Haha, watching this again after having some real knowledge of Hammy's life is amusing. The references to Jefferson's "Fellow Dreamer" Lafayette seem odd, considering he was far better friends with Hamilton then he was with Jefferson (who said he had a "canine love of fame"...hm.
Sure, Jefferson NEVER resorted to anonymous newspaper articles, eh? Blech. Jesus Christ..."Your democracy is finished?" I wish Hamilton's ancestors could have sued for slander.
Jefferson and Hamilton each had their talents. A good study of the ebb and flow of the reputations of these two over the past 200 years, you can't do better than Knott's "Alexander Hamilton And the Persistence of Myth". I'm a big Hamilton suppoprter, gut I personally think there's room enough to appreciate both these guys.
You have a point there, VoidStone. I just wish that the play was more objective because most people seeing it will not even bother to research on their own to see what was really the situation.
*sigh* That's true. It really is a shame. I hope I'm not turning people into anti-Hamiltonians for posting this up here. O_o I wish there was some good, balanced historical fiction for the time period, but everything seems to be biased in some way. I mean, at the end of the play, Hamilton was about to take over the government with a military coup during the tie between Burr and Jefferson. And there was a weird moment when it looked like they were going to kiss. O_o
The thing was that Jefferson and Adams outlived Hamilton 22 years to the day and could write the history according to their own bias. Too many historians have relied on the Adams-Jefferson correspondence since then. Only recently has Hamilton began to be seen in his true light, both with his flaws and greatness.
Poor, unappreciated Hamilton. It is amazing how someone so awesome can be so disrespected...but I think he is finally getting his due. I <3 Ron Chernow and his biography.
It's a great bio, I'm 200 pages into it. I also read Richard Brookhiser's bio, which isn't bad, but is much more concise and perhaps doesn't give him the full credit he deserves. I always hate it when biographers focus so much on his "flaws, arrogance, infidelity" and all that nonsense. In actuality, he seems one of the most honorable men I've ever heard of. We who know the truth about him should do our best to try to change opinion and give a hero his due. His legacy deserves it's due.
Jefferson was a reactionary slave-owning hypocrite. Hamilton believed in economic diversity, at least, and the mergence of private finance to the public good.This play is pro-Jefferson propaganda.
True, true. I was laughing the entire way through. Hamilton is far more awesome than Jefferson, more than just politically. The thing is, I'm so in love with Hamilton I can tolerate a play turning him into a monarchist as long as he still has that fiesty, Hamiltonian atitude. Monarchist or not (which he wasn't) it is still hella fun to watch him yell at Jefferson.
Haha, and let's face it, Hamilton would've kicked Jefferson's ass, I don't care how much bigger Jefferson was. Hammie is a seasoned soldier who laughed in the face of death, and Jefferson is a wimp who shied away from pain and conflict and hid on his mountain, defaming and scheming against an exceptional Washington administration. Hamilton would've rocked him, lol.
Hamilton's logic comes always comes down to one thing: "It's GOOD to be the king!"
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
Unfortunately, they're more objective about early history than modern.
Lincoln cinched the noose of Hamiltonian Whig-empire on us, and we've been living under de-mock-racy ever since.
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
Haha, watching this again after having some real knowledge of Hammy's life is amusing. The references to Jefferson's "Fellow Dreamer" Lafayette seem odd, considering he was far better friends with Hamilton then he was with Jefferson (who said he had a "canine love of fame"...hm.
Fujikorific 1 year ago
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Kierkegaard73 2 years ago
hamiltonians have ruined america
ne0nsurf 3 years ago
These two need to have some good old fashioned hate-sex XD.
Or something. *cough*
ANYWAY, I think it's funny how personal animosity and high drama are the apparent cores of this miniseries. LOL history is for losers.
Fujikorific 3 years ago
@Fujikorific
"history is for losers."
^---- pigeon to be plucked LOL
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago
Sure, Jefferson NEVER resorted to anonymous newspaper articles, eh? Blech. Jesus Christ..."Your democracy is finished?" I wish Hamilton's ancestors could have sued for slander.
efs120 3 years ago
jewspapers
ne0nsurf 3 years ago
i like this drama
dan020350 3 years ago
Jefferson and Hamilton each had their talents. A good study of the ebb and flow of the reputations of these two over the past 200 years, you can't do better than Knott's "Alexander Hamilton And the Persistence of Myth". I'm a big Hamilton suppoprter, gut I personally think there's room enough to appreciate both these guys.
nysombrero 4 years ago
Also Michael Lind has presented AH in a very positive way. The Chernow bio was very good.
ustinov78 4 years ago
You have a point there, VoidStone. I just wish that the play was more objective because most people seeing it will not even bother to research on their own to see what was really the situation.
ustinov78 4 years ago
*sigh* That's true. It really is a shame. I hope I'm not turning people into anti-Hamiltonians for posting this up here. O_o I wish there was some good, balanced historical fiction for the time period, but everything seems to be biased in some way. I mean, at the end of the play, Hamilton was about to take over the government with a military coup during the tie between Burr and Jefferson. And there was a weird moment when it looked like they were going to kiss. O_o
VoidStone 4 years ago
The thing was that Jefferson and Adams outlived Hamilton 22 years to the day and could write the history according to their own bias. Too many historians have relied on the Adams-Jefferson correspondence since then. Only recently has Hamilton began to be seen in his true light, both with his flaws and greatness.
ustinov78 4 years ago
Poor, unappreciated Hamilton. It is amazing how someone so awesome can be so disrespected...but I think he is finally getting his due. I <3 Ron Chernow and his biography.
VoidStone 4 years ago 2
It's a great bio, I'm 200 pages into it. I also read Richard Brookhiser's bio, which isn't bad, but is much more concise and perhaps doesn't give him the full credit he deserves. I always hate it when biographers focus so much on his "flaws, arrogance, infidelity" and all that nonsense. In actuality, he seems one of the most honorable men I've ever heard of. We who know the truth about him should do our best to try to change opinion and give a hero his due. His legacy deserves it's due.
bptmuff 3 years ago
Jefferson was a reactionary slave-owning hypocrite. Hamilton believed in economic diversity, at least, and the mergence of private finance to the public good.This play is pro-Jefferson propaganda.
ustinov78 4 years ago
True, true. I was laughing the entire way through. Hamilton is far more awesome than Jefferson, more than just politically. The thing is, I'm so in love with Hamilton I can tolerate a play turning him into a monarchist as long as he still has that fiesty, Hamiltonian atitude. Monarchist or not (which he wasn't) it is still hella fun to watch him yell at Jefferson.
VoidStone 4 years ago
Haha, and let's face it, Hamilton would've kicked Jefferson's ass, I don't care how much bigger Jefferson was. Hammie is a seasoned soldier who laughed in the face of death, and Jefferson is a wimp who shied away from pain and conflict and hid on his mountain, defaming and scheming against an exceptional Washington administration. Hamilton would've rocked him, lol.
bptmuff 3 years ago
doubtful.
hamilton was a cock gobbler poo sniffing faggot ball licker
ne0nsurf 3 years ago
@ustinov78
"the mergence of private finance to the public good"
Thank you, Karl Marx.
SovereignStatesman 5 months ago