"Just realise your ordinary self and sence the divine dance."
All the ordinary selves with their 5 senses fully operational sense no divinity. And if you sense anything divine, it is not sourced from the 5 senses, but your Self.
All people experience the world through the 5 senses continually and are unhappy. Nobody experiences life fully through the five senses. For that reason every few hours human beings crave to turn off the 5 senses and completely forget the unsatisfactory world, retreating again to the whole and complete Self.
The "ordinary self" most experience is nothing but the dualistic monkey-mind teeming with fears, attractions, repulsions, and chronic dissatisfaction. You and others watch television, or read books, to try to relieve it's pain and escape its unsatisfactory nature (or take drugs.) Your monkey-mind is no more satisfactory. Thus why you crave sleep each evening. (So you can experience the transcendental and become refreshed.) But purue your dualistic monkey-mind as usual. It's of no consequence.
Further, the fact that chastity and God-devotion create sensed, seen, and experienced upgrade of the outer world-miasm is provable to one's self, with the mere 5 outer senses. Boring materialists should try to at least think once a year.
But the five sense don't satisfy deeper men. Men and women, though having the full five senses become dispirited, depressed, and desperate. There is no salvation or bliss in the 5 senses. What humans seek and crave is bliss. In your material path that requires drugs and still doesn't work.
Moreover, the God-seeker get supernatural senses, including supernatural smell, sound, etc. These things (heard, seen, and smelled etc.) are far more entrancing than your boring 5 senses that end with death.
@Lancashirefolk -- Further, the transitory realities experienced in the dream state, and the senses experienced there, are far more satisfying than the transitory experiences of the gross waking state. All phenomena, whether waking or dreaming, is transitory. But anything experienced is reality in human terms. This is elementary.
@DivineFellowship The five Elements and five sences combined are the Lord and Lady which dance upon Swan Lake, but by experiencing things through the sences, by defining your existence by them alone without attaching words which diminish from the imminent experience, you live more fully. No drugs required. Just realise your ordinary self and sence the divine dance.
To get a spiritual experience sit in an empty old Christian church, bigger the better, and ponder "akasa." (Infinite space.) In the Upanishads, infinite space (akasa) is one of the first evolutes of Pure Consciouness (Brahman). It is also synonymous with Brahman (God.) The old churches are built in a way that evokes akasa (Infinite space, Brahman). Even the reverb that comes from the stone evokes akasa. Baha'is meet in crummy, cramped office rooms. Not the akasa-evoking spaces of the Christians.
And such teachings, inherent to Hinduism, Vedanta, Yoga, and even Buddhism -- cannot be found in the Baha'i Faith. Wherever there may be hints of such teachings in the primitive Islamic viewpoint of Baha'u'llah, Bahai' are disinterested in them.
The exact truth is that Brahman (Pure Consciousness) can create anything, exactly you do in nightly dream, and that P. Consciousness likewise created your individual "jiva" bound by conditioning. The truth is that by meditation on Pure Consciousness you can become free of that jiva's limitations and know Pure Consciousness directly. This is yoga, this is religion, that's the exact truth. As to the world, the Yoga-Vasistha says:
"However the mind conceives 'the order' to be, the order becomes."
Icke rips off the Vedantic idea of the exterior world as a "dream" so he can pose as Mr. Spirituality. Meanwhile he terrorizes everybody with his own particular brand of nasty nightmare. He says the "aliens" feed off of sexual energy, but meanwhile attacks morality as "anti-woman" and attacks the church which taught sexual self-mastery.
If you google "David Icke twit" you will find my article at ThePhora where I give my general views on Icke.
@DivineFellowship to be honest, I would like to move ahead. Icke is surely not interesting enough. His aliens statements talk of detachment of reality (sure alien exists, but he sure knows nothing about them). I know everything I need to know about him. The truth is elsewhere. Icke is not the truth.
The first ueful truth is: The external world-dream is self generated. The 2nd useful truth: That self-purification automatically upgrades/heals the self-generated world dream. This is basically Buddhism, Vedanta, and Yoga. So saving the world occurs automatically by self-purification. Self-purification involves chastity, meditation, God-devotion, and fasting, etc. This is basic religion. It's all lost in Baha'i. Getting external beings to say "we are one" does not end world problems.
One of the most basic human tendencies is to conspire. I've had bosses who conspire, and co-workers who conspired. My kids conspire, my ex-wife conspired, even my dog used to conspire. You conspire. How much more bankers, people in government, and business men. "I do not believe in conspiracy theories" is like saying "I don't believe anybody conspires." Silly.
Most crimes start out as conspiracies then become successful. Almost all solutions to crimes start with conspiracy theory, proved true.
@DivineFellowship It is true. I have said "I don't believe in conspiracy theories", it was an over simplification. There sure are conspiracies, but it can't be easy to figure them out. I cannot just take everything a David Icke or worse Alex Jones for granted. I need to see things with my eyes (my inner eyes).
@duckotaco -- Of course, of course. I believe that Alex Jones points to true things but also carefully misdirects people, avoiding pointing at certain things. I also believe his purpose is as a "discharge valve" so people get lulled into complacency thinking "something's happening" and there's still "free speech." I think if anybody started organizing, Jones would attack them. (He's actually done that.) Icke, he's a pifflewit. He plays "spiritual" man but has no dharma.
@DivineFellowship well, then if you know someone who knwos the exact truth, point him to me - I have been looking for him hard, but haven't found him. Again, I don't think anyone except David Rockefeller or Obama know some truly interesting things that would open our eyes in the matter, and make us go "aaaaah, now I understand". I know collapse is happening, but I don't know who wanted it and why. If you know it tell me.
@duckotaco some things that are OBVIOUSLY kept secret. Maybe high grade freemasons know them, maybe CIA agents know them...I don't know anything. God knows how much I would LIE to know them, but I don't. So I'm not here saying that I have figured it out. I haven't. I wish I have. And no I don't think Alex Jones tells the truth. Sure, some things - also an idiot says some true things.
@duckotaco Alex Jones and Icke can be PART of the problem at the most. See, if somebody really says the truth, since the miasm is there, then the miasm KILLS him, period. That's why we have noone saying the truth. The truth has been killed. Italian intellectual Pasolini knew many truths - killed. It's a mafia, heck. People who talk get killed. Micheal Jackson, knew many inner working and conspiracies of the music industry. Gone.
@duckotaco If Icke was saying something so amazingly true and enlightening, then the O2 arena would NOT host is sold out comedy. It is comedy, fiction, not truth.
In this world and democracy people aren't allower to speak the truth. This is a fact to me, the order of the day. That is why this democracy and world are heavy on free thinkers and truth bearers.
@duckotaco -- Yes. Icke would say something true and useful if he said:
"The manifestations of demons, NWO, and such directly arises from your own personal lust, just as Buddha said."
That would be really helpful. However, he can't say that because 1) He doesn't know it, and 2) he likes free-sex. (Or that is my impression from his writings. Morality is "oppression of the godduss.")
@DivineFellowship It is OBVIOUS to me, for example, that even if I haven't see its papers, a conspiracy to make people DUMB through the media exists. I smell the cake; there's a cake and I'm not the only one smelling it. I just haven't seen the cake with my eyes.
And Ruhi in baha'i faith, is conspiracy to make them obiedient and mellow and uncapable of criticism, and the UHJ is willingly making the believers dumb. I suppose that what happens in the small world happens...
Do you know the word "miasm"? It's from homeopathy. A miasm seeking central control and a "new world order," and world government, definitely exists. "Miasm" does not even refer to conscious, external forces. And many persons and orgs do exist that CONSCIOUSLY work for total control and a so-called "NWO." Similar to the communists, the invalidation and subjugation of parental authority -- and the father is the greatest parental authority -- are explicit (I said explicit) parts of their policy.
@DivineFellowship and this is what I am looking into. Miasm. Good word. I don't know much about this miasm yet, it is enveloped in mistery. Sure I would like to know more, about the miasm. I am certainly ignorant about its dynamics. I am just observing and seeing where the key is. But I can't trust anyone, or conspiracy theorists just because what they say is sci-fi.
Of course the B. Faith is a brilliant marketing package for progressive and Whites with too much White-guilt from watching the Jewtube.
That's all it's ever been. How could the B. Faith end up the B. Faith when they were prevented from having their founding "Book of Laws" for 150 years. (Now it embarasses them and they abrogate it all away or give loopholes to everything.)
The B. Faith is a cultural movement created by Marxists to deracinate people and destroy nations.
Hey, good comment! Baha'i has the ability to revise itself. Our basic tenets contain investigation of the truth, consultation, and voting. Also our approach to the treatment of homosexuals is revising in the Baha'i Faith, just as it is in the material world. The Baha'i Faith is an organic and an adaptive way of life. REMARKABLE, isn't it?
@MrKathijustman - Baha'i should definetely revise itself! Who are these people to judge homosexuals? I don't want to know what homosexuals get up to and don't agree with the way alot of homosexuals behave but if homosexuals are good people and have talent they can contribute to the betterment of the world.
@Steven170890 -- Intelligent people must use their judgement. Homosexuality is unnatural, non-procreative, perverse, caused by psychological deprivation (such as lack of fathering), destructive to the body, disease-carrying, etc. Use your judgement at all times.
@DivineFellowship - Yes, intelligent people should use their judgment, but Baha'is are told to believe that homosexuality is all the things that you say. You're right, people should their judgment at all times, but Baha'is aren't really allowed to do this because of the whole no backbiting thing - and they'll use "oh we are all born sinners" as an excuse.
@DivineFellowship increasing homesexuality seems to be part of "the plan" made by a shadowy "something or someone" (?) to utterly make this society shit and then destroy it. It is evident that most homosexuals are so because they are immensely conditioned by society. It sure isn't a free choice in most cases, but a choice of societal slavery and conformism.
The rise in homoexuality corresponds to the rise of single mothers and divorce. The old psychological explanation for homosexuality is true: They often have a broken relationship with their fathers starting young & don't get male bonding thus male identity. Thus a craving for relationship with a male (a non-sexual craving at first) starts young. This is a central cause. The propaganda only helps it along. NWO wants fathers to be obsolete, thus NWO threw out that old and valid theory.
@DivineFellowship yes man but even though I had a healthy childhood I can tell you that I have been ASKED TO TURN GAY the whole fuckin' time and that I was going to have problems if I said no, and so it was. Social shunning etc. I have received a social pressure to become gay, and many I know turned gay because of IT. They were going to be alone if they didn't become gay. There is no space here to describe exactly how it happens but you're smart enough to figure it out, anyway
@DivineFellowship it doesn't matter much how people become gay, the result is the same. Psychological factors and social pressure interact with each other of course.
The question that arises here is WHY a NWO would want fathers to be obsolete, what would be the point. The result is simply a crazy and uncontrollable society - how is our present society easily controllable? The amount of protesters and unhappiness is considerable. Almost everyone is unhappy and aggressive...
@DivineFellowship therefore is homosexuality and feminism where propaganded in order to usher this or that...you should tell me HOW. I don't see how feminism and homosexuality HELP anyone. To me they're just biproducts of conditioned stupidity and insecurity, THAT, stupidity, was willingly propaganded. Not sure about homosexuality. But maybe I'm wrong. I just don't have proofs of that yet. Does anyobody have them? I don't believe things just because somebody said them
@DivineFellowship "NWO wants fathers to be obsolete". Maybe, but I have no proof of that. I dont believe anyone except the elite really knows what happened and way. In a word: I do not believe in conspiracy theories. And a world governement could really be "inevitable" once all coutries are connected, so either all connections are put down and we'll see a reborn of "villages" and small community life, all races on their own, or we'll have the NWO. What I DON'T want is...
@duckotaco ...the BIG BROTHER (wich we have already) and the lack of respect for individual rights. Baha'i faith part of the big brother agenda while believers are completely unaware of so? Possible. Is there any other option? To be honest my friend, I think democracy isn't going anywhere and dictatorship/monarchies/oligarchies are the only possible remedy to chaos. Democracy is a farse. Now, is it possible to have order and freedom too? I don't know. It's a very complex matter
@duckotaco what I know is that here and now a free individual CANNOT be part of organized religions of any sort, because that represses his own freedom. What the free man, whom is pretty rare, should and must do is become part of the elite, so the mass will be enslaved and happy of so, because they don't value/need individual freedom much - they don't think anyway. In the meantime he will be free, and even telling others what to do. I see no other that is somewhat a win-win solution
@duckotaco a more "anarchic" way of life where eveyone is perfectly happy and free would be possible only if the world population will veyr much decrease such as the Georgia guidestones state. Half a billion people world wide, period. Reason. Logic. Livable world. That is the solution. I'm ok with world governement, but with certain premises. I don't deem it bad in its core idea. It is the only way forward unless electricity becomes unavailable and so communication between countries.
@duckotaco If this happens like many are afraid it will, then a lot of people will die anyway, and there won't be a "world order", but simply a restart of civilization. No world order needed. The world order will always be an "imperfect" one, with no true win-win. I don't think win-win is really possible. Some will "abuse" others, and that's it. We actually need to get back to a clear division of social classes. Democracy is the worst thing possible, lose-lose for almost everyone.
@duckotaco therefore I see people getting back to villages with a CLEAR social scale and respect for the elders, OR a global village with the SAME EXACT premise: social order, and not marxist omologation. Social classes, and people who are above and people who are down and shut the fuck up. Not everyone will be allowed to be arrogant; but kings, have GOT to be arrogant and be and know they're superior to do their job. But arrogance of the fools is the most terrible ignorance and evil.
@duckotaco and democracy is just that; delusion of grandeour of masses of ignorant fools. Democracy is cultural and social triumph and rule of the fools. I don't want that. I want fools to suck. That's the world I desire. I do not think fools don't exist or do no harm, and I do not think it is nice and good to have them around and that they should be repected as more evolved people. I want evolved people to have more and the others, less. Objective meritocracy is the only justice
@duckotaco in democracy, intelligence, skill and maturity are not really valued. And so is reason. FORCE is valued. The Georgia guidestones want a "new age of reason", that is what I want. I want a society of logic and reason, it doesn't have to be founded on spirituality - spirituality is to me exquisitely PERSONAL and INDIVIDUAL, and not a COMMUNITY thing, since it is hard to find two men with the same spiritual needs and status. also, it is impossible to CALCULATE it objectively.
@duckotaco (by men. Only a God can know wo is above and who below as for spiritual station). Intelligence and skill are instead OBJECTIVELY quantifiable, but not everyone can do so: democracy very often allows for fools to decide who wins and who loses, making unjustice rule. Again it is based on force and luck; in democracy, not the best not the smartest, but often the idiot can rule over the superior. That is why only DICTATORSHIP of a wise man can bring some justice on earth.
@MrKathijustman -- Were Baha'is supposed to start "revising" their Book of Laws before they even started practicing them? From all the unctious, lofty, commanding, and dire language of Baha'u'llah in the Book of Laws, I don't think so. The Book of Laws is already a joke.
"Also our approach to the treatment of homosexuals is revising in the Baha'i Faith, just as it is in the material world."
Yeah, one thing that made me leave the B. Faith was seeing they didn't really live differently than anybody else in the corrupt world. But if they are starting to get corrupt regarding homosexuality now, they are really slipping. Baha'u'llah considered homosexuality so disgusting that he didn't want to even mention it in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, though he did.
"My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquility of its peoples. The well being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." Baha'u'llah
I am a Baha'i and I love my religion. I don't intended to sway anyone's opinion, merely give my own as a follower of Baha'u'llah. Progressive Revelation is a fundemental basis of the Baha'i Faith stating that God, through his various manifestations, has made his will known to mankind. Each manifestation brings new knowledge that advances the capacities of mankind. It is a linear process. As the progression of mankind continues, so does to progression of the word of God. Allah'u'Abha!
I am a Baha'i and I love my religion. I don't intended to sway anyone's opinion, merely give my own as a follower of Baha'u'llah. Progressive Revelation is a fundemental basis of the Baha'i Faith stating that God, through his various manifestations, has made his will known to mankind. Each manifestation brings new knowledge that advances the capacities of mankind. It is a linear process. As the progression of mankind continues, so does to progression of the word of God. Allah'u'Abha!
The term "most brilliantly marketed" implies the Baha'i Faith is selling something, which it is not. We simply want to share what we believe is the best news to hit the planet in more than 1,000 years! Unfortunately, this video contains inaccurate and misleading statements, evidently because the poster is not a Baha'i. If you want to know the truth, it's best to go to the source. You can read exactly what Baha'u'llah said for yourself.
The Baha'i Faith attempts to sell itself, and get people to "join" and "declare" and add themselves to the roles. Don't jive talk us. The B. Faith is a promotional package with little connection to it's founders or founding scriptures. "Equality of Men and Women" is nowhere in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Hidden Words, or Iqan -- the 3 most important scriptures. Neither are most things on the "10 basic teachings" card. That's because they put together a package that would "sell" to progressives.
@DivineFellowship but, as most "TOO impure" actions, it wasn't really effective. Was it. No, it wasn't. And it won't be.
Reality accepts and welcomes pure actions. This is not a world were unjustice triumphs every single time. This is a world where one learns to be moral and intelligent to survive and succeed, while immoral and stupid people kill themselves in ghettos. And today's cities are nothing but huge ghettos.
Morality is nothing but intelligence and selfpreservation
Your "Progressive revelation" theory is garbage. The contents of the Yoga-Sutra and Bhagavad-Gita, about 5,000 years old, are far more sophisticated, complete, and profound than anything in the B. Faith. (How to still the mind through meditation, know God directly in samadhi, attain siddhis, end suffering.) The Baha'i "Book of Laws" should be the "primitive" thing from 5,000 years ago; the Yoga-Sutra the more advanced texts. Baha'is will never comprehend those texts. It's way beyond them.
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There is an incredible dichotomy between the presentation of the Baha'i Faith by believers and the actual writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah which are really quite violent, sexist, prejudice, and ignorant of science.
sheeple are lost and scared, and becaues they left behind their own religion to explore something new, they feel like they can fill the emptiness and void. Bahai'ism is a new age religion given the sheeple to guide them into servitude and to enjoy serving the new world government agenda. good luck all with that !!!
And among the teachings of Baha'u;ll'ah is that religion must be in conformity with science and reason,so that it may influence the hearts of men. The foundation must be solid and must not consist of imitations. -'Abdu'l-Bah'a Whats your opinion on this statement? rep by video:)
Plus, I do not believe in 'progessive revelation' because it is very obviously hidden triumphalism, and being a devotee has always taught me that besides Vaishnavism, there is always going to be a melange of philosophical conceptions, of which God gives a variety of paths to Him. There is no black and white; only grey, and out of all the religions, I feel that being a Baha'i presupposes the most triumphalistic attitude because of being the 'latest'.
Bryan Parry, remember me? I said that you were cute, heheheh...
Anyways, I have left the Baha'i Faith from its stance on homosexuality and its fanatical belief in the Nine Member Assembly as so divinely inspired that any doubt on their decisions is considered worthy of called a Covenant-Breaker.
@sirach Hey there! Yes, I do remember everyone who flatters my ego...!
Glad to hear you have left over those grounds. The church's stance on homosexuality, as I understand it, is the typical gibberish you find in various "liberal" religions. Know where you're gonna go/wind up now? Had any issues with other members because of your leaving?
@BryanAJParry Well, funny you say, because I have been a Krishna devotee (Hare Krishna) for about 2 1/2 years now. It's been so long ago... but the Vedic religion (Vaishnavism) has always had a tolerance for gays and lesbians Scripturally, even if some of the devotees are not. It is one of the oldest organised religions in the world with vast cultural intricacies, and the most important, Krishna loves me unconditionally. :)
@BryanAJParry When I left the Faith, I had some tell me I was leaving because I was being selfish (in not helping humanity), of being backwards for following an older religion, and that I was being stubborn for not being a celibate gay Baha'i. Nothing on a national or international level, but if I knew they considered being gay a mental disease (Baha'u'llah never said that; follower Shoghi Effendi did) and that they believe in shunning 'Covenant-Breakers' I would have left before I even came.
@BryanAJParry Another problem I had was 'teaching' the Faith, which was really disguised preaching. They would use 'English classes' to Ruhi book circles and Devotionals to lure people as well as mentioning the social teachings like equality and humanism (and then the laws and Covenant later, when they become a Baha'i). At least as a Krishna devotee, when we preach, we don't pretend to hide it under teaching' the Faith,' awaiting the day that people will 'enter by troops' or a mass conversion.
@thermionic1234567 Well... the Baha'i Faith says that homosexuality isn't inherently wrong. Fornication/Adultery/Rape is. Two people of the same gender can't be married. That's it. Someone can have a homosexual and chaste relationship.
Sodomy, as in anal or oral sex is okay between married people.
I believe that the next Manifestation will adjust this as in 850+ years we will be more liberal. :P
@Volcarona32 -- What is a "homosexual and chaste relationship." Either they are being sexual or they aren't. Baha'u'llah did not say "Homosexuality is inherently wrong." His one reference to it, in the "Book of Laws," indicated he considered it so disgusting that it was beneath him to even mention it. He said:
"We are ashamed to mention the commandments regarding boys," (Most homosexuality involved older men and boys.) He considered it beneath him to even address the subject of homoexuality.
"Sodomy, as in anal or oral sex is okay between married people."
You have no morals or conscience. Sodomy and anal sex between married people is sin, is perversion, is disgusting, unnatural, and brings divine punishment. Anal sex is gay sex. If a man wants to force his generative organ into his wife's anus, the place of shit, where no procreation can happen, and not even a sexual place for her, which damages his organ -- he is a pervert, an incipient homosexual, and taking on a demonic nature.
@Volcarona32 -- Check out this disgusting degenerate's web page. And he seems to be very tuned into the B. Faith. Sad what's happened to these people since their Book of Laws was kept from them from the gitgo. They have nothing.
Baha'is will be embracing sodomy and moral sin, have no doubt. When you can't even have access to your Book of Laws for 150 years, how can you become the Baha'i Faith? Now that they have it, they find it embarrassing and only want to create loopholes and abrogations for it. Even if that were not the case, their Book Of Laws does not contain even near the moral guidance that mankind requires. He gives instructions about wearing sable and hunting with a falcon, but nothing about abortion or porn.
what is mysterious about bahaism? its just another organised religion, that tries to differentiate itself from others by seeming to make itself compatible with other monotheistic religions even if those religions contradict each other or have no real common view, its a really silly and asinine concept, thats been done to death over the last 2000 years.
You have a very twisted opion about Bahai and it doesn't make sense, your ideas are interesting but your proof is tainted and formed to compliment your argument. Your really wrong about some of the things you've said about what baha'is beleive.
DUDE ! just become a bahai!stop fighting it. The Father dosent need an MBA to conduct buisiness on earth! As you said urself its the best it gets at this point:Dnice post, keep them coming!
I'm a former Bahai (now a non-theist). The faith might seem very "marketable". But any thinking person who investigates deeply will eventually find its distortions and contradictions unsavory; just like any other religious dogma. That's been my experience anyway...
I now define myself as a Gaudiya Vaishnava in practice, and somewhat of a Unitarian Universalist at heart. I used to be a Baha'i of the Haifan variety, and have been somewhat hurt by the impersonalism of the Haifan Faith.
In any case, I hope that one truly understands the nature of the Haifan Baha'i Faith, before they join their ranks...
In a strange way Sirach, that's how I view the Unitarian Universalists; as "reform Bahai" Faith practitioners. I know that it's not logical. But I have recently "joined" the Unitarians and I'm finding that the thirst that drove me to enter the Haifan faith has (thus far) been quenched for me on the UU path. I'm finding that my current root spiritual definition may fall, most famously, along the lines of Yogaswami; the Dravidian/Tamil sage of the 20th century (i.e. Saiva Siddhantic). Peace!
Well, the 'Reform Bahai Faith' is a legitimate group, stemming from their liberality in that they believe that Baha'u'llah wanted everyone to have freedom of conscience and belief, and that the Bahai Faith is not an organisation, nor a dictatorship, but a Faith with a universal Cause for all mankind.
They question the WAT of Abdu'l-Baha, and claim that it is up to the individual to pray over the Scriptures and to find out the meaning thereof rather than on a certain group of individuals.
Being a Gaudiya Vaishnava in practice and belief, I have found some elements of UUism that I always liked. I thought that they definitely encapsulate the great spiritual master of our movement, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, who was a universalist at heart when it came to Krishna consciousness. He taught that the principles of bhakti yoga, loving devotion, could be found in all the great religions, and that all share the same Universal Father: Krishna, Jehovah, Allah, Waheguru, etc.
It's funny though, how so many wonderful saints and spiritual paths embody the social principles of the Haifan Baha'i Faith, as well as even the spiritual ones. One needs only embark upon them and shine them to the world.
LOL, and I just find that Shaiva-Vaishnava exchange just hilarious!
And what if you don't see the "satan" part of the religion. What if all there is is the Angel of Light. Is it still evil? ...point to the "devil" part of these religions and I'll try to see your point.
We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He [Jesus Christ] it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.
are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit. We testify that when He [Jesus Christ] came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified...
Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers,
Hi JCouraged. Baha'u'llah wrote about Jesus Christ too. I'll post one example and if you can find an example of Christian writing produced in the last 2000 years, written either by yourself, or by the most celebrated Saint or the most devoted Christian scholar, that Glorifies Jesus Christ to the extent that Baha'u'llah does, I'd love for you to share it.
If you ever have the chance to read the "Fire Tablet" by Baha'u'llah, it will better communicate the extent of His suffering, and perhaps encourage us to consider whether "marketing" was ever on His mind. "Every morning I arose from my bed, I discovered the hosts of countless afflictions massed behind My door; and every night when I lay down, lo, My heart was torn with agony at what it had suffered from the fiendish cruelty of its foes". Endure this for 40 years for marketing?
Baha'u'llah endured great suffering to bring light into a dark world, to proclaim the equality of races and of men and women at a time when slavery and racism was all that was known, and to declare that "Ye are the fruits of one tree, the leaves of one branch, the drops of one ocean. Let not a man glory in this, that he loveth his own country, nay rather let him glory in this, that he loveth the whole of mankind. The Earth is but One Country and Mankind its Citizens".
Bryan I enjoyed your talk thanks for sharing. Wasn't sure what to expect given the title, as for me "brilliantly marketed" tends to imply that the teachings were fabricated according to what people wanted to hear, rather than according to some higher truth. As a Baha'i, I believe it's the latter reason why the Baha'i Faith resounds so well with people, particularly when viewed in the context of the historical backdrop of how the teachings were revealed.
It's true that Jesus fulfilled Prophecy. It's also true that when Jesus returned in the 19th century His appearance was associated with more proofs and signs than His first appearance. Baha'u'llah and the Bab were also associated with more miracles than Jesus (including the survival of the Bab after being fired at by a regiment of 750 soldiers), but Baha'u'llah explcitly tells us not to consider them as proof, at least in part because "the Cause of God is not a theatrical display".
actually, it is defenetly NOT historically proven that jesus rose from the dead. ur full of shit. and he never claimed to be god, paul claimed he was god.
yea right, jesus never even claimed to be god. this was a huge misinterpretaition made by paul. the problem is, billions of people choose to believe this lie.
1) Your research on the faith should have tought you how to refer to the religion properly "The Bahai Faith" there is no 'Bahaiism'
2) You shudve known it was Baha-U-llah
3)Why are you refering to Christian views in relation to the old testament?
4)The Bahais dont teach 'no religion is perfect', but that each manifestation elaborates on Gods message to mankind for that particular period of time.
I could go on forever, but quit taking the piss if you want to present a serious argument.
"I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
-Revelation 3:3
Which is it? As a THIEF or in the SKY for all too see? How can you accuse others of being "illogical, irrational and just plain wrong" when you ACTUALLY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOING TO FLOATING IN THE SKY!!! LITERALLY!!!
JCouraged, youre just namecalling, not really proving anything. "By my study", c'mon man, keep it real, you know you haven't studied the "life and times of Muhammad, the Qu'ran", what about it is false, and outright demonic? and this time quote your references don't make bland generic statements. thanks.
JCouraged obviously has no working knowledge of world history whatsoever. Also, a question for JCouraged, which 'sect', 'version' or 'denomination' of Christianity is the correct one?
very good points, British scholar/historian Arnold Toynbee, in his massive 'metanarrative' STUDY OF HISTORY series, made similar points about 'Bahaism' as well. From a historian's perspective he noted that fundamental changes in 'world civilization' have always been accompanied with a new religion. He was criticized tremendously for his overemphasis on religion, which is probably why he came to the same conclusion you do- "that it may even be the world religion one day".
The Baha'i Faith has nothing to do with seducing people into becoming converts as you infer.
Baha'is are instructed to carry out their own investigation and if you note carefully you will see that it's not actually an amalgamation of other religions - yes the fundamental principals of all religions will appear to be similar but the Baha'i Faith is an independent religion.
For example in Muhammad in the Islamic faith had to deal with barbaric warring tribes that lived by the sword. Where they would rape and pillage and bury their newborn daughters alive. Muhammad had to remedy this through the only language they truly spoke.. the sword.
Now for example: war is not needed, we can converse peacefully, with full access to all knowledge and truth. The whole world is finally coming together.... with difficulty lol
1) Your research on the faith should have tought you how to refer to the religion properly "The Bahai Faith" there is no 'Bahaiism'
2) You shudve known it was Baha-U-llah
3)Why are you refering to Christian views in relation to the old testament?
4)The Bahais dont teach 'no religion is perfect', but that each manifestation elaborates on Gods message to mankind for that particular period of time.
I could go on forever, but quit taking the piss if you want to present a serious argument.
I can't tell if you're being really sarcastic and making fun about the beliefs of the Baha'i Faith, or just pointing out what Baha'i beliefs are amazing. Whatever, it's a decent summary.
wow, dude.I learnt a lot,especially in the WAY you explained it all.Two things I might change:I wouldn't say Islam is "fucked" :) cuz that's a bit disrespectful,n as I marked you did get the jist of the Bahai-Faith,bahai's don't belittle the other world religions in any way.Secondly I'd add to the three main points that you mentioned,that of the Unity of mankind.You seem a very intellectual and educated guy.Bahai teachings also encourage everyone to be educated in sciences, arts etc.Thx n peace!
Mr. Parry, I'm assuming? If this video is not in any sarcasm then I do applaud you. Its brilliant and fantastic! Your video is even a marketing video for the Faith. Any negatively aimed comments to your video are all in ill will and should as I hope you have done, be ignored OR used to propel good energy. People take your video out of context but I must give them credit to hear you out enough to compute a response.
I agree with Keallei. There's nothing in the video worth getting one's nose bent out of shape. I'm impressed with his deep consideration of the faith. Sometimes young Baha'is can be overly defensive when there's no need. Baha'is don't view their religion in isolation. Unfortunately many people do. Just as in language, I find it simpler to view the world's languages together to understand the complexities therein.
Baha'is believe that the community of the latest religion typically reject the newest Manifestation when (he) comes. At that time probably relatively few Baha'is will recognize the Manifestation. Baha'is will follow in the footsteps of other religious powers after falling in decline. That is because Baha'is believe that all religions go through a spring, summer, autumn, and wintertime upon which the new Manifestation will be sent. The Bahai Faith will be no exception.
Well i'd re-read into that. All Baha'ullah alludes to is that there will be contention in the future not in terms of numbers entering it.. If you got some other writings that i haven't seen i would love to read them.
I haven't quoted anyone when I wrote few. Neither have I used reported speech. This is clearly my opinion which I have based on my understanding of religious history. If that opinion is wrong, so be it. Neither of us will be alive when this happens. I doubt there is anything in the writings that refers to this. There are more pressing issues in the Baha'i Faith. At that time, I believe that PROBABLY RELATIVELY FEW of them will recognize the Manifestation.
Actually perfection is not really the issue. One book is no more perfect than any of those previous. It's more like being taught what one is capable of learning in the first grade, despite the teacher's full college education. When one reaches higher grades they are taught what they are capable of learning at that stage. Just as in school students may learn one thing quite simply and then have to unlearn part of it to incorporate a more detailed, less generalistic explanation later in their educ
Bravo wegugin! I am relieved someone can decipher the message properly. Applause. Being in no way sarcastic, I will definitely use your example to explain that very concept to those who ask me. If you will, I will be most grateful.
A religion which can be interpreted differently will be fragmented when in power, incapable when not.
Look at other religions: Protestant/Catholic, Shia/Sunni would either fight each other or if they were both weak, they would not be able to influence the world.
Therefore, I don't share your predictions, personally. But informative video.
I also think the "powerful elements" you show are in fact weakness of incoherence and inconsistency in the faith tenets.
Just pray that Christ gives you the love, He wanted you to have and as long as you have that you are Fine :) I mean it! God and Jesus Be with you! I'll, as Baha'i, pray to Jesus, because we can do that too! to bestow upon you that love, he wanted His followers to have! May He always be in your heart!
And what was it again the Farcies accused Jesus Christ of? I beive quite simmilar to what you are saying of Baha'u'llah! May be you want to look up Baha'u'llah's Tablet to the Christians...that should answer your questions...
Just a couple of observations. The correct name of the followers of Baha'u'llah is Baha'is and His name is pronounced as it is spelled Baha'u'llah! I am sure you rather have people pronounce your name in the correct manner.
Cheers!
P.S. By the way, didn't quite get it, what is is you belive in?
So im glad you've done some research to come to that conclusion. There are 17'000 tablets only 2% translated. My knowledge is a grain of drop compared to an ocean of knowledge so im right there with you. So if you ever want to challenge your conclusion The Guardian, Shoghi Affendi has detrailed writings based on the Administrative Order of how the faith govern's its affairs as well as Bahaullah (founder of the Bahai faith) pervasive writings of the revelation of God.
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
From what I understand is that God's mercy is greater than his Justice. Just like a king having a governor carry out his plans. The Son acts with the authority of the Father. So the station of Jesus is the Son..
"Forgive thy neighbour the hurt that he hath done unto thee,
so shall thy sins also be forgiven when thou prayest."
If this is Jesus's judgement then how much more merciful is the father.. Love it!
Bahai revelation in my opinion does honor the Son. The messengers of God are one Religion just as the sun rises and sets with the same name. If any revelation disagrees in any way with the writings (not interpretations by sect.) of any of the past major religions, That is a great and very helpful warning. This is why the faith encourages a personal investigation of truth in their own search for God.
lol that is just taking Islam's stance and putting a spin on it.
If your Muslim you must believe in the Gospels, the point is they were changed over time, thus corrupted by man.
So in that context yes for there time they were as good as they could be. That is the Islamic perspective on Christianity and Judaism. I don't see how the Baha'i faith and Islam it would seem have the same point of view here I don't see any big revelation with word play.
You're absolutely right. I've given a brief synopsis of the essence of progressive revelation which Bahai's believe, but also have been revealed in all the religions of the past.
The revelation itself is profound on a spiritual and systematic basis. Questioning in order to find truth is the fundamental basis on how we function in this planet as rational souls.
The opinions ive given are my own perception of what the Baha'i faith teaches, but the best sources to get the essence of the faith are Baha'u'llah (the founder), AbdulBaha (his son), Shoghi Affendi (AbdulBaha's grandson) and the Universal House of Justice (the Baha'i governing body).
many tend to find it easy to see religion in this superficial way because we are veiled by the reality of time and place. the reality of the divine, the rational soul and God are not constricted by time and place. Over time if Man does not submerge themselves in this life giving essence through progressive revelation, they will become spiritually sick and this will reflect through actions which weaken mans physical dynamic living on this planet, no matter what label they choose to adopt
Holocaustianity is the world's best marketed religion.
11pinrelay 1 day ago
"Just realise your ordinary self and sence the divine dance."
All the ordinary selves with their 5 senses fully operational sense no divinity. And if you sense anything divine, it is not sourced from the 5 senses, but your Self.
TheWhiteEuropeans 1 week ago
All people experience the world through the 5 senses continually and are unhappy. Nobody experiences life fully through the five senses. For that reason every few hours human beings crave to turn off the 5 senses and completely forget the unsatisfactory world, retreating again to the whole and complete Self.
TheWhiteEuropeans 1 week ago
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The "ordinary self" most experience is nothing but the dualistic monkey-mind teeming with fears, attractions, repulsions, and chronic dissatisfaction. You and others watch television, or read books, to try to relieve it's pain and escape its unsatisfactory nature (or take drugs.) Your monkey-mind is no more satisfactory. Thus why you crave sleep each evening. (So you can experience the transcendental and become refreshed.) But purue your dualistic monkey-mind as usual. It's of no consequence.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Further, the fact that chastity and God-devotion create sensed, seen, and experienced upgrade of the outer world-miasm is provable to one's self, with the mere 5 outer senses. Boring materialists should try to at least think once a year.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Atheism is a pretty crummy religion.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Stick to reality, that which you can smell, taste, touch hear and see, five sences common to all.
Lancashirefolk 2 weeks ago
But the five sense don't satisfy deeper men. Men and women, though having the full five senses become dispirited, depressed, and desperate. There is no salvation or bliss in the 5 senses. What humans seek and crave is bliss. In your material path that requires drugs and still doesn't work.
Moreover, the God-seeker get supernatural senses, including supernatural smell, sound, etc. These things (heard, seen, and smelled etc.) are far more entrancing than your boring 5 senses that end with death.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Julian Lee: martyr to the cause of cyber-bullying. Should I expect litigation from the DivineFellowship-SPLC legal team?
11pinrelay 1 day ago
@Lancashirefolk -- Further, the transitory realities experienced in the dream state, and the senses experienced there, are far more satisfying than the transitory experiences of the gross waking state. All phenomena, whether waking or dreaming, is transitory. But anything experienced is reality in human terms. This is elementary.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship The five Elements and five sences combined are the Lord and Lady which dance upon Swan Lake, but by experiencing things through the sences, by defining your existence by them alone without attaching words which diminish from the imminent experience, you live more fully. No drugs required. Just realise your ordinary self and sence the divine dance.
Lancashirefolk 2 weeks ago
To get a spiritual experience sit in an empty old Christian church, bigger the better, and ponder "akasa." (Infinite space.) In the Upanishads, infinite space (akasa) is one of the first evolutes of Pure Consciouness (Brahman). It is also synonymous with Brahman (God.) The old churches are built in a way that evokes akasa (Infinite space, Brahman). Even the reverb that comes from the stone evokes akasa. Baha'is meet in crummy, cramped office rooms. Not the akasa-evoking spaces of the Christians.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
And such teachings, inherent to Hinduism, Vedanta, Yoga, and even Buddhism -- cannot be found in the Baha'i Faith. Wherever there may be hints of such teachings in the primitive Islamic viewpoint of Baha'u'llah, Bahai' are disinterested in them.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
The exact truth is that Brahman (Pure Consciousness) can create anything, exactly you do in nightly dream, and that P. Consciousness likewise created your individual "jiva" bound by conditioning. The truth is that by meditation on Pure Consciousness you can become free of that jiva's limitations and know Pure Consciousness directly. This is yoga, this is religion, that's the exact truth. As to the world, the Yoga-Vasistha says:
"However the mind conceives 'the order' to be, the order becomes."
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Icke rips off the Vedantic idea of the exterior world as a "dream" so he can pose as Mr. Spirituality. Meanwhile he terrorizes everybody with his own particular brand of nasty nightmare. He says the "aliens" feed off of sexual energy, but meanwhile attacks morality as "anti-woman" and attacks the church which taught sexual self-mastery.
If you google "David Icke twit" you will find my article at ThePhora where I give my general views on Icke.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship to be honest, I would like to move ahead. Icke is surely not interesting enough. His aliens statements talk of detachment of reality (sure alien exists, but he sure knows nothing about them). I know everything I need to know about him. The truth is elsewhere. Icke is not the truth.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
The first ueful truth is: The external world-dream is self generated. The 2nd useful truth: That self-purification automatically upgrades/heals the self-generated world dream. This is basically Buddhism, Vedanta, and Yoga. So saving the world occurs automatically by self-purification. Self-purification involves chastity, meditation, God-devotion, and fasting, etc. This is basic religion. It's all lost in Baha'i. Getting external beings to say "we are one" does not end world problems.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship and yes many pose as mister spirituality. Been there seen that. Not truth, not interesting, let's move along.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
One of the most basic human tendencies is to conspire. I've had bosses who conspire, and co-workers who conspired. My kids conspire, my ex-wife conspired, even my dog used to conspire. You conspire. How much more bankers, people in government, and business men. "I do not believe in conspiracy theories" is like saying "I don't believe anybody conspires." Silly.
Most crimes start out as conspiracies then become successful. Almost all solutions to crimes start with conspiracy theory, proved true.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship It is true. I have said "I don't believe in conspiracy theories", it was an over simplification. There sure are conspiracies, but it can't be easy to figure them out. I cannot just take everything a David Icke or worse Alex Jones for granted. I need to see things with my eyes (my inner eyes).
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco -- Of course, of course. I believe that Alex Jones points to true things but also carefully misdirects people, avoiding pointing at certain things. I also believe his purpose is as a "discharge valve" so people get lulled into complacency thinking "something's happening" and there's still "free speech." I think if anybody started organizing, Jones would attack them. (He's actually done that.) Icke, he's a pifflewit. He plays "spiritual" man but has no dharma.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship well, then if you know someone who knwos the exact truth, point him to me - I have been looking for him hard, but haven't found him. Again, I don't think anyone except David Rockefeller or Obama know some truly interesting things that would open our eyes in the matter, and make us go "aaaaah, now I understand". I know collapse is happening, but I don't know who wanted it and why. If you know it tell me.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco some things that are OBVIOUSLY kept secret. Maybe high grade freemasons know them, maybe CIA agents know them...I don't know anything. God knows how much I would LIE to know them, but I don't. So I'm not here saying that I have figured it out. I haven't. I wish I have. And no I don't think Alex Jones tells the truth. Sure, some things - also an idiot says some true things.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco Alex Jones and Icke can be PART of the problem at the most. See, if somebody really says the truth, since the miasm is there, then the miasm KILLS him, period. That's why we have noone saying the truth. The truth has been killed. Italian intellectual Pasolini knew many truths - killed. It's a mafia, heck. People who talk get killed. Micheal Jackson, knew many inner working and conspiracies of the music industry. Gone.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco If Icke was saying something so amazingly true and enlightening, then the O2 arena would NOT host is sold out comedy. It is comedy, fiction, not truth.
In this world and democracy people aren't allower to speak the truth. This is a fact to me, the order of the day. That is why this democracy and world are heavy on free thinkers and truth bearers.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco -- Yes. Icke would say something true and useful if he said:
"The manifestations of demons, NWO, and such directly arises from your own personal lust, just as Buddha said."
That would be really helpful. However, he can't say that because 1) He doesn't know it, and 2) he likes free-sex. (Or that is my impression from his writings. Morality is "oppression of the godduss.")
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I think it is better to continue the conversation privately, isn't it? - I sent you an email yesterday, please reply there!
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship It is OBVIOUS to me, for example, that even if I haven't see its papers, a conspiracy to make people DUMB through the media exists. I smell the cake; there's a cake and I'm not the only one smelling it. I just haven't seen the cake with my eyes.
And Ruhi in baha'i faith, is conspiracy to make them obiedient and mellow and uncapable of criticism, and the UHJ is willingly making the believers dumb. I suppose that what happens in the small world happens...
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
Do you know the word "miasm"? It's from homeopathy. A miasm seeking central control and a "new world order," and world government, definitely exists. "Miasm" does not even refer to conscious, external forces. And many persons and orgs do exist that CONSCIOUSLY work for total control and a so-called "NWO." Similar to the communists, the invalidation and subjugation of parental authority -- and the father is the greatest parental authority -- are explicit (I said explicit) parts of their policy.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship and this is what I am looking into. Miasm. Good word. I don't know much about this miasm yet, it is enveloped in mistery. Sure I would like to know more, about the miasm. I am certainly ignorant about its dynamics. I am just observing and seeing where the key is. But I can't trust anyone, or conspiracy theorists just because what they say is sci-fi.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
Of course the B. Faith is a brilliant marketing package for progressive and Whites with too much White-guilt from watching the Jewtube.
That's all it's ever been. How could the B. Faith end up the B. Faith when they were prevented from having their founding "Book of Laws" for 150 years. (Now it embarasses them and they abrogate it all away or give loopholes to everything.)
The B. Faith is a cultural movement created by Marxists to deracinate people and destroy nations.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
Hey, good comment! Baha'i has the ability to revise itself. Our basic tenets contain investigation of the truth, consultation, and voting. Also our approach to the treatment of homosexuals is revising in the Baha'i Faith, just as it is in the material world. The Baha'i Faith is an organic and an adaptive way of life. REMARKABLE, isn't it?
MrKathijustman 6 months ago
@MrKathijustman - Baha'i should definetely revise itself! Who are these people to judge homosexuals? I don't want to know what homosexuals get up to and don't agree with the way alot of homosexuals behave but if homosexuals are good people and have talent they can contribute to the betterment of the world.
Steven170890 4 months ago
@Steven170890 -- Intelligent people must use their judgement. Homosexuality is unnatural, non-procreative, perverse, caused by psychological deprivation (such as lack of fathering), destructive to the body, disease-carrying, etc. Use your judgement at all times.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@DivineFellowship - Yes, intelligent people should use their judgment, but Baha'is are told to believe that homosexuality is all the things that you say. You're right, people should their judgment at all times, but Baha'is aren't really allowed to do this because of the whole no backbiting thing - and they'll use "oh we are all born sinners" as an excuse.
Steven170890 2 months ago
@DivineFellowship increasing homesexuality seems to be part of "the plan" made by a shadowy "something or someone" (?) to utterly make this society shit and then destroy it. It is evident that most homosexuals are so because they are immensely conditioned by society. It sure isn't a free choice in most cases, but a choice of societal slavery and conformism.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
The rise in homoexuality corresponds to the rise of single mothers and divorce. The old psychological explanation for homosexuality is true: They often have a broken relationship with their fathers starting young & don't get male bonding thus male identity. Thus a craving for relationship with a male (a non-sexual craving at first) starts young. This is a central cause. The propaganda only helps it along. NWO wants fathers to be obsolete, thus NWO threw out that old and valid theory.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship yes man but even though I had a healthy childhood I can tell you that I have been ASKED TO TURN GAY the whole fuckin' time and that I was going to have problems if I said no, and so it was. Social shunning etc. I have received a social pressure to become gay, and many I know turned gay because of IT. They were going to be alone if they didn't become gay. There is no space here to describe exactly how it happens but you're smart enough to figure it out, anyway
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship it doesn't matter much how people become gay, the result is the same. Psychological factors and social pressure interact with each other of course.
The question that arises here is WHY a NWO would want fathers to be obsolete, what would be the point. The result is simply a crazy and uncontrollable society - how is our present society easily controllable? The amount of protesters and unhappiness is considerable. Almost everyone is unhappy and aggressive...
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship therefore is homosexuality and feminism where propaganded in order to usher this or that...you should tell me HOW. I don't see how feminism and homosexuality HELP anyone. To me they're just biproducts of conditioned stupidity and insecurity, THAT, stupidity, was willingly propaganded. Not sure about homosexuality. But maybe I'm wrong. I just don't have proofs of that yet. Does anyobody have them? I don't believe things just because somebody said them
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco IF* homosexuality and feminism. Not "is".
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship "NWO wants fathers to be obsolete". Maybe, but I have no proof of that. I dont believe anyone except the elite really knows what happened and way. In a word: I do not believe in conspiracy theories. And a world governement could really be "inevitable" once all coutries are connected, so either all connections are put down and we'll see a reborn of "villages" and small community life, all races on their own, or we'll have the NWO. What I DON'T want is...
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco ...the BIG BROTHER (wich we have already) and the lack of respect for individual rights. Baha'i faith part of the big brother agenda while believers are completely unaware of so? Possible. Is there any other option? To be honest my friend, I think democracy isn't going anywhere and dictatorship/monarchies/oligarchies are the only possible remedy to chaos. Democracy is a farse. Now, is it possible to have order and freedom too? I don't know. It's a very complex matter
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco what I know is that here and now a free individual CANNOT be part of organized religions of any sort, because that represses his own freedom. What the free man, whom is pretty rare, should and must do is become part of the elite, so the mass will be enslaved and happy of so, because they don't value/need individual freedom much - they don't think anyway. In the meantime he will be free, and even telling others what to do. I see no other that is somewhat a win-win solution
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco a more "anarchic" way of life where eveyone is perfectly happy and free would be possible only if the world population will veyr much decrease such as the Georgia guidestones state. Half a billion people world wide, period. Reason. Logic. Livable world. That is the solution. I'm ok with world governement, but with certain premises. I don't deem it bad in its core idea. It is the only way forward unless electricity becomes unavailable and so communication between countries.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco If this happens like many are afraid it will, then a lot of people will die anyway, and there won't be a "world order", but simply a restart of civilization. No world order needed. The world order will always be an "imperfect" one, with no true win-win. I don't think win-win is really possible. Some will "abuse" others, and that's it. We actually need to get back to a clear division of social classes. Democracy is the worst thing possible, lose-lose for almost everyone.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco therefore I see people getting back to villages with a CLEAR social scale and respect for the elders, OR a global village with the SAME EXACT premise: social order, and not marxist omologation. Social classes, and people who are above and people who are down and shut the fuck up. Not everyone will be allowed to be arrogant; but kings, have GOT to be arrogant and be and know they're superior to do their job. But arrogance of the fools is the most terrible ignorance and evil.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco and democracy is just that; delusion of grandeour of masses of ignorant fools. Democracy is cultural and social triumph and rule of the fools. I don't want that. I want fools to suck. That's the world I desire. I do not think fools don't exist or do no harm, and I do not think it is nice and good to have them around and that they should be repected as more evolved people. I want evolved people to have more and the others, less. Objective meritocracy is the only justice
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco in democracy, intelligence, skill and maturity are not really valued. And so is reason. FORCE is valued. The Georgia guidestones want a "new age of reason", that is what I want. I want a society of logic and reason, it doesn't have to be founded on spirituality - spirituality is to me exquisitely PERSONAL and INDIVIDUAL, and not a COMMUNITY thing, since it is hard to find two men with the same spiritual needs and status. also, it is impossible to CALCULATE it objectively.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco (by men. Only a God can know wo is above and who below as for spiritual station). Intelligence and skill are instead OBJECTIVELY quantifiable, but not everyone can do so: democracy very often allows for fools to decide who wins and who loses, making unjustice rule. Again it is based on force and luck; in democracy, not the best not the smartest, but often the idiot can rule over the superior. That is why only DICTATORSHIP of a wise man can bring some justice on earth.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@MrKathijustman -- Were Baha'is supposed to start "revising" their Book of Laws before they even started practicing them? From all the unctious, lofty, commanding, and dire language of Baha'u'llah in the Book of Laws, I don't think so. The Book of Laws is already a joke.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
"Also our approach to the treatment of homosexuals is revising in the Baha'i Faith, just as it is in the material world."
Yeah, one thing that made me leave the B. Faith was seeing they didn't really live differently than anybody else in the corrupt world. But if they are starting to get corrupt regarding homosexuality now, they are really slipping. Baha'u'llah considered homosexuality so disgusting that he didn't want to even mention it in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, though he did.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
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"My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquility of its peoples. The well being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
This guy is so misguided. And the Bahai Faith is easy to market.
Beulah502 10 months ago
There is no such term as Bahaiism.
Beulah502 10 months ago
bahais stay out of politics please.
perfectchronic 11 months ago
@perfectchronic
all other religions - Please stay out of politics!
look at catholics
look at islam
look at many religions,
djquazzy09 11 months ago
You need to learn more . Study and research .open your eyes and hearth
AtsoftcoT 1 year ago
you're probably a Scientologist, are you
Zesya 1 year ago
i wish you can learn the diffrence between the word bahaiism and bahai
MsAnchwa 1 year ago
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I am a Baha'i and I love my religion. I don't intended to sway anyone's opinion, merely give my own as a follower of Baha'u'llah. Progressive Revelation is a fundemental basis of the Baha'i Faith stating that God, through his various manifestations, has made his will known to mankind. Each manifestation brings new knowledge that advances the capacities of mankind. It is a linear process. As the progression of mankind continues, so does to progression of the word of God. Allah'u'Abha!
RLighthart 1 year ago
I am a Baha'i and I love my religion. I don't intended to sway anyone's opinion, merely give my own as a follower of Baha'u'llah. Progressive Revelation is a fundemental basis of the Baha'i Faith stating that God, through his various manifestations, has made his will known to mankind. Each manifestation brings new knowledge that advances the capacities of mankind. It is a linear process. As the progression of mankind continues, so does to progression of the word of God. Allah'u'Abha!
RLighthart 1 year ago 3
The term "most brilliantly marketed" implies the Baha'i Faith is selling something, which it is not. We simply want to share what we believe is the best news to hit the planet in more than 1,000 years! Unfortunately, this video contains inaccurate and misleading statements, evidently because the poster is not a Baha'i. If you want to know the truth, it's best to go to the source. You can read exactly what Baha'u'llah said for yourself.
Lyndez2009 6 months ago
The Baha'i Faith attempts to sell itself, and get people to "join" and "declare" and add themselves to the roles. Don't jive talk us. The B. Faith is a promotional package with little connection to it's founders or founding scriptures. "Equality of Men and Women" is nowhere in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Hidden Words, or Iqan -- the 3 most important scriptures. Neither are most things on the "10 basic teachings" card. That's because they put together a package that would "sell" to progressives.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@DivineFellowship but, as most "TOO impure" actions, it wasn't really effective. Was it. No, it wasn't. And it won't be.
Reality accepts and welcomes pure actions. This is not a world were unjustice triumphs every single time. This is a world where one learns to be moral and intelligent to survive and succeed, while immoral and stupid people kill themselves in ghettos. And today's cities are nothing but huge ghettos.
Morality is nothing but intelligence and selfpreservation
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
Your "Progressive revelation" theory is garbage. The contents of the Yoga-Sutra and Bhagavad-Gita, about 5,000 years old, are far more sophisticated, complete, and profound than anything in the B. Faith. (How to still the mind through meditation, know God directly in samadhi, attain siddhis, end suffering.) The Baha'i "Book of Laws" should be the "primitive" thing from 5,000 years ago; the Yoga-Sutra the more advanced texts. Baha'is will never comprehend those texts. It's way beyond them.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@RLighthart wat do guys believe about atheists if u believe all religions are equal
knightofjustic 2 weeks ago
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Guys please like this comment and help spread the word to STOP viewing covenant breaking videos on youtube, the more views it gets the more popular the video will become and thus show up in every bahai-related video we watch. This is comment is in opposition to covenant breakers and humbly wishes to peacefully educate the Truth to all.
pinklovepoop 1 year ago
Guys please like this comment and help spread the word to STOP viewing covenant breaking videos on youtube, the more views it gets the more popular the video will become and thus show up in every bahai-related video we watch. This is comment with opposition to covenant breakers and humbly wishes to peacefully educate the Truth to all.
pinklovepoop 1 year ago
There is an incredible dichotomy between the presentation of the Baha'i Faith by believers and the actual writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah which are really quite violent, sexist, prejudice, and ignorant of science.
MillerGenuineCraft 1 year ago
sheeple are lost and scared, and becaues they left behind their own religion to explore something new, they feel like they can fill the emptiness and void. Bahai'ism is a new age religion given the sheeple to guide them into servitude and to enjoy serving the new world government agenda. good luck all with that !!!
RDBoisQc 1 year ago
fuck off man, you are shit!
FreeGlobalResources 1 year ago
And among the teachings of Baha'u;ll'ah is that religion must be in conformity with science and reason,so that it may influence the hearts of men. The foundation must be solid and must not consist of imitations. -'Abdu'l-Bah'a Whats your opinion on this statement? rep by video:)
jrandall1968 1 year ago
Plus, I do not believe in 'progessive revelation' because it is very obviously hidden triumphalism, and being a devotee has always taught me that besides Vaishnavism, there is always going to be a melange of philosophical conceptions, of which God gives a variety of paths to Him. There is no black and white; only grey, and out of all the religions, I feel that being a Baha'i presupposes the most triumphalistic attitude because of being the 'latest'.
sirach 1 year ago
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sirach 1 year ago
Bryan Parry, remember me? I said that you were cute, heheheh...
Anyways, I have left the Baha'i Faith from its stance on homosexuality and its fanatical belief in the Nine Member Assembly as so divinely inspired that any doubt on their decisions is considered worthy of called a Covenant-Breaker.
But I still think you're cute! ;)
sirach 1 year ago
@sirach Hey there! Yes, I do remember everyone who flatters my ego...!
Glad to hear you have left over those grounds. The church's stance on homosexuality, as I understand it, is the typical gibberish you find in various "liberal" religions. Know where you're gonna go/wind up now? Had any issues with other members because of your leaving?
BryanAJParry 1 year ago
@BryanAJParry Well, funny you say, because I have been a Krishna devotee (Hare Krishna) for about 2 1/2 years now. It's been so long ago... but the Vedic religion (Vaishnavism) has always had a tolerance for gays and lesbians Scripturally, even if some of the devotees are not. It is one of the oldest organised religions in the world with vast cultural intricacies, and the most important, Krishna loves me unconditionally. :)
sirach 1 year ago
@BryanAJParry When I left the Faith, I had some tell me I was leaving because I was being selfish (in not helping humanity), of being backwards for following an older religion, and that I was being stubborn for not being a celibate gay Baha'i. Nothing on a national or international level, but if I knew they considered being gay a mental disease (Baha'u'llah never said that; follower Shoghi Effendi did) and that they believe in shunning 'Covenant-Breakers' I would have left before I even came.
sirach 1 year ago
@BryanAJParry Another problem I had was 'teaching' the Faith, which was really disguised preaching. They would use 'English classes' to Ruhi book circles and Devotionals to lure people as well as mentioning the social teachings like equality and humanism (and then the laws and Covenant later, when they become a Baha'i). At least as a Krishna devotee, when we preach, we don't pretend to hide it under teaching' the Faith,' awaiting the day that people will 'enter by troops' or a mass conversion.
sirach 1 year ago
@BryanAJParry Has Bahaism embraced homosexuality/sodomy now?
thermionic1234567 6 months ago
@thermionic1234567 Well... the Baha'i Faith says that homosexuality isn't inherently wrong. Fornication/Adultery/Rape is. Two people of the same gender can't be married. That's it. Someone can have a homosexual and chaste relationship.
Sodomy, as in anal or oral sex is okay between married people.
I believe that the next Manifestation will adjust this as in 850+ years we will be more liberal. :P
But... no way for me to know. :P
Volcarona32 4 months ago
@Volcarona32 -- What is a "homosexual and chaste relationship." Either they are being sexual or they aren't. Baha'u'llah did not say "Homosexuality is inherently wrong." His one reference to it, in the "Book of Laws," indicated he considered it so disgusting that it was beneath him to even mention it. He said:
"We are ashamed to mention the commandments regarding boys," (Most homosexuality involved older men and boys.) He considered it beneath him to even address the subject of homoexuality.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
"Sodomy, as in anal or oral sex is okay between married people."
You have no morals or conscience. Sodomy and anal sex between married people is sin, is perversion, is disgusting, unnatural, and brings divine punishment. Anal sex is gay sex. If a man wants to force his generative organ into his wife's anus, the place of shit, where no procreation can happen, and not even a sexual place for her, which damages his organ -- he is a pervert, an incipient homosexual, and taking on a demonic nature.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@Volcarona32 -- Check out this disgusting degenerate's web page. And he seems to be very tuned into the B. Faith. Sad what's happened to these people since their Book of Laws was kept from them from the gitgo. They have nothing.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
Baha'is will be embracing sodomy and moral sin, have no doubt. When you can't even have access to your Book of Laws for 150 years, how can you become the Baha'i Faith? Now that they have it, they find it embarrassing and only want to create loopholes and abrogations for it. Even if that were not the case, their Book Of Laws does not contain even near the moral guidance that mankind requires. He gives instructions about wearing sable and hunting with a falcon, but nothing about abortion or porn.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@DivineFellowship "He gives instructions about wearing sable and hunting with a falcon"
ultra laughing out loud.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@BryanAJParry Hey dipshit fuck her i did Bahai girls are easy when you say their right lol now go fuck yourself for being a moron.
bahaiculteatsnuts 1 month ago
@bahaiculteatsnuts I'm sure you did your mom! :D :D :D Dick head!
baghooli 4 weeks ago
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@sirach you should take a look at Unitarian Universal bahais
supernovaofthenoir 10 months ago
@sirach aaawwww. You make me want to be gay too. Wait, are you a gay man?
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
Really good work! Well done!
s0136571 1 year ago
Interesting take on the Bahá'í Faith. Thanks for posting it out.
vahidlj 1 year ago
what is mysterious about bahaism? its just another organised religion, that tries to differentiate itself from others by seeming to make itself compatible with other monotheistic religions even if those religions contradict each other or have no real common view, its a really silly and asinine concept, thats been done to death over the last 2000 years.
fewoifhiu3hfklew 1 year ago
You have a very twisted opion about Bahai and it doesn't make sense, your ideas are interesting but your proof is tainted and formed to compliment your argument. Your really wrong about some of the things you've said about what baha'is beleive.
MadeCapatin 1 year ago
It's not a "better version". It's the same message restated in terms for a different time.
jnduck 2 years ago
DUDE ! just become a bahai!stop fighting it. The Father dosent need an MBA to conduct buisiness on earth! As you said urself its the best it gets at this point:Dnice post, keep them coming!
adamMzS 2 years ago 3
Bahaism is a New Age cult like scientology
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
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chilling247 2 years ago
PS: Bryan A. Perry? I think you're still really cute! ;)
sirach 2 years ago
What if its not 'marketing' but from God'?
mystico09 2 years ago
Exactly my thought! Why assume that the so called "marketing" capacity may be other than its very reality?
NormanMac 2 years ago
I'm a former Bahai (now a non-theist). The faith might seem very "marketable". But any thinking person who investigates deeply will eventually find its distortions and contradictions unsavory; just like any other religious dogma. That's been my experience anyway...
TrueHealth27 2 years ago
I now define myself as a Gaudiya Vaishnava in practice, and somewhat of a Unitarian Universalist at heart. I used to be a Baha'i of the Haifan variety, and have been somewhat hurt by the impersonalism of the Haifan Faith.
In any case, I hope that one truly understands the nature of the Haifan Baha'i Faith, before they join their ranks...
Or at least try the Reform Bahai Faith...
sirach 2 years ago
In a strange way Sirach, that's how I view the Unitarian Universalists; as "reform Bahai" Faith practitioners. I know that it's not logical. But I have recently "joined" the Unitarians and I'm finding that the thirst that drove me to enter the Haifan faith has (thus far) been quenched for me on the UU path. I'm finding that my current root spiritual definition may fall, most famously, along the lines of Yogaswami; the Dravidian/Tamil sage of the 20th century (i.e. Saiva Siddhantic). Peace!
TrueHealth27 2 years ago
Well, the 'Reform Bahai Faith' is a legitimate group, stemming from their liberality in that they believe that Baha'u'llah wanted everyone to have freedom of conscience and belief, and that the Bahai Faith is not an organisation, nor a dictatorship, but a Faith with a universal Cause for all mankind.
They question the WAT of Abdu'l-Baha, and claim that it is up to the individual to pray over the Scriptures and to find out the meaning thereof rather than on a certain group of individuals.
sirach 2 years ago
Being a Gaudiya Vaishnava in practice and belief, I have found some elements of UUism that I always liked. I thought that they definitely encapsulate the great spiritual master of our movement, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, who was a universalist at heart when it came to Krishna consciousness. He taught that the principles of bhakti yoga, loving devotion, could be found in all the great religions, and that all share the same Universal Father: Krishna, Jehovah, Allah, Waheguru, etc.
sirach 2 years ago
It's funny though, how so many wonderful saints and spiritual paths embody the social principles of the Haifan Baha'i Faith, as well as even the spiritual ones. One needs only embark upon them and shine them to the world.
LOL, and I just find that Shaiva-Vaishnava exchange just hilarious!
Hare Krishna! ^___^
sirach 2 years ago
And what if you don't see the "satan" part of the religion. What if all there is is the Angel of Light. Is it still evil? ...point to the "devil" part of these religions and I'll try to see your point.
WhiteElvenDragon 2 years ago
you are admitting to that !?
vladimiraa 2 years ago
To be correct it is the Baha'i faith not baha'iism and the correct way to say baha'u'llah (Baha oh la)
wattsite 2 years ago
7:50 "All the good stuff that Islam, Christianity and Judaism and other religions have got" Good stuff? Pray tell what might that be?
fctchk 2 years ago
We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He [Jesus Christ] it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.
combiz9 2 years ago
are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit. We testify that when He [Jesus Christ] came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified...
combiz9 2 years ago
Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers,
combiz9 2 years ago
Hi JCouraged. Baha'u'llah wrote about Jesus Christ too. I'll post one example and if you can find an example of Christian writing produced in the last 2000 years, written either by yourself, or by the most celebrated Saint or the most devoted Christian scholar, that Glorifies Jesus Christ to the extent that Baha'u'llah does, I'd love for you to share it.
combiz9 2 years ago
If you ever have the chance to read the "Fire Tablet" by Baha'u'llah, it will better communicate the extent of His suffering, and perhaps encourage us to consider whether "marketing" was ever on His mind. "Every morning I arose from my bed, I discovered the hosts of countless afflictions massed behind My door; and every night when I lay down, lo, My heart was torn with agony at what it had suffered from the fiendish cruelty of its foes". Endure this for 40 years for marketing?
combiz9 2 years ago
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combiz9 2 years ago
Baha'u'llah endured great suffering to bring light into a dark world, to proclaim the equality of races and of men and women at a time when slavery and racism was all that was known, and to declare that "Ye are the fruits of one tree, the leaves of one branch, the drops of one ocean. Let not a man glory in this, that he loveth his own country, nay rather let him glory in this, that he loveth the whole of mankind. The Earth is but One Country and Mankind its Citizens".
combiz9 2 years ago
Bryan I enjoyed your talk thanks for sharing. Wasn't sure what to expect given the title, as for me "brilliantly marketed" tends to imply that the teachings were fabricated according to what people wanted to hear, rather than according to some higher truth. As a Baha'i, I believe it's the latter reason why the Baha'i Faith resounds so well with people, particularly when viewed in the context of the historical backdrop of how the teachings were revealed.
combiz9 2 years ago
It's true that Jesus fulfilled Prophecy. It's also true that when Jesus returned in the 19th century His appearance was associated with more proofs and signs than His first appearance. Baha'u'llah and the Bab were also associated with more miracles than Jesus (including the survival of the Bab after being fired at by a regiment of 750 soldiers), but Baha'u'llah explcitly tells us not to consider them as proof, at least in part because "the Cause of God is not a theatrical display".
combiz9 2 years ago
actually, it is defenetly NOT historically proven that jesus rose from the dead. ur full of shit. and he never claimed to be god, paul claimed he was god.
Ahrs32 2 years ago
saved from wat? i dont get it. what if i do more good deeds than i sain. cant i go to heaven then?
Ahrs32 2 years ago
yea right, jesus never even claimed to be god. this was a huge misinterpretaition made by paul. the problem is, billions of people choose to believe this lie.
Ahrs32 2 years ago
oh plz, islam is an abrahamic religion just like christianity. why do u talk sjit abt islam, cause it proves christianity to be full of shit.
Ahrs32 2 years ago
Its bahai not bahai'ism
payvandkkk 2 years ago 2
I'm not going to deal with this comment any more. See previous comments.
BryanAJParry 2 years ago
its called the bahai faith ,,,,not bahaiism
sheaoneill 2 years ago
Please read some of the comments.
BryanAJParry 2 years ago
1) Your research on the faith should have tought you how to refer to the religion properly "The Bahai Faith" there is no 'Bahaiism'
2) You shudve known it was Baha-U-llah
3)Why are you refering to Christian views in relation to the old testament?
4)The Bahais dont teach 'no religion is perfect', but that each manifestation elaborates on Gods message to mankind for that particular period of time.
I could go on forever, but quit taking the piss if you want to present a serious argument.
hfntfy 3 years ago
"Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."
-Luke 12:40
"I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
-Revelation 3:3
Which is it? As a THIEF or in the SKY for all too see? How can you accuse others of being "illogical, irrational and just plain wrong" when you ACTUALLY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOING TO FLOATING IN THE SKY!!! LITERALLY!!!
brotherwise 3 years ago
JCouraged, youre just namecalling, not really proving anything. "By my study", c'mon man, keep it real, you know you haven't studied the "life and times of Muhammad, the Qu'ran", what about it is false, and outright demonic? and this time quote your references don't make bland generic statements. thanks.
brotherwise 3 years ago
JCouraged obviously has no working knowledge of world history whatsoever. Also, a question for JCouraged, which 'sect', 'version' or 'denomination' of Christianity is the correct one?
brotherwise 3 years ago
very good points, British scholar/historian Arnold Toynbee, in his massive 'metanarrative' STUDY OF HISTORY series, made similar points about 'Bahaism' as well. From a historian's perspective he noted that fundamental changes in 'world civilization' have always been accompanied with a new religion. He was criticized tremendously for his overemphasis on religion, which is probably why he came to the same conclusion you do- "that it may even be the world religion one day".
brotherwise 3 years ago
i'm reading into this book
Thanks
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
"It's a very seductive viewpoint"
The Baha'i Faith has nothing to do with seducing people into becoming converts as you infer.
Baha'is are instructed to carry out their own investigation and if you note carefully you will see that it's not actually an amalgamation of other religions - yes the fundamental principals of all religions will appear to be similar but the Baha'i Faith is an independent religion.
AdarshMZ 3 years ago
Yes! Every age has it's different needs.
For example in Muhammad in the Islamic faith had to deal with barbaric warring tribes that lived by the sword. Where they would rape and pillage and bury their newborn daughters alive. Muhammad had to remedy this through the only language they truly spoke.. the sword.
Now for example: war is not needed, we can converse peacefully, with full access to all knowledge and truth. The whole world is finally coming together.... with difficulty lol
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
1) Your research on the faith should have tought you how to refer to the religion properly "The Bahai Faith" there is no 'Bahaiism'
2) You shudve known it was Baha-U-llah
3)Why are you refering to Christian views in relation to the old testament?
4)The Bahais dont teach 'no religion is perfect', but that each manifestation elaborates on Gods message to mankind for that particular period of time.
I could go on forever, but quit taking the piss if you want to present a serious argument.
jewilcox91 3 years ago 2
I should humbly suggest that you learn a bit more about who Baha'u'llah was, His teachings, and the work the His Cause has done world wide.
9Aaron99 3 years ago
Baha-U-llah not Baha-I-llah, maybe you don't know everything...
Mnagetfu 3 years ago
By the way it's Baha-U-llah not Baha-I-llah...
Mnagetfu 3 years ago
I can't tell if you're being really sarcastic and making fun about the beliefs of the Baha'i Faith, or just pointing out what Baha'i beliefs are amazing. Whatever, it's a decent summary.
DavidEscalante21 3 years ago
And you actually believe that?
thegreatcheesedemon 3 years ago
Actually, it does aim for its destruction, considering that they do not want to become the people who made their people suffer.
thegreatcheesedemon 3 years ago
wow, dude.I learnt a lot,especially in the WAY you explained it all.Two things I might change:I wouldn't say Islam is "fucked" :) cuz that's a bit disrespectful,n as I marked you did get the jist of the Bahai-Faith,bahai's don't belittle the other world religions in any way.Secondly I'd add to the three main points that you mentioned,that of the Unity of mankind.You seem a very intellectual and educated guy.Bahai teachings also encourage everyone to be educated in sciences, arts etc.Thx n peace!
miseliini 3 years ago
True Dat!
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
Mr. Parry, I'm assuming? If this video is not in any sarcasm then I do applaud you. Its brilliant and fantastic! Your video is even a marketing video for the Faith. Any negatively aimed comments to your video are all in ill will and should as I hope you have done, be ignored OR used to propel good energy. People take your video out of context but I must give them credit to hear you out enough to compute a response.
Best,
Keallei
Keallei 3 years ago
I agree with Keallei. There's nothing in the video worth getting one's nose bent out of shape. I'm impressed with his deep consideration of the faith. Sometimes young Baha'is can be overly defensive when there's no need. Baha'is don't view their religion in isolation. Unfortunately many people do. Just as in language, I find it simpler to view the world's languages together to understand the complexities therein.
wegugin 3 years ago
Baha'is believe that the community of the latest religion typically reject the newest Manifestation when (he) comes. At that time probably relatively few Baha'is will recognize the Manifestation. Baha'is will follow in the footsteps of other religious powers after falling in decline. That is because Baha'is believe that all religions go through a spring, summer, autumn, and wintertime upon which the new Manifestation will be sent. The Bahai Faith will be no exception.
wegugin 3 years ago
Well i'd re-read into that. All Baha'ullah alludes to is that there will be contention in the future not in terms of numbers entering it.. If you got some other writings that i haven't seen i would love to read them.
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
I haven't quoted anyone when I wrote few. Neither have I used reported speech. This is clearly my opinion which I have based on my understanding of religious history. If that opinion is wrong, so be it. Neither of us will be alive when this happens. I doubt there is anything in the writings that refers to this. There are more pressing issues in the Baha'i Faith. At that time, I believe that PROBABLY RELATIVELY FEW of them will recognize the Manifestation.
wegugin 1 year ago
Actually perfection is not really the issue. One book is no more perfect than any of those previous. It's more like being taught what one is capable of learning in the first grade, despite the teacher's full college education. When one reaches higher grades they are taught what they are capable of learning at that stage. Just as in school students may learn one thing quite simply and then have to unlearn part of it to incorporate a more detailed, less generalistic explanation later in their educ
wegugin 3 years ago
Bravo wegugin! I am relieved someone can decipher the message properly. Applause. Being in no way sarcastic, I will definitely use your example to explain that very concept to those who ask me. If you will, I will be most grateful.
Good day!
Keallei
Keallei 3 years ago
A religion which can be interpreted differently will be fragmented when in power, incapable when not.
Look at other religions: Protestant/Catholic, Shia/Sunni would either fight each other or if they were both weak, they would not be able to influence the world.
Therefore, I don't share your predictions, personally. But informative video.
I also think the "powerful elements" you show are in fact weakness of incoherence and inconsistency in the faith tenets.
Catz007 3 years ago
Just pray that Christ gives you the love, He wanted you to have and as long as you have that you are Fine :) I mean it! God and Jesus Be with you! I'll, as Baha'i, pray to Jesus, because we can do that too! to bestow upon you that love, he wanted His followers to have! May He always be in your heart!
InspiringWear 3 years ago
And what was it again the Farcies accused Jesus Christ of? I beive quite simmilar to what you are saying of Baha'u'llah! May be you want to look up Baha'u'llah's Tablet to the Christians...that should answer your questions...
peace!
InspiringWear 3 years ago
Hey Brian,
Interesting research :)
So how come you are not a Baha'i yet?
Just a couple of observations. The correct name of the followers of Baha'u'llah is Baha'is and His name is pronounced as it is spelled Baha'u'llah! I am sure you rather have people pronounce your name in the correct manner.
Cheers!
P.S. By the way, didn't quite get it, what is is you belive in?
InspiringWear 3 years ago
So im glad you've done some research to come to that conclusion. There are 17'000 tablets only 2% translated. My knowledge is a grain of drop compared to an ocean of knowledge so im right there with you. So if you ever want to challenge your conclusion The Guardian, Shoghi Affendi has detrailed writings based on the Administrative Order of how the faith govern's its affairs as well as Bahaullah (founder of the Bahai faith) pervasive writings of the revelation of God.
imnotfunny21 3 years ago
lol "grain of drop" .. just a drop
imnotfunny21 3 years ago
A great "ocean of words" filled with false teachings and lies about Jesus Christ!
John 5:22-23
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
copacetic5 3 years ago
I love that quote.
From what I understand is that God's mercy is greater than his Justice. Just like a king having a governor carry out his plans. The Son acts with the authority of the Father. So the station of Jesus is the Son..
"Forgive thy neighbour the hurt that he hath done unto thee,
so shall thy sins also be forgiven when thou prayest."
If this is Jesus's judgement then how much more merciful is the father.. Love it!
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
Bahai revelation in my opinion does honor the Son. The messengers of God are one Religion just as the sun rises and sets with the same name. If any revelation disagrees in any way with the writings (not interpretations by sect.) of any of the past major religions, That is a great and very helpful warning. This is why the faith encourages a personal investigation of truth in their own search for God.
imnotfunny21 1 year ago
lol that is just taking Islam's stance and putting a spin on it.
If your Muslim you must believe in the Gospels, the point is they were changed over time, thus corrupted by man.
So in that context yes for there time they were as good as they could be. That is the Islamic perspective on Christianity and Judaism. I don't see how the Baha'i faith and Islam it would seem have the same point of view here I don't see any big revelation with word play.
pixelelement 3 years ago
You're absolutely right. I've given a brief synopsis of the essence of progressive revelation which Bahai's believe, but also have been revealed in all the religions of the past.
The revelation itself is profound on a spiritual and systematic basis. Questioning in order to find truth is the fundamental basis on how we function in this planet as rational souls.
imnotfunny21 3 years ago
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The opinions ive given are my own perception of what the Baha'i faith teaches, but the best sources to get the essence of the faith are Baha'u'llah (the founder), AbdulBaha (his son), Shoghi Affendi (AbdulBaha's grandson) and the Universal House of Justice (the Baha'i governing body).
imnotfunny21 3 years ago
Very much a private and a very private FAMILY "revelation" based on heresay and empty conjecture.
copacetic5 3 years ago
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many tend to find it easy to see religion in this superficial way because we are veiled by the reality of time and place. the reality of the divine, the rational soul and God are not constricted by time and place. Over time if Man does not submerge themselves in this life giving essence through progressive revelation, they will become spiritually sick and this will reflect through actions which weaken mans physical dynamic living on this planet, no matter what label they choose to adopt
imnotfunny21 3 years ago