@LPSmasonry I do not own an LWRC but my friend owns M6A2. I went with him when he bought it and his first range trip. Out of 200 rds he ripped the rim off if two casings and had a double feed(double feed mag related) I have my own opinions on piston ARs (over all I don't like them) but I felt comfortable that my $1200-1300 BCM build has yet to malfunction and his $2600 lwrc had 3 the 1st 200 rds also tighten the foregrip rail retention screws his backed out while firing that day prob because e
I like the folding stock on the XCR. Also you dont have to drop the gun from firing position to pull the charging handle and the bolt release is at your finger instead of having to remove left hand to slap it.
@GunWebsites Seems like the Robinson XCR is the most advanced AK based weapon, and the LWRC M6A2 is the most advanced AR type weapon, would that be correct ?
How many people here have experience(or own them) with piston system LWRC rifles would love to hear from you on topics of reliability, accuracy or whatever else good and bad looking to buy one by LWRC or Sabre Defence have mixed feelings and even more mixed reviews. Thank You for your time. Matt
@LPSmasonry - I heard the GREATEST Difference is RELIABILITY of the LWRC. Like and AK-47 you can drag it through mud or water and it'll fire right up. Even you tube has these vid.'s that show LWRC coming right out of the water and firing.
Ive been looking at Ar's and doing my research, the LWRC is goddamn too expensive and what do you really achieve? Wheres the love for the Stag M8? Great quality, lifetime warranty, and so far no problems with cycling wolf.
How much more do i get for basicly $800 more? (Plz no comments about "Carrier tilt"
@Tuxedo413 Doesn't the LWRC come with all the bells and whistles, like the quad rail,Troy sights, improved pistol grip and a VLTOR stock? Those are all expensive items, so I would say the M6A2 basically just comes with all the stuff so you don't have to buy it separately. And what is this "carrier tilt" you mentioned? I've heard the word before and it sounds like elitist BS to me.
@GunWebsites My apologies, you are right and I should not have talked about such a thing. However, I said that in response to the previous comment from someone who has obviously caught hell from other uneducated people over how unreliable his Stag M8 is despite his own experience with it. I have had similar experiences first hand and I severely dislike it. I suppose I was taking a misplaced shot at all the people who would insult another person's choice for no reason. Sorry for that.
@trangenusa Pretty impressive. Reminded me of the HK 416 test video. I saw an M6A2 at the gun store the other day and (no surprise) decided I want one (some day, lol). I would also like to see a test featuring all the piston ARs on an even playing field: HK, LWRC, Stag, Ruger, Robinson, perhaps the Kel-Tec SU-16, and any other such guns are out there.
Charging handle on the side, where it digs in to my widdle ribs......charging handle in the center were it's pulled towards my little acne pocked face. 1-800-waaaaaaaaaaaa. Bottom line: A weapon does NOT by definition need to be comfortable, but should ALWAYS be comforting. If you want comfort, buy a friggin Lazy Boy and quite your nit picking whining. Sssssheeeesh.
The left sided charging handle is AWESOME! No more pulling that T-handle into your face. Also teh ambi bolt release is AWESOME! No more slapping the side of the AR with your palm. Just a quick move of your trigger finger forward and the bolt flies home. Much better economy of motion that my whole arm and palm moving to release that little bolt release on an AR setup. Of course a magpul BAD lever fixes that too so not a deal breaker there.
I bought a lwrc M6A2 in 6.8 and had to send it back to factory for sight issues ...they didn't correct it. So i got rid of the hunk of JUNK. I'll stick with whats always worked for me, A COLT!!!!
I hear alot pros and cons,XCR wait and see.LWRC ok let me take it through the jungle down in El Salvador and see what you have.M16A1 had cleaning kit. keep that dust cover closed.Keep your weapon cleaner then your body.clear malifuction,Slap,Tap,Pull,Release,observe,you know the drill "Battle!"
They are perfectly fine for people who go o shooting ranges and carry them around a bit. but for anyone who will have it slung on their back for an extended period of time walking around, I wouldn't recommend it.
I would not say side charging handles suck... the xcr was designed for military use so that side handle serves for a more tactical purpose.. Most XCR owners including myself love this gun to death... MANY believe it is the BEST rifle design out there and many are also ar15 owners as well. its VERY easy to clean and disassemble. If you have any doubts about the rifle Robinson can easily answer your concerns about the rifle.
Please do yourself a favor and save yourself some money, time and frustration and pick a different weapon. I made the unfortunate decision to purchase an XCR and it has been nothing but trouble. The most aggravating thing of all is their service has been the worst that I have had the misfortune to try and use.
Personally, I find the Robinson more ergonomic, but a Bushmaster a little more reliable. I combined two and now have an ideal rifle....Great video mate!
true, i think the caliber change thing is DUMB, ar 15 can caliber change ever more quickly, just switch the upper and mag and you are shooting 6.8.
I am a bit wary of piston systems on AR, so the edge for me would be Robinson (strictly the piston system). BUT, LWRC really did a great job in a conversion that works.
Overall i would take the LWRC, because it's quality is impeccable. I would much rather have a DI LWRC. but that is just me. Ill have to make due with my BCM. LOL
@eggworm Both the LWRC and the Robinson are piston systems. After much research about realiability and carrier tilt, I bought an LWRC M6A3 (so I know for sure its a piston system). LWRC does not make a DI AR, they specialize in piston.
Duh, preaty much the umm differences duh. Dude they are completly different guns and you took no time to read up on the XCR. This video is an epic fail.
It is worth mentioning that the XCR is a long-stroke gas piston where an AR with a piston would be a short-stroke. They may look similar, but mechanically the XCR has more in common with an AK than an AR.
I agree that the XCR is a great system, which most of its design is based off the AR system. Aside form the piston(which you can now get on AR's) and side charging handle its almost the same gun. I would not mind having an XCR, but I'm just a fan of the tired and true AR. I think to say that one gun is better than the other is still just a matter of opinion.
This modular system is amazing - you can have 9 inch barrel long (G36C like) close range defence weapon and only by changing barrel to heavy 18 inch one you will have nice snipe rifle 1 minute later
is it just me, or did the commentator have a biased opinion toward the XCR? I havent shot an XCR but i own an M6A2 10.5 5.56, I really like it. but who cares theres an extra step when disassembling a rifle, who cares about the dust cover, i believe it comes down to what the shooter needs and a little what the shooter wants.
I agree. I have an m6a3 dmr, and i bought it rather than an xcr for several reasons. 1. The LWRC barrel treatment is better. 2. Caliber change is hokey, just buy an AK unless its an ACR. 3. The m6a3 has an adjustable gas port. 4. m6a3 shares 80% of parts with mil-spec m16/ar15's, so if the SHTF, i can cannibalize other AR's. But the commentator is comparing Robinson's only decent offering to only one of LWRC's offerings, nitpicking LWRC...
I agree with Red. With the XCR you don't have to pull your face away from the sights to charge the weapon. it is physically impossible to do so with the AR-15. also the XCR is completely ambidextrous. the AR-15 was designed with only right handed shooters in mind. and if you look at the new rifles that are being considered for military adoption, ACR and SCAR they both have the side charging handles.
also the bolt release for the XCR is at the bottom of the mag well so left or right handed shooters do not have to take their firing hand from the grip to release the bolt. as lefties do with the AR.
Side mounted charging handles SUCK! worst design ever. sling one and walk around for an hour and you'll feel it digging in your side. it also snags on everything. And who takes the weapon off your shoulder? theres the lever on the side of the weapon that unlocks the bolt and charges the next round. even so, the top mounted charging handle is best for lefties and righties.
@darkmerkaba I would have to disagree with your last point, the rear charger in the AR is, yes, ambidextrous, but it is in an awkward position to charge from. The AR type rifle is very limited in how far its ergonomics can go because of that silly rear mounted handle, and the use of a buffer tube (as mentioned) makes a folding stock impossible. If you do not like the charging handle digging into your back, sling it the other way.
@patsfanczar Ive been looking at a lot of rifles lately trying to find the best of all worlds. so far its the Bushmaster ACR (Kinda heavy and the right side safety is in a horrible location, rubs your right hand) and the HK G36. The G36 has the top mounted charging handle and folding stock. but is quite expensive and the charging handle reciprocates, unlike the ACR.
@darkmerkaba The fact that the charging handle on the g36 shouldn't be an issue, I don't see reciprocating charging handles as an issue at all really, but the handle on the g36 folds up so there is really 0 chance of getting it snagged. The issue with the g36, however, is the use of an entirely plastic reciever. Stupidest idea I have ever heard, the plastic, though melt-proof, still warps over time under heat which very negatively affects accuracy and reliability.
@patsfanczar As far as I know the public cannot buy a new G36, SL-8 only. I do not think you can compare anything American/Canadian made to something made by the Germans, just the way I feel personally.
@ufloetz I can't compare a couple rifles just simply because of where they are made? I do believe people can own a semi-auto g36, but I'm not sure what relevance that holds.
@darkmerkaba Thats not what a sling is for, a sling is for retention, if you drop your rifle, if you are in a hostile environment and you have your rifle slung, youre the first one to get shot because you cant get to your gun. But i do agree with your top mounted charging handle, i wish the ar series of rifles had a more foreward charging handle, like the G36 series.
@Kylef7735 From my tour and a half in Iraq, i got stop losses twice out there because of the "Troop Surge", our three point slings would not work too well with a side mounted charging handle. These three point slings are what let us "Drop" our weapons because they are not like other slings. i highly recommend getting one. and if you drop your weapon with a three point, it falls right to your back and readily available. and not the first to get shot. thats wrong.
@darkmerkaba There are advantages to the side handle, but yes, you have a good point. I own the Robinson, ACR and Standard AR, in 556 that is. Of them all, I think the ACR wins a tad, the robinson is HEAVY, and kicks some what like an AK. The safety on the Robinson is the best to me.
I am going to try out a Larue OBR 556 next, that is due 90% to being milled and that sweeeeeeet hand rail, I despise rails! The rail issue might be why the ACR wins for me.
XCR ergonomics win hands-down. The AR15 was designed when people were still thinking of manipulating autoloading rifles in the same way they did with bolt-action rifles - hold the rifle with your left hand, take it off your shoulder, and pull the charging handle with the right hand.
XCR's side-mounted charging handle means you don't need to take the rifle off your shoulder to operate it. Even if you're left handed, roll the rifle ejection-port-down, and reach over the top with the right hand.
j'ai aussi un LWRC M6A2 mais j'ai a canon court sauf que j'ai un silencieu HALO dessu une poigné tactique et une Dot sight, reed/green, Ø30mm, Incl. flip up cover
I have that exact LWRC M6-A2 rifle in 6.8 spc. I must say it is a beautiful rifle, and have not had any problems with it. Only complaint was that it took 18 months to receive, and that was direct order from the company.
One might also not for Canadians, the AR 15 is "Restricted" whereas the XCR is not... The AR15 your limited to gun ranges only. The XCR can be shot anywhere you can take your normal hunting rifle including hunting.
Either 1 of these guns would be a great sidekick to good pump shotgun. From the shopping around i've done the xcr is about $500 cheaper, so i'd have to go w/ that. Oh, and xcr has a special model for those that live in CA, such as myself, so that a plus.
i dont like that dissasembly knob on the xcr. if your spec ops or swat or a police officer and your clearing a house or rescuing a hostage or clearing the jungle of guerilla fighters and putting your life in danger and you get caught in a fire fight and that little knob on the side gets bumped, then youre screwed.
I also like that they aren't all the shitty ass 5.56 pop gun caliber. They come in 5.56x45mm, 6.5x39mm Grendel, and 7.62x39mm Russian. Robinson Armament is also developing the XCR-M, which is an XCR in 7.62x51mm, or .308 Winchester. I can't wait for it to come out, I'm so excited!
the XCR isn't an AR-type rifle. that's why i like them. it combines the best element from the AR, the FAL, and, my personal favorite, the greatest weapon of all time, the AK. the XCR is really it's own type of rifle
Hmm....the more I see this vid over and over, the more I like the LWRC (and not so much because of reviewr comments). The LWRC just simply looks nicer and more ergonomic. It's not as big and bulky looking as the XCR. What is the price difference between the two?
the XCR shown in this vid has a 20" barrel,This would give the impression of it being bigger. The bulk I'd guess comes from the higher rail profile on top. Which the HK 416 has as well. Inmost areas it's not bulky, but in some it's profile is a bit higher and of course the 20" shown is a bit longer. Which one would quickly point out as being bigger than a standard AR.
Ahh... the barrel is 18.6 with or without the flash supressor? I remember reading somewhere XCR had a 20" long rifle. Anyways, I stand corrected. Still though the XCR is a bit bigger than a standard AR. Just a bit
yeah, they can get a little heavy. I realized this running one in 7.62 at a John Farnam class. By the end of the day my muscles ached from lugging it around an entire day. The new mini upper is going to be offered with a 14.5" light barrel, considerably shaving the weight down. It will be perfect for law enforcement and shooters looking for a good class rifle.
haha! I bet that was a work out, but it will only make you stronger and increase your endurance that much more. The new 14.5 barrel will catch on quick and get great acceptance among those who know consistancy>hype. I saw the XCR being used in the Magpul Dynamics volume 1 dvd series! I never saw Costa yell at the operator of the XCR "Get that chamber clear, feed it feed it... come on!" HAHA!
I guess you can argue this, but in the end it's just a competition of ergonomics, and assessories. In that aspect LWRC wins. They are both just as reliable and durable. (LWRC is more accurate though IMO.)
I love them both, I own them both. But you know which one I prefer.
You have a slight mistake at 0:53 when you say that the XCR has a 30 degree turn on the safety while the LWRC has a 45 degree turn. the LWRC does a right angle which is 90 degrees and the XCR looks like 45-60 degrees
The XCR is a good design but the LWRC is a better weapon. That gun can take anything. I seen a video of a guy loading the magazine underwater and the gun still fired as soon as it came out. What I do like about the XCR is the left sided charging handle. LWRC has that in there REPR modle. But the LWRC has a better bolt release. Ater shooting both of these I would say the LWRC operates much more smoothly and feels overall more accurate, less bulky with it's low profile rail and just a better rifle
I have the M6A2 10.5" w/RDIAS installed. Its freaking amazing in full auto and doesn't 'lift' with sustained fire now that I have the PWS muzzle brake installed.
Also have a ZM LR-300 and have been trying to buy another...I'm glad Para is now building this rifle...its amazing, truly amazing...SHOOT ONE and YOU'll KNOW!
makes simple malfunctions into major malfunctions...
no seriously, it's there so that if a round doesn't want to seat normally in the chamber (a malfunction) you have that built in tool to cram the bolt carrier forward to FORCE that round that didn't want to go in...
I really don't think they serve a valid purpose.. I don't remember ever using it..
makes simple malfunctions into major malfunctions no seriously it True but then again its funny saying it to the people who dont know about ar-15 type's
Some experts use it and some don't such as Chris Costa uses it but Pat Rogers doesn't . I'd rather have it there and not need it, then need it and not have it there. I honestly use it when I do a press check, and yes I know the bolt has a place for your thumb but to ME its more convenient.
Very true, but its really worth the high price for the quality, reliability, and accuracy! if u are thinking about buying one be sure to test fire both before investing that much in a rifle. personally i like LWRC more but both are fuckin epic systems!!
From what I've red the XCR is not an AR type of rifle. It has many differences. It's a long stroke gas piston operated rifle. The LWRC rifles have short stroke systems. There r many differences between these 2 rifles. & I think the XCR, if manufactured properly is far more reliable than any AR type of rifle, even the gas piston operated ones. It's design its made that way. Plus its reported 2 have the same accuracy as an M-4. Overall I think the XCR is a superior design.
xcr is a m16/ak mix. it is a good rifle but it comes with a 200rd waiver that says you have to shoot hot ammo to break it in. I hear the customer service is garbage for xcr. Lwrc just got accepted by the dea also.
From what I've red its more like a AK-47/FN FAL mix. On the xcr forum everybody says their service is great. Check the xcr forum. It has some very few similarities with the AR rifles. It accepts AR magazines. The bolt catch/release button is in the same place. But other than this is a completely new design. I don't know who adopted the LWRC weapons, but I know what I read. My opinion is that XCR has a superior design to any AR type of rifles, including the gas piston operated ones.
Now, about the 200 rounds brake in period. The RA is a small company & in order 2 respect the delivery dates they don't have time 2 brake in them them selves. They let their customers 2 do that. Being a small company explains other things as well. Sometimes they do things in a hurry and the manufacturing process sometimes gets hurt. Any malfunction of the weapons has 2 do with bad manufacturing process, not the design it self. The design is much more rugged & reliable than any AR design
Im not sayin its not a good gun but the American military who has very high standards choose to use a short stroke gas piston ar over the xcr. And then picked the SCAR over both
Did u ever heard of POLITICS? Most of the soldiers didn't even got a chance 2 handle an xcr. If they would, I think they would choose the xcr. A long stroke gas piston makes a much more reliable system than a short stroke 1. Less moving parts. The xcr has it's issues, its a new design. But even so, its still better than the 60 year old design AR. After 60 years the M16/M4 still r the weapons that jam the most. US army lost more soldiers than any other army bcs of the M16/M4 jamming problem.
I did HEARD of politics do you know the history of the m16 becoming the standard rifle for the army nearly everyone was against it and yet it came out on top. Im not sure where you get your facts but I'm assuming it was from the first year of vietnam. The last survey they did of US troops in Iraq an Afgan the m4 had a 95% approval rating from the troops who used them
Those surveys r bullshit. 9 out of 10 soldiers will tell u that these weapons r actually crap. They just jam 2 much. M16/M4 r not 4 war. They may be very good as sports rifles, but not 4 real combat. What the xcr has over the AR platform is reliability & ruggedness. The accuracy is also remarkable, in specially 4 a gas piston operated rifle. & what matters the most in combat is reliability of the weapon. Any soldier will tell u that. XCR would be a great step forward if its going 2 be adopted.
The survey Im refering to is the SOLDIER WEAPONS ASSESSMENT TEAM REPORT 6-03: OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. How many soldiers do you know? both my brothers and my dad are career soldiers with 13 combat tours between them and they all say that the m4/m16 is one of the best guns out there. " If you take care of it it will take care of you!"
I've never owned or shot any of these rifles, since in my country I'm not allowed 2 own a weapon. I only know what I read. Even though I can't posses a weapon here, I do like weapons & everything related 2 them. I've noticed that u r taking it a little personal. From what I've red, the XCR seems 2 be a superior design to AR platform. But I really don't care. Its not my country's soldiers that r dieing bcs of their weapons jamming problem. Its yr military & yr soldiers, not mine.
1st of all im sorry that your country doesn't give you the freedom to own weapons. I own an m4 and have put upwards of 50,000 rds through it with only minor malfunctions nothing a tap n rack wont fix. I have shot the xcr and liked it too, just not as much.
What country you live in?
Fight for your rights man! since man became man he has had weapons and no man or government should be able to deny you your rights!
I live in Romania. We will never have the right 2 bare fire arms. Plus, the Romanians r not that interested in weapons. They would carry one, if they would have this right, but they don't care enough 2 fight 4 this right. As 4 the XCR, what can I say? I personally think that its a great platform that is better designed 4 war than the AR platform. It has the reliability factor on it's side. The M16/M4 r great weapons, but they just need 2 much maintenance. Reliability is what counts the most.
yeah the military just rather get stuff cheap. and its not to expensive. But the winner in reliability is the XM8 with only 118 stops. 226 for the SCAR but the M4 was jammed 863 times but the army still defended it saying they were minor jams and plans to improve the design with cold hamer forging. honestly if they love the M4 so much they should just buy the uppers of the LR-300 or ParaOrnance and keep the spec lowers. Cheaper than a FN2000 or scar but redesigned for reliability and accuracy.
They love the M4 so much because its all about business. I don't know exactly how the LR-300 or Para Ordnance uppers r. But even in that configuration I don't think an M4 can be more reliable than well built XCR. Why don't they make a reliability test in which the XCR is allowed 2 participate? My opinion is that if the XCR is properly manufactured is almost impossible 2 jam. This is the kind of weapon u need 2 fight in a war, not a plastic one. But that's just my opinion.
LR-300 and Paraordance have the same designs. Its basically uses a spring to yank the bolt foward reverse from M4. Actually its more like a reverse AK. Has no recoil from foward action. You don't need a bolt tube in the back so you can have a folding stock and it still uses gas impingment but diverts it outside and disperses it. Much better then letting gas and fouling to get in the chamber. Its cheaper then XCR. Yeah i like XCR over all the rest too.
Thanks for briefing me on the LR-300 & Para Ordnance uppers. The gas diverting thing is a characteristic that a lot of modern rifles use. HK-416 is like that, the LWRC makes rifles this way. From what I know the XCR also has this characteristic. The rifles built in this manner tend 2 have less jamming problems that r related 2 fouling. And how much a rifle that uses LR-300 or Para Ordnance uppers would cost? I know the XCR is about $1700 max. It also has the capacity 2 change barrels & calibers.
oh the price is the same then. about 1700 for the upper. So i guess its better to go with the XCR. I really want an XCR .308. I wonder if it would chop through things like an AK-47 can since the size is similar.
Yeah, an entire XCR costs $1700 max. They make it in any caliber u want. Out of those 3 that r available, I mean.They even make caliber conversion kits. I don't know how much those cost. From what I know they r working on a .308 variant. It should be able to have the same fire power as the AK-47, since the .308 is a more powerful cartridge. 4 me, the XCR is the best rifle design ever made. Simple, rugged, reliable, accurate, ability 2 change calibers. What more do u want?
Atlantic Firearms sells the XCR for $1500 with the heavy barrel ($1449 for the light barrel). The conversion kits used to be $500 a piece. That might have changed. I read recently that Robinson is only making the XCR in 5.56. For other claibers you need to buy the appropriate conversion kit.
On xcrforum they say they r making the xcr in all the available calibers besides making conversion kits. U can by XCR in 5.56, 6.8 & 7.62 mm. They say they r working on 6.5 & 5.43 versions. We'll have to see.
yeah the XCR is a really good design and one of the reasons its so good is that Robinson has a lot of experience with AK rifles. But with the USA's corporative imperialist economy a small company like Robinson armament can't satisfy the army's needs so in the end the big corporations win
yeah small companies are great but one of the biggest problems is the neo-colonization that the huge corporations are applying. most products aren't produced in the country where they are consumed, which leads to civil unrest, instability and a really negative effect on economy. I believe Ron Paul was the presidential candidate that understood this issue very well
We're here to talk firearms, and on this subject a great deal of firearms we talk about here are made in America. Take your political BS somewhere else.
Big corporations started out as small corporations. It takes baby steps, just be lucky you were around to possibly see a small company like Robinson Armament become larger. And one day offer you an affordable assault rifle that you can pay for with your rubles or what ever.
XCR upper is machined from a single extruded piece of aluminum with a true one-piece 12 o'clock rail.
XCR safety lever throw is 45 degrees (90 deg on the AR).
XCR bolt is much bigger and stronger than an AR bolt.
XCR ejector is fixed and fool-proof, unlike the on-bolt, spring-actuated AR ejector.
Standard XCR stock can be folded due to lack of AR buffer tube.
XCR barrel can be removed by loosening a single retention bolt.
XCR changeable to four calibers: 5.56, 7.62x39, 6.8 SPC, 5.45x39.
PDBreske 6 days ago
Continued) he didn't check them before hand.
elox02 2 weeks ago
@LPSmasonry I do not own an LWRC but my friend owns M6A2. I went with him when he bought it and his first range trip. Out of 200 rds he ripped the rim off if two casings and had a double feed(double feed mag related) I have my own opinions on piston ARs (over all I don't like them) but I felt comfortable that my $1200-1300 BCM build has yet to malfunction and his $2600 lwrc had 3 the 1st 200 rds also tighten the foregrip rail retention screws his backed out while firing that day prob because e
elox02 2 weeks ago
Great Vid, i've shot the robinson and i personally don't care for it. The Lwrc on the other hand is extremely comfortable.
CaliforniaOceanGrown 2 months ago
yeah, what if you accidently hit the botton and the whole gun disassemble during firing.
AtlantiXYL 2 months ago
I like the folding stock on the XCR. Also you dont have to drop the gun from firing position to pull the charging handle and the bolt release is at your finger instead of having to remove left hand to slap it.
marcbeeme 3 months ago
LWRC hands down!
gmako74 4 months ago
LWRC piston is not that bad
SuperRip7 5 months ago
I believe It's a 60 degree turn on the VCR safety and 90 degrees on the LWRC, not 30 and 45 degrees like you claim. Check with a protractor.
chrisaryee 5 months ago
you forgot to mention the big difference,,,,robinson is GARBAGE
lwrc is TOP OF THE LINE
maby id start of and end like that and save a LOT of time,,lol
crambone34 6 months ago
the un interupted rail is called monolithic
ArcticCatsRape 1 year ago
I like the M6A2 better.
Shrader926 1 year ago
are you wearing a helmet cam? lol or is your wall magnetic?
goodnightChesty1775 1 year ago 3
@goodnightChesty1775
Cyborg eyeball, filmed in zero gravity
GunWebsites 1 year ago 20
@GunWebsites you need to burn that damn cyborg eyball. when skynet finds it John Connor is going to be pissed!
MrRustytrombone 9 months ago
@GunWebsites lol best reply ever
Victoryto 6 months ago
@GunWebsites Seems like the Robinson XCR is the most advanced AK based weapon, and the LWRC M6A2 is the most advanced AR type weapon, would that be correct ?
600trillion 4 months ago
To whom it may concern:
How many people here have experience(or own them) with piston system LWRC rifles would love to hear from you on topics of reliability, accuracy or whatever else good and bad looking to buy one by LWRC or Sabre Defence have mixed feelings and even more mixed reviews. Thank You for your time. Matt
LPSmasonry 1 year ago
@LPSmasonry - I heard the GREATEST Difference is RELIABILITY of the LWRC. Like and AK-47 you can drag it through mud or water and it'll fire right up. Even you tube has these vid.'s that show LWRC coming right out of the water and firing.
trangenusa 1 year ago
@LPSmasonry - check out this LWRC video, in YouTube type in LWRC TESTING
trangenusa 1 year ago
Great vid. Keep up the good work!
SammyLBusby 1 year ago
Ive been looking at Ar's and doing my research, the LWRC is goddamn too expensive and what do you really achieve? Wheres the love for the Stag M8? Great quality, lifetime warranty, and so far no problems with cycling wolf.
How much more do i get for basicly $800 more? (Plz no comments about "Carrier tilt"
Tuxedo413 1 year ago
@Tuxedo413 Doesn't the LWRC come with all the bells and whistles, like the quad rail,Troy sights, improved pistol grip and a VLTOR stock? Those are all expensive items, so I would say the M6A2 basically just comes with all the stuff so you don't have to buy it separately. And what is this "carrier tilt" you mentioned? I've heard the word before and it sounds like elitist BS to me.
evilassaultweapon 1 year ago
@evilassaultweapon
claiming things you are uneducated about are "elitist BS" sounds like lazy whining to me
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@GunWebsites My apologies, you are right and I should not have talked about such a thing. However, I said that in response to the previous comment from someone who has obviously caught hell from other uneducated people over how unreliable his Stag M8 is despite his own experience with it. I have had similar experiences first hand and I severely dislike it. I suppose I was taking a misplaced shot at all the people who would insult another person's choice for no reason. Sorry for that.
evilassaultweapon 1 year ago
@evilassaultweapon
Ok, I hear you on that.. not many people NEED a top of the line, so theres no harm or shame in owning an affordable make / model
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@evilassaultweapon - check out this LWRC video, in YouTube type in LWRC TESTING
trangenusa 1 year ago
@trangenusa Pretty impressive. Reminded me of the HK 416 test video. I saw an M6A2 at the gun store the other day and (no surprise) decided I want one (some day, lol). I would also like to see a test featuring all the piston ARs on an even playing field: HK, LWRC, Stag, Ruger, Robinson, perhaps the Kel-Tec SU-16, and any other such guns are out there.
evilassaultweapon 1 year ago
@trangenusa thanks
LPSmasonry 1 year ago
@Tuxedo413 , I agree, TOO G*ddamn EXPENSIVE. Depending on the caliber, ur looking at anywhere from $2000 to $3000 for the larger calibers.
trangenusa 1 year ago
@Tuxedo413
If you want a piston gas system why not Armalite AR 180.Its very cheap.
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
M6A2 wins. And can someone explain what the difference between the M6A2 and M6A3 is?
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
@TaZ101SAGA Right, the M6A2 is the assault rifle version, while the M6A3 was made to be a marksman rifle.
TheSilentOne50 1 year ago
how much is the lwrc? i can't buy it anyway in switzerland, but i'm interessed though.
dieHoelzer 1 year ago
Uh...the "30" degrees is actually 45 degrees and the "45" degrees is 90 degrees...
O8SERVER 1 year ago
Charging handle on the side, where it digs in to my widdle ribs......charging handle in the center were it's pulled towards my little acne pocked face. 1-800-waaaaaaaaaaaa. Bottom line: A weapon does NOT by definition need to be comfortable, but should ALWAYS be comforting. If you want comfort, buy a friggin Lazy Boy and quite your nit picking whining. Sssssheeeesh.
Imustfly 1 year ago
whats your oldest gun?
jinjanco23 1 year ago
the xcr reminds a lot about ak47
siggibiggy 1 year ago
@siggibiggy Internally its very similar.
Kylef7735 1 year ago
@Kylef7735 ye
siggibiggy 1 year ago
You said 45°, looked more like 90°
phlogios 1 year ago 19
The left sided charging handle is AWESOME! No more pulling that T-handle into your face. Also teh ambi bolt release is AWESOME! No more slapping the side of the AR with your palm. Just a quick move of your trigger finger forward and the bolt flies home. Much better economy of motion that my whole arm and palm moving to release that little bolt release on an AR setup. Of course a magpul BAD lever fixes that too so not a deal breaker there.
mixflip 1 year ago
I bought a lwrc M6A2 in 6.8 and had to send it back to factory for sight issues ...they didn't correct it. So i got rid of the hunk of JUNK. I'll stick with whats always worked for me, A COLT!!!!
colorectal45 1 year ago
I hear alot pros and cons,XCR wait and see.LWRC ok let me take it through the jungle down in El Salvador and see what you have.M16A1 had cleaning kit. keep that dust cover closed.Keep your weapon cleaner then your body.clear malifuction,Slap,Tap,Pull,Release,observe,you know the drill "Battle!"
stephenrhaylock 1 year ago
@stephenrhaylock Actually, its Slap Pull Observe Release Tap Squeeze.
SPORTS
lockedowne 1 year ago
They are perfectly fine for people who go o shooting ranges and carry them around a bit. but for anyone who will have it slung on their back for an extended period of time walking around, I wouldn't recommend it.
darkmerkaba 1 year ago
I would not say side charging handles suck... the xcr was designed for military use so that side handle serves for a more tactical purpose.. Most XCR owners including myself love this gun to death... MANY believe it is the BEST rifle design out there and many are also ar15 owners as well. its VERY easy to clean and disassemble. If you have any doubts about the rifle Robinson can easily answer your concerns about the rifle.
jjman482 1 year ago
I'm new to AR type rifles. How do you operate the bolt release? What I mean is, when you're firing, when do you "catch the bolt" and "drop the bolt"?
ThaddeusMcSpalding 1 year ago
Please do yourself a favor and save yourself some money, time and frustration and pick a different weapon. I made the unfortunate decision to purchase an XCR and it has been nothing but trouble. The most aggravating thing of all is their service has been the worst that I have had the misfortune to try and use.
Tr1con 1 year ago
Personally, I find the Robinson more ergonomic, but a Bushmaster a little more reliable. I combined two and now have an ideal rifle....Great video mate!
ricemaster2008 1 year ago
true, i think the caliber change thing is DUMB, ar 15 can caliber change ever more quickly, just switch the upper and mag and you are shooting 6.8.
I am a bit wary of piston systems on AR, so the edge for me would be Robinson (strictly the piston system). BUT, LWRC really did a great job in a conversion that works.
Overall i would take the LWRC, because it's quality is impeccable. I would much rather have a DI LWRC. but that is just me. Ill have to make due with my BCM. LOL
eggworm 1 year ago
@eggworm Both the LWRC and the Robinson are piston systems. After much research about realiability and carrier tilt, I bought an LWRC M6A3 (so I know for sure its a piston system). LWRC does not make a DI AR, they specialize in piston.
wiley086 1 year ago
Duh, preaty much the umm differences duh. Dude they are completly different guns and you took no time to read up on the XCR. This video is an epic fail.
ryotaryuu 1 year ago
LWRC FTW
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago
I was hoping he would compare them on the range
NRA4ever1399 2 years ago
It is worth mentioning that the XCR is a long-stroke gas piston where an AR with a piston would be a short-stroke. They may look similar, but mechanically the XCR has more in common with an AK than an AR.
Kccraft22 2 years ago
@Kccraft22 To be more specific it has more of a FAL design than an AK. But you are correct.
TheLastMag 2 years ago
I agree that the XCR is a great system, which most of its design is based off the AR system. Aside form the piston(which you can now get on AR's) and side charging handle its almost the same gun. I would not mind having an XCR, but I'm just a fan of the tired and true AR. I think to say that one gun is better than the other is still just a matter of opinion.
Imetalman2000 2 years ago
This modular system is amazing - you can have 9 inch barrel long (G36C like) close range defence weapon and only by changing barrel to heavy 18 inch one you will have nice snipe rifle 1 minute later
ww2footage 2 years ago
is it just me, or did the commentator have a biased opinion toward the XCR? I havent shot an XCR but i own an M6A2 10.5 5.56, I really like it. but who cares theres an extra step when disassembling a rifle, who cares about the dust cover, i believe it comes down to what the shooter needs and a little what the shooter wants.
elmosconspiracy 2 years ago
I agree. I have an m6a3 dmr, and i bought it rather than an xcr for several reasons. 1. The LWRC barrel treatment is better. 2. Caliber change is hokey, just buy an AK unless its an ACR. 3. The m6a3 has an adjustable gas port. 4. m6a3 shares 80% of parts with mil-spec m16/ar15's, so if the SHTF, i can cannibalize other AR's. But the commentator is comparing Robinson's only decent offering to only one of LWRC's offerings, nitpicking LWRC...
wiley086 1 year ago
So its looking like XCR all the way!
frylock44 2 years ago
I agree with Red. With the XCR you don't have to pull your face away from the sights to charge the weapon. it is physically impossible to do so with the AR-15. also the XCR is completely ambidextrous. the AR-15 was designed with only right handed shooters in mind. and if you look at the new rifles that are being considered for military adoption, ACR and SCAR they both have the side charging handles.
VIDAR870 2 years ago
also the bolt release for the XCR is at the bottom of the mag well so left or right handed shooters do not have to take their firing hand from the grip to release the bolt. as lefties do with the AR.
VIDAR870 2 years ago
Side mounted charging handles SUCK! worst design ever. sling one and walk around for an hour and you'll feel it digging in your side. it also snags on everything. And who takes the weapon off your shoulder? theres the lever on the side of the weapon that unlocks the bolt and charges the next round. even so, the top mounted charging handle is best for lefties and righties.
darkmerkaba 2 years ago
interesting point
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Thats a good point.
Imetalman2000 2 years ago
@darkmerkaba The guy that showed me the XCR was lefty and said he preferred the side mounted charging handle.
fawakamaha 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba Im right handed never had problems with side mounted chargers...But like GunWebsites interesting point
UberR3D 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba Thats the difference between serious shooters and amateurs. Amateurs complain about comfort.
newbiesupremo 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba I would have to disagree with your last point, the rear charger in the AR is, yes, ambidextrous, but it is in an awkward position to charge from. The AR type rifle is very limited in how far its ergonomics can go because of that silly rear mounted handle, and the use of a buffer tube (as mentioned) makes a folding stock impossible. If you do not like the charging handle digging into your back, sling it the other way.
patsfanczar 1 year ago
@patsfanczar Ive been looking at a lot of rifles lately trying to find the best of all worlds. so far its the Bushmaster ACR (Kinda heavy and the right side safety is in a horrible location, rubs your right hand) and the HK G36. The G36 has the top mounted charging handle and folding stock. but is quite expensive and the charging handle reciprocates, unlike the ACR.
darkmerkaba 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba The fact that the charging handle on the g36 shouldn't be an issue, I don't see reciprocating charging handles as an issue at all really, but the handle on the g36 folds up so there is really 0 chance of getting it snagged. The issue with the g36, however, is the use of an entirely plastic reciever. Stupidest idea I have ever heard, the plastic, though melt-proof, still warps over time under heat which very negatively affects accuracy and reliability.
patsfanczar 1 year ago
@patsfanczar As far as I know the public cannot buy a new G36, SL-8 only. I do not think you can compare anything American/Canadian made to something made by the Germans, just the way I feel personally.
ufloetz 1 year ago
@ufloetz I can't compare a couple rifles just simply because of where they are made? I do believe people can own a semi-auto g36, but I'm not sure what relevance that holds.
patsfanczar 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba Thats not what a sling is for, a sling is for retention, if you drop your rifle, if you are in a hostile environment and you have your rifle slung, youre the first one to get shot because you cant get to your gun. But i do agree with your top mounted charging handle, i wish the ar series of rifles had a more foreward charging handle, like the G36 series.
Kylef7735 1 year ago
@Kylef7735 From my tour and a half in Iraq, i got stop losses twice out there because of the "Troop Surge", our three point slings would not work too well with a side mounted charging handle. These three point slings are what let us "Drop" our weapons because they are not like other slings. i highly recommend getting one. and if you drop your weapon with a three point, it falls right to your back and readily available. and not the first to get shot. thats wrong.
darkmerkaba 1 year ago
@darkmerkaba There are advantages to the side handle, but yes, you have a good point. I own the Robinson, ACR and Standard AR, in 556 that is. Of them all, I think the ACR wins a tad, the robinson is HEAVY, and kicks some what like an AK. The safety on the Robinson is the best to me.
I am going to try out a Larue OBR 556 next, that is due 90% to being milled and that sweeeeeeet hand rail, I despise rails! The rail issue might be why the ACR wins for me.
Jethro212 1 year ago
XCR ergonomics win hands-down. The AR15 was designed when people were still thinking of manipulating autoloading rifles in the same way they did with bolt-action rifles - hold the rifle with your left hand, take it off your shoulder, and pull the charging handle with the right hand.
XCR's side-mounted charging handle means you don't need to take the rifle off your shoulder to operate it. Even if you're left handed, roll the rifle ejection-port-down, and reach over the top with the right hand.
Redchrome1 2 years ago
which is best:
this baby or the ruger, sig, sw mp ?
Rico8458 2 years ago
XCR looks like FN
ww2footage 2 years ago
j'ai aussi un LWRC M6A2 mais j'ai a canon court sauf que j'ai un silencieu HALO dessu une poigné tactique et une Dot sight, reed/green, Ø30mm, Incl. flip up cover
LTmicka 2 years ago
I have that exact LWRC M6-A2 rifle in 6.8 spc. I must say it is a beautiful rifle, and have not had any problems with it. Only complaint was that it took 18 months to receive, and that was direct order from the company.
riptide299 2 years ago
One might also not for Canadians, the AR 15 is "Restricted" whereas the XCR is not... The AR15 your limited to gun ranges only. The XCR can be shot anywhere you can take your normal hunting rifle including hunting.
letterpool 2 years ago
In fact, xcr has several models that are CA compliant! :)
idjcv 2 years ago
Either 1 of these guns would be a great sidekick to good pump shotgun. From the shopping around i've done the xcr is about $500 cheaper, so i'd have to go w/ that. Oh, and xcr has a special model for those that live in CA, such as myself, so that a plus.
idjcv 2 years ago
What I do like about the XCR is the bolt catch, but with a Magpul B.A.D. that problem is solved for any AR.
shaokem 2 years ago
i dont like that dissasembly knob on the xcr. if your spec ops or swat or a police officer and your clearing a house or rescuing a hostage or clearing the jungle of guerilla fighters and putting your life in danger and you get caught in a fire fight and that little knob on the side gets bumped, then youre screwed.
950rpm 2 years ago
You do the best vids mate. excellent presentations.
Rico8458 2 years ago
thanks
GunWebsites 2 years ago
I also like that they aren't all the shitty ass 5.56 pop gun caliber. They come in 5.56x45mm, 6.5x39mm Grendel, and 7.62x39mm Russian. Robinson Armament is also developing the XCR-M, which is an XCR in 7.62x51mm, or .308 Winchester. I can't wait for it to come out, I'm so excited!
CarbineKingClassic 2 years ago
the XCR isn't an AR-type rifle. that's why i like them. it combines the best element from the AR, the FAL, and, my personal favorite, the greatest weapon of all time, the AK. the XCR is really it's own type of rifle
CarbineKingClassic 2 years ago
Hmm....the more I see this vid over and over, the more I like the LWRC (and not so much because of reviewr comments). The LWRC just simply looks nicer and more ergonomic. It's not as big and bulky looking as the XCR. What is the price difference between the two?
Zeitgeist74 2 years ago
the xcr is neither big nor bulky. hold one, you'll see.
XCRmongerTerra 2 years ago
the XCR shown in this vid has a 20" barrel,This would give the impression of it being bigger. The bulk I'd guess comes from the higher rail profile on top. Which the HK 416 has as well. Inmost areas it's not bulky, but in some it's profile is a bit higher and of course the 20" shown is a bit longer. Which one would quickly point out as being bigger than a standard AR.
shaokem 2 years ago
Are you sure it's not 18.6"? We have never made a 20" barrel for the XCR that I know of.
XCRmongerTerra 2 years ago
Ahh... the barrel is 18.6 with or without the flash supressor? I remember reading somewhere XCR had a 20" long rifle. Anyways, I stand corrected. Still though the XCR is a bit bigger than a standard AR. Just a bit
shaokem 2 years ago
yeah, they can get a little heavy. I realized this running one in 7.62 at a John Farnam class. By the end of the day my muscles ached from lugging it around an entire day. The new mini upper is going to be offered with a 14.5" light barrel, considerably shaving the weight down. It will be perfect for law enforcement and shooters looking for a good class rifle.
XCRmongerTerra 2 years ago
haha! I bet that was a work out, but it will only make you stronger and increase your endurance that much more. The new 14.5 barrel will catch on quick and get great acceptance among those who know consistancy>hype. I saw the XCR being used in the Magpul Dynamics volume 1 dvd series! I never saw Costa yell at the operator of the XCR "Get that chamber clear, feed it feed it... come on!" HAHA!
shaokem 2 years ago
Hands down....XCR.
nozzghoull 2 years ago
lwrc all the way
Airsoft1218 2 years ago
You make very good videos! I own 2 LWRC Rifles and am very happy with them. You explain both very well.
billt460 2 years ago
The XCR is the better rifle. Designed from the ground up.
esh325 2 years ago
I guess you can argue this, but in the end it's just a competition of ergonomics, and assessories. In that aspect LWRC wins. They are both just as reliable and durable. (LWRC is more accurate though IMO.)
I love them both, I own them both. But you know which one I prefer.
irbananasalad 2 years ago
You have a slight mistake at 0:53 when you say that the XCR has a 30 degree turn on the safety while the LWRC has a 45 degree turn. the LWRC does a right angle which is 90 degrees and the XCR looks like 45-60 degrees
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
The XCR is a good design but the LWRC is a better weapon. That gun can take anything. I seen a video of a guy loading the magazine underwater and the gun still fired as soon as it came out. What I do like about the XCR is the left sided charging handle. LWRC has that in there REPR modle. But the LWRC has a better bolt release. Ater shooting both of these I would say the LWRC operates much more smoothly and feels overall more accurate, less bulky with it's low profile rail and just a better rifle
scarred4life1 2 years ago
I have the M6A2 10.5" w/RDIAS installed. Its freaking amazing in full auto and doesn't 'lift' with sustained fire now that I have the PWS muzzle brake installed.
Also have a ZM LR-300 and have been trying to buy another...I'm glad Para is now building this rifle...its amazing, truly amazing...SHOOT ONE and YOU'll KNOW!
ftldrben 2 years ago
So which do you prefer?
clap5 2 years ago
just our opinion, the LWRC
GunWebsites 2 years ago
I agree, I would go with the LWRC
Squ1bst3r 2 years ago
the lwrc company has excellent custome service.
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
Yea...I'll just wait for the ACR to come out.
clap5 2 years ago
good choice
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
The XCR looks like an AR that went to a football college.
Elephantintheroom01 2 years ago
I really dig the XCR. Such an amazing gun
XCRfan 2 years ago
I love my XCR.
450 rounds through it without a single screwup.
I'm creating some more gun freaks with it's help tomorrow.
A great recruiting tool.
Conan568 2 years ago
LOL I bet.. keep up the good work
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Thanks I will, you too.
Conan568 2 years ago
Fantastic Youtube video.
Television is so just average.
heavensarmory 2 years ago
thanks..
I haven't even turned on my TV in years.. literally
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Me neither, I youtube and web everything.
My PC is displayed on the 48" Big-screen and the PC monitor too.
If somebody has a cool show to see, I'll find it.
heavensarmory 2 years ago
The XCR is Awesome.
It's 4 guns in one if you buy the other calibers, and you can change the barrel and bolt in about 1.5 minutes using only a 1/4" Allen key.
The gas is adjustable, so when the rifle is broken in, you can turn the gas way down and parts last longer.
My XCR will also shoot 1 moa groups with any of the 4 barrels I can put in it.
Conan568 2 years ago
Good to hear from an owner, thanks for the feedback
GunWebsites 2 years ago
Plastic come along way but I still dont like it
taurus1911357 2 years ago
Whats the difference between the lwrc m6a1 and the m6a2, is it just the front sight?
juggernautbjj77 2 years ago
The rails on the A2 are longer, and it has a lower profile gas-block inside the rail system. The standard model also has a different stock.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
thanks I wasn't sure
GunWebsites 2 years ago
The A1 has a standard handguard and the A2 has a railed gas block to except a BUIS, and the A2 has a foregrip rail system.
oldannyboy37 2 years ago
bellissimo....
kaludio60 2 years ago
what does the forward assist do?
Dmajorproductions 2 years ago
makes simple malfunctions into major malfunctions...
no seriously, it's there so that if a round doesn't want to seat normally in the chamber (a malfunction) you have that built in tool to cram the bolt carrier forward to FORCE that round that didn't want to go in...
I really don't think they serve a valid purpose.. I don't remember ever using it..
or ever needing it
GunWebsites 2 years ago
makes simple malfunctions into major malfunctions no seriously it True but then again its funny saying it to the people who dont know about ar-15 type's
TMHonfire 2 years ago
the Ar 15/m4 i have doesn't have and has never needed a forward assist. I think that was just a add on from the vietnam days
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
Some experts use it and some don't such as Chris Costa uses it but Pat Rogers doesn't . I'd rather have it there and not need it, then need it and not have it there. I honestly use it when I do a press check, and yes I know the bolt has a place for your thumb but to ME its more convenient.
AK74al 2 years ago
2 of the best in the AR line, but very high cost :O(
SKULLZ0MBIE 2 years ago
Very true, but its really worth the high price for the quality, reliability, and accuracy! if u are thinking about buying one be sure to test fire both before investing that much in a rifle. personally i like LWRC more but both are fuckin epic systems!!
dandizzle4444 2 years ago
True that, always test fire a new system before buying. Money tight...Nothing wrong with Test firing a Lower Price Systems too.
Its all about the Best Bang for the Buck :O)
SKULLZ0MBIE 2 years ago
no. the 5.56 xcr is about 1500 and the 6.8 is 1700. all over piston ar-15's got for over 2 grand
malleymyster 2 years ago
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StiviGun1 2 years ago
From what I've red the XCR is not an AR type of rifle. It has many differences. It's a long stroke gas piston operated rifle. The LWRC rifles have short stroke systems. There r many differences between these 2 rifles. & I think the XCR, if manufactured properly is far more reliable than any AR type of rifle, even the gas piston operated ones. It's design its made that way. Plus its reported 2 have the same accuracy as an M-4. Overall I think the XCR is a superior design.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
xcr is a m16/ak mix. it is a good rifle but it comes with a 200rd waiver that says you have to shoot hot ammo to break it in. I hear the customer service is garbage for xcr. Lwrc just got accepted by the dea also.
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
From what I've red its more like a AK-47/FN FAL mix. On the xcr forum everybody says their service is great. Check the xcr forum. It has some very few similarities with the AR rifles. It accepts AR magazines. The bolt catch/release button is in the same place. But other than this is a completely new design. I don't know who adopted the LWRC weapons, but I know what I read. My opinion is that XCR has a superior design to any AR type of rifles, including the gas piston operated ones.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
Now, about the 200 rounds brake in period. The RA is a small company & in order 2 respect the delivery dates they don't have time 2 brake in them them selves. They let their customers 2 do that. Being a small company explains other things as well. Sometimes they do things in a hurry and the manufacturing process sometimes gets hurt. Any malfunction of the weapons has 2 do with bad manufacturing process, not the design it self. The design is much more rugged & reliable than any AR design
StiviGun1 2 years ago
Im not sayin its not a good gun but the American military who has very high standards choose to use a short stroke gas piston ar over the xcr. And then picked the SCAR over both
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
Did u ever heard of POLITICS? Most of the soldiers didn't even got a chance 2 handle an xcr. If they would, I think they would choose the xcr. A long stroke gas piston makes a much more reliable system than a short stroke 1. Less moving parts. The xcr has it's issues, its a new design. But even so, its still better than the 60 year old design AR. After 60 years the M16/M4 still r the weapons that jam the most. US army lost more soldiers than any other army bcs of the M16/M4 jamming problem.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
I did HEARD of politics do you know the history of the m16 becoming the standard rifle for the army nearly everyone was against it and yet it came out on top. Im not sure where you get your facts but I'm assuming it was from the first year of vietnam. The last survey they did of US troops in Iraq an Afgan the m4 had a 95% approval rating from the troops who used them
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
Those surveys r bullshit. 9 out of 10 soldiers will tell u that these weapons r actually crap. They just jam 2 much. M16/M4 r not 4 war. They may be very good as sports rifles, but not 4 real combat. What the xcr has over the AR platform is reliability & ruggedness. The accuracy is also remarkable, in specially 4 a gas piston operated rifle. & what matters the most in combat is reliability of the weapon. Any soldier will tell u that. XCR would be a great step forward if its going 2 be adopted.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
The survey Im refering to is the SOLDIER WEAPONS ASSESSMENT TEAM REPORT 6-03: OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. How many soldiers do you know? both my brothers and my dad are career soldiers with 13 combat tours between them and they all say that the m4/m16 is one of the best guns out there. " If you take care of it it will take care of you!"
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
Do you own or have you ever shot an m4 or xcr?
I think we should agree to disagree.
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
I've never owned or shot any of these rifles, since in my country I'm not allowed 2 own a weapon. I only know what I read. Even though I can't posses a weapon here, I do like weapons & everything related 2 them. I've noticed that u r taking it a little personal. From what I've red, the XCR seems 2 be a superior design to AR platform. But I really don't care. Its not my country's soldiers that r dieing bcs of their weapons jamming problem. Its yr military & yr soldiers, not mine.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
1st of all im sorry that your country doesn't give you the freedom to own weapons. I own an m4 and have put upwards of 50,000 rds through it with only minor malfunctions nothing a tap n rack wont fix. I have shot the xcr and liked it too, just not as much.
What country you live in?
Fight for your rights man! since man became man he has had weapons and no man or government should be able to deny you your rights!
twogunpacifist 2 years ago
I live in Romania. We will never have the right 2 bare fire arms. Plus, the Romanians r not that interested in weapons. They would carry one, if they would have this right, but they don't care enough 2 fight 4 this right. As 4 the XCR, what can I say? I personally think that its a great platform that is better designed 4 war than the AR platform. It has the reliability factor on it's side. The M16/M4 r great weapons, but they just need 2 much maintenance. Reliability is what counts the most.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
yeah the military just rather get stuff cheap. and its not to expensive. But the winner in reliability is the XM8 with only 118 stops. 226 for the SCAR but the M4 was jammed 863 times but the army still defended it saying they were minor jams and plans to improve the design with cold hamer forging. honestly if they love the M4 so much they should just buy the uppers of the LR-300 or ParaOrnance and keep the spec lowers. Cheaper than a FN2000 or scar but redesigned for reliability and accuracy.
marktse 2 years ago
They love the M4 so much because its all about business. I don't know exactly how the LR-300 or Para Ordnance uppers r. But even in that configuration I don't think an M4 can be more reliable than well built XCR. Why don't they make a reliability test in which the XCR is allowed 2 participate? My opinion is that if the XCR is properly manufactured is almost impossible 2 jam. This is the kind of weapon u need 2 fight in a war, not a plastic one. But that's just my opinion.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
LR-300 and Paraordance have the same designs. Its basically uses a spring to yank the bolt foward reverse from M4. Actually its more like a reverse AK. Has no recoil from foward action. You don't need a bolt tube in the back so you can have a folding stock and it still uses gas impingment but diverts it outside and disperses it. Much better then letting gas and fouling to get in the chamber. Its cheaper then XCR. Yeah i like XCR over all the rest too.
marktse 2 years ago
Thanks for briefing me on the LR-300 & Para Ordnance uppers. The gas diverting thing is a characteristic that a lot of modern rifles use. HK-416 is like that, the LWRC makes rifles this way. From what I know the XCR also has this characteristic. The rifles built in this manner tend 2 have less jamming problems that r related 2 fouling. And how much a rifle that uses LR-300 or Para Ordnance uppers would cost? I know the XCR is about $1700 max. It also has the capacity 2 change barrels & calibers.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
oh the price is the same then. about 1700 for the upper. So i guess its better to go with the XCR. I really want an XCR .308. I wonder if it would chop through things like an AK-47 can since the size is similar.
marktse 2 years ago
Yeah, an entire XCR costs $1700 max. They make it in any caliber u want. Out of those 3 that r available, I mean.They even make caliber conversion kits. I don't know how much those cost. From what I know they r working on a .308 variant. It should be able to have the same fire power as the AK-47, since the .308 is a more powerful cartridge. 4 me, the XCR is the best rifle design ever made. Simple, rugged, reliable, accurate, ability 2 change calibers. What more do u want?
StiviGun1 2 years ago
Atlantic Firearms sells the XCR for $1500 with the heavy barrel ($1449 for the light barrel). The conversion kits used to be $500 a piece. That might have changed. I read recently that Robinson is only making the XCR in 5.56. For other claibers you need to buy the appropriate conversion kit.
flatspin11 2 years ago
On xcrforum they say they r making the xcr in all the available calibers besides making conversion kits. U can by XCR in 5.56, 6.8 & 7.62 mm. They say they r working on 6.5 & 5.43 versions. We'll have to see.
StiviGun1 2 years ago
yeah the XCR is a really good design and one of the reasons its so good is that Robinson has a lot of experience with AK rifles. But with the USA's corporative imperialist economy a small company like Robinson armament can't satisfy the army's needs so in the end the big corporations win
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
little corporations become big..
You can think what you want, but I am not so pessimistic
In the US if you have a good idea AND a good product AND good employees, AND good skills for staying in biz, then you get bigger
It may not be easy, but so what?
Who wants everything to be easy?
GunWebsites 2 years ago
yeah small companies are great but one of the biggest problems is the neo-colonization that the huge corporations are applying. most products aren't produced in the country where they are consumed, which leads to civil unrest, instability and a really negative effect on economy. I believe Ron Paul was the presidential candidate that understood this issue very well
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
You sound un-aware of what you are talking about, you don't even live in the US so I doubt you have any realistic idea of how it is here
Your posts have little to do with our videos or even the topics we cover
you are welcome to leave, your posts are not contributing, they are becoming spam filled with your own agendas
GunWebsites 2 years ago
haha believe me, i know what i'm talking about. just because i don't live in a country doesn't make me unaware of its political system.
anyway, i was discussing the XCR i don't know why we are discussing politics
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
you bring up your warped political views in almost every post of yours I've read..
goodbye
GunWebsites 2 years ago
We're here to talk firearms, and on this subject a great deal of firearms we talk about here are made in America. Take your political BS somewhere else.
shaokem 2 years ago 9
Big corporations started out as small corporations. It takes baby steps, just be lucky you were around to possibly see a small company like Robinson Armament become larger. And one day offer you an affordable assault rifle that you can pay for with your rubles or what ever.
shaokem 2 years ago
fuck para ordinance I bought one of their 1911s and two mags into firing the gun litterally fell apartin my hand.
twogunpacifist 2 years ago