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  • Hey, I liked it alot.. Maybe a little too quick but the stance is obviously there!

    I wonder about some of your forward horses, why so wide just out of curiosity?

    my other question is your latest videos are of jiu jitsu and grappling, did you leave your dragon style because you didn't feel it covered grappling distance self defense?

  • @Kippest - wide stance: something to be improved upon.

    i never left Lung Ying, i still practice. a lot of Lung Ying is takedown and defense, however i started BJJ because i wanted to be able to work on the ground. and it's fun to spar!

  • sounds good, I'm sure you've improved alot since the video of 2006!!!

    I just wasn't sure if the wide stance was a part of the system, you never know.. I've seen a few systems practiced in real life that have variations on the horse stance

    and about the BJJ, that's cool. Wrestling wwas always my favorite sport as I wrestled from the age of 3 thru teenage years (my dad wrestled his whole life and is still a wrestling coach), that was always a rush to pit yourself against another

  • I think you do it too fast... do it slowly, take the time to do the mouvements in order to develop your energy ;)

    But this form is very funny!! <3

    I'm french, excuse my bad english xD

  • too fast? that's funny.

    so why is the footwork poor?

    and why did you watch it again if you didn't like it?

  • will somebody please post dragon form applications please?

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  • Your dragon style is good, but it's no match for my sleeping fairy style!

  • Well done friend. I am a fan of dragon style and I enjoy this form! Keep up the good work! Peace...God bless

  • thats second form first form is sup luk dong (16 step)

  • this is 2nd form

  • Very good Lynlee!

    Are you still riding and training those Warhorses?

  • really, 'dragonmist'? hmmm, I thought i'd seen most Lam Yiu Kwai lineages doing this form quite similarly. care to share yours? or at least what you think is different about this one?

  • nice, but i swear the first one is sap luk dong (16 step)

  • sap luck dong is the form Lum (meltdawn's teacher) started me on. There are definitely parts of this form I recognize from sap luk dong. The linear forward walking (including all hands) and the 180 degree turn with the outside arm outstreched, preceding the body in a strike. This in no way discredits meltdawn regarding this being sarm tung. It just means the forms, as he was taught them, share some linear walk (which isn't really that strange if you think about it).

  • They have a curriculum now? Awesome, when I did this we started with a different form and Lum was having a hell of a time regurgitating the forms as he was originally taught them. Is Lynn Lee still kicking ass? I hope so. Good luck keeping your eyes level and your spine straight. I like to imagine an enemy when I practice. Its give you insights into the possible applications of the different hands

  • still don't have a curriculum...hehe.

  • Awesome form, excellent execution. Definitely from dedicated training and persistence.

  • Are you serious? You fight in whatever you're wearing. If this guy likes wearing jeans then he should learn how to fight in them. Its not likely that he will be dressed up for a demo when the shize hits the fan. Do you wear that silly little outfit everywhere you go? You probably do. Just keep your negativity to yourself.

  • thank you for saying it. it's like carrying around your staff rather than using the pool cue that's on hand. i am pretty sure that clothes do not a master make.

    great job bij, you rock.

    cheers

  • I agree about the clothes, but I you SHOULD know how to make a weapon out of a pool cue rather than only familiarize yourself with a weapon you practice with. What I was saying was are you really likely to have that staff or your silkies on when you get in a situation. Be prepared for anything and know how to make a weapon out of your surroundings. Bright light can even be a weapon if it is to your back, blinding your opponent. Bad footing can be a weapon if you drive your opponent to it.

  • This style looks very hard. I was born in the 1988 year of the Dragon.I can't diside which fighting style is best for me.

    Also, I want to learn how to fight with a bo staff.I do it on my own but want to be traind to use it.

  • i learn tiger style in china =]

  • Great form, dragon is a very powerful form, please don't listen to the pretentious imbeciles who say things like kung fu doesn't belong on the internet... this is something to be shared

  • To be specific the form he is doing is not dragon form. He is doing a form from dragon style kung fu which has many forms of its own. Lung Ying Jing Jung (Dragon Style) is pretty obscure so you probably have only seen dragon forms from other styles. This video is a gem because you rarely see this style performed.

  • this must be venice

  • man i bet thats could kick some serious ass.

  • nice vid, im also learning this style in my kung fu school

  • Kudos good form good execution keep on the good work dude pvm me am myself lungyin student.

  • the intent was good, the form was good, but clearly lung ying is not supposed to be on the internet.keep it to yourselves lads.

  • he grags his feet too much. Legs bro, then work your way up. Good technique though

  • I think he is supposed to drag his feet somewhat, which shows that his back heel is not coming too high off the ground.

  • yeah you are right it is a good way when you first start to keep your feet to ground and train your calves and whatnot. But as your progress you should be able to flow and slide. cool though.

  • True.

  • this kid is pretty good. a little weak with stances and footwork (i.e. the c-ctepping and step-drags) but impressive none the less. (nice hand speed). i'd love to see his teacher do this form.

  • about the vid, aren't i supposed to see characteristic loose waist rotations when a dragon attacks? or was it u were doing it real fast...

  • his gung fu is very good and his masters kung fu is of the highest level...

  • it looks kinda stiff

  • you seem to be able to do some pretty good moves.

    Though i do wonder who named that style "dragon". heh

  • no offence meant to the practioner but, i hate seeing white people perform kung fu, i am white and i study kung fu myself which is pretty conflicting for myself, but it just seems to me that a white man never moves with the same grace as a chinese man, i dunno it just doesnt seem right when a white man does it.

  • You should give up kungfu then. In fact stay as far away as possible.

  • your maybe right, i have been thinking about that for a while, but i love kung fu so much....

  • In that case you need to get over your racism issues, or you'll have some serious problems.

  • fuck off seriously.

  • lol, wtf? You make racist comments and tell ME to fuck off? If you love kungfu, you'll have to get over the BS white man inferiority complex you have. Otherwise, you'll never be any good. Your training will be mentally fucked for the rest of your life. Racism is a big enough problem in the martial arts community without you contributing to it.

  • no, im not even kidding now, you are bothering me, mind your own business, if you were serious about martial arts you wouldnt be wasting your time.

  • uh, X why dont you find a style that suits your body structure and physical attributes. something less graceful and more to the point. there are many out there that are no nonsense and highly effective and not "pretty"

  • maybe, but i love kung fu, thanks for your advice.

  • i was referring to kung fu.

  • oh, i thought you were talking about switching to krav maga, or something.

  • to XIPM3: europeans and africans tend to be stronger and bigger anyway. the need for tactical defense is lessoned for those ppl. so if u think u cant do kungfu, think of urself as already being an effective fighter :) (relative to an asian who has beginner's training)

  • that was the absolute dumbest thing i've ever heard. take that back. but it was still incredibly dumb.

  • i felt the same way and it really sucked  which style do u practise?

  • wing chun.

  • i think quan styles like wing chun, jeet kune do and northern shaolin suit white ppl just modern wushu looks kinda weird practised by whites

  • that was from the Hakka style of Dragon Fist I study it that was rushed with too many mistakes, I hate to criticize, he needs to relearn the from and do it right.

  • so if you hate to criticize, then why are you? who do you study with? where's your video? did your master not teach you how to respect your brothers and stick together as a family?

  • Or, maybe, he is just trying to promote something he believes in. When people find something that is fulfilling for them, they want to share it to help others be fulfilled as well.

  • hes got a point you should of told him that privately in good standing with your extended family. things such as this do kung fu an injustice. i hate people like that in my kuen, its like they are dysfunctional and potentially dangerous with their ego trips.

  • I learned Praying Mantis in Taiwan and PR China, I learned Mandarin there, it is my second home

  • yeah tang lang kicks ass

  • i know exactly what u mean but u`ll get used to it and you should never give it up

  • thanks :)

  • perhaps it pertains to the attitudes used when performing the movements. perhaps the white culture (and I say this only in reference to your statement) concentrates to much on the fighting while the chinese see the forms as more spiritual. Also, it seems that many of the modern practioners don't cocentrate on flexibility as much and therefore look stiff.

  • i am the most flexible one in my class, and i abhor violence.

  • well then maybe he just needs more practice. fuck, just because one guy isnt graceful doesn't mean somebody else cant be

  • Good job! I'm not very familiar with dragon style, but I thought it showed really good energy, speed, and strength :)

  • I like your form very much. It shows fluid, reptilian movements instead of power oriented strikes that show you are no novice.

    After reading baklungyi's comments, I see that he has lost the humbleness of this martial art that was built so long ago.

  • Great Sarm Tong. Solid and agile horse steppings. Your kwa is very loosen up with power, and that shows the years of training. Glad to see people in the U.S. are truly dedicated to Kung Fu and acquired the real skills. Please post more to share the Dragon spirit to the community.

  • nice to see Lung Ying Kuen up in here.

    Good effort!

  • This is wonderful. I am dragon as well. I see the differences in your teaching which intrigues me. Its very good to see another student of the art.

  • hmm..? look like you lean too much... unbalanced.. hey.. still good

  • What performacne level is this particular video considered : poor- no true principles reflected in performance; novice; basic movements but no real technique with still much to learn; good - solid movement and technique exhibited; advanced - all movements, techniques and principles portrayed in excellent fashion; or - other - you describe. This question is primarily for the poster, but welcome any response from those of knowledge of this form and art. Thank you.

  • I don't know lung ying style, but I know a couple of Bak Mei forms, and the two styles are said to be similiar... I think this form would fall in the advanced category as you described above.

  • It is very fast, little power, the fists don't seem to be held tight at impact point. The footwork is not accentuated.

    Lung Ying focuses on power. Bak Mei focuses on speed.

    The whole body should be used in stricking moves and the footwork should be completed just as the hand(s) strike.

    Positively classified this form is a Long Ying form performed with the Bak Mei speed but in a Tai Chi spirit.

    Negatively classified this form is a lazy dragon with little power, running through the form.

  • Baklungyi, thank you for taking the time to post your comments. Please allow me to respond.

    "It is very fast"

    It is fast, thank you for the compliment of my classmate.

  • "little power"

    Power is not manifested by big or obvious movements; that is the beginner's way. Power is manifested by smooth coordination of the entire body. If your eye is trained, you will see power in the smallest of movements. If you have just a basic understanding of power, perhaps you will need a Choy Li Fat punch to see it.

  • "the fists don't seem to be held tight at impact point."

    The video is not high enough res for you to see his fists and make that assumption. This practitioner hits a sandbag every day for at least an hour.

  • "The footwork is not accentuated"

    Do you mean to say exaggerated? Footwork in the beginning level forms is to teach the body the mechanics of the leg/waist/kwa movement. That's why the angles depart from the center line instead of approaching it. Perhaps the few movements that you see, which may differ from your own forms, are minor interpretation, by a practitioner who has moved past the beginner stage. Heels are down, feet are flat, glides instead of lifting and dropping his feet.

  • "Lung Ying focuses on power. Bak Mei focuses on speed."

    We don't practice Pak Mei. We practice Lung Ying. Our practice is not lacking in any area concerned with the fighting aspects of the art. I am not sure why you made this comment.

  • "The whole body should be used in stricking moves and the footwork should be completed just as the hand(s) strike."

    Agreed. And they are. Complete means the hands start IN FRONT of the ribs, go all the way out to hit, and come back to that. Dok jong, chum jerng. Ask your Sifu. And this comes from the feet, which only need to step ½ and inch to generate power. And the feet only need to move ½ and inch to change an angle.

  • "Positively classified this form is a Long Ying form performed with the Bak Mei speed but in a Tai Chi spirit."

    Why would you assume Lung Ying doesn't have the speed of Pak Mei? The two use different methods, Pak Mei focusing on some specific methods whereas Lung Ying trains them all. This does not mean Dragon lacks speed. Also, Tai chi and Lung Ying BOTH have M Hung. Ask your Sifu. You are not looking at Tai Chi here. You are looking at Dragon.

  • Bak Mei = Much shorter and faster movements

    Lung YIng = Much bigger therefor slower movements

  • LY is long and short. Circles are big and small. The more advanced the less you will see some of the circles if at all. LY is not slow. Your understanding is very basic, almost textbook like and not empirical.

  • Not true. If you really think a style can only promote either long or short movements you must fight like an automaton and probably get hit alot. If you have truly grasped FIGHTING then no matter what style you should be able to adapt strikes to be long or short depending on the situation. Long to counter short. Short to counter long. Always break your opponents rythm. This is a basic principle of martial arts and is useful when practicing any style.

  • this was in reference to baklungyi

  • For sure, Tai chi retracts the stepping foot completely before extending it again. Although Dragon does not use circular walking in the sense that it is used in Baugua it does use a circular motion of the foot to change direction of the linear walk. And from what I remember of Dragon, it is VERY FAST as well as hard and I don't think Pak Mei, or any style for that matter, has a monopoly on speed.

  • "Negatively classified this form is a lazy dragon with little power, running through the form."

    Insulting your own family is not exactly the way to climb the ladder of respectability. Why don't you go ahead and ask your teacher if he would insult the hands of Lee Fat and Lam Lop Gei?

  • Did not mean to get you worked up. I was playing the devils advocate, stating what people may think watching this form.

  • I get worked up about someone within Dragon opening their mouth in a negative way about my hands...my teachers hands, my sigungs hands. again, who is your teacher? when i go back to HK i want to know who i am sitting with.

    'devils advocate' is a way of back tracking from what you said. next time have the balls to stick with what you say, or keep your mouth shut.

  • I was stating both minds. Why? Because I could not figure out if your form was very good or not.

  • again, you are dragon, so am i. if you have something you want to critique, then contact me directly. if you have a question, contact me directly. honestly, this is not something to be aired publicly. again, my problem is that you are in the same family taking a shot in public...i wouldnt care if you were choy lay fut, tong long, tai chi, etc. whatever.

  • whos your teacher?

  • With all due respect... Are you suggesting that Bak Mei is all speed and no power? The Bak Mei I was taught focused on power. Besides, how do you classify power and how can you see it on a video? What do you mean by Tai Chi spirit?

  • With speed you have power. Tai Chi spirit = relaxed.

    Power is transmitted with tension at impact.

  • lung ying is hard and soft. mass X force. relaxation allows for faster movement which equals greater force upon impact. not all hits are 'tense' either. again, your understanding is rudimentary. lung ying is no good without the soft, but the progression is from hard-soft, not soft-hard as in tai chi...two roads, same destination. ask your teacher as i dont have the desire to teach you myself.

  • I am sorry to have upset your ego. I am your teacher and you are my teacher. We are all one. I am terribly sorry for having upset you ( I mean this sincerely).

  • baklungyi--

    this has nothing to do with ego. i have had comments on my video ranging from good to critical all over the web, but i have never responded...everyone has their own beliefs about the way things should be done. i also have never responded to anyones elses video. the issue that arrises for me is that you are dragon and so am i.

  • dragon is a small community and you do not go out of your way to say something negative, especially publicly, about someone else in the family. that is my issue. again, who is your teacher?

  • i thought i sent you the link to the website?

  • "i thought i sent you the link to the website?"

    no, you need to post it publicly. you should be able to proudly say who your sifu is.

  • Hey Melty, long time no read. Hope all is well with you and your Sifu. Good to see you all are still very much active. Take care, JFS

  • you are NOT my teacher. and you are NOT Bill's teacher. thanks for your sincerity, although your apology would be much more well-recieved if you took ownership of your words.

  • I don't know why people are trying to be the authority here. A person with such comment can be positively classified as a martial arts scholar (who can be in a panel or author). Negatively classifed is Jackie Chan's movie: Half A Loaf Of Kung Fu ($2.99 at Walmart).

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