CTE Pivoting.wmv

[vegasmachboylv]

so should your bridge hand be placed at the edge of the cue ball?

[blue92830]

what is CTE, center of cueball to edge of object ball OR center of object ball to edge of cubeball. It seems to me that he does the same shot exactly the same, just don't get how the second time the ball goes in when yet, he pivots the cue both times? What does he line up first ? Then, he pivots but does he also shift his bridge more towards the inside as well? Anyone Some people say Edge of cueball to center of OB, but other professionals say Edge of OB to CB? Which one is this guy dude doing?

[SirNoobs]

This is an awesome system. I picked it up recently and I recommend it to intermediate/beginner players. It really works for me because the edge and center of the cue ball can always be seen versus the ghost ball. I mean you can stand behind the shot and imagine how you should overlap the cue ball and object ball but there's no saying if you'll send that cue ball directly into that ghost ball. Your stroke might not match what your eyes tell you!

[aardvaark069]

Not so sure about the purpose of this. Is this an aiming method or is this a method of aiming while applying english? What does CTE stand for? Is this any relation to backhand english?

[unvmygame]

@aardvaark069 CTE is "center to edge". It's a pivot aiming method. This video doesn't cover the details of CTE (I guess I assumed whoever searched for CTE already had the basic foundation of what to do). This video covers how to pivot with that method. Dave

[aardvaark069]

@unvmygame Ah. Thanks. I'll check it out. I don't know enough yet to ask informed questions.

[outdoorpooltable]

bullshit and pointless

[erinluvsdk13]

after watching this vid i practiced for 4 hours on this technic and i finally got... this is the best aiming system i ever used. it almost feels like cheating. thanks for the post

[unvmygame]

@erinluvsdk13 Glad you got it. Most people are too lazy to practice for a few hours to really understand this video. Think of it this way: because you practiced for 4 hours, your pool life will never be the same again.

[jbideastoo]

Thanks for the video Dave. Don't sweat the critics. Someone once said that no one ever erected a statute for a critic.

CTE rocks and does give Ghost Ball the five out. There is no comparison really. Especially when it comes to the weird off-angle shots that aren't easy to see with GB.

@Leon - how it appears to you and how it is in reality are two different things. Once learned this method of aiming becomes super natural and fluid.

[LeonFleisherFan]

Excuse me, but I completely fail to see the point: pivoting appears to be no more than pretty weird way of making it more difficult to take one's stance, which you admittedly end with a nice, firm, straight stroke that would have ensured you make the shot had you taken your stance any other (including any simpler and more obvious!) kind of way...

[unvmygame]

@LeonFleisherFan I think you're missing what cte is. It gets you geometrically perfect on the aim line. That's why you don't just step in. Well, you CAN just step in if you pivot (or arc, however you wanna call it) while standing up and then step in on your post-pivoted line.

[LeonFleisherFan]

@unvmygame Thanks for the prompt and polite answer. I had a look at the explanation on your website, and I'm afraid I do understand what CTE is - I won't call something unnecessarily complicated unless I'm convinced it is. Geometrical imperfection isn't so much due the system one uses, but the consistency and amount of practice one invests, because, quite simply, neither the human body nor the mind are ever going to function like a common denominator in any such equation.

[unvmygame]

@LeonFleisherFan The movement is almost invisible, you arc while locking in the stance. This is something that might seem mechanical at first, but over time it evolves into feel. However, this "feel" is based on definitive points of reference - resulting in the shot solution. Some people "see ball make ball" and some can't. For those who struggle, this system is a solid solid solid foundation to "getting there." Those who can think this is a waste - those who struggle, it changes their life

[TreuloseTomate]

Bullshit.

[djpstacked]

Thanks spidey. Starting to get the groove of it.

[Stylez777]

Just came across this and wanted to say thank you for the video. I'm still confused as I am not used to this pivoting thing (never done it). It sounds so easy yet complicated at the same time. The thing that gets me is the whole sighting and setting up before the pivot. Am I correct to assume your sighting center of CB to edge of OB while your cue is outside the CB then pivot to center on CB and fire?

[unvmygame]

@Stylez777 Make sure you offset 1/2 ball (your tip is at the edge of the CB) and then you pivot along the "shot arc." If your bridge is the center of a circle and the OB is the edge of the same circle, you pivot along the arc of that circle (like the minute hand on a clock). You never rotate from the bridge; rather, you typically pivot from the hip to accomplish this arc.

[capoman1]

Could you explain if and how this aiming method addresses the following? Rail first shots? Carom shots? Combination shots?

[unvmygame]

It's a center-ball-only pocketing system. Nothing for rail-first or combos.

[capoman1]

Hi, thank you for your responses. I did watch the video here on youtube about CTE, and that was where I was getting the "one cue tip over info." I did also see some of the ideas on CTE at Dr. Dave's site too. But I will follow your advice on more research on this.

I just feel that there way too much complication for something so simple as aiming! Aiming has NEVER been a difficult subject, and I have never struggled with it. I just found this interesting.

[unvmygame]

Can't beat: 1) sight the ctel, 2) offset your cue 1/2 ball, 3) pivot to cb center along the shot arc.....on every single shot in pool (nearly). That's simple, imo. No offense to Dr. D, but that's another guy who wants to be spoon fed and refuses to pay for lessons from people who know this stuff well.

[capoman1]

I could say that most players are not so concerned about billiards that we want to pay out the ass for lessons. I love pool and play at least 8 hours a week. But I would say I am in a large majority that, unless I planned on going totally pro, and spending 6+ hours a DAY playing pool, I would not pay someone for advice.

But I must say that Dr. Dave has spent a TON of time devoted to sharing information in a FREE open forum. That is commendable.

I will check this method out some more.

[capoman1]

After seeing this system, I was first amused and amazed; it seemed so simple and universal. But after seeing all of the intricacies involved, I see that it is actually much more complicated than ghost ball.

[unvmygame]

This can spot ghost ball the 5-out. Invest the time to learn it. Never said this stuff was cake - but superior it is.

[capoman1]

I'm sorry, I don't understand the "5-out."

I have seen several different "aiming systems" and different ways of looking at aiming. Just by talking to other players, I have found that everyone views aiming differently. Some people determine where the cue ball and object ball must contact each other, through the line to the pocket, and use that to aim. But my question to these people is: "what do you POINT your cue stick at?" I mean pointing your cue at SOME point is what aiming means.

[capoman1]

So for these people that are considering ball contact points, what are they pointing their cue at? Eventually they tell me that "I know that THIS is where the cue ball must end up in order for those contact points to happen."

So these people are ACTUALLY using the "ghost ball" method, but never realized it, and still may not consider their way of aiming to be the ghost ball method.

[capoman1]

But I see several flaws in the CTE system.

1. At the moment before you stroke, what do you POINT your cue at? Your original aim was at the edge of the object ball. But then when you pivot the cue so that the tip is striking the center of the cue ball, you are no longer looking down table, you are looking only right in front of you. With the ghost ball, you have a long view that aligns with the line that your cue makes.

[capoman1]

2. What are you to do when you need a stroke that does not hit the cue ball in the center?

If you are using side english, then you don't want the cue tip to hit the center, you want it on the edge. So what COMPLICATED method must you consider to now adjust for side english?

[capoman1]

3. The length of your bridge will affect this system.

So now you must pay extra close attention to how long your bridge length is. What do you do if your are very close to a rail? Must you IMAGINE a longer bridge length? Or must you start by using a bridge with your hand on the rail, and then rest your cue on the rail top after finally aligned?

[capoman1]

4. Many components will not be very accurate and will leave the user making many compensations if they constantly miss.

For example, I already stated the bridge length. Must we bust out a ruler to get our bridge length correct?

The "one tip" from center of the cue ball is also another point of inaccuracy. If we are not exactly one tip to the side, then our aim is not true.

[capoman1]

5. Pivoting to the "center of the cue ball" is also inaccurate.

If we are playing a long shot, and we are off of the center of the cue by a HAIR, then this is magnified several times over for the length of the table.

[capoman1]

6. This system is not conducive to good stance and form.

Most systems have the player align their body to the stroke. SO they determine where to stroke to, and then position their body, strengthening their aiming line.

This system has you get down in a stance to stroke at one point, then PIVOT your back arm. How does this promote good form that is consistent?

[capoman1]

7. There are too many adjustments that must be made based on the angle of the shot.

So while the system attempts to simplify the aiming process and use this gimmick, it ends up totally complicating the process. If it is a shallow angle, use THIS SYSTEM. If the angle is ~30 degrees, use THIS system (aim at edge, no pivot). If it is a large cut angle, use THIS system...

Too many complications.

[capoman1]

8. The half-ball hit. This system basically says "If a half-ball hit will make the shot, use a half-ball hit."

How are we to know when a half ball hit will make the shot. It is circular thinking. And this ADDS to the knowledge needed to make the shot, instead of simplifying the process.

[unvmygame]

This isn't part of CTE--- no such thing. That video was wrong.

[capoman1]

9. If the player misses the shot, how does he know what he did wrong? How can he tell if the shot is going to miss, after he shoots, but before the balls collide?

Since we have no "target position" in this system, we can't even tell if we are going to miss until the balls collide. So the player is left to ponder "what went wrong." Bridge length? Did I miss the center of the cue ball? Tip too far over before pivot?

This system is not conducive to self criticism or analysis.

[capoman1]

10. What if we need to "cheat the pocket," or can't see the entire pocket on the shot?

How do we compensate when we must make the object ball miss another ball, or only find one side of the pocket?

[capoman1]

I believe all of these to be flaws in this system. And if you disagree with any, I would like to know specifically how or what you disagree with.

This now highlights the strength of the ghost ball method. No one can disagree that the simple physics requires that the cue ball coincide with where the ghost ball sits. It's easy to see by placing another ball frozen to the object ball in the line to the pocket, and then just it the other ball, as a combo shot; it will NEVER miss.

[unvmygame]

Your understanding of the system is flawed. It sounds like your understanding of CTE is the CTE video here on YouTube. That video isn't correct. The bridge length matters-- but not as you say since it's not the pivot point on any shot. It's a center-ball system - english isn't figured. Once you apply english, it's no longer systematic. BHE is typically used from the pivot point of your cue.

[capoman1]

Hi. I was very specific here, and deliberately so. If my understanding is flawed, or you disagree with a point, please specifically state how.

Thanks.

[unvmygame]

I made this video to help a few people who are lost. I'm probably one of the top people in the U.S. with this info, and I'm not posting free info on youtube beyond what I posted.

[unvmygame]

The pivot length is always 1/2 ball - not a tip. You can pivot a tip, or less, or more. The core system is a 1/2 ball turn. The length of the shot determines the pivot point of your turn. #9: CTE is the BEST to see what you do wrong since you do the same procedure on every shot. #7: The angle has nothing to do with adjustments. I think your understanding of CTE is too flawed to really discuss this well. Unlearn what you think you know about it and see someone like Stan Shuffett.

[unvmygame]

Finally, #5... the bridge is the center of a circle and the OB is the edge of the circle--- you pivot along this shot arc. The shorter the shot, the curvier the arc/pivot-- conversely, the longer the shot - the flatter the turn. When you pivot with the OB vertical plain in mind, you never pivot wrong and you always make the ball. Study guys like Bustamante--- watch his left to right pivots. Or, guys like Stevie Moore. You have good questions, just based on wrong assumptions.

[bry4n3]

Big shift, bad. Small shift, good. You gonna make a lot of "balls". nice vid!

[camel532001]

I have been trying out the CTE aiming system, I have watched Dave doing His thing about pivot. I picked up some useful knowledge. Today I called Ron Vitello, he is the guru of this aiming system, the originator of the 90/90 system. He took the time to give me a lesson on the phone. In about 15 minutes the balls started dropping all over. Hey Dave I heard you went to see Ron a couple of weeks ago. He quite man.

[mmamade]

I tried the CTE system today and it works for me on all the shots from low angle cuts to cuts that are beyond the 45degree angle, although i had to make an adjustment for extreme angle cuts by reverseing the pivot from outside to inside. I also tried Stan Shuffets bank shot from center ball to center ball then pivot inside to shorten the angle of outside of open the angle, this improved my banking by 80 percent. Thanks for the information. What happens when i am on the rail i cant do center ball

[mmamade]

Thanks unvmygame. ? Would it be possible if you were to make some information available with Hal permission of course. Your video opened our eyes to a new way of aiming. Can Hal's method be applied to other forms of English and if so how.These are the kind of question.

Again Thanks for video, if anything it has not killed the cat.... YET.

[mmamade]

Thank You Stan I respect your professional ethic's, but would you know if Hal Houle produce a Video on CD.

Thanks

[mmamade]

That's what i did. he replied that he will only provides that material if he instructs personally. So that's, that i suppose. I don't want to ask here how i might obtain his material because of copy right infringement. Now what about Hal Houle did he ever do a CD of his cte system and if so how might i go about getting that one. That's for your quick response.

[THEstanshuffett]

The material that I provide for students concerning PRO ONE is written to coincide with personal instruction.

[unvmygame]

Hal never printing any materials or produced any CDs.

[mmamade]

I am from Canada where can i get the Stan Shuffet Pro 1 tutorial video

[unvmygame]

You can send a message to: THESTANSHUFFETT here on Youtube. He posted just above you.

[StanShuffett]

Hey Stan here. Hey buddy. Spider Web. What the heck is this? You are missing way too many shots here. What is going on? Center to edge pivot and fire harder. Speed your shot up so the back of the pocket gets dented, then we can see the real pivot. Was that shifting or shitting you said?

[unvmygame]

Tim White, Oyster, please stop pretending to be Stan. It's not professional and illegal. You need to start posting using your own name. It's creepy that you use someone else's name.

[9ballrulz]

Great video. I recently was instructed on the CTE aiming system. I'm still working on trusting it fully. I was told that for thin cut shots, 30 degrees or more, that I should pivot from inside to center of CB. I didn't notice you doing that. Are you always pivoting from outside CB no matter what the cut angle? Another concern was the amount of pivot? Seems like that would matter. Do you line your tip up to the edge of the CB before pivoting? Thanks.

[unvmygame]

I always pivot left to right - which is a Pro1 adjustment to CTE. You are correct - thin cuts you pivot from the inside to the CB center. The way you're describing is the way Hal Houle teaches it - keep doing what you're doing until you master that. Stan Shuffet was a way to eliminate the right to left pivots -- which, trust me, you should seek that info. It's just not my place to advertise that to the world. 1/2 ball pivots are ideal.

[unvmygame]

You should invest a lot of time learning where the pivot point of your cue is (search for colin colenso BHE on youtube) and bridge from that point. Once you use a pivot aiming system to get the "make-ball" position, use backhand english from that point to apply english. Once again, bridging from the pivot point of your cue is crucial. With just a little practice, the combination of these two techniques is hyper-accurate in making the ball and spinning around the table.

[shark0505]

Hocus Pocus Crap! Cant beat Ghost Ball! That Center To Edge system is mathmatically impossible and doesnt work.

[unvmygame]

Ghost ball is a joke. Bustamante uses CTE - tell him it's crap.

[shark0505]

Cant beat the Hopkins method...See Ball, Make Ball. "Its the funniest thing, I just feel the ball in the pocket and it goes in!" Tell you what, I'll put my guy in against your guy and we'll see who wins...click click!

[shark0505]

Actually I'm just kidding. Allen Hopkins is one in a billion when it comes to pool. He can run 400 balls in straight pool by "feeling" the ball in the pocket. Unless your Allen, you should use CTE. For us mortals, its the best way to make balls consistently and improve your game. If you dont believe it, then keep doing ghost ball or whatever you like. Odds are against you beating someone who knows this knowledge!