clearly this jasonbravo character was a "agent" and perhaps the most venomous troll i have seen in sometime. carring on five disinformation campaigns on here at once. (shaken my head) and whata ya know. hes closed out his account now. lol.
the white power structure of america has been using "the perception of a black threat " as subtext for unrestrained brutality and destruction of our communities for decades. pay very close attention people. things have only marginally changed from then to now.just notice some of the rediculously uninformed statements some crackers are posting here.
@Scharfschutzen1 Are you a WHITE PERSON? Usually when I hear some asshole referring to black people as "animals" it is coming from a White person.
Are all the White people who have and still engage in the mass murder of non-White people across the globe animals too? Or are they lower than the animals? Hmmnn.
I'm white and all i can say is i'm sad to see this group gunned down or bombed down which is even more disturbing to me. But that's what happens when we let the elitist control are government they took over are country along with the police and military. And people better start waking the *uck up and joing together i don't care what you are you put your differences behind you and start joining up and attacking the real enemy the snakes head not the body. The Blindergroup and all those fat cats
@woulfe42 The police have always been part of the govt. and the system of White Supremacy.. .they have NEVER been for the good of the people and by the people I mean non-White people. THey are the real enemy as well as those for whom they work. Anyone who has authorization to shoot and kill you, invade your home, slaughter your children, kill your sons and husbands publicly, serve 11 months and walk away without being publicly executed ( Mehzerle the murderer of Oscar Grant) IS INDEED THEPROBLEM
acutally there is no proof what so ever of move having fired one bullet during that incident. not one person was singled out and prosecuted for shooting any weapons. the cops themselves fired a shot a few blocks away in an opposite direction which cops then took as their sign to attack. an old tactic. the philly govrnmt of that time was pure evil.
Isn't this the group that doesn't believe in bathing, delivers babies without any doctors or midwifes by chewing off the umbilical cords and preaches nonviolence yet always has a pile of weapons around? Just wondering.
lies. look at the actually court records fool and u will see that the view u just recounted is text book character assassination on the part of the unfair and racist media. no one has to birth a baby in a hospital. two of my kids were born at home with out overseer culture involvement. and during that time it was a common misconception of bald heads that anyone with dread was dirty.more ignorance posing as moral superiority. ...FAIL.
Where i live, any idiot strutting around in front of his house with a shotgun is in for a royal ass kickin'. Cops in my town punch the clock every day just hoping they'll get a chance to hit the lights and sirens and have someone give them all the probable cause they need to really excercise deadly force. They don't give a shit what color you are... you're gettin' some. Obey the law, and you'll never have a problem in your whole life.
what does this have to do with the subject of these vids? u seem to imply that all the move folks had to do was allow the cops to do whatever they wanted? well i whole heartedly disagree with ur uninformed comment. MOVE should have backed up their rhetoric of resistance by actually training and equiping for real action. they talked too much shyt and didnt back it up with sound tactics and strategy. cops are across the board cowards.and will only attack those unprepared.
@skyjuiceification I'm amused to read your reply to a comment I left so long ago I forgot all about it. Look, it's simple... brandish a firearm in my hometown in Canada and somebody is calling the cops immediately... the call is going in as a firearm call and the Tac Team are rolling out in minutes, covered by the new helicopters our local force has. There is no way anyone who carries on like the MOVE people would be free on the streets the way they were in Philly.
Pay taxes??? R U Serious!! Did u know that the fact that we are "required" to pay taxes is actually Illegal (Read the history on the Taxes) used to fund the war as a Temporary fund. Further, Americans unfortunately rape and neglect children every day, commit racist crimes, no bullhorns used, we dump garbage (toxic waste) on a daily basis, and guns? they r the right of these "great neighbors" to bear arms.
@gallen2101 If you live in this country you need to pay taxes PERIOD! If you don't like it there are plenty of places in this world that don't require payment of taxes. But if you live in the great country of the USA and are protected by the laws and living under the umbrella of the United States protection you must pay. There is a cost associated with keeping this country protected and safe. Lots of Americans pay for this with their lives. You can at least pay your taxes!
Ok, i'm tired of being nice, all of you fucking little kids, inside and out, hop off of MOVE, none of you honestly understand MOVE so you can't make a single criticism, you can't lie about them either, all you people do is sit on your ass and try to make people mad i'm an adult, if you want to follow a confused ass system that is a literal movie that contradicts itself every day and manipulate others to see it otherwise fine, but me, I have NO TIME for this bullshit
@ShakurAfrica Holy sh*t that's funny! ShakurAfrica, thanks for making my day. "I'm an adult!"
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While it's fun to laugh at you and your hissy fits, it's even better to shove your hypocrisy down your throat. I reserve the right to critique MOVE in the same fashion that you critique "a confused ass system." By the way, it's that same system that protects that right - yours and mine. Don't like it? Try another one. Like Iran's. Or China's. Or Darfur's.
@ShakurAfrica No, I laugh at other people's anger - especially yours, since you're so oblivious. It's really been entertaining, Shakurafrica. Thanks again for all the laughs. I'll send you a Christmas card.
In today's environment, hoarding knowledge ultimately erodes your power. If you know something very important, the way to get power is by actually sharing it. Until you do, you have no power over this subject. The funny thing is you'll just keep commenting and still won't get it lol
What do you know? Still nothing? Who is looking more like a fool? Lol And your comment regarding my sex proved even more how silly you sound. Go educate yourself
@Bean2683 Sorry, Bean2683, but this is not a classroom. You clearly know very little about MOVE in general, as we've seen, less about their conflicts in Philadelphia, and less still about proper grammar and punctuation. I don't have the time to teach every dimwitted, semi-literate child on youtube about the evils of cults, the idiocy of racist, violent people, and use of the English language - you'll learn eventually. Probably.
its clear that u was the only one trolling in here. i know its an old thread. so i hope u have a life now. give ur computer a break.go outside and breath some fresh air.
Y@jasonbravo77 - outwitted and outmatched ha you wish. If this was the end of a debate you would lose.You provided no information to support your statements and you had plenty opportunity to share your knowledge but still haven't, you are just claiming you experienced it first hand. That is no big deal.....who cares especially if you can't speak on it. You are a joke, lmao. Peace
I knew I was dealing with an idiot. Reading comprehension was not your strong point I see. The bombing in 1985 stemmed from 1978 and they moved to that new area. Now insert your foot in your mouth and go back to your history book. You trying to act like you know something when you know nothing at all. I'm done read a history book
@Bean2683 You won't find this in a history book, actually, but thanks for the suggestion. And unfortunately for you, I don't have to "act" like I know anything - I experienced it firsthand. Now you know that you're outmatched and outwitted, so I can completely understand the fact that you're backing off.
@ JasonBravo77 Obviously, you don't know your history stupid. They have been feuding in Philly since 1978. Did you think it all happened in 1985? lol read it will educate you. Any other facts you want to point out that you really don't know anything about b/c clearly with that statement you know nothing but what the news tells you lmao
@Bean2683 This is your exact quote: "Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood." That didn't happen in 1978. Nice try - keep backtracking.
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Yes, I'm aware of what happened in 1978, but that was at a different house, in a different neighborhood - not mine.
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And no, 77 was not the year I was born. But again, nice try! Now open your mouth and insert your foot.
@Bean2683 1. This is your exact quote: "Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood." That didn't happen in 1978. Nice try - keep backtracking. 2. Yes, I'm aware of what happened in 1978, but that was at a different house, in a different neighborhood - not mine. 3. And no, 77 was not the year I was born. But again, nice try! Now open your mouth and insert your foot.
Everyone wants to jump down ShakurAfrica's throat but can't stop and look at the bigger picture. People not involved with MOVE lost their homes!!!! And were built shabby homes and eventually bought out because the homes were not fit to live. Ya'll need to wake up if you think that is right. And if you do, that is why the City is so fucked up now and no brotherly love, corrupt government and police can do whatever the hell they feel like it. I am pretty sure they weren't trained to do that.
Jasonbravo77: the only thing you can say is they were cancer. Where are your facts? Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood. 13 people living in a building and the police force consist of how many people? they couldn't take them out w/o bombing the building? Silly.
@Bean2683 Obviously you don't know what happened, since the bombing you're talking about happened in 1985. Maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth.
If any of you wish to see the blatant lies that jasonbravo and august are using in order to paint a bad picture of MOVE and to keep these freedom fighters in jail, first look at how they did not respond to a single one of my claims with any rebuttal, then, to see proof of their lies, search on youtube the username "MOVE1978VIDEO"
Ha! If any of you want to see a naive boy who thinks that cults should be able to rape children, terrorize neighbors, threaten cops, skip out on property taxes, and operate above the law and the community, look no further than this idiot: Shakur Africa. Give this douchebag a piece of your mind - he needs it since he blindly follows anyone who gives him an identity other than his own suburban, pathetic boring self.
Oh and lion you should look in to climate gate, himalaya gate, and Pachauri gate. Man made global warming has been proven a fraud. While we do need to be better stewards to our planet the planet has been cooling since 95 and carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
Ah yes and dont forget the Warsaw Ghetto, where one neighborhood of Jews fought off the occupying Nazis many times longer than the entire country of France did with just a handful of weapons most of which were taken one at a time shooting lone Nazi soldiers untill they had enough to fight. Poison gas in the sewers and fire ended their fight.
Then of course there are the Davidians in Waco. There is evidence for both sides on who started that fire but the ATF sure did make sure conditions were ripe for fire and if you watch the new footage in "Waco: A new revelation" it is pretty clear that Special Operations Group (aka Delta Force) put a shape charge on the bunker's roof killing all the women and children. These may not be good people in these organizations but we can not stand for military ends to police sieges.
Well, you're statement would seem plausible if it were true, MOVE barricaded themselves because they had inside information of the confrontation before it happened, they were defending themselves and their family, secondly everybody was getting arrested to the point that the MOVE house was blockaded, MOVE had a 26 million dollar suit on that blockade but since they couldn't go to court or talk to the media, it was thrown away, secondly MOVE never shot anybody, they never went...
I can see you're attempting to rewrite history once again, but it simply won't work.
MOVE was a cancer in West Philadelphia. They didn't pay taxes, they raped and neglected children, they shouted racist rhetoric through a bullhorn throughout the night, the dumped garbage in neighbor's yards, they brandished shotguns while walking up and down the sidewalk. Great neighbors!
Add it all up, and you get a twisted cult who the police dealt with in the public's best interest.
Well, as I stated before, your comment would look plausible if it were true, MOVE HELPED people pay their taxes, MOVE would have MEETINGS with the children if they were unhappy with the way they were being raised, MOVE even bought a farm in Virginia for their children so that they can grow up in a better enviornment than the streets of 70's West Philadelphia. MOVE did yell through a bullhorn, but through the things I mentioned
along with settling racial tensions, gang wars, and frat problems (West Philadelphia is a big college town) it is fair to say that they did their part for the community; a fair exchange if you will or if you could even understand, MOVE COMPOSTED the remains of natural foods in their gardens before it became a fad, the reason that MOVE walked around with INOPERABLE guns is that people in society (i.e. cops, agents) walk around with the same shit and have historically used them..
on innocent people (i.e. Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, etc.) MOVE wanted to walk around with those, again, inoperable weapons (but don't go to me, go to the city of Philadelphia and ask about that), to show the impact of society and to show that they were serious, the third amendment, your system's laws, what you seem to believe in, allows one to bear arms on their own property, you are also allowed to walk around with a dummy gun wherever you want; it's not loaded
And if you are someone who has lived through this, and if MOVE was such a cancer amongst West Philadelphia, why were there people who supported MOVE to the point that it became an organization? Why was there then a protest against the starvation blockade that crowded an entire city street BY CITY HALL? If MOVE was such a cancer, why did they win so many court cases? If MOVE was such a cancer then why did this system respond illegally to MOVE winning many court cases (i.e. arresting anyone...
What you've created in your mind of this situation is, unfortunately for you, very far from what actually happened. MOVE was a cancer. No one in the neighborhood supported them, as you suggest. Everyone wanted them out. You act as though the cops "randomly" picked on MOVE - which isn't the case. The only reason the cops showed up is because of repeated complaints from neighbors, and child abuse claims to the Child Welfare dept...
That is completely incorrect, there were neighbors who liked MOVE members and when the confrontation occured they too were beat randomly, subsequently they then wondered what was the police's excuse this time, police told neighbors to go home when they already were, neighbors were videotaped yelling at the police during this time, neighbors also showed sympathy for Janet Africa, who was chained from head to toe after the confrontation, the police came because the city broke an agreement
the cops ALWAYS randomly picked on MOVE, they killed a MOVE baby randomly who they said didn't exist (so basically your system says that my life is determined by a piece of paper), secondly MOVE was in the courts all of the time and they were winning, however, judges started to simply throw MOVE in contempt of court, a sherrif beat Dennis Africa while handcuffed after he was thrown in contempt of court, after Phil and Sue Africa tried to resolve the city's deceit on the agreement
@ShakurAfrica Please, stop with the bullshit !!!!! Your stupid, dirty little " cult"pushed, and the the police pushed back, and won the war !!! Your little crew of animals terrorized a neighborhood of hard working people with your bullshit and filthy house that infested the neighborhhood with rodents ! AND BY THE WAY , YOUR OWN PEOPLE KILLED THAT BABY, iT WAS CONFIRMED BY ONE OF YOUR OWN THAT THE BABY WAS STILLBORN !!!! miss "back to nature" didnt take care of the baby, thats how it died !!!!!
Judge DiBona threw Phil Africa in contempt of court when it hadn't even been a court hearing, Frank Rizzo, the same mayor who had a poor reputation with dealing with Africans, ordered the MOVE house (you know, the crime scene) destroyed after the confrontation despite a court order prohibiting that to happen from Judge Calvin Wilson, if MOVE were half the people you portray them to be then a FEDERAL AGENT wouldn't give them an inside warning about what became the 1978 confrontation fucking moron
...who supported MOVE was arrested to the point MOVE had to broker an agreement in the city that MOVE came through on, MOVE came through on it so much that all cases against them were droppped, why were Jerry, Conrad, and Sue Africa released if MOVE were so bad, and if you think a bullhorn disturbs the peace, why don't you try cops on horseback beating the shit out of people randomly, especially MOVE members, great law enforcement if there is even such a thing!
Finally you are the one re-writing history my friend, because MOVE is not perfect, but what they stand for is correct, plus MOVE never crossed any boundaries that are un-called for, they told people the truth, they gave to the food pantries, they helped homeless people find places to live, they helped people find jobs, they even had a neighborhood car wash, and I even remember you claiming that you used to be a Mumia supporter, these people are who you're trying to discredit?
@jasonbravo77, David Karresh probably deserve what he got too as much as the more radical leaders of MOVE did. But did so many had to die, wounded or the large scale destruction of the area by excessive force, was it required too?. Today MOVE, Waco, Rubby Ridge, & and now the Hutaree case put the at times excesive use of force or overly rushed police actions in a bad light. Some of these people became heroes because of what the government did to them or failed to execute in proper ways.
@kavindukavi Sooooooo...how do you explain MOVE girls as young as 12 being impregnated and giving birth when they were never allowed to leave the MOVE compound? Immaculate conception? When an adult has sex with a child, it's called rape. Open your eyes.
@jasonbravo77 SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WHITE PEOPLE DO ACROSS THE PLANET!! Raping children, not paying taxes, stealing land and resources, neglecting children, shouting OR whispering Racist bullcrap across the global avenues of Media, infusing it into EVERY area of people activity; Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.. DUMP GARAGE IN PEOPLE'S OCEANS & lands.. infest the GLOBE w guns & terrorism. According to YOUR standard they are A CANCER TO THE UNIVERSE!!
Doesn't really matter though, you weren't there and didn't live through it. I doubt you've ever even come in contact with a MOVE member before this decade.
Well guess who was there, and who did live through it? This isn't word of mouth, my ignorant friend. This is first hand knowledge.
Go ahead and try to discredit me. You're making yourself look more foolish by the comment.
I don't try anything, I do, there were many people who lived with and supported MOVE and you know it, during the starvation blockade protestors demanded that a peaceful settlement was made, these protestors were the neighbors, if you still live in Philly, you should know that MOVE still exists, are they giving you any trouble now? Secondly I can watch any documentary on MOVE showing MOVE members there in78 and '85, if you want me to tell you how the city broke the agreement
Resulting in the confrontation (you know, disturbing the peace, bulldozing a crime scene despite a court order saying they couldn't do that), be my guest, I dare you
You're correct, I am making myself look foolish, but i'm doing in replying to you because you even admitted to having "manipulative tendencies" in your comments, so already this is not a fair debate, but the smart thing is, I have the facts, so in the end of our discussion only you will look like the fucking idiot, I guarentee it
...MOVE immediately grabbed the spotlight and exploited the situation which escalated to a stand off with the cops. During this standoff, the MOVE members used children as human shields. Real nice people. They used children to advance their political agenda!
And you support them. The only conclusion I can come to is that you're 1. stupid or 2. naive.
Or 3, a combination of both. I really don't care - you don't know anything about MOVE in the 80s, or what happened that day. So shut your mouth.
and the funny part about all this is you are lying through your teeth, the agreement that the city broke with MOVE is that if there was nothing illegal in the house, all MOVE cases would be thrown away, only inoperable weapons and dummy flares were found, the city and MOVE also agreed to a 90-day working timetable in which the city would find them a new home, the city misrepresented this to the media as a deadline and MOVE had a gag provision on the media, finally during the confrontation
Men, women, children, and dogs were hiding in the basement, I know exactly about MOVE in the 70's and 80's, I've talked to members who were around then, MOVE had a car-wash, a watermelon selling business, they woke up every day and ran with children and took care of up to 60 dogs, the more you lie the more stupid you look, so you are the one who should shut the fuck up, not me
Finally, I can make plenty judgments and assumptions about you, but i'm not that kind of person, I actually debate with people on a man to man basis, not use manipulative tactics and lies to make myself look right. What's the matter? You weren't accepted as a little kid? You lie to make yourself look bigger? These may seem like immature questions but if you say the word with everything you think you got on MOVE I will message you and prove your ass wrong in a second, go ahead try you damn prick
"Finally, I can make plenty judgments and assumptions about you, but i'm not that kind of person, I actually debate with people on a man to man basis, not use manipulative tactics and lies to make myself look right." LOL!!! Man to man? Debate??
I believe I made myself clear, especially regarding what you and your little fake contingent has been doing to supporters of Mumia and MOVE, are you fucking retarded?
The thing is, you don't know how to debate. A debate require at least two individuals with sufficient intelligence, each arguing on opposite side of the dispute. While this 'debate' carries forward, each representative produces hard evidence and FACTS to support the argument. YOU have never done that. It has always been half-baked crap from crackpots. You're like that dino-dog Dino from the Flintstones barking and barking and barking.
Your version of debating is like the guy who tries to be the LOUDEST ONE IN THE ROOM, TALKING ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE AND SAYING AS MUCH HE CAN SO THAT NO ONE ELSE REFUTE THEIR CLAIMS. BLAH BLAH BLAH *I CANT HEAR YOU, YOU'RE NOT HEEEERE* BLAH BLAH BLAH
nah, you're all punks cause i exposed you and won against you in debates, you're just trying to be an insulting prick I speak for a lot of people on youtube when i say that you can go fuck yourself, you're just trying to divert attention, so i'll tell you what, my next videos will focus all the attention on you, just don't get mad when I make you all look like the bitch-ass motherfuckers that you are, and I'm using those terms correctly, fuck you you have no life
"just don't get mad when I make you all look like the bitch-ass motherfuckers that you are, and I'm using those terms correctly" Well actually, that isn't proper 'terms' of english but I have to take into account that you speak in Ibonics. People that use "bitch-ass motherfuckers" as a description reveal their true intellect. Dad's not around to smack you across the mouth when needed, huh. You aren't going to do shit dude, your just a punk kid with a computer.
Nah, i'm an adult whose recognized as a hard-working man, but I don't need to prove anything to you, you don't know me in the least bit, bitch means female dog, ass means a donkey and motherfucker is simply a vulgar nasty individual, you have proven yourself to be all three by joining to people to gang up on me for having my views and beating all three of you in debates, your comments prove it, actions speak louder than words, I'm not finished with either of you, in fact I have not begun 2 fight
Ha! You think that because 3 people disagree with you and call you out on your BS, that they're "ganging up" on you? You really are a mental midget. Alarm bells are ringing, ShakurAfrica. Wake up.
@ShakurAfrica Most African Americans are ashamed of those dirty animals !!! They set black people back another 25 yrs ! Dont blame the so called Devil
You're just a conscious-crafting fool because every point that you make is incorrect, I must also have some type of hold on you with my standpoint because I really don't care in giving you any type of attention, if you want to really debate me you'll have to do it on a fair, respectable, balance, otherwise it ain't fair
@ShakurAfrica Actually, his points are valid. You're the one trying to re-write history with your BS. Doesn't matter much - people know you're full of sh*t anyway.
This is not a new tactic. Fire has always been a tool to end sieges. See the symbionese liberation army (again not good people and I don't condone their actions but the police burned them out). Gordon kahl a tax protestor was burned out as well when he proved he was more proficient with firearms than the feds were.
It doesn't take much research to know that MOVE was quite a bit more than a nuisance, However no amount of militancy on their part justifies the use of a bomb that is a mixture of military grade high explosives (C-4) and gasoline.
Where can I get an unbiased view of the facts? Everyone favors MOVE but i dont want to write off the Police too quickly. Im trying to do a MOVE project in school
LionEntity: You obviously aren't educated about this but idealize what you know. MOVE was a violent organization-they had bunkers on top of their house, guns etc... Get real man-your identity doesn't have to be based in this false sense of a peaceful Afrocentrism.
You mean a bunker to protect themselves from countless confrontation? Or inoperable guns? Yeah, real violent, sounds like you should simply leave people alone and get educated
Maybe YOU should leave people alone if you're going to cry like a bitch when people tell you the truth - as opposed to the lies and myths you've been spoon fed...and apparently have swallowed whole without question.
That's all the advice I can give you ShakurAfrica. If you want more life education, I'm going to have to charge you.
@ryanwex THE US GOVT. IS A VIOLENT ORGANIZATION (CORPORATION) it has bunkers and military bases for the purposes of domination and war ALL OVER THE PLANET with at least 150+ bases outside of the U.S... THEY HAVE GUNS, BOMBS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that destroy the earth and millions of people. There is no way that African people can or SHOULD even have a mindset to counter White Supremacists with anything OTHER than violence. That is the only language Racist man understands. COPs=violence
@WONDAWOMAN and the so called police are an outgrowth of the slave plantation patrollers which were usually low class, uneducated White Supremacists who saw their position as a means of exerting power over unarmed and defenseless black people forcibly held in slavery. every black organization should advocate that it's members own arms and know how to use them. If more black people had guns, fewer would be victims of White brutality. If more non-wp had them there would be fewer wars w/Whites
all that's happening today with global warming, the end of the world being near because of so much destruction and lack of respect towards nature, has been warned by MOVE since their foundation and people took it very lightly.
they're a living example of the preservation of the source of all of life, and should never be forgotten especially in these crucial times.
clearly this jasonbravo character was a "agent" and perhaps the most venomous troll i have seen in sometime. carring on five disinformation campaigns on here at once. (shaken my head) and whata ya know. hes closed out his account now. lol.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
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the white power structure of america has been using "the perception of a black threat " as subtext for unrestrained brutality and destruction of our communities for decades. pay very close attention people. things have only marginally changed from then to now.just notice some of the rediculously uninformed statements some crackers are posting here.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
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skyjuiceification 3 months ago
@Scharfschutzen1 Are you a WHITE PERSON? Usually when I hear some asshole referring to black people as "animals" it is coming from a White person.
Are all the White people who have and still engage in the mass murder of non-White people across the globe animals too? Or are they lower than the animals? Hmmnn.
WONDAWOMAN 4 months ago
I'm white and all i can say is i'm sad to see this group gunned down or bombed down which is even more disturbing to me. But that's what happens when we let the elitist control are government they took over are country along with the police and military. And people better start waking the *uck up and joing together i don't care what you are you put your differences behind you and start joining up and attacking the real enemy the snakes head not the body. The Blindergroup and all those fat cats
woulfe42 5 months ago
@woulfe42 The police have always been part of the govt. and the system of White Supremacy.. .they have NEVER been for the good of the people and by the people I mean non-White people. THey are the real enemy as well as those for whom they work. Anyone who has authorization to shoot and kill you, invade your home, slaughter your children, kill your sons and husbands publicly, serve 11 months and walk away without being publicly executed ( Mehzerle the murderer of Oscar Grant) IS INDEED THEPROBLEM
WONDAWOMAN 4 months ago
You obviously don't live in Philly.
The members of MOVE started it by opening fire first.
The children died because they would not let them leave.
I would hope that if a band of armed "revolutionaries" lived in my neighborhood were starting trouble, that the police would step in.
By you definition of the situation, David Koresh is an OK guy.
MallratMania 5 months ago
@MallratMania
acutally there is no proof what so ever of move having fired one bullet during that incident. not one person was singled out and prosecuted for shooting any weapons. the cops themselves fired a shot a few blocks away in an opposite direction which cops then took as their sign to attack. an old tactic. the philly govrnmt of that time was pure evil.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
your tryin to re write history and u cant even say osage right
OGmeSWP 6 months ago
dirty lying media ! I in Germany never heard anything about this !
1sabineMai 9 months ago
@CorruptPhillyCops if u dont live in philly stfu
Dice22s2n 9 months ago 2
Isn't this the group that doesn't believe in bathing, delivers babies without any doctors or midwifes by chewing off the umbilical cords and preaches nonviolence yet always has a pile of weapons around? Just wondering.
caj111 10 months ago
@caj111
lies. look at the actually court records fool and u will see that the view u just recounted is text book character assassination on the part of the unfair and racist media. no one has to birth a baby in a hospital. two of my kids were born at home with out overseer culture involvement. and during that time it was a common misconception of bald heads that anyone with dread was dirty.more ignorance posing as moral superiority. ...FAIL.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
Where i live, any idiot strutting around in front of his house with a shotgun is in for a royal ass kickin'. Cops in my town punch the clock every day just hoping they'll get a chance to hit the lights and sirens and have someone give them all the probable cause they need to really excercise deadly force. They don't give a shit what color you are... you're gettin' some. Obey the law, and you'll never have a problem in your whole life.
dogterd 10 months ago
@dogterd
what does this have to do with the subject of these vids? u seem to imply that all the move folks had to do was allow the cops to do whatever they wanted? well i whole heartedly disagree with ur uninformed comment. MOVE should have backed up their rhetoric of resistance by actually training and equiping for real action. they talked too much shyt and didnt back it up with sound tactics and strategy. cops are across the board cowards.and will only attack those unprepared.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
@skyjuiceification I'm amused to read your reply to a comment I left so long ago I forgot all about it. Look, it's simple... brandish a firearm in my hometown in Canada and somebody is calling the cops immediately... the call is going in as a firearm call and the Tac Team are rolling out in minutes, covered by the new helicopters our local force has. There is no way anyone who carries on like the MOVE people would be free on the streets the way they were in Philly.
dogterd 3 months ago
god dam Amerikkka
MrBtr1 1 year ago
Pay taxes??? R U Serious!! Did u know that the fact that we are "required" to pay taxes is actually Illegal (Read the history on the Taxes) used to fund the war as a Temporary fund. Further, Americans unfortunately rape and neglect children every day, commit racist crimes, no bullhorns used, we dump garbage (toxic waste) on a daily basis, and guns? they r the right of these "great neighbors" to bear arms.
gallen2101 1 year ago 2
@gallen2101 If you live in this country you need to pay taxes PERIOD! If you don't like it there are plenty of places in this world that don't require payment of taxes. But if you live in the great country of the USA and are protected by the laws and living under the umbrella of the United States protection you must pay. There is a cost associated with keeping this country protected and safe. Lots of Americans pay for this with their lives. You can at least pay your taxes!
FLKeyz76 6 months ago
Ok, i'm tired of being nice, all of you fucking little kids, inside and out, hop off of MOVE, none of you honestly understand MOVE so you can't make a single criticism, you can't lie about them either, all you people do is sit on your ass and try to make people mad i'm an adult, if you want to follow a confused ass system that is a literal movie that contradicts itself every day and manipulate others to see it otherwise fine, but me, I have NO TIME for this bullshit
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
@ShakurAfrica Holy sh*t that's funny! ShakurAfrica, thanks for making my day. "I'm an adult!"
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While it's fun to laugh at you and your hissy fits, it's even better to shove your hypocrisy down your throat. I reserve the right to critique MOVE in the same fashion that you critique "a confused ass system." By the way, it's that same system that protects that right - yours and mine. Don't like it? Try another one. Like Iran's. Or China's. Or Darfur's.
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And round and round we go.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
Who the fuck are you, you don't have any power, you just feed off people's anger. Get a life.
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
@ShakurAfrica No, I laugh at other people's anger - especially yours, since you're so oblivious. It's really been entertaining, Shakurafrica. Thanks again for all the laughs. I'll send you a Christmas card.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago 3
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Do what you want, you've proven to me that you don't know shit
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
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Bean2683 1 year ago
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In today's environment, hoarding knowledge ultimately erodes your power. If you know something very important, the way to get power is by actually sharing it. Until you do, you have no power over this subject. The funny thing is you'll just keep commenting and still won't get it lol
Bean2683 1 year ago
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What do you know? Still nothing? Who is looking more like a fool? Lol And your comment regarding my sex proved even more how silly you sound. Go educate yourself
Bean2683 1 year ago
@Bean2683 Sorry, Bean2683, but this is not a classroom. You clearly know very little about MOVE in general, as we've seen, less about their conflicts in Philadelphia, and less still about proper grammar and punctuation. I don't have the time to teach every dimwitted, semi-literate child on youtube about the evils of cults, the idiocy of racist, violent people, and use of the English language - you'll learn eventually. Probably.
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Well, maybe not. Good luck and God speed.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
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Still nothing lol and your mistaken I'm a female
Bean2683 1 year ago
@Bean2683 Knowledge is nothing? Interesting theory, but I disagree.
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Wow, you're a female? And you're signing in as different people to troll vids? Now I feel even worse for you. Sorry.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
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skyjuiceification 3 months ago
@jasonbravo77
its clear that u was the only one trolling in here. i know its an old thread. so i hope u have a life now. give ur computer a break.go outside and breath some fresh air.
skyjuiceification 3 months ago
Y@jasonbravo77 - outwitted and outmatched ha you wish. If this was the end of a debate you would lose.You provided no information to support your statements and you had plenty opportunity to share your knowledge but still haven't, you are just claiming you experienced it first hand. That is no big deal.....who cares especially if you can't speak on it. You are a joke, lmao. Peace
Bean2683 1 year ago
@Bean2683 Run away, little boy. Run away.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
I knew I was dealing with an idiot. Reading comprehension was not your strong point I see. The bombing in 1985 stemmed from 1978 and they moved to that new area. Now insert your foot in your mouth and go back to your history book. You trying to act like you know something when you know nothing at all. I'm done read a history book
Bean2683 1 year ago
@Bean2683 You won't find this in a history book, actually, but thanks for the suggestion. And unfortunately for you, I don't have to "act" like I know anything - I experienced it firsthand. Now you know that you're outmatched and outwitted, so I can completely understand the fact that you're backing off.
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Adios.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
And if 77 means the year you were born, as a child you couldn't even begin to understand the depth of what was going on.
Bean2683 1 year ago
@ JasonBravo77so please before you open your mouth, put some real RESEARCHED facts on the page
Bean2683 1 year ago
@ JasonBravo77 Obviously, you don't know your history stupid. They have been feuding in Philly since 1978. Did you think it all happened in 1985? lol read it will educate you. Any other facts you want to point out that you really don't know anything about b/c clearly with that statement you know nothing but what the news tells you lmao
Bean2683 1 year ago
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@Bean2683 This is your exact quote: "Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood." That didn't happen in 1978. Nice try - keep backtracking.
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Yes, I'm aware of what happened in 1978, but that was at a different house, in a different neighborhood - not mine.
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And no, 77 was not the year I was born. But again, nice try! Now open your mouth and insert your foot.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
@Bean2683 1. This is your exact quote: "Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood." That didn't happen in 1978. Nice try - keep backtracking. 2. Yes, I'm aware of what happened in 1978, but that was at a different house, in a different neighborhood - not mine. 3. And no, 77 was not the year I was born. But again, nice try! Now open your mouth and insert your foot.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
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Everyone wants to jump down ShakurAfrica's throat but can't stop and look at the bigger picture. People not involved with MOVE lost their homes!!!! And were built shabby homes and eventually bought out because the homes were not fit to live. Ya'll need to wake up if you think that is right. And if you do, that is why the City is so fucked up now and no brotherly love, corrupt government and police can do whatever the hell they feel like it. I am pretty sure they weren't trained to do that.
Bean2683 1 year ago
Jasonbravo77: the only thing you can say is they were cancer. Where are your facts? Do you really know of everything that happened in 1978? 11 people died, 5 were children and several fire trucks sat there as the fire spread to the rest of the neighborhood. 13 people living in a building and the police force consist of how many people? they couldn't take them out w/o bombing the building? Silly.
Bean2683 1 year ago
@Bean2683 Obviously you don't know what happened, since the bombing you're talking about happened in 1985. Maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
what a bunch of bullshit!
xxxTHX1138xxx 1 year ago
If any of you wish to see the blatant lies that jasonbravo and august are using in order to paint a bad picture of MOVE and to keep these freedom fighters in jail, first look at how they did not respond to a single one of my claims with any rebuttal, then, to see proof of their lies, search on youtube the username "MOVE1978VIDEO"
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
Ha! If any of you want to see a naive boy who thinks that cults should be able to rape children, terrorize neighbors, threaten cops, skip out on property taxes, and operate above the law and the community, look no further than this idiot: Shakur Africa. Give this douchebag a piece of your mind - he needs it since he blindly follows anyone who gives him an identity other than his own suburban, pathetic boring self.
Good luck, and god speed.
august1876 1 year ago
Well, you and jason asked for it
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
Oh and lion you should look in to climate gate, himalaya gate, and Pachauri gate. Man made global warming has been proven a fraud. While we do need to be better stewards to our planet the planet has been cooling since 95 and carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
corporalpunishment00 2 years ago
Ah yes and dont forget the Warsaw Ghetto, where one neighborhood of Jews fought off the occupying Nazis many times longer than the entire country of France did with just a handful of weapons most of which were taken one at a time shooting lone Nazi soldiers untill they had enough to fight. Poison gas in the sewers and fire ended their fight.
corporalpunishment00 2 years ago
part III
Then of course there are the Davidians in Waco. There is evidence for both sides on who started that fire but the ATF sure did make sure conditions were ripe for fire and if you watch the new footage in "Waco: A new revelation" it is pretty clear that Special Operations Group (aka Delta Force) put a shape charge on the bunker's roof killing all the women and children. These may not be good people in these organizations but we can not stand for military ends to police sieges.
corporalpunishment00 2 years ago
I disagree. If you barricade yourself in a house with a gang of cult fanatics and start shooting at cops/ATF agents, you get what's coming to you.
jasonbravo77 2 years ago
Well, you're statement would seem plausible if it were true, MOVE barricaded themselves because they had inside information of the confrontation before it happened, they were defending themselves and their family, secondly everybody was getting arrested to the point that the MOVE house was blockaded, MOVE had a 26 million dollar suit on that blockade but since they couldn't go to court or talk to the media, it was thrown away, secondly MOVE never shot anybody, they never went...
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
I can see you're attempting to rewrite history once again, but it simply won't work.
MOVE was a cancer in West Philadelphia. They didn't pay taxes, they raped and neglected children, they shouted racist rhetoric through a bullhorn throughout the night, the dumped garbage in neighbor's yards, they brandished shotguns while walking up and down the sidewalk. Great neighbors!
Add it all up, and you get a twisted cult who the police dealt with in the public's best interest.
jasonbravo77 2 years ago 3
Well, as I stated before, your comment would look plausible if it were true, MOVE HELPED people pay their taxes, MOVE would have MEETINGS with the children if they were unhappy with the way they were being raised, MOVE even bought a farm in Virginia for their children so that they can grow up in a better enviornment than the streets of 70's West Philadelphia. MOVE did yell through a bullhorn, but through the things I mentioned
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
along with settling racial tensions, gang wars, and frat problems (West Philadelphia is a big college town) it is fair to say that they did their part for the community; a fair exchange if you will or if you could even understand, MOVE COMPOSTED the remains of natural foods in their gardens before it became a fad, the reason that MOVE walked around with INOPERABLE guns is that people in society (i.e. cops, agents) walk around with the same shit and have historically used them..
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
on innocent people (i.e. Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, etc.) MOVE wanted to walk around with those, again, inoperable weapons (but don't go to me, go to the city of Philadelphia and ask about that), to show the impact of society and to show that they were serious, the third amendment, your system's laws, what you seem to believe in, allows one to bear arms on their own property, you are also allowed to walk around with a dummy gun wherever you want; it's not loaded
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
And if you are someone who has lived through this, and if MOVE was such a cancer amongst West Philadelphia, why were there people who supported MOVE to the point that it became an organization? Why was there then a protest against the starvation blockade that crowded an entire city street BY CITY HALL? If MOVE was such a cancer, why did they win so many court cases? If MOVE was such a cancer then why did this system respond illegally to MOVE winning many court cases (i.e. arresting anyone...
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
What you've created in your mind of this situation is, unfortunately for you, very far from what actually happened. MOVE was a cancer. No one in the neighborhood supported them, as you suggest. Everyone wanted them out. You act as though the cops "randomly" picked on MOVE - which isn't the case. The only reason the cops showed up is because of repeated complaints from neighbors, and child abuse claims to the Child Welfare dept...
jasonbravo77 2 years ago
That is completely incorrect, there were neighbors who liked MOVE members and when the confrontation occured they too were beat randomly, subsequently they then wondered what was the police's excuse this time, police told neighbors to go home when they already were, neighbors were videotaped yelling at the police during this time, neighbors also showed sympathy for Janet Africa, who was chained from head to toe after the confrontation, the police came because the city broke an agreement
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
If you think there were any neighbors in West Phialdelphia who "liked" MOVE, you're either grossly misinformed of just a moron.
Nice job Jason Bravo. You owned this ignorant fool thoroughly. Maybe he'll actually retain some of this education.
august1876 1 year ago
the cops ALWAYS randomly picked on MOVE, they killed a MOVE baby randomly who they said didn't exist (so basically your system says that my life is determined by a piece of paper), secondly MOVE was in the courts all of the time and they were winning, however, judges started to simply throw MOVE in contempt of court, a sherrif beat Dennis Africa while handcuffed after he was thrown in contempt of court, after Phil and Sue Africa tried to resolve the city's deceit on the agreement
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
@ShakurAfrica Please, stop with the bullshit !!!!! Your stupid, dirty little " cult"pushed, and the the police pushed back, and won the war !!! Your little crew of animals terrorized a neighborhood of hard working people with your bullshit and filthy house that infested the neighborhhood with rodents ! AND BY THE WAY , YOUR OWN PEOPLE KILLED THAT BABY, iT WAS CONFIRMED BY ONE OF YOUR OWN THAT THE BABY WAS STILLBORN !!!! miss "back to nature" didnt take care of the baby, thats how it died !!!!!
phillyguy672 1 year ago
Judge DiBona threw Phil Africa in contempt of court when it hadn't even been a court hearing, Frank Rizzo, the same mayor who had a poor reputation with dealing with Africans, ordered the MOVE house (you know, the crime scene) destroyed after the confrontation despite a court order prohibiting that to happen from Judge Calvin Wilson, if MOVE were half the people you portray them to be then a FEDERAL AGENT wouldn't give them an inside warning about what became the 1978 confrontation fucking moron
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
...who supported MOVE was arrested to the point MOVE had to broker an agreement in the city that MOVE came through on, MOVE came through on it so much that all cases against them were droppped, why were Jerry, Conrad, and Sue Africa released if MOVE were so bad, and if you think a bullhorn disturbs the peace, why don't you try cops on horseback beating the shit out of people randomly, especially MOVE members, great law enforcement if there is even such a thing!
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
Finally you are the one re-writing history my friend, because MOVE is not perfect, but what they stand for is correct, plus MOVE never crossed any boundaries that are un-called for, they told people the truth, they gave to the food pantries, they helped homeless people find places to live, they helped people find jobs, they even had a neighborhood car wash, and I even remember you claiming that you used to be a Mumia supporter, these people are who you're trying to discredit?
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
@jasonbravo77, David Karresh probably deserve what he got too as much as the more radical leaders of MOVE did. But did so many had to die, wounded or the large scale destruction of the area by excessive force, was it required too?. Today MOVE, Waco, Rubby Ridge, & and now the Hutaree case put the at times excesive use of force or overly rushed police actions in a bad light. Some of these people became heroes because of what the government did to them or failed to execute in proper ways.
56LC 1 year ago
@jasonbravo77 MOVE did NOT rape children. Do not create misinformation to support your biased opinion.
kavindukavi 1 year ago
@kavindukavi Sooooooo...how do you explain MOVE girls as young as 12 being impregnated and giving birth when they were never allowed to leave the MOVE compound? Immaculate conception? When an adult has sex with a child, it's called rape. Open your eyes.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
@jasonbravo77 Give proof that they were racist and raped people!
OsamaJizzLaden666 11 months ago 4
What about 1977 and the first MOVE confrontation? You totally ignored the first confrontation and the rationale on why the police did what they did.
krauser5396 2 months ago
@jasonbravo77 SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WHITE PEOPLE DO ACROSS THE PLANET!! Raping children, not paying taxes, stealing land and resources, neglecting children, shouting OR whispering Racist bullcrap across the global avenues of Media, infusing it into EVERY area of people activity; Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.. DUMP GARAGE IN PEOPLE'S OCEANS & lands.. infest the GLOBE w guns & terrorism. According to YOUR standard they are A CANCER TO THE UNIVERSE!!
WONDAWOMAN 4 months ago
to ANY police precint or ANY police officer's home to kill police officers or ATF agents, so essentially, MOVE did not have this coming to them
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
Doesn't really matter though, you weren't there and didn't live through it. I doubt you've ever even come in contact with a MOVE member before this decade.
Well guess who was there, and who did live through it? This isn't word of mouth, my ignorant friend. This is first hand knowledge.
Go ahead and try to discredit me. You're making yourself look more foolish by the comment.
jasonbravo77 2 years ago
I don't try anything, I do, there were many people who lived with and supported MOVE and you know it, during the starvation blockade protestors demanded that a peaceful settlement was made, these protestors were the neighbors, if you still live in Philly, you should know that MOVE still exists, are they giving you any trouble now? Secondly I can watch any documentary on MOVE showing MOVE members there in78 and '85, if you want me to tell you how the city broke the agreement
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
Resulting in the confrontation (you know, disturbing the peace, bulldozing a crime scene despite a court order saying they couldn't do that), be my guest, I dare you
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
You're correct, I am making myself look foolish, but i'm doing in replying to you because you even admitted to having "manipulative tendencies" in your comments, so already this is not a fair debate, but the smart thing is, I have the facts, so in the end of our discussion only you will look like the fucking idiot, I guarentee it
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
...MOVE immediately grabbed the spotlight and exploited the situation which escalated to a stand off with the cops. During this standoff, the MOVE members used children as human shields. Real nice people. They used children to advance their political agenda!
And you support them. The only conclusion I can come to is that you're 1. stupid or 2. naive.
Or 3, a combination of both. I really don't care - you don't know anything about MOVE in the 80s, or what happened that day. So shut your mouth.
jasonbravo77 2 years ago
and the funny part about all this is you are lying through your teeth, the agreement that the city broke with MOVE is that if there was nothing illegal in the house, all MOVE cases would be thrown away, only inoperable weapons and dummy flares were found, the city and MOVE also agreed to a 90-day working timetable in which the city would find them a new home, the city misrepresented this to the media as a deadline and MOVE had a gag provision on the media, finally during the confrontation
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
Men, women, children, and dogs were hiding in the basement, I know exactly about MOVE in the 70's and 80's, I've talked to members who were around then, MOVE had a car-wash, a watermelon selling business, they woke up every day and ran with children and took care of up to 60 dogs, the more you lie the more stupid you look, so you are the one who should shut the fuck up, not me
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
Finally, I can make plenty judgments and assumptions about you, but i'm not that kind of person, I actually debate with people on a man to man basis, not use manipulative tactics and lies to make myself look right. What's the matter? You weren't accepted as a little kid? You lie to make yourself look bigger? These may seem like immature questions but if you say the word with everything you think you got on MOVE I will message you and prove your ass wrong in a second, go ahead try you damn prick
ShakurAfrica 2 years ago
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"Finally, I can make plenty judgments and assumptions about you, but i'm not that kind of person, I actually debate with people on a man to man basis, not use manipulative tactics and lies to make myself look right." LOL!!! Man to man? Debate??
Epiales 1 year ago
I believe I made myself clear, especially regarding what you and your little fake contingent has been doing to supporters of Mumia and MOVE, are you fucking retarded?
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
The thing is, you don't know how to debate. A debate require at least two individuals with sufficient intelligence, each arguing on opposite side of the dispute. While this 'debate' carries forward, each representative produces hard evidence and FACTS to support the argument. YOU have never done that. It has always been half-baked crap from crackpots. You're like that dino-dog Dino from the Flintstones barking and barking and barking.
Epiales 1 year ago
Your version of debating is like the guy who tries to be the LOUDEST ONE IN THE ROOM, TALKING ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE AND SAYING AS MUCH HE CAN SO THAT NO ONE ELSE REFUTE THEIR CLAIMS. BLAH BLAH BLAH *I CANT HEAR YOU, YOU'RE NOT HEEEERE* BLAH BLAH BLAH
Epiales 1 year ago
Your a punk.
Epiales 1 year ago
nah, you're all punks cause i exposed you and won against you in debates, you're just trying to be an insulting prick I speak for a lot of people on youtube when i say that you can go fuck yourself, you're just trying to divert attention, so i'll tell you what, my next videos will focus all the attention on you, just don't get mad when I make you all look like the bitch-ass motherfuckers that you are, and I'm using those terms correctly, fuck you you have no life
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
"just don't get mad when I make you all look like the bitch-ass motherfuckers that you are, and I'm using those terms correctly" Well actually, that isn't proper 'terms' of english but I have to take into account that you speak in Ibonics. People that use "bitch-ass motherfuckers" as a description reveal their true intellect. Dad's not around to smack you across the mouth when needed, huh. You aren't going to do shit dude, your just a punk kid with a computer.
Epiales 1 year ago
Nah, i'm an adult whose recognized as a hard-working man, but I don't need to prove anything to you, you don't know me in the least bit, bitch means female dog, ass means a donkey and motherfucker is simply a vulgar nasty individual, you have proven yourself to be all three by joining to people to gang up on me for having my views and beating all three of you in debates, your comments prove it, actions speak louder than words, I'm not finished with either of you, in fact I have not begun 2 fight
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
"I have not begun 2 fight" That is the funniest shit you have saisd yet! Where is your fight? Bring it.
Epiales 1 year ago
You my friend, are not a man if you need two people who clearly don't have power over themselves to debate me, you're the real punk
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
Ha! You think that because 3 people disagree with you and call you out on your BS, that they're "ganging up" on you? You really are a mental midget. Alarm bells are ringing, ShakurAfrica. Wake up.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
you haven't called out shit, you've just been using these types of comments you pathetic piece of shit
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
@ShakurAfrica Most African Americans are ashamed of those dirty animals !!! They set black people back another 25 yrs ! Dont blame the so called Devil
phillyguy672 1 year ago
You're just a conscious-crafting fool because every point that you make is incorrect, I must also have some type of hold on you with my standpoint because I really don't care in giving you any type of attention, if you want to really debate me you'll have to do it on a fair, respectable, balance, otherwise it ain't fair
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
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jasonbravo77 1 year ago
@ShakurAfrica Actually, his points are valid. You're the one trying to re-write history with your BS. Doesn't matter much - people know you're full of sh*t anyway.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
Part II
This is not a new tactic. Fire has always been a tool to end sieges. See the symbionese liberation army (again not good people and I don't condone their actions but the police burned them out). Gordon kahl a tax protestor was burned out as well when he proved he was more proficient with firearms than the feds were.
corporalpunishment00 2 years ago
It doesn't take much research to know that MOVE was quite a bit more than a nuisance, However no amount of militancy on their part justifies the use of a bomb that is a mixture of military grade high explosives (C-4) and gasoline.
corporalpunishment00 2 years ago
Where can I get an unbiased view of the facts? Everyone favors MOVE but i dont want to write off the Police too quickly. Im trying to do a MOVE project in school
greenstratplayer 2 years ago
LionEntity: You obviously aren't educated about this but idealize what you know. MOVE was a violent organization-they had bunkers on top of their house, guns etc... Get real man-your identity doesn't have to be based in this false sense of a peaceful Afrocentrism.
ryanwex 2 years ago 5
You mean a bunker to protect themselves from countless confrontation? Or inoperable guns? Yeah, real violent, sounds like you should simply leave people alone and get educated
ShakurAfrica 1 year ago
Maybe YOU should leave people alone if you're going to cry like a bitch when people tell you the truth - as opposed to the lies and myths you've been spoon fed...and apparently have swallowed whole without question.
That's all the advice I can give you ShakurAfrica. If you want more life education, I'm going to have to charge you.
jasonbravo77 1 year ago
@ryanwex THE US GOVT. IS A VIOLENT ORGANIZATION (CORPORATION) it has bunkers and military bases for the purposes of domination and war ALL OVER THE PLANET with at least 150+ bases outside of the U.S... THEY HAVE GUNS, BOMBS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that destroy the earth and millions of people. There is no way that African people can or SHOULD even have a mindset to counter White Supremacists with anything OTHER than violence. That is the only language Racist man understands. COPs=violence
WONDAWOMAN 4 months ago
@WONDAWOMAN and the so called police are an outgrowth of the slave plantation patrollers which were usually low class, uneducated White Supremacists who saw their position as a means of exerting power over unarmed and defenseless black people forcibly held in slavery. every black organization should advocate that it's members own arms and know how to use them. If more black people had guns, fewer would be victims of White brutality. If more non-wp had them there would be fewer wars w/Whites
WONDAWOMAN 4 months ago
Send them to china and see if they can organize there since it seems these people do not like the policys of the country they live in.
brindell 2 years ago
thank you very much for this documentary.
i love and support MOVE all the way.
all that's happening today with global warming, the end of the world being near because of so much destruction and lack of respect towards nature, has been warned by MOVE since their foundation and people took it very lightly.
they're a living example of the preservation of the source of all of life, and should never be forgotten especially in these crucial times.
Ona MOVE, and long live John Africa!!!!!!
LionEntity 2 years ago
Yawn.
august1876 2 years ago