What's your opinion? Moveset changes for Toon Link, Ganondorf, and Sonic

[snivysaur0000]

toon link side b deku leaf ground leaf gust send people flying in air speed glide. down b skull hammer. final smash ballad of gales camera zooms in on link w/ wind waker and plays the song and the huge tornado sweeps the stage and carries all enemies away

[Benicthehedgehog]

well out of all your opinons of this, I would agree with you on Sonic the most since the sonic Boost could do more damge and maybe it could make some whilwinds that get eneimes that he missed. but you gotta remember that there is a drawback to it, caus unless you are on a long platform, it could end backfiring on you and make you go right off the edge of the stage and you will have a hard time to get to stop in time to prevent yourself from falling.

[TheOR1495]

And finally Sonic, I agree with you completely. The down b is spindash, and it feels like you're actually charging the spin dash in the classic sonic games. Neutral B is homing attack, a classic sonic move, no problems there. Side b I totally agree with you also, that rush move introduced in sonic rush and put in all the other games. Up B is fine. And yeah i'd change the side smashes to something thats not a generic punch, and the down smash is too similar to a spin dash.

[TheOR1495]

For Ganon, the up B you said sounds great. A decent vertical recovery, and also an attack. The B button should be left the same, warlock punch is sorta classic now. Side B should be some powerful 3 hit sword combo, sorta like marth's,but slower and harder to hit,yet powerful. His down B could be Ganon's current up tilt, that charged ultra kick thing. And the up tilt could be changed to some sort of uppercut,similar to mario. Final smash is perfect as is.

[TheOR1495]

For toon link, I totally agree with you for the most part. The leaf idea is perfect. As for the boots I agree as well, he could use them to fall down fast in midair to hit enemies, or even off stage as a recovery to fall down, and leave him in a perfect position to use his leaf. On stage it could make him hard to get off stage, but barely any mobility. I'd leave his boomerang/side b as it is though,since the bombs would be removed, he'd still need a projectile for good range.

[dxidaniel]

iron boots seems kind of cheap

[GamerLink5]

and the funny thing is that Ganondorf is my second best character in Brawl. I guess I'm trying to say is that, I have no problem with clone characters. Which is why I like you're idea from "the top 10 changes you would make for Brawl." specifically the part where you could change a character's move set.

[GamerLink5]

I personally love Toon link the way he is. (I know it's been 2 years since this video but i don't know if i said that before.) He's my best character in brawl. I personally love him because he's faster than link, his down smash is like a pogo stick of death, and he's one of the only characters I can do a meteor smash with.

[LindiTheGameMaster]

Links final smash should be toon links.

Toon links should be him playing Zeldas Lullaby or Song of time to summon something.. maybe the sages to seal all the opponents away.. in other words, all of them lose a life (Knocked Off) ... or Links should be this one.

[gameguy9212]

I think for ganondorf they should have a skeik/pokemon trainer down b where he changes from ocarina to wind waker to twilight princess. each mode having its own move sets.

[gamerat101]

Toon Link's Recovery move should've been the Hurricane Spin. But it might also work as a final smash as well.

[xKOSATx]

why do people consider Toon Link to be different from Link and Toon Zelda to be different from Zelda, but they consider Ganondorf and Toon Ganondorf to be the same person?????

[Ca20494]

Ganondorf final smash should be his super charged blast from ocarina of time.

[Shinybestcrittercare]

for sonic i'd change the standard b. that attack is most of what makes him so cheap. cus of that, ANYBODY can win with sonic. maybe just keep it the same, but lose the "homing device"

[Typhlosionrider]

I think Toon Link's final smash could be like that he pulls the four sword and then he is four times so powerful but also he get four time the damage he takes

[callumbuddy]

I like your idea for a final samash with toon link but I think it should be a light arrow and if you get caght a little cinimatic will play like captain falcon's cinimatic and does a sword to the forhead just like in the final boss

[weDahGamerz]

Have ezlo hat

B Remains Arrows or Spin Attack/Great Spin moves across the ground when charged fully

B-Down Mole Mitts, Bomb, Gust Jar (but only 1) fast clawing (fan) for mitts and imagine kirby for the gust jar

B-Up Rocs Cape

B-Side Cane of Pacci like mewtwo's flip move but with range maybe control like dins fire

Final Smash: wind or water related like flood the stage and every one swims and use the king of red lions to shoot bombs i also thought of the tornado as being controlled puff up

[joripien]

I agree with you on most things on toon link, exept the iron boots... I dunno, there is already a regular attack that makes TL go down really fast and do some damage and it just seems a bit lame as an improved version of the metal box

[Dalo2953]

i would make some changes to toon link involving attacks from spirit tracks, his side b could be the snake whip annnnnnnnd thats all i got

[GeoffShouldWin]

When I'm Toon link i Use the Boomerang to keep the enemies at a distance

Ganondorf + Sword would just be ike

[redbit12]

toon link is also from spirit tracks,minish cap,and phantom hourglass.

[QuirkyGengar]

Well considering the great spin attack for Toon Link's Final Smash. It would be rendered useless while on Stages like New Pork City where you are more likely to stay in one spot or just die by falling off the stage.

[Flamer589]

i have an idea of maybe paper mario. using the game and watch engine for the flat design of the model and right b being maybe throwing bobbery. up b for power jump to hurt people if he lands on them. right A being hammer. B being fireball ( sorry couldn't think of anything) . down B being ultra hammer. and final smash being supernova.

[frogdancekiller]

you should do one on lucas, dont know about the specials but his final smash could be pk love, also roy so he can return smash

[Coolsandman1]

They should make a majora's mask link, and do like they did with pokemon trainer and have him change between the deku scrub, zora and goron masks, and for a final smash he can use the fierce deity

[imperialsoul]

i agree with all of toon link expect the iron boots maybe replace it with the magic armor,hey fox,ness and pit have a shield , plus toon link's grab attack should be the grappling hook..

[barneybros]

I say, keep toon link's final smash, change regular links to the Song Of Storms. He plays it on the ocarina, the rain, hail, snow lighting, comets, and all hell just breaks loose

[MBlueFlame]

what are you talking about,neither of them have ever owned an ocarina

[barneybros]

@MBlueFlame Its a little game called Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

[MBlueFlame]

whats your point

[barneybros]

@MBlueFlame so yeah he did own an ocarina, thats my point

[MBlueFlame]

i've played twilight princess plenty of times to know that link never carried an ocarina

the n64 link did,but this one didn't

[barneybros]

@MBlueFlame its link. hes not restricted just to twilight princess. captain falcons from f-zero but never falcon kicked or punched. the moves the characters have arent restricted to one game

[MBlueFlame]

i kinda think this one is,if that weren't true then all of his items & designs of them wouldn't be only from twilight princess

[barneybros]

@MBlueFlame what does he have in this game that can only be found in twilight princess?

[MBlueFlame]

gale boomerang,barnes bombs,the clawshot,hero's bow [goron mines design]

[dragonbrooke78]

Here's some changes

SP magic bow

S> stunning bommerang

S^ when fully charged hurricane spin

Sv More ranged

Different but same at the same time

[KefkeWren]

I like the change for Sonic, but rather than a boost, I would have gone with the Light-Speed Dash (Ancient Light) from the Sonic Adventure games. Functionally, it could be similar to Fox and co. with their dash attack, but able to be charged for distance.

[highoffasharpies]

how bout a moveset change to freaking SPAMACHU

[BassistBill1988]

I essentially agree with your Ganondorf, and what irks me is that it's so evident to all of us that those (at least the regular B and Down+B) should be his moves. I even thought he could have a charge B and do that big black hole spark from OoT if not the single one. Why did Nintendo make him a Falcon clone for 2 games? I also like your Deku Leaf Up+B for Toon Link, but the iron boots idea is kind of dull like Mario's water pump. The cyclone final sounds cool. Agree on Sonic 100%.

[youngsora1]

i think for sonics up b should have been tails graving sonic and tails flys you upward

[SuperZack331]

I would say for marios final smash, It should be Ice mario. Which turns his B attack into Iceballs. He would freeze people and in mid-air frozen, They fall down, And turn normal but take more damage then being freezed on ground.

[Nyckid64]

Toon Link's up-smash should be Link's up-smash.

[lunchat7pm]

toon links i kinda agree on but wouldn't that make him a lot like Kirby i mean think about it the skull hammer would be like Kirby's hammer and the boots are like Kirby's thing when he turns in to a stone

[ChibbyTonx]

toon link is ok as you sayed, ganondorf SHOULD use his sword... just like Ike and sonic... i think sonic's homing atack should be faster (like in the games) and yes, spin dash be changed to sonic boost

[lukerbom12]

Toon Link's final smash could also be to fill water into the bottom half of the stadium and to use the King of Red Lions to knock everyone around.

I don't really know what they were thinking when they programmed Toon Link's up-B to be the Spin Attack and not the Deku Leaf.

[Hylianhero777]

NO IRON BOOTS. But skull hammer seems cool.

[dimanthehedghog]

i think that after you use links taunt that puts his sword away he should heep it away untill the next time he uses it and if you hit A he does mortal draw because it looks stupid when he puts it away and just takes it right back out

[dimanthehedghog]

i think olimar should have 10 pikmin at a time Because it's one tenth of his actual maximmum

[urchinawsome3000]

Oh I Know! Sonic will turn into the Werehog after his final smash,

his final smash would be werehog spin or whatever it's called

his b up like ivysaur's, his arms expand up and grab a nearby ledge.

[TechFreak74]

No werehog! No one would play sonic if his FS was Werehog.

[urchinawsome3000]

@TechFreak74 i said sonic would turn into the the werehog, after the werehog's final smash, he'd turn to normal sonic again

[dimanthehedghog]

also i would change meta nights final smash to him going of screen, saying come on or some thing like that and then he comes back on with his army (from nightmare in dream land) :one ax guy one spike ball guy one fork guy and one fliying spear guy

[dimanthehedghog]

a move "ajustment" i would make for king DeDeDe is is his side B, now he throws wadle dee's (regulae guys) sometimes wadlle doo's ithink there called (beam guys) and rarely gordos (spikey guys), i would make him throw all kinds of kirby enemys and if kirby inhales them he gets the abilityhe would get in a kirby gameeven kirbys on your team, also i would ajust his final smash the same way an army of random kirby bad guys kirby can inhale them to

[dimanthehedghog]

thats is suposed to say regular guys

[dimanthehedghog]

even IF kirbys on your team

[dimanthehedghog]

for kirby i wantto change his side B to wheel, his hammer would demoted to a smash move, his final smash would: kirby takes meta nights master for a limmeted time and do moves simmalar to ones from kirby the amazing mirror, i would change his grab to him breathing in like he does when he has the throw abillity, i would do away with all of the weird stone moves and make it so you onlly drop as a stone not a thwomp or anny of that stuff, and i would change one of his taunts to the kirby dance

[dimanthehedghog]

if you don't know what the kirby dance is you obviussly havent played a kirby gamethe only problem is its long, iwould also change his running atack back to the the burning astroid like it was frow melee

[dimanthehedghog]

annother problem i have with sonic is his up B don't get me wrong it's good but it dosent really make sence correct me if i'm wrong but i dont recall sonic ever making springs pop out of noware.

some other moves that don't make sence:

diddy kongs up B and B now if he were to always wear the jetpack amd carry the gun in holder thingy that would be ok,

marios down B it wouldent be a bad move if he would wear F.L.U.D. the whole time

[metal1779]

I think sonic should have a permenant homing attck that you can keep doing forever by rapidly pressing the b button and changing charactors by moving the analog stick. But it is easy to stop by just using a simple attack. That would fit in with some of the 3-d sonic games. And I think toon link's final smash should be pulling out the windwaker and moving the analog stick in a certain direction would control the wind and push the other charactors in that direction. Like forcing them down, leftETC

[dimanthehedghog]

i'm with you on the homing atack thing

[Jjwiredinc]

Ganondorf's side smash would be more like ike's, he would get his big sword out. after all that was what people thought he would do.

[Jjwiredinc]

For Sonic I would change his B+side to the one that fox has, and his final smash a little less powerfull.

[dimanthehedghog]

why would you tone down super sonics power?????

[clone7221]

mine is also costume change i would like being outset link suit with his mirror sheild also if not chane the master sowrd to the phantom sword from phantom hourglass his

up b move i say should be the hammer spin its slow but deals a lot of damage and balances his high jmp and wall jump abilits

and this is or link is b should be bomb arrows

for sonic i just want to say one sec less in his final smash he killed me 3 times its was 1 on 1 but it lasted forever!!

thats all i have to say

[Darklordcomp]

personaly i agree with the first two but wouldn't change sonic XD

[jetray102]

I would also change luigis specail and up specail

Specail the polterguest 3000 which would have 4 different attacks all at random

first the vacum he can move will using it and when a character gets in it they shoot out like a grab

second fire he can't move and it's like bowers fire attack

third water it's like the fludd but he moves backward farther

lastly the ice it has a chance of freezing the enemy and he can move like the vacum

up-specail the carpet from thefake mario2 you can move it

[jetray102]

I would Change sonic's homing attack into a action chain like in sonic unleashed it's still a homing attack but it's faster and attacks more enemies

for the side specail be the ring dash but it's charged like the wario waft the longer you charge the more rings there are when sonics shoes glow he can do a 15 ring dash but with no charge it would be a 1 ring dash you can also direct where the rings go by straight up diagnle and down diagnle

[reynolds12307]

Toon Link

Up B- Grappling Hook, liek the Ivysaur tether recovery

B- Leaf- in the air lets him glide to a platform, but he is vulnerable, on ground works like fludd, pushes enemies back

Down B- Skull Hammer- liek what you said except chargeable, max damage is 50%, but thats a direct hit

Ganondorf

i pretty much agree w/ what you said

Sonic

Forward B- Fire Somersault from SA2

everything else is fine

[artinbazikyan]

take out link completely

TL is better character wise and fighting wise anyway

[MasterKnightDH]

No. Just no.

[artinbazikyan]

any reason's why?

WW link has more charm and emotion than any other link, and in brawl, he is faster, has better recovery, and about the same strength

[whailman]

Right on Bro!

[MasterKnightDH]

And you, there is no reason to remove the regular Link. If anything, Toon Link would be the one deserving removal.

[whailman]

I not about normal Link removal! I think Toon Link just needs a makeover, no removal...

[MasterKnightDH]

You have no concept of balance.

[artinbazikyan]

really now?

you do realize that TL is in the mid tiers, which means he's balanced, while Link is at the bottom of the barrel

[MasterKnightDH]

Even if something like that held true, that is a valid reason to remove the REGULAR Link?

[artinbazikyan]

if it's a balance issue?

yes

I doubt they would do it though, I just brought it up because it would balance out the game more

[MasterKnightDH]

Removing or adding characters does not affect a game's overall balance. If the character is overpowered or underpowered, the handling of the character and/or a mechanic is at fault, not the character/mechanic itself.

[artinbazikyan]

the handling of the character or the mechanic IS the character itself

if they fix it in the sequal, woopdeedo

but in brawl, the game would be more balanced, oh if say, metaknight were gone

[MasterKnightDH]

Meta Knight isn't broken, and if he was, removing him would be like removing the dog from Secret of Evermore. Last I checked, he's still around in the balance hack which specifically nerfs him.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

i just wondered why are you replying and insulting everyones opinion? if your going to say he isn't broken you need actual evidence by the way

[dimanthehedghog]

who are you even talking about?

[MarioLinkGenofan]

oh me and masterknight? just a meta knight arguement >_>

[dimanthehedghog]

wait MarioLinkGenofan what are you talking a bout i don't understand what you rote

[MarioLinkGenofan]

META KNIGHT BEING BANNED! god... i actually know a lot of advanced smashers vocabulary an i think i used some so... yeah. anyways i'll leave it at this. If you want me to explain pm me. If your gonna give me that tr4q crap i don't wanna hear it

[MarioLinkGenofan]

actually i completly agreeing witrh you on this one. balance isn'tinspired by roster number. It just happens to be that the more characters the more likely you'll see a character which is much stronger on games with larger roster due to making each character uniqe. Well i guess we can agree on something:p

[oxe161]

Toon LInk: UP B: Grappling Hook, like Olimar's or Venasaur's Recovery

Ganondorf: Down B could make a temporary fire cirlce around him. like LttP, but he only 4 balls, aming only 4 hits

Sonic: Change the homing attack, its too delayed. And side B has got to go, i disagree with your boost, because down is his signature boost, but make it faster, and side B...Sonic Wind maybe.

As for FS: Toon LInk i agree with the Ballad of Gales. And for Ganon..i suggest a pig from from Oot

[whailman]

Maybe have grapling hook-grab. It is less flawed...

[theLegendofZelda2009]

Link's (Not Toon Link)Final Smash

should be to turn into Wolf Link and

Use the Force Field Thingy

also he should have the double claw shot

[Pianodeity08]

You have some good ideas in this one. But I want to talk about Lucas. He can keep the normal b and side b, but his down b, up b, and final smash need to change. For the up b, I think he should use something with that snake he has. His down b, maybe sick his dog, Sparky on him. His smash attacks need just a little less knockback, and as for the final smash, go with Pk Terra Omega. That's a move used in the final boss battle by his brother Claus, and it's pretty worthy of being his final smash.

[boboblaster999]

I like those changes. The only thing I would add is that while toon link uses up B on the ground, he should shoot out a gust of wind that shoots opponents back, just like in wind waker. And I think gannondorf's side B move should be some kind of dark energy pulse, like the one he uses to block navi in ocarina, simply because he would have all of his A attacks be some kind of sword technique, and because some kind of dark wave attack would be pretty cool.

[MasterKnightDH]

Test

[Devhawk124]

I kinda agree with TL's moveset He needs projectiles

I think the next Smash bros needs multiple movesets that could update about every 3 months.

[whailman]

Give Ganny his sword[s]. Make him faster than Ike but slower than Link.

Sonic just needs slightly more powerful attack...

[whailman]

Toon Link: Agree with most, but change B to fire arrow/Ice arrow, Final smash to Hourglass stop(where time freezes(including match and stage) then you can grind damage on frozen opponents until timer in background end and give him mirror shield. Hookshot can have more range too...

[MasterKnightDH]

And Kumatora in Mother 3....she gets: *LifeUp *Healing *Magnet *Fire *Freeze *Thunder *Ground - deals damage proportional to Max HP *Starstorm *Hypnosis *Paralysis *Brainshock *ATK Down *DEF Down

[MasterKnightDH]

Poo gets:

*LifeUp

*Heal

*Magnet

*Freeze

*Thunder

*Starstorm - basically the same as Rockin'

*Shield

*Brainshock - makes enemy feel strange (Confusion)

[MasterKnightDH]

Anyway, I should say more about the PSI in the Mother games. Let's start with Paula and Poo in EB. Paula has:

*Fire - hits a row of enemies for fire damage

*Freeze - hits a single enemy for heavy freeze damage

*Thunder - hits a random enemy for thunder damage

*Magnet - steal enemy's PP (MP)

*Psychic Shield - protect from psychic attacks

*ATK Up

*DEF Down

[MasterKnightDH]

Indeed.

[finalchase11]

toon link:

b: just a single bomb throw and you could control how far it goes by charging it

up b: the leaf in the same ways as video side b: hurricane spin charge it longer the more you spin aslo has a possibilty to fall but its a good multi hit move that can rack up a lot of damage fast

down b:control ability take a while to use , but if sucessful you can control and enemy character for a few seconds

(killing your self during this will result in a loss for yourself not the enemy)

[finalchase11]

part two:

final smash:

wind shift: you can change the wind at any time and debree will come( minor damage) it will last a while though

[MarioLinkGenofan]

by now i'm fine with ganons move se it's luigified and have you seen his brawl+ side B? It's ******* awesome. just let ganondorf alone he's already freaking awesome it may not represent his series but i really don't care now... as for toon link a moveset would work well for him i think is...

up b leaf from wind waker

side b keep

down b HAMMAH

b ice/fire arrows randomly changes

and as for sonic... his movesets fine i really can care less for his side b and down b it's not even worth argueing

[MasterKnightDH]

Luigified my ass. He's still a Captain Falcon clone and doesn't even use his GD sword or anything else from the Zelda series.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

comign from somebody whos username is based off the most broken character in brawl thats a lot comign from you >_>. he may not represent how he is in his series >_> but he still is a uniqe figfhter with plenty of moves that make him much different from falcon and he has a supperior playstyle... again do you know exactly what your talking about

[MasterKnightDH]

1) My SN isn't based off of Meta Knight at all. That's a serious misnomer.

2) Meta Knight is not broken at all. He has no glaring strengths. "But high priority--"--only wins you battles of attrition, nothing more.

3) Ganondorf is unique. No he is not.

4) Ganondorf is superior to Captain Falcon? Right, because Falcon can't run circles around Ike or Ganondorf.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

1. alright my bad

2. HAH HAH HAH ahh unpredictible recovery god of gimping strong lagless moves and high priority and his only weakness is his weight but momentum canceling makes him dies around 150% he is the ONLY character to ver be voted into banning in an smash... HE IS BROKEN thanks casual you made my day

3. he's cewrtainly uniqe enough

4. no he is not he has no good matchups he has nothing higher then a 50:50 on advanced levels.

[MasterKnightDH]

Unpredictable recovery is useless if he hits the blast line first and dies as a result. Gimping requires knocking the opponent seriously off balance. And Momentum cancel is a glitch.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

>_> the recovery is flawless unpredictible and if your knocked off stage by a good mk your dead >_> the game is extremly unbalanced and acting like it isn't is denial. He's broken this isn't even worth an arguement he has NO WEAKNESSES AND A CRAP TON OF POWER AT DISPOSAL. i really don't see how this is worth an arguement.

[MasterKnightDH]

(All caps stuff.)

Oh my G-you just fail miserably. No weaknesses? Meta Knight has no projectiles. And he doesn't have this "crap ton of power" you speak of.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

1. he has range and increidble speed making a projectile meaningless like marth

2. *coughdownsmashcoughsidesmash coughshuttleloopcoughn-aircoug­hyouran idiot*

[MasterKnightDH]

1) More misnomers? Down Smash is disjointed, but it fails to cover the entire diamond on FD.

2) If he hits me with any of those 3, he got close to me to begin with. And if that happened with him having anything less than a serious advantage, I'd have to be stupid.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

he's the 6th fastest character in the game it'd be hard to avoid him and the down smash... you know what **** it your a casual smash your too ******* stubborn how about i just ******* show you.

[MasterKnightDH]

Meta Knight: (*WALKS* right next to his opponent)

Opponent: (when Meta Knight is right next to him) Duurrr..

*SPLAT*

[MasterKnightDH]

And I hear people say Meta Knight is insane in the air. No he is not. If you're approaching from the air when I can fight back which is likely, you're defenseless. Either have a serious advantage or go home. And I have played as Meta Knight. He doesn't have glaring range or anything. Ness at least has very good power in the air.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

HE IS INSANE IN THE AIR! IDIOT >_> i play pros and a mk main murdered me with his incredible speed making recoverying useless... also sorry for spamming this vid :D. so... yeah i don't main mk but i brawled people who have and he's a broken son of a *****.

[MasterKnightDH]

He is not insane in the air. That is flat out bullshit. And if you think he is, then come back when you can last 2 seconds in Battalion Wars.

[Threadnaught]

Ganondorf is a slower but stronger CFalcon.

He is a clone character with non of his own moves, the animations are the only part of the moves that are his.

He's had that name longer than Brawl has been out btw, swap Friendcodes and settle your argument in a Brawl or something, but at least check his channel before you say anything else.

[MarioLinkGenofan]

i will settle them and i will apoiligize for getting off topic on a video like this. his side b is ery different in the end (not startup) his up b has a tiny uppercut and his down and standerd... yeah... but none of his standerd moves are falcons his meteor smash is godly too :D maybe i just don't like change htough

[urchinawsome3000]

I think you should do a video for Mario and Luigi.

[JacobTails123]

Boost attack? NICE I never would of thought of that. I agree completely

[GamerLink5]

I think Kirby should be alowed to use other characters' final smashes if he copied their powers.

[GamerLink5]

I think Toon link, (It's a bad name 4 him he should be called wind waker Link.) should wind waker should be all of the smash attacks and he could dis arm some of the other characters if they are holding an item. or could push people off the stage or into the ground or wall to give more damage to your opponet. But Toon Link is a more faster link than his adult counter part. So it offers more stratagy to those who like strength or speed.

[Threadnaught]

It's not just Wind Waker, Toon Link appeared in the follow on (imo the worst Zelda game ever) Phantom Hourglass and I strongly suspect Minish Cap, take a look as the graphics and the characters to see for yourself.

[skystealer4]

@Threadnaught Phantom hourglass did NOT suck, it was much better than zelda 2, the oracle games, four swords, and minish cap.

[Threadnaught]

@skystealer4 I'll let you have that as YOUR opinion, but remember that was MY opinion in my comment, the other half is that Oracle of Ages was good and Minish Cap is my personal favourite. That makes it the best in the series for me.

Four Swords and Zelda 2 are radically different to the rest of the series, Zelda 2 is more like an RPG while Four Swords is more of a multiplayer game than anything else in the series.

[Threadnaught]

You like the game, good for you, but just as my inability to enjoy it doesn't stop you from being able to enjoy it. Your enjoyment of the game (and assertion that it's better than my favourite) doesn't make it good in my eyes.

[skystealer4]

@Threadnaught okay okay, i get it, didn't expect you to reply lets just go enjoy are own games

[Shinybestcrittercare]

@Threadnaught actually i kinda like phantom hourglass. there are a few (or a lot) that are better, but i still really like it.

[vampirekoopa]

grav-king

a character that doesnt exist b specials:

n B :gravity ball: summons a tiny gravity ball it does damage for how long you use it but you can also reflect attacks with it its like the pk thunder

s B (recover move) mega ball: its a tiny magnetic ball that you can throw and you will fly at the ball press it again it will explode how longer its out how more damage it does but it only can explode on the ground

d B sky fall: the sky falls down no explenation needed

up B: gravotrol

[FlorianHeart]

Part 2

Ganadorf still.

FB- When done in the air. Impact damages those close by. The higher when it's excuted, the move range and power.

DB- Same but with effects. When done in the air. If on a player that's on the ground. It'll bury them. If just hiting the stage then it'll trip those on it.

Sonic

F B- Ring toss like Sonic Battle and able to home in on it.

D smash: That Heel flip kick move in Sonic Battle.

END!

[FlorianHeart]

Toon Link

B- Elemental Arrow

FB- Mirror shield toss causing stun like Mewtwo's Down B Shield respawn same as the Boomrang

DB- A counter ability like in Wind Waker

UB- Spin attack is able to be control but as it keeps moving the easier it's for the players that are caught to escape

Ganadorf

B- Warlock Punch Being Chargable so can be an Edgeguard

FB- Same but when grabbed, able to throw them in directions or just press B again to blow their face. Part 1

[urchinawsome3000]

i think sonic's b down should turning into the werehog

not sure what his moveset would be though

[Jjwiredinc]

make the final smash less powerfull its just so darn CHEAP.

[goodnobakes]

Toon. Normal B. Fire arrow like melee. Side B. summons a gust that works like mario's cape. Up B. gust jar sorta like diddy's rocket barrel but doesn't tilt to the side. Final smash. Four swords. summons 3 more links in random spots on the stage and you control all of them at once

Ganondorf. Normal B. energy ball like what was said in the video. Side B. Brawls side B

down B. think of puppet zelda's triforce ground thing. up B. think of a mix of his UP and down B from Brawl

Sonic battle for sonic

[Threadnaught]

I'm sure Link in Minish Cap was a toon Link, so using moves from that game alone, B could be Gust jar grapple/throw, side B could be Cane of Pacci firing a beam to turn opponents around, up B Roc's Cape but with sword pointing straight up and down B, remote bombs, like a portable version of Snake's C-4.

Final Smash, Four Sword where Link splits into four, the player controls one, the other three go on a short rampage.

[Threadnaught]

Ganondrof's B pretty much what you said, side B well I'd say a weaker but faster version of Ike's side smash, as for down and up B, up pretty much what you said for down, sort of like Dedede's, down could be him using his cap to block prjectiles like he did in OOT.

[Blazeknight7]

I agree with Most of the Changes for toon link but I think the Skull Hammer should Down B and the Side B should be his Grapple hook In the air it would Work like Zero Suit Samus' Up B and on the Ground Toon link would Twirl it Above his head and then Launch it at anyone in range. For Sonic I think he should keep his Side B and his Down B Should be the Bounce Attack from Sonic Adventure 2

[MasterKnightDH]

Lucas in Mother 3 gets basically the same PSI as Ness except he dumps Hypnosis and Paralysis for PSI Shield/Counter, ATK Up, DEF Up, and a new PSI named Refresh which can be used for gradually recovering HP.

[MasterKnightDH]

Ninten has: *4-Dimension Slip - escape automatically (not in EB) *DEF Down - reduce enemy DEF (Paula gets it in EB) *DEF Up - increase ally DEF (not in EB) *Heal *Hypnosis *LifeUp *ATK Up - increase ally ATK (Paula gets it in EB) *Power Shield - bounces back damage (nerfed in EB to not be making the affected ally immune) *PSI Shield - reduces elemental damage (Paula gets it in EB) *Quick Up - increase ally SPD (not in EB)

[BurnerMatch]

I haven't played through Wind Waker, so I cannot comment on that one, but it sounds like good ideas!

When it comes to Ganondorf: Just give him the swords and celestial tennisballs from Ocarina of Time. Why was he ever a "Fal-clone" in the first place?

Sonic, I don't have too much problems with... except that I agree with your point. What I would change about him is the color variations. The gloves? SERIOUSLY!??!?!

[MasterKnightDH]

Ness's PSI in EB:

*Rockin' - hits all enemies for heavy damage, uses up PP (MP) easily

*LifeUp - restores HP

*Heal - undo ailments

*Shield - protects from regular attacks, Beta and Omega also auto-returns physical damage

*Flash - inflicts random ailments to all enemies

*Hypnosis - put enemy to sleep

*Paralysis - paralyze enemy (Paralysis in EB acts similar to Scarecrow from Super Mario RPG)

[MasterKnightDH]

Toon Link...yep. Good. But don't be too extreme with the Iron Boots.

Ganondorf......make his fireball possible to reflect just by hitting it with any attack with equal or greater priority, but in return making it hard enough to reflect. Other three sounds good.

Sonic.........sounds good.

Anyway, I'm going to give a list of Ness's PSI moves in EB and Ninten's in EB0. Give me a sec.

[TheVodkaHaze]

Sonic: I would actually just change his colours. Make them as different texture hacks I've seen (Knuckles, Shadow, Super Sonic, etc.)

Ganondorf: Ganon's actually been somewhat decloned. In fact, I would apply the Balanced Brawl changes to him.

Toon Link: I would give the Fire/Ice arrows which you can change the effect and his Final Smash.

[Numbuh214]

For Sonic, I'd actually have said to make his Side B the Rush attack on the ground and Sonic Ballet in the air (which would be like the Spin Dash, except it would always be unleashed at full charge and be able to cancel into the Spring more quickly, but deal no damage). I'd actually give him his Bounce attack from SA2 as an aerial Down B, which would work like a stall-then-fall, but then he'd bounce off the first solid thing he hit (ground or opponent, spiking the latter).

[MoreThanOurMemories]

*drool* One thing I probably wouldnt want for Toon Link that you said would be the down B = Iron boots. Would be complicated in the end. Especially since alot of the battlefields are moving.

Although if its like Kirby's down B attack then maybe might be different.

Great ideas for Gandorf but I do like his norm B attack.

Sonic, I do agree and as the previous 2 comments stated, the Side B being Sonic Wave would actually be pretty good :)

I Love it. Keep it up ;)

[ZeroTheHeartlessKing]

i agree with E123Brawler (for the most part anyway) ganondorf what you said, with toon link for his down-b maybe something like the tingle tuner (XD) and give him just ice arrows (young link had fire) and sonic? more moves with sonic battle ( the a attacks), maybe? but i do like the side b to the sonic wave like what E123Brawler said^^

[E123Brawler]

Toon Link and Ganondorf are great ideas (although I'd make Deku Leaf work more like Snake's Cypher, and give him the Fire/Ice Arrows).

As for Sonic, I don't think he needs any more boost/dash attacks, so I'd change his Side B to the Sonic Wave move from Sonic Battle. The one where he spins in place and sends out a shockwave along the ground. When used in the air, he'd launch it diagonally downward in front of him. This would really help Sonic with his stalling problems.

[Numbuh214]

Yeah, Deku Leaf would be best as a Cypher clone and he could change between Fire and Ice arrows with a press of Shield (R by default), just like in Wind Waker. I really think the sword spin attack could've been Toon Link's Down Smash (complete with mobility and massive endlag if you end it without striking some wall with the sword) and the Bombs could then be mapped to his Neutral B, but your other changes are great, if you mean the Iron Boots give him semi super armor like Yoshi's Flutter Jump.