Red Bull secret of the speed - movable front wing F1 Germany 2010

[owenoo124]

if you notice the renault which is yellow and that tells us that this video is taken on the 2010 red bull and in that season the front wings were adjustable by the driver from his steering wheel for more/less front downforce.

[SchoolofLuke]

Red Bull: "It gives you movable front wings."

[765media]

Uh sorry but its basic suspension compression under braking from forward weight transfer. Same thing every car does under braking. The wing is moving up in relation to the suspension, just like your front bumper does on your street car when you brake.

[Master1906]

@765media You seem to come to the assumption that the wing is not connected to the front of the car. Weight transfer increases load on front suspension, wing technically should go down proportionally to the suspension travel?

[765media]

@Master1906 Yes, sorry you are correct. My point is that the wing is not bending, it is moving with the car from weight transfer.

[letmesnitch]

when he breaks the camera/point of view moves slightly. keep hating

[DragonMaster937]

when he breaks the wing mooves

[goklien365]

full of cheat even now

[nightwatchmansifrarg]

that´s because at high speed the downforce is really high, and the wing curves down, when the pilot brakes there are less downforce because the car´s speed is less and the wing returns to his original position. thats because the wings are a little bit flexibles

sorry for my bad english

[uk2008uk]

@nightwatchmansifrarg there not ment to flex , to this degree under fia ruling, hence why it was investigated soo fully

[Bushby23]

The wing is moving, but funnily enough it passes all homoligation tests making iit legal in the first place.

[Euclides287]

Cheaters!

[MyTennis2009]

It was legal to move the front wing back and forth one time under one lap in 2010.

[fedtmuleerik]

Its not the wing moving, its the front suspension that is compressed during braking..

[fedtmuleerik]

Its not the wing moving, its the front suspension that is compressed during braking..

[suprememikewhat]

Thats the front wing dipping under braking not a flexing wing but yes they have got one and mclaren should be top :D

[SuperColossal33]

i thought each driver was permitted to change the wing angle once and then back again per lap.

[LeJimster]

Lol I can't believe people don't believe the wing wasn't bending.. It was bending so much on certain tracks that it was scraping the floor. Ferrari managed to get their wing to flex in the 2nd half of the season too. All the other cars wings didn't flex at all.

[AndZzo101]

you should now that the suspension is moving cause of g-forces under braking. so it also increase this visuel effect to much..!!!

[leguitarist35]

they arent movable, they are bending due to the downforce they create.

[adminsubnet]

It is the suspension moving not the wing.

[ValoXXIII]

First at all, dont forget the pressure to the suspension and the buffer of the frontwheels when breaking down. Every normal Car does make that "goin' down" effect while standing hard on the Breaks.

Of course, the Wing got Movement. But its aint the Wing, Its the whole Nose whats going down by highspeed. And thats the Fact why its legal. There`s no Rule from the FIA that the Nose isn't allowed to be flexi. Its Just a Genius Idea by RB and Ferrari. They found another Gap in the F1 Regelment.

[reganam69]

@ValoXXIII Do you know why other teams are finding it hard to copy?

[VandevenneWim]

isn't it normal when the car is at high speed, the wind goes over the wing at high speed!! So there is more pressure on the wings, so they are lower to the ground, it's as easy as that.

[grumm70]

@VandevenneWim

no it isnt to move anymore than 10 mm

[maegges01234]

you would see this on every car: the whole front of the car goes down when your on the brakes. everybody should know that from his car.

[BlindingBlizzard]

Just watched them talking about it on BBC iPlayer and sure enough while watching onboard with Webber it was plain as day. Clever really, its all within the regulations.

[andrejbartko]

Yea, sure, illusion :D.

[evilhank666]

lets just face it... Adrian Newy is the man!!!! He figured out a way to use aero load on the front wing to move the air somewhere else at speed. dont you wonder why RBR were soo slow in bringing an f-duct, cause they dont need it, they got a whole nother bag of tricks then everyone else in the paddock.

[drapz77]

@evilhank666 Yes he has become my fav engineer.

[liveonscreen]

It´s not moving. Here you can see a before and after comparison. there is no change. it´s just an illusion because we cannot see the whole car. gpgames.eu/index.php?page=Thre­ad&postID=50836#post50836

[TruenoSk]

@liveonscreen

/watch?v=vR07o6yIegg

but it is the movement of the whole wing, here's seen better.

Red Bull has to be the start of the season. Ferrari came out when the Red Bull wing broke at Silverstone.

[drapz77]

@TruenoSk It is moving, there is no question. BUT as of now it is deemed legal. The other teams have so design work to do to catch up. What bothers me more is that McLaren and Ferrari were forced to change their wings that did this in 2006. FIA is very inconsistent.

[wodney69]

@liveonscreen i dissagree, i belive this video illistrates the car at high speed on a straight slowing down for a turn and likewise the wing flexing as the speed increases and decreases etc. I think engineers are very clever these days with how they test parts and still be complient with the FIA rules and this could be one of those situations

[liveonscreen]

@wodney69 of course the car is slowing down. But: Did you take a look at the illustration I linked to? The lines are horizontal.

And of course you are right. engineers are very clever so I´m sure this is compient with the rules - if it´s moveable or not ;) It´s the same with the new f-duct. That was also a great idea matching the rules.

[NateDawg80126]

@liveonscreen In hungary it was really obvious, as soon as they hit the brakes for turn 1, the wing came up significantly because of the lower speed, and as it sped up, the wing would slowly lower.

[beyblader10171]

@liveonscreen

what BS are you on about, take a look at other videos

[JoeGraham11]

@liveonscreen Look at it in relations to the nose then! It is moving.

[yellowspindles]

That's not the wing moving - it's the whole car lifting as the aero. load comes off at the end of the straight. Relative to the camera, the suspension drops, making it look like the wing is moving.

[txtmstrjoe]

@yellowspindles The suspension and the chassis look to be completely immobile, no matter how many times I've seen this video as well as others of the RB6's front wing from onboard cameras.Also, if the suspension is the explanation for the movements we see, the wings should move further away from the ground under acceleration, and closer to the ground under braking. Why? Weight transfer under acceleration/deceleration.

I'm not saying the wings are legal; I'm saying the susp is not the explanation

[yellowspindles]

@txtmstrjoe

F1 cars don't suffer like typical cars, from weight transfer induced dive during braking. This is because their center of gravity is at virtually the same height as the wheel centers. In fact, if the center of gravity was below the wheel center height, the nose would rise slightly under braking.

The effect of aero. loading far outweighs any weight transfer effect in a F1 car, with approx. 200kg (440lbs) of downforce generated by the front wing alone at speed.

[yellowspindles]

@txtmstrjoe

So, as the car slows from maximum speed, on a straight, to take a hairpin at very low speed, the total aerodynamic downforce goes from hundreds of kg, down to virtually zero, hence unloading the suspension and allowing the car to rise.

[yellowspindles]

@txtmstrjoe

HOWEVER, the amount of rise of the nose of the Red Bull is far more than would be expected from a conventionally sprung car. It is my belief that they have found a way to effectively reduce the spring rate of the front suspension under aerodynamic loading, without affecting the spring rate that each individual wheel suspension exhibits under normal cornering and bump loading.

[yellowspindles]

@txtmstrjoe

Read from bottom up:

[nineteen1972]

yep it moves cheating basts there all cheating at something to be number 1 i'm getting sick off it i may just give up watching f1 all together bernie can ramit

[Molinman]

@nineteen1972 A certain moving range is allowed. It seems huge in this video, but the FIA now (25th July 2010 aka "today") calls it legal, so it's not cheating. Using your knee for operating an F-duct smelled like cheating as well, but the law defines what's right.