i cant go a day without listening to this song. its sad for me to say that i probably will never get to see my favorite song preformed live. if i ever get the opportunity i would just cry forever. its hard for me to believe that i was like 6 when this came out.
Where could he even read the lyrics? Are you blind? And Andrew would never do that, this is a really emotional, long song that is really popular among the fans, so it's obvious he wouldn't do that..
@konfusionn didn't they just tour? Hope they do it again, cuz it didn't come anywhere near me. I saw Jack's on monday night though, and met andrew after.
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you kids need to calm down, there's nothing amazing or revolutionary about something corporate, it's bland, repetitive, unoriginal pop music. the lyrics and music are meant to appeal to everyone, to make people feel good, nothing more. listen to the song, it's 9 minutes of the same chord progression over and over again with simple yet lame piano work, and lyrics that make me think of high school relationships.
I think out of the 85,770 views... at least 200 of them are mine xD ...but i love this song so much. it makes me so so sad that SoCo is no longer together =[ *tear*
I'm writing a speech on Andrew right now, and then I realized all he's done has reached beyond the words of my pen. He exceeds every music I ever have and ever will know.
seeing that piano reminds me of seeing him live. great time in my life...and i agree epic is an understatement for this kind of artwork that's impossible to explain.
honestly, i don't want to sound pompous, but this song can only truly be appreciated once you experience it live... its truly amazing, and its sad to know that andrew no longer plays it, but what can you do?
um, alex gaskarth isn't even in comparison to andrew.
alex's lyrics: "Put up or shut up, we're not wasting time again, the credits are rolling and we're getting lost again"
andrew's lyrics: "And if this is what it takes, just to laugh at my mistakes, and live with what I did to you, and all the hell I put you through..I always catch the clock it's 11:11, now you want to talk? It's not hard to dream, you'll always be my Konstantine."
I thought it was about a girlfriend named Krystal. The only constant in his life was his girlfriend Krystal... k-onstantine. Isn't this song about how he cheated on her?
This is the very first SoCo song i heard, that was in 2004 maybe. Now i absolutely love SoCo and Jack's Mannequin. Andrew McMahon is my favorte artist.
legend037, sometimes the easiest songs to play, can come across as the most complex, diverse sounding sogns. Andrew puts an extreme ammount of emotion into his songs, he turns easy songs into masterpieces, his songs are not hard to play but yet they paint a picture worth more than a thousand words
yea but It's hard to sing and play that riff without mistakes... thats what I meant.. this is one of my favorite song, and I'm amazed at how he turns simple things into a beautiful piece...
It's pretty amazing, but I have this version where he seems to completely lose his mind when he sings he misses her. and then there's this line where he almost whispers; "God, I miss you".. Gosh, it's sooooooo heartbreaking.
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yea, this song is terrible, just awful. i love to read all the comments, especilally the one about the homosexual talkign about himself as he was a hetero, and how he would take him back for this song, SO FUNNY . and how somone tears up evertime they hear the song. this song sucks. anyone who aprecialtes music, i mean good music, will understand that this song is terrible :)
As someone who APPRICIATES good music, I understand that the make good music, you need a combination of solid instrumentals, moving lyrics, and a strong vocal delivering those lyrics. I believe piano is a solid main instrument, the lyrics are very moving because EVERYONE at one point feels completely lost without someone, and McMahon delivers these specific lyrics amazingly. When you release a song that makes girls scream, or just release a song, I'll shut up. If not, stop being a dick.
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gotta give em props cause there good live, but i thnk the guys voice is annoying as fuck. and all the people in audience seem too cool for me. i fucking hate the lead singer i don care if he survived cancer or whatever he did, it doesnt make him sound any fucking better.
this is the song of my ex n me shit... it always tears me up. still one of the best songs ever.tough i would prefer it, not to relate such memories to it^^
I can not even explain how much i love this song, i can listen to it on repeat like forever! i know the whole thing... it is so beautiful.... i would like die is a guy wrote me a song this amazing! it gives me chills, even after heaing it so many times. i <3 Konstantine.
Jack's Mannequin. Not SoHo. SoCo, Something Corporate, yes. Something Corporate came first, this is a Something Corporate song, and then he started Jack's Mannequin. *JM isn't made up of all of Something Corporate, just a couple members missing.
this is the most beautiful song i've ever heard. i hate when people complain about how long it is. that's what makes it amazing! i want this song at my wedding and every other important thing in my life. i ADORE it.
no other love song can top this one and i bet there won't be many other songs reaching konstantine, it's just so full of emotions and changes your mood in a sec you're listening to it...
this is such a beautiful song. andrew is such a true artist. it makes me crazy every time i hear it. i swear, its changed my life. i just wish they sold it in the US
i love this song. just learned to play it on the piano... not too hard but the lyrics are absolutely amazing ("You don't wanna be here in the future, so you say the present's just a pleasant interruption to the past...")
well, haha this is taken from a professionally shot dvd, so the sound quality on andrew is really good. that's why you can't hear the "screaming morons."
omg when he said "I'll always miss you"....so emotional :')
EthansMusic100 2 weeks ago
i would honestly KILL to watch him perform this live
alesish100 4 months ago
1:46 jizz. in. my. pants.
perfectpolyphony 5 months ago
i cant go a day without listening to this song. its sad for me to say that i probably will never get to see my favorite song preformed live. if i ever get the opportunity i would just cry forever. its hard for me to believe that i was like 6 when this came out.
nashvillelights 6 months ago
I still listen to this song at least twice a day..
Jfrancis221 7 months ago
7 people follow Satan.
musicalobsession97 8 months ago 6
Freakin awesome.
quashy 8 months ago
He's fucking GOD. & I'd scream for him being naked too.
MinnesotaGurl16 1 year ago 2
i absolutly love him.
cookieapples 1 year ago 3
Hi, my name's Milky and I love Andrew McMahon!
Randac87 1 year ago
remindes me of my ex, still good sone tho
spenner2786 1 year ago
I love how people screamed when he sang "and i'm naked" ;D
pinkcalculators 1 year ago
i cannot even believe this is live. i have the chills so bad. i cannot even fathom how much i love and admire andrew mcmahon.
jennysaysx 1 year ago
1:56 "And I'm naked." Girls squeal, panties flood, and the entire atmosphere becomes submerged in estrogen.
Secretly (or not so secretly. Hi youtube), I wish I could have been a part of that.
FastforwardTheRewind 1 year ago 13
I love this song so much meaning to me x
xDeadlyAngelx 2 years ago
this song is amazing! I could listen to it over and over
rockermike0 2 years ago 5
his voice is so amazing, sounds exact from live to recorded :)
23Paradtr 2 years ago
Watch the movie, Dear Jack. It's a documentary all about him and his fight with leukemia. It's honestly amazing.
Doeboi9009 2 years ago 7
♥
xxmissaimeejanexx 2 years ago
hey just curious where was this show at ? and when thanks
ljl2616 2 years ago
@ljl2616 this was in California.. Ventura i think. i think it was 2004 or 2005:)
ECbass2008 1 year ago
Oh, how I love that song... :')
FridayImInLove07 2 years ago 5
hes soo hot.
m5productions123 2 years ago 4
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is'nt he reading the lyrics? yes he is^^
frankyboylein 2 years ago
no thats a rag to wipe the sweat haha
m5productions123 2 years ago 4
Where could he even read the lyrics? Are you blind? And Andrew would never do that, this is a really emotional, long song that is really popular among the fans, so it's obvious he wouldn't do that..
rockduude 2 years ago
love 6:18
likelullabiesx 2 years ago
I'm konfused ..
JBJones66 2 years ago 6
LOL I love that scream 1:54 when he says "and im naked"
JBJones66 2 years ago 8
now that you pointed it out...hahaha. funny
Eislow 2 years ago
someone should make them do this just one more time.
konfusionn 2 years ago 34
Im seeing Andrew in a few weeks. Hes playing in NYC. I wanna try really hard to make him play it. Its in a small venue.
DrDownBrowns 2 years ago
amen, amen, amen...
arey051012 2 years ago 2
@konfusionn didn't they just tour? Hope they do it again, cuz it didn't come anywhere near me. I saw Jack's on monday night though, and met andrew after.
EpsilonX 1 year ago
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you kids need to calm down, there's nothing amazing or revolutionary about something corporate, it's bland, repetitive, unoriginal pop music. the lyrics and music are meant to appeal to everyone, to make people feel good, nothing more. listen to the song, it's 9 minutes of the same chord progression over and over again with simple yet lame piano work, and lyrics that make me think of high school relationships.
PH1L4NTHR0PY 2 years ago
the lyrics to this song definately don't make people 'feel good'
bbqthis 2 years ago 5
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Hey mister I spell philanthropy in a gay way.... Let me say that you suck. Your name makes me think of a gay high school relationship.
DrDownBrowns 2 years ago
pop? hooly fuck, go fuck yourself.
prettyinpinklovesyou 2 years ago
Andrew is my hero. |
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greenbutterfly0911 2 years ago
I think out of the 85,770 views... at least 200 of them are mine xD ...but i love this song so much. it makes me so so sad that SoCo is no longer together =[ *tear*
ECbass2008 2 years ago 2
But thankfully there is Jack's Mannequin.
Andrew McMahon is amazing with whatever he is doing.
GiddyGabby 2 years ago 5
ehh..
jack's mannequin is better
toxicsluge 2 years ago
It is the best song ever
Lockeness88 2 years ago 6
beautiful
DrummerTspev63 2 years ago 3
only man to make piano sexy.... apart from Matt Thiessen of course
ConcreteGirl4 2 years ago 3
Who sings this? and whats the name?
NewMoonCD 2 years ago
The one who sings is Andy MacMahon. The band is something corporate. Andy is a musical genius...
Jockaas 2 years ago 3
It's Andrew McMahon. ***
conniechen1130 2 years ago 2
Andrew..
l:
Is my hero..
ChristineRoxUrSox 2 years ago
you would be hard pressed to find a better written song anywhere....maybe Adam Duritz of the counting crows....maybe.
Ishman17 2 years ago
So does anyone know who this song is ACTUALLY about and what the song is talking about?
chickachickajenna831 2 years ago
do you?
e3mm 2 years ago
his ex gf krystal that is why the song is spelled with a k and the line i can spell confusion with a k
krich5 2 years ago
Its talking about how if he got too drunk his girlfriend would be his only "constant" and help him.
Krich5 explained the K thing to me (: thanks :D
TheCandyManwithCandy 2 years ago
Not ONLY if he got too drunk..
ChristineRoxUrSox 2 years ago
please please please please please someone force him to play this song one more time.
princesssaruh 2 years ago 3
he said he'll never play it again live because then he'd have to play it every live show =\
ngilliam12345 2 years ago
I LOVE THIS SONG!!!
THIS IS SOO AWESOME!!!
My friend's so right... This song's AWESOME!!!
OEllaO 2 years ago
its so beautiful i never want to stop hearing it i love it how can someone write something so amazing ^^
iwillseduceyou 2 years ago
this song has just got me though so much crap crnt beleave iv just fond it
leejohnbaines 2 years ago
I'm writing a speech on Andrew right now, and then I realized all he's done has reached beyond the words of my pen. He exceeds every music I ever have and ever will know.
Mcmahonfan4 2 years ago
this song, its is the most beautiful song. the lyrics are amazing, i love andrew.
brittL0VE 2 years ago
i meant he sang star weirdly at 6:21
wikedstar 2 years ago
he sings star at 6:21
wikedstar 2 years ago
lol a whole bunch of people screamed when he sang "and I'm naked"
haha funny...
Andrew McMahon!! we love you!! <3
TheSmartestStupidGuy 2 years ago
My heart - yes, my HEART, not stomach - was filled with butterflies when he sang "I'll always miss you," instead of just "I miss you."
Ohh Andrew. You amaze me more and more every time I hear your voice.
franniiitotallydude 2 years ago
andrew mcmahon.
is god.
his voice is stunning.
the lyrics to this song are beautiful.
and its better live :]
saysayh 3 years ago
seeing that piano reminds me of seeing him live. great time in my life...and i agree epic is an understatement for this kind of artwork that's impossible to explain.
frankthetank11111111 3 years ago
The lyrics are probably too deep for you to understand this beautiful, divine song.
SummerRain210 3 years ago
Fuck Edward Cullen. I want Andrew McMahon. :D:D:D:D
he is AWESOME! I love his voice.
SummerRain210 3 years ago 5
absolutely solid
lantos30 3 years ago
oh this song. fcuking epic!
yahighness 3 years ago
please explain yourself...i just want to hear you justify your reasoning of this beautiful song
allforleyna80 3 years ago 3
He may not play this song live but at a concert this winter he played Cavanaugh Park from SoCo.
smartalecc5 3 years ago
SUCK
MY
BALLS!!!
ANDREW McMahon IS GOD.
NEVER SWEAR ON HIS SONGS AGAIN OR I WILL MURDER YOU.
tsavolde 3 years ago 29
@tsavolde lol
TBROLLIC 10 months ago
epic.
brothercheese 3 years ago 6
"Epic" would be an insult to something godlike as this.
Wrigleyboras 3 years ago 8
true...no words can really describe it.
brothercheese 3 years ago
favorite song of all time. it's soo beautiful and personal! andrew is amazing!
SoFrec 3 years ago 3
Easily the best song ever. It's had a very deep and profound meaning in my life for a few years, now. Everything about it is just flawless.
DioxideKC 3 years ago 2
best song ever written. period.
mottbaseball15 3 years ago 6
Switching between two mics..showboater :p
Beautiful song though.
JonXDom 3 years ago
honestly, i don't want to sound pompous, but this song can only truly be appreciated once you experience it live... its truly amazing, and its sad to know that andrew no longer plays it, but what can you do?
topher057 3 years ago
alex gaskarth and andrew mcmahon should team up.
because they're both AMAZING.
scenecore84 3 years ago
um, alex gaskarth isn't even in comparison to andrew.
alex's lyrics: "Put up or shut up, we're not wasting time again, the credits are rolling and we're getting lost again"
andrew's lyrics: "And if this is what it takes, just to laugh at my mistakes, and live with what I did to you, and all the hell I put you through..I always catch the clock it's 11:11, now you want to talk? It's not hard to dream, you'll always be my Konstantine."
franniiitotallydude 2 years ago 3
I thought it was about a girlfriend named Krystal. The only constant in his life was his girlfriend Krystal... k-onstantine. Isn't this song about how he cheated on her?
singingsweetlips 3 years ago 4
best song ever composed. beautiful
futbolfanantic14 3 years ago
the first time i heard this song i didnt like it, after a while i got used to it and now it is one of the greatest songs i believe ever written
SanPasqualHigh 3 years ago 3
This is the very first SoCo song i heard, that was in 2004 maybe. Now i absolutely love SoCo and Jack's Mannequin. Andrew McMahon is my favorte artist.
southpark5281 3 years ago
probley one of the most talented artist of this generation...
OGcs07 3 years ago 7
wow, he added alot of extra piano in there.
some truly amazing parts.
as a piano player myself, you really appreciate the type of music andrew puts out.
It leaves me in aww.
beardcamfitme 3 years ago 2
lol actually its pretty easy to play...but yes he is amazing :)
Johniswaytoocool 3 years ago
AND sing??? nooooooo!!!!
Legend037 3 years ago
legend037, sometimes the easiest songs to play, can come across as the most complex, diverse sounding sogns. Andrew puts an extreme ammount of emotion into his songs, he turns easy songs into masterpieces, his songs are not hard to play but yet they paint a picture worth more than a thousand words
Michael
Paintballguru92 3 years ago
yea but It's hard to sing and play that riff without mistakes... thats what I meant.. this is one of my favorite song, and I'm amazed at how he turns simple things into a beautiful piece...
Legend037 3 years ago
he's so great at the piano; he plays it when he's not even looking and that's not an easy song to play
elmozakuro 3 years ago
by far the most fantastic version i have heard of this song ever. just so pretty and makes me smile everytime i hear it! :)
hattie2525 3 years ago
It's pretty amazing, but I have this version where he seems to completely lose his mind when he sings he misses her. and then there's this line where he almost whispers; "God, I miss you".. Gosh, it's sooooooo heartbreaking.
.. That version is even better than this one :)
And as for the bad comments :
OH.MYGOD.
How can you not love this song ?
How can you not love Andrew ?
FliemoUnplugged 3 years ago
what version is it? could you post it?
talkedaboutgirl2 3 years ago
i know what youre talking about, its from the album ready...break
its the only studio version of the song
and yeah i know exactly what you mean about how he says god i miss youu
he sounds like hes going to cry, its so emotional, i love andrew!
trsjmsoco 3 years ago
Hoppipolla by Sigur Ros
chrisloudon 3 years ago
What about Hoppipolla? Another great song, but why randomly say it? :S
morris7453 3 years ago
i dont understand how anyone can hate this song
or for that matter, any of andrew's songs.
hes just beyond belief amazing.
IdTapDannyJones 3 years ago
amazing lyrics
amazing voice
amazing live
AMAZING song.
andigauthier 3 years ago 2
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yea, this song is terrible, just awful. i love to read all the comments, especilally the one about the homosexual talkign about himself as he was a hetero, and how he would take him back for this song, SO FUNNY . and how somone tears up evertime they hear the song. this song sucks. anyone who aprecialtes music, i mean good music, will understand that this song is terrible :)
rmhirish999 3 years ago
As someone who APPRICIATES good music, I understand that the make good music, you need a combination of solid instrumentals, moving lyrics, and a strong vocal delivering those lyrics. I believe piano is a solid main instrument, the lyrics are very moving because EVERYONE at one point feels completely lost without someone, and McMahon delivers these specific lyrics amazingly. When you release a song that makes girls scream, or just release a song, I'll shut up. If not, stop being a dick.
tonedawg2189 3 years ago 8
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obviosly i was trying to get a rise out of u,or anyone else. dont be so offended
rmhirish999 3 years ago
don't be hatin' yo i loooove this song
elmozakuro 3 years ago
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gotta give em props cause there good live, but i thnk the guys voice is annoying as fuck. and all the people in audience seem too cool for me. i fucking hate the lead singer i don care if he survived cancer or whatever he did, it doesnt make him sound any fucking better.
KIKIKIMMYP 3 years ago
this is the song of my ex n me shit... it always tears me up. still one of the best songs ever.tough i would prefer it, not to relate such memories to it^^
jodazie 3 years ago
holy. fucking. shit.
this song NEVER gets old. seriously i've been listening to this song for YEARS and it never ceases to amaze me. i love andrew mcmahon.
prettyxwords 3 years ago 2
Uh, I'm almost crying. This gets me every time. Beautiful.
Plottoberry 3 years ago 2
its to dying in anothers arms and why i had to try it...
krich5 3 years ago
probably my favorite SoCo song ever.
it NEVER gets old.
veritaserum 3 years ago 2
he shows great emotions playing the piano :D
simiic2g 3 years ago
beautiful
hellyeaipwn 3 years ago
I can not even explain how much i love this song, i can listen to it on repeat like forever! i know the whole thing... it is so beautiful.... i would like die is a guy wrote me a song this amazing! it gives me chills, even after heaing it so many times. i <3 Konstantine.
oxmeggxo 3 years ago
did this song work? did he get her back?
specialk472 3 years ago
i'm hetrosexual, and even i would take him back if he wrote a song like this for me..
skateboy1211 3 years ago 2
amazing.
lizo1990 3 years ago
i've heard this song 47459724569273456 times, it's one of my favourite songs ever, but this is the first time i've heard a liver version.
i have tears in my ears. i am dead serious, zero exaggeration.
samfish1304 3 years ago
this song is beautiful..
so is andrew in j.m. or SoHo?
thatmildegirl 3 years ago
Jack's Mannequin. Not SoHo. SoCo, Something Corporate, yes. Something Corporate came first, this is a Something Corporate song, and then he started Jack's Mannequin. *JM isn't made up of all of Something Corporate, just a couple members missing.
xtremestar1111 3 years ago
REDBHD, Andrews going to make another album with SoCo
anderson909090 3 years ago 2
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
madiamazing 3 years ago
best song ever
idkalready 3 years ago 2
this is the most beautiful song i've ever heard. i hate when people complain about how long it is. that's what makes it amazing! i want this song at my wedding and every other important thing in my life. i ADORE it.
absolutelybetsy 3 years ago 2
jacks mannequin just isn't the same
REDBHD 3 years ago
its a shame they broke up
REDBHD 3 years ago
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who cares... the guy is still a downright fag
SamZDragons15 3 years ago
is that why he gets more pussy than you?
AsianJohnXD 3 years ago 4
great vid, even better song!
shadowdyl 3 years ago
Timisasweetdude, he has a f*cking wife you douche bag
SamZDragons15 3 years ago
i think he ment it as a joke...
shadowdyl 3 years ago
dude must get so much ass with this song
"hey...this is for you"
instant sex
Timisasweetdude 3 years ago
this song is my all time favorite song
-- if you cant tell by my name.
it never ceases to amaze me in its beauty or moving lyrics
this song enchants me everytime i hear it.
its like i fall in love all over again
xomyxkonstantinexo 3 years ago
no other love song can top this one and i bet there won't be many other songs reaching konstantine, it's just so full of emotions and changes your mood in a sec you're listening to it...
jodazie 3 years ago
best 9-and-1/2-minute-long piano epic ever
FormaLSDParty 3 years ago 3
their music is so amazing.
i wake up to it everyday because it's that moving.
LesPaulSmIth92 3 years ago
omgg i watch this dvd like everydayy..
prettyxwords 3 years ago
Truly an incredible song, but I hate to be a pessimist...the rest of their music is not so good.
freshe5b 3 years ago
are you serious?
you obviously have a right to your own opinion, im not trying to change you mind,
but in my opinion every single soco and jacks mannequin song has sooo much meaning behind all the lyrics and all the music is beautifully written
trsjmsoco 3 years ago
unbelievable song.
andrew is amazing.
i could watch this dvd everyday for the rest of my life.
sneakerpimp023 4 years ago 5
Excellent song, long as hell, but excellent
sullydownunder 4 years ago 3
this song is so beautiful
twntytwo 4 years ago 3
Andrew is a GOD.
AShores93 4 years ago 4
Ja bester Song von Something Corporate. Wie oft hab ich das Lied gehört? Einfach genial. ^^
Pittrockk 4 years ago
ice started to learn it on piano and its not that easy but not hard..i dont acutally play piano tho. it is a beautiful song tho!
DFhima 4 years ago
haha same hear., i cant get the beggining part right., like the right hand
DanceBro123 4 years ago
Simply amazing.
OhhSnapStephanie 4 years ago
amazing song!
allforleyna80 4 years ago
i am in love with this song!!!!!<3<3<3
TRAVISLUVER1012 4 years ago
One of the best songs ever! The lyrics is amazing..
Milltonn 4 years ago 2
this is such a beautiful song. andrew is such a true artist. it makes me crazy every time i hear it. i swear, its changed my life. i just wish they sold it in the US
kirstenko 4 years ago
this song makes me cry and at the same time feel very like...i can't put a finger on it. but it's beautiful.
jorgie122 4 years ago
sums up every major breakup ever
aaront596 4 years ago 3
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i have sex while this song is playing
SpanishTickler 4 years ago
one love
imprettyamazing 4 years ago
7:29 to 7:53. The whole world comes crashing down.
mrawesome15 4 years ago 5
Perfection
jdk1238 4 years ago 5
exactly
mrawesome15 4 years ago
i love this song. just learned to play it on the piano... not too hard but the lyrics are absolutely amazing ("You don't wanna be here in the future, so you say the present's just a pleasant interruption to the past...")
Fav part - 6:54. i die then. hahah.
rolawrlz 4 years ago
"You gotta get out, you can't stand to see me shaking"
that line KILLS me so badly every time
and the part about not standing being alone
imuhstarr 4 years ago
my older sister got married two weeks ago, and at the reception, this was their first song. there was definitely lots of crying
Gwelphie 4 years ago
such a cute song
gotthetshirt 4 years ago
im glad people that go to something corporate concerts actually understand that they go to hear the band play...
i was kind of scared to listen to this for fear of all the screaming morons.
toosadforhollywood 4 years ago
well, haha this is taken from a professionally shot dvd, so the sound quality on andrew is really good. that's why you can't hear the "screaming morons."
but yeah, i hate when that happens.
TheRealKonstantine 4 years ago
THE best song in the world..
devonsusername 4 years ago
One of the very few songs ever to make me cry <3
SociallyRejected 4 years ago
I love this song it is absolutely amazing, it's a shame more people haven't heard it.....
perfect6661 4 years ago