimule, understand. nothing ignorance and lie can add to my life, truth must be told.
I am just getting very mad now of accusing me of praying with History, and whose history is it?
First middle eastern pples came to Africa to form first interracial pples of Afrosiatic descends, can still b found in many North, central and East African nation today, they are muslims and not Arabs, don't suppressed Africans like in Sudan and don't lookdowns Africans, they knew It is roots. Black Africans intermarried with other races,kids remains Africans. Whose history am I fabricating?
TruAfric in the begining I told you I was equally proud of being African and Arab I personally never looked down to Africans and I don't think any Sudanese do aren't we African too I'm tired explaing how can someone be arab even though say his Mom not his greatgranma was not if a Saudi today marries an American woman or an ethiopian woman what is his children going to be the answer is saudi and arab our case is the same the children of the american woman will also be american and the ethiopian?!
No one told you you have to be arabs be who you want and one more thing the Government fought SPLA and SLA they did not fight people they fought rebels who also have weapons supplied by forgin countries who don't wish Sudan to ever develop or rise you wish to continue killing the baggara and Myseriah only because they say they are arabs this is racism from your part let them be who they are it's non of your business!
U just said SPLA,SLA rebels, but remember in Sudan not only that rebels u said would b the end. Baggara and Misiriya r being used, but one day they will come to read Black book. pained em way u like it, b Arabs, Asians, or whoever. Of course, we didn't practiced racism to make Sudan rise as it is today. I know u guys would end up saying that next half century. In south, I remember heard someone dying of strokes....we saw devils in progress.
Aha... "the black book" what kind of book is that a hate breeder wrote it to cause racial and ethnic conflicts in the Sudan this was his intentions SORRY BUT I DON'T TAKE THIS FOR A REFERENCE!
You are so full of it TruAfric hate is a serious "Serious Disease" you are so confused and you don't have a clue what you're talking about you think the Nuba of Aswan and Halfa or Dungula are not the real Nuba why because they are muslim or because they are not black enough?
Did I said anything against em dummy? your r the ones who confused running from Arab to Nuba, from Nuba to Arab I don't recall ur position. I said facts and stand beside them. I m not denying Nuba, Abeja, or renamed collectiions of ancient clans their nativity,what I don't like is ur dillutions of Arab. And this is what u were asking 2-3 days ago. There is nothing called Black Book cloon! it is wisedom gains from genuine Africa historic perspectives.
TruAfric you keep name calling me and I refuse to lower myself to this level please mind your language that's uncalled for I thought you were more civilized?
These words come out of frustrations of seeing my pples getting kill everyday in Darfur, South Sudan and East. I don't how do you want me to consider you, the same depending the evil doers, called themselves Arabs in Sudan. Did I called you Arab? I know u r Jalyehan African blood connection is there, Read Late Muhamed Taha books about Arab versus African.....to really see few ancestral of Jalyehan. I am surprised to see you insists on Jalyehan direct descend of Arabs.
TruAfric the people killed in Darfur are both Afgrican and Arab tribes what all have in common is Islam it bleeds my heart to see muslims kill each other more than you you only feel for one side because you think you relate to one side more that the other I feel for both sides I relate to both the bond of Islam is closer than blood bond but I just want you to remind how all this started and who are the ones refusing to nesiate peace?
Yes Jaaliyeen descend from arabs I read many books about this the late Muhammad taha book one of them I have another book writen by the late Alfahal Alfakih Altahir read it I also have my own family references and all that basicly inforce my beliefs that we are without a doubt Arabs ok let's not go there, why are you objecting on us being part of the Arab league we are in the AU we are the heart of Africa and we have great numbers of Arabs too our first language is arabic
Being part of the arab league does not take away from us being African and not every country in the arab league is 100% arab so why shouldn't we be one?
Not all Jaaliyeen descended from Arabs, believe go back and check pples identity. even u being Arab and well behaves like humans is not our complains.
TruAfric I really don't understand what you are trying to say but I think we spoke about this long enough now I really don't care what you belive but thanks alot for the compliment if that's what you ment and I'm sure most people in the north share my views :)
Did you ever been to south before war? people are loving. uncertainty of me not advising you to go south is clearly known, atrocities which had happened are unspeakable, some families had been wiped out. anger exist, so go and be be very carefully. pples shared your views are your ethnic groups, that's all.
No I never been to the South and I wasn't borne before the war it's been like how long 50 years or so look I really think it needs to stop it's non-sense if you ask me people in the South would do better if they focus in rebuilding and education the South have many potentials and could be the envy of all Sudan if developed and please we don't hate you stop hating us
Read World news from last week. South is rebuilding as speedy phase like no another country recovering nation in AFrica. South is still the envy, getting education of South Sudanese is#1, it might not be Arabic but Kiswahili. you sound like we r still fighting, no we r not since 2002. Sudan is fighting with Darfur. talkin of hating or loving is individually. not Govt of South Sudan.
TruAfric Sudan economy have a growth rate of 10% which is a miracle for all we go through the highest rate in the world whether I like our government or not this is a fact and Nation wide we have always had a good educational rate now rising to 61% from originally less than 40% this is great acheivment as well considering the Civil war and decades of poverty
I m telling you, it could be more than that especially if u included uranium, golds and copper in South Sudan. finger point 2 waled al bilads, their unwise thinking is root causes of all problems.
TruAfric the South have gold and the East have gold the South have oil and now even the North and West we have been told is rich with Oil we only started there at the border of the South to invest an already discovered Oil wells since the 80's it was found just not invested back then but believe me they have found out that Sudan is a large Oil Country almost everywhere in Sudan there is oil it will take a long time to get all the Oil out and millions of Dolors to invest in it but,
if we all stopped fighting and put our hands together Sudan may be the worlds richest nation and the wealth could be evenly distributed and there won't be one poor man in Sudan but we can't do that when we are killing each other
that is right, now remember when I or any southerner talk of 2 millions pples including old, women and children getting kill. don't think is something heart-throbbing humans can experienced without rooting or cut rope tied pples together. Kiir got no choice without Pressure from International,war haved break out this year, believe me. He is not afraid of nothing, his pples had already been mutilated, burn alive, and war captured were murdered in cold blood, that is an act of cowardness.
you said the real Nuba were the Jibal Alnuba not the ones in Aswan or Halfa what does that mean??
you also asked me
"if one ur great great parents was black African Bantu(Nubian)then y Nubian r overlooked?" first Nuba are not "Banto" they are "Kushites" that is a different "ethnicity" OK! and my answer is no our great granmothers and not long ago my grandmother from my fathers side is "Mahasiah" Nubian I don't over look that we are both Arabs and Nubians!
that maybe confusions in spellings of Nobien and Nubians. North Sudan is well mixed groups of pples from Afrosiatic of Kushites or Bantu, Nilosaharans, Voltaic and Fangs. their blood is interwined. but Arabs in our face is not thing to put up with. overlooking I was talkin about is truly clear to everybody. whoever looks Arabs or Kushites regarded themselves Waled al Bilad not Darfur, Southerners. govt favored one side and that is what I considered overlooking
get real they speak Nubi they live where the ancient Nuba always lived and they look like the Nuba in the historical drowings they even live the same life stile with many habits from the ancient ones you have such a way of twisting facts
what the fuckin u talkin about?, speaks,live,habits,drowings....what shits are those? talking of drawings, tell me more about it. Don't u know that the same historic pples moves downward to avoid repercusions? Majority of pples populated North Africa and Sudan in Particularly moved to other parts of Africa, check the great migration of 1400 fool, what u knew? you should try to reconsider checking Egypt chronicles-history to c how pples and livestocks looks like to get facts
there you go with name calling again ok Mr. Smart guy the Egyptians look exactly like the Pheros and I mean the Farmers in "Sa'eed" they are brown not white like the ones in the North who mixed with Romans and Greeks later in history!
Exactly, All Africans are not Blacks as many thought although the core was blacks, all r regarded as one race, Why common features unites or classify race. The nose, lips and teeth, remembers Berbers, Maurs, Semites, Kushites, Hamites are still look in their original forms, all r brothers to me. I knew whites clans came recently during Roman Empire. U r right about farmers of Sa'eed and that makes their history not to cheated to Arabs or White Hellenists. they r Egyptians part of black ethnic
yes some common features and some differences as well but let's not go there at the end Adam the father of all humanity was black the word Adam means very black in the Arbic language so all humanity started from a black man I really don't mind being black if I were but I'm not even though I have black ancestral Nubians so let's not clasify people based on skin colour or anything all that is nothing what matters is ations and good conduct
I just feel sorry for you you could've had a perfict life finished University instead you let hate control you only because an ignorant old man called you a dirty name I get picked on almost daily where I used to live because I looked different arabic to be specific so did I let that pull me down did that fill me with hate no I kept going and achieving more success because I was wise enough not to waist my time and energy hating I think you are doing more harm to yourself that you realize
That was then before I went overseas to study J.D, had more Prowess than what you might have with ur Dad, to say the truth. I don't luv 2 talk alot about it,it is materials and over 90% of my South pples are dying everyday, let me b humble. narrow minded infant I shouldn't have wasted my time with. This is Blogoshere where many conflicting issues are discuss
Well I'm happy for you that you have made a change in your life I wasn't getting personal but hey how much personal can it get when you think you can tell me who to be or not to be "wanna be's" in your way of seeing things if any of our great grandparents is African that make us African and I agree we are both African and Arab don't even try to suggest we are not Arabs because that isn't for you to say we didn't deny we are African and will never deny we are Arabs is that clear?!
I m not denying you ur Arab ancestral, I opposed Sudan being an Arabic Nation, understand? I kept sayin it, don't get it. Ok, it is u who have Arab great great grandparents not me, nor Darfurians, Beja, even Nubians who r educated and clearly knew the history. I don't not brothers and sisters I opposed policies. AS you knew Black Africans are the backbone of this Nation. Did we once tried to make the Nation Africamaniac?
I don't want confuse religion with pples, did presidents did it so?
TruAfric great so we can agree at last that my ancestral fathers were Arabs what does that make me? in Arab tradition that makes me arab but I 'm also african and btw in case you didn't know arabs are semites maybe the closest relatives to Africans considering they descend from Egyptian Hagar and Hebrew Abraham their Egyptian mother is a close net not just to the Africans in general but to us Nubians speciallly Nubians and Egyptians are the same race!
I know y u can't deny African blood...because that is what you look like "Black" the Arab side is assimilations to cultures and religion which was long time ago implemented in whole North Sudan Afrosiatic which completely like Blacks in the West. Let me ask you, possible that we all Arabs? I am just saying the truth, I can not force you 2 b who u wanted to be, There is freedom of individual.
TruAfric Islam was not implemented it is what the people of the North wanted for the most part and those who didn't wish to become muslim no one forced them they are still christian or whatever and btw not all the Northn thik of themselves as Arabs the Arab tribes are the majority but some are not arabs they have their own language and cultures still intact no one is forcing them or you to give up who they are, tell me is anyone forcing you to be an arab TruAfric?
I m not religious fan, believe me. when Islamic Arab first Khaliffats come to Sudan, Do you think they were coming with groups of Arab? NO, pples living here thousand of years were converts and intermarried with New arrival Arabs, that is I can't say all of you r Arabs or Africans, but look. you living in Crazy World where you don't know who is truly your friends, Successive Arab Sudan presidents didn't think that matter until now.mix Arabs are protesting and that is only opening window for peac
Being Vice after what? long civil wars for more than 40 years. although SPLA fought for that position,yet it is still invalid. He just hold down to let South decide by themselves 2011. No one dare in South love that position puppet, why not Presidency? Real vice President is Taha, one who organized 300 juntas to overthrow Sadic Mahdi.
I care for all Sudanese whether in the North East West and South brothers and sisters in Nationality and for their sake I would love for the peace to continue but the way you look at it only the dinka shuluk nuwair and other southern tribes "original" and deserve to live in the south not baggarah not myseriah only because they are "wanna be's" like you call then even though they are your cussins and you don't deny this but you can deny them water and let them starve?!
We don't hate these tribes to come to South,but what they consider as their common Policies of Total impose Islamic cultures of putting pples in classes. not only are Southerners or Black AFricans in particularly not welcome in Khartoum they r treated badly on daily basis if not their ancient cradle land leave alone countrymen. That is y if no equality of presentation, opportunities and Justice, then what is a point of welcoming whoever feels home in Khartoum to enjoy the same in South?
TruAfric you can argue about who is Arab and who is not all you want I won't agree with you but I'll let it passbut you and I both know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of Sudan are muslims right? and one more thing don't we have fedral laws you don't have Shareah laws in the South and Shareah laws is not applied on non muslims!
Yes, but that does not change Kushites and Africans into Arab. but that statistic is argubly. I know why you think so, because that is what you and colleques had been fed since birth that you r majority can do anything, had all previledges that put Arabs and with their servants on top of real owners like Dinka, some tribal names were also changed due to the same approaches into Quranic names to impress, that not my problems, Muslim or Christains or native religions.
I agree we are different and that is a good thing not a bad thing the more diverse we are the more rich and vibrant our culture is let's just respect each other and not fight over stupid things
Yeah, but does governing idiots understand? watching TV portraying Islamic cultures,paying little or none attentions to Africa was part of roots cause of civil wars both in Darfur, East and even South. We know is very very good thing. What can we do, Since Arabs or let call them muslims long objected.
TruAfric all Sudanese are tired of Civil wars including our governing, I don't recal us objecting being African as well as Arab but maybe you object on us being Arab?
who objected who, we objecting u for sure, kidding? don't let come back to what we discussed. Who control the govt? back 1920s South, Darfurians educated use lobby for better presentations of their regions, that was like telling fairly tales, again 1955 When British was about to leave south keep lobbying,again ignored the wisers.1972 after Anya Anya1 peace,also violated by Nimeri Ok, use common sense; Judge by yourself. you made strong tolerance pples of South left with nothing but guns.
TruAfric let me ask you how old are you I wasn't borne back in the 20's or 50's and I was a child at the 70's but you seem like we were there all this time LOL ok first of all you can't blame us for what the British did they were occupying us and you, and Nimeri who's not Arab btw he was Halfawi=Nubian "original" like you like to clasify people and how long was Nimari gone? today we have a new peace treaty on the table signed by both the South and North!
It's funny how you can excuse Nimeri only because he wasn't arab and say he was under pressure by who the majority? so who is this majority the arabs? it's even funnier how we are the majority sometimes when you like and are not when you don't like LOL
Im Eastern Dinka or Bor if that interested you. well mannered and rule by law of respect & intelligency pples. Since you r badly wanted to be an Arabman, so Do I to my blood lines. You try to isolate me from pples you(Arabs) don't respect. I am also concerned and sympathic to Darfur, and Eastern Sudan Kushites of Handawai, Beja.
"Northern pples violence loving pples of greeds", "It is appropriate to keep rotten eggs in its nests"?? Aand you still have the nerve to take about "law of respect& intelligentcy pples", "well mannered"?? TruAfric throughout this conversation that lasted for days you have intentionally insulted me and my people unevoked you showed a great deal of hate and ill will if most people of the south have your ill manners are as discourteous as you are then I think it's best for all of us to separate!
I disrepected the disrespectul pples, understand? You kept depending ur pples who r coward reactionaries nation of many ethnics. Yeah,u believed me now.r kid that don't know shit about suffering of southerners. You did insulted me alot if u really look back into your posts sir. I m ashame to discuss.... Bye Bye
Please don't confuse Darfur with the South, those two struggles have different couses let me ask you one more question where are you from originally what city?
I m not talkin where am I from in South, These sufferings are my ethnic groups like you and some other Arab tribes in the North, that look identical and share the same blood lines and cultures. I don't think that long Arab divide and rule tactic would work here b/t me and u. let be honest.
Haj, frankly speaking. Northern pples r really violent and they will continue to fight if South succeded, that is not a lie. violence loving pples of greeds.So, sharing the same nation is slim and nonexistence. It is appropriate to keep rotten eggs in its nests. all cultures prospered in harmony where no some guys from some villages woke up one day, thinking of overthrowings of President, respect for each others is #1 before expanding it.
Im ready, but anyways, I don't think anyone could teach me. I was born in Wadi Halfa before civil war started. Sudan had been consumed by Ignorance and short sighting, it will be great to mutual understanding from either sides.
Im sudani, We don't have Sudanese Arabic. We got Arabic Creole. It ain't Arabic. some mix sort endangered Afrikan languages and Merchant Arab languages. it sound really weird to Arabian ears, but we communicate with effectively. learn real Arabic, not Sudanese Arabic. cause We are not Arabs but Afrikans.
the matter of fact you can't say we are african niether arab " we could be the best african, but we chose to be the worse arabian" Francis Deng. African don't accept us because we don't accept them, but we're running after arabin who ignoring us all the time. If you stick with "Sudanese" I think that;s better.
TruAfric,your are right, that we are not arab,we are african with alot of differencies between us,but we all sudanese , but you cant say the sudanese arabic, is not arabic, it is 100% arabic ,no one can deny that even arab themself, im from the north and arabic is my frist language, i believe is not waired to arabian.
Arabic Creole? what the hell is that?! There is such a thing as sudanese arabic, just as there is egyptian arabic, moroccan arabic and so on...And speak for ur self bro..but alot of us sudanese are arabs...It's not weird to arab ears because they understand us perfectly...Its arabic from the western sahara that isn't understood...We speak arabic in sudan and the dialect is sudanese!
until u come 2 justice, and stop ignoring the truth. So, Arabic language is of different countries like Egypt, Moroco, Yemen, Somali, Western Sahara,Uganda,Angola, Senegal, Mauritania, Iraq! don't u see(what really what they hell is?). That is hoax, We learned other languages of pples who coloniazed us but never same. get back to ur feet and relearn what Ancient real Sudanese were before replyin. I m speaking of myself without leaning to West, Middle East or far East.
Did you really understood "what I was talking about?" u bringing ethnicity! of course, since Northern Sudanese considered themselves. I would hesitate to choose side I want to depends. We Sudanese aren't Arab period. doubt go back to 13th century pples who use to lived in present day Khartoum were mostly Black Africans. if you liked arabic as we saw already assimilated ,then Go ahead to be Arabs but truth will remain unchanged.
hey look everybody is entitled to thier own opinions but not to thier own facts..I know of PLENTY of arab tribes in sudan with arab culture features and most important of all Language...People like Shygih..7assaniah and many more only speak arabic. Your argument doesn't even make freaking sence.. Regadless of the ethnicity of that 40% of sudnese who describe themselfes as arabs they still speak freaking arabic. Or are going to claim that it isn't true too?
I agreed, Shigia, Hassaniaya or whatever else you knew were assimilited and renamed just as Darfur was about 2. I kept my Original Native and that is a problem 2 yo all wanabees. the First Arabs came and easily mixed with Afrosiatic groups like Hamites, Semites, Kushites and Nilo-Chadic pples like South, East and Darfur, eg is last group of Rashid Arabs now siding with Beja and Afar against dummies. not the same Arabi original arab Karysh tribe(Mohamed tribe) speak,doubt. make more research.
what "arab" country speak the same arabic as is was without other language influences to it? Some sudanese ppl (about 40%)r mixed with arabs.They liked the arab culture (probably bec they liked islam so they assimilated & identifies themsefs as arabs & arabic was pwoerful enough that it dominated thier native languages. (obviously not the case for nubians of the north who mixed but they deny it bec they r proud of thier ancient heratige).
let me quote u sayin assuming. Ok, all Sudanese are Arabs, right? Darfur, Eastern and Northern tips,South Sudan are Arabs; the truth is Sudanese are not Arabs..they are Africans of different ethnic groups just happened to love religion of Islam, and that is fine but I don't have to be Arab muslims. also problems when you exposed you arabism on Africans, that is true. We can't fit to be Arab just being Jews. Politicians use it as to get Power,that stuck in Sudan,it breaking up in piece
what does thier ethnicity have to do with the language they speak.they got influnced & YES mixed with arabs just like egyptians moroccans ( who are mostly barbars mixed with whites) and many more examples!! Stop being a dumbass and get the point. Rerdless of thier ethnicity, Many ppl speak arabic in sudan as thier mother tounge! it is intersting to c how the language mixture came about. sTOP BEING A DUMBASS and puke ur own identity crises in a topic that has nothing to do w what ur saying!
I kept replying but you idiots don't get it. Ethicity and Language is same thing dummy. don't deny ur fuckin popular attitudes in which we are fucking yo all up, understand Masterminded? pples not occuping 1/3 of Sudan claiming to take majority stayed. Anyways, can you tell me which dialects used to be spoken in Khartoum before Arab invasions, stop bullshitings know the truth. Arabic don't make u arab u loved to allied with. You Arabs brought it up in Sudan, y ain't important? don't reply.
no text book, ppl's looks, traditions, food, DNA analysis will convince u that majority of the north sudan mixed with arabs(& some r almost 100% arabs & didn't mix that much like all of aljazeera arabs). bec abviouly u have some sort of thnicity crises & hence u identifying ur whole self as an Afric referring to a continant that over the years encompased all kinds of race migrations & demographic changes. ur resentment to all of these migrations r clear calling ur self true afric!
TruAfric I am a Sudanese Arab a Ja3alyah because my father is a Ja3ali and yes we are Quraishen Arabs originally mixed with Nubians my Mom on the other hand is a different mix between Turks and Palestinians and to tell you the truth I am more proud of being a Sudanese Ja3alyah because we descend from Al3abaas whether you agree or not I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT,
Being half Nubian doesn't contradict with being Arab because accoring to Arab traditions your bloodline comes from your father and our fathers were Quraishen Arabs!
I can agree with u of being Sudanese African Muslims. because Arab is not a race, Arabs were desert wanderers of Europeans, Africans and Mongols of Ancients time.All of u r AFricans but confused by religion which We don't have problems with, denying who u r is gravely. the invaders subjected local africans pples into islam and cultural assimilations,changing of local tribe names into Yemeni, Masria,so forth. Don't u know Semitics and Kushites can only be found in Africa and few in Europe(jews)
TruAfric we have reasons to be proud of both our heritages the Nubians and the Arabs but because our fathers were Arabs that makes us Arabs the Nubian and bejah of the North and East Sudan are also proud of their Nubian origin and so are the Dinka of the South Sudan is not just the largest Country in Africa but also the most diversed...Diversity is what makes our culture rich and vibrant and that is what I love about Sudan
I just tricked u guys, that being Quaishiy. the truth is there weren't no Original Arabs but Maurs and Abesinians, all original Africans. I m Dinka, ask ur self where does Dinka or black tribes in Africa from? There is human networks mixing but No one can claimed exactly polarized without the Blacks. Middle Eastern Sheiks who invaded N. African in three phases 245BC, 1397 and 1710 transmit their cultural traditions and religion on Sudanese. interwined with entrepreneurship of goods and slaves
Brother first of all I would like you to know I'm more proud of being a muslim than me being Arab or any other race and you are wrong Arabs are a race they are "semites" like hebrew jews and we are Quraishen go read the History of Sudan please to see were the Ja3alyeen clan originated from nevermind this KUSH was Black Africa's Earliest Civilisation Historically in Sudan and South Egypt,
"KUSH, Kingdoms on the Nile" between The Sudan and Egypt highlights some of the rivalries and grievances which have been smouldering since the twilight of time before Abasinians. the kushite people were the Nubian and bejah of Sudan the Abasinians are distantly related to the Kushites not the other way around "Taharqa" who died in 664 BCE. and was buried in Nuri "Located some 400 km north of Khartoum, in Sudan
He was king of Egypt, and a member of the Nubian or Twenty-fifth dynasty of Egypt. His reign can be dated from 690 BC to 664 BC. the son of Piye, the Nubian king of Napata who had first conquered Egypt, and the younger brother and successor of Shebitku.
He was refered to in the Bible as the Abyssinian king Tirhakah, king of Ethiopia, who waged war against Sennacherib during the reign of King Hezekiah of Judah (2 Kings 19:9; Isaiah 37:9) and drove him from his intention of destroying Jerusalem and deporting its inhabitants—a critical action that, according to Henry T. Aubin, has shaped the Western world.
damn you sudanese who are just want to be arabs .... and when u go to any arabian country, they will call u niger (3abd) no matter what part of sudan u coming from
that doesn't make them more or less arabs wheather other "arabs" who also have a white complex accept sudanese to be arabs or not. this moron was trying to change facts to suit his complex. most sudanese ppl of north sudan R mixed with arabs wheather ppl like it or not. They r very influned by arabic culture& therefore they have deep rooted & intersting mixture of culture arab, nubian, coptic,hell even turkish(am 1/2 turkish and u would be surprised how much uve got in common with the turks.
Iam the harshest critic of sudani ppl that r selfloathing.I know sudanese ppl have a complex about thier ethnic beckground, some try to pretend that "arab sudanese" r as "arabic" as the saudi. Some argue since arabs don't consider us arabs we're going to claim we're not arab at all.We r what we r more or less mixed to various degrees w arabs.we have an amazing nubian culture that should be our pride. Most important, we should embrace the other 60% of our ppl that have forever been marginalized
"alfangari" it's wrong that people use this word no matter what race you come from and most civil people won't use it, only a few who are uncivil you will find those even in Sudan when most of us and I don't say all because not all of us are black personally I'm not black though I have Nubian origins too!
I don't know what"Alfangari" word meant? take it back 2 urself. take it like this caucasion, Negro, Mongols and Australiods,where does Arab race u proud of came from? I think to be civilized that is y I talked about the insensitive issues. Afrikan were quiete for some times in Sudan 2 give open and righteousness a chance. but that didn't stop the confused attitudes eventually creating wars causing many 2 to look back to their identities. u can't be Nubian and not black. so think about it.
TruAfric if you took the time reading all the comments before yours you would find a youtube user "alfangari" I was replying to him not you so please you take it back, I don't know of any meaning for his word why don't you ask him ..LOL TO BE CIVILZED?? nevermind to answer your question Arabs are semites the same race jews are you don't nead to be quite my brother talk freely you are absolutely right NUBIANS ARE AFRICANS Afica is not a race it's a CONTENANT!
Is that civilized? but what kind of civilizations r Northern Sudanese claiming? wearing jalabaya,chewing sawoot and herding livestocks. I m comfortable to b uncivilized African than being Arab. I don't dare and never would I and We go ur way. Just do what u Do, or if we may over ran u in future than join ur Arabs,Iraq, Jordan,Syria, Saudia, Iran because they r closing and related t u than we do here in Darfur, Gaderef, South Sudan and Blue-Nubia Mts. Ask ancients Kemetians 2 know mor,
THE ONLY CIVILIZATION IN SUDAN A VERY ANCIANT ONE IS IN THE NORTH go cry all you want I don't care you are one big sociopath and instead of telling me arabs didn't do much tell me what did you do hypocrite you draged us into civil wars for decades and you just can't stand to live in peace and develop your underdeveloped part of the country you want someone else to do that for you????
R u kidding in the North is Ancient? Now, I got u, read! Civilization that u saw in North wasn't done by Arabs Dummy, Pyramids and Cities undergrounds were built by African before Invasions that topples the kingdoms. 2 think about ur achievement, you might have to look to Mesopotamia and Medina were ur one side ancestors lived,understand. We didn't dragged u in war it was ur creations. u can't control the fuckin govt,and expect us to eat stew.We would have done it like other afrinations rem 1972
Who said anything about the arabs building the ancient kush civilizations it was the Nubians from the North too but what do you have to do with it you are not a Nubian on the other hand I am a Ja3aliyah Jaalyeen google them this is a Nubian Arab tribe on one side they were kushites on the other related to Quraishen Arabs the war was our creation? how's that?! since independance and we had war with you that you started so tell me how was it our creation I don't get it,
I m Nubian, right? Nubia is Bantu ethnic AFricans who last split with Nilosaharans less than 1,000 years. remember, we were been crossings in each other tribes more than u think before Islam introduction, times changed that time Dinka wasn't Dinka, it was federations of African pples living savannas called themselves Monyjaeng means man of Men because of their bravery.
Haaahaaa, Sudanese Arab real historian? if u tell other historians. they will laugh at u. Don't confused Nobien Kushites of Southern Egypt with Nubians of Kordufan whose their line of blood and Greater Kingdom prospered just before Arab foriegn invasions, Dinka are Nilosaharans the larger that can b found East AFrica, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Mozambique, South AFrica,Angola, Namibia, Chad, Mali, Nigeria, it alot to name a few, they used to lived along the Nile before spreading. I knew it.
I didn't said it,some pples not u thought so and insult by not having historic evidences like the Merowe city sites. Starting from Egypt and all North AFrica was home to this Dark skin pples like seeing today in South, Darfur and Gaderef.
I neva heard of Nubia Arab, I only knew Kushites. war was ur creations because if u would have listen and respect Addis ABaba Agreements, Sudan should have been rule by United Federations without deepening the Conflicts. South is goin away, Darfur and others.
Well I wasn't part of that government or the government now but I would hope that this peace signed now lasts for your sake before mine it was over your land and many of your people were displaced because of the war it's time to rebuild now and let's forget the past
Do u know what it is? inhumane damages has already been done to its fullest, I don't neither do we think Peace treaty was for our sake,it a draw. What do u think if We were still in war or might have go back at this time? It was actually fought in our lands but remember we expanded it 2 u too especially in the East,Kordufan and even Khartoum itself. We r not like Darfurians,infiltration is achievements on all sides from West, East and South. Weapons we all have superior to do the Jobs,
TruAfric the ones in the South were not angles and they have killed many of the arab tribes misaryah and Baggarah who lived with you for centuries and even after the peace signed they are denied access to water in bahr alarab have you ever wondered why it was named bahr alarab?!
Even if we fought Misaryah and Baggarah, It wasn't our fault, they geared to hate South because of religion although they r majority closed blood 2 Dinka brotherly xtinged tribes. Also, Bar el Arab is Arabs creativity it called Kiir River in MoDinka language first arabs wait there to exchanged goods with Africans, that how it got its name. They r denied because they r used against South ,to invade Dinkaland Headquarters Oil rich Abyei areas 2 North territory, they r armed by the govt get ova it.
that's right they are your cusins like we are the cusins of the Nuba, if they shared the land with you for centuries like you said why deny them now I don't get it first look at your own faults before picking on others
I deny em becoz of their believes that Sudan is Arab majority that they r Arabs instead of truth, How some ethnic group came to my land, expecting me 2 accept the confused assimilated minds from distance violence driven group 2 b part of my identity which I ignored for years but neva stop. I can b comfortable to let em b who they want to b.
You didn't give us a chance to prove ourselves good or bad during the British occupation borders with the South was closed we had to take permission from the British to get there and when they left yiou started rebellious against the government and back then it had no orientation anyway thank the Lord that horrible war is over now there is peace and the vise President is one of you now prove to us that you mean business it's your chance to show us what you got!
not because it was closed, It has neva easy for foreigners to enta, it was refuge from outsiders since Invasions of North Sudan even British didn't established nothing, their fuckin Christainity leak thru other AFrican border countries.We like em, understand? brother 2 tell u the truth, I don't think the war is over' if Darfurians and Port Sudan natives r still being kill on daily basis. VP rank u thought impressed us will cost you endless wars, remember AByei,Nubia Mts,and Blue Nile plus Darfur
forigners not Sudanese you are right the British only cared for keeping Islam off from entering the South on while missionaries were hard at work if only those people in Darfur would negoshiate there would be peace and the people of the East btw not only the Bija also Rashayda 100% arab but those in the East agreed to negoshiate you have to know all parts of Sudan was long neglected not just one part not bacause of ethnicity but because of decades of poverty
امشي ي بتنا السودان بكرموك وبعزوك ,,,ابشري تب ما بجيك عوجه
nados14all 6 months ago
so jews and arabs are black men?
DJVM95 11 months ago
For those that don't know there would be no Arabic or Hebrew with out its African roots, So an African speaking Arabic is just speaking her child tongue so to speak.
yixxt 1 year ago
you are cute:)
behellit 1 year ago
i'm a sudanese girl and speak arabic and one day hope to go back and help my people the ones WHO ARE DYING IN THE HANDS OF WRONG LEADERSHIP THAT CALL THEIR SELF TRUE LEADERS. i love my counrty no matter how hard is it to live in sudan
susan755 1 year ago
Can you tell us more about those transmission of ideas? It's a fascinating topic.
gary7466 1 year ago
not audible
marykaylady1111 1 year ago
in the south this kind of arabic that you're speaking no one will understand.only people who have been in the north would.
sudanesgal 1 year ago
you suck
Kommandant10 1 year ago
there r many arabic dialects. and all of north affrica is arabic speaking. including sudan and eritrea. and besides many muslims in west africa learn arabic even tho the country doesnt have it a sa national language. i kno gambians who learned arabic as well nigerians. so arabic is everywhere.
zelem92 2 years ago
@zelem92 I'M A GAMBIAN AND I SPEAK ARABIC SO FLUENTLY. SO WHAT IF SOME OF US LEARN ARABIC? WHA DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS ABOUT US?
ridim2007 1 year ago
yo Arabic is part of the afro asiatic family languages. so arabic is a native language to northeast africans.
snoop213D 2 years ago
i would do her
PrinceZukoMarley 2 years ago
wat the hell, is there's a really sudanese arabic?
yousifhela 2 years ago
Yes there is , I,m southern sudense who speak arabic abd studied arabic at school.
dibakheit 2 years ago
The people who say Arabic isn't and African Language are dumb. Arabic is spoken in a lot of countries in the African continent. Even French is spoken in a lot of former French colonies, it is an African Language as well. It doesn't have to originate in Africa to be an African Language.
emnets1 2 years ago
I think you can make your point quite adequately without profanity. It just negates whatever point you are trying to make.
izziewizzie08 2 years ago 8
i wish you the best you doing good i wish i can help i,m good with speeking it
samandt 2 years ago
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fuck you bitch, Arabic is not fucken African language got it. watch your muther fucken mouth to use that language as African language. u fucken such a looser whore.
annegale 2 years ago
oofft, all that for such a tiny matter?
einstienear 2 years ago 4
you're right arabic was never an original african language! And I don't know why these fucking schools are teaching people that aribic is an original african language this is not true!
menace10100 2 years ago
WTF is wrong with you people? It's spoken in Africa these days. Who cares if it doesn't originate in Africa???? Besides, it originated in a place that is geographically extremely close to Sudan. Settle down!
AHumbleNarrator 2 years ago 4
oh shut the hell up and stop trying to mix arabic with true african culture. Stop trying to distroy our culture an history with your garbage language from arabia we don't need it or appreciate it! That's all white people like to do is try to conquer people and lie about everything!
menace10100 2 years ago
Yes, those are my two favourite hobbies.
AHumbleNarrator 2 years ago
@menace10100 what are u talking about sudan speaks arabic all of north africa dose. and before u call me a white devil are something im a nubian from sudan
michele1elzubeir 1 year ago
@michele1elzubeir you're not a true nubian you're a faggot!!!! Don't reply to whatever I post okay white washed bitch!
Salaam Alaikum lol
menace10100 1 year ago
@menace10100 man there somthing wrong with u im also nubian and yea we seak arabic in sudan
flaminknight 1 year ago
@menace10100 Your out of your damn mind.
flaminknight 1 year ago
your ignorant u did not even hear wht she said at the begining and besides the ARABIC spoken in AFRICAN COUNTIER is a fusion of the local languages with ARABIC IDIOT!!
so some 1 from middle east wouldnt understand some 1 from SUDAN
GrandHustle247 2 years ago
ummmm.. actually they would..
while sudanese arabic IS a fusion of local languages with arabic, the contribution from local languages is almost negligible... the main difference is pronunciation which is easily overcome
05nsxt 2 years ago 2
@GrandHustle247 look im sudanese i can speak sudanese arabic and everyone from middle east can understand or arabic some words are not the same but for the most part its same laguage. its like an american speaking to some one from england. the hardest dialect arabic to understand is moroccan because its mixed with french, spanish and some native languages
michele1elzubeir 1 year ago
@menace10100 loisten ARABIC IS AN african language. i forget which one it is but one of these two. (AFRO SEMETIC ) (AFRO ASIATIC).. its Origins are from East africa nORTH EASTERN TO BE EXACT. THE Ancient Kingdom Kush HAD A LANGUAGE CALLD geez!! which they used inturn to develope the Arabic language... simply put in laim man turms. Even Hebrew can be considrd a Native African language as the Same Ancieent Kushites deloped the dialects and txt for the "Jews" justb as the did for the ARABS THAKS
GrandHustle247 1 year ago
I posted two videos. I am looking for any language that exists in my mind. Ignore the laughter.
journeysolo 2 years ago
Kayfa 7alouki oukhty?
PrinceNoirAmericain 2 years ago
yes there is OIL in sudan ,,you are american ,,,believe i never meet a american who speak another language,,,and i never meet a american who was vacation overseas,,,if he was overseas then he was in war or messionrey
adeel37x 2 years ago
Thanks for the Insults,
I would like you come over HERE in Sudan, for a while and see how things really are.
then we can talk about all the beautiful things you mentioned.
rabassi11 2 years ago
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yes go and learn sudanese,waste your short precious life in learning rubbish
rabassi11 2 years ago
listen here u ignorant stupid ass italian..go make ur dmn pizzas and shut the hell up!!!
sudanese is not a language!! sudanes epeople speak ARABIC! so shut the fuck up u dumbass!!!
our culture is rich with beautiful culture and exotic nile beauty...wide beautiful eyes long dark hair and a body to die for..so where the hell do u come from?
italy my ass!
ur shit country!!
markee871 2 years ago 3
take a course in linguistics and see what the people who've been studying languages for years have been saying. Sudan has over 100 languages. And the arabic spoken there might be unintelligible to a syrian or saudia arabian. if two people cannot communicate through language they are not speaking the same one.
figliudoru 2 years ago
I dont need courses you scumrat!!
I AM SUDANESE!
100%
and what?
markee871 2 years ago
Figliudoru
دا كلامو صاح يا ود عمي انت بالرجالة ساي داير تبقي السودان بتكلم عربي؟ إنت سوداني صاح مافي زول مغالطك لكن داير دروس كتسرة عشان تحاور الناس في مواضيع زي دي ما تقوم نفسك ساي وإيتفيد من الناس العارفين خلي التكبر
soshaba 2 years ago
this is not sudanese but arabic the old language of sudan is nubian it is similar to lubian(libyan berber) and egyptian
Tamazgha2959 3 years ago
when i mean skin tones i mean some are dark but not blaaack, and theres nothing wrong with being dark im just giving out facts. so dont disrespect my country we are proud people and have never been forced out of our country or enslaved unlike your grandfathers who were shipped to america.
planetofdaapes 3 years ago
you are so ignert about the subject,thier gandfathers were force to b slave dude,and proud of what in Sudan are u joking are u joking
IshmaeloObamaGED 3 years ago
Sudanese Arabic is the closest to the quaranic arabic its the most pure arabic by that asssesment
richbullva 3 years ago 5
LOL make sure to post a video of ur self speaking sudanese that would be hella funny
Khvito75 3 years ago
oh that's nice ,, sudanese Arabic is pretty much like the normal Arabic , it just that we have our own words defining other meanings . like you can say (shino) which means (what) i would really love to help if you needed anything , anything at all , text me .
salam alaikom :P
hamada247 3 years ago
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80 percent of African-Americans have European mixture. Yet they dont go around calling themselves Europeans. Sudanese and Afro-Latinos are brainwashed that Arabs and Spanish are superior to Africans so they call themselves Arabs and Hispanics rather than African. They think by calling themselves Arabs and Hispanics means their ancestors werent ever slaves. And they go around killing and discriminating against their own African people while the Europeans laugh at how stupid they are.
tontonosi 3 years ago
first of all the only slaves that are taken from sudan are from the south and black africans, look at moroccans and tunisians most of them are from french/european origin, i am african and proud to be arab thats why sudanese people have different hair, skin tones than other africans, our ancestors are originally from arabia, arabs spread out from the gulf all the way to north west africa, so get ur facts straight before you talk shit about my country.
planetofdaapes 3 years ago
You say you are Arab? So what about Ethiopians and Somalis? They don't speak Arabic but I know a Sudanese man from khartoum who looks like an ethiopian. He told me himself when he was in Ethiopa he got mistaken for Habesha. I have a Sudanese brother here in the U.S. that Ethiopians see him and talk to him in Amharic. They get angry at him and say he is denying his culture. Could you explain what makes you Arab besides the language?
MaineHED 3 years ago
yes arab and african, northern sudanese tribes such as ja3liya and shaygia are of african and arab heritige, like many other arab countries are mixed with all kinds of different blood eg. arabs, turks and african etc. bottom line we are all sudanese. there is no such thing as a pure arab except if you are from yemen.
planetofdaapes 3 years ago
Right arab is not about blood is about sharing same culture history hopes ! Long live Arabs long live Africa . An Algerian
manticorex5452452 2 years ago 2
@manticorex5452452 THE OTHER LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD ARE NOT ABOUT BLOOD EITHER IF THAT IS THE CASE WITH ARABIC, AND YOU ARE ENGLISH IF THAT IS THE RULES BECAUSE YOU SPEAK ENGLISH. FALACY!!
ridim2007 1 year ago
Good interest Cristy i wish u good luck
Zo0oL89 3 years ago
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fuck u
Najwa6767 3 years ago
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fuck you, Arab lootie
Somebody06 3 years ago
u should study sudanese arabic and when u speak it make a video.... booo!
stylezzzz 3 years ago 8
yeah most of sudanese speak arabic but its different than other Arabs some Arabs can't understand our accen but we do understand all other Arab ne way pround 2 be sudaneze
ZeUndertaker15 3 years ago 4
That's cool!!!
MeeMeeSatti 3 years ago 2
hello young lady, i am thrilled by ur study and i will b glad to help ya as well, i just live 1 hour flying from ur school, i am 26 year sudanese who r excell sudanese arabic
thanks for ur study n good luck
eslamiat 3 years ago
TruAfric we will never agree on anything seems to be this converstation is invain I just hope you don't get a stroke with all that hate you have for arabs!
hajghaith 3 years ago
Thank , I didn't invites u nor am I interested in fake Arab wanabes fabrication of nation history. when recklessly sent mailed first
TruAfric 3 years ago
I didn't invite you I answered your false claims and playing with history is what you are doing not me tell me what are your sources??
hajghaith 3 years ago
who first wrote 2 who?
I can't figure out how you gonna understand it while I can see you well over other side of the Red Sea. Absolutely, No way you can accept it because you didn't understand what I have been trying to tell you. a little bit. In the beginning of existence of Africans all of them were along the East of Nile from Nile Delta to Nimule, understand. nothing ignorance and lie can add to my life, truth must be told.
TruAfric 3 years ago
like I said I wasn't inviting I was answering your claims ok give me a historical reference I'm tired of hearing only your opinion
hajghaith 3 years ago
I am just getting very mad now of accusing me of praying with History, and whose history is it?
First middle eastern pples came to Africa to form first interracial pples of Afrosiatic descends, can still b found in many North, central and East African nation today, they are muslims and not Arabs, don't suppressed Africans like in Sudan and don't lookdowns Africans, they knew It is roots. Black Africans intermarried with other races,kids remains Africans. Whose history am I fabricating?
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric in the begining I told you I was equally proud of being African and Arab I personally never looked down to Africans and I don't think any Sudanese do aren't we African too I'm tired explaing how can someone be arab even though say his Mom not his greatgranma was not if a Saudi today marries an American woman or an ethiopian woman what is his children going to be the answer is saudi and arab our case is the same the children of the american woman will also be american and the ethiopian?!
hajghaith 3 years ago
No one told you you have to be arabs be who you want and one more thing the Government fought SPLA and SLA they did not fight people they fought rebels who also have weapons supplied by forgin countries who don't wish Sudan to ever develop or rise you wish to continue killing the baggara and Myseriah only because they say they are arabs this is racism from your part let them be who they are it's non of your business!
hajghaith 3 years ago
U just said SPLA,SLA rebels, but remember in Sudan not only that rebels u said would b the end. Baggara and Misiriya r being used, but one day they will come to read Black book. pained em way u like it, b Arabs, Asians, or whoever. Of course, we didn't practiced racism to make Sudan rise as it is today. I know u guys would end up saying that next half century. In south, I remember heard someone dying of strokes....we saw devils in progress.
TruAfric 3 years ago
Aha... "the black book" what kind of book is that a hate breeder wrote it to cause racial and ethnic conflicts in the Sudan this was his intentions SORRY BUT I DON'T TAKE THIS FOR A REFERENCE!
You are so full of it TruAfric hate is a serious "Serious Disease" you are so confused and you don't have a clue what you're talking about you think the Nuba of Aswan and Halfa or Dungula are not the real Nuba why because they are muslim or because they are not black enough?
hajghaith 3 years ago
Did I said anything against em dummy? your r the ones who confused running from Arab to Nuba, from Nuba to Arab I don't recall ur position. I said facts and stand beside them. I m not denying Nuba, Abeja, or renamed collectiions of ancient clans their nativity,what I don't like is ur dillutions of Arab. And this is what u were asking 2-3 days ago. There is nothing called Black Book cloon! it is wisedom gains from genuine Africa historic perspectives.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric you keep name calling me and I refuse to lower myself to this level please mind your language that's uncalled for I thought you were more civilized?
hajghaith 3 years ago
These words come out of frustrations of seeing my pples getting kill everyday in Darfur, South Sudan and East. I don't how do you want me to consider you, the same depending the evil doers, called themselves Arabs in Sudan. Did I called you Arab? I know u r Jalyehan African blood connection is there, Read Late Muhamed Taha books about Arab versus African.....to really see few ancestral of Jalyehan. I am surprised to see you insists on Jalyehan direct descend of Arabs.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric the people killed in Darfur are both Afgrican and Arab tribes what all have in common is Islam it bleeds my heart to see muslims kill each other more than you you only feel for one side because you think you relate to one side more that the other I feel for both sides I relate to both the bond of Islam is closer than blood bond but I just want you to remind how all this started and who are the ones refusing to nesiate peace?
hajghaith 3 years ago
Yes Jaaliyeen descend from arabs I read many books about this the late Muhammad taha book one of them I have another book writen by the late Alfahal Alfakih Altahir read it I also have my own family references and all that basicly inforce my beliefs that we are without a doubt Arabs ok let's not go there, why are you objecting on us being part of the Arab league we are in the AU we are the heart of Africa and we have great numbers of Arabs too our first language is arabic
hajghaith 3 years ago
Being part of the arab league does not take away from us being African and not every country in the arab league is 100% arab so why shouldn't we be one?
hajghaith 3 years ago
Not all Jaaliyeen descended from Arabs, believe go back and check pples identity. even u being Arab and well behaves like humans is not our complains.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric I really don't understand what you are trying to say but I think we spoke about this long enough now I really don't care what you belive but thanks alot for the compliment if that's what you ment and I'm sure most people in the north share my views :)
hajghaith 3 years ago
Did you ever been to south before war? people are loving. uncertainty of me not advising you to go south is clearly known, atrocities which had happened are unspeakable, some families had been wiped out. anger exist, so go and be be very carefully. pples shared your views are your ethnic groups, that's all.
TruAfric 3 years ago
No I never been to the South and I wasn't borne before the war it's been like how long 50 years or so look I really think it needs to stop it's non-sense if you ask me people in the South would do better if they focus in rebuilding and education the South have many potentials and could be the envy of all Sudan if developed and please we don't hate you stop hating us
hajghaith 3 years ago
Read World news from last week. South is rebuilding as speedy phase like no another country recovering nation in AFrica. South is still the envy, getting education of South Sudanese is#1, it might not be Arabic but Kiswahili. you sound like we r still fighting, no we r not since 2002. Sudan is fighting with Darfur. talkin of hating or loving is individually. not Govt of South Sudan.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric Sudan economy have a growth rate of 10% which is a miracle for all we go through the highest rate in the world whether I like our government or not this is a fact and Nation wide we have always had a good educational rate now rising to 61% from originally less than 40% this is great acheivment as well considering the Civil war and decades of poverty
hajghaith 3 years ago
I m telling you, it could be more than that especially if u included uranium, golds and copper in South Sudan. finger point 2 waled al bilads, their unwise thinking is root causes of all problems.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric the South have gold and the East have gold the South have oil and now even the North and West we have been told is rich with Oil we only started there at the border of the South to invest an already discovered Oil wells since the 80's it was found just not invested back then but believe me they have found out that Sudan is a large Oil Country almost everywhere in Sudan there is oil it will take a long time to get all the Oil out and millions of Dolors to invest in it but,
hajghaith 3 years ago
if we all stopped fighting and put our hands together Sudan may be the worlds richest nation and the wealth could be evenly distributed and there won't be one poor man in Sudan but we can't do that when we are killing each other
hajghaith 3 years ago
that is right, now remember when I or any southerner talk of 2 millions pples including old, women and children getting kill. don't think is something heart-throbbing humans can experienced without rooting or cut rope tied pples together. Kiir got no choice without Pressure from International,war haved break out this year, believe me. He is not afraid of nothing, his pples had already been mutilated, burn alive, and war captured were murdered in cold blood, that is an act of cowardness.
TruAfric 3 years ago
you said the real Nuba were the Jibal Alnuba not the ones in Aswan or Halfa what does that mean??
you also asked me
"if one ur great great parents was black African Bantu(Nubian)then y Nubian r overlooked?" first Nuba are not "Banto" they are "Kushites" that is a different "ethnicity" OK! and my answer is no our great granmothers and not long ago my grandmother from my fathers side is "Mahasiah" Nubian I don't over look that we are both Arabs and Nubians!
hajghaith 3 years ago
that maybe confusions in spellings of Nobien and Nubians. North Sudan is well mixed groups of pples from Afrosiatic of Kushites or Bantu, Nilosaharans, Voltaic and Fangs. their blood is interwined. but Arabs in our face is not thing to put up with. overlooking I was talkin about is truly clear to everybody. whoever looks Arabs or Kushites regarded themselves Waled al Bilad not Darfur, Southerners. govt favored one side and that is what I considered overlooking
TruAfric 3 years ago
get real they speak Nubi they live where the ancient Nuba always lived and they look like the Nuba in the historical drowings they even live the same life stile with many habits from the ancient ones you have such a way of twisting facts
hajghaith 3 years ago
what the fuckin u talkin about?, speaks,live,habits,drowings....what shits are those? talking of drawings, tell me more about it. Don't u know that the same historic pples moves downward to avoid repercusions? Majority of pples populated North Africa and Sudan in Particularly moved to other parts of Africa, check the great migration of 1400 fool, what u knew? you should try to reconsider checking Egypt chronicles-history to c how pples and livestocks looks like to get facts
TruAfric 3 years ago
there you go with name calling again ok Mr. Smart guy the Egyptians look exactly like the Pheros and I mean the Farmers in "Sa'eed" they are brown not white like the ones in the North who mixed with Romans and Greeks later in history!
hajghaith 3 years ago
Exactly, All Africans are not Blacks as many thought although the core was blacks, all r regarded as one race, Why common features unites or classify race. The nose, lips and teeth, remembers Berbers, Maurs, Semites, Kushites, Hamites are still look in their original forms, all r brothers to me. I knew whites clans came recently during Roman Empire. U r right about farmers of Sa'eed and that makes their history not to cheated to Arabs or White Hellenists. they r Egyptians part of black ethnic
TruAfric 3 years ago
yes some common features and some differences as well but let's not go there at the end Adam the father of all humanity was black the word Adam means very black in the Arbic language so all humanity started from a black man I really don't mind being black if I were but I'm not even though I have black ancestral Nubians so let's not clasify people based on skin colour or anything all that is nothing what matters is ations and good conduct
hajghaith 3 years ago
I just feel sorry for you you could've had a perfict life finished University instead you let hate control you only because an ignorant old man called you a dirty name I get picked on almost daily where I used to live because I looked different arabic to be specific so did I let that pull me down did that fill me with hate no I kept going and achieving more success because I was wise enough not to waist my time and energy hating I think you are doing more harm to yourself that you realize
hajghaith 3 years ago
That was then before I went overseas to study J.D, had more Prowess than what you might have with ur Dad, to say the truth. I don't luv 2 talk alot about it,it is materials and over 90% of my South pples are dying everyday, let me b humble. narrow minded infant I shouldn't have wasted my time with. This is Blogoshere where many conflicting issues are discuss
TruAfric 3 years ago
Well I'm happy for you that you have made a change in your life I wasn't getting personal but hey how much personal can it get when you think you can tell me who to be or not to be "wanna be's" in your way of seeing things if any of our great grandparents is African that make us African and I agree we are both African and Arab don't even try to suggest we are not Arabs because that isn't for you to say we didn't deny we are African and will never deny we are Arabs is that clear?!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I m not denying you ur Arab ancestral, I opposed Sudan being an Arabic Nation, understand? I kept sayin it, don't get it. Ok, it is u who have Arab great great grandparents not me, nor Darfurians, Beja, even Nubians who r educated and clearly knew the history. I don't not brothers and sisters I opposed policies. AS you knew Black Africans are the backbone of this Nation. Did we once tried to make the Nation Africamaniac?
I don't want confuse religion with pples, did presidents did it so?
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric great so we can agree at last that my ancestral fathers were Arabs what does that make me? in Arab tradition that makes me arab but I 'm also african and btw in case you didn't know arabs are semites maybe the closest relatives to Africans considering they descend from Egyptian Hagar and Hebrew Abraham their Egyptian mother is a close net not just to the Africans in general but to us Nubians speciallly Nubians and Egyptians are the same race!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I know y u can't deny African blood...because that is what you look like "Black" the Arab side is assimilations to cultures and religion which was long time ago implemented in whole North Sudan Afrosiatic which completely like Blacks in the West. Let me ask you, possible that we all Arabs? I am just saying the truth, I can not force you 2 b who u wanted to be, There is freedom of individual.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric Islam was not implemented it is what the people of the North wanted for the most part and those who didn't wish to become muslim no one forced them they are still christian or whatever and btw not all the Northn thik of themselves as Arabs the Arab tribes are the majority but some are not arabs they have their own language and cultures still intact no one is forcing them or you to give up who they are, tell me is anyone forcing you to be an arab TruAfric?
hajghaith 3 years ago
I m not religious fan, believe me. when Islamic Arab first Khaliffats come to Sudan, Do you think they were coming with groups of Arab? NO, pples living here thousand of years were converts and intermarried with New arrival Arabs, that is I can't say all of you r Arabs or Africans, but look. you living in Crazy World where you don't know who is truly your friends, Successive Arab Sudan presidents didn't think that matter until now.mix Arabs are protesting and that is only opening window for peac
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric we have peace now and last time I checked Silva kiir is our vise president
hajghaith 3 years ago
Being Vice after what? long civil wars for more than 40 years. although SPLA fought for that position,yet it is still invalid. He just hold down to let South decide by themselves 2011. No one dare in South love that position puppet, why not Presidency? Real vice President is Taha, one who organized 300 juntas to overthrow Sadic Mahdi.
TruAfric 3 years ago
I care for all Sudanese whether in the North East West and South brothers and sisters in Nationality and for their sake I would love for the peace to continue but the way you look at it only the dinka shuluk nuwair and other southern tribes "original" and deserve to live in the south not baggarah not myseriah only because they are "wanna be's" like you call then even though they are your cussins and you don't deny this but you can deny them water and let them starve?!
hajghaith 3 years ago
We don't hate these tribes to come to South,but what they consider as their common Policies of Total impose Islamic cultures of putting pples in classes. not only are Southerners or Black AFricans in particularly not welcome in Khartoum they r treated badly on daily basis if not their ancient cradle land leave alone countrymen. That is y if no equality of presentation, opportunities and Justice, then what is a point of welcoming whoever feels home in Khartoum to enjoy the same in South?
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric you can argue about who is Arab and who is not all you want I won't agree with you but I'll let it passbut you and I both know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of Sudan are muslims right? and one more thing don't we have fedral laws you don't have Shareah laws in the South and Shareah laws is not applied on non muslims!
hajghaith 3 years ago
Yes, but that does not change Kushites and Africans into Arab. but that statistic is argubly. I know why you think so, because that is what you and colleques had been fed since birth that you r majority can do anything, had all previledges that put Arabs and with their servants on top of real owners like Dinka, some tribal names were also changed due to the same approaches into Quranic names to impress, that not my problems, Muslim or Christains or native religions.
TruAfric 3 years ago
I agree we are different and that is a good thing not a bad thing the more diverse we are the more rich and vibrant our culture is let's just respect each other and not fight over stupid things
hajghaith 3 years ago
Yeah, but does governing idiots understand? watching TV portraying Islamic cultures,paying little or none attentions to Africa was part of roots cause of civil wars both in Darfur, East and even South. We know is very very good thing. What can we do, Since Arabs or let call them muslims long objected.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric all Sudanese are tired of Civil wars including our governing, I don't recal us objecting being African as well as Arab but maybe you object on us being Arab?
hajghaith 3 years ago
who objected who, we objecting u for sure, kidding? don't let come back to what we discussed. Who control the govt? back 1920s South, Darfurians educated use lobby for better presentations of their regions, that was like telling fairly tales, again 1955 When British was about to leave south keep lobbying,again ignored the wisers.1972 after Anya Anya1 peace,also violated by Nimeri Ok, use common sense; Judge by yourself. you made strong tolerance pples of South left with nothing but guns.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric let me ask you how old are you I wasn't borne back in the 20's or 50's and I was a child at the 70's but you seem like we were there all this time LOL ok first of all you can't blame us for what the British did they were occupying us and you, and Nimeri who's not Arab btw he was Halfawi=Nubian "original" like you like to clasify people and how long was Nimari gone? today we have a new peace treaty on the table signed by both the South and North!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I know about Nimeri, don't like to talk about him, He was under pressure to do the will of majority which really blew up.
TruAfric 3 years ago
It's funny how you can excuse Nimeri only because he wasn't arab and say he was under pressure by who the majority? so who is this majority the arabs? it's even funnier how we are the majority sometimes when you like and are not when you don't like LOL
hajghaith 3 years ago
Im Eastern Dinka or Bor if that interested you. well mannered and rule by law of respect & intelligency pples. Since you r badly wanted to be an Arabman, so Do I to my blood lines. You try to isolate me from pples you(Arabs) don't respect. I am also concerned and sympathic to Darfur, and Eastern Sudan Kushites of Handawai, Beja.
TruAfric 3 years ago
"Northern pples violence loving pples of greeds", "It is appropriate to keep rotten eggs in its nests"?? Aand you still have the nerve to take about "law of respect& intelligentcy pples", "well mannered"?? TruAfric throughout this conversation that lasted for days you have intentionally insulted me and my people unevoked you showed a great deal of hate and ill will if most people of the south have your ill manners are as discourteous as you are then I think it's best for all of us to separate!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I disrepected the disrespectul pples, understand? You kept depending ur pples who r coward reactionaries nation of many ethnics. Yeah,u believed me now.r kid that don't know shit about suffering of southerners. You did insulted me alot if u really look back into your posts sir. I m ashame to discuss.... Bye Bye
TruAfric 3 years ago
All I said about Dinka is that I admire them so much and everytime I am being nice you return that with your rude insults stop lying hypocrite
hajghaith 3 years ago
Please don't confuse Darfur with the South, those two struggles have different couses let me ask you one more question where are you from originally what city?
hajghaith 3 years ago
I m not talkin where am I from in South, These sufferings are my ethnic groups like you and some other Arab tribes in the North, that look identical and share the same blood lines and cultures. I don't think that long Arab divide and rule tactic would work here b/t me and u. let be honest.
TruAfric 3 years ago
Haj, frankly speaking. Northern pples r really violent and they will continue to fight if South succeded, that is not a lie. violence loving pples of greeds.So, sharing the same nation is slim and nonexistence. It is appropriate to keep rotten eggs in its nests. all cultures prospered in harmony where no some guys from some villages woke up one day, thinking of overthrowings of President, respect for each others is #1 before expanding it.
TruAfric 3 years ago
I will be greatful if I get aquinted to you ...and may be you will learn alot about sudanese language.
abualsan 3 years ago
Im ready, but anyways, I don't think anyone could teach me. I was born in Wadi Halfa before civil war started. Sudan had been consumed by Ignorance and short sighting, it will be great to mutual understanding from either sides.
TruAfric 3 years ago
Im sudani, We don't have Sudanese Arabic. We got Arabic Creole. It ain't Arabic. some mix sort endangered Afrikan languages and Merchant Arab languages. it sound really weird to Arabian ears, but we communicate with effectively. learn real Arabic, not Sudanese Arabic. cause We are not Arabs but Afrikans.
TruAfric 4 years ago
the matter of fact you can't say we are african niether arab " we could be the best african, but we chose to be the worse arabian" Francis Deng. African don't accept us because we don't accept them, but we're running after arabin who ignoring us all the time. If you stick with "Sudanese" I think that;s better.
Sudanese citizen
atifarbab 4 years ago
that is true
TruAfric 4 years ago
TruAfric,your are right, that we are not arab,we are african with alot of differencies between us,but we all sudanese , but you cant say the sudanese arabic, is not arabic, it is 100% arabic ,no one can deny that even arab themself, im from the north and arabic is my frist language, i believe is not waired to arabian.
nihal03 3 years ago
Arabic Creole? what the hell is that?! There is such a thing as sudanese arabic, just as there is egyptian arabic, moroccan arabic and so on...And speak for ur self bro..but alot of us sudanese are arabs...It's not weird to arab ears because they understand us perfectly...Its arabic from the western sahara that isn't understood...We speak arabic in sudan and the dialect is sudanese!
Colomade13 3 years ago
until u come 2 justice, and stop ignoring the truth. So, Arabic language is of different countries like Egypt, Moroco, Yemen, Somali, Western Sahara,Uganda,Angola, Senegal, Mauritania, Iraq! don't u see(what really what they hell is?). That is hoax, We learned other languages of pples who coloniazed us but never same. get back to ur feet and relearn what Ancient real Sudanese were before replyin. I m speaking of myself without leaning to West, Middle East or far East.
TruAfric 3 years ago
are you stupid most sudanese are arabs mixed with africans ...
kaaamalk 3 years ago
what are you talking about? what does the question of ethnicity (assuming that sudaese ppl are not arabs) have to do with the spoken language?
debaterose 3 years ago 3
Did you really understood "what I was talking about?" u bringing ethnicity! of course, since Northern Sudanese considered themselves. I would hesitate to choose side I want to depends. We Sudanese aren't Arab period. doubt go back to 13th century pples who use to lived in present day Khartoum were mostly Black Africans. if you liked arabic as we saw already assimilated ,then Go ahead to be Arabs but truth will remain unchanged.
TruAfric 3 years ago 2
hey look everybody is entitled to thier own opinions but not to thier own facts..I know of PLENTY of arab tribes in sudan with arab culture features and most important of all Language...People like Shygih..7assaniah and many more only speak arabic. Your argument doesn't even make freaking sence.. Regadless of the ethnicity of that 40% of sudnese who describe themselfes as arabs they still speak freaking arabic. Or are going to claim that it isn't true too?
debaterose 3 years ago
I agreed, Shigia, Hassaniaya or whatever else you knew were assimilited and renamed just as Darfur was about 2. I kept my Original Native and that is a problem 2 yo all wanabees. the First Arabs came and easily mixed with Afrosiatic groups like Hamites, Semites, Kushites and Nilo-Chadic pples like South, East and Darfur, eg is last group of Rashid Arabs now siding with Beja and Afar against dummies. not the same Arabi original arab Karysh tribe(Mohamed tribe) speak,doubt. make more research.
TruAfric 3 years ago
what "arab" country speak the same arabic as is was without other language influences to it? Some sudanese ppl (about 40%)r mixed with arabs.They liked the arab culture (probably bec they liked islam so they assimilated & identifies themsefs as arabs & arabic was pwoerful enough that it dominated thier native languages. (obviously not the case for nubians of the north who mixed but they deny it bec they r proud of thier ancient heratige).
debaterose 3 years ago
let me quote u sayin assuming. Ok, all Sudanese are Arabs, right? Darfur, Eastern and Northern tips,South Sudan are Arabs; the truth is Sudanese are not Arabs..they are Africans of different ethnic groups just happened to love religion of Islam, and that is fine but I don't have to be Arab muslims. also problems when you exposed you arabism on Africans, that is true. We can't fit to be Arab just being Jews. Politicians use it as to get Power,that stuck in Sudan,it breaking up in piece
TruAfric 3 years ago
what does thier ethnicity have to do with the language they speak.they got influnced & YES mixed with arabs just like egyptians moroccans ( who are mostly barbars mixed with whites) and many more examples!! Stop being a dumbass and get the point. Rerdless of thier ethnicity, Many ppl speak arabic in sudan as thier mother tounge! it is intersting to c how the language mixture came about. sTOP BEING A DUMBASS and puke ur own identity crises in a topic that has nothing to do w what ur saying!
debaterose 3 years ago
I kept replying but you idiots don't get it. Ethicity and Language is same thing dummy. don't deny ur fuckin popular attitudes in which we are fucking yo all up, understand Masterminded? pples not occuping 1/3 of Sudan claiming to take majority stayed. Anyways, can you tell me which dialects used to be spoken in Khartoum before Arab invasions, stop bullshitings know the truth. Arabic don't make u arab u loved to allied with. You Arabs brought it up in Sudan, y ain't important? don't reply.
TruAfric 3 years ago
no text book, ppl's looks, traditions, food, DNA analysis will convince u that majority of the north sudan mixed with arabs(& some r almost 100% arabs & didn't mix that much like all of aljazeera arabs). bec abviouly u have some sort of thnicity crises & hence u identifying ur whole self as an Afric referring to a continant that over the years encompased all kinds of race migrations & demographic changes. ur resentment to all of these migrations r clear calling ur self true afric!
debaterose 3 years ago
TruAfric I am a Sudanese Arab a Ja3alyah because my father is a Ja3ali and yes we are Quraishen Arabs originally mixed with Nubians my Mom on the other hand is a different mix between Turks and Palestinians and to tell you the truth I am more proud of being a Sudanese Ja3alyah because we descend from Al3abaas whether you agree or not I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT,
hajghaith 3 years ago
Being half Nubian doesn't contradict with being Arab because accoring to Arab traditions your bloodline comes from your father and our fathers were Quraishen Arabs!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I can agree with u of being Sudanese African Muslims. because Arab is not a race, Arabs were desert wanderers of Europeans, Africans and Mongols of Ancients time.All of u r AFricans but confused by religion which We don't have problems with, denying who u r is gravely. the invaders subjected local africans pples into islam and cultural assimilations,changing of local tribe names into Yemeni, Masria,so forth. Don't u know Semitics and Kushites can only be found in Africa and few in Europe(jews)
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric we have reasons to be proud of both our heritages the Nubians and the Arabs but because our fathers were Arabs that makes us Arabs the Nubian and bejah of the North and East Sudan are also proud of their Nubian origin and so are the Dinka of the South Sudan is not just the largest Country in Africa but also the most diversed...Diversity is what makes our culture rich and vibrant and that is what I love about Sudan
hajghaith 3 years ago
I just tricked u guys, that being Quaishiy. the truth is there weren't no Original Arabs but Maurs and Abesinians, all original Africans. I m Dinka, ask ur self where does Dinka or black tribes in Africa from? There is human networks mixing but No one can claimed exactly polarized without the Blacks. Middle Eastern Sheiks who invaded N. African in three phases 245BC, 1397 and 1710 transmit their cultural traditions and religion on Sudanese. interwined with entrepreneurship of goods and slaves
TruAfric 3 years ago
Brother first of all I would like you to know I'm more proud of being a muslim than me being Arab or any other race and you are wrong Arabs are a race they are "semites" like hebrew jews and we are Quraishen go read the History of Sudan please to see were the Ja3alyeen clan originated from nevermind this KUSH was Black Africa's Earliest Civilisation Historically in Sudan and South Egypt,
hajghaith 3 years ago
"KUSH, Kingdoms on the Nile" between The Sudan and Egypt highlights some of the rivalries and grievances which have been smouldering since the twilight of time before Abasinians. the kushite people were the Nubian and bejah of Sudan the Abasinians are distantly related to the Kushites not the other way around "Taharqa" who died in 664 BCE. and was buried in Nuri "Located some 400 km north of Khartoum, in Sudan
hajghaith 3 years ago
He was king of Egypt, and a member of the Nubian or Twenty-fifth dynasty of Egypt. His reign can be dated from 690 BC to 664 BC. the son of Piye, the Nubian king of Napata who had first conquered Egypt, and the younger brother and successor of Shebitku.
hajghaith 3 years ago
He was refered to in the Bible as the Abyssinian king Tirhakah, king of Ethiopia, who waged war against Sennacherib during the reign of King Hezekiah of Judah (2 Kings 19:9; Isaiah 37:9) and drove him from his intention of destroying Jerusalem and deporting its inhabitants—a critical action that, according to Henry T. Aubin, has shaped the Western world.
hajghaith 3 years ago
damn you sudanese who are just want to be arabs .... and when u go to any arabian country, they will call u niger (3abd) no matter what part of sudan u coming from
alfangri 3 years ago
that doesn't make them more or less arabs wheather other "arabs" who also have a white complex accept sudanese to be arabs or not. this moron was trying to change facts to suit his complex. most sudanese ppl of north sudan R mixed with arabs wheather ppl like it or not. They r very influned by arabic culture& therefore they have deep rooted & intersting mixture of culture arab, nubian, coptic,hell even turkish(am 1/2 turkish and u would be surprised how much uve got in common with the turks.
debaterose 3 years ago
Iam the harshest critic of sudani ppl that r selfloathing.I know sudanese ppl have a complex about thier ethnic beckground, some try to pretend that "arab sudanese" r as "arabic" as the saudi. Some argue since arabs don't consider us arabs we're going to claim we're not arab at all.We r what we r more or less mixed to various degrees w arabs.we have an amazing nubian culture that should be our pride. Most important, we should embrace the other 60% of our ppl that have forever been marginalized
debaterose 3 years ago
"alfangari" it's wrong that people use this word no matter what race you come from and most civil people won't use it, only a few who are uncivil you will find those even in Sudan when most of us and I don't say all because not all of us are black personally I'm not black though I have Nubian origins too!
hajghaith 3 years ago
I don't know what"Alfangari" word meant? take it back 2 urself. take it like this caucasion, Negro, Mongols and Australiods,where does Arab race u proud of came from? I think to be civilized that is y I talked about the insensitive issues. Afrikan were quiete for some times in Sudan 2 give open and righteousness a chance. but that didn't stop the confused attitudes eventually creating wars causing many 2 to look back to their identities. u can't be Nubian and not black. so think about it.
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric if you took the time reading all the comments before yours you would find a youtube user "alfangari" I was replying to him not you so please you take it back, I don't know of any meaning for his word why don't you ask him ..LOL TO BE CIVILZED?? nevermind to answer your question Arabs are semites the same race jews are you don't nead to be quite my brother talk freely you are absolutely right NUBIANS ARE AFRICANS Afica is not a race it's a CONTENANT!
hajghaith 3 years ago
Is that civilized? but what kind of civilizations r Northern Sudanese claiming? wearing jalabaya,chewing sawoot and herding livestocks. I m comfortable to b uncivilized African than being Arab. I don't dare and never would I and We go ur way. Just do what u Do, or if we may over ran u in future than join ur Arabs,Iraq, Jordan,Syria, Saudia, Iran because they r closing and related t u than we do here in Darfur, Gaderef, South Sudan and Blue-Nubia Mts. Ask ancients Kemetians 2 know mor,
TruAfric 3 years ago
THE ONLY CIVILIZATION IN SUDAN A VERY ANCIANT ONE IS IN THE NORTH go cry all you want I don't care you are one big sociopath and instead of telling me arabs didn't do much tell me what did you do hypocrite you draged us into civil wars for decades and you just can't stand to live in peace and develop your underdeveloped part of the country you want someone else to do that for you????
hajghaith 3 years ago
R u kidding in the North is Ancient? Now, I got u, read! Civilization that u saw in North wasn't done by Arabs Dummy, Pyramids and Cities undergrounds were built by African before Invasions that topples the kingdoms. 2 think about ur achievement, you might have to look to Mesopotamia and Medina were ur one side ancestors lived,understand. We didn't dragged u in war it was ur creations. u can't control the fuckin govt,and expect us to eat stew.We would have done it like other afrinations rem 1972
TruAfric 3 years ago
Who said anything about the arabs building the ancient kush civilizations it was the Nubians from the North too but what do you have to do with it you are not a Nubian on the other hand I am a Ja3aliyah Jaalyeen google them this is a Nubian Arab tribe on one side they were kushites on the other related to Quraishen Arabs the war was our creation? how's that?! since independance and we had war with you that you started so tell me how was it our creation I don't get it,
hajghaith 3 years ago
I m Nubian, right? Nubia is Bantu ethnic AFricans who last split with Nilosaharans less than 1,000 years. remember, we were been crossings in each other tribes more than u think before Islam introduction, times changed that time Dinka wasn't Dinka, it was federations of African pples living savannas called themselves Monyjaeng means man of Men because of their bravery.
TruAfric 3 years ago
Nubia are not Bantu they are Kushite go do your research even Dinka are not banto what's the problem you don't know who you are LOL
hajghaith 3 years ago
Haaahaaa, Sudanese Arab real historian? if u tell other historians. they will laugh at u. Don't confused Nobien Kushites of Southern Egypt with Nubians of Kordufan whose their line of blood and Greater Kingdom prospered just before Arab foriegn invasions, Dinka are Nilosaharans the larger that can b found East AFrica, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Mozambique, South AFrica,Angola, Namibia, Chad, Mali, Nigeria, it alot to name a few, they used to lived along the Nile before spreading. I knew it.
TruAfric 3 years ago
I didn't said it,some pples not u thought so and insult by not having historic evidences like the Merowe city sites. Starting from Egypt and all North AFrica was home to this Dark skin pples like seeing today in South, Darfur and Gaderef.
I neva heard of Nubia Arab, I only knew Kushites. war was ur creations because if u would have listen and respect Addis ABaba Agreements, Sudan should have been rule by United Federations without deepening the Conflicts. South is goin away, Darfur and others.
TruAfric 3 years ago
Well I wasn't part of that government or the government now but I would hope that this peace signed now lasts for your sake before mine it was over your land and many of your people were displaced because of the war it's time to rebuild now and let's forget the past
hajghaith 3 years ago
Do u know what it is? inhumane damages has already been done to its fullest, I don't neither do we think Peace treaty was for our sake,it a draw. What do u think if We were still in war or might have go back at this time? It was actually fought in our lands but remember we expanded it 2 u too especially in the East,Kordufan and even Khartoum itself. We r not like Darfurians,infiltration is achievements on all sides from West, East and South. Weapons we all have superior to do the Jobs,
TruAfric 3 years ago
TruAfric the ones in the South were not angles and they have killed many of the arab tribes misaryah and Baggarah who lived with you for centuries and even after the peace signed they are denied access to water in bahr alarab have you ever wondered why it was named bahr alarab?!
hajghaith 3 years ago
Even if we fought Misaryah and Baggarah, It wasn't our fault, they geared to hate South because of religion although they r majority closed blood 2 Dinka brotherly xtinged tribes. Also, Bar el Arab is Arabs creativity it called Kiir River in MoDinka language first arabs wait there to exchanged goods with Africans, that how it got its name. They r denied because they r used against South ,to invade Dinkaland Headquarters Oil rich Abyei areas 2 North territory, they r armed by the govt get ova it.
TruAfric 3 years ago
that's right they are your cusins like we are the cusins of the Nuba, if they shared the land with you for centuries like you said why deny them now I don't get it first look at your own faults before picking on others
hajghaith 3 years ago
I deny em becoz of their believes that Sudan is Arab majority that they r Arabs instead of truth, How some ethnic group came to my land, expecting me 2 accept the confused assimilated minds from distance violence driven group 2 b part of my identity which I ignored for years but neva stop. I can b comfortable to let em b who they want to b.
TruAfric 3 years ago
You didn't give us a chance to prove ourselves good or bad during the British occupation borders with the South was closed we had to take permission from the British to get there and when they left yiou started rebellious against the government and back then it had no orientation anyway thank the Lord that horrible war is over now there is peace and the vise President is one of you now prove to us that you mean business it's your chance to show us what you got!
hajghaith 3 years ago
not because it was closed, It has neva easy for foreigners to enta, it was refuge from outsiders since Invasions of North Sudan even British didn't established nothing, their fuckin Christainity leak thru other AFrican border countries.We like em, understand? brother 2 tell u the truth, I don't think the war is over' if Darfurians and Port Sudan natives r still being kill on daily basis. VP rank u thought impressed us will cost you endless wars, remember AByei,Nubia Mts,and Blue Nile plus Darfur
TruAfric 3 years ago
forigners not Sudanese you are right the British only cared for keeping Islam off from entering the South on while missionaries were hard at work if only those people in Darfur would negoshiate there would be peace and the people of the East btw not only the Bija also Rashayda 100% arab but those in the East agreed to negoshiate you have to know all parts of Sudan was long neglected not just one part not bacause of ethnicity but because of decades of poverty
hajghaith 3 years ago