the mountain of proof for evolution grows every day. dna, fossils, breeding. even if we enter a future where we cant find more fossils, then so much time would have passed that we would have observed many more speciations than we have today.
Collapse of evolution? I'd say collapse of creationist integrity.
well muslims know their bullshit religion and thr stupid quran is destroyed by theory of eovlution no wonder they make up such stupid videos,islam says humans come from adam and eve and dat adam was d first prophet of god,evolution proves beyond doubt thr was no first man or woman,no adam no eve,therefore no first prophet and no first revelation,islam is finished,if quran got d origin of humans wrong there is no point reading it afterwards,its a work of fiction and false lies
You video proved one point, Muslims were created by God, the rest of humanity just evolved from a piece of turd. I guess looking at the comments here, I would agree.
that conditions on Earth support life is evidence of a creator? Wow. With "logic" like that, it's obvious further viewing would suck the brain cells right out of my head.
There are 100-400 billion stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way. There are 200 billion galaxies in the part of the universe that we know of. A conservative estimate of the number of planets would be in the billions of trilions, maybe 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Obviously these conditions are going to occur on many of them.
Harmony is so perfectly established? That must of been what the dinosaurs thought before they got murdered by an asteroid. Do you know what the asteroid was called? "Design". You see, the universe is in a particular order and has a plan , a "design", and at any moment, another "design" might come to murder us too. Don't worry though, this world incorporates extremely complex and delicate balances. Unless we mess up the planet, then "harmony" the asteroid is going to get us. The earth is perfect!
You know that this has all been said before and disproved... I recommend checking out Thunderf00t for the "Why people laugh at creationist" series. It will go through and point by point dismantle all of this silliness for you.
Sad and funny. What does evolution have to do with cosmogony?
There are millions of planets supporting life. Earth tries to kill you with earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, volcanoes, heat, cold, microbes, bacteria, viruses, etc etc.
If Allah is responsible, he or she did a lousy job. A real amateur.
congratulations, this is the fastest i've ever been offended by a video, 1 second after starting it.
Creationism is in no way a fact. Just because you deny A doesn't automatically make B true. Facts are based on observable evidence and consensus. Creationism has no supporting evidence. it only rejects all presented evidence for evolution based on bias towards it's false dichotomy.
Creationist motto: If i can't prove I'm right, i'll just prove u wrong
This video is quite sad because as usual its muslims denying evolution without properly researching what evolution is in the first place. Take a hint; the muslim theologan Nasir Al Din Al Tusi came up with evolution centuries before Darwin and he was a marja; the highest religious authority in shiite islam. Evolution is a problem for the bible since Eve was made from a rib, but that story is absent in Islam as evolution isn't a problem for us. The hadith imply evolutionary creation anway
@koroigetsuga What are you talking about? Mother Hawa was made by a rib in Islam as well. There is more holes in Evolution than in the bible. Badum CHH.
Whoa ! this is some huge BS. You only have to read the Koran once to see its lunacy. Here is what the quran really says in regards to science. "The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth. 13:2
"He ... spread out the earth."
Sounds like a flat earth to me. 13:3
"And the earth have We spread out."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 15:19 The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
Actually scientifically it is proven that the Sun is very much moving as is our entire solar system millions of kilometres per second. 13:2 does not say the Sun orbits the earth, you didn't even read the verse. Surah 7 very much says the earth is moving, no where does the Quran say its not. As for the earth being flat, this is most false of all. The Quran is mentioning land spread out for the purpose of field cultivation. Those surahs have nothing to do with the shape of the earth
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Spoken like a true non believer! I have experienced GODS presence! It is not of this world and there for you cannot see. God does not need to prove himself in a material world.
It is threw faith alone that your eyes will be opened. You are looking for his existence threw material things. KNOW THIS! UNLESS YOU SEEK HIM IN DIFFERENT REALM, YOU WILL NOT LEARN OF THE TRUE MEANING OF LIFE AND HIS PLAN FOR US!
Nice try! Sometimes things are not how you want them to be. It's about time muslims learn this and stop the dumb twisting and lying to defend their believe.
i am sorry, but you may stop living on lies. most of the scientific ideas comes from islam e.g. the speed of light, the order of the solar system, the water cycle, the seven layers of the atmosphere;these are all from the Quran written in the 6th century, so how did man manage to do it if it was'nt God??? i dnt think man had the knowledge to work out the water cycle or to recognise the 7 layers of the atmosphere.
It's a fact that muslims twist and tweak science to make it match with koran verses. There is no such thing as the collapse of evolution. Its a natural proces that is real, and totally supported in modern science. That speed of light explanation is made long after the koran was written and is nothing but a meaningless silly magic trick with words and digits. Water cycle already was a subject of thought in ancient Greece, and the atmosphere is not devided into 7 layers at all.
Or government being hijacked by radical fundamentalist capitalist and christians who lied through their teeth and sabotaged efforts to protect our planets climate and supported a government that thought putting more toxins in our children made sense.
My bad, the video failed at "who created everything from nothing". Falling back on an earlier 'creationist' argument, nothing comes from nothing, sorry.
This is the fraudulence of creationist argument. They will argue that evolution means "something came from nothing" and call this logically fallacious, but then argue that God created everything from nothing. Accoding to scripture God created Man out of Dust. According to evolution the "delicate order" created Man from Dust. What difference?
the difference is creation. unless there is a designer, its impossible for something to come to existense without being desinged and controlled, we have dust now, why can't delicate order create another man ? btw who was the first man out of dust anyways ??
It means that the answer provided for a questions is itself begging of the question.
If everything in existence has a designer and God is existent then who designed God?
Of course when we ask any probing question "Why" or "How" (as in: Why are we here?) we assume an antecedent cause or a necessary consequent effect. The question "Why" begs itself, "Why why?".
Anyone with kids has heard the incessant "But why?". Kids' got a point!
Some diverse reading can help to smooth out the wrinkles in creationist arguments.
I'm currently reading a variety of books. In my bag right now is "The Portable Atheist" by Christopher Hitchins and "Mankinds Search for God" by The Watchtower Society.
I've also got a CD here called "God's Amazing Love Proclaimed" and the book "God is not Great" by Hitchins. Also accompanied by "The Spiritual Brain" by Mario Beuregard and Denyse O'Leary and "Nostradamus and Other Prophets and Seers".
Its plainly obvious to me when an individual only consumes one brand of literature. If one is always reading the Holy Bible and proponents of the creationist view, then that tends to be all that they are capable of thinking about.
Likewise, if a person always reads Hitchins and other anti-theist books then they will tend to be anti-theistic.
In my personal experience, there are some heavy teachings in the Bible, such as "A man who measures himself against other men is not wise".....
but the creationist view is utterly absurd and IMHO unsupported by any scripture.
Indeed there are a number of concepts such as After-Life, Free-Will and Disembodied Soul that I find absolutely zero support for in any of the scripture.
The scripture describes to me exactly the opposite. There is no Human-God, there is no persistent Self/Soul, no life after death. "Eternal Life" is something entirely different, a more esoteric concept like "being dead in our sins" is not a physical death.
That's an argument that shoots itself in the foot, because you believe a creator came into existence too without being designed and controlled, right? That idea is also suited for a universe without a designer, the only difference is, is that the universe isnt instantly complicated and capable of "creating" life, but needed a long time to produce complexity. If something really needs a creator to come into existance, an all knowing and powerful god must have had an even more complex creator.
A complex and delicately balanced system? I.e. determinism?
See, this argument works until you get to the supposition that some things aren't deterministic. Such as "God", the origin of lfie and the will of human beings.
All of these things aren't "complex and delicately balanced" they are, by definition, nonsensical.
I submit that is where the theory is going to fail. But we'll see, lol.
I have another interesting observation. The intelligent design argument seems to be not working on the universe in the way that is presented to evolution. I mean where's the intelligent design - thins fly in empty space every which way they could. Like the strange orbits of some of the planets. Things crash all the time. Entire stars explode and crush into all eating black holes. Energy bursts seemingly out of nowhere, etc. How we should interpret this fact.
The fact that we cannot comprehend the intelligence behind all this may be interpreted as a proof for existence of Divine being. But then we should abandon the idea that God created life, because we supposedly are able to see the intelligence behind that.
Understand, but "because we supposedly are able to see the inteligence behind tha" what do you mean here? Is it like we "have" the ability to doctrinate beyond that?
Energy is infinite, cant be created out of nowhere, nor can it disappear. But however the energy which lies in the universe must have come from another space/dimension or heaven, Im sorry if its annoying to bring religion in to the picture. As a believer I believe that the energy source itself is "God" or coming from him.
I said that this kind of metaphysical argument is absolutely ok, unless it's not advocated as scientific proof against any theory.
But I was trying with my bad English to explain that the universe does not feel like bacterial flagellum. It does not have the "machine" feeling that Intelligent design sees at cellular level.
ddd333xxx, You are right about the methaphysical (hence non-scientific) character of the last argument. The argument cannot be attacked scientifically, but it's prone to metaphysical objections.
OBSERVE:
If universe is created by God, who created God. And If someone accept that God can exist on his own, why the Universe can't?
By the way the Turkish guys got it all wrong. (I guess they produced that film. They have strong creationist group there). There is beautiful hour and a half lecture on the history of creation science and intelligent design. (See Youtube user researchchannel).
Among other interesting things, it shows that the view presented here is not an Islamic idea but originates quite long ago from Europe (1802 to be correct). And second real intelligent design says not a word about God creating the universe
Just think about it; why dont we have eternal life? Why cant we make something that can make us live forever, something to reproduce dead cells or whatever. Ill say it straight, we will NEVER manage to make anything to make us immortal. Just think about it; if every single person in the world would live immortal, what will happen after a million year? It makes sense that we cant be immortal, its logical. But did the nature make this limit? By its own? Does the nature have a large brain?
Immortality is probably achievable scientific goal. What will happen to society then is interesting but non relevant to religion except for the part that we will institute rigid birth control...
I wasnt refering to religion, but logic- was logic all natural. Does the nature have a large mind which has everything under controll- or give controll to everything then leave it on its, if you know what I mean; eg the planets orbit and so on. I mean what kind of fenomenon are we talking about if theres no god or higher being? I hope Im making sense, it kinda hard for me to explain.
It's called quantum mechanics I guess. It's a fascinating field which tries to explain how the complex physical laws that govern the universe arise from relatively simple properties of the atom and it's components.
This field has some major problems, but when cleared, God will be really no more...
First there was nothing, all of a sudden, there was a big boom, and things started to get shape and organisms came from nowhere, then we have different species, races... bla bla, and humans got brain snd, from mind of each individual- we know right from wrong, w have abilities to create things.... It doesnt make any sense at all. I wish I could think that way.
(Wow, it ate my formula, but You can look at it when You type "Binomial options pricing model" in Wikipedia). It's the value of the i-th node in a binomial tree at time step t. That tree is used for option valuation.
So I'd say it's moderately incomprehensible, but it's not less logical than the upper, because mathematics is build on some basic assumptions and formalized system of logic.
(This is not to say that any logic system in which we feed wrong initial assumptions won't produce garbage).
To make the point: There are much things that are incomprehensible to me, but proved using some system of logical reasoning, like mathematics. Incomprehension is subjective to the observer and is not a valid scientific argument for anything.
And incomprehension is closely related to one other idea, called irreducible complexity. How will You prove that complexity is not subjective to the observer?
You dont have to complicate this, it still doesnt make any sense.
Let me use a simple example of the issue Im trying to convince a believer in i higher being:
Imagine an old fashioned weigh, ok.
Lets say that both sides are empty, nothing on either side. Is it possible that one side suddenly, without any other interferense from outside force or anything, is it possible that one side elevates, just like this?
Ill be a fool if I accept that this all happened without force from outside.
This is powerful metaphysical argument I cannot disagree with. With some comments about the analogy. We don't know if really outer force was the reason for the big bang, but I believe that answering that question ultimately will be in the capabilities of the science of the future. If it's really an outer force we won't know what that outer force would be too.
But, simply not knowing something is by no means excuse this to be attributed to transcendental forces. There are many examples
where that thinking misled us in the past. Eugene C. Scott has a wonderful example - ferry rings. In 18th century we explained it with supernatural forces too, didn't we?
I dont think science will ever prove anything about it. It has to be an outer force. Somenthing not there ----> big bang. For a believer like myself, that energy/force, is God or by God. Remember, we dont think of God as a person with hands and legs. In the Quran its said that no one could imagine what God looks like, he cant be described. But we say he is light.
I hope I didnt annoy you by simplifying everything. I liked your mathematichal example, and I must say, youre intelligent.
I'd accept that as long as it's not used as argument against scientific theories. Simply not proving conclusively anything for the moment is not proof that something other is true. To be this logic right, between the two things must exist dichotomy.
evolution is true. we already proved natural selection. some farmer was mating smaller bulls with smaller cows. after many generations he got very small cows in the size of a donkey. he did that to save food and water consumption. its probably the same with giraffes. the male that shows more strength will win and mate with the female. then he will pass his bigger genes. we already know the size and fatness of any living being is determined in the genes.
And by the way, is there justification to believe that only because one text has not changed in a 1300+ years, everything in it is true. I think that there are many Roman and Greek texts that survived unchanged much long time. Ancient Egyptians even wrote their holy books on stone (so hardly anyone could change them).
But this does not mean God exists or do not exist. Science could not prove or disprove that by any means. Science is about exploring the world that is presented in front of our senses and mind trough observation and logic. And science can prove trough observation and logic that the holy books of all the major religions are in fact full of things that contradict our senses and logic.
1. To insist that it's normal our senses and logic to deceive us and conceal the real world, because God wanted them to.
2. To insist that we live in a great computer, called Matrix, that has created the world in front of our senses, including the holy books and everything, only to deceive us that we are used as a batteries.
3. To accept that one way or the other, we will get only what we can perceive trough senses and accept it for the real world.
Science is associated with the third view. But anyone is free to choose whatever he likes. Just don't mix things. If You are to disprove Evolution Theory trough scientific evidence and scientific reasoning, do not sneak "God- deceives-our-senses-to-mock-Scientists" arguments into scientific debates.
Actually they do. If you believe in Science, then it's your duty to put everything you believe to its test, and because religion disallows you from testing it (by saying it's not scientifically falsifiable, of course), you must choose one or the other.
This whole video series is intellectual poison. Confronted by a black mamba and a Creationist, I do not fear the mamba, rather I shut my eyes and ears and hope that my mind is not contaminated by the complete baseless bullshit the Creationist utters.
Every Creationist believes he or she serves the one and only God, and that God and his religion is the made purely out of peace, prosperity, tolerance and wisdom. The latter however, cannot be true, as he forgot to design a brain for his followers.
nothing can come out of nothing, so God was always there. But i see your point, we can never comprehend that secret. Maybe when we are in the next life?? Insha'Allah
Take it this way: God cannot be compared with other living creatures, furthermore he has no time no begining and no limit/end. God is not a person, creating stuff out of his bare hands as we often associate with God. Its surely much more than that- sort of the ultimate energy coming from the ultimate being. But unfortunately the human mind has its limits, so its hard for some to swallow this. Its hard to even imagine. So we try to answer mysteries with false science to satisfy ourself,
There are always sufficient people to believe the nonsense which the creationists dish out. Make a nice MTV-Type of video with loads of animation and what do we get: Nothing that can withstand rational thinking and justified questioning and criticism. As soon as the creationists are being confronted with that it all boils down to "infidels" "non-believers" and "satans followers". Not convincing at all.
Ok; first of all, the first few seconds show that you don't know what you're talking about. As soon as the "Origin of Life" slide came up, I knew this was a trash video. Why? Because the theory of evolution does not deal with the origin of LIFE at all. It deals with the origin of different species. And all those animals that are so "perfectly designed"? What a load of crap. All species have their flaws.
Evolution has been accepted by, I'd say, 90% of the scientific community now. Maybe more.
Evolution theory and the arts orogin. Write that on a paper, dip it in water, then drink it. Scientist are crazy to believe that everything came out from nothing.
In fact it was the egg, for sufficient DNA sequence mutations in the gametes of the pre-chicken species (oh yes, they existed) resulted in new alleles that would alter the species' phenotypes into what we recognize as a chicken.
"the temperature range, orbital properties... show that this planet was designed to accomadate life" WRONG life developed, adapted, and will continue to adapt to meet these conditions. Other planets may not support the same life that Earth supports, but they can all support life which is adapted for that particular planet.
i agree with esaberkh, being a progressive muslim myself, please do not share 'your' views without sufficient material to provide a somewhat credible foundation upon which you present this so called 'collapse of evolution'
i must say i don't understand why theist are so scared of evolution. does evolution which is a fact prove that god doesn't exist? no it doesn't. it just proves their religion is wrong and fabricated, which it is. i don't personaly believe but nobody knows and never will.
but for some reason all religious books adopted changes major or minor in previous thousands of years. Quran is the only religious book that is still the same.
You meant to say "theory and proved* science..." You're correct about that. However, theories provide testable predictions that can be verified through empirical observation. This is why evolution is a solid theory, for it testable and observable through scientific experimentation. HOWEVER, Creationism/intelligent design (whatever you want to call it) cannot even be considered a theory, for it is not testable or observable. It is not scientific. Therefore, evolution is the BEST answer.
The concept of religion; believers will win and know all the truth.
But if we think scientific way about the beginning, we can NEVER prove what existed first and from where that existence came from. I mean if we say that the basics of everything is nucleons and so on, where did this all come from; Or if we discover that theres a large wall at the "end" of the universe. Scientists will still ask what that wall is and whats behind the wall, catch my drift?
Exactly. There will be at least two major groups of people. First one will tell You that beyond the wall there is God, creator of all living things etc. and on the other side will be a group of people that will ask "How a wall at the end of the universe proves anything at all, let alone the God, creator of all living things etc."
Not to mention that there will be a group that will claim that this wall is a proof for existence of aliens and government knew that all along.
To make a point - the only real limitation in our world is our mental capacity. And I'm worried because real science becomes more and more incomprehensible for the average person.
Look at the evolution debate. No average person can know let alone judge for himself the evidence. And one of the two sides heavily exploits that fact. ....
and as the evidence to its support continues to flow in each day, it never will. oh yes, tweaks may be made, but the overall model of evolution will not crumble because evolution itself is a fact.
OMG, how full of crap can you be? How about watching Richard Dawkins's christmas lecture for starters and only after that start to post this unintelligent nonsense around. You do not have to think too hard to see which one is more reliable..
Don't be silly, the world was created perfectly by the spaghetti monster. I KNOW BECUSE I HAVE FAITH. How else could it possibly be. I mean besides the fact that the dinosours died out so it can't be too good a system, and of course it's really messy and inefficient in places. Makes you wonder what a crap god he must have ben to createe such a pile of wahoozie.
the mountain of proof for evolution grows every day. dna, fossils, breeding. even if we enter a future where we cant find more fossils, then so much time would have passed that we would have observed many more speciations than we have today.
Collapse of evolution? I'd say collapse of creationist integrity.
We have the fossils, we win.
AtheistScientific 2 months ago
well muslims know their bullshit religion and thr stupid quran is destroyed by theory of eovlution no wonder they make up such stupid videos,islam says humans come from adam and eve and dat adam was d first prophet of god,evolution proves beyond doubt thr was no first man or woman,no adam no eve,therefore no first prophet and no first revelation,islam is finished,if quran got d origin of humans wrong there is no point reading it afterwards,its a work of fiction and false lies
thescorpionking2020 3 months ago
more lies from religious freaks
burnsidebluntslide 4 months ago
You video proved one point, Muslims were created by God, the rest of humanity just evolved from a piece of turd. I guess looking at the comments here, I would agree.
glower125 11 months ago
more muslim bull shit.
gregrutz 1 year ago
right concept wrong name..... JESUS
mattix771 1 year ago
Why do people keep blatantly false videos up and running? Only to embarrass themselves? And their belief system.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
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@TonyRJ1989 you are sleeping it is time to wake up to the truth
Sunnergy 1 year ago
that conditions on Earth support life is evidence of a creator? Wow. With "logic" like that, it's obvious further viewing would suck the brain cells right out of my head.
There are 100-400 billion stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way. There are 200 billion galaxies in the part of the universe that we know of. A conservative estimate of the number of planets would be in the billions of trilions, maybe 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Obviously these conditions are going to occur on many of them.
PumpingSmashkins 1 year ago
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emptysilo 1 year ago
Harmony is so perfectly established? That must of been what the dinosaurs thought before they got murdered by an asteroid. Do you know what the asteroid was called? "Design". You see, the universe is in a particular order and has a plan , a "design", and at any moment, another "design" might come to murder us too. Don't worry though, this world incorporates extremely complex and delicate balances. Unless we mess up the planet, then "harmony" the asteroid is going to get us. The earth is perfect!
emptysilo 1 year ago
EVOLUTION RULES ASSHOLES!!!
lordmetal2 1 year ago 2
God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 prove it
lordmetal2 1 year ago
You know that this has all been said before and disproved... I recommend checking out Thunderf00t for the "Why people laugh at creationist" series. It will go through and point by point dismantle all of this silliness for you.
harveyts3 1 year ago 2
Sad and funny. What does evolution have to do with cosmogony?
There are millions of planets supporting life. Earth tries to kill you with earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, volcanoes, heat, cold, microbes, bacteria, viruses, etc etc.
If Allah is responsible, he or she did a lousy job. A real amateur.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
congratulations, this is the fastest i've ever been offended by a video, 1 second after starting it.
Creationism is in no way a fact. Just because you deny A doesn't automatically make B true. Facts are based on observable evidence and consensus. Creationism has no supporting evidence. it only rejects all presented evidence for evolution based on bias towards it's false dichotomy.
Creationist motto: If i can't prove I'm right, i'll just prove u wrong
TheHomelessCripple 2 years ago 2
Great video to indoctrinate children and the uneducated to believe the nonsense of creation.
Futureplanet 2 years ago 3
This video is quite sad because as usual its muslims denying evolution without properly researching what evolution is in the first place. Take a hint; the muslim theologan Nasir Al Din Al Tusi came up with evolution centuries before Darwin and he was a marja; the highest religious authority in shiite islam. Evolution is a problem for the bible since Eve was made from a rib, but that story is absent in Islam as evolution isn't a problem for us. The hadith imply evolutionary creation anway
koroigetsuga 2 years ago 3
@koroigetsuga What are you talking about? Mother Hawa was made by a rib in Islam as well. There is more holes in Evolution than in the bible. Badum CHH.
FATAL12SKILLZ 2 years ago
This video sounds so scientific (even contains scientific data) but then ignores today's science completely.
eproulx 2 years ago 3
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Oh here are my evolutionist friends... thanks for commenting and pissing yourself LOSERS!
darwinist5pisser 2 years ago
Whoa ! this is some huge BS. You only have to read the Koran once to see its lunacy. Here is what the quran really says in regards to science. "The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth. 13:2
"He ... spread out the earth."
Sounds like a flat earth to me. 13:3
"And the earth have We spread out."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 15:19 The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
marco9bear 2 years ago
Actually scientifically it is proven that the Sun is very much moving as is our entire solar system millions of kilometres per second. 13:2 does not say the Sun orbits the earth, you didn't even read the verse. Surah 7 very much says the earth is moving, no where does the Quran say its not. As for the earth being flat, this is most false of all. The Quran is mentioning land spread out for the purpose of field cultivation. Those surahs have nothing to do with the shape of the earth
koroigetsuga 2 years ago
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Spoken like a true non believer! I have experienced GODS presence! It is not of this world and there for you cannot see. God does not need to prove himself in a material world.
It is threw faith alone that your eyes will be opened. You are looking for his existence threw material things. KNOW THIS! UNLESS YOU SEEK HIM IN DIFFERENT REALM, YOU WILL NOT LEARN OF THE TRUE MEANING OF LIFE AND HIS PLAN FOR US!
ChromeDove 2 years ago
id rather stick to things inthis realm thanks, not whatever ur imaginin inside ur head
CocoMac877 2 years ago 3
Nice try! Sometimes things are not how you want them to be. It's about time muslims learn this and stop the dumb twisting and lying to defend their believe.
snotverdorie 2 years ago
i am sorry, but you may stop living on lies. most of the scientific ideas comes from islam e.g. the speed of light, the order of the solar system, the water cycle, the seven layers of the atmosphere;these are all from the Quran written in the 6th century, so how did man manage to do it if it was'nt God??? i dnt think man had the knowledge to work out the water cycle or to recognise the 7 layers of the atmosphere.
Ahsan4life 2 years ago
It's a fact that muslims twist and tweak science to make it match with koran verses. There is no such thing as the collapse of evolution. Its a natural proces that is real, and totally supported in modern science. That speed of light explanation is made long after the koran was written and is nothing but a meaningless silly magic trick with words and digits. Water cycle already was a subject of thought in ancient Greece, and the atmosphere is not devided into 7 layers at all.
snotverdorie 2 years ago
islam is a piece of shit camel butt fucking religion
cosmicism 2 years ago
This plan and order they talk about
Where is getting creamed by a asteroid
and the impact this had on the plan
Or government being hijacked by radical fundamentalist capitalist and christians who lied through their teeth and sabotaged efforts to protect our planets climate and supported a government that thought putting more toxins in our children made sense.
Gordonz1 3 years ago
one word to destroy pislam
DINOSAURS
Blasphemer01 3 years ago 2
My bad, the video failed at "who created everything from nothing". Falling back on an earlier 'creationist' argument, nothing comes from nothing, sorry.
This is the fraudulence of creationist argument. They will argue that evolution means "something came from nothing" and call this logically fallacious, but then argue that God created everything from nothing. Accoding to scripture God created Man out of Dust. According to evolution the "delicate order" created Man from Dust. What difference?
Rybot9000 3 years ago
the difference is creation. unless there is a designer, its impossible for something to come to existense without being desinged and controlled, we have dust now, why can't delicate order create another man ? btw who was the first man out of dust anyways ??
Ahsan4life 2 years ago
Do you know what "begging the question" means?
It means that the answer provided for a questions is itself begging of the question.
If everything in existence has a designer and God is existent then who designed God?
Of course when we ask any probing question "Why" or "How" (as in: Why are we here?) we assume an antecedent cause or a necessary consequent effect. The question "Why" begs itself, "Why why?".
Anyone with kids has heard the incessant "But why?". Kids' got a point!
Rybot9000 2 years ago
Some diverse reading can help to smooth out the wrinkles in creationist arguments.
I'm currently reading a variety of books. In my bag right now is "The Portable Atheist" by Christopher Hitchins and "Mankinds Search for God" by The Watchtower Society.
I've also got a CD here called "God's Amazing Love Proclaimed" and the book "God is not Great" by Hitchins. Also accompanied by "The Spiritual Brain" by Mario Beuregard and Denyse O'Leary and "Nostradamus and Other Prophets and Seers".
Rybot9000 2 years ago
Its plainly obvious to me when an individual only consumes one brand of literature. If one is always reading the Holy Bible and proponents of the creationist view, then that tends to be all that they are capable of thinking about.
Likewise, if a person always reads Hitchins and other anti-theist books then they will tend to be anti-theistic.
In my personal experience, there are some heavy teachings in the Bible, such as "A man who measures himself against other men is not wise".....
Rybot9000 2 years ago
but the creationist view is utterly absurd and IMHO unsupported by any scripture.
Indeed there are a number of concepts such as After-Life, Free-Will and Disembodied Soul that I find absolutely zero support for in any of the scripture.
The scripture describes to me exactly the opposite. There is no Human-God, there is no persistent Self/Soul, no life after death. "Eternal Life" is something entirely different, a more esoteric concept like "being dead in our sins" is not a physical death.
Rybot9000 2 years ago
That's an argument that shoots itself in the foot, because you believe a creator came into existence too without being designed and controlled, right? That idea is also suited for a universe without a designer, the only difference is, is that the universe isnt instantly complicated and capable of "creating" life, but needed a long time to produce complexity. If something really needs a creator to come into existance, an all knowing and powerful god must have had an even more complex creator.
snotverdorie 2 years ago 3
A complex and delicately balanced system? I.e. determinism?
See, this argument works until you get to the supposition that some things aren't deterministic. Such as "God", the origin of lfie and the will of human beings.
All of these things aren't "complex and delicately balanced" they are, by definition, nonsensical.
I submit that is where the theory is going to fail. But we'll see, lol.
Rybot9000 3 years ago
wow, this is so stupid. islam badly rips off Judaism, yet they get it wrong, Judaism has no problem with most aspects of evolution.
quittingtomorrow 3 years ago
I have another interesting observation. The intelligent design argument seems to be not working on the universe in the way that is presented to evolution. I mean where's the intelligent design - thins fly in empty space every which way they could. Like the strange orbits of some of the planets. Things crash all the time. Entire stars explode and crush into all eating black holes. Energy bursts seemingly out of nowhere, etc. How we should interpret this fact.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
The fact that we cannot comprehend the intelligence behind all this may be interpreted as a proof for existence of Divine being. But then we should abandon the idea that God created life, because we supposedly are able to see the intelligence behind that.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Understand, but "because we supposedly are able to see the inteligence behind tha" what do you mean here? Is it like we "have" the ability to doctrinate beyond that?
snake1mi 3 years ago
Energy is infinite, cant be created out of nowhere, nor can it disappear. But however the energy which lies in the universe must have come from another space/dimension or heaven, Im sorry if its annoying to bring religion in to the picture. As a believer I believe that the energy source itself is "God" or coming from him.
snake1mi 3 years ago
I said that this kind of metaphysical argument is absolutely ok, unless it's not advocated as scientific proof against any theory.
But I was trying with my bad English to explain that the universe does not feel like bacterial flagellum. It does not have the "machine" feeling that Intelligent design sees at cellular level.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
ddd333xxx, You are right about the methaphysical (hence non-scientific) character of the last argument. The argument cannot be attacked scientifically, but it's prone to metaphysical objections.
OBSERVE:
If universe is created by God, who created God. And If someone accept that God can exist on his own, why the Universe can't?
LeChukThePirate 3 years ago
By the way the Turkish guys got it all wrong. (I guess they produced that film. They have strong creationist group there). There is beautiful hour and a half lecture on the history of creation science and intelligent design. (See Youtube user researchchannel).
Among other interesting things, it shows that the view presented here is not an Islamic idea but originates quite long ago from Europe (1802 to be correct). And second real intelligent design says not a word about God creating the universe
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Just think about it; why dont we have eternal life? Why cant we make something that can make us live forever, something to reproduce dead cells or whatever. Ill say it straight, we will NEVER manage to make anything to make us immortal. Just think about it; if every single person in the world would live immortal, what will happen after a million year? It makes sense that we cant be immortal, its logical. But did the nature make this limit? By its own? Does the nature have a large brain?
snake1mi 3 years ago
Immortality is probably achievable scientific goal. What will happen to society then is interesting but non relevant to religion except for the part that we will institute rigid birth control...
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
I wasnt refering to religion, but logic- was logic all natural. Does the nature have a large mind which has everything under controll- or give controll to everything then leave it on its, if you know what I mean; eg the planets orbit and so on. I mean what kind of fenomenon are we talking about if theres no god or higher being? I hope Im making sense, it kinda hard for me to explain.
snake1mi 3 years ago
It's called quantum mechanics I guess. It's a fascinating field which tries to explain how the complex physical laws that govern the universe arise from relatively simple properties of the atom and it's components.
This field has some major problems, but when cleared, God will be really no more...
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
If person is concerned that science is a danger for the religion in any way, this is the real enemy then...
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
It doesnt make any sense to me;
First there was nothing, all of a sudden, there was a big boom, and things started to get shape and organisms came from nowhere, then we have different species, races... bla bla, and humans got brain snd, from mind of each individual- we know right from wrong, w have abilities to create things.... It doesnt make any sense at all. I wish I could think that way.
snake1mi 3 years ago
I want to draw some distinction here. Incomprehensible doesn't mean illogical.
For example the following mechanism of reasoning is called Aristotelian logic:
Claim: All humans are bipedal creatures.
Claim: ddd333xxx is human
Conclusion: ddd333xxx is bipedal creature.
Now that's logical and totally comprehensible.
What about that: C = t-1,i -rt
(pC + (1-p)C ) t,i+1 t,i
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
(Wow, it ate my formula, but You can look at it when You type "Binomial options pricing model" in Wikipedia). It's the value of the i-th node in a binomial tree at time step t. That tree is used for option valuation.
So I'd say it's moderately incomprehensible, but it's not less logical than the upper, because mathematics is build on some basic assumptions and formalized system of logic.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
(This is not to say that any logic system in which we feed wrong initial assumptions won't produce garbage).
To make the point: There are much things that are incomprehensible to me, but proved using some system of logical reasoning, like mathematics. Incomprehension is subjective to the observer and is not a valid scientific argument for anything.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
And incomprehension is closely related to one other idea, called irreducible complexity. How will You prove that complexity is not subjective to the observer?
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
You dont have to complicate this, it still doesnt make any sense.
Let me use a simple example of the issue Im trying to convince a believer in i higher being:
Imagine an old fashioned weigh, ok.
Lets say that both sides are empty, nothing on either side. Is it possible that one side suddenly, without any other interferense from outside force or anything, is it possible that one side elevates, just like this?
Ill be a fool if I accept that this all happened without force from outside.
snake1mi 3 years ago
This is powerful metaphysical argument I cannot disagree with. With some comments about the analogy. We don't know if really outer force was the reason for the big bang, but I believe that answering that question ultimately will be in the capabilities of the science of the future. If it's really an outer force we won't know what that outer force would be too.
But, simply not knowing something is by no means excuse this to be attributed to transcendental forces. There are many examples
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
where that thinking misled us in the past. Eugene C. Scott has a wonderful example - ferry rings. In 18th century we explained it with supernatural forces too, didn't we?
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
I dont think science will ever prove anything about it. It has to be an outer force. Somenthing not there ----> big bang. For a believer like myself, that energy/force, is God or by God. Remember, we dont think of God as a person with hands and legs. In the Quran its said that no one could imagine what God looks like, he cant be described. But we say he is light.
I hope I didnt annoy you by simplifying everything. I liked your mathematichal example, and I must say, youre intelligent.
snake1mi 3 years ago
I'd accept that as long as it's not used as argument against scientific theories. Simply not proving conclusively anything for the moment is not proof that something other is true. To be this logic right, between the two things must exist dichotomy.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
evolution is true. we already proved natural selection. some farmer was mating smaller bulls with smaller cows. after many generations he got very small cows in the size of a donkey. he did that to save food and water consumption. its probably the same with giraffes. the male that shows more strength will win and mate with the female. then he will pass his bigger genes. we already know the size and fatness of any living being is determined in the genes.
wonderfulskirt 3 years ago
we get so smart that we start confusing ourselves.
don't!
mdadnan 3 years ago
Are You to say that getting smart is bad?
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
And by the way, is there justification to believe that only because one text has not changed in a 1300+ years, everything in it is true. I think that there are many Roman and Greek texts that survived unchanged much long time. Ancient Egyptians even wrote their holy books on stone (so hardly anyone could change them).
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
But this does not mean God exists or do not exist. Science could not prove or disprove that by any means. Science is about exploring the world that is presented in front of our senses and mind trough observation and logic. And science can prove trough observation and logic that the holy books of all the major religions are in fact full of things that contradict our senses and logic.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
There are three interpretations of that fact:
1. To insist that it's normal our senses and logic to deceive us and conceal the real world, because God wanted them to.
2. To insist that we live in a great computer, called Matrix, that has created the world in front of our senses, including the holy books and everything, only to deceive us that we are used as a batteries.
3. To accept that one way or the other, we will get only what we can perceive trough senses and accept it for the real world.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Science is associated with the third view. But anyone is free to choose whatever he likes. Just don't mix things. If You are to disprove Evolution Theory trough scientific evidence and scientific reasoning, do not sneak "God- deceives-our-senses-to-mock-Scientists" arguments into scientific debates.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Because I'll answer it with the claim that it's not God that deceives us, it's the Matrix
:-).
Leave the Evolution alone. Science and Religion do not mix if You practice them the RIGHT WAY.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Actually they do. If you believe in Science, then it's your duty to put everything you believe to its test, and because religion disallows you from testing it (by saying it's not scientifically falsifiable, of course), you must choose one or the other.
InsideOutAnus 3 years ago
I Love it .
casaislamica 3 years ago
To deny evolution is to deny science.
kjhgl1 3 years ago
not entirely...science, evolution: Allah's perfect plan....think about it.
omsivoham 3 years ago
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What's that supposed to mean?
kjhgl1 3 years ago
This whole video series is intellectual poison. Confronted by a black mamba and a Creationist, I do not fear the mamba, rather I shut my eyes and ears and hope that my mind is not contaminated by the complete baseless bullshit the Creationist utters.
Every Creationist believes he or she serves the one and only God, and that God and his religion is the made purely out of peace, prosperity, tolerance and wisdom. The latter however, cannot be true, as he forgot to design a brain for his followers.
EineKleineAtheist 3 years ago
If Allah created the earth then who created Allah?
ercooper 3 years ago
nothing can come out of nothing, so God was always there. But i see your point, we can never comprehend that secret. Maybe when we are in the next life?? Insha'Allah
omsivoham 3 years ago
Take it this way: God cannot be compared with other living creatures, furthermore he has no time no begining and no limit/end. God is not a person, creating stuff out of his bare hands as we often associate with God. Its surely much more than that- sort of the ultimate energy coming from the ultimate being. But unfortunately the human mind has its limits, so its hard for some to swallow this. Its hard to even imagine. So we try to answer mysteries with false science to satisfy ourself,
snake1mi 3 years ago
It figures that Muslim creationists would be just as bad as the Christian ones.
lazyass86 3 years ago 2
interesting, I'd like to watch the remaining of this series. Thank you for sharing this video, and practicing your right of freedom of speech :-)
bathooon 3 years ago
There are always sufficient people to believe the nonsense which the creationists dish out. Make a nice MTV-Type of video with loads of animation and what do we get: Nothing that can withstand rational thinking and justified questioning and criticism. As soon as the creationists are being confronted with that it all boils down to "infidels" "non-believers" and "satans followers". Not convincing at all.
digitaltraveler62 3 years ago
Ok; first of all, the first few seconds show that you don't know what you're talking about. As soon as the "Origin of Life" slide came up, I knew this was a trash video. Why? Because the theory of evolution does not deal with the origin of LIFE at all. It deals with the origin of different species. And all those animals that are so "perfectly designed"? What a load of crap. All species have their flaws.
Evolution has been accepted by, I'd say, 90% of the scientific community now. Maybe more.
ibphs01 3 years ago
What came first, the chicken or the egg??
Evolution theory and the arts orogin. Write that on a paper, dip it in water, then drink it. Scientist are crazy to believe that everything came out from nothing.
snake1mi 3 years ago
the chicken cause it was first created by god
AhmedAlwaeli 3 years ago
In fact it was the egg, for sufficient DNA sequence mutations in the gametes of the pre-chicken species (oh yes, they existed) resulted in new alleles that would alter the species' phenotypes into what we recognize as a chicken.
esaberkh 3 years ago
"the temperature range, orbital properties... show that this planet was designed to accomadate life" WRONG life developed, adapted, and will continue to adapt to meet these conditions. Other planets may not support the same life that Earth supports, but they can all support life which is adapted for that particular planet.
notme98 3 years ago
i agree with esaberkh, being a progressive muslim myself, please do not share 'your' views without sufficient material to provide a somewhat credible foundation upon which you present this so called 'collapse of evolution'
marzbar619 3 years ago
Wow. Please do not promote your religious propaganda under the guise of a scientific documentary -- it's incredibly insulting.
esaberkh 3 years ago
I don't go around trying to collapse your set of beliefs, why are you trying to do so to mine?
Attempting to put down science is the equivalent to me burning a Qur'an.
pimpinpollys 3 years ago 2
What a load of bullocks. IS there anything to support this fairytale? Not there isn't, you only have your "faith", which means nothing.
TheRealKiang 3 years ago
i must say i don't understand why theist are so scared of evolution. does evolution which is a fact prove that god doesn't exist? no it doesn't. it just proves their religion is wrong and fabricated, which it is. i don't personaly believe but nobody knows and never will.
329ghr 3 years ago 2
Your Right Evolution doesn't prove there is no god, but it proves the quran is wrong
benalissa284632 3 years ago
your right and i already said evolution does prove all religions are wrong not just the quran.
329ghr 3 years ago
but for some reason all religious books adopted changes major or minor in previous thousands of years. Quran is the only religious book that is still the same.
mdadnan 3 years ago
theory and prove science are two different things
snake1mi 3 years ago
You meant to say "theory and proved* science..." You're correct about that. However, theories provide testable predictions that can be verified through empirical observation. This is why evolution is a solid theory, for it testable and observable through scientific experimentation. HOWEVER, Creationism/intelligent design (whatever you want to call it) cannot even be considered a theory, for it is not testable or observable. It is not scientific. Therefore, evolution is the BEST answer.
esaberkh 3 years ago
it's*
esaberkh 3 years ago
The concept of religion; believers will win and know all the truth.
But if we think scientific way about the beginning, we can NEVER prove what existed first and from where that existence came from. I mean if we say that the basics of everything is nucleons and so on, where did this all come from; Or if we discover that theres a large wall at the "end" of the universe. Scientists will still ask what that wall is and whats behind the wall, catch my drift?
snake1mi 3 years ago
Exactly. There will be at least two major groups of people. First one will tell You that beyond the wall there is God, creator of all living things etc. and on the other side will be a group of people that will ask "How a wall at the end of the universe proves anything at all, let alone the God, creator of all living things etc."
Not to mention that there will be a group that will claim that this wall is a proof for existence of aliens and government knew that all along.
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
To make a point - the only real limitation in our world is our mental capacity. And I'm worried because real science becomes more and more incomprehensible for the average person.
Look at the evolution debate. No average person can know let alone judge for himself the evidence. And one of the two sides heavily exploits that fact. ....
ddd333xxx 3 years ago
Allahu akbar..
MuslimAmerican4 3 years ago
Evolution has not collapsed.
hcatbu 4 years ago 12
and as the evidence to its support continues to flow in each day, it never will. oh yes, tweaks may be made, but the overall model of evolution will not crumble because evolution itself is a fact.
sheepwshotguns 3 years ago 3
Agreed
Clarkzor 3 years ago
OMG, how full of crap can you be? How about watching Richard Dawkins's christmas lecture for starters and only after that start to post this unintelligent nonsense around. You do not have to think too hard to see which one is more reliable..
M1kk0P01k4 4 years ago
Don't be silly, the world was created perfectly by the spaghetti monster. I KNOW BECUSE I HAVE FAITH. How else could it possibly be. I mean besides the fact that the dinosours died out so it can't be too good a system, and of course it's really messy and inefficient in places. Makes you wonder what a crap god he must have ben to createe such a pile of wahoozie.
eiskrystal 4 years ago 3
all praise the spaghetti monster and his almighty noodly appendage!
ThatBloke20 3 years ago 9
@ThatBloke20
you are sleeping it is time to wake up from darwinism
Sunnergy 1 year ago
RAMEN!
Duffman0 3 years ago