Inside Iraq - Iraqi / Israeli diplomacy? - 3 Apr 09 - Part 2

[Darklordabc]

I bet the Israels wished they were part of Europe or something. Being surrounded by angry Islamic failed states must be a real buzz kill.

[ritamalik]

BTW did you notice how this Tikrity thinks that Saddam though he was a tyrant and a thug was still better for Iraqis because he somehow "united" them against Israel!!! For these sick Arabs like him having a nice democratic country with prosperous people is not as important as being united in hate against Israel!! Mr. Kedar! I am an Iranian ex-pat and I am 100% with you and Israel! These pathetic Muslim countries (Iran included) should mind their own problems and leave Israel alone!

[ritamalik]

Typical Muslims! They go around shooting rockets at people, kidnapping, bombing, killing and maiming and if anyone so much as resist them in anyway they immediately lie on the ground in fetal position and cry "foul!" and demonize their former victims that now managed to push them back.If you don't accept to be their victim and under their thumb they consider you aggressor and oppressor.They are so cowardly and dishonest and hateful and have the most glaring double-standard in the world.Shame!

[eran388]

the only thing that is a source of solidarity between Muslims is their hatred to Israel, and once they can't do nothing against Israel they go against each other...

[steute2011]

Boy that Mordechai doesn't have much use for political correctness.

[netaneladrai]

FUCK IRAQ!!!!!

[xanderkhaan]

actulayy semites refers to pple of that area which covers vast land some jews r semites but very few most jews r ashkanazi , khazars coverted to judism cenuries ago ok pple how many jewish prime ministers were born in isreal= 0

[xanderkhaan]

the interviewer sucked he cant even talk english mossad bombed shai and sunni - divide and conquer isreal treats like pal like dirst they steal land etc

Before it was called Israel it was the land of Canaan also Semites r Christians Muslims and Jews so therefore Israel is the most anti-Semitic country in the world

[02raphaely]

FUCK YUO!!!!!!!!

[Mifodiy35]

Wow so much hate in Arabs ... How can you possibly hold all this hatred without blowing yourself up ?

What is shocking is that only Arab Muslims so overfilled with hate , so maybe it's not the Arabs to blame ... Catch my drift ?

[hayoreh]

the Iraqi guy seems to be a sciri / hakimi iranian footkisser

[hur7montana]

Mordechai wins!!!

[MrXerxesthegreat1]

FUCK ISRAEL.

[againstcowards]

common everybody nows that shias are killing sunni true out the arab world!

easy to blame the Jews, but the reality of the matter is the fact that muslims bend the coin of real fact.

muslims are liers. period

[hishyar1977]

I am iraqi and I agree with the israeli guy, this arab tikrity who happened to be from saddam's town, is a dumb ass. arabs are killing eachother on things that happened 1400 years ago. arabs has a bloody culture . iraq is a failed state since the beggening of time. iraq was forced to be one one together, kurds, shia and sunnis, should have been three countries,  israel is number one decmocracy in middle east. arabs need thousand years to undrstand one the word democracy means

[ritamalik]

@hishyar1977 Bravo my friend. As an Iranian I agree with you 100%! Muslim countries have loads of problems all of them caused by their own barbarity and cruelty and corruption. They would do well if they learn from Israel instead of hating it! But they are SO blinded with hatred that they are ready to ruin their own prosperity and wellbeing in order to destroy Israel. These guys thought the price of getting rid of Saddam was too high, but no price is too high to destroy Israel! Incredible!

[refaelo79]

@ritamalik

comments like urs make me miss the times when Iran and Israel were best friends before the Islamic revolution and both countries prospered together with very developed economic relations that just helped the citizens from both sides and for good life

may these days come back asap

[agrundstromer]

lol why cant we just blow up Iraq we dont need terrorists in this world

[2912770]

muslims are slaughtering each other for centuries!

[d1974]

Well, one thing the baldy got right, most of the Iraqis hate Israel. Hardly surprising as Arabs suckle hate from infancy.

[fractalson]

guy on the left is a douchebag

[glaro777]

the arabs should get over their fued with Israel. I thought that by now they would have already realized that as long as the U.S. has a veto power Israel will never be held accountable for their brutal oppression of the Palestinians. It is not just Israel to blame, but also the polygamist dictators who rule the Arabs and turn a blind eye to Israel atrocities.

[Frozenpede]

both guys were wrong at parts, the Israeli was wrong to say they don't need the Arabs and Tikriti was wrong to say that Israel is Iraq's worst enemy.

[soranB55]

This Tikrity guy is as dumb as saddam was! This Tikrity konws nothing about Iraq. Iraq was created by the British in 1921 and since then there was instability in Iraq i.e 27 years before the existence of Israel. One thing is important to know..Kurdistan was under Iraqi occupation since 1921 and until 1991. Today, thanks to the USA Kurdistan is free. As to the arabs in Iraq, mr. Mordechai is quite right and they will continue slaughtering each other.

[jacobtube89]

Don't get it that way but, I don't know why I like mr Mordechai! in all his interviews he just speak the truth.

[wwestrugler]

Well, Do U think that he is saying the truth !!??

So, I bet you hate me and U wanna kill the 1.5 billion muslim who leave around the world ! Dont you Jacob??

[aniacalgary]

It's funny how they didn't let Mordechai talk!

And this arab journalist with british accent , pulling out some unbased information about mossad , raising his voice and it looks how much hate he has in him!

British universities can't change they way this people are!

[Sandstormz001]

What an excellent debate. I thought it was quite interesting. The Iraqi analyst made some great points when he said that Israel played a big role in the build-up of intelligence to invade Iraq and went out of their way to ensure that Saddam was ousted at any cost. However, even the Israeli made great points near the end when he said that places like Iran and Syria do not wish to see a democratic Iraq because their people will cause an uprise and will wish for democracy also

[WyzlaZ]

jew telling lies

[sepasgozaram]

boycott israel.support iraq ,iran,syria,turkey and pakistan.these are the hopes for the ummat.

[FalseTalkExpress]

Not the Pakistanis, please. They are the worst **** on earth.

[MuslimPrincess4ever]

Throw a SMD at Israel.

SMD=shoe of Mass destruction.

[FalseTalkExpress]

Yeah, how effective. That will change the course of history. And why not throw a SMD (Shoe of Missed Destruction) that misses Israel, like Al-Zaidi's SMD (Shoe of Missed Destruction) missed Bush.

[MuslimPrincess4ever]

At least we resist and do our job to protect our innocent. What happens isn't in our hand. Our intentions and actions are.

Peace be to you to.

[BlackAfricanBrother]

Saddam Hussein was a great leader.

Other politicians should follow his footsteps.

[ejbh3160]

well he ended up with a rope around his neck... is that what you mean??

[maskedphrogg]

What in particular makes you think that was Saddam Hussein?

Saddam was a US puppet and asset for the duration of his term as leader of Iraq. What makes you think he hasn't been rewarded for his good works? There is little evidence to validate the idea that the man found in a "spider hole" in the street was the then current leader of Iraq.

Xristians hate it when secular governments successfully attain goals. Their heritage demands sacrifice, thus the hanging by the neck of a likeness of Hussein.

[ejbh3160]

I must say that HAS occured to me. The whole Saddam 'capture' looks like a set-up anyway as someone showed there were dates on the trees in the background but dates wouldn't have been on the trees at the "we got him" time.

It was a media trick!

The 'trial' was a kangaroo court. It was ALWAYS going to give him the death sentence.

IMO he should have been before the Hague or some International Court

(mind you now its looking like the International Courts might be just as much of a fix)

Oh boy!

:-(

[maskedphrogg]

lol!

@ myself when I first read "dates on the trees"

Hunh?

Oh, dates like in the fruit not 12-14-2003

Yes, wikipedia entries confirm that dates would have been harvested, or simply fell unused, months before the alleged capture of S. Hussein and even longer before new fruit would have appeared.

Good call on that detail ejbh3160.

Agreed about the Courts/Justice meted out. Is beginning to look like the world portrayed in Dune.

[ejbh3160]

LOL!

that would be a good trick... dates on the trees... LOL! (of course there are growth 'rings' so in reality there are 'dates' on trees)... lol

Weird if the date showed something like 2010. That would get all the time-travel conspiracy theorists going! lol

Fear not... Moadib is here.

;-)

[maskedphrogg]

8^D

Second thing, the tree rings

how the hell did he see rings in those fuzzy images....

good thing I wasn't imbibing or I'd have never thought to wikipedia search on Date Palms

[ejbh3160]

LOL!

That gave me a good laugh this morning... thanks!

[xxashyy]

Typical Jew Zionist in denial about what they have done in Iraq. Boy the Israeli's sure like to DENY and LIE about the damage there cause in the middle east. About they're pivotal role in Iraq and Iran policy.

[kawan33333]

1/For normal person one word is enough but for foolish people like jassem and Anes tkrIty 1000 word is not enough ,im Iraqi and i like Israel because at least they respect their people . IRAQ war was not about influence of israel ,it is about a animal (dictator) foolish man saddam

[P47RICK]

What are you exactly? Kurdish, Shiite, Sunni or Christian?

[P47RICK]

yeah that's what I thought, especially since your profile says "Country: United Kingdom" and you talk down on Muslims "which he used foolish mind of Muslim". I've met a lot of Arabs and Persians but I never heard one of them talking that way about their faith and those who share it.

[FalseTalkExpress]

How can you expect him not to talk down on Muslims when they targeted his country in 2005 at London?

[FalseTalkExpress]

How can you expect him not to talk down on Muslims when they targeted his country in 2005's London bombings?

[P47RICK]

Well he claimed to be from Iraq and in my personal Experience Muslims don't talk down on each other.

[FalseTalkExpress]

"Muslims don't talk down on each other"? Hahahah. In fact, they don't, only, talk down on each other, but they also gun down each other and blow up each other!

[P47RICK]

That maybe true but whenever they are at war they say "we are the real Muslims" but they never talk down on their faith.

[FalseTalkExpress]

"They never talk down on their faith"? When they blow up each others sects mosques, like in Iraq, are they not talking down on each others sects with guns?

[P47RICK]

it is forbidden to them to talk down on their faith, it's one of their commandments.

[FalseTalkExpress]

But destroying and blowing up mosques?! What is that other than talking down on their faith - with guns?!

[P47RICK]

It may sound crazy to you but believe me, it is weird like that. The Sunnis in Iraq are saying the Shiites are no real Muslims and vice versa. But they would never say anything like "Islam sucks" or "all Muslims are stupid", especially when they live in foreign countries.

[kawan33333]

/. which he used foolish mind of Muslim for his own interest saddam was evil , but he was intelegent as the same time because he know how to use muslim anger aginst israel. israels are normal humanben .tkrity you are baethest (saddamist) and we will get you what ever and whenever take. we will show you what the meaning to be (saddamist).

[P47RICK]

Liebermann calls for genocide of the Palestinians.

Nethanyau opposes a 2 state settlement, STOP SENDING MONEY TO ISRAEL!

[ejbh3160]

An attempt at PEACE would be nice people..

ON ALL SIDES.. EVERYWHERE!

it would be really nice if everyone stopped fighting around this planet of ours.. maybe just for a week at first.. see what the world looks like at the end of the week.. maybe we'll want an extention.. eh?

There's too many of us now to be 'fighting'.

It's enough with the hatred already!!

[FATBOITHEREAL]

u dont understabd the intoxication these ppl get from power it is addictve to them especialy the zionist. non of the leaders want peace. they want second class citizens they can trap and beat into submission. their is nothing u can do but fight as until as the isreali ppl, the european ppl and the US ppl wake up and stop letting the media minipulate them ther will never be peace. our tax dallars pay for isreals wars. iran has never invaded another country in her life but they call her evil crazy

[P47RICK]

I think it's already happening in Europe.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

u think idk they already lost so many rights like i herd u can get arrested over their for the dumbest things like recording someone on the street. they dont even have guns over ther. i think it is gonna go back to the old days no more velvot glove to descise the iron fist. even in the us i have a video of a guy that got arrested for feeding too many homeless ppl it is crazy. they still have guns in some countrys over ther idk?

[P47RICK]

No man, that's not true. Most Western Europeans have more rights than Americans and people in Europe are protesting against War.

[covertcovenant]

Very very true....the Bill of Rights is just a paper that is NOT implemented! The Americans don't know their history, or their constitution, hence can't apply it or ask for it being applied.

[ejbh3160]

I do understand.. & I also understand that we all play along on some level.

You're advocating more violence & you too are 'justifying' your stand because you feel you are right.. well.. so does everyone else!!

Thats why we either work it out with words & trying to understand each other with compassion & a belief in life or we end up fighting & killing on ever larger & more horrific scales until we decide its ENOUGH!

Simple!

Sadly by then millions (maybe billions) are dead!

/watch?v=4aYCKfuFI60

[FATBOITHEREAL]

no see ther is a difference violence should only be used fi necessary. but the ppl in controll dont want peace and u can try to wake ppl up but the simple fact is ther still is a majoraty if ignorant ppl that just dont care and use the excuse i am only doing my job even if they r working for the devil. wat i am trying to advocate is sometimes u have no choice. it is either die on ur feet or live on ur nees. i am simply saying that all of rightious pll unite against the real enemy. the system

[FATBOITHEREAL]

& i am sorry the hippy angle didnt work in the 70s what makes u think it will work this time power understands 3 things truth, money . and blood all of those equal out to power. witout out at least the threat of violence u r just a load farm animal cattle. well im sorry i am not cattle. blood will be shed that is the cycle of human life and only god can change that the point is to have balance. like our founder wanted and gave us the second amendment to defend. the bigest problem is ignorance

[P47RICK]

The "Hippy movement" in the 60s helped black people to gain their well deserved rights and it also helped women. It also ended the Vietnam war. You should never forget that. I am not a Hippy, I do not want to take away your guns. But you should never forget that if it wasn't for the hippys and liberals things would look very different in America.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

so u r saying the black panthers had nothing to do with, malcom x had nothing to do with it. i know about the velvet revolution. but the truth is aipac has more influence in the govt than 1 million voters. u know y cause those milions of ppl r not all going to vote the same way nor do they live in the same distict. the only way to put pressure on a party is either economicly or with the threat of violence.

[P47RICK]

No man I am not saying that. The black panthers, MLK and Malcolm X had a lot to do with it as well. But let me ask you something, where was the black youth back then? They were off ( in Vietnam ) fighting for a country which their ancestors built and in which they were second class citizens. The hippies brought those boys back home(so that they could change things for their people) and the hippies supported the African Americans politically.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

u r right i. i think that ppl just need to be prepared. it is a mans duty to protect his family at any cost the fact that that we have a second amendment is a blessing without it we r just slaves they could do with us what they please. i am all for peace but i think u cant have peace unless the ppl have the power. do u think the black slaves and the slaves in europe had peace they wer not at war but they wanted freedom and would risk ther lives to get it.peace is more than just the end to wars

[P47RICK]

I do not oppose the second amendment at all, real liberals don't either. I agree that peace is more than to end wars, you have to do it on fair terms or else new wars and conflicts will be just a question of time.

America was the most reluctant country in the west when it came to the abolition of slavery.

In Europe the Trade in slaves and serfdom was ruled illegal in London in the year 1102(!!!) and only a very small( compared to the US) amount of black slaves were ever forced to work in Europe.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

i am a scocialist but when it comes to social issues like gays and global warming i think it is a faud,. i just think the ppl should have the power and ther should be equality. but no form of govt works wen the masses r ignorant. u got ppl praising obama like he is a god wen he will say he is going to get the special intrest out of the govt and in the same day he is making speaches at aipac the masses r just ignorant. u cant just wake a lot of ppl up they cant take the truth. they play pretend

[P47RICK]

From personal observation I can tell you that dictatorships work fine when the masses are ignorant however you are right in regards to Democracies. America needs much more social equality but many white people oppose this because black wealth would ultimately result in a significant increase of blacks in politics. Most white people would rather maintain the old power structures in hopes that they could maintain their unreasonably advantageous positions.(just look at the Liberia scam they pulled)

[FATBOITHEREAL]

i disagree to an extent about the whites and it is really not about racial equality any more. ther is a lot of rich black ppl and middle class. the real issue is economic equlity. it is realy a true factual statement when someone says the 'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" the worst the economy gets the more oportunitys the rich get to buy every thing. they love ressecions and depressions. they r not going to suffer but they cause the suffering. and our govt is an ologarchy at teast

[P47RICK]

You probably have every right to disagree with me, but I only believe that there is true equality if everybody has the same chances and opportunities. And many Black and Hispanic children experience inequality as early as elementary school. If these conditions applied to an equal percentage of all races, I would agree with your point but I feel that it doesn't, sorry(no offense intended).

[maskedphrogg]

How did a bunch of grungy kids with liberal allowances (iow parental monetary support) help dark skinned ppl and females?

Normalizing relations with an ethnic class averted a brewing violent rebellion. Most women have yet to see parity with with males in US society. The exceptions do not make a norm.

I do agree, those damned hippies and libs have helped screw up America. Placating sentiments but more than willing to take from others to give to themselves. Stop falling for the rhetoric.

[P47RICK]

They applied massive pressure to the US Government and they reformed the Democratic Party. That's how.

[maskedphrogg]

Hippies are responsible for making the Dem Party more like the Rep party?

Are you sure?

I think you confuse rhetoric with goals.

Both parties at present hold the same goal.

More government with more authority.

And you would blame the hippies? Grungy kids with ample allowances did not change US politics. I don't think the politics changed at all. Just the rhetoric.

[P47RICK]

We are going to have to agree to disagree then.

[maskedphrogg]

Take your time, you need not defend your views at this moment because some dork on YT replied to one of your posts.

But I am sincerely interested to know how a boisterous and unkempt group of spoiled children changed the political climate in a nation.

Personally, I think you deceive yourself because you are agreeable with the apparent result.

Maybe I am more aware having lived thru the period in question. But I doubt it. I knew everything I needed to know at 15, and you're well past that point.

[P47RICK]

I do not believe in absolute truths, so even if I presented what I perceive as facts and evidence you might not see it as such. Maybe instead we can agree on a few commonly accepted believes. I do believe that the hippie movement played pivotal role in the ending of the Vietnam war. I also believe that the hippie movement changed Americas values (for better or worse)and last but not least I believe that the hippie movement instilled the idea of socialism in the minds of many Americans.

[P47RICK]

Also many hippies moderated their views and became politicians like this couple for example:

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[P47RICK]

First off you are right, the violence has to stop but you can't blame people like FATBOITHEREAL for being angry. It's easy to call for things like "stop the violence" and "world peace" when you are on the outside looking in, but I assure you that if an Israeli bomb killed your family you would see things differently. I admire your opinion though, I just don't think that the parties involved are ready to make the necessary concessions yet.

[P47RICK]

The only way in my mind, to resolve this conflict is by applying international pressure on both sides. America is extremely biased towards the Muslim world and favors Israel very strongly. This has got to stop, with china emerging we might soon look at new proxy war which could end very badly for both sides. The SCO will do everything in their power to gain influence in the middle east and supporting Arab countries against the US is a very easy way in for them.

[ejbh3160]

well said for looking for ways to find that PEACE... because that's all it takes... is for people to look for peaceful ways to resolve the old (and new) hurts... then we'll find ways to live together on this planet.

I agree we must STOP supplying both sides with weapons... but really the whole world needs to find another way now.. we really are threatened with self-extinction if we don't address other more pressing issues than our old hatreds & vendettas from yesteryear.

Peace friend.

[P47RICK]

I am no Muslim, but the Qur'an states that peace is the most precious gift people can give each other. That's the reason Muslims say "peace be upon you". It puzzles me that scholars made such wise conclusions that long ago, but it puzzles me even more that 800 years later people are still not acting on them.

Now in this day and age, we possess weapons that could wipe out our whole species in an instant, so it is more important than ever, that we learn to live among each other.

[ejbh3160]

I found this series very interesting...

/watch?v=_T7346dFnkE

[ejbh3160]

I don't blame anyone for being angry when violence is visited on them.. on any side of any conflict.. just for returning the violence & thus perpetuating it.

I do see we're left with a conunundrum to try and solve without destroying all life on this planet in the process!

Somehow we have to WANT peace MORE than we want 'revenge' or an outlet for our own prejudices, or a way to make money or any of the other miriad of reason people use to try to 'justify' war & hatred of their fellow (wo)man.

[FATBOITHEREAL]

i agree but it is hard especially wen it comes to places like isreal. they dont want peace if they did they would stop killing so many innocents all they r diong is making ppl more radical and they know that. do u think the ppl that started the state of isreal didnt take into acount that they would be under threat 4 ther intire existance because of the religious significence of that land. ovcourse it is by deisign they dont want peace they want power. only god has the power to make world peace.

[ejbh3160]

Indeed how do you stop someone who WANTS to keep the violence going just to keep their power or money or status? I'm sure there are examples on both sides of ALL conflicts.

I totally disagree that "only God has the power to make world peace" though! What a cop-out! We can ALL make world peace by changing ourselves from within. Its down to us to make peace; not to expect it to come from some 'saviour' or God.

We have 'Free Will' & we can use it to create or destroy.

Creating is more 'fun'!

;-)

[suskky]

Who give Mordechai Kedar his degree-- K-mart??????? His argument is like the fruit vender in an open market...

[P47RICK]

Yeah he is funny :D

"Our operatives are free people they can go wherever they'd like and even if they say they are with the mossad they are lying"

[FATBOITHEREAL]

i think he was drunk it is a step up from isreals usual propogandist at least this guy just seems nieve not evil like the others

[P47RICK]

I concur, at least he was not vicious. I remember during the 2006 Lebanon war when Israel leveled a shelter for women and children they had this female apologist on CNN saying "we are investigating the issue but its hamas's fault anyway and Israel will continue its air raids... too bad so sad bye"

[FATBOITHEREAL]

it is crazy u can tell ther liars buy the fucking smerk on ther face. u just want to beate ther face to the point the cant even smile ever again in ther life. i might of o.d.ed a little but u get me. they r either nieve as shit or just plain sinister with an evil grin

[interfan63]

the guy in dubai kicked the living crap out of the israeli...lol  take it easy:)