What's horrible and truly miserable is that life is wasted on people like laminator, and ryddelwearsahat, when the only arguments they can posit are filled with such venomous vitriol and hate against a woman who had done more in her life than could ever do in many lifetimes. If this is what they sound like on the outside, what must they look like on the inside? And ryddel, the more you foam and scream in your outlandish comments, the more your screwed up, self-punishing denial becomes apparent.
@maltaknight69 The more you insult me and play god and try to force your ill-wishing on me, the more you prove me right. Why can't you just accept that your opinion is not universally shareD?
If I made a vidio spekaing FOR you, claiming you were hateful or evil or dead inside, and so was everyone like you, would it not offend you? Especially if people tried to make laws that affected you personally and put you at risk? Thought-nazi.. mind your own business.
wow you all are outrageous, yes she questioned her faith, who hasn't questioned something they believe in? be she is allowed to have her point of view as are all of you. you don't have to be disrespectful because she expressed her thoughts. it doesn't matter what i think about the subject, just that everyone is entitled to their opinion with out being belittled.
Pro-choice, post-abortive and healthy, happy, proud. Also happily married, and a loving, devoted mother. People like mtoher teresa are worthless liars, hypocrites, and manipulators. They do NOT know what people really think or feel or experience, and they pretend that you can 'only' feel this way/what way, under the circumstances they see fit.. Sorry, bitch- but you certainly don't speak for me or the mass majority of post-abortive women who are healthy, happy, and ALIVE inside AND out! Nazi.
@ryddelwearsahat The very fact that you came here and posted, means there is something wrong in your life. Mother Theresa was beautiful inside and out. God love shines through her and you feel it. God Bless and may you find peace.
@ThePapist So, the fact that I spoke out against being LIED ABOUT by a complete stranger who never even met or or knew I existed, yet chose to generalize about me and every other woman on the planet who is post-abortive or pro-choice, means I have a life crises..? Sorry, I speak out against intolerance, prejudice, and lies b/c it's the right thing to do. Please don't lie or assume or project about strangers, you're really off the mark. I feel nothing but evil from your religion, no thank you.
@ryddelwearsahat Most women who have had an abortion do suffer terribly afterwards, that is just a fact. I speak out against abortion because it is the right thing to do. The Catholic Church is THE Church founded by Christ and "the gates of hell shall not prevail against her" Mother Theresa is a Saint. Abortion is going to be made illegal in this Country just as killing outside the womb is illegal. Think of all those little babies who suffered look at a video of an abortion and see for yourself
@Tolyasooo Well, sorry, but i beg to differ. An if you illegalize abortion, you'll be paving the way to red china, in america- you wait and see.. and then you'll wonder why it happened..
There is no 'baby' present in an abortion unless it is a very late-term abortion, which, so you know, i don't support. Have you ever been pregnant, and/or studied fetal development? What about neurology..? Do you know anything about how our bodies develop en utero..? Do you think we're perfectly miniature -c
-c versions of brand-new born babies from conception onward..? We aren't.. did you know we actually ALL start out as genetically female..? We do. I've seen abortion videos and pictures- and don't care b/c a body.. is just a body. Human meat is worthless by itself and when you go so far as to LIE about it, and pretend about it just so you can try to care for it, it makes you shallow, reprehensible. I didn't have to lie about my son to love or want or appreciate him.. & YOU claim to be pro'life'?
-c Lastly, religion has no bearing in this conversation b/c I'm not of your faith, and america is a free country, not the middle east. Illegalize abortion, and pave the way for an americanized red-china, and also pave the way for countless illegal abortions and teen suicides, and child trafficking laws, as well as an economic plunge deeper than we've ever seen, thanks to our current worthless government. You'll make a mess ten thousand times worse.. you know? 'road to hell, good intentions'..?
@ryddelwearsahat exhibition? The little baby is so perfectly formed. He has a head and hands and legs clearly. I am not making this up. You can see for yourself. A body is not worthless, you know that. A body is beautiful and so intricately designed, it is amazing. When, in your opinion is it acceptable to perform an abortion.... the latest week of pregnancy?
@ryddelwearsahat Please explain what you mean by 1st comment. I think the chinese 1 child policy is barbaric. If I plant an onion seed it will grow to be an onion. If I plant carrots they will produce more carrots. If I dig up the plant after a few weeks it will not be edible yet, but will clearly be a small onion or small carrot, It is ALIVE and by uprooting it, I will kill it .... right? The baby's heart is beating, he is growing he is ALIVE, abortion stops his life. Have you see bodies exhib
@Tolyasooo I never said a fetus, zygote, or embryo was not alive, or not human- so do not put words in my mouth and then try to argue against a point I never even made, liar. Who cares if abortion stops a life? Living tissue does not a person make. You know what qualifies as a person, as sentient life? The ability to think, feel, process, and develop mentally. A fetus has no memories, thought,s or opinions- it is a blank CD, an empty human shell- b/c it ha snot been born yet and is not -c
-c even CAPABLE of being conscious, and thus beginning it's journey along the road of becoming a person, b/c of neurochemicals released while en utero that keep it unconscious. Why do you pro'life'rs always fall short when it comes to knowing /everything/ about the developing body? Why do you only care about certain medical facts you can use and play up as a purely emotional, or spiritual argument? Why the deception, the denial, rejection, the FEAR of facts like this? Why is your own -c
-c natural, physical development so poor in your opinion that you eithe rhave to deny certain parts of it, or lie about them, cover them up, or twist them around? I don't deny a single fucking thing, and face the entire argument head on, even if some of the questions OR ANSWERS are less than pretty.. Why do you 'good guys' fear honesty so much? Or are you really that uneducated?
Do you know what we look like at 3 wks development? Ever use google? An embryo or zygote is not a born baby, fool. -c
-c 99% of all aobrtions occur in the FIRST trimester, when the EMBRYO(not fetus) is not even the size of a friggin' lemon. Half the time, even then, it's not even the size of a walnut, and it has FLIPPERS, not even hands. AGAIN, why the deception- why do you pretend all abortions occur in the very late months, when the fetus LOOKS enough like a born baby for you to care about it? Why not show signs of 1st-trimester abortions- why not exhibit tiny globs of red jelly w/ tails, you know, when -c
-c when we look like tadpoles? Why do you manipulate the truth and only use the parts of the argument you scrap together that look photogenic? Show me some respect, and genuine honesty if you want to talk to me. Don't try to pretend that a friggin zygote of embryo is the same as a 3rd-trimester fetus.. or like every single abortion occurs in the last few weeks of pregnancy- for your worthless information, I don't support LTAs.
And, you are shallow- you worship image- idolatry is evil. -c
-c W/ the way you care so much about the simply BODY ONLY, as if the soul, or lack thereof, has no merit- you remind of the cheezy people that prefer beauty over brains- britney spears over albert einstein- b/c apparently it is only the body that counts.. You want to make a difference in this world, perfect cheerleadeR? Become a nurse- care for the elderly and handicapped like me- the people that YOUR kind pretend don't exist or belong in 'normal' society b/c of the way they look or walk..
@Tolyasooo I personally stand around 5 mos. when the brain is developed enough to process/interpret/respond to stimuli- pain. But if it comes to actual physical health of the mother, or if the fetus is severely disfigured or deformed- like if it has fetal alcohol syndrome, or anencephaly(horrible, horrible things, especially FAS- why would ANY woman who wants a child drink while pregnant?) I support late-term abortions.
@ryddelwearsahat Pain stimuli is functioning earlier than 5 mos. Why abort because of disfigurement, aren't you against "the body beautiful" mentality.? I know many severely handicapped children and they are beautiful and happy to be alive and cheery to be around. They are greatly loved.
@Tolyasooo When I said 'disfigured' I mean, like it's missing half of the skull and limbs, ect- to the point of it being ONLY a half-formed body.. Like I said- look up anencaphaly, and tell me that is a person.. it's not. It's a fucking bag of failure to launch, and is a disgrace to humanity to claim that is life of any quality.. There is a difference between being handicapped, and being a fucking vegetable that can't even twitch.
@ryddelwearsahat Anencephaly is indeed very sad, but only 1 in 200,000 children is born with that and die soon after birth. Usually the pregnancy is miscarried or baby born still born. Babies being aborted are perfectly healthy in the majority. Abortion is a barbaric procedure that just has to stop. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but we have to let God be God.
@Tolyasooo God.. has no bearing in this, hate to break it to you, but not everyone is religious, nor should they be. Keep your muslim-like faith-drug-pushing out of my nose, plz. If I want to buy it, I will. Like I said before- I rarely support late-term abortions, so arguing over this or the rarity does nothing b/c we are namely in agreement when it comes, at least, to the drama in LTAs. As for first-trimester abortions- which are the majority- there is no 'baby' just an embryo that is -c
-c probably not even the size of a walnut. Babies are born- we celebrate birthdays for a reason. You think it is barbaric.. I don't other people agree w/ you, other people agree w/ me. It doesn't matter- how someone does or does not reproduce is now your or my jurisdiction- it is theirs, b/c it is their body, their life.. Don't insult me by apologizing to my for my own opinions. It does not 'have to stop'. It can go on forever for all I care, as long as the women HAVING abortions choose it, -c
-c and are not forced, or guilted, or manipulated into it. Same as to whether or not they keep an unplanned pregnancy, or choose adoption- it is up to them, not you, me, or some nonexistant deity. Very few women actually regret their abortions, and I'm one of the mass majority who don't- I'm GLAD of my choice. Insulting me or trying to speak for me, as to why, or lying to/about me.. nothing will change that. I'm not evil, a monster, selfish, lazy.. and it's none of your business. So MYOB.
@ryddelwearsahat oh abortion will definitely stop. America has been awakening to the facts for a long time and the tide is about to change. The blood of so many innocents is crying out to heaven, and justice is about to come about. God the author of Life will not be mocked, and His existence does not depend on your believing in Him. You are so guilt ridden and hate filled you will not allow yourself to see. I'll pray for you. Please don't reply and you will use only vitriol
@ThePapist At best/worst, you will illegalize it.. leaving it only available to rich)like me) who can afford it privately. ...just like in the old days before it was legalized. God is not real, and I do mock it- b/c it is pure hate and hypocrisy. Please, do not presume to tell me how I feel.. I don't have guilt, and I have very little hate in my heart.. All is full of love, actually.. I'll respond as I see fit, and do not insult me by praying for me- how distasteful.
@ryddelwearsahat A baby's heart is beating at 21 days gestation. Abortion stops that heart from beating. A mother has no right to stop that heart from beating. The woman had her "Choice" when she had relations with the man. The vast number of women suffering as a result of abortion is staggering. The mental anguish, as well as the physical toll has been well documented. It has to stop. Abortion hurts women.
@Tolyasooo A heart can think, feel, and retain memories? And it beating means the body it is inside of is not inside of an actual thinking, feeling, separate person's body, irremovable? Sorry, consent to sex is not consent to reproduction.. Pro-choice, post-abortive, and unhurt by abortion. In fact, I am healthy, happy, alive, married, and a MOTHER thanks in big part, to an abortion which allowed me to do all of this, and more. Are you going to lie and accuse me of lying, or being secretly sad?
@ryddelwearsahat I am glad that you were able to still have children and are happy and healthy. Many post abortive women do not feel the same way. Rachel's vineyard counsels thousands. The baby in the uterus is a separate being. He has his own beating heart, he has legs, arms etc. He can say "THIS is MY body" just like his mother can say "THIS is my body". Sex is a total giving of oneself to another person. It is a beautiful act of love and can result in conception. Contraception says "no"
@Tolyasooo Actually, it cannot even THINK anything, b/c it has no conciousness to speak of, let alone worldly knowledge or understanding or experience to base possessive ideaology from. You just lied, big-time.. what, you think from conception onward we are fully-formed babies, just like, microscopic, all ready and waiting to get born and become doctors and lawyers, who love our mommies and dream of stars and shit? We already know how to read, write, think, ect? ...are you 5 years old? continued
-c Sex is whatever you want it to be- it is not your business how, why, when other people have sex. I make love to my husband for pleasure, not to breed like a goat. Birth Control exists for a reason- as does adoption and abortion. Do NOT presume to tell me WHY I have sex and for what purposes, or decide my emotional standing for me, tell me who i do or do not love and why- you are not god, you cannot judge(that is a sin, rattlesnake) and you don't know me. I aborted b/c my birth control failed.
-c Lastly, rachel vineyard should be disbanded completely- a friend of mine had an abortion, was perfectly fine, and was talked into going- and they brainwashed her into a nervous wreck. They TOLD her how to feel, what to feel, and why- and would not listen or LET her be healthy or happy- they WANTED her to be damaged, they wanted TO break her, so they could 'fix' her the way they wanted to- for their little forced-birth nazi agenda. She had to go into a mental hospital and get REAL counseling.
@ryddelwearsahat well, now you are presuming to know how your friend felt. Nobody at Rachels vineyard want s to harm anybody. They are there to help and do not force anyone to attend who does not approach them first. Your friend must have spoken with someone.
Well yes of course the baby can't express himself yet, but if he could that is what he would say. I was just taking a little imaginative liberty like you did when you said " a heart can think, feel and retain memories" of course a heart can't do any of those things, those are the function of the brain, and soul. Life begins at conception. Contraception is just the slippery slope to abortion. Contraception cheapens the value of women and additionally men.
@Tolyasooo Coming from a rape-product, whose mother WANTED to abort her, and was FORCED not to, I'd RATHER have been aborted, despite my nice life. How does contraception cheapen my value? Is that a fact, or is that some religious opinion brainwashed into you to make you believe breeding like a goat and submitting to men like a pay-for-play whorewifeslave is okay? I find what you say offensive and degrading to people- you think them stupid, without will, without their own needs and desires.
@ryddelwearsahat Sorry that you feel you'd rather be dead. There are 2 well know speakers who were both conceived through rape, and are wonderful dynamic women, who are in the counseling field. I am glad they are alive. Dr. Janet Smith gives a talk on how contraception cheapens women. It made perfect sense to me, you might disagree. You sound very angry about a lot of things. Do you believe in God?
@Tolyasooo Do they sit there and smile and thank god that someone had to get beaten, raped, and forced into slavery for their petty existences? If so, they sound like fucking parasites that should ahve been drowned in a bucket at birth. I'm not going to be happy or grateful someone else had to be TRULY dehumanized for my existence- THAT is sick. THAT is Hitler. No, I don't believe in the judeo-xtain filthgod- though I do have a faith. I'm angry at you, and what you say, b/c it is offensive. -c
-c Are you now going to tell me I'm sad and angry b/c I don't subscribe to your magfazine? Sorry, outside of the women's-slavery debate, I'm quite the loving, happy person. You should see me at parties or with my clients- you;d be shocked. Do not even begin to presume about me, stranger. You want to talk to me, tell me what to do and not to do, and how and why, you'd better expect a response- and not a positive one. I know how my friend felt, b/c she told me personally, as well as her -c
-c other friends. They would NOT accept her assertions that she did not regret it, and that her life was better b/c of it. She went in simply out of curiosity, and left w/ scars THEY gave her. I should know- people like you love to pick apart women like her and me, so you can make them agree w/ you- it's called brainwashing. Oh no, you don't REALLY feel happy, you're just TELLING yourself you do.. don't you feel like a murderer, deep down inside?
@ryddelwearsahat No, they are very grateful that a woman who suffered rape did not add to her own suffering by aborting the baby. Counselors have said that women who go on to have the baby after rape recover much better than those who abort. They are grateful for life, not that their mothers were the victims of such a terrible crime. I speak only the truth about abortion and love and sex. I don't know why you find me offensive. I wish you only peace and love. God loves you.
@Tolyasooo Sorry, but those opinions are not universal. I'm proof of that. You don't wish me peace, you wish me shame, guilt, depression, and for me to beg your deity for forgiveness on bended knee like a whipped coward-slave. I am better than all of that- and so is every other woman out there. Self-depreciation, guilt, fear, and shame and self-loathing are not healthy.. didn't you know? Your deity is irrelevant in this- please leave it out of this conversation. My mother is proof you are wrong.
-c i am proof you are wrong. Many, many women out there are living proof you are wrong- do you deny them their rights to their own opinions, thoughts, feelings, and experiences? Will you be so callous as to pretend we do not exist? Or will you call us all stupid, lairs, brainwashed, accuse us all of being in denial? How low will you go to protect a petty political spiel?
@ryddelwearsahat oops missed this message. Maybe some women do have abortions and never give it a second thought. Personally, I only know of women who have problems . Prob the ones who have had abortions with no regrets, never tell anybody. The fact that there are so many women who are having post abortive problems, necessitates the existence of helping bodies such as Rachel's vineyard etc. We have to offer these women help too Planned parenthood certainly does not.
@Tolyasooo Actually, shows how little you know- Planned Parenthood offers a WIDE range of care- from pregnancy counseling, to adoption counseling as well as rape counseling... and abortion counseling. They can also help you arrange counseling and medical care w/ other associations and clinics, not just 'abortion' help. I should know- I prefer Planned Parenthood provide me all of my feminine health care. My husband has also volunteered as a human shield/escort for clients there once. Very few -c
-c women ACTUALLY suffer from having abortions, if numbers are anything t go by- and very few studies funded for post-abortive mental assessments focus on the woman's mental conditions before the pregnancy, or any other factors that make her possible depression after her abortion possible- it is a very narrow and biased road, usually drawn out by someone looking simply to demonize abortion. I don't deny that women can be hurt by abortion- people can be hurt by ANYTHING- and it is their -c
-c individual choice, and their right as fucking PEOPLE to make both good and bad choices- and as people are not cookie-cutter clones of one another, the end results are NOT always going to be the same. What hurts one person may make another person feel good, what makes one person laugh may make another person cry. My mother regretted having me to the point of suicide. Abortion would have prevented this- having me went beyond rape- there was no word for what was done to her, just to make a -c
-c very vicious, shallow point of domination and cruelty. She was raped as 'punishment' for getting injured in a drunk-driving accident brought about BY her husband, and the resulting pregnancy and then FORCED parenthood, was a continuation and a petrification of that same 'punishment'. I know it is not my fault, really- it is my father's.. but the fact of the matter is- removing me from existence before I ever even HAD existed- would have saved an already-troubled, innocent woman's LIFE, -c
-c and likely would ahve saved her REAL SOUL, which was broken in an unforgiveable way. With or without your petty god, do you have any idea what is must be like for a woman to be raped, to begin w/? Let alone have the end result- what is supposed to ONLY happen when she is ready, willing, healthy, and HAPPY, SAFE, be forced on her as a punishment, as a constant reminder of everything she'd ever done wrong, and even 'crimes' she never committed in the first place? I loved my mother to no end, -c
-c and never ONCE resented her for wanting me gone. I grew up raised by the man who did it all to her- and had my own 'punishments' in the form of random batteries. I can understand perfectly. Abortion kills the woman? I'll agree to that- if you can agree that forced pregnancy and parenthood can kill her as well- b/c it did. The body died later when it self-terminated. Disagree, and you're a hypocrite- and my father. You can try the road the other snakes in your flock have tried on me before- -c
-c that she was 'responsible' for how she felt, and could have left, ect, chosen to look at things a different way, ect- but you know what? All those pathetic little post-abortive women who weep at the drop of a hat could do the same damn thing- oh wait, that's callous and insensitive, isn't it? Yeah, callousness and accusations are only allowed from your side of the yard, not mine or hers. No, she never recovered- from the rape, from the force of having me, from any of it. Obviously. That -c
-c sort of shit often happens when you deny a person their basic human rights and independences. No, I only have one child right now- but I plan to have more. I want to give my second husband a child of his own. I have no siblings, and noone ever offered her help. Apparently very few people in tiny, religious, southern towns give much of a shit if some wonderful, perfect xtain man beats his wife or kid. Even when he goes to jail for it, it really is amazing how cold, blind they become. Nice huh?
@ryddelwearsahat You want to know why I'm so vicious and sharp about this? B/c my entire life, up until the age of 17, when he went to prison, was a living hell that neither human nor god could or WOULD touch or fix or aid. I had to fix and do everything myself, alone. Yeah, I got my head above water- actually, I'm pretty much a goddess in my own right w/ my education, child, money, and the two most amazing men in the UNIVERSE one either side.. but the price of it was a fucking soul, hitler. -c
-c Every pro'life'r, from where I stand, should be hung upside down and cut and bled out like cattle for the slaughter, for their blindness and hypocrisy towards women and children. So long as the body breathes, all is fine by you until you hear a sob story- then you just play a pity card, shake your head, and move on. Nobody EVER cares- except to offer shallow fuckin' PITY. You know how many of your kind tell me I won't get any of their sympathy, and that THAT is what I'm looking for if I -c
-c tell them any of this? Is that what you think I'm looking for? I hate you so much- b/c no matter how hard you'll ever try to convince me, or any woman, for that matter, that you want them to be healthy or happy, or w/e.. or anyone like you, really.. your actions and blindness blot out what little light you have to offer us pathetic 'victims' in our 'dark' little worlds. People like me need your help as badly as we need the plague.
@ryddelwearsahat That is terrible, wouldn't have happened in my town. I'm so sorry you had to live like that. I imagine, that you have become a very strong person because of all the pain you have been through in life and I can understand your very strong feelings for what you honestly believe in. Do you ever ask the god that you believe in for help to forgive ? What was your Mother's name, just her first name. You don't have to answer if that is too personal
@Tolyasooo I don't want to forgive anyone for anything- I don't need to forgive, or to forget. Forgiveness is not necessary. No, her name will not be given any more than mine will. Yes, I have become a strong person- and brave, and shamelessly open and honest, to the point of cruelty. You have to be, to survive in this world w/o getting pushed around and turned into a hand-puppet.
@ryddelwearsahat It is incredible that you were able to love your mother so much even though you believed that she did not want you. Did she say that she didn't want you? Surely she must have come to love you too, despite the circumstances under which you came into being. I am really sorry that your poor mother had to go through something like that , and that you suffered at the hands of that brute too.
@Tolyasooo Yeah, she loved me. She also said she wished she'd never had me. To my face, plenty of times, and in her suicide note. I don't want your apologies- I want you, and your kind, to disappear off the face of the earth and take your false 'well-wishing' with you. She was handicapped b/c of his drunk-driving. The rape, among other things, was a punishment for her not getting better, for one, and for ending up hurt as a result of HIS drunken failings. She never wanted counseling, or -c
-c needed it. She simply went to Rachel's Vineyard on the constant suggesting/nagging of a friend. I am not blind to the suffering of others, but really, lave it at that- they made their choice, and they deal w/ the consequences. Do not punish, drag down, torture, and deface everyone b/c a few people complain. Do not destroy everyone's opportunities or threaten, or label, or put their futures and rights at risk b/c someone else was hurt. Aboriton, like anything else in the human realm, is a -c
-c two-way street- it can help or it can hurt. It depends on the person. Using emotionally-charged arguments and trying to PLANT memories and feelings of guilt, and emotionally abusing, and essentially brainwashing innocent people into suffering just so you can sit back and say, 'see? it hurts them!' is not honesty. Illegalizing abortion won't change a thing, and will only TAKE AWAY lives, not save them. At best, you'll only make it so the rich, like me, can afford safe, private abortions.
@ryddelwearsahat perhaps she had been so so changed by the accident that she did not know what she was saying sometimes. I don't know the extent of her injuries mental or physical but am guessing that she was left in some way changed by the accident and then to find out she was pregnant on top of that was not a cause for joy for her. When we are deeply hurt we can all say things we don't really mean, our emotions come out sideways.
@Tolyasooo ....OH, I was WAITING for this comment. No, she was sharp as a tack, ma'am. It was only her spine and legs that were damaged- not her head. =) No, she got raped after the accident, pregnant as well. Sorry, but.. just let it go, coward- you were NOT there, I was, I grew up in that shit, you didn't.. and you are truly pathetic, grasping out for a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, you're still RIGHT OMG
Stop talking to me. The false niceties mixed in w/ your probing.. ugh. Snake.
@ryddelwearsahat Well I really did not know how she was affected by the accident. She really did suffer because of the accident and the rape though, no doubt. right about what?
@ryddelwearsahat Oh I am not arguing, I merely state the fact that Abortion is bad and hurts women The evidence is available every day to prove that . Listen to the descriptions of the abortionists " stuck scissors in back of skull " "removed leg" "crushed skull" I am not making this up. You would like to believe that every abortion occurs when the baby is minutely small and in early development but that is simply not true. You can google pictures of garbage cans filled with the remains . Sad.
@Tolyasooo It hurts some women, certainly not all women. You do know you are describing late-term aobrtions.. the rarest and, for the most part, illegal abortion, right? 99% of all abortions occur in the first trimester- when you eat a pill or two and pass out a wad of jelly the size of a friggin' pea or smaller. Yeah, I admit LTAs happen, but most of them are for serious reasons. Doing the numbers, yeah, a lot of them happen, but they are still a rarity considering ALL #s and circumstances.
@ryddelwearsahat do you mean she was raped by her husband as a punishment? and in what way was that a reminder of everything she had done wrong.? I can't follow.
@ryddelwearsahat Why didn't your friend use planned parenthood for counseling then? The press on that organization is horrific of late. Many women are suffering because of their abortions. Just look at the numbers in the Silent No More campaign. You may be fine, but many are not.
@ryddelwearsahat Yes I do wish you peace and no I do not wish you to feel shame or guilt or depression. God does not wish those for anyone either. However many post abortive women do feel all of these things, and they do need help to let go of those feelings and to experience fullness again. Did your mother not recover from the rape, did she not go on to have more children etc? Did nobody offer her help ? Do you have more than 1 child yourself?
Wow. It's sad to see how most of you are full of yourselves. Just thinking about you, you, and you. I agree with Mother Theresa, a mother and child are both killed during abortion, and I don't see any pro abortion people helping women to overcome their depression after this horrible experience. God Bless Mother Theresa :)
She is a true saint in a dark world,if you were hungry,she would pick youup.How many so called catholics I know live up to what she is,a true follower of christ
@laminator100 I am so sorry for you in your hatred and darkness. What a horrible reality to live in (faithful or not). Please consider a different path of respect and kindness, it truly does make for a better life.
What a horrible, miserable person. Not only did Mother Teresa bask in the suffering of dying children, but she was responsible for many of their deaths, which could have been prevented if this poor excuse of a woman hadn't been a true representative of the repulsive teachings of the Catholic Church. As it turns out, the old bag conned her own church as well as all others, because she secretly was an Atheist, which makes her a hypocrite as well. Proves the claim that religion poisons everything!
about the reaction of laminator100: ...this is what happens when someone talks from ratio instead of the heart.... ratio cannot understand the motives of the heart....
@PADDYDONG2010 Poor you. Did you grow up with no one teaching you how to use proper capitalization and punctuation to make your point? I had to read your mishmash of words 7 times to make any sense out of it. And I thought Catholic schools taught better than this. Proves my point. The pathetic nuns of an evil church school fail miserably, and your post is the proof.
And to answer the question I think you tried to get across: No.
And I'm sure your priest "loved" you (only as a child).
@religious2008 all i know or remember is it was on may 7th. not sure which year. it was at the national prayer breakfast in Wash DC and it was at the national press club on C span. Bill and Hillary were sitting in the front row and they didnt expect mother to go off. bad mistake.... the whole room stood and applauded and bill and hillary just sat there sipping water.......... mother teresa dont play
Mother Teresa spoke from Love. Without Love, a person cannot understand her words. Those of you who do not agree with Blessed Mother Teresa's words are free to stop watching, just as those of us who agree are free to watch. The decisions made are of free will, but please be polite, and keep rude comments to yourself, or share with friends who agree with you. Let your hatred go elsewhere.
Wow...You're quite ignorant. Maybe you shouldn't bother commenting on videos if you're going to be this narrow-minded. Really, you're embarrassing. Lol. I'm not even going to give you the liberty of an argument against your pathetic little comment...
Yeah, brilliant cover up :L And "trying to get a rise out of people"? That really doesn't make anything better. The internet's not getting me mad, it's thoughtless morons like you.
Because , the baby comes due to the love of two human being principaly . if u don't accept the love who come from urself .. who will you accept the love who comes from others ???
Rayosun, I already read some of your pages in your site. But actually, I read most of it here, in this page. It's actually more like a summary, and I learned many things from you.
I didn't bring up the Concordat, but since YOU did wasn't Art. 16 great? It required all the Catholic hierarchy to swear "Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear as becomes a bishop, . . . and promise to honor the legally constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it."
""Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Under intense pressure from Hitler, including terrorizing members of the Catholic Center Party, Pacelli agrees to negotiate a legal agreement between Germany and the Holy See. The agreement, called a concordat, is a clever propaganda stunt by Hitler. Simply by asking the Church to negotiate, Hitler makes himself look good."
"Back in Rome, Pacelli tells the British ambassador: "I had to choose between an agreement and the virtual elimination of the Catholic Church in the Reich." He says a pistol had been held to his head, and that he felt he was negotiating "with the devil himself.""
What the poor helpless pope & bishops were helpless to do, the housewives showed could be done. In Berlin in Feb. 1943, when 6000 Jewish men were being deported to the death camps, their Christian wives screamed and cried in the streets until the Gestapo relented and returned their husbands!
Even the bishops had similar success, but they claimed total helplessness when it came to saving the non-Catholic JEWS from persecution and death !!!!
If a cleric proclaimed his intent to set the world straight about S E X , and couldn't even bring himself to utter the word "sex" and any other word relating to sex, the whole world would laugh.
Yet apologists for the papacy claim that these encyclicals were "clear condemnations" of the Nazis' persecution of the Jews, when they assiduously avoided using the words Nazi or Jew, etc. so as not to arouse the anger of the Nazis beyond mild annoyance. Just Google "RCscandal" & read,
Sorry but in the 20th of October 1939, Pius XII issues his first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, concerned with the oneness of human beings. In paragraph 48, dealing with the Church's openness to all, it describes St. Paul's vision of "the new man who is renewed unto knowledge, according to the image of Him that created him. Where there is neither GENTILE OR JEW." The Nazis were FURIOUS because of this.
"In 1937, Cardinal Pacelli drafts the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, issued in March by Pope Pius XI. It condemns Nazi racism and worship of the state in the Church's most authoritative form of teaching. It infuriates the Nazis, who respond with more persecution of Catholics."
It's downright SILLY for you Catholic apologists can claim your pope & bishops were so heroic, and caused the Nazis to be "FURIOUS", yadda, yadda, yadda. While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated them enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON them??????
And it is downright STUPID for you so-called "christian" (if you are one) for you to say that.
Now I ask you: Did your pastors, leaders, to "infuriated them (nazis) enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON them?..." and with all your nonsense.
But YOU are the one who owes us proof for your claim that your pope & bishops were so heroic, and caused the Nazis to be "FURIOUS", yadda, yadda, yadda.
While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated the Nazis enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON Catholic clergy for defending the Jews??????
Since YOU don't seem to know any, I'll help you with at least ONE, Provost Lichtenberg of Berlin.
I can't give you all thousands and thousands of names of all the priests, bishops, and even the lays who risked their lives and were killed not just for Catholics but also for the Jews. Out of the thousands (like Provost Lichtenberg), there is a person you have disregarded: Pope Pius XII who secretly called the churches of the other parts of Europe to give shelter and save the Jews.
My challenge to you was "While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated the Nazis enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON Catholic clergy for defending the Jews?"
I know that you can't provide " thousands and thousands of names of all the priests, bishops ... who risked their lives and were killed ... for the Jews." So how about providing the name of just ONE bishop who was imprisoned and/or killed for attempting to save JEWS?
Oz, you say "there is a person you have disregarded: Pope Pius XII who secretly called the churches of the other parts of Europe to give shelter and save the Jews."
The trouble with "secretly" is that nobody KNOWS ABOUT IT!
The Jewish guardians of Yad Vashem have honored 22,000 "Righteous Gentiles" who made heroic efforts to help the Jews, and they haven't been persuaded that the best known "gentile" of the period who could have done the most to help them earned that special recognition.
Rayosun, you said "the trouble with "secretly" is that nobody KNOWS ABOUT IT!"
So, if I tell you a secret, would you know my secret? DUH!! It's just plain math, silly. The people who knew the plan were the parish priests, bishops, the clergies, and the lay of the churches called and also the people who worked for the pope.
New York Times of March 14, under the headline: "Pope Is Emphatic About Just Peace: Jews' Rights Defended."
The HISTORIAN Susan Zuccotti found that the priests and others who tried to save Jews were certainly heroic, but there is no evidence of the Pope's guiding hand. Based on extensive, painstaking research into one locale after another, she found that the assertions of Jews and Catholics that Pius XII was behind rescue efforts in Italy; are nothing but hearsay, without foundation, and are contradicted by credible evidence. (Under His Very Windows : The Vatican and the Holocaust in Italy").
The question is, what foundation can she give to support her point of view?
Pope Pius XII orders publication of a large volume (565 pages). The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich, in London (by Burns and Oates). It is a translation from the German of eye-witness accounts of the merciless Nazi program to crush the Church. It contains pastoral letters by many German bishops, and also reveals close cooperation between Catholics and Jews.
"The question is, what foundation can she give to support her point of view?"
What are you asking? That I publish her book in this 500 character block?
If you were really INTERESTED, you would READ HER BOOKS and find out for yourself. But you're not interested in what the historical record says unless it portrays your church in a favorable light - and THAT is NOT history!
You don't have to do that. But if you could, thanks.
Rayosun, "But you're not interested in what the historical record says unless it portrays your church in a favorable light - and THAT is NOT history." That's what you think.
And can you at least tell me some important notes points and informations of the book? It's like giving the table of contents.
I thought you said that the Catholic Church, as a whole, teaches anti-semitism and here you are, giving me a name of a priest (who was the inmate of St. Maximilian Kolbe- which I think you did not know that) who prayed and was arrested for the sake of the Catholics and Jews. You're not that bad after all Rayosun.
If Father Maximilian Kolbe was heroic, it was because of what he did for a fellow Catholic Pole.
Far from being "arrested for the sake of Jews", as you claim, he had been publishing a paper that contained anti-semitic articles.
Google "RCscandal" and read all of the evidence I provide at my LiberalsLikeChrist pages and STOP posting so many claims that have been proven to be WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !
Sorry, but "In A Man for Others (Marytown Press), Patricia Treece shows us from Jewish testimony that Maximilian Kolbe was among those Poles who gave aid and assistance to Jews. Of particular note is the testimony of Rosalia Kobla, who lived near the friary at Niepokalanow: "When Jews came to me asking for a piece of bread, I asked Father Maximilian if I could give it to them in good conscience, and he answered me, 'Yes, it is necessary to do this because all men are our brothers.'"
Surprise, surprise! Patricia Treece, an author who has made a career out of writing hagiographies about the holiness of Catholic "saints" made the case that Father Kolbe was a saint!
Did anybody expect her to find anything that would make him UNWORTHY of canonization?!?
Quote all the Catholic hagiographers you like.
I am impressed by HISTORIANS, like Susan Zuccotti.
OZ, you are so funny! You ask if it is "anti-semitics" to "seek the conversion of sinners, heretics, schismatics and Jews".
If you really don't see how offensive this is to JEWS, I'm sure it doesn't bother you that I am working so hard to "seek the conversion of sinners, heretics, schismatics and ROMAN CATHOLICS". Are you ready to see the light and to become a "Liberal Like Christ"???
Can I give proof in these little post boxes, in which YoutTube does not allow links? NO.
But I provide ample proof of everything I have said here and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE at my web site. And if you were honestly interested in PROOF, you would Google "RCscandal" and read for days all of the evidence I provide at my LiberalsLikeChrist pages on this subject and STOP posting so many claims that have been proven to be WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !
"Pacelli does not trust Hitler, but wants a legal basis on which to protest. Without a concordat there will be no legal grounds to appeal Nazi encroachments on the Church's freedom. The concordat defines Church rights within the greater rights of the State. Despite misgivings the concordat seems wise at the time. Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich comments: "With the concordat we are hanged, without the concordat we are hanged, drawn and quartered."
Why don't Catholics ever ask why their church never excommunicated any of the German Catholics who directed the Jewish Holocaust, i.e. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Goebbels, Reinhard Heydrich, Rudolf Hoess, Julius Streicher, Fritz Thyssen, Klaus Barbie, or Franz Von Papen, all well-known Roman Catholics, as were all of these heads of other Nazi states: Degrelle of Belgium, Pavelic of Croatia. Laval & Petain of Vichy-France, Fr. Josef Tiso of Slovakia? Google "NaziLeadership" for MORE!
Why don't people who hate the Church stop perpetuating the lie that it was the Catholic Church who was responsible for the Holocaust? Hitler may have been raised Catholic, but he certainly wasn't in good standing during WWII. Neither were any of the Nazi leaders--Pius XI condemned Naziism. Hitler called Pius XII the "Jew loving Pope" and killed many Catholics in concentration camps. Of course we know what great guys atheist leaders are. . Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot.
If you want to see who is really lying about the Catholic Church's connection with the Nazi Holocaust then Google "rcscandal" and you'll find not just claims or insults, but a ton of documentation, and Google "hitlersfaith" and you'll see just how Catholic Adolf Hitler was - something the Catholic Church could have remedied by EXCOMMUNICATING him, but NEVER DID!
The purpose of excommunication is not to tell God, or the person involved that they don't belong.
It is to warn THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH not to associate with this person as they are extremely dangerous. The idea is the same as a quarantine issued by authorities to protect the public from a serious threat to the public health. A third of Nazi Germany was Catholic, and Catholics accounted for roughly 1/3rd of the Nazis.
God Bless this woman for being a stand for the compassion and love that God can offer.
jv9583 2 months ago
House of Horrors Gosnell 5 people have pleaded guilty to murder now. Mother Theresa pray for us.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
What's horrible and truly miserable is that life is wasted on people like laminator, and ryddelwearsahat, when the only arguments they can posit are filled with such venomous vitriol and hate against a woman who had done more in her life than could ever do in many lifetimes. If this is what they sound like on the outside, what must they look like on the inside? And ryddel, the more you foam and scream in your outlandish comments, the more your screwed up, self-punishing denial becomes apparent.
maltaknight69 3 months ago
@maltaknight69 The more you insult me and play god and try to force your ill-wishing on me, the more you prove me right. Why can't you just accept that your opinion is not universally shareD?
If I made a vidio spekaing FOR you, claiming you were hateful or evil or dead inside, and so was everyone like you, would it not offend you? Especially if people tried to make laws that affected you personally and put you at risk? Thought-nazi.. mind your own business.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
wow you all are outrageous, yes she questioned her faith, who hasn't questioned something they believe in? be she is allowed to have her point of view as are all of you. you don't have to be disrespectful because she expressed her thoughts. it doesn't matter what i think about the subject, just that everyone is entitled to their opinion with out being belittled.
dayna139 4 months ago
Pro-choice, post-abortive and healthy, happy, proud. Also happily married, and a loving, devoted mother. People like mtoher teresa are worthless liars, hypocrites, and manipulators. They do NOT know what people really think or feel or experience, and they pretend that you can 'only' feel this way/what way, under the circumstances they see fit.. Sorry, bitch- but you certainly don't speak for me or the mass majority of post-abortive women who are healthy, happy, and ALIVE inside AND out! Nazi.
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago 16
@ryddelwearsahat The very fact that you came here and posted, means there is something wrong in your life. Mother Theresa was beautiful inside and out. God love shines through her and you feel it. God Bless and may you find peace.
ThePapist 5 months ago
@ThePapist So, the fact that I spoke out against being LIED ABOUT by a complete stranger who never even met or or knew I existed, yet chose to generalize about me and every other woman on the planet who is post-abortive or pro-choice, means I have a life crises..? Sorry, I speak out against intolerance, prejudice, and lies b/c it's the right thing to do. Please don't lie or assume or project about strangers, you're really off the mark. I feel nothing but evil from your religion, no thank you.
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago 17
@ryddelwearsahat Most women who have had an abortion do suffer terribly afterwards, that is just a fact. I speak out against abortion because it is the right thing to do. The Catholic Church is THE Church founded by Christ and "the gates of hell shall not prevail against her" Mother Theresa is a Saint. Abortion is going to be made illegal in this Country just as killing outside the womb is illegal. Think of all those little babies who suffered look at a video of an abortion and see for yourself
Tolyasooo 5 months ago
@Tolyasooo Well, sorry, but i beg to differ. An if you illegalize abortion, you'll be paving the way to red china, in america- you wait and see.. and then you'll wonder why it happened..
There is no 'baby' present in an abortion unless it is a very late-term abortion, which, so you know, i don't support. Have you ever been pregnant, and/or studied fetal development? What about neurology..? Do you know anything about how our bodies develop en utero..? Do you think we're perfectly miniature -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c versions of brand-new born babies from conception onward..? We aren't.. did you know we actually ALL start out as genetically female..? We do. I've seen abortion videos and pictures- and don't care b/c a body.. is just a body. Human meat is worthless by itself and when you go so far as to LIE about it, and pretend about it just so you can try to care for it, it makes you shallow, reprehensible. I didn't have to lie about my son to love or want or appreciate him.. & YOU claim to be pro'life'?
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c Lastly, religion has no bearing in this conversation b/c I'm not of your faith, and america is a free country, not the middle east. Illegalize abortion, and pave the way for an americanized red-china, and also pave the way for countless illegal abortions and teen suicides, and child trafficking laws, as well as an economic plunge deeper than we've ever seen, thanks to our current worthless government. You'll make a mess ten thousand times worse.. you know? 'road to hell, good intentions'..?
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat exhibition? The little baby is so perfectly formed. He has a head and hands and legs clearly. I am not making this up. You can see for yourself. A body is not worthless, you know that. A body is beautiful and so intricately designed, it is amazing. When, in your opinion is it acceptable to perform an abortion.... the latest week of pregnancy?
Tolyasooo 5 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Please explain what you mean by 1st comment. I think the chinese 1 child policy is barbaric. If I plant an onion seed it will grow to be an onion. If I plant carrots they will produce more carrots. If I dig up the plant after a few weeks it will not be edible yet, but will clearly be a small onion or small carrot, It is ALIVE and by uprooting it, I will kill it .... right? The baby's heart is beating, he is growing he is ALIVE, abortion stops his life. Have you see bodies exhib
Tolyasooo 5 months ago
@Tolyasooo I never said a fetus, zygote, or embryo was not alive, or not human- so do not put words in my mouth and then try to argue against a point I never even made, liar. Who cares if abortion stops a life? Living tissue does not a person make. You know what qualifies as a person, as sentient life? The ability to think, feel, process, and develop mentally. A fetus has no memories, thought,s or opinions- it is a blank CD, an empty human shell- b/c it ha snot been born yet and is not -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c even CAPABLE of being conscious, and thus beginning it's journey along the road of becoming a person, b/c of neurochemicals released while en utero that keep it unconscious. Why do you pro'life'rs always fall short when it comes to knowing /everything/ about the developing body? Why do you only care about certain medical facts you can use and play up as a purely emotional, or spiritual argument? Why the deception, the denial, rejection, the FEAR of facts like this? Why is your own -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c natural, physical development so poor in your opinion that you eithe rhave to deny certain parts of it, or lie about them, cover them up, or twist them around? I don't deny a single fucking thing, and face the entire argument head on, even if some of the questions OR ANSWERS are less than pretty.. Why do you 'good guys' fear honesty so much? Or are you really that uneducated?
Do you know what we look like at 3 wks development? Ever use google? An embryo or zygote is not a born baby, fool. -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c 99% of all aobrtions occur in the FIRST trimester, when the EMBRYO(not fetus) is not even the size of a friggin' lemon. Half the time, even then, it's not even the size of a walnut, and it has FLIPPERS, not even hands. AGAIN, why the deception- why do you pretend all abortions occur in the very late months, when the fetus LOOKS enough like a born baby for you to care about it? Why not show signs of 1st-trimester abortions- why not exhibit tiny globs of red jelly w/ tails, you know, when -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c when we look like tadpoles? Why do you manipulate the truth and only use the parts of the argument you scrap together that look photogenic? Show me some respect, and genuine honesty if you want to talk to me. Don't try to pretend that a friggin zygote of embryo is the same as a 3rd-trimester fetus.. or like every single abortion occurs in the last few weeks of pregnancy- for your worthless information, I don't support LTAs.
And, you are shallow- you worship image- idolatry is evil. -c
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
-c W/ the way you care so much about the simply BODY ONLY, as if the soul, or lack thereof, has no merit- you remind of the cheezy people that prefer beauty over brains- britney spears over albert einstein- b/c apparently it is only the body that counts.. You want to make a difference in this world, perfect cheerleadeR? Become a nurse- care for the elderly and handicapped like me- the people that YOUR kind pretend don't exist or belong in 'normal' society b/c of the way they look or walk..
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat At what week of development do you think abortion should not be permitted?
Tolyasooo 5 months ago
@Tolyasooo I personally stand around 5 mos. when the brain is developed enough to process/interpret/respond to stimuli- pain. But if it comes to actual physical health of the mother, or if the fetus is severely disfigured or deformed- like if it has fetal alcohol syndrome, or anencephaly(horrible, horrible things, especially FAS- why would ANY woman who wants a child drink while pregnant?) I support late-term abortions.
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Pain stimuli is functioning earlier than 5 mos. Why abort because of disfigurement, aren't you against "the body beautiful" mentality.? I know many severely handicapped children and they are beautiful and happy to be alive and cheery to be around. They are greatly loved.
Tolyasooo 5 months ago
@Tolyasooo When I said 'disfigured' I mean, like it's missing half of the skull and limbs, ect- to the point of it being ONLY a half-formed body.. Like I said- look up anencaphaly, and tell me that is a person.. it's not. It's a fucking bag of failure to launch, and is a disgrace to humanity to claim that is life of any quality.. There is a difference between being handicapped, and being a fucking vegetable that can't even twitch.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Anencephaly is indeed very sad, but only 1 in 200,000 children is born with that and die soon after birth. Usually the pregnancy is miscarried or baby born still born. Babies being aborted are perfectly healthy in the majority. Abortion is a barbaric procedure that just has to stop. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but we have to let God be God.
Tolyasooo 4 months ago
@Tolyasooo God.. has no bearing in this, hate to break it to you, but not everyone is religious, nor should they be. Keep your muslim-like faith-drug-pushing out of my nose, plz. If I want to buy it, I will. Like I said before- I rarely support late-term abortions, so arguing over this or the rarity does nothing b/c we are namely in agreement when it comes, at least, to the drama in LTAs. As for first-trimester abortions- which are the majority- there is no 'baby' just an embryo that is -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c probably not even the size of a walnut. Babies are born- we celebrate birthdays for a reason. You think it is barbaric.. I don't other people agree w/ you, other people agree w/ me. It doesn't matter- how someone does or does not reproduce is now your or my jurisdiction- it is theirs, b/c it is their body, their life.. Don't insult me by apologizing to my for my own opinions. It does not 'have to stop'. It can go on forever for all I care, as long as the women HAVING abortions choose it, -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c and are not forced, or guilted, or manipulated into it. Same as to whether or not they keep an unplanned pregnancy, or choose adoption- it is up to them, not you, me, or some nonexistant deity. Very few women actually regret their abortions, and I'm one of the mass majority who don't- I'm GLAD of my choice. Insulting me or trying to speak for me, as to why, or lying to/about me.. nothing will change that. I'm not evil, a monster, selfish, lazy.. and it's none of your business. So MYOB.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat oh abortion will definitely stop. America has been awakening to the facts for a long time and the tide is about to change. The blood of so many innocents is crying out to heaven, and justice is about to come about. God the author of Life will not be mocked, and His existence does not depend on your believing in Him. You are so guilt ridden and hate filled you will not allow yourself to see. I'll pray for you. Please don't reply and you will use only vitriol
ThePapist 4 months ago
@ThePapist At best/worst, you will illegalize it.. leaving it only available to rich)like me) who can afford it privately. ...just like in the old days before it was legalized. God is not real, and I do mock it- b/c it is pure hate and hypocrisy. Please, do not presume to tell me how I feel.. I don't have guilt, and I have very little hate in my heart.. All is full of love, actually.. I'll respond as I see fit, and do not insult me by praying for me- how distasteful.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat A baby's heart is beating at 21 days gestation. Abortion stops that heart from beating. A mother has no right to stop that heart from beating. The woman had her "Choice" when she had relations with the man. The vast number of women suffering as a result of abortion is staggering. The mental anguish, as well as the physical toll has been well documented. It has to stop. Abortion hurts women.
Tolyasooo 4 months ago
@Tolyasooo A heart can think, feel, and retain memories? And it beating means the body it is inside of is not inside of an actual thinking, feeling, separate person's body, irremovable? Sorry, consent to sex is not consent to reproduction.. Pro-choice, post-abortive, and unhurt by abortion. In fact, I am healthy, happy, alive, married, and a MOTHER thanks in big part, to an abortion which allowed me to do all of this, and more. Are you going to lie and accuse me of lying, or being secretly sad?
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat I am glad that you were able to still have children and are happy and healthy. Many post abortive women do not feel the same way. Rachel's vineyard counsels thousands. The baby in the uterus is a separate being. He has his own beating heart, he has legs, arms etc. He can say "THIS is MY body" just like his mother can say "THIS is my body". Sex is a total giving of oneself to another person. It is a beautiful act of love and can result in conception. Contraception says "no"
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Actually, it cannot even THINK anything, b/c it has no conciousness to speak of, let alone worldly knowledge or understanding or experience to base possessive ideaology from. You just lied, big-time.. what, you think from conception onward we are fully-formed babies, just like, microscopic, all ready and waiting to get born and become doctors and lawyers, who love our mommies and dream of stars and shit? We already know how to read, write, think, ect? ...are you 5 years old? continued
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c Sex is whatever you want it to be- it is not your business how, why, when other people have sex. I make love to my husband for pleasure, not to breed like a goat. Birth Control exists for a reason- as does adoption and abortion. Do NOT presume to tell me WHY I have sex and for what purposes, or decide my emotional standing for me, tell me who i do or do not love and why- you are not god, you cannot judge(that is a sin, rattlesnake) and you don't know me. I aborted b/c my birth control failed.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c Lastly, rachel vineyard should be disbanded completely- a friend of mine had an abortion, was perfectly fine, and was talked into going- and they brainwashed her into a nervous wreck. They TOLD her how to feel, what to feel, and why- and would not listen or LET her be healthy or happy- they WANTED her to be damaged, they wanted TO break her, so they could 'fix' her the way they wanted to- for their little forced-birth nazi agenda. She had to go into a mental hospital and get REAL counseling.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat well, now you are presuming to know how your friend felt. Nobody at Rachels vineyard want s to harm anybody. They are there to help and do not force anyone to attend who does not approach them first. Your friend must have spoken with someone.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
Well yes of course the baby can't express himself yet, but if he could that is what he would say. I was just taking a little imaginative liberty like you did when you said " a heart can think, feel and retain memories" of course a heart can't do any of those things, those are the function of the brain, and soul. Life begins at conception. Contraception is just the slippery slope to abortion. Contraception cheapens the value of women and additionally men.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Coming from a rape-product, whose mother WANTED to abort her, and was FORCED not to, I'd RATHER have been aborted, despite my nice life. How does contraception cheapen my value? Is that a fact, or is that some religious opinion brainwashed into you to make you believe breeding like a goat and submitting to men like a pay-for-play whorewifeslave is okay? I find what you say offensive and degrading to people- you think them stupid, without will, without their own needs and desires.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Sorry that you feel you'd rather be dead. There are 2 well know speakers who were both conceived through rape, and are wonderful dynamic women, who are in the counseling field. I am glad they are alive. Dr. Janet Smith gives a talk on how contraception cheapens women. It made perfect sense to me, you might disagree. You sound very angry about a lot of things. Do you believe in God?
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Do they sit there and smile and thank god that someone had to get beaten, raped, and forced into slavery for their petty existences? If so, they sound like fucking parasites that should ahve been drowned in a bucket at birth. I'm not going to be happy or grateful someone else had to be TRULY dehumanized for my existence- THAT is sick. THAT is Hitler. No, I don't believe in the judeo-xtain filthgod- though I do have a faith. I'm angry at you, and what you say, b/c it is offensive. -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c Are you now going to tell me I'm sad and angry b/c I don't subscribe to your magfazine? Sorry, outside of the women's-slavery debate, I'm quite the loving, happy person. You should see me at parties or with my clients- you;d be shocked. Do not even begin to presume about me, stranger. You want to talk to me, tell me what to do and not to do, and how and why, you'd better expect a response- and not a positive one. I know how my friend felt, b/c she told me personally, as well as her -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c other friends. They would NOT accept her assertions that she did not regret it, and that her life was better b/c of it. She went in simply out of curiosity, and left w/ scars THEY gave her. I should know- people like you love to pick apart women like her and me, so you can make them agree w/ you- it's called brainwashing. Oh no, you don't REALLY feel happy, you're just TELLING yourself you do.. don't you feel like a murderer, deep down inside?
...if your deity is real, go burn in hell, wolf.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat No, they are very grateful that a woman who suffered rape did not add to her own suffering by aborting the baby. Counselors have said that women who go on to have the baby after rape recover much better than those who abort. They are grateful for life, not that their mothers were the victims of such a terrible crime. I speak only the truth about abortion and love and sex. I don't know why you find me offensive. I wish you only peace and love. God loves you.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Sorry, but those opinions are not universal. I'm proof of that. You don't wish me peace, you wish me shame, guilt, depression, and for me to beg your deity for forgiveness on bended knee like a whipped coward-slave. I am better than all of that- and so is every other woman out there. Self-depreciation, guilt, fear, and shame and self-loathing are not healthy.. didn't you know? Your deity is irrelevant in this- please leave it out of this conversation. My mother is proof you are wrong.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c i am proof you are wrong. Many, many women out there are living proof you are wrong- do you deny them their rights to their own opinions, thoughts, feelings, and experiences? Will you be so callous as to pretend we do not exist? Or will you call us all stupid, lairs, brainwashed, accuse us all of being in denial? How low will you go to protect a petty political spiel?
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat oops missed this message. Maybe some women do have abortions and never give it a second thought. Personally, I only know of women who have problems . Prob the ones who have had abortions with no regrets, never tell anybody. The fact that there are so many women who are having post abortive problems, necessitates the existence of helping bodies such as Rachel's vineyard etc. We have to offer these women help too Planned parenthood certainly does not.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Actually, shows how little you know- Planned Parenthood offers a WIDE range of care- from pregnancy counseling, to adoption counseling as well as rape counseling... and abortion counseling. They can also help you arrange counseling and medical care w/ other associations and clinics, not just 'abortion' help. I should know- I prefer Planned Parenthood provide me all of my feminine health care. My husband has also volunteered as a human shield/escort for clients there once. Very few -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c women ACTUALLY suffer from having abortions, if numbers are anything t go by- and very few studies funded for post-abortive mental assessments focus on the woman's mental conditions before the pregnancy, or any other factors that make her possible depression after her abortion possible- it is a very narrow and biased road, usually drawn out by someone looking simply to demonize abortion. I don't deny that women can be hurt by abortion- people can be hurt by ANYTHING- and it is their -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c individual choice, and their right as fucking PEOPLE to make both good and bad choices- and as people are not cookie-cutter clones of one another, the end results are NOT always going to be the same. What hurts one person may make another person feel good, what makes one person laugh may make another person cry. My mother regretted having me to the point of suicide. Abortion would have prevented this- having me went beyond rape- there was no word for what was done to her, just to make a -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c very vicious, shallow point of domination and cruelty. She was raped as 'punishment' for getting injured in a drunk-driving accident brought about BY her husband, and the resulting pregnancy and then FORCED parenthood, was a continuation and a petrification of that same 'punishment'. I know it is not my fault, really- it is my father's.. but the fact of the matter is- removing me from existence before I ever even HAD existed- would have saved an already-troubled, innocent woman's LIFE, -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c and likely would ahve saved her REAL SOUL, which was broken in an unforgiveable way. With or without your petty god, do you have any idea what is must be like for a woman to be raped, to begin w/? Let alone have the end result- what is supposed to ONLY happen when she is ready, willing, healthy, and HAPPY, SAFE, be forced on her as a punishment, as a constant reminder of everything she'd ever done wrong, and even 'crimes' she never committed in the first place? I loved my mother to no end, -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c and never ONCE resented her for wanting me gone. I grew up raised by the man who did it all to her- and had my own 'punishments' in the form of random batteries. I can understand perfectly. Abortion kills the woman? I'll agree to that- if you can agree that forced pregnancy and parenthood can kill her as well- b/c it did. The body died later when it self-terminated. Disagree, and you're a hypocrite- and my father. You can try the road the other snakes in your flock have tried on me before- -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c that she was 'responsible' for how she felt, and could have left, ect, chosen to look at things a different way, ect- but you know what? All those pathetic little post-abortive women who weep at the drop of a hat could do the same damn thing- oh wait, that's callous and insensitive, isn't it? Yeah, callousness and accusations are only allowed from your side of the yard, not mine or hers. No, she never recovered- from the rape, from the force of having me, from any of it. Obviously. That -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c sort of shit often happens when you deny a person their basic human rights and independences. No, I only have one child right now- but I plan to have more. I want to give my second husband a child of his own. I have no siblings, and noone ever offered her help. Apparently very few people in tiny, religious, southern towns give much of a shit if some wonderful, perfect xtain man beats his wife or kid. Even when he goes to jail for it, it really is amazing how cold, blind they become. Nice huh?
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat You want to know why I'm so vicious and sharp about this? B/c my entire life, up until the age of 17, when he went to prison, was a living hell that neither human nor god could or WOULD touch or fix or aid. I had to fix and do everything myself, alone. Yeah, I got my head above water- actually, I'm pretty much a goddess in my own right w/ my education, child, money, and the two most amazing men in the UNIVERSE one either side.. but the price of it was a fucking soul, hitler. -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c Every pro'life'r, from where I stand, should be hung upside down and cut and bled out like cattle for the slaughter, for their blindness and hypocrisy towards women and children. So long as the body breathes, all is fine by you until you hear a sob story- then you just play a pity card, shake your head, and move on. Nobody EVER cares- except to offer shallow fuckin' PITY. You know how many of your kind tell me I won't get any of their sympathy, and that THAT is what I'm looking for if I -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c tell them any of this? Is that what you think I'm looking for? I hate you so much- b/c no matter how hard you'll ever try to convince me, or any woman, for that matter, that you want them to be healthy or happy, or w/e.. or anyone like you, really.. your actions and blindness blot out what little light you have to offer us pathetic 'victims' in our 'dark' little worlds. People like me need your help as badly as we need the plague.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat That is terrible, wouldn't have happened in my town. I'm so sorry you had to live like that. I imagine, that you have become a very strong person because of all the pain you have been through in life and I can understand your very strong feelings for what you honestly believe in. Do you ever ask the god that you believe in for help to forgive ? What was your Mother's name, just her first name. You don't have to answer if that is too personal
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo I don't want to forgive anyone for anything- I don't need to forgive, or to forget. Forgiveness is not necessary. No, her name will not be given any more than mine will. Yes, I have become a strong person- and brave, and shamelessly open and honest, to the point of cruelty. You have to be, to survive in this world w/o getting pushed around and turned into a hand-puppet.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat It is incredible that you were able to love your mother so much even though you believed that she did not want you. Did she say that she didn't want you? Surely she must have come to love you too, despite the circumstances under which you came into being. I am really sorry that your poor mother had to go through something like that , and that you suffered at the hands of that brute too.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Yeah, she loved me. She also said she wished she'd never had me. To my face, plenty of times, and in her suicide note. I don't want your apologies- I want you, and your kind, to disappear off the face of the earth and take your false 'well-wishing' with you. She was handicapped b/c of his drunk-driving. The rape, among other things, was a punishment for her not getting better, for one, and for ending up hurt as a result of HIS drunken failings. She never wanted counseling, or -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c needed it. She simply went to Rachel's Vineyard on the constant suggesting/nagging of a friend. I am not blind to the suffering of others, but really, lave it at that- they made their choice, and they deal w/ the consequences. Do not punish, drag down, torture, and deface everyone b/c a few people complain. Do not destroy everyone's opportunities or threaten, or label, or put their futures and rights at risk b/c someone else was hurt. Aboriton, like anything else in the human realm, is a -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c two-way street- it can help or it can hurt. It depends on the person. Using emotionally-charged arguments and trying to PLANT memories and feelings of guilt, and emotionally abusing, and essentially brainwashing innocent people into suffering just so you can sit back and say, 'see? it hurts them!' is not honesty. Illegalizing abortion won't change a thing, and will only TAKE AWAY lives, not save them. At best, you'll only make it so the rich, like me, can afford safe, private abortions.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat maybe she wished she had been better able to look after you.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo Lol that's not what her note said.. or what she said to me, over and over again.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat perhaps she had been so so changed by the accident that she did not know what she was saying sometimes. I don't know the extent of her injuries mental or physical but am guessing that she was left in some way changed by the accident and then to find out she was pregnant on top of that was not a cause for joy for her. When we are deeply hurt we can all say things we don't really mean, our emotions come out sideways.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo ....OH, I was WAITING for this comment. No, she was sharp as a tack, ma'am. It was only her spine and legs that were damaged- not her head. =) No, she got raped after the accident, pregnant as well. Sorry, but.. just let it go, coward- you were NOT there, I was, I grew up in that shit, you didn't.. and you are truly pathetic, grasping out for a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, you're still RIGHT OMG
Stop talking to me. The false niceties mixed in w/ your probing.. ugh. Snake.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Well I really did not know how she was affected by the accident. She really did suffer because of the accident and the rape though, no doubt. right about what?
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo What the argument is centered around- abortion being BAD OMG
..which it really isn't.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh I am not arguing, I merely state the fact that Abortion is bad and hurts women The evidence is available every day to prove that . Listen to the descriptions of the abortionists " stuck scissors in back of skull " "removed leg" "crushed skull" I am not making this up. You would like to believe that every abortion occurs when the baby is minutely small and in early development but that is simply not true. You can google pictures of garbage cans filled with the remains . Sad.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@Tolyasooo It hurts some women, certainly not all women. You do know you are describing late-term aobrtions.. the rarest and, for the most part, illegal abortion, right? 99% of all abortions occur in the first trimester- when you eat a pill or two and pass out a wad of jelly the size of a friggin' pea or smaller. Yeah, I admit LTAs happen, but most of them are for serious reasons. Doing the numbers, yeah, a lot of them happen, but they are still a rarity considering ALL #s and circumstances.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat do you mean she was raped by her husband as a punishment? and in what way was that a reminder of everything she had done wrong.? I can't follow.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Why didn't your friend use planned parenthood for counseling then? The press on that organization is horrific of late. Many women are suffering because of their abortions. Just look at the numbers in the Silent No More campaign. You may be fine, but many are not.
Tolyasooo 3 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes I do wish you peace and no I do not wish you to feel shame or guilt or depression. God does not wish those for anyone either. However many post abortive women do feel all of these things, and they do need help to let go of those feelings and to experience fullness again. Did your mother not recover from the rape, did she not go on to have more children etc? Did nobody offer her help ? Do you have more than 1 child yourself?
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
@PADDYDONG2010 You said:
"dont talk rubbish she was a living saint unlike you ya heathen"
I guess I'll have to add the correct capitalization and punctuation myself, since you left it out again:
"Don't talk. Rubbish, she was! A living saint, unlike(ly). You (are lo)yal, he (th)at (compre)hen(ds).
Thank you! I appreciate the compliment, and am happy that you agree with me!
laminator100 6 months ago
@laminator100 typical ass hole
PADDYDONG2010 6 months ago
Wow. It's sad to see how most of you are full of yourselves. Just thinking about you, you, and you. I agree with Mother Theresa, a mother and child are both killed during abortion, and I don't see any pro abortion people helping women to overcome their depression after this horrible experience. God Bless Mother Theresa :)
dianamferro 7 months ago 2
Thank god for abortion and sex
FoxyAngie1000 10 months ago
Thank god for abortion. Now I can decide if I want to be a mother or not. Phew.!! I love strawberry condom's.
Skaramoosh5 10 months ago
She is a true saint in a dark world,if you were hungry,she would pick youup.How many so called catholics I know live up to what she is,a true follower of christ
omahoneyd 11 months ago
@lilhayat You are the very reason WHY abortion MUST remain legal. If anyone deserves Hell, it is your mother for giving birth to YOU!
laminator100 11 months ago
@laminator100 I am so sorry for you in your hatred and darkness. What a horrible reality to live in (faithful or not). Please consider a different path of respect and kindness, it truly does make for a better life.
jmweilmuenster 10 months ago
What a horrible, miserable person. Not only did Mother Teresa bask in the suffering of dying children, but she was responsible for many of their deaths, which could have been prevented if this poor excuse of a woman hadn't been a true representative of the repulsive teachings of the Catholic Church. As it turns out, the old bag conned her own church as well as all others, because she secretly was an Atheist, which makes her a hypocrite as well. Proves the claim that religion poisons everything!
laminator100 11 months ago 12
@laminator100
What ignorant person you are calling evil good and good evil
Shut up and go away
lilhayat 11 months ago
@lilhayat
about the reaction of laminator100: ...this is what happens when someone talks from ratio instead of the heart.... ratio cannot understand the motives of the heart....
andrewzeegers 10 months ago
@laminator100 You are a complete moron. Go away. You know nothing
Loudmouf84 7 months ago
@laminator100 dont talk rubbish she was a living saint unlike you ya heathen
PADDYDONG2010 6 months ago
@laminator100 poor you did you grow up with no one loving you
PADDYDONG2010 6 months ago
@PADDYDONG2010 Poor you. Did you grow up with no one teaching you how to use proper capitalization and punctuation to make your point? I had to read your mishmash of words 7 times to make any sense out of it. And I thought Catholic schools taught better than this. Proves my point. The pathetic nuns of an evil church school fail miserably, and your post is the proof.
And to answer the question I think you tried to get across: No.
And I'm sure your priest "loved" you (only as a child).
laminator100 6 months ago
Mother Teresa told Bill Clinton, A nation that promotes abortion, deserves drive by shootings
PInk77W1 11 months ago
@PInk77W1 Can you send me documentation of this statement. I can use this.
religious2008 11 months ago
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kodachromefilm 11 months ago
@religious2008 all i know or remember is it was on may 7th. not sure which year. it was at the national prayer breakfast in Wash DC and it was at the national press club on C span. Bill and Hillary were sitting in the front row and they didnt expect mother to go off. bad mistake.... the whole room stood and applauded and bill and hillary just sat there sipping water.......... mother teresa dont play
PInk77W1 11 months ago
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heymia2 1 year ago
Mother Teresa spoke from Love. Without Love, a person cannot understand her words. Those of you who do not agree with Blessed Mother Teresa's words are free to stop watching, just as those of us who agree are free to watch. The decisions made are of free will, but please be polite, and keep rude comments to yourself, or share with friends who agree with you. Let your hatred go elsewhere.
heymia2 1 year ago
FUCK FUCK FUCK...mother teresa yeah teresa is a bitch
eenneess123 1 year ago
Hitchens best describes this representative of legal sadism....
philster61 1 year ago
i dont give a FUCK what she says, you are a crazy asshole if you think abortion should be illegal. Jesus christ open your eyes.
guruu13 1 year ago
@guruu13
Wow...You're quite ignorant. Maybe you shouldn't bother commenting on videos if you're going to be this narrow-minded. Really, you're embarrassing. Lol. I'm not even going to give you the liberty of an argument against your pathetic little comment...
NormbrettaMod 1 year ago
@NormbrettaMod i was just trying to get a rise out of people. mother teresa lived a beautiful life. don't let the internet get you mad ;)
guruu13 1 year ago
@guruu13
Yeah, brilliant cover up :L And "trying to get a rise out of people"? That really doesn't make anything better. The internet's not getting me mad, it's thoughtless morons like you.
NormbrettaMod 1 year ago
@NormbrettaMod well, don't let thoughtless morons get you mad ;)
guruu13 1 year ago
@guruu13
To be honest, I wasn't actually mad. I was just advising that you don't make such stupid comments that might offend people...
NormbrettaMod 1 year ago
Is there a higher quality version of this??... I can hardly understand anything with the background static
southpaw20001 1 year ago
Because , the baby comes due to the love of two human being principaly . if u don't accept the love who come from urself .. who will you accept the love who comes from others ???
zolentlia 1 year ago
i luv mother teresa....im from india
dtownpictures 1 year ago
Its messed up that the thing that Mother Teresa hated most still goes on to this day. This is a sick world.
BaldBunny37 2 years ago 3
@BaldBunny37 It's still worse that the things she loved so much still go on today: poverty, suffering and brainwashing of people with religion!
krrypton 10 months ago
She forgot the father ... the third person
shortday63 2 years ago
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ed1962 2 years ago
'Comment removed by author' nice........
deathfromabove 2 years ago
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mother theresa smellt of arse. she was a swindler and a hypocrite, and the world is a better place without her.
derbulldog 2 years ago
derbulldog..you're a sick person, and all that you wrote talks about your own personality. The world would be better indeed, without people like you.
maria20078 2 years ago 3
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she was a fraudster and you are a gullible fool.
derbulldog 2 years ago
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derbulldog 2 years ago
OZ,
I wasted enough time here. Keep yourself company here if you like. With 680,000 page views a year on my site, I have better things to do THERE.
Google "LiberalsLikeChrist" (one word) and let the light shine into your heart and mind.
Rayosun 3 years ago
Rayosun, I already read some of your pages in your site. But actually, I read most of it here, in this page. It's actually more like a summary, and I learned many things from you.
May Mary OUR MOTHER pray for you.
oz8drive 3 years ago
I didn't bring up the Concordat, but since YOU did wasn't Art. 16 great? It required all the Catholic hierarchy to swear "Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear as becomes a bishop, . . . and promise to honor the legally constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it."
Rayosun 3 years ago
2.1
""Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Under intense pressure from Hitler, including terrorizing members of the Catholic Center Party, Pacelli agrees to negotiate a legal agreement between Germany and the Holy See. The agreement, called a concordat, is a clever propaganda stunt by Hitler. Simply by asking the Church to negotiate, Hitler makes himself look good."
oz8drive 3 years ago
2.3
"Back in Rome, Pacelli tells the British ambassador: "I had to choose between an agreement and the virtual elimination of the Catholic Church in the Reich." He says a pistol had been held to his head, and that he felt he was negotiating "with the devil himself.""
oz8drive 3 years ago
What the poor helpless pope & bishops were helpless to do, the housewives showed could be done. In Berlin in Feb. 1943, when 6000 Jewish men were being deported to the death camps, their Christian wives screamed and cried in the streets until the Gestapo relented and returned their husbands!
Even the bishops had similar success, but they claimed total helplessness when it came to saving the non-Catholic JEWS from persecution and death !!!!
Rayosun 3 years ago
Oz8drive,
If a cleric proclaimed his intent to set the world straight about S E X , and couldn't even bring himself to utter the word "sex" and any other word relating to sex, the whole world would laugh.
Yet apologists for the papacy claim that these encyclicals were "clear condemnations" of the Nazis' persecution of the Jews, when they assiduously avoided using the words Nazi or Jew, etc. so as not to arouse the anger of the Nazis beyond mild annoyance. Just Google "RCscandal" & read,
Rayosun 3 years ago
Sorry but in the 20th of October 1939, Pius XII issues his first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, concerned with the oneness of human beings. In paragraph 48, dealing with the Church's openness to all, it describes St. Paul's vision of "the new man who is renewed unto knowledge, according to the image of Him that created him. Where there is neither GENTILE OR JEW." The Nazis were FURIOUS because of this.
oz8drive 3 years ago
"In 1937, Cardinal Pacelli drafts the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, issued in March by Pope Pius XI. It condemns Nazi racism and worship of the state in the Church's most authoritative form of teaching. It infuriates the Nazis, who respond with more persecution of Catholics."
oz8drive 3 years ago
Oz8drive,
It's downright SILLY for you Catholic apologists can claim your pope & bishops were so heroic, and caused the Nazis to be "FURIOUS", yadda, yadda, yadda. While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated them enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON them??????
Rayosun 3 years ago
And it is downright STUPID for you so-called "christian" (if you are one) for you to say that.
Now I ask you: Did your pastors, leaders, to "infuriated them (nazis) enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON them?..." and with all your nonsense.
Can you give me PROOF?
oz8drive 3 years ago
Oz8drive, you ask "Can you give me PROOF? "
But YOU are the one who owes us proof for your claim that your pope & bishops were so heroic, and caused the Nazis to be "FURIOUS", yadda, yadda, yadda.
While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated the Nazis enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON Catholic clergy for defending the Jews??????
Since YOU don't seem to know any, I'll help you with at least ONE, Provost Lichtenberg of Berlin.
Rayosun 3 years ago
I can't give you all thousands and thousands of names of all the priests, bishops, and even the lays who risked their lives and were killed not just for Catholics but also for the Jews. Out of the thousands (like Provost Lichtenberg), there is a person you have disregarded: Pope Pius XII who secretly called the churches of the other parts of Europe to give shelter and save the Jews.
oz8drive 3 years ago
OZ,
My challenge to you was "While the Nazis were killing JEWS by the millions, how many popes or bishops infuriated the Nazis enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON Catholic clergy for defending the Jews?"
I know that you can't provide " thousands and thousands of names of all the priests, bishops ... who risked their lives and were killed ... for the Jews." So how about providing the name of just ONE bishop who was imprisoned and/or killed for attempting to save JEWS?
Rayosun 3 years ago
Oz, you say "there is a person you have disregarded: Pope Pius XII who secretly called the churches of the other parts of Europe to give shelter and save the Jews."
The trouble with "secretly" is that nobody KNOWS ABOUT IT!
The Jewish guardians of Yad Vashem have honored 22,000 "Righteous Gentiles" who made heroic efforts to help the Jews, and they haven't been persuaded that the best known "gentile" of the period who could have done the most to help them earned that special recognition.
Rayosun 3 years ago
Rayosun, you said "the trouble with "secretly" is that nobody KNOWS ABOUT IT!"
So, if I tell you a secret, would you know my secret? DUH!! It's just plain math, silly. The people who knew the plan were the parish priests, bishops, the clergies, and the lay of the churches called and also the people who worked for the pope.
New York Times of March 14, under the headline: "Pope Is Emphatic About Just Peace: Jews' Rights Defended."
oz8drive 3 years ago
The HISTORIAN Susan Zuccotti found that the priests and others who tried to save Jews were certainly heroic, but there is no evidence of the Pope's guiding hand. Based on extensive, painstaking research into one locale after another, she found that the assertions of Jews and Catholics that Pius XII was behind rescue efforts in Italy; are nothing but hearsay, without foundation, and are contradicted by credible evidence. (Under His Very Windows : The Vatican and the Holocaust in Italy").
Rayosun 3 years ago
The question is, what foundation can she give to support her point of view?
Pope Pius XII orders publication of a large volume (565 pages). The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich, in London (by Burns and Oates). It is a translation from the German of eye-witness accounts of the merciless Nazi program to crush the Church. It contains pastoral letters by many German bishops, and also reveals close cooperation between Catholics and Jews.
oz8drive 3 years ago
OZ, you're being funny again !
"The question is, what foundation can she give to support her point of view?"
What are you asking? That I publish her book in this 500 character block?
If you were really INTERESTED, you would READ HER BOOKS and find out for yourself. But you're not interested in what the historical record says unless it portrays your church in a favorable light - and THAT is NOT history!
Rayosun 3 years ago
You don't have to do that. But if you could, thanks.
Rayosun, "But you're not interested in what the historical record says unless it portrays your church in a favorable light - and THAT is NOT history." That's what you think.
And can you at least tell me some important notes points and informations of the book? It's like giving the table of contents.
oz8drive 3 years ago
I thought you said that the Catholic Church, as a whole, teaches anti-semitism and here you are, giving me a name of a priest (who was the inmate of St. Maximilian Kolbe- which I think you did not know that) who prayed and was arrested for the sake of the Catholics and Jews. You're not that bad after all Rayosun.
oz8drive 3 years ago
If Father Maximilian Kolbe was heroic, it was because of what he did for a fellow Catholic Pole.
Far from being "arrested for the sake of Jews", as you claim, he had been publishing a paper that contained anti-semitic articles.
Google "RCscandal" and read all of the evidence I provide at my LiberalsLikeChrist pages and STOP posting so many claims that have been proven to be WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !
Rayosun 3 years ago
Sorry, but "In A Man for Others (Marytown Press), Patricia Treece shows us from Jewish testimony that Maximilian Kolbe was among those Poles who gave aid and assistance to Jews. Of particular note is the testimony of Rosalia Kobla, who lived near the friary at Niepokalanow: "When Jews came to me asking for a piece of bread, I asked Father Maximilian if I could give it to them in good conscience, and he answered me, 'Yes, it is necessary to do this because all men are our brothers.'"
oz8drive 3 years ago
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Rayosun 3 years ago
Surprise, surprise! "LiberalsLikeChrist?" A web author who writes about the """truth""". What's up with that??
If that's your version, look who's talking??
oz8drive 3 years ago
(replacement of my prior post)
Surprise, surprise! Patricia Treece, an author who has made a career out of writing hagiographies about the holiness of Catholic "saints" made the case that Father Kolbe was a saint!
Did anybody expect her to find anything that would make him UNWORTHY of canonization?!?
Quote all the Catholic hagiographers you like.
I am impressed by HISTORIANS, like Susan Zuccotti.
Rayosun 3 years ago
Why, because Susan Zuccotti's on your side? DUH...
Write all your anti-hagiographers and authors about "windows" you like? Look who's talking?
oz8drive 3 years ago
Is this what you call anti-semite:
Kolbe's words, "to seek the conversion of sinners, heretics, schismatics, Jews, etc., and especially, Masons."
oz8drive 3 years ago
OZ, you are so funny! You ask if it is "anti-semitics" to "seek the conversion of sinners, heretics, schismatics and Jews".
If you really don't see how offensive this is to JEWS, I'm sure it doesn't bother you that I am working so hard to "seek the conversion of sinners, heretics, schismatics and ROMAN CATHOLICS". Are you ready to see the light and to become a "Liberal Like Christ"???
Rayosun 3 years ago
Like I said... look who's talking...
And DUH... it's every Christian's goal: to bring them home to the truth. That's what Jesus did. And that's one of the reasons why He was crucified.
oz8drive 3 years ago
And thank you for the offer. I'm not interested.
But are you ready to see the persecuted TRUTH and become a "Roman Catholic Church?"
Just asking: you said "light..." right? So you're saying that "Liberal Like Christ" is the light-bearer? REALLY? Yes or no.
oz8drive 3 years ago
Now, I need you to give me proof: Did your pastors, leaders, to "infuriated them (nazis) enough to move them to KILL or even IMPRISON them?..."
oz8drive 3 years ago
Oz8drive, you ask "Can you give me PROOF? "
Can I give proof in these little post boxes, in which YoutTube does not allow links? NO.
But I provide ample proof of everything I have said here and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE at my web site. And if you were honestly interested in PROOF, you would Google "RCscandal" and read for days all of the evidence I provide at my LiberalsLikeChrist pages on this subject and STOP posting so many claims that have been proven to be WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !
Rayosun 3 years ago
Sorry but you're the one who is "WRONG WRONG WRONG."
And I can see that in every pixel of text.
RCscandal? There are too many. Just say the webname (ex. youtube). That's all.
oz8drive 3 years ago
2.2
"Pacelli does not trust Hitler, but wants a legal basis on which to protest. Without a concordat there will be no legal grounds to appeal Nazi encroachments on the Church's freedom. The concordat defines Church rights within the greater rights of the State. Despite misgivings the concordat seems wise at the time. Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich comments: "With the concordat we are hanged, without the concordat we are hanged, drawn and quartered."
oz8drive 3 years ago
Are you idiot?
No, you are crazy.
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188666 3 years ago
Why don't Catholics ever ask why their church never excommunicated any of the German Catholics who directed the Jewish Holocaust, i.e. Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Goebbels, Reinhard Heydrich, Rudolf Hoess, Julius Streicher, Fritz Thyssen, Klaus Barbie, or Franz Von Papen, all well-known Roman Catholics, as were all of these heads of other Nazi states: Degrelle of Belgium, Pavelic of Croatia. Laval & Petain of Vichy-France, Fr. Josef Tiso of Slovakia? Google "NaziLeadership" for MORE!
Rayosun 3 years ago
Why don't people who hate the Church stop perpetuating the lie that it was the Catholic Church who was responsible for the Holocaust? Hitler may have been raised Catholic, but he certainly wasn't in good standing during WWII. Neither were any of the Nazi leaders--Pius XI condemned Naziism. Hitler called Pius XII the "Jew loving Pope" and killed many Catholics in concentration camps. Of course we know what great guys atheist leaders are. . Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot.
janets9179 3 years ago
Janets9179,
If you want to see who is really lying about the Catholic Church's connection with the Nazi Holocaust then Google "rcscandal" and you'll find not just claims or insults, but a ton of documentation, and Google "hitlersfaith" and you'll see just how Catholic Adolf Hitler was - something the Catholic Church could have remedied by EXCOMMUNICATING him, but NEVER DID!
Rayosun 3 years ago
. . . . .
janets9179 3 years ago
What is the use of excommunicating Hitler when he himself is not faithful to the Catholic Church?
oz8drive 3 years ago
OZ8drive,
"What is the use of excommunicating Hitler?"
The purpose of excommunication is not to tell God, or the person involved that they don't belong.
It is to warn THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH not to associate with this person as they are extremely dangerous. The idea is the same as a quarantine issued by authorities to protect the public from a serious threat to the public health. A third of Nazi Germany was Catholic, and Catholics accounted for roughly 1/3rd of the Nazis.
Rayosun 3 years ago