(9/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

[678CoLoGne678]

"Liberation" of the Crimea? o.Ô ...more a change of power...

[gamesbok]

Sevastapol looks like a nice place. Plenty of sunshine, especially indoors.

[JIMY45GR]

meinstein was not in hitlers favor .. if a general faile d he was not good.. 

[toffanful]

Tricky Fox: Just a few stats. Soviet war dead in May 1945 was 8.3 million on Eastern Front. German war dead on Eastern front was 3.6 million. (not counting Rumanian, Hungarian, Slovak, Italian and Finnish losses. Soviets lost 3.4 million of their soldiers in ist 9 months of the war. Do the math. Hitler had a population of over 300 million to draw fro,. Stalin had his rump state of 130 million. Myths of Soviet hordes and 20:1 death ratios are exactly that. Myths.

[skofuzen]

@toffanful Not sure if serious.

[gpvx2007]

Manstein is the best; he engineered the German victory over France by crossing the ardennes forest hills. using a sickle cut stroke which resulted in France capitulation whom had superior number of men & tanks compared to the invaders. thus allowing Rommel & Guderian become popular as their panzer divisions raced to the English Chanel.

[konman001]

What bothers me about this episode is that it seems to concentrate on German side of the story. . . very few videos or dialogue showing Russian side of the story.

[tjhoenecke]

@konman001 See my earlier comments on a previous installment on this battle. Also, documentaries on the war in Russia tend to come from the German perspective because of the sheer audacity of it. The Germans were vastly outnumbered in terms of men and tanks, but with better training, leadership, and tactics, they almost managed to topple the USSR. Kind of hard to ignore that in favor of covering mostly human wave tactics with little regard for losses.

[tjhoenecke]

@konman001 See my earlier comments on a previous installment on this battle. Also, documentaries on the war in Russia tend to come from the German perspective because of the sheer audacity of it. The Germans were vastly outnumbered in terms of men and tanks, but with better training, leadership, and tactics, they almost managed to topple the USSR. It took the Russians three years to cover the same territory the Germans covered in six months. Kind of hard to overlook that.

[konman001]

@tjhoenecke - When I lived in Poland in the 80s, I saw plenty of WWII footage shot by the Russian side.

I agree that early in WW2 Russians lacked leadership (thanks to dumbass Stalin and his pre-war purges) but later on great talent like Zhukov or Chuikov got a chance at the helm and turned things around. Russians also had the T-34 - overall best tank in WW2.

I agree that Germans had great leadership & training but they also had their share of idiot commanders - Hitler being the biggest one.

[tjhoenecke]

@konman001 Not arguing about that. Just pointing out when you have a wealth of documentation -- literally, not just film, mind you -- from one side, and next to nothing from the other (Stalin kept those sorts of statistics and such a closely guarded state secret), you're sort of stuck having to tell the tale from a particular vantage point.

[shanghaibenny2]

@tjhoenecke

The Allies, possibly British, faked documents and leaked them to the Russians about a plot Stalin's generals were hatching to destroy him. Uncle Joe, as he was known among American government officials, swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

[daburgamasta99]

I think you didn't listen properly. Manstein wasn't in Command any more when the russians attacked the Crimea. He had been sacked by Hitler a year earlier. So it is not really possible to judge Mansteins performance against the soviet onslaught.

[vikruss]

He just proofs my previous point about Mainstein wisdom. Ones he lost his ability to get fresh reinforcements this guy was capable of nothing. And Germans, by 1943(after Kursk) were almost incapable to re supply their manpower due to a huge losses. But where did you hear about it in this great video?

[choop3004]

Praising the opponent when you defeat them is a smart way to honor yourself... because it means you've defeated an enemy THAT good. Well, maybe you're not that smart enough to understand that.

And I regret to inform you that you should find somewhere else to undermine Manstein, Battlefield series, and HoustonGD for that matter, because you have added no effort in this. I'm sorry.

[TheTrickyFox1976]

Interesting view, as an analysis made by the allies came to the conclusion (in 1944) that if they face german soldiers on equal term, the germans would win every time. The losses on the Russian front were something like 20 russians per 1 german soldier. Manstein was probably one of the worlds greatest military strategists. Sadly so on the side of the bad guys. So your statement is flawed.

[vikruss]

I agree with our thinking in some way. But, once Russian generals got some expireince and Stalin let them do more of what they would do and how they would do, then you do no see Mainstein any more. Cause he started to loose and Hitler took him out of control... very simple.

[TheTrickyFox1976]

Indeed, the earlier looses by the Russias were mainly Stalins fault, having purged his officer core and not tried to do anything to improve his situation by 1941. And ofc, brilliant minds like Patton, Manstein, Yamamoto and Tjujkov can only do so much. Stalin did listen to his senior commanders and took their advice, Hitler did not, so indeed you make a valid point.

[MrPA2009]

@TheTrickyFox1976 Probably most of the Russian deaths were in the beginning of the war and by Stalin's interference. They had inflicted heavier casualties on the Germans as well later in the war. In Operation Bagration the kill ratio was 4 Germans per 1 Russian.

[skofuzen]

@vikruss Maybe if you'd paid attention to the documentary you'd realize how full of shit you are.

[iarion]

During the Soviet offensive and the subsequent retreat to Sevastopol, the 17th Army lost 12,221 Germans and 17,652 Romanians until 16 April 1944. In total 73,058 people reached safety in Romania during the first phase of the evacuation: 28,394 Germans, 20,779 Romanians, 723 Slovaks, 15,055 Russian volunteers, 2,559 POWs and 3,748 civilians.

[2bn442RCT]

Thanks for the imput!

[grannman]

Quite interesting to have the rolls completely reversed now the German's defending.