The 6 Day War of 1967 - Norman Finkelstein vs Tom Segev 3/4

[caltch51]

@47cargo The Jewish side comes from my mother's side of the family. Jews did not abandon the land they were shoved out, and that happened in 70ad by the Romans. The Romans were one of the worst offenders of apartheid and occupying territory that they TOOK by force. So since the Romans took it by force from the Jews, it's the Jews inherent right to have it back. Get YOUR facts straight!

[wolffi2341]

A GOOD PALESTINIAN... IS A DEAD PALESTINIANS// IN DAYS TO TO COME THE ISRAELITE WILL WIPE YOU OF THE MAP THEY SHOULD KILL YOU ALL

[Uncle99B]

When one Israeli citizen is killed it is terrorism, when the IDF kills hundreds of lebanese, gazans, whomever, it is self defense and justified and accidental.

That's all you need to know. Whatever Israel does is the right thing.

[clesterbomb]

I feel bad for Mona

Democracy Now! booked it wrong, should've just been Segev and Finkelstein

[mypoliticalchannel]

WHY DOESN´T FINKELSTEIN SPEAK ABOUT "HITLER AND THE ISLAM" OR ABOUT " HITLER AND THE MUFTI" AND THEIR NAZI ISLAM DIVISION "HANDSCHAR"; DIDN´T IT HAPPEN?RESEARCH! BEFORE NEW ISRAEL EVEN ÉXISTED! ISLAM= FASCISM= NAZISM

[steute2011]

@mypoliticalchannel I wish he would talk about the Israeli terrorist attack on the King David Hotel in 1946, which killed 91 and injured 46 people. To gauge whether or not people even know about this incident and whether or not Israel has the right to call others terrorists? I would also like to hear him talk about the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, which killed 34 and 170 US sailors. Perhaps this will shed light on the value of America's special relationship with Israel?

[neverfearchrisishere]

@mypoliticalchannel reading up that era would also bring up nasty little documents showing links between the Stern Gang and Nazism.... And Israel doesn't want to go anywhere near besmirching one the IDFs founding groups.

[klscott5]

@neverfearchrisishere , In June of 48, Begin and Galili signed an agreement for the absorbtion of Irgun (terrorists) into the IDF. Irgun's political arm was a predecessor to today's Likud Party of which Netanyahu is PM...

[Amunkriket]

Consult lawyers before going to war? Right.

[PURELOVECREW]

Great video, So nice to see the truth coming out.

[JohnnyRock2000]

When a Zionist speaks, out come lies. Truths may be twisted, unproven statements taken as gospel, intentions misstated, all becomes clear with the wish for war as a conclusion.

Israel built its army before all else. When you have forces chomping at the bit to fight, that's what you have to do. Israel will alway provoke wars no matter what.

[JerrySPsy]

@JohnnyRock2000 Actually when an anti-Zionist speaks out come lies. It is almost always rooted in anti-semitism. Israel was forced to organize underground defense grps (the precursors of IDF) because Arabs started alll the aggression by murdering Jewish settlers. Then came brutal massacrs in Hebron, Jaffa, Saffra, Jerusalem, & several other viillages & settlements. The British disallowed the Zionists to have guns which is why they started as clandestine operations. Israel wants peace, not war.

[Diosibundo]

3:12

"You're giving me a hard time here..."

Interesting how Segev seems to think that this is all about himself.

[dan2677]

@Diosibundo

idiot

[treon123456]

i hink a great idea would be to send all jews to isreal...build a fence around it....and never let them out to meddle in the affairs of and rob other peoples!

[rockynanach]

Firstly its not insane if you believe:

1. in the Torah/Bible that G-d gave the land of Israel to the Jewish People. Note most Western Counties use the Bible to swear on in a court of law.

2. The Unique history of the jewish people and persecution (most recently the Holocaust) that Israel serves as the only true refuge for the jews hence the law of the right of return.

3. The "occupied territories" were won in a war started by Arab agression

[fredmcmurray00]

@rockynanach

your 3 point are nonsense, nonsense = NO sense.

while people can argue 1& 2 you clearly heard segev say that the israelis "postponed" the war...which means they controlled the start of the war and that the war was a result of what the Israelis "fear" and not what the Egyptians wanted. Therefore it was started by Israel. Dumbo

[mydreampark]

Watch the best youtube video of Gaza called:

" Gaza will Never Walk Alone "

Please share the truth

[rockynanach]

population exchange is a reasonable solution. The palitinians can move to 30 or so wealthy arab countries, just like Israel absorbed jews from all arab countries. Dont forget throughout history this has been done ie. U.S with their extermination of Native Americans etc

[LSRochon]

@rockynanach lol...that's like saying Israeli Jews don't need Israel because they have New York.......totally insane and criminal.

The 4th Geneva Conventions

Art. 49. Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

[chaudrygujrati]

@LSRochon

of course they never need israel because this was founded on blood of millions of palestinian civilians.and zionists who migrated from other part of world dont belong to that land. claim of 2000 years ownership is just religious bullshit in modern time.what a shame for human rights.this is true where there are zionists there are conspiracies and bloodshed.this nation is never peaceful in its history

[treon123456]

@rockynanach ...sig hiel you nazi twit! you must be retarded!

[bravo45]

Comparing the Arab cleansing of Jews in their land after Israeli actions is like blaming 9-11 on the hate crimes against Muslims in the US after 9-11. Its stupid!! Then look at the numbers, Israel cleansed FAR MORE than the Arabs, so it can't even be considered mutual unlike in your twisted head and lastly U can happily switch places with some one in Somalia, don't preach some 1 else.

No justice, no peace!! Israel will pay for each and every single one of its crimes.

[relarerfhjk]

@rockynanach Ssshhh, thinking s bad for you. Stop contributing you have nothing useful to say, you silly bore.

[eugeneedwards]

@rockynanach yes i agree....... population exchange is a good idea. jews can move out of palestine and then the colonial problem will be over.

[JohnnyRock2000]

@rockynanach - Native Americans lost out over a hundred years before human rights were even considered. Zionists love to pick and choose between centuries for moral guidelines. Zionism was born out of a racist europe, an archaic view in current times. But Israel clings to its racism and the evil of it comes out in their rationalizations, in that they believe the creator of the entire universe has a special love for Jews above all else. When Jews kill they believe that they are doing God's work.

[polygamous1]

the only ppl to benefited from the wars are the zionist n extremist on the other side as fornormal ppl on both sides they are the loosers the truth about extremism the few fuck up the rest of the ppl

[Julviano]

Segev : "the word terrorism does not apply to states" he doesn't even know what he is talking about... when a state is waging war against unarmed civilians it inflicts terror upon them, war=terrorism by definition!

[scrollandkey]

by the time she lists all the tv and radio stations & then re-introduces the guests the show is almost over

[ribchwi]

Population Exchange...explain the difference with ethnic cleansing.

[MrDarkbloom]

Well, obviously 'population exchange' isn't the same as ethic cleansing. It has the same process, results and consequences, but obviously it isn't the same. How stupid must we be (oh, and let's not forget 'Jew hating' (!) ) to think it's the same thing! hehe

[MrDarkbloom]

Population exchange! haha That's the funniest (most stupid) thing I've heard today.

[LSRochon]

@MrDarkbloom

hehe...I'd like to hear the details of how a "population exchange" works...

[Amunkriket]

@LSRochon Read about Pakistan India.

[JerrySPsy]

@LSRochon Details of a population exchange? Well Israel had to take in about 7,00,000 Jews that were kicked out of Arab countries & had their homes & possessions stolen. & since the Arabs already own 99.9% of the Middle East why is it not reasonable that those Arabs who refuse to live in peace (as those Arabs who live as equal citizens in Israel) be "exchanged" & absorbed by Arab countries? They gambled with their land by starting wars & terrorism & LOST. But not even Arab countries want them!

[cohenami]

@LSRochon

If you want details, why don't you read about the Treaty of Lausanne ?

[brabon1]

@LSRochon look, you jew hating bastard....not once have you said word one about the jews who were expelled from arab lands

ITS CALLED POPULATION EXCHANGE

AND NOW, BECAUSE THE JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM ARAB LANDS WITHOUT COMPENSATION...THE ARABS GET SHIT

YOUR HATE MAKES YOU STUPID

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

Population exchange...your Ignorance is getting Boring Dude.

- Article 49, paragraph 6 of the Fourth Geneva Convention explicitly stipulates that the occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

[brabon1]

@LSRochon when you get a degree in international law, we can have a long discussion as to why article 49 is not applicable...you jew hating bastard

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

Goldstone ...yah!!!!...Hunts escaped Nazi war criminals on a global scale....Jurist for Yugoslavia and Rwanada......how much more do you want Mr. Lawyer.

[brabon1]

@LSRochon can you stay on one subject? you made a statement about article 49...there are other problems with the goldstone report...and those problems are why the british and the americans have totally disregarded it.

[asrafoo]

in the first part of the video segev says israel could keep the westbank because there was no resistance,implying the palestinians wanted to be occupied.then he says the peaceful resistance was not hard enough. in this part he says terrorism is harmful to the palestinian cause.Since this guy is to be considered a moderate israeli,I'm not sure i could tolerate the rest.Violent resistance back then would have probably justified the total annihilation of palestinians.

[EnnoiaBlog]

Nikolai Podgorny -- In 1967, he delivered an intelligence report to Egyptian Vice President Anwar Sadat that claimed, falsely, that Israeli troops were massing along the Syrian border, just before the out break of the Six-Day War.

[brabon1]

what segev doesnt note is that from 48 to 67 an illegal occupation of the west bank and gaza was indeed occurring....by jordan and egypt

so israel liberated the land

and to the victors go the spoils

the end

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

You need to read the 4th Geneva Conventions and the inadmissability of acquiring territory by war.....it's the reason why Hussein had to give back Kuwait even though he won it militarily by force.

[brabon1]

@LSRochon you need to read what experts in international law say about acquiring land that was already illegally held

both jordan and egypt broke international law when they occupied that territory....not one un resolution demanding that they withdraw

i also find it funny that the doctor never recalls what it was like living under egypts occupation

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

what "experts" and what "territory" are you talking about.

"I was not aware of a distinction, for me the settlements have always been illegal on the basis of the Geneva Convention" -Hans Correl (Former UN Under-Secretary General for Legal Affairs) Thursday, 7 January 2010 BBC News, Jerusalem

[LSRochon]

Res. 465 Unanimous Vote made it clear Israels policy and practices of

settling parts of its population and new immigrants in the Occupied Territories constitutes a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East. The UN called upon Israel to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction or planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since '67, including Jerusalem.

[brabon1]

@LSRochon and yet, when jordan gave all residents of the west bank jordanian passports and when egypt treated gaza like one large prison camp...there wasnt a peep out of the un

the un is nothing but a jew hating criminal entitiy

[brabon1]

@LSRochon and would you care to tell me why you wont address the period between 48 and 67? why neither finkledick, chumpsky, or any other jew hating, israel hating bastard that is out there will ever address that period????

does it have anything to do with the fact that not once did the so-called palestinians demand a withdrawal of jordan and egypt so that they could indeed create their own state, and would therefore prove that such a state is a total farce?

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

The Implementation of the Balfour Declaration of 1917....that's what happened....pure ethnic cleansing for a new Zionist Population. Muslims and Christians were "pushed" out.

[brabon1]

@LSRochon answer the question...why did the so called palestinians say nothing while jordan and egypt were occupying their land...why did the un wait until israel held the land before passing 242?

the balfour declaration did not give the land to jordan and egypt, and had it, the un would have noted that the land should be returned to those respective countries

it didnt...it was illegally held...now go look up what international law says when you liberate illegally owned territory

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

heheh...regarding the Armstice Lines of 1947 to 1948????

I'm making a video for just that question.

Cheers

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

watch?v=VD1terYXUwQ

watch?v=0mmoD20hSbU

[brabon1]

@LSRochon i should watch more youtube videos???? answer my freaking question

you wont, cuz you cant...because the so-called palestinians dont care about having their own state (most are either jordanians or syrians anyway) all they want is israel gone

that is the answer...and you know it

[MrFaz100]

@brabon1

You're arguements are fallacious. The PLO was established in 1964. I think that addresses the question of The Palestinian's desire for a nation pre-1967. The nature and brutality of the Isreali occupation merely heightened this nationalism.

So your argument can basically be summed up to be that the Palestians lived with Egyptian occupation and didnt complain. So Isreal has a right to occupy the territory? You're worst than the zionist fools who think that god promised them the land.

[brabon1]

@MrFaz100 the plo was established for the sole purpose of committing terrorist acts upon the state of israel...not once did they demand that jordan and egypt remove themselves from their illegal occupations...so it is you who makes the fallacious arguments

under international law, israel has every right to occupy and annex lands held illegally....end of story

[MrFaz100]

@MrFaz100

OR you the Isreali's give the Palestinians freedom and the right to a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and you respect its sovereignty. The choice is yours.

Do you have an alternative to those two scenarios?

are you anti-democratic and someone who believes in having aparthied?

Time to show your true colours?

[brabon1]

@MrFaz100 ya....they can all go home to jordan, syria, lebanon and egypt

complete the population exchange

israel will even supply the buses

[MrFaz100]

@brabon1 You are one of those who advocate ethnic cleansing? The more you expose you heinous views the more the rest of the world will see isreals true nature and public opinion is already turning against you. You're like king canute standing against the tide.

[brabon1]

@MrFaz100 so "ethnic cleansing" is ok when the arabs do it, but evil when the israelis do it?

i advocate population exchange...all the arabs can go home now...to jordan, syria, lebanon and egypt

have a nice day...YOU JEW HATING BASTARD

[LSRochon]

@brabon1

Population Exchange is a sugar coated word for "EXPULSION" and "ETHNIC CLEANSING"...Israel has been pushing as you put it "population exchange" for 60 years....how's that working for you?

[LSRochon]

@MrFaz100 ...I think braboon does accept Terror as an acceptable Punishment on Civilians.

[brabon1]

@MrFaz100 also, israel did not occupy the west bank, east jerusalem or gaza in 64...so why was there a need for the plo? what attempts did they make to create a pali state in the land given to them by the un? if they believed that the state of israel was illegitimate, that means they did not wish to follow the first un mandate

therefore, all subsequent un mandates about the region are null and void

that is how contracts work

israel wins...now go home to jordan

[brabon1]

@LSRochon btw, finkeldick is a liar and a fraud...so whatever he says on the subject will not change my mind

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION