you have a beautiful voice. I could just listen to it all the time. Great info. I appreciate it. In my neck of the woods back home, the cherokee i think or maybe its the choctaw have reservations where they painstakingly try to gather and keep as much as their language as possible. My great grandfather was native american. He taught his children and grand children many great things about the earth. He passed down a lot of great knowledge.
I think the only way to save these languages, which really are treasures of humanity, is teaching them to the children of the people speaking them. In many countries the majority language is still forced on tribal people by the school system. IMO schools in tribal areas should teach both the tribal- and the national language. Kids should learn their own heritage and get the opportunity to integrate in modern society.
This is an excellent article. Thank you for talking about this Jasmine! I will try to make a video response as the comment section is not a fit enough forum. That or a blog post. :)
@YeOldeHeretic Sounds nice Laurel :) HannibalBarca ( Now SeleukosNicator323 ) before he took away his old channel hade a really good video response to this :) look foward to your blog or video response :)
Get someone who has a language that isn't on google to make videos talking about stuff. The important part is getting the data. Secondary is interpretation and clarity. You have an eternity for that once you have the data in long-standing form.
@Eopyk By the way, anyone who thinks that we shouldn't care about these minor languages, just imagine how you would feel if it was your language that was going extinct. Its rather bigoted to just tell these people that our language is better, and that they should just except it. People who think that way, should be asked, "How would you like it, if things were reversed, and it was your language that was dieing out instead?"
Well I think there are some things we can learn to do better, this whole noble savage kind of reverse modernism doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't tribal people have a choice if they want to live that way or not? It all seems like it's being forced just to help keep groups of people in poverty so that westerners can feel like they are doing the right thing. Making it more of a they chose it to take away their guilt of not being able to or wanting to help them.
Ironic isn't it? in the era of ordinary people having access to Terabytes worth of information storage space, we still manage to lose entire languages... Realistically we have the ability to be able to store all the knowledge about a language on the net nowadays, that is if we had people willing to write it down.
But its the way things go, languages either change and adapt or die off. if there's no-one left to speak it, the best you can do is document it.
@DackIsBack That is truly sad. I hope that the project to preseve it sucseeds. I personally love the sound of Scottish Gealic. It is more pure magic for me to just hear sentence of it.
Learn in schools the original languages. Communication is important. Let all the different cultures. Learn about eachother. Let the town elders. Film about there cultures. And put it on the internet.
It's just that language is how we think. We don't know what human thought, that may not be replaceable, is disappearing with the languages. Preserving language preserves wisdom. Languages no longer have to separate us. We can have a universal language (unfortunately, it appears it's going to be English), yet preserve local knowledge. Assimilation is seldom beneficial to our species. I have friends who were literally kidnapped into boarding schools, removed from Navajo. It's cultural trauma.
Made that previous post before I knew you had a question, sorry.
I'm not convinced that losing languages is a bad thing and I don't think memes should be intentionally preserved. In fact, one major obstacle to solving the world's problems is that people are separated by languages, traditions, and memes in general. I'd rather see them united by a single language, than separated by thousands.
Having no word for snow is not an obstacle to understanding the properties of every kind.
@SAsgarters P 1 To put it short without going into to much detail. Well since language effects thought ones does bring downb the variance of human thoughts and experience. Which will result in more intelectualy worse situations and whose ability to find creative sullotions are reduced. Allso for literature and art it is not good with monolingualism. They are are often reflective to the enviroment, culture and society it is spoken in. Also speaking the same language does not have to
@Eopyk But to what extent does it really affect thought? The claim is frequently repeated, but rarely demonstrated.
Languages also change to serve their purpose better. Take any language, expose it to new conditions and new words start emerging. I know it's not just about words, but it does show that language does not limit creativity, creativity limits language. Ideas will be expressed and language will be reshaped to convey them.
@SAsgarters P 1 Well auctually modern reasearch shows language to be very inportant in influence how people think and how they precive the world. Because we precice the world in language. Mentality, thought proccesses and association are influenced by the mother tounge we speak.The Pirahã of south america is a prime example for this. They have no native numerals in there language result is that they have hard time learning to understand the concept of abstract numbers or even count 1 + 1
@Eopyk But it still seems like something that we developed in response to a need to be able to express abstract numbers. It didn't come with the language.
@SAsgarters Well the point here is that there has been attempts to teach the Pirahã basic numeric math and numerals but it has not gone well at all and this is atributed to there language. What that showed is what is easy to grasp for us who grow up with languages capable of such exact abstract messurments have the ability to grasp it and think in numbers as we do when count time, prices, amounts and trade and science.Is hard for those who do not have it in there language :)
@SAsgarters P 2 Likewise the Pirahã language also lacks nay native word for god so they never think about the concept other than maybe recently when missionaries have comed to there areas. There language is also extremly present based it is extremly diffult to describe any distant past event or far future event meaning that the speakers think and live here and now maybe the reason why the concept is not inportant to them.
Och glöm inte vårt ord lagom :) Det finns inte i engelskan :)
@Eopyk "Och glöm inte vårt ord lagom :) Det finns inte i engelskan :)"
Nej, det stämmer. Men om någon vill uttrycka något som man på svenska skulle uttrycka med ordet lagom, så råder det ingen brist på uttryck sänder exakt samma meddelande, utan att det finns risk för att någon missuppfattar vilken betydelse av lagom som avses.
@SAsgarters P 2lead to war. Prime example would be Yugoslavia allmost all speaking Serbo-Croation did not mean nor maintain peace in those areas. The fact that Irish almost went exitinct in Ireland did not prevent the Irish from wanting independence or maintaining there identity. Another problem is that there is no evidence that English, Spanish, Chinese etc are better languages for communication or thought other than that they are large and economicly functional.But thanks for your comments
@Eopyk I didn't mean it would lead to war, necessarily. But the language barrier, and cultural barriers, are ultimately barriers.
I want large, economically funtional languages. They are practical. They provide common ground and they do help overcome communication problems. There's a reason why I'm writing this in English och inte på svenska. ;)
The only thing I can think of is forming a nonprofit group (or donating to one if one already exists) that pays linguists to go out and learn and record these languages before there's no one left who speaks them. Any language rescued in this way isn't completely rescued, but it's better than nothing.
you have a beautiful voice. I could just listen to it all the time. Great info. I appreciate it. In my neck of the woods back home, the cherokee i think or maybe its the choctaw have reservations where they painstakingly try to gather and keep as much as their language as possible. My great grandfather was native american. He taught his children and grand children many great things about the earth. He passed down a lot of great knowledge.
khalilahinjapan 3 weeks ago
Excellent video; subbed.
I think the only way to save these languages, which really are treasures of humanity, is teaching them to the children of the people speaking them. In many countries the majority language is still forced on tribal people by the school system. IMO schools in tribal areas should teach both the tribal- and the national language. Kids should learn their own heritage and get the opportunity to integrate in modern society.
62netty 1 month ago
Excellent video.Thanks for posting it.
cosmicskydaddy1 1 month ago
This is an excellent article. Thank you for talking about this Jasmine! I will try to make a video response as the comment section is not a fit enough forum. That or a blog post. :)
<3
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 1 month ago
@YeOldeHeretic Sounds nice Laurel :) HannibalBarca ( Now SeleukosNicator323 ) before he took away his old channel hade a really good video response to this :) look foward to your blog or video response :)
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 1 month ago
Get someone who has a language that isn't on google to make videos talking about stuff. The important part is getting the data. Secondary is interpretation and clarity. You have an eternity for that once you have the data in long-standing form.
SomethingSea1 2 months ago
@Eopyk By the way, anyone who thinks that we shouldn't care about these minor languages, just imagine how you would feel if it was your language that was going extinct. Its rather bigoted to just tell these people that our language is better, and that they should just except it. People who think that way, should be asked, "How would you like it, if things were reversed, and it was your language that was dieing out instead?"
GargamelGold 3 months ago
@Eopyk That article is as beautifully written as it is sad.
GargamelGold 3 months ago
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Well I think there are some things we can learn to do better, this whole noble savage kind of reverse modernism doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't tribal people have a choice if they want to live that way or not? It all seems like it's being forced just to help keep groups of people in poverty so that westerners can feel like they are doing the right thing. Making it more of a they chose it to take away their guilt of not being able to or wanting to help them.
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Ironic isn't it? in the era of ordinary people having access to Terabytes worth of information storage space, we still manage to lose entire languages... Realistically we have the ability to be able to store all the knowledge about a language on the net nowadays, that is if we had people willing to write it down.
But its the way things go, languages either change and adapt or die off. if there's no-one left to speak it, the best you can do is document it.
universalJok3r 3 months ago
Good video sis, I was going to mention about Scottish Gaelic but Dack beat me to it lol.
ScreamsFromTheAbyss 3 months ago
I think the best approach is to have universities archive and preserve them and make schools teach them...
DackIsBack 3 months ago
There are only 60,000 people left in Scotland who speak Gaelic, My great grandfather spoke it... but it stopped there.
Fortunately our universities are trying to preserve it and revive the language with the Partnership to save Gaelic etc..etc.
Saor Alba :'(
DackIsBack 3 months ago
@DackIsBack That is truly sad. I hope that the project to preseve it sucseeds. I personally love the sound of Scottish Gealic. It is more pure magic for me to just hear sentence of it.
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 3 months ago
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DackIsBack 3 months ago
Learn in schools the original languages. Communication is important. Let all the different cultures. Learn about eachother. Let the town elders. Film about there cultures. And put it on the internet.
yasminevinck 3 months ago
@yasminevinck Not a bad idea :)
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 3 months ago
@yasminevinck Yeah, exactly.
SomethingSea1 2 months ago
It's just that language is how we think. We don't know what human thought, that may not be replaceable, is disappearing with the languages. Preserving language preserves wisdom. Languages no longer have to separate us. We can have a universal language (unfortunately, it appears it's going to be English), yet preserve local knowledge. Assimilation is seldom beneficial to our species. I have friends who were literally kidnapped into boarding schools, removed from Navajo. It's cultural trauma.
rriverstone1 3 months ago
@rriverstone1 That I understand and great comment spot on :)
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 3 months ago
Made that previous post before I knew you had a question, sorry.
I'm not convinced that losing languages is a bad thing and I don't think memes should be intentionally preserved. In fact, one major obstacle to solving the world's problems is that people are separated by languages, traditions, and memes in general. I'd rather see them united by a single language, than separated by thousands.
Having no word for snow is not an obstacle to understanding the properties of every kind.
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters P 1 To put it short without going into to much detail. Well since language effects thought ones does bring downb the variance of human thoughts and experience. Which will result in more intelectualy worse situations and whose ability to find creative sullotions are reduced. Allso for literature and art it is not good with monolingualism. They are are often reflective to the enviroment, culture and society it is spoken in. Also speaking the same language does not have to
Eopyk 3 months ago
@Eopyk But to what extent does it really affect thought? The claim is frequently repeated, but rarely demonstrated.
Languages also change to serve their purpose better. Take any language, expose it to new conditions and new words start emerging. I know it's not just about words, but it does show that language does not limit creativity, creativity limits language. Ideas will be expressed and language will be reshaped to convey them.
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters P 1 Well auctually modern reasearch shows language to be very inportant in influence how people think and how they precive the world. Because we precice the world in language. Mentality, thought proccesses and association are influenced by the mother tounge we speak.The Pirahã of south america is a prime example for this. They have no native numerals in there language result is that they have hard time learning to understand the concept of abstract numbers or even count 1 + 1
Eopyk 3 months ago
@Eopyk But it still seems like something that we developed in response to a need to be able to express abstract numbers. It didn't come with the language.
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters Well the point here is that there has been attempts to teach the Pirahã basic numeric math and numerals but it has not gone well at all and this is atributed to there language. What that showed is what is easy to grasp for us who grow up with languages capable of such exact abstract messurments have the ability to grasp it and think in numbers as we do when count time, prices, amounts and trade and science.Is hard for those who do not have it in there language :)
All love
Eopyk 3 months ago
@SAsgarters P 2 Likewise the Pirahã language also lacks nay native word for god so they never think about the concept other than maybe recently when missionaries have comed to there areas. There language is also extremly present based it is extremly diffult to describe any distant past event or far future event meaning that the speakers think and live here and now maybe the reason why the concept is not inportant to them.
Och glöm inte vårt ord lagom :) Det finns inte i engelskan :)
Eopyk 3 months ago
@Eopyk "Och glöm inte vårt ord lagom :) Det finns inte i engelskan :)"
Nej, det stämmer. Men om någon vill uttrycka något som man på svenska skulle uttrycka med ordet lagom, så råder det ingen brist på uttryck sänder exakt samma meddelande, utan att det finns risk för att någon missuppfattar vilken betydelse av lagom som avses.
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters P 2lead to war. Prime example would be Yugoslavia allmost all speaking Serbo-Croation did not mean nor maintain peace in those areas. The fact that Irish almost went exitinct in Ireland did not prevent the Irish from wanting independence or maintaining there identity. Another problem is that there is no evidence that English, Spanish, Chinese etc are better languages for communication or thought other than that they are large and economicly functional.But thanks for your comments
Eopyk 3 months ago
@Eopyk I didn't mean it would lead to war, necessarily. But the language barrier, and cultural barriers, are ultimately barriers.
I want large, economically funtional languages. They are practical. They provide common ground and they do help overcome communication problems. There's a reason why I'm writing this in English och inte på svenska. ;)
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters the reason why the god concep is not the inportant for themt *
Did a typo sorry :)
Eopyk 3 months ago
The species extinction rate may be as high as 140000 species per year, or 400 per day, or one every 4 minutes.
SAsgarters 3 months ago
@SAsgarters Yeah they are disapearcing quicly too.. Main diffrence that the amount species is way more than the amount of tounges.
All love and respect :)
Eopyk 3 months ago
The only thing I can think of is forming a nonprofit group (or donating to one if one already exists) that pays linguists to go out and learn and record these languages before there's no one left who speaks them. Any language rescued in this way isn't completely rescued, but it's better than nothing.
thethegreenmachine 3 months ago