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  • Neat combo. I cast mind breaker trap... the door is right behind you.

  • :P

    

  • i have a deck that uses this, works well in 2hg. i tossed in a kami of false hope, as well as some ronom unicorns. they tend to help out quite a bit, and are cheap to buy.

  • Enduring Renewall + Alluren and a mogg fanatic in hand xD

  • love createrues that can sacrifice itself to add any effect to the battlefield .

    grave pact <3

  • I love the music, name please?

  • if you can get Earthcraft onto the table as well, you will get infinite mana by tapping the cantor each time to untap a basic land.

  • Your opponent probably has more then one cancel type card in their hand. If you intend to play against a 4 year old, this combo may work.

  • jesus... i like it, the cards are rougly inexpensive too. great job.

  • I really like the music you chose for your videos. It is really calm and soothing.

  • ok, maybe this is an extremely noobish question, but when you get the extra green or red mana, is it for that one turn only?

  • @gaersofwar yes

  • @gaersofwar Mana pools empty at the end of each phase. so really, before main phase is even over. but doesn't matter because there's a plethora of great ways to win with all that mana. I would actually lose the Dragon's Fang/Wurm's Tooth tho, I don't think you really need the life and those spots could be better used for control

  • yeah, if my opp got counterspells he wouldnt even allow me to cast cantor in the first place. nice mini combo but dont build a deck around it.

  • @bylooon Guttural Response? Vexing Shusher? Autumn's Veil? So many ways to protect your combo, so few cards in it.

  • @lifeinsepia game 1 you might win, game 2 the opponent knows what you do and simply counter everything you want to do. a combo is best countered at its very start, not when it actually starts to combo.

    and there are many combos like this.. like intruder alarm and "tap-some-elves-for-a-creature­" or other..

  • @bylooon I'd just counter their counters. That's what the veil and guttural response are for. Use them to get the vexing shusher out, then protect it using some counter magic of your own. Having a combo deck is a mistake, you need a deck with a combo winner.

  • I'd recommend a Felidar Sovereign to abuse the infinite life. Also, Rain of Gore is a much-ignored card that can here turn all of that gain into loss. Maybe some enchantment killers could work in the sideboard.

  • If you like this combo You may also want to throw in a Blasting Station and either Phyrexian walkers or Ornithopters. You can get ass loads of life, but use the Blasting station Orny combo for the win. (Fruity Pebbles Deck) Basically sacing a 0ccc to BS doin 1dmg each time and playing it for free rinse and repeat.

  • Can you also choose to add a green mana to your mana pool? Or does that make you Cantor a green card (for as long as it remains on the battlefield)?

  • no the card is both red and green so you can sac it for green mana and bring it back for it still to remain red and green.

  • i prefer brain freeze i loooveeee to mill people!!!!

  • Why not just counter wild cantor or renewal if you have a counter spell? o.O

  • why not just counter everything u play ?

  • I got deck like this !!

  • Storm is a triggered ability, when the grapeshot goes on the stack the storm triggers placing copies of the spell on the stack upon resolution of the storm trigger. The only way to stop the is to counter the trigger ability with a card like stifle or trickbind. Countering the original spell does not stop the triggered ability from resolving.

  • @brittonsm Naturally, the copies are still there no matter what. Storm is casting the same spell multiple times for the cost of only one cast. People forget. A counter only stops one spell.

  • That's not true. At the initial casting the storm ability triggers and all copies go on the stack. Trickbind or the like is the only way to stop the storm trigger.

  • Another one for ya noob.

    Playing a spell means put it to stack. Counter doesn't prevent from playing, but from resolving..

    Counters simply put the spell they target from stack to their owner graveyards nothing more..

    If a spell is already on the stack, it already had been played or put there by some effect.

    PS: A played spell is already on the stack.

    PS 2: Some random noobs like ya ruin the game...

  • you can also replace grapeshot with extractor demon ( altought the combo would kost much more mana).

  • you know that if they know what your going for they will just counter the creature or the enchantment

  • Swift Silence. Boom.

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  • WHAT SONG IS THIS o.O????

  • It is from the movie - The Good The Bad and the Ugly. It is called "The Ecstacy of Gold." You will find it on youtube of course :)

  • hey hey heey joshii!!! Please, can you put combos with shadowmoor cards, or decks? whatever GREAT VIDEOS KEEP GOING!!!

  • Chaposaaa

    wanna use shadowmoar cards? combo painter's servant with a grindstone. the stone is't shadowmoar but the servant is

  • why not the old fasion icrhronic septors and scent of jasime ...the septors scent of jasmine look it up...

  • isochron scepter^^

    ps + orim's chant = WIN

  • I didn't take the time to check the comments for this combo so if a restate it, I am sorry. How about Enduring Renewal, Nantuko Hush, and ornothopter, and infinite/infinite creature, gristle grinner also works. Death greeter also infinite life, how about dragon fodder?

  • Is Enduring Renewal allowed in Extended format? I think it is, right? Its a classical card, but some classical cards are allowed there if they are after 7th edition.

  • Every reprinted card from the time spiral timeshifted are 100% tournament legal. So yes, allowed in Extended.

  • it was timeshifted.

    cards are only allowed if they printed post onslaught.. AARGH

  • Nice old west music, I wonder if Tuco and Angel Eye's play magic?

  • I believe his name was Blondie, not Angel Eyes and he'd probably just shoot you if he lost.

  • Throw a summoners pact in there for a faster combo potential " If you dont have wild cantor in your hand you can search for her to complete your combo if the other pieces of the combo are already set up and ready to go off"

  • oh my lord in freaking heaven thats like fricken awsome but the problem is getting out first turn and you could also fireball them for like a million

  • its funny because there is a guy named "cantor" who studied the number infinity. lol

  • funny

  • @fr0stb1te For sorin markov aswel because incidentally, there's a mathematician named S. Sorin who did research on Markov Chains

  • @GHOSTLYSPIRIT way to steal quotes from gatherer

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  • @fr0stb1te ok...but...before thinking about how to counter the combo...could we use cantor's ability when it's just summoned?no summon weakness?can i sacrifice it when it's just summoned?if i can do that, i can play birds of paradise and tap it immediatly for another mana for another bird and again and again too...i think there's something wrong... ;) but it's a nice idea!!

  • @zestini well there's a difference you haven't noticed

    summoner sickness doesn't make a creature unable to use abilities - it makes it unable to attack or use abilities that require it to TAP

    so u can use a creatures ability when it enters play as long as it doesn't have to tap. sac'ing is not taping so the cantor is legal the bird of paradise aint

  • @fr0stb1te i think wizards had that in mind XD

  • song?

  • ecstasy of gold

  • umm..

    It's flawed for the opponent can just counterspell the Wild Cantor.. But other than that its an amazing combo.

  • Sideboard Gutteral Response or a Vexxing Shusher then.

  • @Walrustimesfive He's got you there. Also, ANY combo hates counter spells. Show me one that doesn't and I'll be damn impressed.

  • @Walrustimesfive Lol if wild cantor was countered enduring renewal wold return it to your hand. The only ways this combo can be attacked are by either countering enduring renewal (I would recommend either including or side boarding auramancer to return it to your hand so you don't depend on drawing another or drawing a tutor) or by removind the renewal with a card like oblivion ring. Of course this is not to say the combo is bad, combos are generally weak to a well made control deck.

  • you can use this for Ornithopter as well and Run Door of Destenies your opponets screwed

  • Yeah, what music was that, it is really good, I want to download it, and nice combo, used to play it back in the day, problem is they would always counter the enduring renewal.

  • jaja the las part was very fun it says "if your opponets have a conter" jaja if your opponet really got a counter spell he will counter the wild cantor before u get many life or the 20 spells for the storm jaja

  • I like this combo much more than flash hulk :P

  • If the opponent had a counterspell obviously he would have countered Wild Cantor. He wouldn't have waited for you to play grapeshot ( since you are playing with your hands revealed he should see that playing many times Wild Cantor is really bad )... :P

  • Hi, can you tel me what is the music you used ?

    It's very nice!

    Thanks.

  • OK i ran a deck with enduring renewal (this was a very old deck). It was black/white. Ornithopter was my sacrificial card of choice, I used Ashnod's Altar to do the sacrificing. Also you can use Fallen Angel for the kill. Minion of lechrec thinned out the creatures. Hell's caretakers to get creatures into play. There were some fun things i used to keep my opponents crying (just think black/white removal that cost less than 4) but i cant remember them ATM i haven't played MTG in some 4-5 years.

  • Well, heres how I see this, With the people I play with (noobs) They only use the bluse spell, counterspell. So as long as they are not using that, I would be okay lol.

  • The fact that they use counterspells doesn't mean they're noobs, just cowards. I'm not sure which is worse.

  • cowards is not always a bad thing it could be called as playing it smart

  • You definitely have a point. Using counterspells are part of being blue, and blue is the most intelligent way to play Magic.

  • well... the opponets I play would be smart enough to just counter the cantor...

    that said...

    Enduring Renewal... the good ol' days... that card has NEVER been what people thought it would be... broken.

    it has ALWAYS been what the designers thought it wouldn't be.... fun:)

  • U can play cantor at first turn and i think your opponents is not going to use pact of negation to it...

  • but they can counter it when u start to combo urself ...

  • If the opponent had a counterspell obviously he would have countered Wild Cantor. He wouldn't have waited for you to play grapeshot ( since you are playing with your hands revealed he should see that playing many times Wild Cantor is really bad )... :P

  • If storm is an effect of the spell, and I counter it the moment you declare you are playing the sorcery - how does the effect of the spell take place (namely storm)? It doesn't make sense.

    Supposing this is true, I could play a creature that said "when this comes into play..." and even if you counter it, the effect still takes place.

    Counter spells prevent a spell from coming into play, so no, storm does not take effect.

  • as soon as a spell goes on the stack. the storm ability is triggered. Thus, before you can counter, the copies are already on the stack. This is the main reason storm decks are so powerful. Because they are so hard to counter

  • and if your creature says "when this comes into play" the ability is not triggered. But if it says "when you play this" it is. even if it is countered.

  • ohh, okay. This makes a lot more sense than josh's explanation. And split-second works by the same "when played" logic. I get it now, you're right.

  • This is tricky, but the storm effect triggers from playing the spell, not from the spell resolving. If you were to counter any spell the player still gets credit for playing the spell even though the spell never came into play. Think about it like this, you tap the mana, put the spell on the table, you just now successfully played a spell, the spell gets countered, it goes to your graveyard, you still gain any abilities from playing a spell even if the spell itself does not go into effect.

  • great, so according to you, dakmor lancer destroys a non-black creature no matter what... I don't buy it. As far as I knew, first you tap the mana then you play the spell. Once the spell becomes registered, its effects take place. The problem with your idea is that the spell is NOT successfully played if you counter-spell it.

  • No, Dakmor Lancer says it destroys a non black creature when it comes into play, if it's countered it never came into play. There is a difference between playing a spell and a spell coming into play. Storm goes into effect when the spell is played, not when it comes into play.

  • @jedi1josh Nice one there!

  • Counterspells can counter any ONE of the 21 spells.

  • no.

  • i have a question.....i have a stream hopper.....its a red blue hybrid....if you tap a red/blue mana it gains flying....now if i give it shroud....i can still play the creatures ability because i am not targeting it....if im correct can you please give me a link because i have been looking all day.....

  • yes it will still gain flying if it has shroud

  • So, I got these carsds today, so I will try if the combo works. I made it red-green and white is just the renewal. I hvae there elves for any lands. Destroy enchantments and artifacts that they will not stop the combo etc.

  • just thought of this, and its kind of similar:

    have creatures that cost 0, and then sac em with nantuko husk, then give him trample.

  • You can do this with with any card with a sac ability, enduring renewal, and the lorwyn card deathrender

  • never thought of this one.

  • I have a different yet amusing deck based off of Cloudstone curio any type of kobold that costs 0 and grapeshot...that i can get if things go well on the first turn...but usually within the first 5 turns.

  • Here's one: Two Sensei's Divining Top, 1 helm of awakening, and a brain freeze. Play the helm of awakening, then cast the two tops for FREE, repeat the tap to draw/ top deck the other top individually as many times as desired, then brainfreeze to win. Or grapeshot. Either Or. Game Over. I use this combo in counter/control just incase they wanna try to counterspell ne thing.

  • I'm guessing that if your opponent has a counterspell and a functional brain they'll counter the cantor :). Nice combo.

  • What's even better to see is someone stifle the Storm ability, since it is triggered.

  • Actually if they had a brain they'd counter the renewal. Why would you want their cretures coming back from the dead?

  • What program do you use to make your vids???

  • Slide show movie maker.

  • heh i like it, not that good but might work as a surprise. and yes play Essence Warden and/or a Soul Warden over the artifact.

    grapeshot is a obivous kill since ure making alot of storm but isen't there an esier 1 ? then again if ure on 9999999 life u have prolly won anyways

  • Yeah I recently built this into a deck and scrapped the artifact for both essence warden and soul warden. I will put a full deck list to the video description to the right if you are interested in how I built it. It still is kind of slow and doesn't work against aggro to well. I think grapeshot is the best choice for this deck.

  • yea grapeshot is, made a deck on this idear in t2, my problem is i can't use wildcantor so im using Ornitopter and a sacrifice engine like Nantuko husk hes also my kill. If u know a creature in t2 like wild cantor or have any idears to improve it plz write, is ures t2 aswell? if so ide love to see a decklist.

  • No it's not Type2 and unfortunately there is no way to build this as a Type2 and it be effective

  • no but it dose work , and ive actually gotten the combo gouing playing husk first its black so they have to use some good removal on it, then when i go off i play the soul warden then the enchantment play ornitopter and sac away ! for infi life and a big ass husk, i try to make it better by cutting some cards from the combo and put in search spells like Diabolic Tutor and also play Negate and Pact of negation to make it more stable, its pretty fun. but not good enought.

  • type 2 is 4 tournament fags.

    ravnica all the way!!!!!

  • will they legally let you do that in a competition?

  • yes

  • but thats rediculous!

    cant you just destroy their artifact?

  • Well you could always put a Essence Warden and/or a Soul Warden there instead of the artifact. As a matter of fact it would be better.

  • will somebody plx tell me the name of the song i dont remember :P? just somthing about an old cowboy film .. and metallica using it :S?

  • you dont need to worry about counterspells because the counterspell adds another speel to the storm so the counterspell doesnt really do anything

  • Dream of Gold by Ennio Morricone I believe the song is.

  • where can I buy a complete deck that people have already created??

  • Now THAT's tier 1 legal.

  • Nice Video, but with Enduring renewal there comes a whole lot of combos, some fun, mean saddistic combos that make me feal angry that I don't own one (enduring renewal that is)

  • I just bought some online for 50 cents each

  • if your oponent have a counterspell and your playing wild canor agin and agin i think he might understand your going to play a storm card and counter your wild cantor and reneval does only bring back cards that was put into graveyard frome play :p

  • Well Negate can only counter non creature spells and Muddle the Mixture can only counter instants and sorceries. Your opponent may have one of those, and it's better safe than sorry.

  • have you played creature feature well i made a deck based on this combo.

  • sorry meant to say excellent choice of music

  • excellent must choice

  • Pebbles (I think this is defined as Cocoa pebbles). It's a very famous strategy.

  • Whats the name of the song????????

  • Song is "The Ecstasy of Gold"

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