Vadican priest George Coyne believes in evolution,radiometric has not been dis proved honestly where do these morons get their info,propaganda put out by creationists to try to cover up the truth.
Romans 1:21Because when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, & their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, & to birds, & fourfooted beasts, & creeping things.
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, & worshipped & served the creature more than the Creator.
@DonDarkrai Starvation, disease, fatigue and so on, are current issues that we would not have as much of if humans were "evolved". Not to mention senseless killing and cruelity. Most times it seems as though animals are more "evolved", than humans. Well in my opinion at least lol.
@Rennhub that still doesn't define primitive, because animals kill other animals for no reason as well, there's also famine and disease in the animal world not just humans, give me a better explanation...
I do believe that life is billion of years old, but if the theory of evolution is true, someone had to create the first atom that evolutioned into something else, maybe creation did not happened like the bible says, but everything comes down to someone creating the first form of life for it to evolution! Even the most atheist person, at some point of their life ask God for help!
I need to ask WHEN or HOW did all these missing links come up missing? Was their some massive time altering comet, or cataclysmic black hole that sucked each and every one of the missing fossils and ONLY the missing fossils into a 5th dimension, while at the same time leaving all the other fossils all over the planet intact?
@Crazywoodman EVERY missing fossil is missing until it's found. What the hell are you rambling about? Prove to me you grew up from the body of the baby you once were? Where's the missing time from each birthday picture? You couldn't have changed from year to year because there's no evidence that you actually grew up except that you have a baby pic and a few pics in between. Because you don't have pics from every day, you must not have grown up from that baby. growing old is just a theory.
@relic1076 “The lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled.”
Just go, go read, go learn, go see some step by step transitions. Again, it doesn't matter what is said or shown to you, you're too wrapped up into your deluded little world that you can't even for a minute get your head out of your butt to actually learn something. I'm done with this conversation as it's more than obvious you don't give two shits about learning anything. You have no desire to broaden your mind, you just want to stay in your hole.
@relic1076 You can stay in your insulting, deluded, brainwashed little hole thinking you know all the answers and I will continue learning by reading, studying and asking questions. Are you sure you are done? It seems to me you like arguing and insulting people that don't believe like you do
@Crazywoodman That last post was the first thing on here you could call an "insult". You say you want to keep learning by reading and asking questions, but reading creation websites and not taking into consideration the answers of anyone who doesn't say "god's magic" isn't going to get you anywhere. All the evidence is out there for you to take in, you just don't think it's true, but a 2000+ year old book that says dead people rise and men walk on water? Yea.... That book has the real truth.
@FlyHard107X What god do you believe in? Seriously? Obviously not the God of the Bible! So what way do you believe god created the earth and where did you learn it from, if I may ask?
Actullay it's kind of an old boring question now. Darwin vs the bible that is. I could see a show that examines gaps in one transformation of a specie to another and such without bringing up God.
@TruthatCearcie No, they aren't the same thing. Creationism states that everything was made in it's current form. That's just about the complete and total opposite of what evolution claims. How can you possibly think they are the 'same thing;?
@relic1076 If you know the end result of your actions including all collateral aspects than merely choosing to start that action is the same as planning and causing those results. If I mail you a letter through the mail or send you an email I can expect you to get it you don’t just magically get mail for no reason. There is a process and I would have to start that process. “Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind” said Darwin. So am I, evolution is a tool.
Evolution states that the mail was written word by word and sealed into an envelope, then mailed to reach it's destination. It goes through many transfers in this process as it travels along.
The creationist states "this letter magically appeared here by our lord god creating it in it's completed form here for us to read."
There IS a difference there. In creation, there is no process. It simply is a finished product from the beginning.
Your statement implies that I agree with there beliefs and I don't they are just as misguided as you. Why would I study their beliefs, why did you, shouldn't you be more concerned with facts. I don't care about their "opinions" any more than I care about yours. Evolution is provable because one can show that it happens and under what circumstances it happens. Outside of this neither you nor they have proof of squat.
@TruthatCearcie I didn't say you agree with them. You said C & E are synonymous. I asked how you could think they're the same seeing as the two are polar opposites. You gave an analogy, I said how the analogy would look from both aspects.
I'm in agreement that evolution is provable. What I'm not in agreement on, is you stating that evolution and creation are synonymous. They are completely different in their conclusions about life.
How is saying they aren't the same misguided exactly?
@relic1076 Part Two: My argument is they could be correct if you are willing to accept that knowing every conceivable aspect of every action will produce knowable results. Soooo, if you make all the rules then set everything in motion you can see all the little dominoes fall into place for billions of years. Frankly, I can’t see why the Supreme Being would take what we would perceive as six days to create everything unless said being let a subordinate do it, according to the Old Testament.
@relic1076 Part One: We both see Darwin as mostly correct. You apparently feel there is no god whereas Darwin felt god was the original spark of life and I can't or disprove either prospective so further analysis is a wast of time. Other theorists have proven that evolution can happen rapidly, Darwin could not see this and was wrong, so that is Darwin and evolution in a nutshell. Creationists "believe" that god created all life whole and complete in an instant... to be continued…
@TruthatCearcie The bible is quite clear that all the fowl, fish, land animals, bugs, humans, all living things were created separately and of their own "kind" in an instant. Again, completely opposite of what the evidence from the evolutionary theory shows. You seem to be taking an apologetic route in attempting to say creationism states the same thing that evolution does by claiming that the steps were put in motion for an eventual end result. That is most certainly not what creationism says.
So now you are lumping all the various forms of Creationists, Christians Muslims and other old testament theologians together in one heap. what do you have something against other religions that they aren't even worthy of mention. I don't care how specific you perceived the old testament to be and it takes a lot of gall for you to sight something you don't believe in and therefore could never see with an open mind as evidence
@relic1076 Simple thing is this. These things do NOT belong in a classroom to be taught to children. Sadly the whole damn reason that this show is even on is because religion is such a huge part of American society. The fact that "durrrrrrr it don't say it in the bible like dat so it cant be real durdurdurrrr." is the reason this is even a topic at all.
If it said somewhere in the bible that gravity was a force of mystical pixies screaming down from the heavens, then we'd be arguing newton.
@relic1076 Part Four: Me “so a sphere looks like a turtle in a shallow puddle and it’s reflection?” This little story could go on for days but let’s stop there. Don’t you dare put words into my mouth and say that I think these people are stupid because we are almost identical to these people and we can make it into space. Individual understanding is based heavily on experiences. If you don’t believe me have a child and start explaining…
@TruthatCearcie 1: I'm not putting words in your mouth and saying you think anyone is stupid. 2: The world and all life on it was not created in a week. 3: The world is not floating on the back of a giant turtle. 4: A bird did not swim to the depths of the ocean and take some mud and use it to form all the land on the planet. 5: The scientific theory of evolution is most certainly not the same as the biblical story of creation.
#5 was the first and last comment that was intended to be discussed.
Wow, I just started looking at your other comments to the comments of other people. Looks like you have your hands full. Well at least I can be reasonably sure you're not a troll. Let us revisit evolution shall we because this video is about evolution and not theology. Outside of extinction or some kind of species wide suspended existence, would a breedable colony ever stop evolving?
@TruthatCearcie So long as there are environmental pressures or mating pressures, then no, evolution would not stop. Personally I think evolution is a constant, it has times where it happens more quickly, and times where very little change over vast periods of time happens. It's all dependent on environment and reproduction pressures. Keep any population separated in a completely different area and the differences are seen. Aside from opossums, why are marsupials found primarily in Australia?
@relic1076 Oops, I was concentrating on a species being forced to stop evolving and forgot to include environmental pressures and mating pressures or free will among sentient beings for that matter, my bad. Yes evolution is essentially a constant that will continue for centuries, millennia or trillion-billion-millennia. In just 10 millennia of recorded history (give or take) we have gone from hopping across the grasslands to hopping across the surface of the moon.
@TruthatCearcie "Yes evolution is essentially a constant that will continue for centuries, millennia or trillion-billion-millennia. In just 10 millennia of recorded history (give or take) we have gone from hopping across the grasslands to hopping across the surface of the moon."
So where exactly are we in disagreement here then?? Life evolved, check... Took a long long time... check... science has moved mankind leaps and bounds.. check.... Yea, confused on what we're in disagreement about now.
@relic1076 I don’t think we are exactly in disagreement. I think there is some misunderstanding as to what each of us thinks of as possible and how that relates to what is actually possible. Do you think it is possible to continue to evolve physically and intellectually for long enough to outlive the existence of this universe as we would currently define it?
@TruthatCearcie I don't think it possible to outlive the existence of the universe as is currently defined, no. Do I think it possible science finds what I guess could be called loopholes into other universes, like string theory and such? It's possible, but I'm confident it won't happen in our lifetime. I'm content living my ~90 years or so on this world and ceasing to exist.
@relic1076 Oh wait, you are taking the word “outlive” to literally mean you personally as an individual but I mean collectively as a species. Let’s try that again. Do you think it is possible “for a species” to continue to evolve physically and intellectually for long enough to outlive the existence of this universe as we would currently define it? After all you personally are not going to evolve all that much.
@TruthatCearcie No no, I don't think a species can outlive the universe. The universe by definition contains all that is within that realm of existence. To move beyond all that exists isn't plausible in my mind. To exist beyond all that exists would then entail that new existence to contain that existence in which it resides, thus expanding the universe. So no, I don't believe evolution is going to ever move us into a collective 'mind state' if that's what you're referring to.
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@relic1076 "The scientific theory of evolution is most certainly not the same as the biblical story of creation." Yes, I agree with you on that. The scientific theory of evolution has no beginning and the biblical story of creation does! "The world and all life on it was not created in a week." How can you say that if you have no answer to where life came from?
@relic1076 Part Three: You “an inanimate object or thing is something that is not alive and a ball is a sphere like, well like, um, if you took two turtle sells and held them together at the rim than together they would kind of look like a sphere.” Me “what do you mean not alive, the wisest man I ever knew said everything is alive. Oh, if only you could meet him but he is dead now.” You flashback to a moment when you spoke to his ancestor on the topic of microbiology.
@TruthatCearcie I understand where you're coming from. Long ago, mankind did not have the technology or science to explain things like it does now. I wouldn't explain it verbally like "hold 2 turtle shells". I would grab some dirt and make a ball. That would be the way to show them.
It's all good to try to explain things like they did sure. But when the 'real' answer comes along and gives a MUCH better definition, the old should no longer apply. Science destroys religious folklore over time.
@relic1076 Part Two: That would be too easy and not at all entertaining. During this time why don’t we assume I am one of these individuals that you are going to speak with. Now, explain everything. You “The earth is round.” Me “like a turtles back?” You “no I mean it is a sphere.” Me “like what?” You “like a ball.” Me “what is a ball?” You “a ball is an inanimate spherical thing.” Me “what is inanimate and what is spherical, is that the ball thing because I have never seen a ball.”
@relic1076 Part One: That’s funny you went from a merely closed mind to one that is hermetically sealed. Ok I don’t mind taking a stab at that seal at least until you bore me. Let’s say hypothetically that you are capable of visiting an individual from each of the theologies you are belittling as that theology is being formed. Remember, theologies develop over decades, centuries and even millennia so you don’t get to talk to all of its founders at once.
You seem awfully busy with nitpicking minutia. There isn’t one human being on this planet that can reasonably hope to fully understand most things I could easily argue, in fact I will argue that perhaps no one will ever know everything about anything at least until the human species has evolved into something else.
@TruthatCearcie you're taking it well beyond the realm of your original statement. Evolutionary theory and creationism are two abhorrently different idea's. That's all I originally stated. You're going way out of the way to bring in "we can't understand everything there is to know" talk. The simple fact is that the two are completely different on just about every measure of how things became to be the way they are today. To state otherwise is to be blatantly ignorant of what either is about.
With a title like Was Darwin Wrong, you'd expect a serious look into both sides of the argument, but this video just explains how evolution works and doesnt really explore any validities in Creationism.
Its so crazy how people allow themselves to be brainwashed. You cannot deny the fact that we look like monkeys. You can't deny that your housecat looks kinda like a lion. You can't deny that dinosaurs once ruled the Earth. Written language has existed for maybe a 1/10 the length of modern human existence. How can any reasonable person take the bible or any legend that attempts to explain the beggining of the Universe seriously!?
@WAKEUPshift111 I love the way science attempts to explain the beginnings of the universe. The thing that gets me is creation and evolution end up in the same place if you go back far enough! Either you have faith that God created the universe or have faith in the scientific theory (Big Bang). Evolution is a theory of the rise of man, it doesn't explain how life started!
@Crazywoodman Who made the claim that evolution explains life's origins? That would be abiogenesis I do believe, which is an entirely different matter.
That's like looking at how computer monitors have changed over the years and then yelling that it's all BS because how they changed doesn't tell you how the plastic got there in the first place.
@relic1076 Wakeupshift111 said, How can any reasonable person take the bible or any legend that attempts to explain the beggining of the Universe seriously!? Um Darwins theory is on the origins of life is it not? So you tell me then, explain life's origins? There are man made theories about where and how life began but they don't hold a shred of evidence!
@Crazywoodman Evolutionary theory most certainly isn't on the origins of life. That is as far as I'm going with this conversation as you obviously have no idea what evolutionary theory actually says about life. I'll say again though, it DOESN'T explain the origins of life, only what happened once life arose.
You're ALL the same, instead of answering my question you go on with insults. Whats funnier is you make yourself look dumb echoing what I said and then saying I have no Idea! I said, "Evolution is a theory of the rise of man, it doesn't explain how life started!" My question is the same, How did life evolve from nothing? That's as far as your going because you obviously have no answer, but it surely wasn't God! Unlike some I actually look at both sides and weigh the evidence
@Crazywoodman You're question ISN'T the same. Evolution isn't even a 'theory of the rise of man'. It's the friggin' theory of how ALL LIFE changes. Evolution doesn't try to touch the beginning of life. That's abiogenesis, which is something completely different. You're asking for an apple when all that's for sale is an orange.
saying "god did it" explains nothing, nothing at all. But as long as "god did it", that's good enough an answer for you. The world cannot advance as a whole like that.
@relic1076 So let me get this right, 1: Science not having an answer 2: Not certain 3: Not certain 4: Not certain 5: fossils don't show that, yet they keep searching for that elusive missing link. 6: But that's not evolution, that's adaptation, or even mutation.
@relic1076 Cont. . . 7: WHEN or HOW did all these missing links come up missing? Was their some massive time altering comet, or cataclysmic black hole that sucked each and every one of the missing fossils and ONLY the missing fossils into a 5th dimension, while at the same time leaving all the other fossils all over the planet intact? 8: They have literally dropped their original definition of evolution, picked up mutation, and tagged it evolution. You simply hate the idea of a Creator God
@Crazywoodman There are TONS of fossils that show the slow changes over time. Like I told you in the first message I sent. Go to the natural history museum. They have a whole section dedicated to evolution. It's pretty impressive.
And just because science has yet to nail down every little detail, that does NOT mean "god did it".
Adaptation is mutation, just happens that it's mutation for the betterment of survival.
I don't hate the idea of a creator god. There's simply no EVIDENCE.
@Crazywoodman It's not as complicated as you make it. Fossilization is not a super common process. Certain conditions have to exist for remains to become fossilized. The "missing" fossils are not missing at all. They never existed. The missing remains, however, decomposed like any other dead biological organism does over time. No need to make it so complicated, or to make this fairly straight forward thing sound so remarkable or dramatic. Your analogies are beyond questionable.
@dudepal187 Thank you for not judging me...most do. And i can see what your saying, and besides my beleive in God controlling the evolution (and us discovering evolution is just seeing how he made it) I typically agree with what you are saying. People shouldn't over think the conbination beween science and religion. Religion is wonderful (in my beliefs) but i know that it has 'limitation' on some people and make them ignorant of the world of science.
I don't know why the hell they are calling natural selection a force. It's not some mystical force guided by nature. It's an observation and labeling of the way animals die out, and survive..
It's not a magical 'force'. Calling it a force is an extreme misnomer..
people need to chill the fuck out ! Evolution is a fact we see it happen all the time. Some examples would be: the Flu, bacteria, and insects(in the fields). science does not seek to disprove the existence of a """""God""""" it deals w/ the natural world, religion deals w/ the supernatural. so yeah, any arguments attacking evolution because of religious reasons ... well they are quite absurd.
As far as i'm concerned.. Just because evolution occurred does not mean life wasn't created by God.
The way I see it, is we are like a dog trying to figure out how to get a treat out from under a bowl. To us its so obvious but to them they just can't understand. I don't think that these are questions that humans can or should ever know for sure. That would destroy the purpose of faith!
@AC2020x Yea but that argument is silly for so many reasons. It's an argument called god of the gaps where you posit god in the face of scientific ignorance. Just because we dont know something doesnt mean an answer isn't out there. You could make this claim for every question in history from what is the boiling point of water to how old is the earth. Besides that argument isn't theistic it's deistic and doesn't validate faith, it simply invalidates reason and science.
@AC2020x i am not saying you are wrong...just asking you a question you might be able to enlighten me on. how was all life created in seven days and nights 2000 years ago if it has been proven life was around 100's of millions of years ago? have a great day.
@erikwilliamson77 I agree with you on many of your points... I'm not really sure if what I was trying to convey is what I actually said. And I agree that there are plenty answers out there that we have yet to find an answer to. I'm not sure we will ever find a definitive answer to how the universe was created though. I'm not sure where you heard the universe was created 2000 years ago. But that's when God sent his son Jesus to the earth.
@erikwilliamson77 all life created in seven days and nights 2000 years ago?? Will you please direct me to the proof life was around 100's of millions of years ago. Or should I take your word for it?
@Crazywoodman As far as I'm aware, there's a tree that's in the range of 4,000 years old or so. Not sure exactly how old it's said to be, but somewhere in that range.
When did the first simple single cell organisms come about? I think that's in the range of 3.5-4.0 billion years.. somewhere in there.
No idea why I'm bothering to answer, because you are of the mindset that if it isn't biblical, it isn't true. So it's irrelevant to even carry on the conversation, not like you'll actually read up.
@relic1076 I would love to go there!! Was that another poke at my intelligence telling me to go learn something? I have never heard life was created in seven days 2000 years ago, Where did you make that up at? You are obviously ignorant on creation and religion! you need some book learnin jethro!! You all contradict each other? Is it 14 billion? 3 billion? 100's of millions or ?
@Crazywoodman I didn't say life was created 2000 years ago. I'm not ignorant of the creation story of genesis however. Lets see here.. *pulls out his handy bible here*
Genesis 1:20 - 1:28... God creates all life on the planet on day 4 and 5 of his creation. All birds, fish, land creature, man... On an earlier day he managed to make plants before he made the sun, but hey, whatever. Kindly guide me to what part I'm mistaken on here? Tell me where my ignorance regarding the creation story is? thx
@relic1076 Yes actually you did say that!! And your ignorant comment about plants before the Sun shows just how deluded you are when it comes to God! God is light and he created LIGHT FIRST!!! All you want to do is argue. You have No idea why your bothering to answer, because I am of the mindset that if it isn't biblical, it isn't true. You couldn't be farther from the truth! I love the way you act like you know me and how I think. I'm done with your ignorance
@Crazywoodman Show me exactly where I said life was created 2000 years ago. I didn't, you must have confused me with someone else there.
My ignorant comment about plants before the sun? READ YOUR DAMNED BIBLE! It's on the first page!!! On day 3 god made the plants, on day 4 god made the great light to rule the day (sun) and the lesser light to rule the night (moon). It's right there plain as day. What exactly am I wrong on there?
So god is light now? So god can be tested and proven? Where is it?
@relic1076 Oh look at that you didn't say life was created 2000 years ago? I WASN'T talking to you! Genesis Chapter 1 verse 3 And God said, Let there be Light and there was light. verse 4 And God saw the light, that it was good and divided the light from the darkness verse 5 And God called the light day,and the darkness he called night, And the evening and the morning were the FIRST day. Maybe you should start reading from the beginning next time? That is a weak argument!
@Crazywoodman Actually you did say I said life was created 2000 years ago. You were replying to me, thus were talking to me. That's how that handy reply button works. When you hit the reply button and then use the word you, that's implying that you're speaking to the person you're replying to. But whatever. Yes, he did make light before he made the plants, he made the plants before he made the sun or moon. I did not read it wrong, again it states it plain as day that plants came before the SUN.
So god created himself? If god is light, and he created light, then you're saying he created himself, which I don't think you're saying. So if god is light, then he didn't create light because it already existed.
I never ask the question of "Can god make a rock that he can't lift" for an argument. It's a nonsensical question.
Very much the same as saying "god is light and he created light". It can't be both as it's nonsensical.
@that4znkid No one is using evolution to disprove anything other than the "God wiggled his magic wand and presto everything just exists as we see it " nonsense of creationism.
What evolution does tell us is the stories in Genesis are wrong and that is why Christians get so butt hurt over it. Not having a Adam and Eve puts a major dent in the original sin myth that Christians try and use to guilt everyone into following their make believe friend.
@Atheistprimate Well since you say evolution is to disprove God spoke and poof created everything into existence as we see it, Where in the theory of evolution did life begin? I believe God created life! Where do you believe life came from? Evolution deals with life after it was already here and not where it came from like the stories in Genesis does, so your comment FAILS
@Crazywoodman If your genesis fable even remotely followed the facts than you might have a point, but it says nonsense like the plants became BEFORE the sun did.
If the bible started out " and 14 billion years ago God created everything...than 11 billion years later he decided to make life" it might have a glimmer of truth. But it does not so it is horseshit, try again.
@Atheistprimate it is horseshit? 14 billion? 11 billion? I see you would rather insult and put down my beliefs rather than answer my question!!! YOU FAIL AGAIN I ask again, Where in the theory of evolution did life begin? Where do you believe life came from?
@Crazywoodman If we do not know currently exactly how life first began why would that then make any sane person figure some desert dwelling goat herders had the correct answer in their long list of fables and myths?
God of the gaps argument is moronic and just shows you are yourself a moron.
So you can't have a normal conversation without insulting and name calling like an immature kid. Grow Up!! you don't know where life began? why you get so so butt hurt over it and resort to insults? At least I take the time to look at both sides! I can tell you just hate believers. If you think evolution disproves "God" You are yourself a moron.I am not trying argue with you I just asked a simple question. I have good friends that are Athiest and you give athiest a bad name with your attitude
@Crazywoodman Hard to not dislike such dishonesty and backwards thinking as the religious on Youtube display. In my first post i never said evolution disproves anything other than the Adam and Eve fable.
If nature and the Universe is your "god" than i have no issue with you, but once you give him a name and assign guys to wear funny hats and claim they speak for him than you become my ideological enemy and being nice to you is not on my to do list.
@Atheistprimate Yea just lump us all together!! You know nothing about me to jugde me and call me a moron! give him a name and assign guys to wear funny hats and claim they speak for him than you become my ideological enemy? You have a very warped view on religion!! To be enemies with someone without even knowing them and insulting them because of there belief is very childish and immature. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you don't deserve respect
14 billion years ago? 11 billion years later? where do you get these horseshit numbers? What evolution does tell us is the stories in Genesis are wrong and that is why Christians get so butt hurt over it? Well I asked a simple ? of where life started and began to evolve because genesis starts with the origins of life and if evolution just starts somewhere in the middle with no credible start how can it possibly prove Genesis wrong? Talk about getting all but hurt! geeze grow up
@Atheistprimate Are you serious? There you go again. No respect! Didn't your mother teach you anything about treating others with respect? I think people should be taught ALL theories and let them weigh the evidence and choose for themselves instead of being fed with only one theory and calling it fact. Now if that isn't dishonesty and backwards thinking I don't know what is. People deserve at least that much. Scientist don't know how life began but it definatly wasn't a God?
@Crazywoodman But seriously, are you home schooled? How can you not know the 13.8 billion year figure given and agreed on by science as the age of our universe and that life appeared on earth roughly 3 billion years ago?
You do not even understand how the term theory is applied in science yet you are here trying to argue about it.
@Atheistprimate So what is it 11 billion, 3 billion, or 100 million? You guys all contradict each other? It is all guess work! You cannot prove to me those numbers are right any more than I can prove to you God created you. I understand the term theory just fine and I was not home schooled I's a college student! lol and I am not trying to argue! wait a minute isn't that arguing? Just contradicted myself.
@Crazywoodman UC Berkeley lecture on what you just asked - watch?v=e_4bMIqmV9U&feature=feedrec_grec_index
Short version - Universe begins with an expansion, light travels outward from this one spot, light travels at a set speed, light has only traveled 13.8 billion light years from its starting point then we only see darkness, therefore universe is 13.8 billion years old.
They can. Several of my biology professors were Christian and raised this up in lecture.
The reason it is not taught is a) because creationism is not rational, b) it would be unfair to teach one religion over another, and c) creationism just does not belong in a science classroom because it's simply not science!
@lethalblonde0911 What exactly is the "theory" of creationism? I would love to hear a clear & concise definition of what creationists call their "theory".
@lethalblonde0911 You can also google alien abduction and get tons of hits that say it's real. You can google creatures of urban legends which say they're real. You can google just about anything and find some website that says it's real when in reality it's not. So give me a reliable source. Not sure why you're calling me a motherfucker except you know you can't actually give an explanation and your only recourse is name calling because your argument is so weak.
"I don't see why theories of creationism and evolution can't coincide"
Because evolution is science. Creationism is not. And creationism is not a theory. There is no evidence to prop up creationism. Every testable creationist claim has failed miserably when run through the gauntlet that is peer review.
"survival of the fittest noun 1.(not in technical use) natural selection.
2.a 19th-century concept of human society, inspired by the principle of natural selection, postulating that those who are eliminated in the struggle for existence are the unfit."
Ah those pitiful, nasty unfit. What shall we do with them? Maybe we have evolved to the point where "natural" selection, where we can influence it, is not natural at all any more.
It does not matter how much evidence you provide, some people will always insist on believing foolish things. There are still people who believe the Earth is flat.
Still does not change my mind to believe that I evolved from a single cell organism. The human eye is complex enough that Intelligent Design sounds appropriate.
I think this presentation is really one-sided, the presenter should set up a format for a real "academic debate", i.e. for inviting one team for "intellegent design" and another team for "athestic evolotionist" and let the viewer decide at the end what to believe! Nat Geo seem to only pick out fravorable arguments for the "athestic evlotionist" group!! Shame on Nat Geo!!
@thetexaseagle Professor was going to do this in college, but then called it off. Pity. It would have been great to discuss, whatever side (or middle) one is on.
"The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop." -- Edwin Conklin
I think we may have "evolved" if you will, to the point where evolution by natural selection is becoming extinct. Humans deciding which species and mutations survive and which don't. Evolution by Human Selection.
Lol I just heard the dude say "Darwin didn't have the right equippment to prove his theories but we do." I wonder if darwin didnt have this theory would it be such a debated topic or would we have not thought of it yet.
evolution is fine as a theory but going all the way backwards one would have to answer the question what was it on which the very first evolution started from and where did it came from.
@goerizal at life3.beyondgenes I found this: "Some say life on Earth may have begun when microbes migrated here from outer space. Others say life sprang up out of a primordial soup of terrestrial chemicals." So if this is true, we don't even know where it started, yet we are debating how "that something from somewhere's" offspring changes over time.
And after the giant asteroid hit and destroyed the earth, the Three-headed Gulk captain from Alpha-Centauri, on an investigatory mission, noticed a copy of National Geographic floating in space, and ordered a scan for further debris.
Wow I thought this was going to be objective and fair, turns out only to examine what makes this "theory" work none of the holes. But at least NG can now justify their existence. Seriously if all three questions hold true why do nerds like these scientist still exist shouldn't some super predator come devoure the weak by now?
"Critics have attacked the theory of evolution for 150 years. They claim its full of holes and the gaps reveal the hand of a creator."
The gaps do not reveal the hand of a creator. Questions do NOT equal answers. This is called "The God of the Gaps", and it's a fallacy. And there's no way I'm going to spend 45 minutes to watch a video from some republican, corporate, creationist ass-kissing tv channel.
@itcanbecheezcaketime By creator you mean and animate object or force? Or are you referring to an elderly man with a long beard that is white, matching his long hair. Or is the creator perhaps a microbe floating through space on a comet?
I believe the context the video is using "creator" as, is an "intelligent creator", as in the Christian, Jew, or Muslim version. Clearly those are the predominate creator figures that the video is referring to.
So... How's the debate on the Theory of Gravity vs. Intelligent Pulling coming along?
KeiserSoze16 2 months ago
Don't listen to false propaganda, radiometric dating has not been disproven,honestly where do these retards get their information
Fishingbirb 3 months ago
Vadican priest George Coyne believes in evolution,radiometric has not been dis proved honestly where do these morons get their info,propaganda put out by creationists to try to cover up the truth.
Fishingbirb 3 months ago
The end of the video should just have a troll face saying "U Mad Creationists?"
MIkeAndFelipe 3 months ago
There are thousands of missing links your just to stupid to see them when right in front of you
Fishingbirb 3 months ago
still haven't found the missing link!!!!
xColtsxFootball39 3 months ago
Radiometric dating: disproved at Mt. Saint Helens.
keruzate 3 months ago
yes he was.
bufothetoad1 3 months ago
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Then how come there's so many ugly people?
Jackitreborn 3 months ago
A guiness!!!
ricardorn06 3 months ago
Its a theory thats has stand its ground for many years!! Darwin was truly
ricardorn06 3 months ago
Whats this | guy talking about? V V V V V V V
spmexy 3 months ago
Romans 1:21Because when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, & their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, & to birds, & fourfooted beasts, & creeping things.
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, & worshipped & served the creature more than the Creator.
From; The Orign of Man
woodrowpass 3 months ago
Blind leaders of the blind!!!
woodrowpass 3 months ago
Science does not PROVE anything...it can support a theory or fail to falsify it
SweetnessD20 3 months ago
@SweetnessD20 its a guess
Missfredfan01 3 months ago
@stoneyman97 hi myself!
stoneyman97 3 months ago
@Zuruez heated debate going in the comments.
setoman1 3 months ago
I believe in creation and adaption. If evolution is correct, one would wonder why the world is so primitive for its age.
Rennhub 4 months ago
@Rennhub define "primitive"
DonDarkrai 4 months ago
@DonDarkrai Starvation, disease, fatigue and so on, are current issues that we would not have as much of if humans were "evolved". Not to mention senseless killing and cruelity. Most times it seems as though animals are more "evolved", than humans. Well in my opinion at least lol.
Rennhub 4 months ago
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@Rennhub these things have been going on since human beings have been living on this planet.... WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
DonDarkrai 4 months ago
@Rennhub that still doesn't define primitive, because animals kill other animals for no reason as well, there's also famine and disease in the animal world not just humans, give me a better explanation...
DonDarkrai 4 months ago
I do believe that life is billion of years old, but if the theory of evolution is true, someone had to create the first atom that evolutioned into something else, maybe creation did not happened like the bible says, but everything comes down to someone creating the first form of life for it to evolution! Even the most atheist person, at some point of their life ask God for help!
Desiree01232010 4 months ago
@Desiree01232010 and something had to create your so-called God.... wat is your point?
DonDarkrai 4 months ago
I need to ask WHEN or HOW did all these missing links come up missing? Was their some massive time altering comet, or cataclysmic black hole that sucked each and every one of the missing fossils and ONLY the missing fossils into a 5th dimension, while at the same time leaving all the other fossils all over the planet intact?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman EVERY missing fossil is missing until it's found. What the hell are you rambling about? Prove to me you grew up from the body of the baby you once were? Where's the missing time from each birthday picture? You couldn't have changed from year to year because there's no evidence that you actually grew up except that you have a baby pic and a few pics in between. Because you don't have pics from every day, you must not have grown up from that baby. growing old is just a theory.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 “The lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled.”
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman
transitionalfossils[dot]com
Just go, go read, go learn, go see some step by step transitions. Again, it doesn't matter what is said or shown to you, you're too wrapped up into your deluded little world that you can't even for a minute get your head out of your butt to actually learn something. I'm done with this conversation as it's more than obvious you don't give two shits about learning anything. You have no desire to broaden your mind, you just want to stay in your hole.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 You can stay in your insulting, deluded, brainwashed little hole thinking you know all the answers and I will continue learning by reading, studying and asking questions. Are you sure you are done? It seems to me you like arguing and insulting people that don't believe like you do
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman That last post was the first thing on here you could call an "insult". You say you want to keep learning by reading and asking questions, but reading creation websites and not taking into consideration the answers of anyone who doesn't say "god's magic" isn't going to get you anywhere. All the evidence is out there for you to take in, you just don't think it's true, but a 2000+ year old book that says dead people rise and men walk on water? Yea.... That book has the real truth.
relic1076 4 months ago
You can't have a debate when people make ignorant comments like that
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@FlyHard107X What god do you believe in? Seriously? Obviously not the God of the Bible! So what way do you believe god created the earth and where did you learn it from, if I may ask?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
Actullay it's kind of an old boring question now. Darwin vs the bible that is. I could see a show that examines gaps in one transformation of a specie to another and such without bringing up God.
rolin600 4 months ago
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God created everything. End of discussion.
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KnightXXI 4 months ago
Creationism and evolution are synonymous. It’s like people aren’t paying attention they are the same thing.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie No, they aren't the same thing. Creationism states that everything was made in it's current form. That's just about the complete and total opposite of what evolution claims. How can you possibly think they are the 'same thing;?
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 If you know the end result of your actions including all collateral aspects than merely choosing to start that action is the same as planning and causing those results. If I mail you a letter through the mail or send you an email I can expect you to get it you don’t just magically get mail for no reason. There is a process and I would have to start that process. “Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind” said Darwin. So am I, evolution is a tool.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago 5
@TruthatCearcie using your analogy, it looks like this.
Evolution states that the mail was written word by word and sealed into an envelope, then mailed to reach it's destination. It goes through many transfers in this process as it travels along.
The creationist states "this letter magically appeared here by our lord god creating it in it's completed form here for us to read."
There IS a difference there. In creation, there is no process. It simply is a finished product from the beginning.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
Your statement implies that I agree with there beliefs and I don't they are just as misguided as you. Why would I study their beliefs, why did you, shouldn't you be more concerned with facts. I don't care about their "opinions" any more than I care about yours. Evolution is provable because one can show that it happens and under what circumstances it happens. Outside of this neither you nor they have proof of squat.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie I didn't say you agree with them. You said C & E are synonymous. I asked how you could think they're the same seeing as the two are polar opposites. You gave an analogy, I said how the analogy would look from both aspects.
I'm in agreement that evolution is provable. What I'm not in agreement on, is you stating that evolution and creation are synonymous. They are completely different in their conclusions about life.
How is saying they aren't the same misguided exactly?
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part Two: My argument is they could be correct if you are willing to accept that knowing every conceivable aspect of every action will produce knowable results. Soooo, if you make all the rules then set everything in motion you can see all the little dominoes fall into place for billions of years. Frankly, I can’t see why the Supreme Being would take what we would perceive as six days to create everything unless said being let a subordinate do it, according to the Old Testament.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part One: We both see Darwin as mostly correct. You apparently feel there is no god whereas Darwin felt god was the original spark of life and I can't or disprove either prospective so further analysis is a wast of time. Other theorists have proven that evolution can happen rapidly, Darwin could not see this and was wrong, so that is Darwin and evolution in a nutshell. Creationists "believe" that god created all life whole and complete in an instant... to be continued…
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076 Hahaha, a subordinate, like maybe the Devil?
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie The bible is quite clear that all the fowl, fish, land animals, bugs, humans, all living things were created separately and of their own "kind" in an instant. Again, completely opposite of what the evidence from the evolutionary theory shows. You seem to be taking an apologetic route in attempting to say creationism states the same thing that evolution does by claiming that the steps were put in motion for an eventual end result. That is most certainly not what creationism says.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
So now you are lumping all the various forms of Creationists, Christians Muslims and other old testament theologians together in one heap. what do you have something against other religions that they aren't even worthy of mention. I don't care how specific you perceived the old testament to be and it takes a lot of gall for you to sight something you don't believe in and therefore could never see with an open mind as evidence
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie "what do you have something against other religions that they aren't even worthy of mention."
(not regarding evolution here, but creation stories)
Suuuuure they are. Lets bring the native american indians creation story, it involves the world being the back of a giant turtle.
Tthe ones that state a bird was sent by god and plunged into the ocean to dig up mud and form all the lands of the earth?
We can go with the great light that split into the mists creating everything.
All BS.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Simple thing is this. These things do NOT belong in a classroom to be taught to children. Sadly the whole damn reason that this show is even on is because religion is such a huge part of American society. The fact that "durrrrrrr it don't say it in the bible like dat so it cant be real durdurdurrrr." is the reason this is even a topic at all.
If it said somewhere in the bible that gravity was a force of mystical pixies screaming down from the heavens, then we'd be arguing newton.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part Four: Me “so a sphere looks like a turtle in a shallow puddle and it’s reflection?” This little story could go on for days but let’s stop there. Don’t you dare put words into my mouth and say that I think these people are stupid because we are almost identical to these people and we can make it into space. Individual understanding is based heavily on experiences. If you don’t believe me have a child and start explaining…
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie 1: I'm not putting words in your mouth and saying you think anyone is stupid. 2: The world and all life on it was not created in a week. 3: The world is not floating on the back of a giant turtle. 4: A bird did not swim to the depths of the ocean and take some mud and use it to form all the land on the planet. 5: The scientific theory of evolution is most certainly not the same as the biblical story of creation.
#5 was the first and last comment that was intended to be discussed.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
Wow, I just started looking at your other comments to the comments of other people. Looks like you have your hands full. Well at least I can be reasonably sure you're not a troll. Let us revisit evolution shall we because this video is about evolution and not theology. Outside of extinction or some kind of species wide suspended existence, would a breedable colony ever stop evolving?
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie So long as there are environmental pressures or mating pressures, then no, evolution would not stop. Personally I think evolution is a constant, it has times where it happens more quickly, and times where very little change over vast periods of time happens. It's all dependent on environment and reproduction pressures. Keep any population separated in a completely different area and the differences are seen. Aside from opossums, why are marsupials found primarily in Australia?
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Oops, I was concentrating on a species being forced to stop evolving and forgot to include environmental pressures and mating pressures or free will among sentient beings for that matter, my bad. Yes evolution is essentially a constant that will continue for centuries, millennia or trillion-billion-millennia. In just 10 millennia of recorded history (give or take) we have gone from hopping across the grasslands to hopping across the surface of the moon.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie "Yes evolution is essentially a constant that will continue for centuries, millennia or trillion-billion-millennia. In just 10 millennia of recorded history (give or take) we have gone from hopping across the grasslands to hopping across the surface of the moon."
So where exactly are we in disagreement here then?? Life evolved, check... Took a long long time... check... science has moved mankind leaps and bounds.. check.... Yea, confused on what we're in disagreement about now.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 I don’t think we are exactly in disagreement. I think there is some misunderstanding as to what each of us thinks of as possible and how that relates to what is actually possible. Do you think it is possible to continue to evolve physically and intellectually for long enough to outlive the existence of this universe as we would currently define it?
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie I don't think it possible to outlive the existence of the universe as is currently defined, no. Do I think it possible science finds what I guess could be called loopholes into other universes, like string theory and such? It's possible, but I'm confident it won't happen in our lifetime. I'm content living my ~90 years or so on this world and ceasing to exist.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Oh wait, you are taking the word “outlive” to literally mean you personally as an individual but I mean collectively as a species. Let’s try that again. Do you think it is possible “for a species” to continue to evolve physically and intellectually for long enough to outlive the existence of this universe as we would currently define it? After all you personally are not going to evolve all that much.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie No no, I don't think a species can outlive the universe. The universe by definition contains all that is within that realm of existence. To move beyond all that exists isn't plausible in my mind. To exist beyond all that exists would then entail that new existence to contain that existence in which it resides, thus expanding the universe. So no, I don't believe evolution is going to ever move us into a collective 'mind state' if that's what you're referring to.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
oops, sorry my bad. So would you like to talk about cheese, I like cheese. perhaps you would like to talk about something else instead.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie lol, loves me some good gouda.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
I prefer Cheddar mostly hard Cheddar but occasionally medium. After that it's pretty much all fair game. Even Limburger was good once I got past the smell but it isn’t a variety I like to keep on hand. My top three are Cheddar American and Swiss because I think they taste good hot or cold. I think Parmesan is best hot and Gouda is best served cold, like revenge, lol. What do you think?
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076
I am easy to get along with so we may cover whatever topic you like and I will try my best...
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076 "The scientific theory of evolution is most certainly not the same as the biblical story of creation." Yes, I agree with you on that. The scientific theory of evolution has no beginning and the biblical story of creation does! "The world and all life on it was not created in a week." How can you say that if you have no answer to where life came from?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part Three: You “an inanimate object or thing is something that is not alive and a ball is a sphere like, well like, um, if you took two turtle sells and held them together at the rim than together they would kind of look like a sphere.” Me “what do you mean not alive, the wisest man I ever knew said everything is alive. Oh, if only you could meet him but he is dead now.” You flashback to a moment when you spoke to his ancestor on the topic of microbiology.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie I understand where you're coming from. Long ago, mankind did not have the technology or science to explain things like it does now. I wouldn't explain it verbally like "hold 2 turtle shells". I would grab some dirt and make a ball. That would be the way to show them.
It's all good to try to explain things like they did sure. But when the 'real' answer comes along and gives a MUCH better definition, the old should no longer apply. Science destroys religious folklore over time.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part Two: That would be too easy and not at all entertaining. During this time why don’t we assume I am one of these individuals that you are going to speak with. Now, explain everything. You “The earth is round.” Me “like a turtles back?” You “no I mean it is a sphere.” Me “like what?” You “like a ball.” Me “what is a ball?” You “a ball is an inanimate spherical thing.” Me “what is inanimate and what is spherical, is that the ball thing because I have never seen a ball.”
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076 Part One: That’s funny you went from a merely closed mind to one that is hermetically sealed. Ok I don’t mind taking a stab at that seal at least until you bore me. Let’s say hypothetically that you are capable of visiting an individual from each of the theologies you are belittling as that theology is being formed. Remember, theologies develop over decades, centuries and even millennia so you don’t get to talk to all of its founders at once.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@relic1076
You seem awfully busy with nitpicking minutia. There isn’t one human being on this planet that can reasonably hope to fully understand most things I could easily argue, in fact I will argue that perhaps no one will ever know everything about anything at least until the human species has evolved into something else.
TruthatCearcie 4 months ago
@TruthatCearcie you're taking it well beyond the realm of your original statement. Evolutionary theory and creationism are two abhorrently different idea's. That's all I originally stated. You're going way out of the way to bring in "we can't understand everything there is to know" talk. The simple fact is that the two are completely different on just about every measure of how things became to be the way they are today. To state otherwise is to be blatantly ignorant of what either is about.
relic1076 4 months ago
With a title like Was Darwin Wrong, you'd expect a serious look into both sides of the argument, but this video just explains how evolution works and doesnt really explore any validities in Creationism.
WAKEUPshift111 4 months ago
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@WAKEUPshift111 Because there are none.
relic1076 4 months ago
Its so crazy how people allow themselves to be brainwashed. You cannot deny the fact that we look like monkeys. You can't deny that your housecat looks kinda like a lion. You can't deny that dinosaurs once ruled the Earth. Written language has existed for maybe a 1/10 the length of modern human existence. How can any reasonable person take the bible or any legend that attempts to explain the beggining of the Universe seriously!?
WAKEUPshift111 4 months ago
@WAKEUPshift111 I love the way science attempts to explain the beginnings of the universe. The thing that gets me is creation and evolution end up in the same place if you go back far enough! Either you have faith that God created the universe or have faith in the scientific theory (Big Bang). Evolution is a theory of the rise of man, it doesn't explain how life started!
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Who made the claim that evolution explains life's origins? That would be abiogenesis I do believe, which is an entirely different matter.
That's like looking at how computer monitors have changed over the years and then yelling that it's all BS because how they changed doesn't tell you how the plastic got there in the first place.
relic1076 4 months ago
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@relic1076 Wakeupshift111 said, How can any reasonable person take the bible or any legend that attempts to explain the beggining of the Universe seriously!? Um Darwins theory is on the origins of life is it not? So you tell me then, explain life's origins? There are man made theories about where and how life began but they don't hold a shred of evidence!
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Evolutionary theory most certainly isn't on the origins of life. That is as far as I'm going with this conversation as you obviously have no idea what evolutionary theory actually says about life. I'll say again though, it DOESN'T explain the origins of life, only what happened once life arose.
relic1076 4 months ago
You're ALL the same, instead of answering my question you go on with insults. Whats funnier is you make yourself look dumb echoing what I said and then saying I have no Idea! I said, "Evolution is a theory of the rise of man, it doesn't explain how life started!" My question is the same, How did life evolve from nothing? That's as far as your going because you obviously have no answer, but it surely wasn't God! Unlike some I actually look at both sides and weigh the evidence
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman You're question ISN'T the same. Evolution isn't even a 'theory of the rise of man'. It's the friggin' theory of how ALL LIFE changes. Evolution doesn't try to touch the beginning of life. That's abiogenesis, which is something completely different. You're asking for an apple when all that's for sale is an orange.
saying "god did it" explains nothing, nothing at all. But as long as "god did it", that's good enough an answer for you. The world cannot advance as a whole like that.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076
1 What made up the original matter that caused the big bang?
2 How did life start after this big bang?
3 By what means did the code of life, and the enzymes to create that code originate?
4 Which came first? the code to make the enzymes? Or the enzymes to make the code?
5 Where is the fossil evidence showing one organism merging into the next?
6 Where is the evidence where mutation creates unique and new structures rather than modified ones?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@relic1076 Cont. . . .
7 Why is there a missing link for absolutely every supposed "evolved" species? Not one fossil exists!?
8 If 50 years of mutating fruit flies has produced only fruit flies, how does mutation create new species?
9 What is the best evidence that shows the main theory of evolution to be fact?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman 1: Science not having an answer does not mean "god" did it. It's ok to say "I don't know"
2: Self replicating molecules that ... evolved. Not certain though. (does not mean god did it)
3: see above
4: see above (I think self folding precursors to rna is the way science is leaning right now)
5: fossils don't show that, each fossil is it's very own type of life.
6: look it up, all over the web.
7: fossils are rare
8: it will always produce a fruit fly.
9: LIFE
short answers, no room.
relic1076 4 months ago
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@relic1076 So let me get this right, 1: Science not having an answer 2: Not certain 3: Not certain 4: Not certain 5: fossils don't show that, yet they keep searching for that elusive missing link. 6: But that's not evolution, that's adaptation, or even mutation.
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@relic1076 Cont. . . 7: WHEN or HOW did all these missing links come up missing? Was their some massive time altering comet, or cataclysmic black hole that sucked each and every one of the missing fossils and ONLY the missing fossils into a 5th dimension, while at the same time leaving all the other fossils all over the planet intact? 8: They have literally dropped their original definition of evolution, picked up mutation, and tagged it evolution. You simply hate the idea of a Creator God
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman There are TONS of fossils that show the slow changes over time. Like I told you in the first message I sent. Go to the natural history museum. They have a whole section dedicated to evolution. It's pretty impressive.
And just because science has yet to nail down every little detail, that does NOT mean "god did it".
Adaptation is mutation, just happens that it's mutation for the betterment of survival.
I don't hate the idea of a creator god. There's simply no EVIDENCE.
relic1076 4 months ago
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relic1076 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman It's not as complicated as you make it. Fossilization is not a super common process. Certain conditions have to exist for remains to become fossilized. The "missing" fossils are not missing at all. They never existed. The missing remains, however, decomposed like any other dead biological organism does over time. No need to make it so complicated, or to make this fairly straight forward thing sound so remarkable or dramatic. Your analogies are beyond questionable.
chicagomike88 4 months ago
@dudepal187 Thank you for not judging me...most do. And i can see what your saying, and besides my beleive in God controlling the evolution (and us discovering evolution is just seeing how he made it) I typically agree with what you are saying. People shouldn't over think the conbination beween science and religion. Religion is wonderful (in my beliefs) but i know that it has 'limitation' on some people and make them ignorant of the world of science.
FlyHard107X 4 months ago
I don't know why the hell they are calling natural selection a force. It's not some mystical force guided by nature. It's an observation and labeling of the way animals die out, and survive..
It's not a magical 'force'. Calling it a force is an extreme misnomer..
xtensitymusic 4 months ago in playlist More videos from NationalGeographic
people need to chill the fuck out ! Evolution is a fact we see it happen all the time. Some examples would be: the Flu, bacteria, and insects(in the fields). science does not seek to disprove the existence of a """""God""""" it deals w/ the natural world, religion deals w/ the supernatural. so yeah, any arguments attacking evolution because of religious reasons ... well they are quite absurd.
TheBiohazardgames 4 months ago
As far as i'm concerned.. Just because evolution occurred does not mean life wasn't created by God.
The way I see it, is we are like a dog trying to figure out how to get a treat out from under a bowl. To us its so obvious but to them they just can't understand. I don't think that these are questions that humans can or should ever know for sure. That would destroy the purpose of faith!
AC2020x 4 months ago
@AC2020x Yea but that argument is silly for so many reasons. It's an argument called god of the gaps where you posit god in the face of scientific ignorance. Just because we dont know something doesnt mean an answer isn't out there. You could make this claim for every question in history from what is the boiling point of water to how old is the earth. Besides that argument isn't theistic it's deistic and doesn't validate faith, it simply invalidates reason and science.
elhockey1 4 months ago
@AC2020x i am not saying you are wrong...just asking you a question you might be able to enlighten me on. how was all life created in seven days and nights 2000 years ago if it has been proven life was around 100's of millions of years ago? have a great day.
erikwilliamson77 4 months ago
@erikwilliamson77 I agree with you on many of your points... I'm not really sure if what I was trying to convey is what I actually said. And I agree that there are plenty answers out there that we have yet to find an answer to. I'm not sure we will ever find a definitive answer to how the universe was created though. I'm not sure where you heard the universe was created 2000 years ago. But that's when God sent his son Jesus to the earth.
AC2020x 4 months ago
@erikwilliamson77 all life created in seven days and nights 2000 years ago?? Will you please direct me to the proof life was around 100's of millions of years ago. Or should I take your word for it?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Direct you? Smithsonian museum of natural history. Go learn something.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 maybe you should go to church and go learn something? Let me ask you this, How old is the oldest living thing on earth?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman As far as I'm aware, there's a tree that's in the range of 4,000 years old or so. Not sure exactly how old it's said to be, but somewhere in that range.
When did the first simple single cell organisms come about? I think that's in the range of 3.5-4.0 billion years.. somewhere in there.
No idea why I'm bothering to answer, because you are of the mindset that if it isn't biblical, it isn't true. So it's irrelevant to even carry on the conversation, not like you'll actually read up.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 I would love to go there!! Was that another poke at my intelligence telling me to go learn something? I have never heard life was created in seven days 2000 years ago, Where did you make that up at? You are obviously ignorant on creation and religion! you need some book learnin jethro!! You all contradict each other? Is it 14 billion? 3 billion? 100's of millions or ?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman I didn't say life was created 2000 years ago. I'm not ignorant of the creation story of genesis however. Lets see here.. *pulls out his handy bible here*
Genesis 1:20 - 1:28... God creates all life on the planet on day 4 and 5 of his creation. All birds, fish, land creature, man... On an earlier day he managed to make plants before he made the sun, but hey, whatever. Kindly guide me to what part I'm mistaken on here? Tell me where my ignorance regarding the creation story is? thx
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Yes actually you did say that!! And your ignorant comment about plants before the Sun shows just how deluded you are when it comes to God! God is light and he created LIGHT FIRST!!! All you want to do is argue. You have No idea why your bothering to answer, because I am of the mindset that if it isn't biblical, it isn't true. You couldn't be farther from the truth! I love the way you act like you know me and how I think. I'm done with your ignorance
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Show me exactly where I said life was created 2000 years ago. I didn't, you must have confused me with someone else there.
My ignorant comment about plants before the sun? READ YOUR DAMNED BIBLE! It's on the first page!!! On day 3 god made the plants, on day 4 god made the great light to rule the day (sun) and the lesser light to rule the night (moon). It's right there plain as day. What exactly am I wrong on there?
So god is light now? So god can be tested and proven? Where is it?
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 Oh look at that you didn't say life was created 2000 years ago? I WASN'T talking to you! Genesis Chapter 1 verse 3 And God said, Let there be Light and there was light. verse 4 And God saw the light, that it was good and divided the light from the darkness verse 5 And God called the light day,and the darkness he called night, And the evening and the morning were the FIRST day. Maybe you should start reading from the beginning next time? That is a weak argument!
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Actually you did say I said life was created 2000 years ago. You were replying to me, thus were talking to me. That's how that handy reply button works. When you hit the reply button and then use the word you, that's implying that you're speaking to the person you're replying to. But whatever. Yes, he did make light before he made the plants, he made the plants before he made the sun or moon. I did not read it wrong, again it states it plain as day that plants came before the SUN.
relic1076 4 months ago
"God is light and he created LIGHT FIRST!!!"
So god created himself? If god is light, and he created light, then you're saying he created himself, which I don't think you're saying. So if god is light, then he didn't create light because it already existed.
I never ask the question of "Can god make a rock that he can't lift" for an argument. It's a nonsensical question.
Very much the same as saying "god is light and he created light". It can't be both as it's nonsensical.
relic1076 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman According to the bible, The SUN and MOON were created the day AFTER the plants were created. Are you denying that?
If you are, then what was the "greater light" & "lesser light" he made the day after plants were made?
If you aren't, where exactly was the source of light coming from BEFORE he made the sun?
relic1076 4 months ago
Poor Wallace... Everyone mentions Darwin :-(
MyTomServo 4 months ago
Evolution is so stupid it's offensive.
wildmandigging 4 months ago
@that4znkid No one is using evolution to disprove anything other than the "God wiggled his magic wand and presto everything just exists as we see it " nonsense of creationism.
What evolution does tell us is the stories in Genesis are wrong and that is why Christians get so butt hurt over it. Not having a Adam and Eve puts a major dent in the original sin myth that Christians try and use to guilt everyone into following their make believe friend.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
@Atheistprimate Well since you say evolution is to disprove God spoke and poof created everything into existence as we see it, Where in the theory of evolution did life begin? I believe God created life! Where do you believe life came from? Evolution deals with life after it was already here and not where it came from like the stories in Genesis does, so your comment FAILS
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman If your genesis fable even remotely followed the facts than you might have a point, but it says nonsense like the plants became BEFORE the sun did.
If the bible started out " and 14 billion years ago God created everything...than 11 billion years later he decided to make life" it might have a glimmer of truth. But it does not so it is horseshit, try again.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
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@Atheistprimate it is horseshit? 14 billion? 11 billion? I see you would rather insult and put down my beliefs rather than answer my question!!! YOU FAIL AGAIN I ask again, Where in the theory of evolution did life begin? Where do you believe life came from?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman If we do not know currently exactly how life first began why would that then make any sane person figure some desert dwelling goat herders had the correct answer in their long list of fables and myths?
God of the gaps argument is moronic and just shows you are yourself a moron.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
So you can't have a normal conversation without insulting and name calling like an immature kid. Grow Up!! you don't know where life began? why you get so so butt hurt over it and resort to insults? At least I take the time to look at both sides! I can tell you just hate believers. If you think evolution disproves "God" You are yourself a moron.I am not trying argue with you I just asked a simple question. I have good friends that are Athiest and you give athiest a bad name with your attitude
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman Hard to not dislike such dishonesty and backwards thinking as the religious on Youtube display. In my first post i never said evolution disproves anything other than the Adam and Eve fable.
If nature and the Universe is your "god" than i have no issue with you, but once you give him a name and assign guys to wear funny hats and claim they speak for him than you become my ideological enemy and being nice to you is not on my to do list.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
@Atheistprimate Yea just lump us all together!! You know nothing about me to jugde me and call me a moron! give him a name and assign guys to wear funny hats and claim they speak for him than you become my ideological enemy? You have a very warped view on religion!! To be enemies with someone without even knowing them and insulting them because of there belief is very childish and immature. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you don't deserve respect
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
14 billion years ago? 11 billion years later? where do you get these horseshit numbers? What evolution does tell us is the stories in Genesis are wrong and that is why Christians get so butt hurt over it? Well I asked a simple ? of where life started and began to evolve because genesis starts with the origins of life and if evolution just starts somewhere in the middle with no credible start how can it possibly prove Genesis wrong? Talk about getting all but hurt! geeze grow up
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman You never got past 6th grade science class, did you?
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
@Atheistprimate Are you serious? There you go again. No respect! Didn't your mother teach you anything about treating others with respect? I think people should be taught ALL theories and let them weigh the evidence and choose for themselves instead of being fed with only one theory and calling it fact. Now if that isn't dishonesty and backwards thinking I don't know what is. People deserve at least that much. Scientist don't know how life began but it definatly wasn't a God?
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman But seriously, are you home schooled? How can you not know the 13.8 billion year figure given and agreed on by science as the age of our universe and that life appeared on earth roughly 3 billion years ago?
You do not even understand how the term theory is applied in science yet you are here trying to argue about it.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
@Atheistprimate So what is it 11 billion, 3 billion, or 100 million? You guys all contradict each other? It is all guess work! You cannot prove to me those numbers are right any more than I can prove to you God created you. I understand the term theory just fine and I was not home schooled I's a college student! lol and I am not trying to argue! wait a minute isn't that arguing? Just contradicted myself.
Crazywoodman 4 months ago
@Crazywoodman UC Berkeley lecture on what you just asked - watch?v=e_4bMIqmV9U&feature=feedrec_grec_index
Short version - Universe begins with an expansion, light travels outward from this one spot, light travels at a set speed, light has only traveled 13.8 billion light years from its starting point then we only see darkness, therefore universe is 13.8 billion years old.
Atheistprimate 4 months ago
Sloth @13:03
garellanes93 4 months ago in playlist More videos from NationalGeographic
"a couple just so happened to form into simple forms of life"
Sausageman666 4 months ago
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I'm just going to watch the video of the ants eating the donut. Sorry if I don't leave a decent comment. I know where the conclusion will get us.
JosephKrammer 4 months ago
I don't see why theories of creationism and evolution can't coincide
lethalblonde0911 4 months ago 7
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They can. Several of my biology professors were Christian and raised this up in lecture.
The reason it is not taught is a) because creationism is not rational, b) it would be unfair to teach one religion over another, and c) creationism just does not belong in a science classroom because it's simply not science!
veganazi 4 months ago
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@lethalblonde0911 What exactly is the "theory" of creationism? I would love to hear a clear & concise definition of what creationists call their "theory".
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 lol google, motherfucker.
lethalblonde0911 4 months ago
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@lethalblonde0911 You can also google alien abduction and get tons of hits that say it's real. You can google creatures of urban legends which say they're real. You can google just about anything and find some website that says it's real when in reality it's not. So give me a reliable source. Not sure why you're calling me a motherfucker except you know you can't actually give an explanation and your only recourse is name calling because your argument is so weak.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 First off, I'm not arguing. Secondly, it was a joke. lol
lethalblonde0911 4 months ago
@lethalblonde0911 someone has some sock accounts. How cute. :)
relic1076 4 months ago
@lethalblonde0911 Because creationism isn't a theory. It's a religious idea.
csbair 4 months ago
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@lethalblonde0911
"I don't see why theories of creationism and evolution can't coincide"
Because evolution is science. Creationism is not. And creationism is not a theory. There is no evidence to prop up creationism. Every testable creationist claim has failed miserably when run through the gauntlet that is peer review.
Mattm1986 4 months ago
@lethalblonde0911 Evolutionists, like me, are those who oppose the ideas of the existence of God-a creator.
TsubasaNoKakera 4 months ago
"survival of the fittest noun 1.(not in technical use) natural selection.
2.a 19th-century concept of human society, inspired by the principle of natural selection, postulating that those who are eliminated in the struggle for existence are the unfit."
Ah those pitiful, nasty unfit. What shall we do with them? Maybe we have evolved to the point where "natural" selection, where we can influence it, is not natural at all any more.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
It does not matter how much evidence you provide, some people will always insist on believing foolish things. There are still people who believe the Earth is flat.
hailvishnu 4 months ago
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Still does not change my mind to believe that I evolved from a single cell organism. The human eye is complex enough that Intelligent Design sounds appropriate.
M0DiFiEDZ 4 months ago
@M0DiFiEDZ There's a section in this video that shows precisely how the eye can evolve... *sigh & facepalm*
relic1076 4 months ago
I think this presentation is really one-sided, the presenter should set up a format for a real "academic debate", i.e. for inviting one team for "intellegent design" and another team for "athestic evolotionist" and let the viewer decide at the end what to believe! Nat Geo seem to only pick out fravorable arguments for the "athestic evlotionist" group!! Shame on Nat Geo!!
thetexaseagle 4 months ago
@thetexaseagle Professor was going to do this in college, but then called it off. Pity. It would have been great to discuss, whatever side (or middle) one is on.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
"The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop." -- Edwin Conklin
He didn't say it was impossible, just improbable.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
I think we may have "evolved" if you will, to the point where evolution by natural selection is becoming extinct. Humans deciding which species and mutations survive and which don't. Evolution by Human Selection.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
Lol I just heard the dude say "Darwin didn't have the right equippment to prove his theories but we do." I wonder if darwin didnt have this theory would it be such a debated topic or would we have not thought of it yet.
JakeNFamily 4 months ago
evolution is fine as a theory but going all the way backwards one would have to answer the question what was it on which the very first evolution started from and where did it came from.
goerizal 4 months ago
@goerizal at life3.beyondgenes I found this: "Some say life on Earth may have begun when microbes migrated here from outer space. Others say life sprang up out of a primordial soup of terrestrial chemicals." So if this is true, we don't even know where it started, yet we are debating how "that something from somewhere's" offspring changes over time.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
They worry too much about the bible.
rolin600 4 months ago
any video related to science will have very long comments.
whatintheghetto79 4 months ago 2
@whatintheghetto79 and any video related about how something started will have long arguments lol
fuelinjectedmaniac 4 months ago
And after the giant asteroid hit and destroyed the earth, the Three-headed Gulk captain from Alpha-Centauri, on an investigatory mission, noticed a copy of National Geographic floating in space, and ordered a scan for further debris.
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
Wow I thought this was going to be objective and fair, turns out only to examine what makes this "theory" work none of the holes. But at least NG can now justify their existence. Seriously if all three questions hold true why do nerds like these scientist still exist shouldn't some super predator come devoure the weak by now?
Neuroplasticity2 4 months ago
Very informative video. I watched it in it's entirety.
k0d14k1 4 months ago
And even though I knew this already,I love the narrator
SuperZslayer 4 months ago
That was awesome
SuperZslayer 4 months ago
Ancient aliens came to our planet and created us from part of their DNA just as they were created a very long time ago.
Raidergnr84 4 months ago
@garith21
and species can't evolve you're saying?
grantfaith 4 months ago
@grantfaith
Both occur, and both have been observed.
garith21 4 months ago
Q: Was Darwin wrong?
A: No.
Next!
FreeThoughtCrime 4 months ago
@Newagegamer3018 Interesting, I never thought of that. Well I got this info from this video.
Search (on youtube) : Dr Michio Kaku on Immortality, The Bible, and Scientific Evidence of Geological Time
Thanks for responding.
D3m0nBarb3r 4 months ago
"Critics have attacked the theory of evolution for 150 years. They claim its full of holes and the gaps reveal the hand of a creator."
The gaps do not reveal the hand of a creator. Questions do NOT equal answers. This is called "The God of the Gaps", and it's a fallacy. And there's no way I'm going to spend 45 minutes to watch a video from some republican, corporate, creationist ass-kissing tv channel.
itcanbecheezcaketime 4 months ago
@itcanbecheezcaketime By creator you mean and animate object or force? Or are you referring to an elderly man with a long beard that is white, matching his long hair. Or is the creator perhaps a microbe floating through space on a comet?
SavageShootsSweet 4 months ago
@SavageShootsSweet
I believe the context the video is using "creator" as, is an "intelligent creator", as in the Christian, Jew, or Muslim version. Clearly those are the predominate creator figures that the video is referring to.
itcanbecheezcaketime 4 months ago