There was a series called Congo, with Flemish actress Ingrid De Vos; it was filmed on location- DO you know where I can find it. However, atrocious the colonies were (see what Britons did against the Zulus, and they invented the first concentration camps for Native Americans, which in turn inspired Hitler for his holocaust. Until this day, the Royal families don't open the archives of black pages of Belgian colonialism and refused to collaborate in the 90s for an exhibition on it in Brussels.
The Belgian congo was a paradise for the colonists especially those who worked for SABENA, I know because my father was the chief engineer for the Belgian airline in the Congo and life was good. What happened before is a part of history or water under the bridge, nothing will change that so why be bitter.
Exactly! At any rate, as Congo was his personal property he did not even bother with the customary message of the "good news of the gospel" because he wouldn't have to account for his odious actions to anyone.
They have actually thrown in a couple of "charity trusts" which cost them in one year only a fraction of the interest they get in one day from the wealth they gathered from Congo.
You are very wrong (and repeating a wrong will not make it right)-The question is not of the Congo is Leopold's personal property-The issue is that he stole the Congo and its profits FOR BELGIUM. Belgium has benefitted and continued Leopold's abuse-even honouring this skunk with statutes and museums-heartless and wicked these people are. Belgium must pay . . . NOW-
I don't care about the gospel, except that it was gospel pushers who whistleblew on the skunk-
bdsamial - It was after his death that Congo revenues were channelled towards Belgium's treasury. In any case, there ought to be a compensation from both - family and state.
@bdsamlal you must really hate us(belgians) because i do not hear anything about other genocides or brutal murders you only look at belgian crimes.. whats your problem really ??
Laughable. He stole for Belgium, right, so where does the wealth of the royal family come from?!
Belgium did not continue abuse on a scale which wasn't normal at that time aka (way) less than Leopold did(not saying that that isn't bad).
I was born in '88 so I didn't do anything to Congo or the Congolese, if anything I gave them money. I don't owe them(Congolese) anything for what other Belgians and the royal family did over a century ago.
@dnbwhynot The toilet you sh!t on in your sh!tty country was built on the hands of the poor people of the Congo. If you deny their claim, you are a skunk and a whore or more likely a skunky whore . . . So the royal family always had money and never stole from the Congo? Belgium never continued the abuse?-You learnt that in school? That is why your country does so poorly in International Assessments of Educational Achievement like PISA and PIRLS-Blessings my brother, salve for your conscience
You're putting words in my mouth. Did you even took time to read and analyse my comment. I guess not.
L II didn't steal for Belgium, he stole for the enrichment of himself and his family. That's not to say that Belgium didn't benefit from the Congo, far from it.
I never said there was no abuse under Belgian rule.
I am saying that what Belgium did was not comparable to what L II did.
Your idea that Belgium was somehow exclusively built on the suffering of Congolese is preposterous.
You can't hold people accountable for what passed generations did. I have nothing to do with colonialism apart from living in a nation that at one point in it's history had one colony. I didn't decide nor did I have a voice in any decision regarding this colony, so no, you can't blame me for anything that happened over there.
We give money to the Congolese but that doesn't do much good with their corrupt leadership.
@dnbwhynot The concept of accountability by community and generation is a powerful one indeed. Like the Holocaust,you must never forget.. They also relate to reparation for slavery. However, this case of colonialism is different. You stuck it to the people of the Congo and then you pulled it out and ran after you sucked every last dime from their inner walls. Neither Britian or France did that to the people they "colonized" (raped). This wickedness of Belgium will never be forgiven.
@dnbwhynot I can hold you accountable because your cities are built on their blood. Blood for blood, especially when you are reaping the benefits of the chopped off hands-Where is the money you stole? In your collective anuses? (See there is a community concept)
Plenty of hands in the river and this nasty Belgium skunk talks about private property,fair trade and is not their fault . .. who is with me? Where is your humanity? Will you all die in the whiteness of your wickedness?
This title is WRONG. Congo was not a colony, but the PERSONAL property of Leopold II at the time of this genocide. It WERE these atrocities that made the Belgian government take charge of Congo afterwards untill 1960.
Just goes to show that we little folks have nothing to do with these things... our 'leaders' put blemish on our countries and we argue about it out of some silly sense of patriotism.
I didn't have anything to do with Leopold II anymore than you did with Hitler. Peace.
You may not have anything o do with Leopold directly but you a beneficiary of his corrupt and barbaric practices. The money that he made from his atrocities was used to invest in Belgium and has made Belgium what it is today. When you take the tram, train, you are actually benefiting from his loot. I hope you are aware of that.
I am fully aware where most of the riches in the West come from and ofcourse I realize that it is wrong. The third world is KEPT poor for some people's benefits. I'm not trying to divert blame unjustified, it's just fact. Put it on the shoulders of the French Belgian noblesse and royal family. Like I said, it was their PERSONAL property. I don't blame the whole of England for the Amritsar Massacre or Bloody Sunday either. A country should never be defined by the few pigs that govern it.
It is good that you are aware of where most of the west get their resources from and the method and tactics they employ however you also wrote "It WERE these atrocities that made the Belgian government take charge of Congo afterwards untill 1960"
Did anything change in Congo when the State of Belgium took over? How about Patrice Lumumba wasn't he overthrown and killed by agents of Belgium? Why has Belgium refused to return the looted funds to Congo ?
After they took over it became a colony like every other European colony in those days, so don't act as if other countries were above this. Belgians went there and ripped off all natural riches. But at least the slaughtering on a massive scale ended. Is that acceptable?ofcourse not.
Belgium continues to financially assist Congo to this day.
you want to go in that direction? I think we all know the English were the leader of the pack when it came to pillage and rape.
Yes I think US State Department has admitted that it played a part in the overthrow assassination of Lumumba and Belgium has also apologized for what they did in Congo. I am African and I am still struggling to come to terms with why the so called civilized West did what they did to Africa and its people. Yet Africa is still not free from the exploitation machinations of the West why?
But a lot of people ask themselves why Africa is in the state it is today. I seems so easy to help them doesn't it. And if you ask me, it is. So the only conclusion one can draw is that certain regions in the world, Africa included are being kept poor. As long as Africans are poor and live in fear, they will work for 10 cents a day.
Is the answer "not to"? Seems King Leopold went for A. "the get rid of the Congo people" option. He must be the belgian slumhog biliioniare . . . . like his people
@politicalthinker YOU MUST BE SICK DISCUSSING WITH A EUROPEAN ABOUT THEIR SAVAGERY TOWARDS YOU GUYS.......let me give you a hint, just read INBETWEEN the lines of their comments, THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK!!
@aquerius23 You must be sick for not wanting to discuss this with Europeans. That is rather odd considering you live in Germany.
If it hadn`t been for the British White missionaries, no one would have been aware of this murderous king leopald.
The soldiers depicted in the programme are black with red hats on. It is not just about race. It is about how one greedy ugly man can get away with what he did. History must be correctly told to the Belgians about that king.
@novarock86 Cool you rape somebody and then pay them some money while you wipe your HIV invested weapon clean-God forgives doesn't he? Especially white retarded Belgians . .
@novarock86 For every SINGLE Congolese life that was SNUFFED out I0 Belgian lives would make an EXIT too...... FAIR DEAL HUH??! And dont come discussing with me am 1000x more EVIL!!
@novarock86 I think I like your vile murderous attitude, Belgian, at the dame time blaming whom? The English? May the white god bless you for cutting off the hands off black Africans-may he reward you in the white heaven with the white doves and the white angels with the white lice. You are clean as white.
Lumumba? I have no idea... and neither does anyone else for that matter. According to most people the CIA was responsible for that (they assisted Mobutu) Because he was an ally to them in their Cold War struggles with The Soviet Union... Result: Mobutu in charge = the killing of a lot of Belgians. So what gain would Belgium have had in killing Lumumba? That doesn't mean it's not possible... It's an option.
We are not talking about fair trade. We are talking about you returning the money you stole and killed for in the Congo. You can't rape a woman and then promise the deal fairly with her now that she is bearing your bastard son. You can't murder a man and then deal fairly with his surviving family. You must pay for your crimes-literally and morally.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your comments reek of extremism... and that's something to stay away from. If you want to change the world you have to understand that you are a part of it... and aggresiveness on youtube isn't going to help. If you can't even remain civilized on a little website than how would you ever be able to do better than any politician? Why are you personally attacking me? These events in the Congo make my gut turn.
Well, it was extreme to cut people's hand off . . . You can't rape a woman and then when she says, she is going to become your bobbitt, you cry "Now that's extreme" If you do the crime, you must accept the time . . . What is civilized? Are Belgians civilized when they live off the profits of the Congo? Roads paved with the blood of another nation makes you civilized? Must be like those civilzed tennis players who whisper racism and then react when they get it back-Whopeee-A national trait
Indeed, you are responsible-the bread and water you drink and the streets you drive on are full of the Congo's blood . . . . Be very afraid therefore of the god who will judge you for your community crime . . . but at least you have hands to hold your cojones in that fear . . . Your King made sure many in the Congo did not
I am sorry you are wrong. There are many pigs in the Belgium sucking up the dried blood of people of the Congo. Pleaqse pray for yourself-I have no prayers for you-You are unforgiven.
I'm also sorry you obviously neglected to register half of what I said. The day I approve these kinds of horrific things will never come.
Be careful with your self proclaimed right to forgive people you've never even met my friend. It's those types of delusions of grandeur that make things like this happen.
I was merely stating a couple of historical facts... doesn't mean I agree with any of them.
Have oif what you said was sh!t, so registering wasn't easy . . . It is my right not to forgive and you and your people are unforgiven . . . God can forgive you, but I don't. Your facts are like Russian facts-they change with the wind.
Can a King of a skunk country have personal property in another country and can he then kill and maim the people of that country without accountability in his own country . . . . or do you mean that the poor people of the Congo were his personal property? . . . How much of the money was spent in your stinking country? Have you returned this blood money? Or have you have put up statues of your former skunk ruler? These are questions thinking persons must ask. the answers would require prayer.
To me the implication was obvious because if you know history, you would also know that the Belgium annex the Congo in 1908 . . . after it did nothing to stop the gtenocide . . . the murders and slavery continued . . . . what a wicked people, this
again, learn the difference between the congo free state, run by leopold, and the actual colony called the belgian congo, run by the belgian state.
Synthiotics 2 weeks ago in playlist BELGIAN CONGO
There was a series called Congo, with Flemish actress Ingrid De Vos; it was filmed on location- DO you know where I can find it. However, atrocious the colonies were (see what Britons did against the Zulus, and they invented the first concentration camps for Native Americans, which in turn inspired Hitler for his holocaust. Until this day, the Royal families don't open the archives of black pages of Belgian colonialism and refused to collaborate in the 90s for an exhibition on it in Brussels.
300359alann 7 months ago in playlist Geopolitical
In Peru they tore down the statue of Pizarro; we still have Leopold on his horse in Brussels, when will that be removed???
300359alann 7 months ago in playlist Geopolitical
The Belgian congo was a paradise for the colonists especially those who worked for SABENA, I know because my father was the chief engineer for the Belgian airline in the Congo and life was good. What happened before is a part of history or water under the bridge, nothing will change that so why be bitter.
eduardalet 1 year ago
@eduardalet what if your hand was cut down, would you be angry or would you say its water under the bridge.
yomamma12324 10 months ago
no blood in congo
PATRICELUMUMBAS 1 year ago
why do people like 2compare genocides/slaverys that were carried out by racist white europeans?
if u were a murderer &u talked about other murderers u wouldnt say...
well other murderers murdered more so dnt act as if ur above this??
this history needs to be talked about comfy to hear or not
their needs to be many films discussion about this pt of Belguims evil history in the Congo
people need to except it as pt of Belguims history &discuss it
without saying that other countries did worse
Applebaum 1 year ago
Maybe Mr "whatever" I love The people of the Congo more . . . and I love you less because you are wicked and you make me vex-its called empathy
bdsamlal 1 year ago
Real christian values! The descendants of Leopold are very proud today for the old man's christian fortitude!
King Baudouin often spoke about Leopold's "humanitarian" work in Congo.
euridike88 2 years ago
Some blame Christians, I blame all Belgians, including the Atheists and Agnostics-now what's the difference anyway-somebody has to pay, brother
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@ Leopold's christian fortitude:
Exactly! At any rate, as Congo was his personal property he did not even bother with the customary message of the "good news of the gospel" because he wouldn't have to account for his odious actions to anyone.
They have actually thrown in a couple of "charity trusts" which cost them in one year only a fraction of the interest they get in one day from the wealth they gathered from Congo.
euridike88 2 years ago
You are very wrong (and repeating a wrong will not make it right)-The question is not of the Congo is Leopold's personal property-The issue is that he stole the Congo and its profits FOR BELGIUM. Belgium has benefitted and continued Leopold's abuse-even honouring this skunk with statutes and museums-heartless and wicked these people are. Belgium must pay . . . NOW-
I don't care about the gospel, except that it was gospel pushers who whistleblew on the skunk-
bdsamlal 2 years ago
bdsamial - It was after his death that Congo revenues were channelled towards Belgium's treasury. In any case, there ought to be a compensation from both - family and state.
ingridoctavia 2 years ago 2
@bdsamlal you must really hate us(belgians) because i do not hear anything about other genocides or brutal murders you only look at belgian crimes.. whats your problem really ??
MrMasterarms 1 year ago
@bdsamlal
Laughable. He stole for Belgium, right, so where does the wealth of the royal family come from?!
Belgium did not continue abuse on a scale which wasn't normal at that time aka (way) less than Leopold did(not saying that that isn't bad).
I was born in '88 so I didn't do anything to Congo or the Congolese, if anything I gave them money. I don't owe them(Congolese) anything for what other Belgians and the royal family did over a century ago.
dnbwhynot 1 year ago
@dnbwhynot The toilet you sh!t on in your sh!tty country was built on the hands of the poor people of the Congo. If you deny their claim, you are a skunk and a whore or more likely a skunky whore . . . So the royal family always had money and never stole from the Congo? Belgium never continued the abuse?-You learnt that in school? That is why your country does so poorly in International Assessments of Educational Achievement like PISA and PIRLS-Blessings my brother, salve for your conscience
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@bdsamlal
You're putting words in my mouth. Did you even took time to read and analyse my comment. I guess not.
L II didn't steal for Belgium, he stole for the enrichment of himself and his family. That's not to say that Belgium didn't benefit from the Congo, far from it.
I never said there was no abuse under Belgian rule.
I am saying that what Belgium did was not comparable to what L II did.
Your idea that Belgium was somehow exclusively built on the suffering of Congolese is preposterous.
dnbwhynot 1 year ago
@bdsamlal
You can't hold people accountable for what passed generations did. I have nothing to do with colonialism apart from living in a nation that at one point in it's history had one colony. I didn't decide nor did I have a voice in any decision regarding this colony, so no, you can't blame me for anything that happened over there.
We give money to the Congolese but that doesn't do much good with their corrupt leadership.
dnbwhynot 1 year ago
@dnbwhynot The concept of accountability by community and generation is a powerful one indeed. Like the Holocaust,you must never forget.. They also relate to reparation for slavery. However, this case of colonialism is different. You stuck it to the people of the Congo and then you pulled it out and ran after you sucked every last dime from their inner walls. Neither Britian or France did that to the people they "colonized" (raped). This wickedness of Belgium will never be forgiven.
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@dnbwhynot I can hold you accountable because your cities are built on their blood. Blood for blood, especially when you are reaping the benefits of the chopped off hands-Where is the money you stole? In your collective anuses? (See there is a community concept)
bdsamlal 1 year ago
Plenty of hands in the river and this nasty Belgium skunk talks about private property,fair trade and is not their fault . .. who is with me? Where is your humanity? Will you all die in the whiteness of your wickedness?
bdsamlal 2 years ago
quality is terrible..c'mon
FCule 2 years ago
damn rite, their chocolates are as overrated as they are themselves,
lunafringe10 2 years ago
our chocolates are the best :)
Withofz 2 years ago
This title is WRONG. Congo was not a colony, but the PERSONAL property of Leopold II at the time of this genocide. It WERE these atrocities that made the Belgian government take charge of Congo afterwards untill 1960.
Just goes to show that we little folks have nothing to do with these things... our 'leaders' put blemish on our countries and we argue about it out of some silly sense of patriotism.
I didn't have anything to do with Leopold II anymore than you did with Hitler. Peace.
novarock86 2 years ago
You may not have anything o do with Leopold directly but you a beneficiary of his corrupt and barbaric practices. The money that he made from his atrocities was used to invest in Belgium and has made Belgium what it is today. When you take the tram, train, you are actually benefiting from his loot. I hope you are aware of that.
politicalthinker 2 years ago
I am fully aware where most of the riches in the West come from and ofcourse I realize that it is wrong. The third world is KEPT poor for some people's benefits. I'm not trying to divert blame unjustified, it's just fact. Put it on the shoulders of the French Belgian noblesse and royal family. Like I said, it was their PERSONAL property. I don't blame the whole of England for the Amritsar Massacre or Bloody Sunday either. A country should never be defined by the few pigs that govern it.
novarock86 2 years ago
It is good that you are aware of where most of the west get their resources from and the method and tactics they employ however you also wrote "It WERE these atrocities that made the Belgian government take charge of Congo afterwards untill 1960"
Did anything change in Congo when the State of Belgium took over? How about Patrice Lumumba wasn't he overthrown and killed by agents of Belgium? Why has Belgium refused to return the looted funds to Congo ?
politicalthinker 2 years ago
After they took over it became a colony like every other European colony in those days, so don't act as if other countries were above this. Belgians went there and ripped off all natural riches. But at least the slaughtering on a massive scale ended. Is that acceptable?ofcourse not.
Belgium continues to financially assist Congo to this day.
you want to go in that direction? I think we all know the English were the leader of the pack when it came to pillage and rape.
novarock86 2 years ago
I think I like your honesty and the fact that you are able to face issues as they are.
politicalthinker 2 years ago
@politicalthinker Since when is murder a political issue?
bdsamlal 1 year ago
Yes I think US State Department has admitted that it played a part in the overthrow assassination of Lumumba and Belgium has also apologized for what they did in Congo. I am African and I am still struggling to come to terms with why the so called civilized West did what they did to Africa and its people. Yet Africa is still not free from the exploitation machinations of the West why?
politicalthinker 2 years ago
@politicalthinker
I wouldn't call the West civilized by any means.
But a lot of people ask themselves why Africa is in the state it is today. I seems so easy to help them doesn't it. And if you ask me, it is. So the only conclusion one can draw is that certain regions in the world, Africa included are being kept poor. As long as Africans are poor and live in fear, they will work for 10 cents a day.
novarock86 2 years ago
And as long as we have Belgiums, they will be parasites to live off them . . .
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@bdsamlal
So the answer is to get rid of Belgians?
Kook.
novarock86 2 years ago
Is the answer "not to"? Seems King Leopold went for A. "the get rid of the Congo people" option. He must be the belgian slumhog biliioniare . . . . like his people
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@politicalthinker Is there evidence that the "peaceful warmonger" President Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered the assassination?
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@politicalthinker YOU MUST BE SICK DISCUSSING WITH A EUROPEAN ABOUT THEIR SAVAGERY TOWARDS YOU GUYS.......let me give you a hint, just read INBETWEEN the lines of their comments, THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK!!
aquerius23 1 year ago
@aquerius23 You must be sick for not wanting to discuss this with Europeans. That is rather odd considering you live in Germany.
If it hadn`t been for the British White missionaries, no one would have been aware of this murderous king leopald.
The soldiers depicted in the programme are black with red hats on. It is not just about race. It is about how one greedy ugly man can get away with what he did. History must be correctly told to the Belgians about that king.
pammyoneto 1 year ago
@politicalthinker HAs BElgium aplogized for anything, hand cutters?
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@politicalthinker Apologize? Belgium must pay for what it has done.
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@novarock86 Cool you rape somebody and then pay them some money while you wipe your HIV invested weapon clean-God forgives doesn't he? Especially white retarded Belgians . .
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@novarock86 How can you financially assist and emotionally help a woman child you just raped and robbed?
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@novarock86 For every SINGLE Congolese life that was SNUFFED out I0 Belgian lives would make an EXIT too...... FAIR DEAL HUH??! And dont come discussing with me am 1000x more EVIL!!
aquerius23 1 year ago
@novarock86 I think I like your vile murderous attitude, Belgian, at the dame time blaming whom? The English? May the white god bless you for cutting off the hands off black Africans-may he reward you in the white heaven with the white doves and the white angels with the white lice. You are clean as white.
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@novarock86 Financially assist?-after killing and rogging them? Man, you are so blessed (with shit)
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@novarock86 The English never cut hands off. Belgians are criminals.
bdsamlal 1 year ago
@politicalthinker
Lumumba? I have no idea... and neither does anyone else for that matter. According to most people the CIA was responsible for that (they assisted Mobutu) Because he was an ally to them in their Cold War struggles with The Soviet Union... Result: Mobutu in charge = the killing of a lot of Belgians. So what gain would Belgium have had in killing Lumumba? That doesn't mean it's not possible... It's an option.
novarock86 2 years ago
@politicalthinker
And before I get accused of being a monster by certain people... Once again: I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. Fair Trade is of great importance.
novarock86 2 years ago
We are not talking about fair trade. We are talking about you returning the money you stole and killed for in the Congo. You can't rape a woman and then promise the deal fairly with her now that she is bearing your bastard son. You can't murder a man and then deal fairly with his surviving family. You must pay for your crimes-literally and morally.
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@bdsamlal
I wasn't talking to you in that post.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your comments reek of extremism... and that's something to stay away from. If you want to change the world you have to understand that you are a part of it... and aggresiveness on youtube isn't going to help. If you can't even remain civilized on a little website than how would you ever be able to do better than any politician? Why are you personally attacking me? These events in the Congo make my gut turn.
novarock86 2 years ago
Well, it was extreme to cut people's hand off . . . You can't rape a woman and then when she says, she is going to become your bobbitt, you cry "Now that's extreme" If you do the crime, you must accept the time . . . What is civilized? Are Belgians civilized when they live off the profits of the Congo? Roads paved with the blood of another nation makes you civilized? Must be like those civilzed tennis players who whisper racism and then react when they get it back-Whopeee-A national trait
bdsamlal 2 years ago
And now you are asking me these questions as if I am responsible for what happened there. Are you out of your mind? I'm done here man, you scare me.
novarock86 2 years ago
Indeed, you are responsible-the bread and water you drink and the streets you drive on are full of the Congo's blood . . . . Be very afraid therefore of the god who will judge you for your community crime . . . but at least you have hands to hold your cojones in that fear . . . Your King made sure many in the Congo did not
bdsamlal 2 years ago
I am sorry you are wrong. There are many pigs in the Belgium sucking up the dried blood of people of the Congo. Pleaqse pray for yourself-I have no prayers for you-You are unforgiven.
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@bdsamlal
I'm sorry to hear that.
I'm also sorry you obviously neglected to register half of what I said. The day I approve these kinds of horrific things will never come.
Be careful with your self proclaimed right to forgive people you've never even met my friend. It's those types of delusions of grandeur that make things like this happen.
I was merely stating a couple of historical facts... doesn't mean I agree with any of them.
novarock86 2 years ago
Have oif what you said was sh!t, so registering wasn't easy . . . It is my right not to forgive and you and your people are unforgiven . . . God can forgive you, but I don't. Your facts are like Russian facts-they change with the wind.
bdsamlal 2 years ago
Can a King of a skunk country have personal property in another country and can he then kill and maim the people of that country without accountability in his own country . . . . or do you mean that the poor people of the Congo were his personal property? . . . How much of the money was spent in your stinking country? Have you returned this blood money? Or have you have put up statues of your former skunk ruler? These are questions thinking persons must ask. the answers would require prayer.
bdsamlal 2 years ago
@bdsamlal
Ofcourse they weren't his property. You are putting words into my mouth... just as you put artificial ideas in your head.
I fully agree he was a skunk ruler though.
novarock86 2 years ago
To me the implication was obvious because if you know history, you would also know that the Belgium annex the Congo in 1908 . . . after it did nothing to stop the gtenocide . . . the murders and slavery continued . . . . what a wicked people, this
bdsamlal 2 years ago
i wont eat another piece of their lousy chocolates,
lunafringe10 2 years ago