second guy isn't midori. first is undeniably matsui
seems to me the flaws in kyokushin come out right here - they technically learn how to punch to the face, but in application they have no moving targets with which to practise. combos are thus nonexistant, and against face-punchers they try to rely on single kicks to close the distance (further prompting the taikiken men to take them down). disappointing.
@ubersum1 you saying that taikikenkas are bad practitioners. You are mistaken. Kyokushin fighters faced muay thai fighters and they won. You are assuming that your theories are correct. But reality is reality.
that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm impressed by these taikiken fellows, and i've always been impressed by karateka. but your reality is steeped in propaganda. the guys who went to thailand to fight knew how to play the distance game of kickboxing, and patched up holes in their arsenal with judo-like throws. pure karateka can't close distance or box or make combos very well, this has been proven many times. boxing is too big an omission. still my fav martial art, but quite flawed.
wenn wangxuanjie so übt warum hat kanazawa dann nicht den unterüberbrücken ausspann jadefaustfolgetritt nicht überholt der chuck hat doch nun auch zehn jahre daran betültelt ich frag mal meine badelatschen da komt ja schon das reine land hiera
Great Masters as Kancho Matsui and Shihan Royam, great champions such as Hajime Kazumi Taiki Ken practiced assiduously in their constant search for "ultimate truth". In Europe, the most striking character of Taiki Ken of the second half of the century was undoubtedly that Kallenbach Master January after shining in the world of Kyokushinkai, Taiki Ken studied for many years under the direct supervision of Master Sawai. And some people here make me laugh... Just martial arts otaku...
who is supposed to rappresent taikiken, is only a few months practitioner, fighting against a black belt who is obviously superior as martial artist. This doesnt mean taikiken is not good. Taikiken needs several years to be learned and to be able to use it in combat. This guy has not learn so much about taikiken yet.
@8stepsifu What? The karatekas got their ases kicked by old nonsense men, imagine what a boxer would do to these karate guys, kyokushin lost all my respect.
When I was young, a fisherman told me how to fight. He told me to think about the constant and singlular idea of a mobius...my fighting ability, my understanding of combat changed dramatically. I'm not saying I can kick much ass, but I got a better grasp of my strengths and weaknesses in combat(physical & mental) from the thought. You can't jump with unbent knees or do push-ups with unbent elbows. He also taught me an old taoist secret to manage/believe in telekinetic prowess(ink&paper trick).
Wow one of the guys got the muay thai clinch going towards the end. And was he actually clawing at the other guy? Seems like a dangerous technique to use.
I think the taikiken guy did quite well against a much stronger opponent. However, all the techniques in the Sawai;'s book begin with the opponent punching or kicking first, and no kicks are used. The techniques can be summarized as follows" block down whenever possible when the attack almost hits you while stepping in and simultaneously counter punching.
This guy didn't or couldnt always follow these principles.
the styles are not in question,its the ability of the fighters thats in question.Sanshou is not any better than or wrose than say kyokushin, Enshin, or shidokan karate. the fact that the kyokushin guy did not clinch and throw knees shows a lack of actual combat on his part or he was restricted by rules. or his sensei spends too much time on kata.
no. sanshou is the central part of all internal styles -- is the base method, central, sorry for bad english. and it is VERY more effective than external paradigma. BUT it needs regular personal expirience with master or whos better.
i'm impressed. taikiken a martial art that focuses mainly on standing meditation really did hold its own against a tough hardened kyokushin black belt. i think this video shows us neither is better but you need both. good internal power training and sufficient sparring and fighting practice.
To mention MMA after watching this is retarded. this is awesome- a bunch of guy's doing bare-knuckle hard contact fighting years before anyone heard the term "MMA" or "UFC". If you can't appreciate this you are not a martial arts fan.
There seems to be a lot of people name dropping but there are non of the fighters mentioned in the video (GPS, Bas Rutten, Yahara,Kagawa,Mori) as far as this video is concerned both fighters are holding their own. Martial arts are like religion, It can close your mind to other martial arts or it can open your mind and allow you to see validity in other styles
That's right Taikiken doesn't protect the legs. When fighting for your life, you protect your vital areas and attack your attacker's.This doesn't carry over to sparring.
but that goes the same for first few Tai-ki-Ken fighters as well.
Overall;the Kyokushin better at attacking
and TaiKiKen better at counterattacking.
Leg catching,sweeping,grabbing and throws are considered Street Fighting to Kyokushin Fighters which is why Ashihara was famous and known as a Master of Karate and Street Fighting and not some of the notable Kyokushin masters.
i have to say yes and no. the guys from taikiken should be used to punches to the head. but like the kyokushin guys they look a bit uncontrolled. so i say yes for just the look. all that swinging, eyes down in some fights. pure kyokushin looks better.
i have to say no because it shows clearly the more important thing. more important then the look of it. respect and fighting spirit! OSU!
this isnt tai chi, its a different style called taikiken based on the chinese style called Yiquan. Although the japanese version uses the same name as the chinese taichi, it doesnt share the same principles or training techniques. As far as I know, taikiken doesnt use any sort of forms or techniques, which is the basis of the style which the chinese have named "Yi Quan", or "Mind Boxing" in english.
On a recent trip to japan, I met with a Taikiken master. After a few hours of discussion, we had a little sparring match. He got into a weird posture and slapped me in the face a few times before I figured out what he was doing. He later told me that he hadnt had any technique training, just training about how to issue power in different directions. Once you know how to issue power through various methods, its easy to use whatever attack you want to beat an opponent, in my case it was a slap.
Taiki Ken does share similar principles with Tai Chi Chuan. Yi Chuan, which Taiki Ken is derived from is part of the Nejia(internal family) along with Tai Chi Chuan, Bagua Zhang, and a few less familiar arts. Yi Chuan is still sometimes considered a branch of Xing Yi Chuan. Also the "ki" in Taiki Ken and the "chi" in Tai Chi Chuan are not the same character.
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Style/timing/technique goes out of the window in real situations! These are two highly trained martial artists fighting full contact- they either cancel each other out, or prove that fancy techniques simply do not work as well as they are made out to by so called 'experts'.
u guys r all fukenm retearded watch the other vid wehere this tournament happens again this was their first encounter soo kyokushin din know what to do the second fight u can clearlyh see that we are winning KYOKUSHINKAIKAN YERAH YEAH 4:20!
These guys are aggressive! Hardcore bare knuckles, taking hits and keep going with awesome technique. This video alone can teach somebody half of what they need to know about fighting. I am impressed. Doesn't GSP practice Kyokushin karate?
Doesn't matter who beats who. It depends on who studied the arts and nobody represents the arts themselves. Anyway this is an interesting clip, thank you.
They probably allow it due to the fact that it's taikiken vs kyokushin .. seems unfair because Kyokushin is not a direct face attack and the Kyokushin user doesn't seem to hit hard (feels awkward.)
Not to mention the fact that Mas Oyama, the styles founder studied Taikiken. Taikiken is the Japanese name for Yi Quan which is a Chinese martial art. So congratulations on proving your ignorance even further. But oh wait it doesnt end there...you also said that Kyokushin resembles Wing Chun??? ROFL! What in Kyokushin resembles Wing Chuns chain punches, its centerline theory, chi sao practice? This is excluding the fact that in Wing Chun there are hardly any kicks above the waist. Rofl.
amen brotha this osensei guy has no idea what he's talking about he is obviously ignorant to martial arts but trys to be a know it all when ever fucking thing he said is retarded and WRONG.. i so wish i could get a knee straight to your nose (which in thai is called the kao loi) so you can see how much stronger us muay thai fighters really are...
Osensei is a moron. Kyoukushin fighters have proven that they can adapt to face contact, many fighters in K1 and other kickboxing venues practice Kyokushin Karate and have done pretty well.
Dumbass! K1 fighters and kickboxers are professionally trained! You can't fight in a pro ring and train in a McDojo you fool! Yes, maybe they practice Kyokushin as a hobby, but I guarantee their "sensei" is not the one that prepared them for the ring!
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? You make no sense whatsoever. Like I said many Kyokushin fighters have trained in the dojo and have competed in not only K1, but many other kickboxing events, even under Muay Thai ruleset. And if their sensei doesn't train them to compete who does? I'm sure they are more than qualified to train the fighter. Most of them have competed in kickboxing or full contact bouts themselves.
It's also hilarious that you called a Kyokushin school a mcdojo. Do you know anything about martial arts? Kyokushin has you working techniques against actively resisting opponents, sparring, and conditioning, pretty much the basic needs for any martial arts school to not be a mcdojo. I honestly think you have no clue about the martial arts. How about you just get the fuck off the net.
I everything about Kyokushin karate and all of their training methods and 100 man kumite BS! You're the only fucking noob here! Especially if you think you can step in the pro ring with that BS! Let's see a kyokushin fighter jump into the ring with Anderson Sylva or Cung Lee instead of these no name scrubs you show them beating up on youtube!
Um wow. You know everything about their training methods eh? Fyi, thats not a training method, its a challenge available to high ranking black belts. If its such BS, lets see if you have the training and toughness to get out there and face a 100 people. Ever heard of Andy Hug? Excellent Kyokushin Karate fighter and KICKBOXER. In fact if you look up the history of kickboxing in Japan you will see that it was made by dun dun dun...Karate fighters from KYOKUSHIN.
You don't have to be tough when your opponent can't touch you! I'd rather have a fighting strategy that doesn't involve me taking punishment intentionally! Kyokushin fighters will stand there and let you hit them! This is because they know you can strike them in the face! I would've love to see one stand in front of Tyson before he lost his fucking mind or big George Foreman!
if Kyoukushin is such BS, how about you face one of their fighters and post it up on youtube. Do you even practice any martial art? hell, do you even know how to fight? And for christ sakes its Cung Le not Cung Lee you fucking moron.
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Kyokushin wins in K-1 (against no named scrubs)! Kyokushin Kai beats Mauy Tai fighters (underweight, skinny no named scrubs)! Kyokushin says Kung Fu is too weak! But the guys in this video, although Japanese have a similar style to Cantonese Wing Chun and you best senseis got bitch slapped!
Lmao, you just wont admit youre wrong will you? Kyokushin beats no named scrubs huh? If I remember correctly Andy Hug defeated Mirko Cro Cop, a damn good kickboxer whos also a UFC fighter now. And those "underweight" Muay Thai fighters you speak of can probably break shin bone in two with one well aimed kick. Where the hell do you get the "Kyokushin says Kung Fu is too weak?" are you fucking retarded? Youre going to judge a style based on what one or two people associated with Kyokushin thinks?
actually if u look at the sparring carefully, The taikiken guys are actually quite good, they are using internal strength alot thats why most of the kyokushin guys get hit back a distance at the first strike.On the other hand the kyokushin guys are conditioned get back right up.
I'm not siding taikiken or kyokushin.Its just how it is when 2 different arts react to each other. I got to hand it to both sides cause they reacting very fast and adjusting to the blows they are taking and they are really hard blows. I know theres alot of kyokushin supporters here but remember to always see the other side of the picture.On the other hand for haters please don't post ignorant comments that actually insults yourselves and your form of martial arts.
The taikiken guys seem to have been trained in sensitivity similar to Wing Chun and Filipino Kali! Wing Chun, by the way, is what a lot of these hardass karate proponents called Bullshido! Wing Chun never stood a chance against Kyokushin because Kyokushin rules don't allow face strikes! This suggests what would have happened if they had allowed the Chunners to use all of their techniques in the first place!
this is what we called a good example of controled fight, this is not a tournament, it's just a sparring.
some people here needs to understand that it's not that easy to fight against another fighter from a different style, sometimes we understimate other disciplines.
by the way: Kancho Shokei Matsui fought well, Flashy movements are not everything.
these taikiken guys are rather something
teslic100 4 weeks ago
おい、松井よ、ちゃんと税金払え、そして、祖国へ帰れ。お前は、武道家の面汚しだ。
tukikage0602 1 month ago in playlist 太気拳
やはり松井の格闘センスは抜群。太氣拳も超実戦的。双方とも素人の喧嘩自慢レベルでは太刀打ちできない。
suzukihackou 2 months ago
second guy isn't midori. first is undeniably matsui
seems to me the flaws in kyokushin come out right here - they technically learn how to punch to the face, but in application they have no moving targets with which to practise. combos are thus nonexistant, and against face-punchers they try to rely on single kicks to close the distance (further prompting the taikiken men to take them down). disappointing.
ubersum1 2 months ago
@ubersum1 you saying that taikikenkas are bad practitioners. You are mistaken. Kyokushin fighters faced muay thai fighters and they won. You are assuming that your theories are correct. But reality is reality.
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that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm impressed by these taikiken fellows, and i've always been impressed by karateka. but your reality is steeped in propaganda. the guys who went to thailand to fight knew how to play the distance game of kickboxing, and patched up holes in their arsenal with judo-like throws. pure karateka can't close distance or box or make combos very well, this has been proven many times. boxing is too big an omission. still my fav martial art, but quite flawed.
ubersum1 4 weeks ago
hai oh goa zai hai chi oh go zai tai hao goa ta tien zhong goa riu tai hai ai tao pai si hai ih
alekx58 5 months ago
willst wissen ich hab kurz mal neh und job damit ich binn nähmlich ein fux
alekx58 5 months ago
wenn wangxuanjie so übt warum hat kanazawa dann nicht den unterüberbrücken ausspann jadefaustfolgetritt nicht überholt der chuck hat doch nun auch zehn jahre daran betültelt ich frag mal meine badelatschen da komt ja schon das reine land hiera
alekx58 5 months ago
da passt ja beiderseitig johnliu rein aber kam der nicht aus der büchxe der pandora tuo nun werden die füxe gejagt ich muß beten gehen zu alikhan
alekx58 5 months ago
「極真カラテ」は「空手」ではない。
「朝鮮進駐軍」を自称していた「朝聯」の後継団体「朝鮮総聯」の違法武闘訓練組織が、「極真カラテ」の位置付け（公安警察資料より）。
つまり、日本国の敵国であり、「オウム真理教地下鉄サリン事件」をオウム真理教の犯行に偽装して実行し、大韓民国と共同して対日間接侵略機関「民主党」を使って対日間接侵略を2011年現在実行中の「朝鮮民主主義人民共和国」の「朝鮮総聯」のテロル実行部隊の一つが「極真カラテ」。
KageRyuBTRON 5 months ago
どうでも良いけど 太気拳と少林寺拳法は同い年！！！
HAMAX38 5 months ago
顔狙ってれは、そりゃ極真も焦るはな～（笑）
顔とか痛そうダネ、大変危険ですね～
kaicat100 5 months ago 2
I'm 99% sure the first guy is Matsui Kancho, the second guy looks a bit like Kenji Midori, the others I have no idea
dragonbut 6 months ago
素人が大氣拳の攻撃の質がわからないのは、まあ無理もない。見たことも、実際に「当たった」こともないでしょうから。極真空手の選手はすごく頑丈で精神力も強いからすぐ立ってますが、ヒットした時には相当なダメージもらってます。膝とかもね。
少し気になったのは、このビデオの大氣拳の選手は組み手技術は高いのですが、中国武術にしては功夫がややおざなりにされている気がしたことです。もっとも、組み手をしたのは弟子ですから、そういうレベルのヒトが出てこなかったということなのかもしれませんけど。まあ、相手がなまじ強いと、高い功夫の遣い手の技は危険ですしね。また、大氣拳も空手のある日本で実戦を標榜する以上は、組み手を想定して技術優先に適応せざるを得なかった面もあるでしょうけれどもね。
nashino1999 6 months ago
太氣拳側も極真側もこの映像は２０年近く昔の映像。
「士別れて三日なれば刮目して相待すべし。」 と三国志演義でいわれているように、この映像をもって、どちらが強いとか弱いとかを論議することは不毛の論議。 こういう立ち合いを逃げずにやること自体に敬意を表する。 この立ち合いを「素人の喧嘩」などと評する輩は、実戦もやったことのない単なるヲタク。
snowbird1962 6 months ago
Great Masters as Kancho Matsui and Shihan Royam, great champions such as Hajime Kazumi Taiki Ken practiced assiduously in their constant search for "ultimate truth". In Europe, the most striking character of Taiki Ken of the second half of the century was undoubtedly that Kallenbach Master January after shining in the world of Kyokushinkai, Taiki Ken studied for many years under the direct supervision of Master Sawai. And some people here make me laugh... Just martial arts otaku...
zakardo 6 months ago
Is the first kyokushin fighter Hatsuo Royama....?
MartialArts4Ever 6 months ago
僕は極慎と太気両方少し習いました。太気の先輩や先生は普通に極慎や大道塾の元黒帯しかも全国大会出場者でしたよ。筋肉にたよる空手の限界を知っているから太気に行ったんでしょうね。
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yamadago 6 months ago
動きを見ていると大気拳が強いとは思えない。
パンチが大振りで素人の喧嘩みたいだよね。
極真側が顔面パンチに不慣れでガードがまったく出来てないから
面白いようにヒットする。互角の勝負。
kenwinning 7 months ago
hm...if an kyokushin fighter must punch on jodan,then .....:-) kyo dos not work :-(
The Cameraman was stupid...Dont make any photo opposite the windows.. :-)
vekasmisi 7 months ago
hm...if an kyokushin fighter must punch on jodan,then .....:-) kyo dos not work :-(
vekasmisi 7 months ago
Why dont they take an piece of iron and begin to hit each other's nose?
It will have the same effect.
And then we could call it a fight.
Konicava 7 months ago
空手は基本顔面打撃無しだからねｗ顔面打撃ありの競技的に未熟な中国拳法にも負ける可能性はあるよキックボクシングの選手と試合したら中国拳法はボコボコにされるだろうけどね
820815ryou 8 months ago
who is supposed to rappresent taikiken, is only a few months practitioner, fighting against a black belt who is obviously superior as martial artist. This doesnt mean taikiken is not good. Taikiken needs several years to be learned and to be able to use it in combat. This guy has not learn so much about taikiken yet.
jbaroff 8 months ago
遠くから顔めがけて飛んできてるから、極真はやりにくかっただろうなあ
なんかただの喧嘩にしか見えない感じもするし
taiyakiuser 9 months ago 2
is that shokei matsui in the begging?!?!?!
kenseisato1989 10 months ago
これを観てると○山先生がなんで辞めたくなったか解る。
tabret 11 months ago
what the fuck ?!?! is that shokei matsui?!?!
CarlitoJohnson 11 months ago
試合を開催する前の大山道場は太氣拳の人みたいな戦い方で組手稽古をしていたのではないでしょうか。
試合ルールによらないこういう経験も必要だと思います。
練習ということで怪我をしない程度に禁じ手をなくした練習ということです。
getyudagesu 1 year ago
Fake taiji gets beaten by real karate. Good, expose the fakes, raise the standards!
8stepsifu 1 year ago
@8stepsifu What? The karatekas got their ases kicked by old nonsense men, imagine what a boxer would do to these karate guys, kyokushin lost all my respect.
Rnt911 9 months ago
極真顔面ありの間合いになるとボディーへの突きがなくってしまうな全然攻撃しないじゃないか。大気圏の連中の動き見ると寸止めの全国クラスのやつらだったら軽く伸ばしてるぞ。
fist571 1 year ago
極真空手は体力は多分あるのだと思うけど、顔面の対処に慣れていないようですね。
そこが課題だと思います。
MUCUN0928 1 year ago
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Turn the lights on next time. Great fight!
Ezeibe7 1 year ago
Turn the lights on next time.
Ezeibe7 1 year ago
極真側はアウトから何度も踏み込まれて顔面を打たれてるけども、体力面で優れているので（手の内を知った後）、次の手合わせがあったら極真側が有利と思う。 今の洗練されたUFC等にくらべたら見劣りするけども、この時代（２０年くらい前かな？）ではこれ以上のレベルは存在しないと思う。
それにここまでして強さを追求してた姿勢にうらやましいとすら思うね。
dasboot1126 1 year ago
某掲示板では大気拳側は「ガリヒョロリーマン」みたいに書かれてるけど、こうして見るとみんな体格いいな。筋肉のつき方は極真の方が上かもしれないけど、身長は大気拳側の方が高い。
kokenbois701 1 year ago
まぁお互い弱いよｗ
820815ryou 1 year ago
@820815ryou 弱いのはお前ｗ
teacher12114869 11 months ago
お互い顔たたきまくってるな
NAO73874 1 year ago
大気拳強いみたいだけど見てくれ悪いな
sinyalovetie 1 year ago
顔面にボコボコもらってるなあ
tZalypse 1 year ago
大気拳強いな。中国拳法が本当に強いことを知ってちょっと感動した。
disga 1 year ago
極真空手かっけぇｗ
warsmanrobinmask 1 year ago
Great intensity, tough guys, some basic western boxing would be would both would need to make them complete strikers. Great job otherwise.
garciagungfu 1 year ago
極真はすごい が，
太氣拳(意拳)のほうは，
筋肉弱いなんですけど，足根のバランスを十分注意する拳法です。
バランスすごい人が体重を拳と蹴りとざまざまな利用してpower upすることは可能です。
Toryonline 1 year ago
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dinghy1000 1 year ago
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dinghy1000 1 year ago
＞極真ルール？
この交流戦はお互いの合意の元の戦いじゃないのですかね？
逆に言えばルールがあるのか？知りませんが、大気拳ルールでもないですよね？
ということは極真空手とは「史上最強のルール空手」になっちゃいますよ〜（笑）
vachyasu 1 year ago 4
何事も各武道に沿ったルールに基づいて
稽古してるから、郷に入れば郷が強いのは当たり前。
これを極真ルールで組み手をやれば極真が勝つ
のが当たり前となる。
eizi1218 1 year ago
しっかし、打撃系格闘技って対人制圧能力低いなあ。
ここに柔道家が乱入したら圧倒的強さで無双しそうだ。
fanbaredo11 1 year ago
極真って顔面ありだと哀しいくらい弱いな
fanbaredo11 1 year ago
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en31414 1 year ago
どうでもイイけど、この試合やり方危なくない？？！！
素手で顔面バシバシって、総合格闘技でもやらないでしょ！
よく死人出なかったよなぁ
psbc1245 1 year ago
We are the planet, the sun, the stars, the galaxy, the universe...we are the proper motion and position angle at once.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
When I was young, a fisherman told me how to fight. He told me to think about the constant and singlular idea of a mobius...my fighting ability, my understanding of combat changed dramatically. I'm not saying I can kick much ass, but I got a better grasp of my strengths and weaknesses in combat(physical & mental) from the thought. You can't jump with unbent knees or do push-ups with unbent elbows. He also taught me an old taoist secret to manage/believe in telekinetic prowess(ink&paper trick).
blueprophet9 1 year ago
Wow one of the guys got the muay thai clinch going towards the end. And was he actually clawing at the other guy? Seems like a dangerous technique to use.
switchdrift 1 year ago
どの格闘技が強いとかでなく
どの人間が強いのかなんだけどね。
MrBlengod 1 year ago 4
すごい迫力！！！
manmoss1 1 year ago
both of these "martial arts" blow balls
mnhugh 1 year ago
this is not taikiken
ffelldman 1 year ago
顔面攻撃の無い極珍なんて所詮この程度。
柔道なら始まって10秒で相手を床に叩きつけてるよ。
fanbaredo11 1 year ago
@fanbaredo11 柔道なんて、顔面一発で戦意喪失。
nrhktkn 1 year ago
some defence please and counter attack will be helpfull
mathoyama 1 year ago
go kyokushin
hwangsutran 1 year ago
Rocky Balboa didn´t use defence as well... and he achieve the champion belt! Oh, sorry... only on movies.
Azfargh 1 year ago 2
You know what would be good? Some defence.
TheHardout2005 1 year ago 2
very poor fist fighting from both fighters..it exposes one of the limitations of oriental martial arts
rahulde78 1 year ago
is it matsui?
Caca51m 1 year ago 5
looks like
andyhug90 1 year ago
ちょ、、、コレはすごい。
極真の一人目なんて松井さんなんじゃ？
leftymonster07 2 years ago
喧嘩では上段蹴りは通用しないということですね。
kiryu10 2 years ago 4
The Taikiken guy didnt do too bad. He seems less experience than the Kyokushin guy but he did okay.
Jenfucius 2 years ago
I think the taikiken guy did quite well against a much stronger opponent. However, all the techniques in the Sawai;'s book begin with the opponent punching or kicking first, and no kicks are used. The techniques can be summarized as follows" block down whenever possible when the attack almost hits you while stepping in and simultaneously counter punching.
This guy didn't or couldnt always follow these principles.
a1562z 2 years ago
!!!中国拳法でまともに戦ってるのはじめて見た！
FRX100 2 years ago 5
matui and midori
tokitakokoto 2 years ago
極真は弱いな、顔面ありだと。
tokitakokoto 2 years ago 3
Is not to prove how Karate is up to date, is a normali sparring.
Much Kyokushin Fighter from Japan learn Taikiken to, the founder of Kyokushin Oyama Masutatsu was a Master of Taikiken to.
Winterheart999 2 years ago
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this prooves how Karate is out of date... a sissy-slap fighter will kill a Karateka.Cruel truth,aint it ? :)
Lywnis 2 years ago
Tell that to Machida.
jeffdoeskungfu 2 years ago 2
the styles are not in question,its the ability of the fighters thats in question.Sanshou is not any better than or wrose than say kyokushin, Enshin, or shidokan karate. the fact that the kyokushin guy did not clinch and throw knees shows a lack of actual combat on his part or he was restricted by rules. or his sensei spends too much time on kata.
zukioi 2 years ago 3
no. sanshou is the central part of all internal styles -- is the base method, central, sorry for bad english. and it is VERY more effective than external paradigma. BUT it needs regular personal expirience with master or whos better.
Siddthartha 2 years ago
No, that proves tha you don't know anything!
Zinidatikazem2 2 years ago
やっぱり無抵抗な動物相手じゃないと。
grapplerneko 2 years ago 6
who is kiukushin?
valuchiha 2 years ago
極真は顔面打撃ない時点でしょぼいからなぁ～ｋ－１行った奴はボクシング練習して
やっと強くなるって感じだし
ryochin1030 2 years ago 2
大気拳（形意拳系）は強いね。よく分かったよ。
Minyochan 2 years ago 24
これマスに内緒でやった他流試合だね。
昔ＳＲＳで放送された時は極真が圧倒してるような編集してたけど、これ見るとむしろ完全にやられてるなｗ
師匠欺いてあげく顔面を恐れる腰引けてる最強の空手ってどうなのよ？
superpolice 2 years ago 15
If tai ki ken came from yi chuan i dont se the principals of it in the fight, they are just strong guys slaping around
vilario 2 years ago
i'm impressed. taikiken a martial art that focuses mainly on standing meditation really did hold its own against a tough hardened kyokushin black belt. i think this video shows us neither is better but you need both. good internal power training and sufficient sparring and fighting practice.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago 3
Yes it's Matsui !
roirouge63 2 years ago
Is that Shokei Matsui in the first part?
phys1c 2 years ago 3
yeah, he sucks
Buli0n 2 years ago
now thats some awsome shit
mitchx69 2 years ago
6 stars if I could. Good fight on both sides.
maofas 2 years ago
excellent, thanks for sharing
lxfbear 2 years ago
OSU
Krisgomgun 2 years ago
いや～すごいね太氣拳。
近代トレーニングの鬼の猛者たちと互角とはね。
部位鍛錬、筋力トレーニング、体を徹底的にイジメ抜いてガッチリとした極真連中。
それに比べ、ヒョロッとした文学青年のような太氣の連中。
互角にスパーリングが出来てしまってることが驚異だな。
uchikata 2 years ago 8
同感です!
彼らは基本的には、自主トレーニングと週に一回の明治神宮の練習だけですからね。
nrhktkn 2 years ago 6
このスパーリングは、極真会の埼玉道場で行われたそうです。
当時の埼玉道場の師範は盧山師範で、大気拳の創始者・故沢井健一氏の弟子でもありました。その縁で、この交流スパーリングが、行われたようです。
nrhktkn 2 years ago
Kyokushin is just better. Karate is the best striking art ever created.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
after watching this i can't agree with you.
Buli0n 2 years ago
Old school kyokushin. Nice!
soulsenn 2 years ago
Osu!
I did a kumite with my semapi yesterday and ended with a bloody lip. Ouch!
scarburner 2 years ago 2
KYOKUSHIN ALL THE WAY!
Mocktezuma111 2 years ago
To mention MMA after watching this is retarded. this is awesome- a bunch of guy's doing bare-knuckle hard contact fighting years before anyone heard the term "MMA" or "UFC". If you can't appreciate this you are not a martial arts fan.
derspatero 2 years ago
There seems to be a lot of people name dropping but there are non of the fighters mentioned in the video (GPS, Bas Rutten, Yahara,Kagawa,Mori) as far as this video is concerned both fighters are holding their own. Martial arts are like religion, It can close your mind to other martial arts or it can open your mind and allow you to see validity in other styles
karateee 3 years ago
That's right Taikiken doesn't protect the legs. When fighting for your life, you protect your vital areas and attack your attacker's.This doesn't carry over to sparring.
a1562z 3 years ago
one of the biggest shotokan fighters(Yahara,Kagawa,Mori) would kill them all....btw
sintokai 3 years ago
nice that you refer 2 ppl as "all"
StL33T 3 years ago
well why dont they
mitchx69 2 years ago
I hate how that Kyokushin guy keeps throwing high kicks. They Taikiken guy obviously doesnt protect his legs.
MartialArts4Ever 3 years ago
Taikiken Gi look weird O.o?
Tobekun 3 years ago 2
The Kyokushin fighters looked like brawlers;
but that goes the same for first few Tai-ki-Ken fighters as well.
Overall;the Kyokushin better at attacking
and TaiKiKen better at counterattacking.
Leg catching,sweeping,grabbing and throws are considered Street Fighting to Kyokushin Fighters which is why Ashihara was famous and known as a Master of Karate and Street Fighting and not some of the notable Kyokushin masters.
Both have pros and cons.
But its normal and okay.
MDIS 3 years ago
"極真VS太氣拳（2nd）" is fake!
mezameyokokumin 3 years ago
holy shit, is the first kyokushin fighter matsui????
deusness 3 years ago 3
Yes, it is.
mmarzec 3 years ago 3
i cant see its too dark
sanddocon 3 years ago
look for "極真VS太氣拳（2nd）" ....same set up...different look.
Muay711 3 years ago
joshtakezo said it makes kyokushin look bad.
i have to say yes and no. the guys from taikiken should be used to punches to the head. but like the kyokushin guys they look a bit uncontrolled. so i say yes for just the look. all that swinging, eyes down in some fights. pure kyokushin looks better.
i have to say no because it shows clearly the more important thing. more important then the look of it. respect and fighting spirit! OSU!
Muay711 3 years ago
wow God bless
christwarrior56 3 years ago
Full-contact bare knuckle?
Damn, too gangsta fo me..
blajing 3 years ago 2
Its always a pleasure watching Matsui fight
JIAKEP 3 years ago
maaaaaaaaaaaan this is full-contect
mohdal 3 years ago
i think the Taikiken fighter 1 is bad
he s just hitting and hitting he dont really know about fighting
Tokui1 3 years ago
man, this makes kyokushin look bad.
joshtakezo 3 years ago
the kyokushin dude would kill him in a real fight.
BoZNiaNBuLLeT 3 years ago
Except for the ref breaking them up, that was a real fight.
WaiteDavid137 3 years ago 4
this is bull shit tai chi .... the fighters actions goes against the very principles of taichi . he faceing force with force .
kashen1 3 years ago
this isnt tai chi, its a different style called taikiken based on the chinese style called Yiquan. Although the japanese version uses the same name as the chinese taichi, it doesnt share the same principles or training techniques. As far as I know, taikiken doesnt use any sort of forms or techniques, which is the basis of the style which the chinese have named "Yi Quan", or "Mind Boxing" in english.
Kormiku 3 years ago
oh no wonder this looks so wried .. thanks anyway . still bullshit though
kashen1 3 years ago
On a recent trip to japan, I met with a Taikiken master. After a few hours of discussion, we had a little sparring match. He got into a weird posture and slapped me in the face a few times before I figured out what he was doing. He later told me that he hadnt had any technique training, just training about how to issue power in different directions. Once you know how to issue power through various methods, its easy to use whatever attack you want to beat an opponent, in my case it was a slap.
Kormiku 3 years ago
Taiki Ken does share similar principles with Tai Chi Chuan. Yi Chuan, which Taiki Ken is derived from is part of the Nejia(internal family) along with Tai Chi Chuan, Bagua Zhang, and a few less familiar arts. Yi Chuan is still sometimes considered a branch of Xing Yi Chuan. Also the "ki" in Taiki Ken and the "chi" in Tai Chi Chuan are not the same character.
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ferominator 3 years ago
Style/timing/technique goes out of the window in real situations! These are two highly trained martial artists fighting full contact- they either cancel each other out, or prove that fancy techniques simply do not work as well as they are made out to by so called 'experts'.
DW01 3 years ago
Why's the ref breaking them on the clinches and ground?
WaiteDavid137 3 years ago
is kyokushin guy matsui? it looks like him
Flyingtart 3 years ago
It would've been great if Ashihara Hideyuki was fighting too. He would've destroyed all of them.
rotarymenace 4 years ago
Cracking reminds me of the old days!
mazorblock 4 years ago
Impressive bare knuckle fighting. Think the Taiki dude had the advantage.
JianChuanTaiChi 4 years ago
u guys r all fukenm retearded watch the other vid wehere this tournament happens again this was their first encounter soo kyokushin din know what to do the second fight u can clearlyh see that we are winning KYOKUSHINKAIKAN YERAH YEAH 4:20!
Shroomzz 4 years ago
Was the first Kyokushin fighter in this vid Matsui??? Anyways thx for uploading this!!! Very nice vid!!!
mtkalltheway 4 years ago
These guys are aggressive! Hardcore bare knuckles, taking hits and keep going with awesome technique. This video alone can teach somebody half of what they need to know about fighting. I am impressed. Doesn't GSP practice Kyokushin karate?
kingoftheusa 4 years ago
osensei2987 and Hotora86 are clowns dont take them seriously they are just key board no life nerds
tearawa1961 4 years ago 3
Doesn't matter who beats who. It depends on who studied the arts and nobody represents the arts themselves. Anyway this is an interesting clip, thank you.
C00LTUBE 4 years ago
people that havent trainany type of martial arts SHOULD STFU AND STOP SAYING WHICH IS BETETR AND WHICH IS NOT
sengoku15 4 years ago 5
This is new to me. I have never seen a kyokushin fight where hand strikes to the face were legal and the fight was not over after a knock down.
HumpN81 4 years ago
They probably allow it due to the fact that it's taikiken vs kyokushin .. seems unfair because Kyokushin is not a direct face attack and the Kyokushin user doesn't seem to hit hard (feels awkward.)
yangeryanger 4 years ago
great video!
Osu!
Thrashedbilly 4 years ago
Not to mention the fact that Mas Oyama, the styles founder studied Taikiken. Taikiken is the Japanese name for Yi Quan which is a Chinese martial art. So congratulations on proving your ignorance even further. But oh wait it doesnt end there...you also said that Kyokushin resembles Wing Chun??? ROFL! What in Kyokushin resembles Wing Chuns chain punches, its centerline theory, chi sao practice? This is excluding the fact that in Wing Chun there are hardly any kicks above the waist. Rofl.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago 4
amen brotha this osensei guy has no idea what he's talking about he is obviously ignorant to martial arts but trys to be a know it all when ever fucking thing he said is retarded and WRONG.. i so wish i could get a knee straight to your nose (which in thai is called the kao loi) so you can see how much stronger us muay thai fighters really are...
mojpoj456 4 years ago
So this is what happens when a Kyokushin karateka fights with non-Kyokushin rules... he gets slapped in the face repeatedly.
Hotora86 4 years ago
this is typical sparring 30% power not full.
agutinoff 4 years ago
Osensei is a moron. Kyoukushin fighters have proven that they can adapt to face contact, many fighters in K1 and other kickboxing venues practice Kyokushin Karate and have done pretty well.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago
Dumbass! K1 fighters and kickboxers are professionally trained! You can't fight in a pro ring and train in a McDojo you fool! Yes, maybe they practice Kyokushin as a hobby, but I guarantee their "sensei" is not the one that prepared them for the ring!
osensei2987 4 years ago
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? You make no sense whatsoever. Like I said many Kyokushin fighters have trained in the dojo and have competed in not only K1, but many other kickboxing events, even under Muay Thai ruleset. And if their sensei doesn't train them to compete who does? I'm sure they are more than qualified to train the fighter. Most of them have competed in kickboxing or full contact bouts themselves.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago
It's also hilarious that you called a Kyokushin school a mcdojo. Do you know anything about martial arts? Kyokushin has you working techniques against actively resisting opponents, sparring, and conditioning, pretty much the basic needs for any martial arts school to not be a mcdojo. I honestly think you have no clue about the martial arts. How about you just get the fuck off the net.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago
I everything about Kyokushin karate and all of their training methods and 100 man kumite BS! You're the only fucking noob here! Especially if you think you can step in the pro ring with that BS! Let's see a kyokushin fighter jump into the ring with Anderson Sylva or Cung Lee instead of these no name scrubs you show them beating up on youtube!
osensei2987 4 years ago
Um wow. You know everything about their training methods eh? Fyi, thats not a training method, its a challenge available to high ranking black belts. If its such BS, lets see if you have the training and toughness to get out there and face a 100 people. Ever heard of Andy Hug? Excellent Kyokushin Karate fighter and KICKBOXER. In fact if you look up the history of kickboxing in Japan you will see that it was made by dun dun dun...Karate fighters from KYOKUSHIN.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago 2
You don't have to be tough when your opponent can't touch you! I'd rather have a fighting strategy that doesn't involve me taking punishment intentionally! Kyokushin fighters will stand there and let you hit them! This is because they know you can strike them in the face! I would've love to see one stand in front of Tyson before he lost his fucking mind or big George Foreman!
osensei2987 4 years ago
if Kyoukushin is such BS, how about you face one of their fighters and post it up on youtube. Do you even practice any martial art? hell, do you even know how to fight? And for christ sakes its Cung Le not Cung Lee you fucking moron.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago 3
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Kyokushin wins in K-1 (against no named scrubs)! Kyokushin Kai beats Mauy Tai fighters (underweight, skinny no named scrubs)! Kyokushin says Kung Fu is too weak! But the guys in this video, although Japanese have a similar style to Cantonese Wing Chun and you best senseis got bitch slapped!
osensei2987 4 years ago
Lmao, you just wont admit youre wrong will you? Kyokushin beats no named scrubs huh? If I remember correctly Andy Hug defeated Mirko Cro Cop, a damn good kickboxer whos also a UFC fighter now. And those "underweight" Muay Thai fighters you speak of can probably break shin bone in two with one well aimed kick. Where the hell do you get the "Kyokushin says Kung Fu is too weak?" are you fucking retarded? Youre going to judge a style based on what one or two people associated with Kyokushin thinks?
CRDFightClub 4 years ago 3
only fu.. is that matsui?
tutayta 4 years ago
of course its not matsui. Do you see how sluggish those kyokushin fighters are ? No wonder they got owned
Sandmunky 4 years ago
It is matsui.
zengyun 4 years ago
prolly when he was still noobish -_-''
Sandmunky 4 years ago
actually if u look at the sparring carefully, The taikiken guys are actually quite good, they are using internal strength alot thats why most of the kyokushin guys get hit back a distance at the first strike.On the other hand the kyokushin guys are conditioned get back right up.
zengyun 4 years ago
I'm not siding taikiken or kyokushin.Its just how it is when 2 different arts react to each other. I got to hand it to both sides cause they reacting very fast and adjusting to the blows they are taking and they are really hard blows. I know theres alot of kyokushin supporters here but remember to always see the other side of the picture.On the other hand for haters please don't post ignorant comments that actually insults yourselves and your form of martial arts.
zengyun 4 years ago
The taikiken guys seem to have been trained in sensitivity similar to Wing Chun and Filipino Kali! Wing Chun, by the way, is what a lot of these hardass karate proponents called Bullshido! Wing Chun never stood a chance against Kyokushin because Kyokushin rules don't allow face strikes! This suggests what would have happened if they had allowed the Chunners to use all of their techniques in the first place!
osensei2987 4 years ago
open your eyes this guy is kancho matsui
tutayta 4 years ago
I did note that d taikikain figther seen more relax, but kyokushin figther are know to be more aggrasive?so i dont believe
sanddocon 4 years ago
the first was Shikei matsui!.
amazing video.
osu!
kyokushinkevin 4 years ago
this is what we called a good example of controled fight, this is not a tournament, it's just a sparring.
some people here needs to understand that it's not that easy to fight against another fighter from a different style, sometimes we understimate other disciplines.
by the way: Kancho Shokei Matsui fought well, Flashy movements are not everything.
stevenganza 4 years ago