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[anardun]

The comments here just make me realise how much we as people do not understand dogs. We love them, but we do not understand them.

[DantesProphet]

i still don't see any of you foul criers posting any alternate methods that work so until then i shall continue believing that this guy knows what hes talking about and you all bashing him are just mad because he did something that seemed "cruel"

[Lumisatmi]

@DantesProphet Ever heard of positive reinforcement? It is the single most powerful tool there is to train or rehabilitate pretty much any dog with any set of problems.

Cesar understands the importance of exercise as well as the effect that the owner's behaviour has over a dog, which I think is great. However, his methods and ideas are very much outdated in the light of what science now knows about dog behaviour. Seriously, just google something like "dogs alpha theory science".

[DantesProphet]

@Lumisatmi I am already aware of the theory however i do not see how he could have dealt with the red zone dog that was ready to lunge at a guys jugular any other way than draining him. If of course you have a method that you know by all means enlighten me.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet I hope you were actually watching the video because Jonbee was not calm, he shut down. A calm dog would stop showing signs of stress. The way Cesar treats these 'red zone' dogs is by adding more stress until they stopped reacting. It's like treating someone with arachnophobia by locking them in a room full of spiders. It does more harm then good. There are better ways to teach a "red zone" dog to be calm then

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap I don't seem to recall saying he calmed down i just asked for a method that would work on a dog ready to rip into someone's jugular. To be frank i prefer the hands on in your face method over the ignoring and waiting for it to realize it's in the wrong method (course that is probably my hatred, of parents that do the same thing with children, talking :/)

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet Waiting for the dog is obviously a lot less stressful then forcing a dog into submission and getting risk bitten. The dog only got aggressive because they tried to force the dog to do what it doesn't want to do, I'm sure if they didn't start grabbing at him it wouldn't have had to escalate that far. Dogs catch on a lot quicker then children, dogs want to please, children... not so much.

[DantesProphet]

ah but there is no way that guy had of knowing that which is why Ceaser was called. And ceaser took care of it the way he always does. As long as he didn't punt the dog or shank it or anything i don't see the problem with his method. And seriously logically speaking who in their right mind would take a dog that may or may not try ripping their throat out depending on whether they make it do something it doesn't want to do? No one was bit ceaser didn't hurt the dog so i don't see the big deal.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet Cesar DID hurt the dog, yanking the leash up high to the point where the dog's feet were off the ground chokes the dog. It stresses the dog out which only worsens the situation. The more Cesar tried to do, more anger escalated. The dog seemed to do fine outside and maybe the dog reacts so violently because it was abused, so Cesar's method would only deepen the trauma. The key to positive reinforcement training is to get the dog to trust you, Cesar's way only

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap meh it appeared to me that jonbee was the one who lifted himself off the ground i don't see any difference in the heights ceaser held the lease at. I do thank you and Lumisatmi however for the posts.However this guy has dealt with multiple red zone cases.so i must assume he knows a bit about what he's doing. Honestly though this kinda reminds me of all the times ppl flipped out on the late great crocodile hunter for the ways he dealt with animals :P

[DantesProphet]

@DantesProphet reread the first part of my post and it seemed ridiculous so i will correct that. the way i saw it at about 6:55 was it? Jonbee seemed to be twisting himself around in an attempt to get himself at ceaser's arm and similar to the way you twist a string and the end begins close in to the point you're twisting it from jonbee drew himself closer to the point he was twisting to. Only problem is it kinda got him off the ground. And no i don't think an abusive relationship is ok.

[DantesProphet]

@DantesProphet this whole mess started because i am getting annoyed with the people that are sitting on their high horses crying foul and saying ceaser's being cruel or mean or vicious and then not showing how they themselves would deal with the situation. I absolutely despise ppl that preach superiority but can't back it up. Now i know i'm not a dog so this is probably a stretch but i think if i were i'd rather have someone like ceaser drain me out rather than be put down don't you agree?

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet People who say Cesar's methods are damaging to a dog are other professional dog trainers, behaviorist, and more. Not just people who've seen the show. They don't 'preach themselves to superiority.' What Cesar fans don't seem to realize is that they're NOT jealous, they're people who love dogs that are knowledgeable and has studied dogs (unlike Cesar) who is trying to tell people who blindly worship Cesar that these methods are dangerous and wrong.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet I saw an excellent example of if Cesar treated people instead of dogs it would be like this: If someone had arachnophobia, Cesar would treat them by shoving them in a closet full of spiders and only let them out when they stop reacting. Does that sound like a right way to help phobia? That would be considered cruel and abusive nowadays, and it was because they did not have the knowledge they have now. Just like Cesar who uses outdated methods based

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet On a theory that does not even exist. "Dominance Theory" the person who made it and came up with it even admitted to everyone that he was wrong. And Cesar always goes about 'dominate blahblah' (now changed to 'leadership' which is just a nicer word but to him means the same thing) as if dogs were wolves, but they're not. Dogs have been domesticated for 1,000's of years so why treat them likes wolves now? I think you don't know much about dogs and you are one

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet one of those people who are trapped in the mainstream/old fashion dog training style. But it has been proven numerous times that positive reinforcement training is a lot more effective and safe. Just check it Victoria Stilwell, she's dealt with aggressive dogs but has never resorted into using choke chains, prong collars, or e-collars. Oh and you can see Cesar tugging upwards at the leash which also choked the dog.

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap Meh i will admit i am old school and just like any person of the old school i am easily aggrivated by this overly sensitive world. although i am still waiting on someone to tell me what was scott supposed to do. It was either call ceaser or have the dog put down and as i said before im not a dog but if i were i think id rather have someone drain me out over being killed.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet But I repeat, I have shown you another way to keep the dog calm and help them to not become so aggressive. So here are the options: Force you into submission and terrify you, let you calm down by yourself and give you treats and praise, or put you down.

I told you, let the dog calm itself down and when it does, toss it treats, that way you can reinforce that calmness. Afterward you can proceed to getting closer to the dog, if the dog is uncomfortable,back off and

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap but how would this man have known that? He had no way of knowing where the aggression was coming from or why so he did what he thought was best and called Ceaser who then dealt with it the same way he does all of his cases. So it still remains that his only two options were call Ceaser or put the dog down. I suppose he could have googled it but most people over 40 tend to not be so trusting of what the internet tells them. :/ Not saying you're wrong just that scott didn't know that

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet You don't have to know a dogs history to train them with PR. Sad part is, most people don't even know 'PR training." And this episode was aired several years back which at the time, PR training was nearly unknown. I'm not blaming Scott, I see him as a man who is trying his best. But I feel like Cesar should know better, even now he practices this way of training and refuses to listen to anyone else, perhaps he's just being arrogant. I just want you to know

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet that what Cesar does to 'rehabilitate' these dogs is rather cruel and cause trauma in a dog. Sometimes Cesar doesn't tame these dogs, instead he may be creating time bombs ready to explode one day. And in numerous occasions his method has failed, but the producers will never show you that now will they?

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet wait until it is calm again. Sooner or later the dog will realize you don't mean him any harm and will allow you to grow closer to him. This would help create a bond instead of making the dog respect you out of fear. You need to realize, you don't have to physically do anything to teach a dog anything. Kikopup (An excellent dog trainer) has proven that numerous times. And you must also take consideration to the breed, Cesar had it all wrong

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet Jindos DON'T have to hunt, they just have to be exercised and played with. They bond extremely closely with normally one person in the household, and there's a lot of 'they're dominating so you have to show them who is boss' misconception floating around the web. You just have to gain their trust and loyalty, after that they'd do anything for you. I know because I own two myself.

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap I never said you or Lumisatmi were wrong nor pardon the bluntness do i recall asking for the lesson on jindo's although i do thank you for that bit of info. I simply said give me an alternate method that would work and asked repeatedly how the guy could have known about said method. Not everyone is a certified dog trainer. There's a problem can't be fixed by them they call for a professional who then deals with it the way they think is best.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet You must also think that Cesar has a huge fan base who think his training method is completely right and can do no wrong. He is hurting dogs around the world with his method of training.

[DantesProphet]

@ChurtleSnap just saw that post where you mentioned the part at the start of the show advising not to try these methods and people still do them. To be fair you can't blame that on Ceaser you have to blame human stupidity on that one :P. Kinda similar to the age old situation of a parent telling a child not to touch a hot stove and bam a burned hand is had I will agree that prducers wont show a screw up though hollywood never willingly admits to their mistakes.

[DantesProphet]

@DantesProphet i do apologize if any harsh words have been had and while i am old school i can accept when someone presents info greater than mine so i thank you for the experience. I simply wanted someone for once to back up what they were saying instead of condemming Ceaser to hell. When a person does that without factual backing it does appear to be jealousy :(

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet If Cesar used some PR then I'm sure he'd have much more fans and I'd respect him. Dog training is also a lot of common sense but it seems that most people lack it and have a hard time with it because they think dogs are some kind of mythical creatures with minds so complex that they always need some kind of professional to fix it for them.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet heightens fear in the dog. So instead of a happy relationship with a dog, the dog would now be under constant stress to submit and be fearful of its owner like an abused child. I hope you don't think that kind of relationship is ok..

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet He also harms dog all over the world by spreading his training methods. In the beginning of the show it tells people not to try anything they see but obviously they will try it and it will be both harmful to the owner and the dog.

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet to force them into submission. First would be just sitting in the room with the dog, DON'T force the dog to interact with you, let him get comfortable by himself. When he is calm you can toss treats at him, this does not mean you should approach the dog just yet. Giving him treats when he is calm will help reinforce the dogs thought that if he is calm, he is rewarded. The key is to let him figure it out himself, and

[ChurtleSnap]

@DantesProphet not to force it. Positive reinforcement isn't always just for doing 'tricks' but for letting dogs realize what behavior is acceptable or not. PR training isn't even always about treats or the dog, it's about helping the people themselves see their dog clearly and understanding them. It takes time and patience but in the end it's worth it.

[DantesProphet]

@Lumisatmi hmm i realize that may have seemed snarky but it wasn't intended to be if you have another method i would seriously like to hear...see it. I suppose i can't hear words on a screen can i?

[Lumisatmi]

@DantesProphet ChurtleSnap already pointed out some things, however I would like to add that this dog is (considering his past) already very well behaved with people. The main problem that is presented in this clip that inside the house, Jonbee doesn't let the guy roll him over. And that is hardly a surprise. "Alpha rolling" (esp. with a calm dog) is one of the most ridiculous of all the outdated ideas that are still common among dog trainers - what we have is a dog that still has trouble --

[Lumisatmi]

@Lumisatmi -- trusting people that is being forcefully rolled over, probably considering it a threat and therefore attacks to defend himself. As shown in the clip he's fine outside on his back when he's comfortable with the situation - I'd guess the problem could have to do with some previous traumas (e.g. violence inside a house) or just the overall situation. Forcing him down at its best might surpress the specific agressive behaviour but is quite likely to harm the rest of his rehabilitation.

[ChurtleSnap]

@Lumisatmi Thank you Lumisatmi~

[Furphurp]

Yes, Jindo are hunting dogs but they don't have to hunt. Just regular exercise for 30 minutes is enough to keep a jindo happy. You can raise them in apartments if you want! This jindo seemed to have gone through abuse, maybe they should have gone deeper into that detail? Once jindos are loyal and accept someone as their master, they are completely submissive.

[captmicha]

So, if dogs are aggressive due to insecurity, fear and panic, how the hell is being confrontational and using tactics like stringing them up on a choke chain or forcing them onto their backs going to make their fear, insecurity and panic any better? Dogs don't feel comfortable when they feel like they're being attacked, their fear, panic and insecurity get WORSE. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[pokerfreak11]

yea ok. this dog would have been put down if it wasent for cesar. cesar tamed him successfully. how many cookies would you have given that dog to rehab him?

[captmicha]

@pokerfreak11 If he tamed him successfully, then why couldn't his owners manage him afterwards and put him up for adoption? You make no sense.

[marcostott]

@captmicha if you watched the show u hear the owner say that they rescue stray dog and find homes for them. jonbee could not get adopted because of his aggression and was suggested to be put down. read this article

google : national geographic jonbee letter

YOU make no sense.

[captmicha]

@marcostott I make plenty of sense. He was surrendered by his owners. They said as much and I can source you to the page that was advertising him for adoption.

[marcostott]

@captmicha lol wut are u talking about. do u rly enjoy this ? just bashing and pin pointing everything cesar does. How come he has great success if u say that the dogs get worse??

get a life adt3

[captmicha]

@marcostott No, I don't enjoy what he does to dogs. He has great success because he's a very flashy showman. He's an actor and nothing more. You don't seem to have the intelligence to comprehend much so I'm not going to waste anymore time on you. It's pointless since you don't have the capacity to learn. So I'm blocking you. Enjoy having a conversation with yourself though, I just won't be seeing it.

[hatenhavoc]

how tight is that rope round his neck!?! surley it just lay down from lack of oxygen its hardly submitting look how ridged he is the poor dog can barley breathe wtf people? cmon dont take "tips" from this guy

[mxmaz]

I would love to see all you online experts post up your videos dealing first hand with a vicious dog known to bite many people whose muzzle came off. I mean seriously people, you are going to protect yourselves in that situation, and if you don't and you just let the dog bite you then you are an idiot.

[captmicha]

@mxmaz Cesar Millan gets bitten all the time! Look at the Shadow video. Look at all the other videos on here of that happening. So by your own admission, Cesar is an idiot.

[mxmaz]

@captmicha Terrible logic there. I never said you are an idiot if you've ever gotten bitten. I said (in reference his situation on this very video, where that psycho dogs muzzle came off) that you'd be an idiot to not protect yourself and just let that dog bite you. That dog could do serious damage! All he did was restrain the dog.

[captmicha]

@mxmaz No, he didn't just restrain that dog. He worked that dog up and put it under an an undue amount of stress and then forced it to shut down. 

[Monkeyevo1]

I really don't understand all the comments involving "Cesar failed because the owners had to give the dog away or re-home him..." Isn't that the point of the rehabilitation? To make the dog less aggressive so that he can be adopted? So if the dog was adopted wouldn't that mean Cesar was successful? To those who say it's dog abuse: So you rather have him not try at all and put the dog down instead? These comments aren't very logical...

[gocheekga]

What really annoys me is Cesar Milan has no qualifications in behavior. .any dog will submit in these conditions .The dog was later re-homed.

[mxmaz]

@gocheekga

That is what the guy does, he takes in strays and rehabs them so that they are adoptable. The fact that this dog was re-homed means it was a success.

[gocheekga]

@gocheekga

The dog was being re homed and they could not cope and gave dog away what happened too the dog is unclear ! Their have been case studies that have shown no improvement using the pinning Technic in the UK if Cesar tehnics are so great why are so many re homing dog centers putting dogs too sleep with aggressive behavior ! They should be singing Caesars tehnics but i dont see this happening.

[thenightmarecafe]

i got a questing?

are wolfs nice to ethother?? i mean this is inst mayby the best but ceasar has a HUGe pack of dogs who love him so i believe in him

animals are mean to ethother sometimes to tame etchother

people forget that ceasar mostly use methodes that doga use on ethother..

[CanisHR]

I hate CM. He's an idiot.



[claudiahoyle]

absolutely ridiculous the abuse this animal suffers

[StPixieofPaws]

That poor, frightened dog. This is just a battle that the dog has no chance of winning. I hear this dog was rehomed anyway, no thanks to the methods used.

[AboutDogTraining3]

El perro no es dominante. Este concepto es una vieja idea que se trajo de estudies en lobos captivos. La verdad es que los lobos so mas como una familia. Lee un video que se llama (Alpha Wolf Dr. Mech) o lee los estudies the Boitani, Zimen y otros sobre perros salvajes

[xxbabigrl94]

is that EVEN a jindo? or shiba

[eyesea]

dogs like this that are realy hard need positive reinforcement, other stuff wont really work

[disastermolly]

All animals require taming. Being domesticated is not the same as being tamed; tamed to the expectations of the society in which it lives. Humans are domesticated, but the prisons are full of those not tamed to societal expectations. The same is true of dogs. It's important to remember that just as not all humans respond to a single type of therapy, not all dogs respond to a single type either. However, Cesar's methods work for the majority of dogs, because it is closest to how a dog thinks.

[thenightmarecafe]

@disastermolly agreed

[catonic]

New age Dog trainers are like Libertarians....All academian with no real life experience.

Cesar handled this dog perfectly. The tongue was not blue. He gets results and these positive methods people are just jealous of his success. It's really quite sad at how they throw their "credentials" around when they can't hold a candle to milan.

Immigrant from mexico teaching americans how to treat their dog, disturbs people.

[AboutDogTraining3]

@catonic, Cesar lied to these people. In the end he was so aggressive they had to give him away.

[paaloozaa]

@AboutDogTraining3

source please

[AboutDogTraining3]

@paaloozaa, Cesar Millan: The Ultimate Episode Guide.

[gocheekga]

@catonic

Its obvious you have not owned many dogs i have and studied dog Physiology and wolves it is Caesars tehnics which have no foundation and are dated.Many highly qualified vets and beahavourists who have handled hundreds of dogs as well as rehabilitating animals not just dogs agree he is wrong he may get 1 in 5 result but they sure dont show you the dogs that have to be destroyed.He has rose too fame by two best selling books and excess too training a Hollywood stars dog.

[James007829]

@gocheekga and of course we also need to point out that inducing catatonia in a dog isn't really rehabilitation and that's why the JonBee became so unmanageable to these people that they gave him away and passed the problem along. Millan's approach was never going to work, no matter how much the ábused - I mean dominated - the dog

[dogueshop]

I'd like to see him try this with a Great Dane or even a wolf, seriously!

[randytate]

I guess my question is, why do so many experts attack him and say his work is useless when you see over 30 "red zone" dogs living happily with him? All of his dogs were slated to be destroyed and would certainly have been killed by 80% of the experts posting these negative comments. And despite calling his work rubbish, you experts never post any contrary methods to enlighten the public! Why is this so? Even citing a good reference might be helpful - until then, Cesar has a compelling pitch.

[Crejaksiaan4ever]

@randytate Search google for => positive reinforcement training , there is your method.

[PinguimMarco]

@stormchaser2005 In fact, wolf packs have a alpha male and a alpha female.

[stormchaser2005]

@PinguimMarco No they don't. A naturally occuring wolf pack has a breeding pair and their offspring. David mech originally coined the term and has since retracted his findings. An artificially created pack such as the ones in yellowstone are something different entirely.

[jakes1213]

just agreeing with you lol

^^

[Thagtim]

Amazing didn't it!

Cesar, you are The Man!

[haleyvandewalle]

if he didnt do that, he would have GOT BIT!

[fuckingamikek]

secondchancelove(dot)org/image­s/jon-beePopup(dot)html

'nuff said

[XDliten]

It's sad to think that this happens. I realy do not like his work. its so sad . :-(

[LitleDusk]

You flip a dog bred for centuries to hunt, of course they would bite... It's like being pinned by a boar- you need to recover and attack.

[ykyjohn]

ppl who say some bad thing about his methods, dont know nothing about dogs.......Cesar Millan , know exactly what his doing.....dont try tu put him down because ur a failure and 100% not the one to be a leader, "Rehabilitation through asphyxiation", when that happens? it sure can make breathing harder, but asphyxiation, u r exagerating, to make CM look bad about his methods, but well he sure succeed where all the ppl and those who say , "im a professional dog trainer", fails.

[LitleDusk]

I'm gonna pick your toddler up and throw them to the ground, and then laugh my ass off, fucking hippie. Jindos are hunting dogs. They are a very old breed. They are bred to be agressive in the hunt and they aren't dogs to be adopted out to just any family. They're as unpredictable as they come- because they're honed in on something called INSTINCT.

[el5pk]

i have no idea why he used a choke tie for this kind of aggressive dog..it obviously doesnt feel the pain

[RunningCashDog]

The dog's tongue is turning blue - CM just strangled him until he couldn't resist.

[linwau]

Yeah, all his rough handling made things worse and the dog was given away. Aggression breeds aggression people. Don't follow his idiotic methods.

[ahudson2012]

wow amazing that dog needed to be shown it was not the boss and cesar did it so calmly. Awesome vid

[SaiYanSighT]

Typical example of the dominance agression. No other way to calm him down.

It is mostly the unexperienced owner's wrong way of dealing with dog collars that makes people extrapolate their hostile attitude toward Caesar's methods.

The tucked tail means the dog's unhappy of being dominated and expresses it's fear of loosing the role of alpha dog. In normal pack of dogs he'd have never reached this role and get this disbalanced.

[stormchaser2005]

@SaiYanSighT what absolute utter rubish. There is no alpha in a pack of dogs, there is no alpha in a wolf pack. It's about time people like you got educated in how dogs really behave! CM is so out of date it's shocking and people like you believe the nonsense he comes out with.

[LeatherBee]

@stormchaser2005

Couldn't agree more. I believe that intstead of fixing the dogs' behaviour, Cesar's methods only surpress it. He bullies (for the lack of a better word) the dogs until they can no longer fight. They don't calm down, they give up. So basically he's cornering them - and I find that very appalling. It's like locking a claustrophobic person in a tiny room and waiting until they realize that there's no way out. Fear DOES NOT equal respect!

[stayingup2late]

Watch this without the sound, and don't listen to the garbage they're saying. This dog's tail is tucked, and his "aggression" is completely defending himself. Note the cut-aways and the change in the dog-- I want to see what he edited out. The American Humane Association has condemned his methods, as have American Veterinary Animal Behavior Society. Why be worried when you're beating up on an anxious frightened dog?

[goldwood7]

Watch it with the sound off. Rehabilitation through asphyxiation, eh?

Nice.

[Howlinatthemoon]

We had a jindo and they can be aggressive. She was a rescue from a Korean restaurant. I became her pack leader and we went on to be a great team. Work it out and keep your leadership intact and you will have a fa tastic furry friend for life.

[NVBKMal]

All the abuse and strangulation did nothing. These people gave the dog away because it was too aggressive.

[cjhutch50]

No, actually the dog was rehabilitated and they decided to keep him as a pet. Get your facts right.

[NVBKMal]

That's a lie. This dog was too aggressive for the owners and was given away. It says so in the Millan Episode guide.

[LitleDusk]

It also says he was rehabilitated using positive training techniques.

[mothergrizzly60]

And to nunpunter-dogs have been "tame" for thousands of years so do not need to be "tamed". And as a professional dog trainer I have worked with many so-called red zone dogs without using such much methods-dogs on quarantine from biting, etc.and the majority of them are still in their homes-and before you go on about the very few that aren't -they had severe medical conditions -I cannot fix brain damage and even vets have limits. Maybe you should educate yourself about canine behavior.

[mothergrizzly60]

This is a hot topic but as a Vet Tech I can tell you the dog displays signs of hypoxia (lack of oxygen) from strangulation, including struggling for air, gasping, trying to escape, then a stiffening of the body as the tissues are being robbed of oxygen (you notice the dogs legs stop bending, either at knees and later at hips). Then we see the animal fall over stiff-legged on its side. Finally, the dogs tongue, swollen and dry, is seen hanging out of his mouth (only briefly, but it is there).

[7zombi]

@mothergrizzly60 Hola amigo traduce esto, así como yo lo hice con tu escrito para entender lo que escribes. Debes tener en cuenta que el perro es dominante y debe tener un líder dominante, con palabras no entenderá por eso deben usar la fuerza sin violencia, se pone la lengua morada por la falta de oxígeno la correa debe ir en el cuello para poder dominar al perro de otra manera sería imposible, no tengas lastima por el perro recuerda es por el bien de los dueños y del mismo perro. Saludos

[Dazvat1]

Caesur is fuckin brill!

[ryguy000]

Alright this is killing me: the husband looks like someone, an old-movie actor.

It's not Don Knotts...but it's someone like that.

Please if anyone knows...it's one of those things were his face is in my mind but I just can't pull the name out.

[Kaos582]

From what I know, Jindo's decide who is their leader, one doesnt show dominance over others in a jindo pack. :D

idk tho im not sure

[sumkidd]

if caesar can calm that dog down, thats not a purebred jindo.

[karcinoma]

yes if it was a "real" it would destroy ceaser....it would eat him while laughing...pure bred Jindos can kill rottweilers just by barking at them......good one..

[jakes1213]

@sumkidd

I am Korean and I've seen pure bred from Jindo Island. From what I see, it's not a purebred.

[sumkidd]

i kno thats what i said, a year ago lol. what are you trying to tell me?

[sumkidd]

obvious he dont know shit about jindos

[Rainkya]

He didn't hurt the dog one bit, believe me it looks worse for the dog then it really is. It sounds like the dog can't breath because he's so worked up, you get shouting running or what ever and you would be breathing harder to. I'm not saying I totally agree with his methods but he knows what he is doing. HE loves and respects his own dogs, you can tell they are happy so he isn't some monster.

[daniellexxE]

Who the hell would just stand there while he's suffocating the dog? He picks it totally up from the ground at one point, and you can hear it struggling for breath.

That's just fucked up. It didn't submit, it gave up because IT COULDN'T BREATH. My god.

[pinker12]

I couldn't have agreed more. =|

[nunpunter]

You don't know anything about taming dogs, dog physiology, or behavioral psychology. It's idiots like you who would rather have a red-zone pit bull maul some child to death, because they didn't want to emotionally upset their little puppy. Get a clue.

[daniellexxE]

Oh please. Be as condescending as you wish, it doesn't have any effect on me. Especially since you are the ignorant one here.

I'd rather the animal be euthanized, actually. But by all means, keep trying to read my mind, it's oh so entertaining.

[lizzieodonnell]

Actually, strangling the dog tells it that this behavior COULD cost it its life. With extremely aggressive dogs and handler-aggressive dogs, they sometimes strangle the dog til it passes out. The dog has two choices: be aggressive and be strangled, or stay calm and meet the new person/dog. I'd rather strangle the dog and have it live than not even try and have it euthanized. That's the easy way out.

[ihartgonzo]

Lawl, nunpunter. LAWL!

Maybe you should check out the research of certified dog behaviorists rather than sensationalistic money-grubbing morons who use incredibly out-dated and disproven methods. CM is not a certified behaviorist... he is a celebrity, this show is edited/glamorized/fictional. A dog who is strangled by humans is a dog who is much more liable to maul a child. Don't believe everything you see on a cheesey TV show, hon. They flash constant warnings not to do this for a REASON!

[counteralfa]

Thats one tough Jindo right there. There are few historical cases in Korea where few Jindos beating wild tigers

[Fizban0101]

I live in Korea and I've never had a Korean tell me that about a Jindo. I don't know where you heard that.

[AVGNOWNS]

mst be his hunting instincts thinking the owners handis a small animal

[ayk3]

Not a Jindo.

[jakes1213]

@ayk3

Correct ^^.

Jindo do not act like that, period