Exploring and Understanding Indians and Vikings in America

[VendPrekmurec]

@joshlazarus American Indians are Red people, not "brown"... brown ones are Afro Semites, not a race at all, but cross breeds, hybrids

[theshow2k8]

@joshlazarus

Brown people?brown people,as you put it,do not fit into the three main races of humanity as the main three are white,black and yellow.

Native Americans know the prophecies and only speak of three races being of humanity........and brown people aren't one of them.

[NopeJPeg]

@theshow2k8

Only people who follow outdated anthropological standards still believe that there are three races.

[burdencafe]

vikings settled throughout canada in what is now newfoundland, labrador, all along the st lawrence river. They even mixed with some native american tribes which are now the iroquios. thats why the iroqious are called the "people of the long houses". Long houses originaly coming from the viking settlement structure. The vikings made all the way down to virginia and as far inland as minnisota. Pretty much, the vikings were the first white settlers to spread throughout united states.

[zoso1234]

I wonder how accurate that movie 'PathFinder' is...there is some fossil evidence that Vikings made it up to Maine?

[vikingvic]

@zoso1234 burdencafe 1 month ago

[zoso1234]

@vikingvic huh?

[john48965]

are blood go from south america throuh africa we adoted alot of the vikings we gave

them there own tribe it was 12 original tribes bout we adopted the vikings they tried to start war with use but it was to many of us like 60 millon of us in the us alone they had camps from dekota to misouri and they did alot of witch craft and we been here seen's before noah's flood we still sing about giant's and alot of us still speak old hebrew

[PhilipK100]

HOw come there's no Records from the Vinland Indians about the Vikings arrival? Did the Vikings take any Indian gifts back to Norway? It'd be great to get a FULL DOCUMENTARY of the history of the interactions of these two great cultures.

[1970mjim]

@PhilipK100 Yes there is recorded in old "norrøne sagaer" that they called the indians "skrælinger". Leiv Eiriksson first set foot on Baffin iland. There where no trees there, only stail cliffs straight into the ocean. He called it Helluland. They went further south and sailed for tree days until they saw land again, and huge trees. Ships simmilar to those used by Leiv could reach speed up to 11-12 knop which is almost 14 mph. How far can you reach from Baffin iland with such speed?

[PhilipK100]

@1970mjim Is there any Evidence that the Vikings took things back from Vineland to Norway or Sweden? Did any Indians manage to move to Scandinavia? Did any Vikings intermarry and breed with Skraeklings?

[1970mjim]

@PhilipK100 A thousand and ten years have gone by since Leiv first set foot on American soil. Things and happenings where not recorded as they are today and even 2-300 years later by the munks. But there where some scalds like Snorre Sturlason who did write things down, tales and stories he heard and experienced him self throug many journeys with the kings in Norway. But they are considered epic tales. But in 1354 king Magnus Erikson of Sweden and Norway sent out men to America to search for..

[1970mjim]

men who abandon a settlement on greenland and possibly went to America in search for better land. They went and stories abaout their journey are recorded by a priest who accompanied the voyage and wrote an account of it in a book called the Inventio Fortunate which is cited in a number of medieval and Renaissance documents, although no copy remains. Its recorded in letters found that they came back in 1364 with only 8 men left.

[1970mjim]

So your questions. Hm, again there have been 646 years since the last recorded journey with vikings sailing oceans to America. If they brought items its fair considered the time scale here, that they where lost or withered away. But even so it is recorded in Grænlendingas sögu and Eiríks saga rauða that the vikings at first did do some tradings whit the skrælings except weapons. The vikings did not leave their sword away for any items the skræling offered.

[PhilipK100]

@1970mjim Amazing...... It's also amazing to think that the Vilings kept the location of North America secret for so long - it was the spainards who found it again. Just one more though - how possible is it that a few vikings COULD HAVE BEEN left behind as the vikings left North America.... I know it's far fetched but I have an active imagination :)

[1970mjim]

@PhilipK100 They did not ceep it secret. Have you heard about the vinland map? When Columbus had his journey to Ultima Thule (Greenland) he would have heard stories told of wast land far west and south west. It is possible that he brought with him a copy of the vinland map. So where was this vinland? Vinland is to be found at the coust of Massachusetts Bay/Bay of Fundy. Here laid Leifs houses/Hop in Boston/Cambridge, Straumfjord i Penobscot Bay/Blue Hill Bay and Krossanesved Saint John.

[1970mjim]

@PhilipK100 Stories such as listed above are numerous in old norrøn saga. Arceological findings in Herjolsnes on Greenland gave evidence on the interactions between indian culture and the viking culture. Among the skeleton findings they discovered cranium simmilar to the natives in north america. Not strange really since the vikings often took slaves back with them (treller). Among the items found was whalebones and other typical indian trading items. The coexistance thou, was not friendly.

[1970mjim]

@PhilipK100 I've heard stories told about siux sheefs having large white hair long sculls and broad sholdered and tall builded. Almost like the white man. We know that the indians took prisoners and it is possible that some vikings joined the indians volanteraly and that some might have been taken in to the tribes as fully members. There are no proof of that. Interesting is it that they recently discovered ancient norrøne tales, words and phrases still beeing told in a tribe in north america.

[JackRussellTerrier2]

If they (the vikings) really had towns that looked like that then that's pretty kewl.

[MurphyCaparison]

fix the audio!!!!!

[Pontus900]

I heard they came 25000 years ago and evolved from mongoloids into what they looks like today, the Inuits still have alot of "asian" looks today.

All of the "natives" are from asia in my beliefs

[milesissimo]

Thanks for your help!

[steveharrismetalgod]

actually if I remember correct there a 2 main theories,maybe they're both true:1)the original indians where mongoloids who reached america by crossing the bering strait and went downwards2)they came from europe and north africa crossing the atlantic with rafts/boats...

[shawry86]

why have u got 2 thumbs down for this?

[steveharrismetalgod]

...beats me...

[thoostorm4]

@Pontus900 BULLSHEEIT

[Pontus900]

@thoostorm4

Im hoping you were making a "cpt obvious" reply ;)

I don't see why I wrote in a way that made me sound skeptical.

I'm as sure that natives descended from asia as the earth is round.

[NopeJPeg]

@Pontus900

As if the "mongoloid" phenotype existed 15,000+ years ago. There were no mongs back then and Inuit aren't American Indians. They're a different people. American Indian presence in the Americas precedes that of the Inuit/Eskimos by several millennia. The Indian look isn't even mongoloid signifying a much older ancestral population.

Protip: "Europeans" are Asians as well ("Europe" is a self-imposed term for that westernmost segment of the Eurasian continent).

[Pontus900]

@NopeJPeg

Yeah I realize the mongoloids didn't really exist back then

I guess you could say mongoloids and Native Americans share a common ancestor that is closer to them than it is to the other race-groups.

I guess it is subjective, but I find the Native american look somewhat similar to asians.

[milesissimo]

thank you for the information, you're true|

[animeisawesome1]

not ALL native americans came from asia, im sure alot of tribes did but not most of em