I agree, brainwashing children and shoving your belifs down thier throats is WRONG!
I am in a family that doesn't do such an awful thing. My stepdad is agnostic and my mom is a christian/agnostic/bhuddist (I don't know what the hell she is). They let me choose what I wanted, and I chose atheism (I do have a belief in the afterlife though).
I feel bad for all the kids who have parents that mentaly abuse them.
This is actually a very good video. I haven't watched the "jesus camp" thing. I would probably lose my shit and go insane. I salute you for actually watching that pile of feces.
I completly agree with you, man. thank you for saying the truth. those fundamentalists tell their kids, in a very very descriptiv way, that they will LITERALLY burn in hell if they dont give their lifes to the dangerous evangelic community and stop thinking for themselves.
The evangelicals are way more dangerous than fundamentalist muslims.
way to go dude i absolutly agree with you. christians everywhere brainwash little kids to belive the absolute BULLSHIT of religon, not even give them a single chance to think twice or you'll burn in hell. it disgusts me.
I live in the town that Jesus Camp was made hahaha. Thankfully my mom never tried to push religion on me. Actually I dont think I ever really met anyone that went to it, or if I did I never knew. We also actually vandalized the camp quite a few times, it was fun.
I should have put this with my prev comment, I didn't enjoy my childhood thanks to religion. I wasted countless hours praying and going to church, I denied music I loved and images that exited me, I denied the very person I am because from the day I was born my parents thought it would be a good idea. Now they have a 17y/o gay atheist who lives and thinks the way he likes, who checks out that hot guy instead of looking down telling himself its wrong. I am everything they hate.
No, really I do. We want the teachers and preachers to make our children good humans. Parents are like non-parents, they are lazy. We all take the easiest path. Throw the kids in school and you're helping them grow. Public school is a couple notches above jesus camp but it isn't solving the worlds problems either. We all get brainwashed one way or the other without parents who see the whole picture.
I just watched it, I'm a christian and that disgusted me.....THEN! i got to the interview part, and i just couldn't believe what she was saying.
The indoctrination Islamic people do in other countries is horrific, and she seems to realise that, but she sees it as a justification to do the same, i couldn't actaully believe what I was watching.
I was told at a young age it was my choice and I had fun and was left to make my own decision. I became a christian at 17 and always thought for myself.
I just watched it, I'm a christian and that disgusted me.....THEN! i got to the interview part, and i just couldn't believe what she was saying.
The indoctrination Islamic people do in other countries is horrific, and she seems to realise that, but she sees it as a justification to do the same, i couldn't actaully believe what I was watching.
I was told at a young age it was my choice and I had fun and was left to make my own decision. I became a christian at 17 and always thought for myself.
@smallpotatoes989 - I'm in the military.... And I'm atheist. I have actually met more folks in the military who actually shown me what it is to ask questions about faith and see how other countries and cultures live their lives and what they believe. The military isn't for everyone.... Least of all, the conservative Christian who feels like its their right to tell people they are wrong in their own country and look down upon them.
@RosyBibliophile thro history religion has been used as motvatonal tool for war.even communist Stalin used it in WW2. The croatian ustasha who with their violence shoked nazis were religiusly motivated.Talbans are too.All I am saying that the idea of god is the greatest motivational tool to brainwash soliders to go and die.Not all but some.
@smallpotatoes989 - Brain wash? Sorry, most of the military doesn't go out looking for trouble. It's a job, a bit of a lifestyle but that doesn't mean that we are natural born killers out looking to destroy the lesser religions. I could care less what religion people practice, enemy or friend. My buddy's religious preference doesn't matter to me when I'm getting shot or mortared at. Self defense doesn't see any religion either.
@RosyBibliophile Ha ha american soldiers self defense? that is funny. iraqi people were practicing self defense, usa kinda invaded them and tried to enslave the people.you like to shoot people that is it. do not give me self defence.
@smallpotatoes989 -- Where did you hear that it was the US's agenda to enslave people? Why enslave a bunch of people who are already in civil war with themselves, the Sunnis and Shiites when they both have a common religious enemy of infidels/unbelievers of Islam. I like to shoot people? What gave you that idea? Because I know how to shoot a gun/own a gun it means I like to shoot people? Because I'm also Law Enforcement. We fall under the Geneva Convention rules.
@RosyBibliophile THE USA WAR WAS ILEGAL! IF SOME OTHER COUNTRY DID THAT THEY WOULD BE IN COURT RIGHT NOW. the only reason Bush was not and could ever be in a trial for war criminal is becouse usa is a superpower.no leader from super power can go on court as a war criminal.
@smallpotatoes989 - There are other wars going on right now in the world, where massacring and slaughtering people is a daily occurrence. Mexico,Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa... Where they are receiving no help. What court are you talking about? The International Court of Justice or something?
@smallpotatoes989 - I suggest you look them up. If you don't here is a brief summery. - The Geneva Conventions comprise rules that apply in times of armed conflict and seek to protect people who are not or are no longer taking part in hostilities, for example: wounded or sick fighters, prisoners of war, civilians, medical and religious personnel. And a person can refuse a leader's order if it is immoral or report such abuses to people.
I just watched the whole thing and, in all honesty, I'm kind of numb. At first, when all the kids were talking about how much they love Jesus, I was prepared to tell you that maybe you had overstated the harm the camp was doing. A lot of kids have imaginary friends and, while it's an intellectual setback to have the adults encouraging that behavior, they can grow out of it... but all that vanished right around when Becky started talking about Harry Potter. I encourage everyone to look up what
@DepressedAnnnie is accepted as the basic pattern of brainwashing techniques because in that one scene, Becky and her ministry go through the steps with perfect adherence to the process; identity crisis, guilt, threats, and then in that highly emotional state, a promise to solve these problems anyone with memory will know they themselves inflicted, tokens of kindness, embrace, encouragement to confess, and then the nail in the coffin of instilling the message that they are the only ones who can
@DepressedAnnnie be trusted. It's all fine to have an imaginary friend but when a child cannot stand up because they are crying too hard, that is a red flag that what you are doing is wrong. Even if a child had killed their own brother, the adult has no right to make them feel that guilty and worthless, much less for taking interest in a culture that they are surrounded with. Disgusting!
I'm a christian, and I actually agree with you. Parent's/adults should not in any way force their kids to become what they want them to be. Now that doesn't mean they don't have the right to persuade, in fact I actually promote persuading people into the christian faith. But forcing, that's wrong.
o.o WOW... I've seen all your videos, and this one kinda scared me. This is the only time Where you sound like your really disturbed. I saw the movie a while back and felt the same way, but your the guy who more or less rapped abut Starving african children.
@dudethatsmyhat I burned a bible after watching that, which seems stupid but at the time it made me feel better. Then someone found out about it through facebook and I nearly got expelled from the private school that I was attending.
I wish you were at teacher at my school...not only would you have been a great teacher, our school is far more tolerant of Atheists and Agnostics. In fact, some people have been open about their disbelief (among students) with almost no problems at all.
I am struggling with speechlessness after this one. As a father I realize I am also a teacher, and I would do well to be equipped for that role. That means constantly evaluating your abilities and methodologies, and improving them where necessary. I think that parents everywhere can take important insight from the key message, which is: equip your children with the appropriate skills for critical thought and hold reasonable expectations relative to their developmental stage. Let kids be kids.
I disagree with the last thing you said, that unless they believe that God would condemn a child, they have no excuse. They DO believe that, and still gives them no excuse. No matter how much you believe what you’re doing isn't child abuse, it doesn't change the fact that it IS child abuse. Rational adults who abuse their children lose them; I see no good reasons to make exceptions to this rule regardless of what the adult "truly believes". Good post though, I really only disagree with the end.
i just watched the movie, i just wanted to trow up. it was horrible the way they gilt tripped and fear caged those kids. they call themselves human beings? it makes me mortified to be a part of the human race
I remember Church Camp when I was younger. Not near as bad as on Jesus Camp. Still idoctrination, but its usually not as horrible. They didnt break out most of the hell shit until teenage years. Im not saying its right, just not as bad as jesus camp. Those people were sick
Despite most of the Humanity intellectual advance, there's still stupidity to this level. Jesus Camp, fuck you, fuck you all, really, you just crossed the line.
@TheShaitanjr i would i am 14 and i have been an atheist for 5years but i guess i always was cause i never was a christian in the first place being that i always did not fit with the group then going on to better answers...but on to my point if a kid has any ''right mind'' he/she will always doubt ''it'' i can't tell any of my friends though for my age cause if i do like last time they will just go berserk and start crazy rumors about me but then i guess i don' have real friends XD
@UndeadClown95 honestly kids today are really stupid, not just saying that blindly btw, im 16, and most of my friends are idiots :P. i went to a christian camp when i was 15, i knew about christianity, but i didnt know about many of its teachings and i swear i was almost convinced by them. (i may have been just as idiotic as my friends are now) most people i know dont care if their beliefs are true or not, they just want comfort from the placebo effect that religion gives you
Did I see a tear there, and they call us athests immoral. They are the ones torchering kids these days not us, we cry for them and try to protect them.
rejoice with me, little children are finding the Lord and receiving their eternity in heaven, while these godless youtubers are scoffing, and missing God's blessings. Sad that they shall go to hell, while these innocent children are receiving the Kingdom of God! Praise the Lord!
At 1:51, "Not like robots that you just get to program any way you want." I know what this means since I went to catholic school for twelve years. They knowingly teach wrong information, but since it's catholic, it's given the OK. Jesus camp can't be that bad. I am strongly of the mind that religious education DOES NOT COUNT AS EDUCATION PERIOD. Some people do not like that, but it's the truth.
its about time some one speaks the truth about children, thanks, best done, you must continue you video's, Its a fight that must be won, freedom from relgion
rejoice with me, little children are finding the Lord and receiving their eternity in heaven, while these godless youtubers are scoffing, and missing God's blessings. Sad that they shall go to hell, while these innocent children are receiving the Kingdom of God! Praise!
but if you stop and think, the other adults and yonug men tell them to have aids, to get lung and liver cancer, also, tell them to become sad, empty and kill themselves. and yeah, everyone must be punished because when a kid have 5 years old, he/she already kjnow what is good and bad. just like you. you know somethnig bad, but you just say what the hell. fuck u man, really fuk u, a lot
@GrapplingIgnorance idont know man, i leave my account open a while and my little nephew starts wrinting anything, i apoligise to the autor and to anyone that finds the comment ofensive. im realy sorry and im glad to say that my nephew has recieved a realy good hit in the nuts.
@pafloy 1/2 Okay dude, I know you probably have a tonne of replies saying this but seriously, learn to speak (or arranging your fucking words on a computer) before you start saying fuck you to people because they believe they know how children should be treated, and frankly if you believe his views are wrong it's probably because you were raised under different ones, and for that I and ultimately humanity apologizes, for my views (and the views of GrapplingIgnorance) may be wrong, but they also
@pafloy 2/2 cannot be, for they are the teachings that inspire happy children, and happy people, if god exists, and if he cares at all, that must be what he wants for us, not the blind, unforgiving warship, that leads to tormenting children into the beliefs there overseers force down upon them, if he does not want these things, than I'm glad I don't really believe in him, because I want nothing to do with someone who thinks children should be treated in such a way. If you do, make sense not rage
i dont understand the minds of evangelicals... do they not see that what theyre doing is child abuse or do they just choose to kind of tuck those feelings of guilt in the back of their minds... probably a combination of both i guess but i really dont know...
People say you shouldn't criticize religion because even if it's wrong, what is the harm in letting them have their faith? This documentary show why. Scary stuff indeed.
These "camps" are more than just despicable. What I find so vile about these adults who teach these children that they can be so easily condemned to hell, is that they drill into them that they were born evil...by the virtue of simply being born human, they come into this world sinful and already deserving of hell's torments!
I don't know what kind of twisted minds these people suffer with. Regardless, they are guilty of one of the worst forms of mental abuse of children.
@GrapplingIgnorance your willful disobedience is no excuse. There is no excuse for not obeying God., you either or godly or you are hell-bound and lost.
@saynotodarwinyeah Preach to someone who will give you the answers you want to hear. Also, willful disobedience is better than unwillful, blind following.
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I started watching that docu.. I'm only 10 minutes in and I already feel sick.
Damn I just caught this vid! GI I have never heard you so pissed! I have been trying not to watch the movie for probably the same reasons you didnt want to but now I feel I must watch it.
@GrapplingIgnorance That was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen! I will NEVER watch that again. The shear arrogance of blatantly indoctrinating children! Brain washing at its worst. That poor kid Levi I see in a clock tower sniping for “GOD” on a college campus. The both mental and physical agony they are causing those children with promises of torture for sin just, I don’t even have the words.. No words……..
@jda978 then you havent seen yet the gay hunting, witch burnings and children torturing in africa in the name of jesus. (good that at least the pobe, when he visited africa, spoke out against it. not against what ive mentioned of course, but against the use of condoms and the horrible consequences of atheism.)
@theheinzification Yes I have seen the videos actually and they left me just a speachles! Pushing people back into a ditch yelling repent as they burn them and hit them with sticks! I asume those are the ones you are talking about?! Only to the heights of evil are men driven by religion!
@jda978 yeah. i couldnt watch it at first, i needed af few times before i could watch the whole clip. humans dont burn easily. i wasnt able to watch another clips where they beat them up first. and i only could stand a few seconds of the children torturing. the face of the horrified little child when they dragged it out of the house... i know they break their bones and burry them alive and what not. i just cant forget this few seconds, i wish i hadnt seen it.
@GrapplingIgnorance I watched the movie after seeing this...and it really made me sick. I too watch and take care of children for a living at a daycare I help a relative of mine run, and to see this god awful (no pun intended) indoctrination inflicted on innocent minds. its sickening.
@GrapplingIgnorance GrapplingIgnorance, i think you might be the smartest/free thinking man in the united states of America! your bravery to speak the truth when facing the majority is and inspiration to me,(keep in mind I'm also a Christan!)you respect other peoples opinions and are a very nice person!your a hero to free thinkers everywhere keep up the great work!
@jda978 WATCH THE JESUS CAMP AND REJOICE WITH ME1 BLESS THE CHILDREN AND FORBID THEM NOT TO COME TO ME, FOR FAITH SUCH AS THEIRS IS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@saynotodarwinyeah Havent you recieved enough of a beating from people on this post to give up? Or do I have to join in the smack down of your theodicy?
God DAMN dude you are one intense mother fucker. Got me fucking pumped. The classroom stuff reflects my thoughts exactly. I am about to graduate with a BS in Physical Education and plan on taking the Praxis II for either english or biology (and I will be in the bible belt...), so I can totally relate to those points. Great video. Sub.
the problem with equal time for all major religions is that it still inserts a bias for evidence-free claims - if you include christianity, for example, there is no reason why every single religion without strong evidence (all of them) shouldn't have equal time. If faith is the prerequisite for these beliefs then they are on the same standard as any faith ever stated or any that could be stated. i.e. christianity deserves an infinitely small percentage of religious 'equal time'
My mother always explained everything she ever asked any of us to do, because we always asked why. Sometimes, she'd change her mind because we'd make her realize what she said didn't make sense. She let all three of us make our own decisions on what we believe, enjoy, and identify with, and always reminded us that whatever we decided was fine with her. I imagine this is because she trusted our judgement by then.
...Then again, our average IQ was in the 90th percentile or greater.
"JESUS CAMP" is a perfect example of how demented and disgusting christians can be. Brainwashing children into a vulgar cult simply to set them on the public unawares is CHILD ABUSE.
Jesus Camp is one of the few movies that I really felt so disgusted to the methods used by evangelical christian that its an insidious form of child abuse. I think I have met grown up people who went to Jesus Camp when they were children, and they are a living tragedy when we get to the sciences and its no wonder their specialties are remotely scientific.
I felt like crying when i saw Jesus Camp... And i only watched the first 10-20 minutes... but damn this video is a pretty good representation of what i thought after i watched that bullshit.
Good job,as usual.That's why I'm subbed.You have a comment on here that states "you don't give children choices?In an infinite Universe,you don't give children choices? Straight from the celestial dictator hinnself (Punn intended)Put any name you want in there that believes in a god,it will fit..Caps omitted -placed on purpose.Mr. GrapplingIgnorance BRING DOWN THE HAMMER..Excellent..
When I was a child I went to several places that were just like Jesus camp, so I know from personal experience just how damaging those camps are to a child's mind. I started asking questions when I was 13, by 15 I no longer truly believed but it took years of fighting to rid my self of the dogma that I was brain washed with. For years I was distraught with the guilt that was instilled in me from childhood but thankfully today I'm guilt free, rational and a FREE THINKING atheist.
At the end of a movie where Grappling Ignorance has the creationist bad guy, with his back against a chain link fence, with nowhere to run, rather than kill him... gives him this speech. Then slowly turns and walks away, leaving the creationist broken and defeated, there at the fence.
Reluctance doesn't begin to describe my aversion to watching that film. I've seen a couple of clips and read about the contents. That was more than enough. I prefer my horror films to be fictional.
@Antifides i just watched it today, about a week after seeing this video, and quite a while after learning of the movie itself. i have to say it was hard to stomach, at least for me. its hard to describe but through the whole thing you just feel a combination of frustration and fear. its actually scary listening to them talk about how they want to dominate and change the U.S., because if their numbers actually do grow, they might be able too. but yeah its that kinda movie you can only see once.
@Antifides your fate in hell will not be fictional. Forbid not the little children to come to Christ, for they are His, they belong to God, and the parents are entrusted to bring them up in the fear of the Lord and to reverence the Lord Jesus Christ all the days of their lives.
@Antifides Thank God, you can choose to remain godless, but these innocent children have common sense and a natural love for God and are the future of our country. Thank God children are being saved, for they are such as the kingdom of God. Read the words of Jesus. Get in touch with God's holy will and Holy Word.
@saynotodarwinyeah I'm sorry. I'm busy in touch with the Elder Gods, the Outer Gods, and the Great Old Ones. Maybe when I'm done with the Cthulhu Mythos, I can move on to Christian mythology.
@Antifides you can choose to be a denial if you want. God holds us all responsible for our actions and our lives. You can live for Satan or for God. Choose carefully, your eternity depends on it.
@saynotodarwinyeah There's no choice involved. The evidence for God's existence is nonexistent. That means I can't believe in him. Furthermore, false dichotomy, I live for me. But if I really had to choose between the mass-murdering psychopath who demands worship and obedience and the deceptive malcontent who asks nicely, I'd pick the second one every time.
@Antifides You choose to be an idiot and follow idiots like that Sam guy, and that Christopher nut. That is your choice, and you choose your personal life of hell on earth and hell for eternity in the hereafter.
@saynotodarwinyeah I don't follow anyone, my foolhardy fellow. You fail to fathom the fallacious folly freed from the fetters of your fetid faculty filled by faithful fear.
@saynotodarwinyeah All I have to say to that statement is fuck you. These children are being brainwashed; it isn't their natural love or their common sense; it's people older than they telling them to believe in a "loving" God under threat of eternal damnation. It's blatant child abuse.
The only thing these children are going to do to our country is drag us into another Dark Age of societal stagnation and scientific retardation. People like you deserve ever bit of hate that comes your way.
Jesus camp is absolute child abuse in its rawest form Becky fisher an everyone else who runs that camp should be prosecuted for child abuse
SikBlu 1 day ago
Well spokan, thank you.
donntruj 2 days ago
I agree, brainwashing children and shoving your belifs down thier throats is WRONG!
I am in a family that doesn't do such an awful thing. My stepdad is agnostic and my mom is a christian/agnostic/bhuddist (I don't know what the hell she is). They let me choose what I wanted, and I chose atheism (I do have a belief in the afterlife though).
I feel bad for all the kids who have parents that mentaly abuse them.
Vierzbanator 6 days ago
This is actually a very good video. I haven't watched the "jesus camp" thing. I would probably lose my shit and go insane. I salute you for actually watching that pile of feces.
Ragnarblackmane12 1 week ago
I completly agree with you, man. thank you for saying the truth. those fundamentalists tell their kids, in a very very descriptiv way, that they will LITERALLY burn in hell if they dont give their lifes to the dangerous evangelic community and stop thinking for themselves.
The evangelicals are way more dangerous than fundamentalist muslims.
watchafunnyone 1 week ago
EXACTLY. I think it should be illegal for minors to be indoctrinated, or at least people under the age of 15.
AutoTerminator 1 week ago
way to go dude i absolutly agree with you. christians everywhere brainwash little kids to belive the absolute BULLSHIT of religon, not even give them a single chance to think twice or you'll burn in hell. it disgusts me.
Deadmeat703 1 week ago
That movie made me so angry. I had no idea this was the extent of how people are brainwashing their children on a daily basis.
1234yersiman 1 week ago
man...i was raised as a devout catholic and i was happy the whole time
but then i hit my teen years and i started to question "why?"
that happened last year and two days after i first asked "why?" i got kicked out of my family
1234megamasterchief 1 week ago
@1234megamasterchief jesus!
TheRyanJeanes 1 week ago
ayy dude i really agree with what ur saying cos it sounds fair
also why r u like blacked out on the screen so nobody can see ur face?
1234megamasterchief 1 week ago
I live in the town that Jesus Camp was made hahaha. Thankfully my mom never tried to push religion on me. Actually I dont think I ever really met anyone that went to it, or if I did I never knew. We also actually vandalized the camp quite a few times, it was fun.
Corsair857 1 week ago
I should have put this with my prev comment, I didn't enjoy my childhood thanks to religion. I wasted countless hours praying and going to church, I denied music I loved and images that exited me, I denied the very person I am because from the day I was born my parents thought it would be a good idea. Now they have a 17y/o gay atheist who lives and thinks the way he likes, who checks out that hot guy instead of looking down telling himself its wrong. I am everything they hate.
makemegood5two 1 week ago
I threw up whenever I saw "Jesus Camp".
makemegood5two 1 week ago
First twenty minutes and I felt sick to the stomach and I was screaming the whole movie by the stupid remarks.
Arodarkplane1 2 weeks ago
"I blame the parents!"
No, really I do. We want the teachers and preachers to make our children good humans. Parents are like non-parents, they are lazy. We all take the easiest path. Throw the kids in school and you're helping them grow. Public school is a couple notches above jesus camp but it isn't solving the worlds problems either. We all get brainwashed one way or the other without parents who see the whole picture.
shabido1 2 weeks ago
Good argument, makes sense, can't find anything wrong with it, In other words... You sir are awesome! Thanks for sharing
Kehlsteinhaus7 2 weeks ago
This video actually made me emotional. You speak with such passion and I love the message.
Blaizerazer 3 weeks ago 2
im an atheist in a very christian school.... FUCK CHRISTIANS....... i hope theres a war between religons and only we are left
Eliot12391 3 weeks ago
GI... are you a wizard? o.o
PrinceOfPlease 3 weeks ago
... some one is just a liiiiiittle pissed off. XD
PestoPosta 3 weeks ago
Da... da... the large player is freakin' huge! Larger then anything!
matrixgoer45 1 month ago
Iam extremely impressed you got to use Tabula Rasa in context... LOL I've been trying for a while.
SomedaysDreamersBC 1 month ago
I just watched it, I'm a christian and that disgusted me.....THEN! i got to the interview part, and i just couldn't believe what she was saying.
The indoctrination Islamic people do in other countries is horrific, and she seems to realise that, but she sees it as a justification to do the same, i couldn't actaully believe what I was watching.
I was told at a young age it was my choice and I had fun and was left to make my own decision. I became a christian at 17 and always thought for myself.
RenegadeMaster07 1 month ago
I just watched it, I'm a christian and that disgusted me.....THEN! i got to the interview part, and i just couldn't believe what she was saying.
The indoctrination Islamic people do in other countries is horrific, and she seems to realise that, but she sees it as a justification to do the same, i couldn't actaully believe what I was watching.
I was told at a young age it was my choice and I had fun and was left to make my own decision. I became a christian at 17 and always thought for myself.
RenegadeMaster07 1 month ago
good video Grim!
you missed the point. the power does not want people to think, how the hell are they gona fill those ranks in the millitary?
smallpotatoes989 1 month ago
@smallpotatoes989 - I'm in the military.... And I'm atheist. I have actually met more folks in the military who actually shown me what it is to ask questions about faith and see how other countries and cultures live their lives and what they believe. The military isn't for everyone.... Least of all, the conservative Christian who feels like its their right to tell people they are wrong in their own country and look down upon them.
RosyBibliophile 1 month ago
@RosyBibliophile thro history religion has been used as motvatonal tool for war.even communist Stalin used it in WW2. The croatian ustasha who with their violence shoked nazis were religiusly motivated.Talbans are too.All I am saying that the idea of god is the greatest motivational tool to brainwash soliders to go and die.Not all but some.
smallpotatoes989 1 month ago
@smallpotatoes989 - Brain wash? Sorry, most of the military doesn't go out looking for trouble. It's a job, a bit of a lifestyle but that doesn't mean that we are natural born killers out looking to destroy the lesser religions. I could care less what religion people practice, enemy or friend. My buddy's religious preference doesn't matter to me when I'm getting shot or mortared at. Self defense doesn't see any religion either.
RosyBibliophile 3 weeks ago
@RosyBibliophile Ha ha american soldiers self defense? that is funny. iraqi people were practicing self defense, usa kinda invaded them and tried to enslave the people.you like to shoot people that is it. do not give me self defence.
smallpotatoes989 3 weeks ago
@smallpotatoes989 -- Where did you hear that it was the US's agenda to enslave people? Why enslave a bunch of people who are already in civil war with themselves, the Sunnis and Shiites when they both have a common religious enemy of infidels/unbelievers of Islam. I like to shoot people? What gave you that idea? Because I know how to shoot a gun/own a gun it means I like to shoot people? Because I'm also Law Enforcement. We fall under the Geneva Convention rules.
RosyBibliophile 2 weeks ago
@RosyBibliophile THE USA WAR WAS ILEGAL! IF SOME OTHER COUNTRY DID THAT THEY WOULD BE IN COURT RIGHT NOW. the only reason Bush was not and could ever be in a trial for war criminal is becouse usa is a superpower.no leader from super power can go on court as a war criminal.
smallpotatoes989 2 weeks ago
@smallpotatoes989 - There are other wars going on right now in the world, where massacring and slaughtering people is a daily occurrence. Mexico,Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa... Where they are receiving no help. What court are you talking about? The International Court of Justice or something?
RosyBibliophile 2 weeks ago
@RosyBibliophile not to mention northern Ireland...
MaherLeary 2 weeks ago
@MaherLeary - Very true.
RosyBibliophile 2 weeks ago
@smallpotatoes989 and what About Bashar Al Assad?
MaherLeary 2 weeks ago
@smallpotatoes989 - I suggest you look them up. If you don't here is a brief summery. - The Geneva Conventions comprise rules that apply in times of armed conflict and seek to protect people who are not or are no longer taking part in hostilities, for example: wounded or sick fighters, prisoners of war, civilians, medical and religious personnel. And a person can refuse a leader's order if it is immoral or report such abuses to people.
RosyBibliophile 2 weeks ago
I just watched the whole thing and, in all honesty, I'm kind of numb. At first, when all the kids were talking about how much they love Jesus, I was prepared to tell you that maybe you had overstated the harm the camp was doing. A lot of kids have imaginary friends and, while it's an intellectual setback to have the adults encouraging that behavior, they can grow out of it... but all that vanished right around when Becky started talking about Harry Potter. I encourage everyone to look up what
DepressedAnnnie 1 month ago
@DepressedAnnnie is accepted as the basic pattern of brainwashing techniques because in that one scene, Becky and her ministry go through the steps with perfect adherence to the process; identity crisis, guilt, threats, and then in that highly emotional state, a promise to solve these problems anyone with memory will know they themselves inflicted, tokens of kindness, embrace, encouragement to confess, and then the nail in the coffin of instilling the message that they are the only ones who can
DepressedAnnnie 1 month ago
@DepressedAnnnie be trusted. It's all fine to have an imaginary friend but when a child cannot stand up because they are crying too hard, that is a red flag that what you are doing is wrong. Even if a child had killed their own brother, the adult has no right to make them feel that guilty and worthless, much less for taking interest in a culture that they are surrounded with. Disgusting!
DepressedAnnnie 1 month ago
this is genuine anger, this must be a terrible thing happening to children
K9affirmative 1 month ago
You could have been much more harsh on these people. (Also, the second link in the video description is broken, just letting you know.)
EpicPhalosophy 1 month ago
I was listening to this while playing Shake it out from Florence+The Machine. Magical
jadkirk893 1 month ago
I'm a christian, and I actually agree with you. Parent's/adults should not in any way force their kids to become what they want them to be. Now that doesn't mean they don't have the right to persuade, in fact I actually promote persuading people into the christian faith. But forcing, that's wrong.
PenguinzoMixes 1 month ago
o.o WOW... I've seen all your videos, and this one kinda scared me. This is the only time Where you sound like your really disturbed. I saw the movie a while back and felt the same way, but your the guy who more or less rapped abut Starving african children.
dudethatsmyhat 1 month ago
@dudethatsmyhat We all have out hot buttons, I suppose.
GrapplingIgnorance 1 month ago 9
@dudethatsmyhat I burned a bible after watching that, which seems stupid but at the time it made me feel better. Then someone found out about it through facebook and I nearly got expelled from the private school that I was attending.
themongru 1 week ago
Bravo...I've been stewing over this for a while and I think you said everything that needs to be said.
TheCaptainD82 1 month ago
I wish you were at teacher at my school...not only would you have been a great teacher, our school is far more tolerant of Atheists and Agnostics. In fact, some people have been open about their disbelief (among students) with almost no problems at all.
kaminohanshin 1 month ago
Quite an insightful and passionate video. Good stuff.
stretch654 1 month ago
I like the video. I would have say that I agree full heatedly. I was unable to watch the entire movie. I only finished approximately 2/3 - 3/4.
ReasonIsNifty 2 months ago
Oh, I didn't have enough characters to add: that was a brilliant and moving video. Great fucking execution, just phenomenal.
MagneticPerturbation 2 months ago
I am struggling with speechlessness after this one. As a father I realize I am also a teacher, and I would do well to be equipped for that role. That means constantly evaluating your abilities and methodologies, and improving them where necessary. I think that parents everywhere can take important insight from the key message, which is: equip your children with the appropriate skills for critical thought and hold reasonable expectations relative to their developmental stage. Let kids be kids.
MagneticPerturbation 2 months ago 2
I disagree with the last thing you said, that unless they believe that God would condemn a child, they have no excuse. They DO believe that, and still gives them no excuse. No matter how much you believe what you’re doing isn't child abuse, it doesn't change the fact that it IS child abuse. Rational adults who abuse their children lose them; I see no good reasons to make exceptions to this rule regardless of what the adult "truly believes". Good post though, I really only disagree with the end.
Physcojoe 3 months ago
@Physcojoe Sorry, ignore that "rational" in there... they aren't rational, I shouldn't have used that word.
Physcojoe 3 months ago
heavy!
propjam2 3 months ago
What a fantastic video. Thank you.
EliteDoomer 3 months ago
i just watched the movie, i just wanted to trow up. it was horrible the way they gilt tripped and fear caged those kids. they call themselves human beings? it makes me mortified to be a part of the human race
phantomwolf2 3 months ago
Super liking this video
Rihn000 3 months ago
finally someone who is not stupid.
hider456789 4 months ago
Your the fucking man!!
cpjohan1992 4 months ago
I am 16 and the way you talk and how you state facts...makes you my hero/leader!
I give you my full support!
RebelManCam 4 months ago
I remember Church Camp when I was younger. Not near as bad as on Jesus Camp. Still idoctrination, but its usually not as horrible. They didnt break out most of the hell shit until teenage years. Im not saying its right, just not as bad as jesus camp. Those people were sick
UndeadClown95 4 months ago
Despite most of the Humanity intellectual advance, there's still stupidity to this level. Jesus Camp, fuck you, fuck you all, really, you just crossed the line.
PeacefulHobbit 4 months ago
I'm 14 and an atheist. Fuck Christianity/
detheditor 4 months ago
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Laitharex 4 months ago
@detheditor NO, help Christianity by showing them the way.
Laitharex 4 months ago
i wouldnt say 13 or 14, that's still too young
TheShaitanjr 5 months ago
@TheShaitanjr i would i am 14 and i have been an atheist for 5years but i guess i always was cause i never was a christian in the first place being that i always did not fit with the group then going on to better answers...but on to my point if a kid has any ''right mind'' he/she will always doubt ''it'' i can't tell any of my friends though for my age cause if i do like last time they will just go berserk and start crazy rumors about me but then i guess i don' have real friends XD
AlexRaveloTV 5 months ago
@TheShaitanjr I think even twelve would even be fine. They have a pretty good grasp by that point
UndeadClown95 4 months ago
@UndeadClown95 honestly kids today are really stupid, not just saying that blindly btw, im 16, and most of my friends are idiots :P. i went to a christian camp when i was 15, i knew about christianity, but i didnt know about many of its teachings and i swear i was almost convinced by them. (i may have been just as idiotic as my friends are now) most people i know dont care if their beliefs are true or not, they just want comfort from the placebo effect that religion gives you
TheShaitanjr 4 months ago
Did I see a tear there, and they call us athests immoral. They are the ones torchering kids these days not us, we cry for them and try to protect them.
WAZZA1235 5 months ago
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rejoice with me, little children are finding the Lord and receiving their eternity in heaven, while these godless youtubers are scoffing, and missing God's blessings. Sad that they shall go to hell, while these innocent children are receiving the Kingdom of God! Praise the Lord!
saynotodarwinyeah 5 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah
Bipolar much? A slight manic episode there? Go see a doctor!
Spetsop 5 months ago
At 1:51, "Not like robots that you just get to program any way you want." I know what this means since I went to catholic school for twelve years. They knowingly teach wrong information, but since it's catholic, it's given the OK. Jesus camp can't be that bad. I am strongly of the mind that religious education DOES NOT COUNT AS EDUCATION PERIOD. Some people do not like that, but it's the truth.
thereforeithought 5 months ago
its about time some one speaks the truth about children, thanks, best done, you must continue you video's, Its a fight that must be won, freedom from relgion
AngstromJohnny 5 months ago
from 3:40 to 4:02 that is an excellent point
MrBabylouise2 5 months ago
rejoice with me, little children are finding the Lord and receiving their eternity in heaven, while these godless youtubers are scoffing, and missing God's blessings. Sad that they shall go to hell, while these innocent children are receiving the Kingdom of God! Praise!
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah They're just learning bigotry so they can be like you and justify their hatred with mythology later. Way to go pal, way to go...
Acrimonator 5 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah I bet you grinned when you thought of all those people burning in hell, right?
Cayvmann 5 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Troll. Try harder.
LondonIrishRover 5 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah yes those kids will go to heaven and there they will meet the pedo catholic priests.
stupidtrooper501 5 months ago
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but if you stop and think, the other adults and yonug men tell them to have aids, to get lung and liver cancer, also, tell them to become sad, empty and kill themselves. and yeah, everyone must be punished because when a kid have 5 years old, he/she already kjnow what is good and bad. just like you. you know somethnig bad, but you just say what the hell. fuck u man, really fuk u, a lot
pafloy 6 months ago
@pafloy What/who on earth are you talking about?
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago 33
@GrapplingIgnorance idont know man, i leave my account open a while and my little nephew starts wrinting anything, i apoligise to the autor and to anyone that finds the comment ofensive. im realy sorry and im glad to say that my nephew has recieved a realy good hit in the nuts.
pafloy 2 months ago 9
@pafloy 1/2 Okay dude, I know you probably have a tonne of replies saying this but seriously, learn to speak (or arranging your fucking words on a computer) before you start saying fuck you to people because they believe they know how children should be treated, and frankly if you believe his views are wrong it's probably because you were raised under different ones, and for that I and ultimately humanity apologizes, for my views (and the views of GrapplingIgnorance) may be wrong, but they also
krazykhrisya 5 months ago
@pafloy 2/2 cannot be, for they are the teachings that inspire happy children, and happy people, if god exists, and if he cares at all, that must be what he wants for us, not the blind, unforgiving warship, that leads to tormenting children into the beliefs there overseers force down upon them, if he does not want these things, than I'm glad I don't really believe in him, because I want nothing to do with someone who thinks children should be treated in such a way. If you do, make sense not rage
krazykhrisya 5 months ago
@pafloy Wtf are you talking about? No srsly...
Alexc3217 4 months ago
@pafloy What is this, I don't even.
Laitharex 4 months ago
@pafloy What in the name of fuck are you talking about?
PrivateJoker17 2 months ago
@pafloy umm, what the hell are yonug men?!?!
MrPJD18 2 months ago
Yes Mr dark faced hoodie man! Jesus loves you! Learn to forgive people! Too it is good !
jesusandmickey 6 months ago
i just tried to watch it. I couldn't entirely. I'm so angry right now, how is this even legal ??
ThinkerResearcher 6 months ago
I saw the video a few years back. I'll probably never watch it again because every time I do it makes me angry and sick.
FSAthe1st 6 months ago 6
@Kenko87 its just sickening this could even happen and be /condoned/. It really makes me sick.
XxtehjesterxX 6 months ago
Wow, I dont know if I have ever heard you curse like this, damn! Keep it up dude! I wish we all had your bravery and courage.
nmufred 6 months ago
i dont understand the minds of evangelicals... do they not see that what theyre doing is child abuse or do they just choose to kind of tuck those feelings of guilt in the back of their minds... probably a combination of both i guess but i really dont know...
Ziggie1o1 6 months ago
I watched that movie in 3-minute chunks. That was all I could take before I had to go do something else.
FarUnlitUnknown 6 months ago
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ubermonkey120 6 months ago
@ubermonkey120 You're joking, right?
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
People say you shouldn't criticize religion because even if it's wrong, what is the harm in letting them have their faith? This documentary show why. Scary stuff indeed.
beezle13 6 months ago
I've been putting off the same motion picture.
sk8inkill 7 months ago
I wish I could double like this vid
sciwiz12 7 months ago 22
Excellent commentary.
These "camps" are more than just despicable. What I find so vile about these adults who teach these children that they can be so easily condemned to hell, is that they drill into them that they were born evil...by the virtue of simply being born human, they come into this world sinful and already deserving of hell's torments!
I don't know what kind of twisted minds these people suffer with. Regardless, they are guilty of one of the worst forms of mental abuse of children.
Cootabux 7 months ago
People... Are disgusting... It's sad seeing a mythological creature being the reason to brainwash children.
Aosgood94 7 months ago
@Aosgood94 you are a myth. God said forbid not the little childen to come to me, for theirs is the kingdom of God.
saynotodarwinyeah 7 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Prove that God is real, then prove that he said that, then that statement might carry a bit more weight.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance your willful disobedience is no excuse. There is no excuse for not obeying God., you either or godly or you are hell-bound and lost.
saynotodarwinyeah 7 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Trololololol.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Preach to someone who will give you the answers you want to hear. Also, willful disobedience is better than unwillful, blind following.
---anyway---
I started watching that docu.. I'm only 10 minutes in and I already feel sick.
CallMeCrazyyy1 7 months ago
Theocrats are criminals. It's tough getting ordinary theists to see that.
But s l o w l y some are coming around, and even telling their neighbors.
DonQuixotedeKaw 7 months ago in playlist A-4-L
Man the way you ended that, I'm so PUMPED right now I could just kick some ASS.
WCdragoninja 7 months ago
It is a horror film....a non-fiction horror film! Amazing in this day and age this kind of head-fucking is not illegal....
rogan71 7 months ago
Damn I just caught this vid! GI I have never heard you so pissed! I have been trying not to watch the movie for probably the same reasons you didnt want to but now I feel I must watch it.
jda978 7 months ago
@jda978 Brace yourself.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 11
@GrapplingIgnorance That was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen! I will NEVER watch that again. The shear arrogance of blatantly indoctrinating children! Brain washing at its worst. That poor kid Levi I see in a clock tower sniping for “GOD” on a college campus. The both mental and physical agony they are causing those children with promises of torture for sin just, I don’t even have the words.. No words……..
jda978 7 months ago
@jda978 then you havent seen yet the gay hunting, witch burnings and children torturing in africa in the name of jesus. (good that at least the pobe, when he visited africa, spoke out against it. not against what ive mentioned of course, but against the use of condoms and the horrible consequences of atheism.)
i agree though, jesus camp is digusting indeed
theheinzification 7 months ago
@theheinzification Yes I have seen the videos actually and they left me just a speachles! Pushing people back into a ditch yelling repent as they burn them and hit them with sticks! I asume those are the ones you are talking about?! Only to the heights of evil are men driven by religion!
jda978 7 months ago
@jda978 yeah. i couldnt watch it at first, i needed af few times before i could watch the whole clip. humans dont burn easily. i wasnt able to watch another clips where they beat them up first. and i only could stand a few seconds of the children torturing. the face of the horrified little child when they dragged it out of the house... i know they break their bones and burry them alive and what not. i just cant forget this few seconds, i wish i hadnt seen it.
theheinzification 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I watched the movie after seeing this...and it really made me sick. I too watch and take care of children for a living at a daycare I help a relative of mine run, and to see this god awful (no pun intended) indoctrination inflicted on innocent minds. its sickening.
XxtehjesterxX 6 months ago
@XxtehjesterxX " Do not hinder the little children to come to me": Jesus.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah ...proving my point?
XxtehjesterxX 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance GrapplingIgnorance, i think you might be the smartest/free thinking man in the united states of America! your bravery to speak the truth when facing the majority is and inspiration to me,(keep in mind I'm also a Christan!)you respect other peoples opinions and are a very nice person!your a hero to free thinkers everywhere keep up the great work!
MrDavianthule123 6 months ago
@MrDavianthule123 Well thank you for those kind words, but there are plenty far smarter than I. I am glad you're enjoying my channel though.
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Your welcome!
MrDavianthule123 6 months ago
@jda978 Thank God for Jesus Camp, this is what America should be. Do not neglect out children.
saynotodarwinyeah 7 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Are you being sarcastic? I hope so.
jda978 7 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah This statement is a whole new level of shut the fuck up
OppositionDept 7 months ago in playlist Grappling ignorance
I grew up in a church like that
OppositionDept 7 months ago in playlist Grappling ignorance
@jda978 yeah. it brought me to tears. It was/is awful and sad :(
7jshelto 6 months ago
@jda978 WATCH THE JESUS CAMP AND REJOICE WITH ME1 BLESS THE CHILDREN AND FORBID THEM NOT TO COME TO ME, FOR FAITH SUCH AS THEIRS IS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
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jda978 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah Havent you recieved enough of a beating from people on this post to give up? Or do I have to join in the smack down of your theodicy?
jda978 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah sorry some one pointed out I used a wrong word the-idiocy Is better!
jda978 6 months ago
My parents let me choose.
TheBleedkid 7 months ago
God DAMN dude you are one intense mother fucker. Got me fucking pumped. The classroom stuff reflects my thoughts exactly. I am about to graduate with a BS in Physical Education and plan on taking the Praxis II for either english or biology (and I will be in the bible belt...), so I can totally relate to those points. Great video. Sub.
imaking42 7 months ago
man i just saw a trailer for jesus camp and i felt like throwing up, i can only imanine the whole movie.
garganrose 7 months ago
scariest... movie... ever.....
tonybalonymac 7 months ago
the problem with equal time for all major religions is that it still inserts a bias for evidence-free claims - if you include christianity, for example, there is no reason why every single religion without strong evidence (all of them) shouldn't have equal time. If faith is the prerequisite for these beliefs then they are on the same standard as any faith ever stated or any that could be stated. i.e. christianity deserves an infinitely small percentage of religious 'equal time'
discipleoftheteapot 7 months ago
Jesus Camp scared the shit out of me when I saw it. It was about as scary as the last 5-10 minutes of Religulous (really god damn scary.)
ZwiffleOwnsU 7 months ago
Dude, I lived fucking Jesus camp...
leeroynaggins 7 months ago
2 girls 1 cup could only make me gag non-stop, but Jesus Camp made me regurgitate my gastric contents
choongd 7 months ago
Right on brother!
Finty290 7 months ago
At the 30 minute point in that movie i stopped and took a big shit. Fucking scariest film ever.
yuo252 7 months ago
Are you a father, G.I.?
JMcH 7 months ago
My mother always explained everything she ever asked any of us to do, because we always asked why. Sometimes, she'd change her mind because we'd make her realize what she said didn't make sense. She let all three of us make our own decisions on what we believe, enjoy, and identify with, and always reminded us that whatever we decided was fine with her. I imagine this is because she trusted our judgement by then.
...Then again, our average IQ was in the 90th percentile or greater.
ootdega 7 months ago
"JESUS CAMP" is a perfect example of how demented and disgusting christians can be. Brainwashing children into a vulgar cult simply to set them on the public unawares is CHILD ABUSE.
xephyr1000 7 months ago
Jesus Camp is one of the few movies that I really felt so disgusted to the methods used by evangelical christian that its an insidious form of child abuse. I think I have met grown up people who went to Jesus Camp when they were children, and they are a living tragedy when we get to the sciences and its no wonder their specialties are remotely scientific.
emancoy 7 months ago
i watched some of Jesus camp and it disgusted me. i felt physically sick at what they were doing to those children.
theUKatheist 7 months ago
"If you can't give an explanation for the rules, then maybe the rules are not worth following."
Pure. Genius. Not just for raising kids, and not just about commands.
Kudos.
akylae101 7 months ago
I felt like crying when i saw Jesus Camp... And i only watched the first 10-20 minutes... but damn this video is a pretty good representation of what i thought after i watched that bullshit.
distortion041 7 months ago
Good job,as usual.That's why I'm subbed.You have a comment on here that states "you don't give children choices?In an infinite Universe,you don't give children choices? Straight from the celestial dictator hinnself (Punn intended)Put any name you want in there that believes in a god,it will fit..Caps omitted -placed on purpose.Mr. GrapplingIgnorance BRING DOWN THE HAMMER..Excellent..
rickuj 7 months ago
When I was a child I went to several places that were just like Jesus camp, so I know from personal experience just how damaging those camps are to a child's mind. I started asking questions when I was 13, by 15 I no longer truly believed but it took years of fighting to rid my self of the dogma that I was brain washed with. For years I was distraught with the guilt that was instilled in me from childhood but thankfully today I'm guilt free, rational and a FREE THINKING atheist.
xxxrobert123xxx 7 months ago
This speech...
At the end of a movie where Grappling Ignorance has the creationist bad guy, with his back against a chain link fence, with nowhere to run, rather than kill him... gives him this speech. Then slowly turns and walks away, leaving the creationist broken and defeated, there at the fence.
Scene fades, roll credits.
KaseyBrownFitness 7 months ago
Reluctance doesn't begin to describe my aversion to watching that film. I've seen a couple of clips and read about the contents. That was more than enough. I prefer my horror films to be fictional.
Antifides 7 months ago 15
@Antifides i just watched it today, about a week after seeing this video, and quite a while after learning of the movie itself. i have to say it was hard to stomach, at least for me. its hard to describe but through the whole thing you just feel a combination of frustration and fear. its actually scary listening to them talk about how they want to dominate and change the U.S., because if their numbers actually do grow, they might be able too. but yeah its that kinda movie you can only see once.
tehloserisyou 7 months ago
@Antifides your fate in hell will not be fictional. Forbid not the little children to come to Christ, for they are His, they belong to God, and the parents are entrusted to bring them up in the fear of the Lord and to reverence the Lord Jesus Christ all the days of their lives.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah That's cute. Threaten me with something I don't believe in. That'll make me scared.
Oh shi- LOOK OUT, there's a chimera behind you, about to eat you!
Antifides 6 months ago
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Willnash666 6 months ago
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Willnash666 6 months ago
@Antifides Thank God, you can choose to remain godless, but these innocent children have common sense and a natural love for God and are the future of our country. Thank God children are being saved, for they are such as the kingdom of God. Read the words of Jesus. Get in touch with God's holy will and Holy Word.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah I'm sorry. I'm busy in touch with the Elder Gods, the Outer Gods, and the Great Old Ones. Maybe when I'm done with the Cthulhu Mythos, I can move on to Christian mythology.
Who's for Cthulhu camps?!
Antifides 6 months ago
@Antifides getting in touch*
Antifides 6 months ago
@Antifides you can choose to be a denial if you want. God holds us all responsible for our actions and our lives. You can live for Satan or for God. Choose carefully, your eternity depends on it.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah There's no choice involved. The evidence for God's existence is nonexistent. That means I can't believe in him. Furthermore, false dichotomy, I live for me. But if I really had to choose between the mass-murdering psychopath who demands worship and obedience and the deceptive malcontent who asks nicely, I'd pick the second one every time.
Antifides 6 months ago
@Antifides You choose to be an idiot and follow idiots like that Sam guy, and that Christopher nut. That is your choice, and you choose your personal life of hell on earth and hell for eternity in the hereafter.
saynotodarwinyeah 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah I don't follow anyone, my foolhardy fellow. You fail to fathom the fallacious folly freed from the fetters of your fetid faculty filled by faithful fear.
Antifides 6 months ago
@saynotodarwinyeah All I have to say to that statement is fuck you. These children are being brainwashed; it isn't their natural love or their common sense; it's people older than they telling them to believe in a "loving" God under threat of eternal damnation. It's blatant child abuse.
The only thing these children are going to do to our country is drag us into another Dark Age of societal stagnation and scientific retardation. People like you deserve ever bit of hate that comes your way.
LucasI3434 6 months ago