If anyone wanders what ELP could have sounded like with five members, check out Gentle Giant. I always felt they were a couple bands short of being really interesting.
@MisterNifty elp would not be good with emerson lake palme and 2 guitarists becouse emerson was lead keybordist with one hand and rythem with other so guitars would be not needed,.
@lukuntri But Gentle Giant also had a virtuoso concert pianist along with four other multi-instrumentalist players and they were, if nothing else, incredibly interesting.
just for a few moments, right at the end,... though I have never heard this version before.... I was in perfect sync, eyes closed, pure instinct. The sign of only the very best. Thank you for sharing this gem.
@TouchingYou True that mate. They couldn't exist without the Beatles, but they took the rock music to the next level, where it could no longer be popular like the music of the Fab Four. Just next week I'm gonna see both Sir Paul and YES in concert. So good. :)
Carl's a friggin baby in this. He was only 19 when the band formed. He was 20, when they released their first LP (IIRC). Even then he was a virtuoso, bordering on prodigy.
the first section is the barbarian hordes sweeping across the land, the second section is a lone horseman galloping in haste over hill & dale, desperately summoning reinforcements - the third section is the barbarian assault on the castle & the final battle - or that's one interpretation anyway
ELP. One of the best bands of all time. I've grown up listening to this. Rush? I've never ever understood why they're so special for so many people. And I don't understand either why they belong to the "prog rock" genre...I can't find any real progressivity in their music. Sorry, it's just my opinion.
@DavySaxon I agree with you.Rush isn´t a progressive rock band.So many times I´ve seen bands like Rush together along with bands like YES,King Crimson,Camel,Soft Machine,PFM,Genesis,Lucifer´s friend or Focus...It´s a big mistake,isn´t it?...and Pink floyd...is it really a prog rock band?...I wouldn´t think so,but...what is exactly progressive rock?...is Zappa & Mother of Invention prog rock?...and Return to Forever,The eleventh house,weather report?
@renemill Zappa is the MOST PROG of all prog in that he's mainly influenced by 20th century composers & his compositions are by far the most complicated & difficult to play. That's why his musicians, Vinnie Colaiuta, Warren Cuccurullo, Steve Vai, Jean-Luc Ponty, etc. are always the best. When people want to hate on Prog-Rock music they always leave Zappa out because they know they can't win the 'pretentious' argument against someone who's dead serious & completely satirical at the same time.
@DavySaxon I agree with you.Rush isn´t a progressive rock band.So many times I´ve seen bands like Rush together along with bands like YES,King Crimson,Camel,Soft Machine,PFM,Genesis,Lucifer´s friend or Focus...It´s a big mistake,isn´t it?...and Pink floyd...is it really a prog rock band?...I wouldn´t think so,but...what is exactly progressive rock?...is Zappa & Mothers of Invention prog rock?...and Return to Forever,The Eleventh House,Weather Report,Mahavishnu Orchestra?...can anybody tell me?
@renemill All those bands were 'Progressive' in that they were challenging themselves to play complicated extended compositions requiring extreme virtuosity. However, Mahavishnu, 11th House, WR were labeled fusion because their 'progression' consisted in achieveing a balanced 'fusing' of the jazz & rock disciplines whereas bands like ELP, Genesis, PFM, Camel, Hatfield & the North etc. were less jazzy & more steeped in the Euopean Classical tradition which they also 'fused' with rock.
@DavySaxon Rush was definitely a progressive-rock band from 2112 to Signals. After "Signals' they became a conventional rock act with little progressive content. They fell into the less is more trap when Peter Gabriel & Brian Eno did less-is-more so brilliantly on their early albums. Of course, you can be minimalist & still progress if your concept is strong, the way Kraftwerk, Harmonia & Cluster did in Germany but Rush just screwed up the absolute perfection they achieved on "Moving Pictures."
Why does it always have to be so and so is better than someone else. I like Rush and ELP I like Yes and Black Sabbath and Hank 3 and Collective Soul but I don't have to compare which is better I like them all.
Carl Palmer is an amazing natural drummer, ya can't teach that kiddies!!How this got to be slam Rush, I don't know, got to see them at the peak, Moving Pictures 81. Neal Peart was amazing that nite, got to see ELP in 92, uninspired and disappointing, whoever it is you have to see them at their peak, THIS was ELP's time 70-74, if u got to see them u were lucky, I was 2 young, yeah power windows sucked, but so did love beach. Keith worked with Moog to create what he heard in his head,
@kevot9 Saw Permanent waves tour. Neil was great. Never seen ELP I was to young. But I think Palmer had the greater ability. He has more resources than Peart.
Emerson and Lake working together again. That is something in the present. Let's charish the past and look forward to there genius again. Have a NICE X mas
supergroup, having achieved almost hendrix, not Heber been dying before burning them, keyboardist Keith Emerson of The Nice, Greg Lake from King Crimson bassist: and Carl Palmer from Atomic Rooster drummer join forces in this group of dyes and progressive very good, where its main elements are the Moog keyboard and structures of classical music.
Honestly they were out of Jimi's league. He was good, but not this good. Oddly enough, no one really was. ELP were the greatest trio ever in existence during their time.... until Rush came long.
Actually, ELP and Rush have totally different place in the world of prog rock, but the most prominent difference is the lyricism. Lake's voice and his beautiful ballads separated them from many other one-dimensional prog bands. Frankly speaking I like ELP mostly because of Lake's talent in composing, singing, and playing great bass & guitar. Along with two talented musicians, Keith and Carl, Lake really created the sound that stands the test of time like no other.
Totally agree - but Rush? I don´t think they could be mentioned as something that followed ELP. Imo the chapter ELP and progrock keyboard trio was finished with ELP´s split.
ELP were among the greatest musicians ever but they were often sloppy in their playing. Rush however, is always flawless and takes a higher IQ to follow.
Hmm, ELP´s compositions show a much higher IQ than Rush´s - sorry. Two bands that can´t be compared. -
True, ELP never was a very tight, properly playing live band. But I think that was not in their character. Especially E and P were much too aggresive in their style. But it rocks and it´s powerful.
Compare "Pictures At An Exhibition" to "Hemispheres." The ELP record is innovative, trance-inducing, spontaneous, exciting, daring, powerful with a brilliant stage show. The Rush record is progressive, ground-breaking, intellectual, profound, analytical, precise and masterful.
They each have their qualities. Overall comparing careers Rush is untouchable, but for their time (1970-1979) ELP was possibly the greatest live band in the world.
Haha, Alex Lifeson puts new title on guitar player. Besides Greg Lake played acoustic guitar, bass guitar and sometimes even *gasp* electric guitar!!
I suppose it is sort of a matter of taste, but Rush has much more than double the records to choose from in their catalog and all but the first 3 were produced to significantly higher sonic quality and remastered. Rush has kept with the times while ELP allowed themselves to be a dated, archaic band.
I don´t agree totally. Pieces like Tarkus or Toccata stood the test of time. And Emerson´s keyboard work is still outstanding - and as a studied/prof. musician I dare to believe to have the qualification to say that. Sometimes I read coms like Jon Lord, the Godfather of the Hammond or similar bullshit. In rock history there is no keyboard player - especially on Hammond - who comes close!
On the other side: Rush obviously isn´t a typical guitar trio - they are a class of it´s own.
ELP's compositions definitely stand the test of time as legendary, but their poor quality ecordings don't as much. Palmer often got drowned out, esp in the live recordings. Rush however, put emphasis of perfection into every facet the their music. They always have the best presentation of their music no matter what format they are presenting in. Rush never burned out or lost their magic. When ELP returned in the 90's they were already tired. Rush is pushing 60 now and they keep getting better!!
You may be right in the case of Rush! But what does it matter (to me) that it is still a guitar trio with a sound that I hate and compositions that don´t show the complex structure that only keyboards can offer? I don´t care about the poor recording quality of the 70s and I dont´t care who had his hard times in the life situation. Clara Haskil was famous for her stage fright and made stupid mistakes on stage and still was a wonderful Mozart player.....
I've been where your at with Rush dude, you are obviously on this page because you know that ELP pose a threat to Rush. Just except them for what they are.
ELP were magnificent for their time. But they never kept up with technology on their recordings. They didn't mix and master properly. Palmer was always drowned out by the piercing keyboard notes. ELP was one of the best ever, no doubt. I love them. But overall, Rush is just better. Not many bands in history are, so that is a compliment. ELP are at the top all time, right under Rush.
@MrDeppness I don't thinks so. Rush is great! But they start getting to me at times because they are so rehursed. ELP was much more improvisational and natural. They had many different textures.
@scoobes11 I agree. And very poor sound quality topped with all the mistakes of underpracticed musicians. I agree. ELP were bold, daring and inventive, no doubt. But Rus's music is well-rounded, thought-provoking, and everlasting. Rush had more rhythm and substantive themes.
@MrDeppness Rush entered the business as average musicians hashing out Led Zep sounding stuff. Nothing compared to the immense talent that ELP arrived on the scene with.
@scoobes11 There was nothing avg about Rush's first album (that they recorded in 1972 btw when they were still teenagers). Give them 1 yr they were writing Caress of Steel, just 2 yrs it was EPIC 2112, just 3 it was A Farewell To Kings, just 4 yrs it was Hemispheres, 5 it was Permanent Waves, 6 was Moving Pictures. ELP started off hot but when they broke up in 1979 they were done - only 9 yrs worth of amazing music. Rush gave us close to 40 & they're still outdoing themselves to this day!
@MrDeppness No doubt. Rush is definitely up there. The stuff they're recording these days is good but in a different way, the musicianship has kind of transcended though, not as raw. But early Rush and later Rush are 2 different styles just like almost any other band that's been active for that long.
@MrDeppness If you ask me they did burn out. How old are you? What was the first tour you saw Rush? Hold your fire was sad. Presto was not bad. Roll the bones was so so but the rest of the 90's sucked! It was sad when I heard stick it out on the radio! what heap of crap that song was! Rush redeemed themselves with snakes and arrows if you ask me.
@scoobes11 I first saw Rush 16 yrs ago. I beg to differ. Not 1 Rush album was under a 7 out of 10 in their entire career and the 90's produced some excellent music. Maybe not to your liking, but you are just being subjective.
@MrDeppness Dude coming from a Rush fan. I wouldnt touch their first 3 albums with a 12 foot pole. No offense but those first 3 albums are nowhere compared to the talent of ELP!
I love the trio sound without guitar - and I hate to play with guitar players as well as I hate guitar sounds. That´s a simple statement - easy to understand.
I said guitars, not bass guitars. And MY experiences with guitar players and my taste in music is just part of me as a musician. Are you able to understand that? (I guess not ...........)
??? I think you misunderstood something - of course this is a distorted bass, where´s the problem? I love ELP for their music and for their sound (nearly) without an electric guitar. But next time watch your words...
I have always been a huge Rush fan since permanent waves. I saw them that year also. But ELP is still the best trio ever! They are much more refined than Rush. Hemispheres is a good album but listening to side one bores me to pieces. Not to mention neal peart uses a lot of the same thing on many songs. espcially his beat on the ride symbol. Palmer is the better drummer.
I disagree. Palmer is quicker with the rudiments yes, but Neil has more talent overall. He has developed a sense of rhythm far superior, a sense of melody, syncopation. Trust me, I am pro drummer on their level and I give it to Neil. Palmer is quicker and more exciting at times, but Neil is just more well rounded. Neil has no weak points. He follows the songs better and plays with far more attitude. But NP and CP are both my fav drummers ever. Both are brilliant.
I would have to disagree, personally I don't think Neal has progressed much since Power
Windows. Watching him now after almost 30 years lets me see the sad truth. For example the jungle ryhthms at the begging of the solo are just so old news; cant stand when neil does that. If this is the kind of rhythms your talking about no thanks. However neil has done some of the most brilliant fills ever. For example the short drum break in Natural Science is tasty.
I enjoy Rush as band now they are great. But not the same way I used to see it when I was in awe of peart. Oh and niel has one of the most sweetest feels ever if not the best ever. But I find Palmer is much more challenging in my opinion and has much better form and technich. . Neil just looks to darn stiff at times.
Just listen to the fuzz on greg lake's bass. Awesome!! Palmer's drumming was already great. He really shines in BSS. Kieth sounds awesome as well! Real music!
EPIC
Spudboy41 4 weeks ago
Gregs bass sounds friggin sweet! Any one know what Fuzz/Distortion he's using?
sabbathmc97 2 months ago
@sabbathmc97 He used (maybe still) Dunlop Fuzz Face--thick and zizzy.
myrrhfishify 2 weeks ago
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pablobenitez1 4 months ago
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Awesome band. Sadly when i recomend this to people they just cant understand it..
bgburnz 4 months ago
Awsome band. Sadly when i recomend this to people they just cant understand it..
bgburnz 4 months ago
killer. killer. killer
MrLewisFloydHenry 4 months ago
If anyone wanders what ELP could have sounded like with five members, check out Gentle Giant. I always felt they were a couple bands short of being really interesting.
MisterNifty 6 months ago in playlist ELP
@MisterNifty elp would not be good with emerson lake palme and 2 guitarists becouse emerson was lead keybordist with one hand and rythem with other so guitars would be not needed,.
lukuntri 5 months ago
@lukuntri But Gentle Giant also had a virtuoso concert pianist along with four other multi-instrumentalist players and they were, if nothing else, incredibly interesting.
MisterNifty 5 months ago
It's awesome! No, not ... It's awesome!*_*
Thanks for the video .=)
Keith13rina 6 months ago
I like it !!!!!!
FERBUS2007 7 months ago
Breathtaking.
FantasyAOR 9 months ago
just for a few moments, right at the end,... though I have never heard this version before.... I was in perfect sync, eyes closed, pure instinct. The sign of only the very best. Thank you for sharing this gem.
TheFearlessFreep 9 months ago
It's a shame Greg did not put that slamming bass intro in the studio album.
brenjfs 9 months ago
I still argue that these guys and YES were the two most important rock bands after the Beatles.
These guys CHANGED the world, yet they're STILL unmatched.
TouchingYou 10 months ago 8
@TouchingYou
King Crimson
ServantofDevils 9 months ago
@TouchingYou True that mate. They couldn't exist without the Beatles, but they took the rock music to the next level, where it could no longer be popular like the music of the Fab Four. Just next week I'm gonna see both Sir Paul and YES in concert. So good. :)
artrocker65 1 month ago
Rock & Roll your eyes!
slugworth63 11 months ago
its funny when keith and greg smile at each other as if to say hey man were too good lol
plazaamador29 11 months ago
The studio album version is a hell of a lot better than this live version.
fox8950 11 months ago
lol'd @ 'POP MUSIC'. 100% of today's popular-music artists are AIDS-infested Hitlers compared to this.
SamHeald 11 months ago
Full respect from Hungary
FenekigTejfel 11 months ago
YAY! Bela Bartok!!! :D
cafity 11 months ago
Carl's a friggin baby in this. He was only 19 when the band formed. He was 20, when they released their first LP (IIRC). Even then he was a virtuoso, bordering on prodigy.
Relayer6a 11 months ago
the first section is the barbarian hordes sweeping across the land, the second section is a lone horseman galloping in haste over hill & dale, desperately summoning reinforcements - the third section is the barbarian assault on the castle & the final battle - or that's one interpretation anyway
SupernalOne 1 year ago
@SupernalOne Or its just a rip-off of Bartók's Allegro Barbaro.
thecr8tor 10 months ago
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Aha - speaks someone who knows - my, those pretentious young Brits!
SupernalOne 10 months ago
@thecr8tor It's not a rip-off. It's a COVER. "barbaro" means BARBARIAN.
TouchingYou 10 months ago
this is so awesome lollol
a83692128 1 year ago
tags...
wtf is Bartoc?! it is Bartók!!!
cuddleslapine 1 year ago
The car is a Peugeot 504...one of my favourite cars for one of my favourite bands
renemill 1 year ago
ELP. One of the best bands of all time. I've grown up listening to this. Rush? I've never ever understood why they're so special for so many people. And I don't understand either why they belong to the "prog rock" genre...I can't find any real progressivity in their music. Sorry, it's just my opinion.
DavySaxon 1 year ago
@DavySaxon I agree with you.Rush isn´t a progressive rock band.So many times I´ve seen bands like Rush together along with bands like YES,King Crimson,Camel,Soft Machine,PFM,Genesis,Lucifer´s friend or Focus...It´s a big mistake,isn´t it?...and Pink floyd...is it really a prog rock band?...I wouldn´t think so,but...what is exactly progressive rock?...is Zappa & Mother of Invention prog rock?...and Return to Forever,The eleventh house,weather report?
renemill 1 year ago
@renemill Zappa is the MOST PROG of all prog in that he's mainly influenced by 20th century composers & his compositions are by far the most complicated & difficult to play. That's why his musicians, Vinnie Colaiuta, Warren Cuccurullo, Steve Vai, Jean-Luc Ponty, etc. are always the best. When people want to hate on Prog-Rock music they always leave Zappa out because they know they can't win the 'pretentious' argument against someone who's dead serious & completely satirical at the same time.
metamorphosis67 1 year ago
@metamorphosis67 Oh yes....finally, someone other than me gets that! Thank you!!
knoxunflower1 11 months ago
@DavySaxon I agree with you.Rush isn´t a progressive rock band.So many times I´ve seen bands like Rush together along with bands like YES,King Crimson,Camel,Soft Machine,PFM,Genesis,Lucifer´s friend or Focus...It´s a big mistake,isn´t it?...and Pink floyd...is it really a prog rock band?...I wouldn´t think so,but...what is exactly progressive rock?...is Zappa & Mothers of Invention prog rock?...and Return to Forever,The Eleventh House,Weather Report,Mahavishnu Orchestra?...can anybody tell me?
renemill 1 year ago
@renemill All those bands were 'Progressive' in that they were challenging themselves to play complicated extended compositions requiring extreme virtuosity. However, Mahavishnu, 11th House, WR were labeled fusion because their 'progression' consisted in achieveing a balanced 'fusing' of the jazz & rock disciplines whereas bands like ELP, Genesis, PFM, Camel, Hatfield & the North etc. were less jazzy & more steeped in the Euopean Classical tradition which they also 'fused' with rock.
metamorphosis67 1 year ago
@DavySaxon Rush was definitely a progressive-rock band from 2112 to Signals. After "Signals' they became a conventional rock act with little progressive content. They fell into the less is more trap when Peter Gabriel & Brian Eno did less-is-more so brilliantly on their early albums. Of course, you can be minimalist & still progress if your concept is strong, the way Kraftwerk, Harmonia & Cluster did in Germany but Rush just screwed up the absolute perfection they achieved on "Moving Pictures."
metamorphosis67 1 year ago
is this on dvd?
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Bela Bartok fuckin crazy xD
dahaka55555 1 year ago
to everyone, this was popular music back then.
those were times when making music was for the love of it, nowadays the formula has been copied endless times, and money is flowing more than ever
corruption my friends
Wayavas1337 1 year ago
Why does it always have to be so and so is better than someone else. I like Rush and ELP I like Yes and Black Sabbath and Hank 3 and Collective Soul but I don't have to compare which is better I like them all.
Daveparts 1 year ago
Rush is an excellent band, though much more "easy listening", less melodical if you know what i mean ;)
stig7585 1 year ago
Pop music? POP MUSIC? WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!
ZombieToaster 1 year ago 32
@ZombieToaster ??!?
DigiPal 1 year ago
@DigiPal In the beginning of the video it says pop music. But this is about as far from pop music you can get unless you go into abstract music.
ZombieToaster 1 year ago
@ZombieToaster. Yeah, dude, settle down.
flimfilms 9 months ago
@ZombieToaster well, this was "pop" music back then. but your right, "rock" music is a more fitting title
FuyuAkiWorld 1 year ago
@ZombieToaster thiswas popular music on the 70s, they dont mean the shitty genre that spawned in the 90's
Wayavas1337 1 year ago
@ZombieToaster it means popular music
gnr147 3 months ago
@gnr147 Its also a genre of music.
ZombieToaster 3 months ago
@ZombieToaster ELP was pop because they were popular, the term pop in the 90s was degraded because of MTV
Wayavas1337 3 months ago 2
@Wayavas1337 it was, because of global marketing, and MTV is just one case of it
Volganian 1 month ago
@ZombieToaster yes it was pop music at that time is a shame that now pop music is shit
powerslaver6 4 weeks ago
Sorry Rush 90s just sucked dude. ELP sold out 60 seat stadiums on a nightly basis. Watch the ELP documentary Before the beggining.
scoobes11 1 year ago
Love the look on Carl Palmers face at 5:10 :)
Carl Palmer's a BEAST
seeifyouspamme 1 year ago
AWESOME but is this a studio remix
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
you mean...Bartok is air-drumming in his grave...
gefolo 1 year ago 3
OMG! Bartok is turning himself in his grave!
Rinhos 2 years ago
Carl Palmer is an amazing natural drummer, ya can't teach that kiddies!!How this got to be slam Rush, I don't know, got to see them at the peak, Moving Pictures 81. Neal Peart was amazing that nite, got to see ELP in 92, uninspired and disappointing, whoever it is you have to see them at their peak, THIS was ELP's time 70-74, if u got to see them u were lucky, I was 2 young, yeah power windows sucked, but so did love beach. Keith worked with Moog to create what he heard in his head,
kevot9 2 years ago
love beach did not suck dude
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 compared to Brain Salad Surgery it did
kevot9 1 year ago
@kevot9 Thats true. with the exception of a couple tunes.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@kevot9 Are you on weed?
birchofacookie 1 year ago
@birchofacookie What's it to ya, cookie?
kevot9 1 year ago
@kevot9 Saw Permanent waves tour. Neil was great. Never seen ELP I was to young. But I think Palmer had the greater ability. He has more resources than Peart.
scoobes11 1 year ago
Excelente performance musical de ELP, comprueba que es el gran grupo de Rock progrevivo osea la aristocracia musical de los 70
rgonima 2 years ago
Dude, that bass sound is SO incredibly awesome.
indi626 2 years ago 20
@indi626 you can get the same sound with the standard overdrive pedal of boss odb 3 i think its called and with new strings
Wayavas1337 1 year ago
Emerson and Lake working together again. That is something in the present. Let's charish the past and look forward to there genius again. Have a NICE X mas
juulbrie 2 years ago
Gotta love Palmer's drumming on this - spectacular, best I've ever heard. The build up towards the end is phenomenal.
PabzGLRP 2 years ago
Bela Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - AND - citroen ds at 0:30
sorry :)
zagyex 2 years ago
A great tribute to the genius of Bela Bartok who actually wrote the classical work this came from.
ELP is one of the greatest bands of all time.
darklock 2 years ago 2
AWESOME! The beginning is fantastic, and the music....well, just don't need to tell! *_*
ZzMatthewzZ 2 years ago
i love this song the bass drums and keyboards!
bvaia 2 years ago
brilliance at its finest!!!!
uiwqe 2 years ago
ELP owns. One of the best bands of any genre, any time, anywhere in world history!!! I love when they show off. remarkable achievement.
MrDeppness 2 years ago 2
supergroup, having achieved almost hendrix, not Heber been dying before burning them, keyboardist Keith Emerson of The Nice, Greg Lake from King Crimson bassist: and Carl Palmer from Atomic Rooster drummer join forces in this group of dyes and progressive very good, where its main elements are the Moog keyboard and structures of classical music.
wizardlyon 2 years ago
dios no existe, esto si ! que banda ! la cajeta del mono..
HonesTlyMente 2 years ago
Brilliant!! Love the wild buzz on bass!!! No wonder Jimi wanted to play with them.
This is definitely one of the most amazing instrumental pieces ever played by any Rock band.
mikimcal 2 years ago 2
Honestly they were out of Jimi's league. He was good, but not this good. Oddly enough, no one really was. ELP were the greatest trio ever in existence during their time.... until Rush came long.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
Actually, ELP and Rush have totally different place in the world of prog rock, but the most prominent difference is the lyricism. Lake's voice and his beautiful ballads separated them from many other one-dimensional prog bands. Frankly speaking I like ELP mostly because of Lake's talent in composing, singing, and playing great bass & guitar. Along with two talented musicians, Keith and Carl, Lake really created the sound that stands the test of time like no other.
mikimcal 2 years ago 2
Totally agree - but Rush? I don´t think they could be mentioned as something that followed ELP. Imo the chapter ELP and progrock keyboard trio was finished with ELP´s split.
anonymusum 2 years ago
ELP were among the greatest musicians ever but they were often sloppy in their playing. Rush however, is always flawless and takes a higher IQ to follow.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
Hmm, ELP´s compositions show a much higher IQ than Rush´s - sorry. Two bands that can´t be compared. -
True, ELP never was a very tight, properly playing live band. But I think that was not in their character. Especially E and P were much too aggresive in their style. But it rocks and it´s powerful.
anonymusum 2 years ago
Compare "Pictures At An Exhibition" to "Hemispheres." The ELP record is innovative, trance-inducing, spontaneous, exciting, daring, powerful with a brilliant stage show. The Rush record is progressive, ground-breaking, intellectual, profound, analytical, precise and masterful.
They each have their qualities. Overall comparing careers Rush is untouchable, but for their time (1970-1979) ELP was possibly the greatest live band in the world.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
Matter of taste - but my most important point: Rush is a guitar trio and guitars are ......... well I hate them!
anonymusum 2 years ago
Haha, Alex Lifeson puts new title on guitar player. Besides Greg Lake played acoustic guitar, bass guitar and sometimes even *gasp* electric guitar!!
I suppose it is sort of a matter of taste, but Rush has much more than double the records to choose from in their catalog and all but the first 3 were produced to significantly higher sonic quality and remastered. Rush has kept with the times while ELP allowed themselves to be a dated, archaic band.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
I don´t agree totally. Pieces like Tarkus or Toccata stood the test of time. And Emerson´s keyboard work is still outstanding - and as a studied/prof. musician I dare to believe to have the qualification to say that. Sometimes I read coms like Jon Lord, the Godfather of the Hammond or similar bullshit. In rock history there is no keyboard player - especially on Hammond - who comes close!
On the other side: Rush obviously isn´t a typical guitar trio - they are a class of it´s own.
anonymusum 2 years ago
ELP's compositions definitely stand the test of time as legendary, but their poor quality ecordings don't as much. Palmer often got drowned out, esp in the live recordings. Rush however, put emphasis of perfection into every facet the their music. They always have the best presentation of their music no matter what format they are presenting in. Rush never burned out or lost their magic. When ELP returned in the 90's they were already tired. Rush is pushing 60 now and they keep getting better!!
MrDeppness 2 years ago
You may be right in the case of Rush! But what does it matter (to me) that it is still a guitar trio with a sound that I hate and compositions that don´t show the complex structure that only keyboards can offer? I don´t care about the poor recording quality of the 70s and I dont´t care who had his hard times in the life situation. Clara Haskil was famous for her stage fright and made stupid mistakes on stage and still was a wonderful Mozart player.....
anonymusum 2 years ago
Dude give me a break please! Rush had some bombs of albums like hold your fire for one.
scoobes11 2 years ago
I've been where your at with Rush dude, you are obviously on this page because you know that ELP pose a threat to Rush. Just except them for what they are.
scoobes11 2 years ago
ELP were magnificent for their time. But they never kept up with technology on their recordings. They didn't mix and master properly. Palmer was always drowned out by the piercing keyboard notes. ELP was one of the best ever, no doubt. I love them. But overall, Rush is just better. Not many bands in history are, so that is a compliment. ELP are at the top all time, right under Rush.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
Dude give me a break! Greg Lake was a great producer!
scoobes11 2 years ago
@MrDeppness I don't thinks so. Rush is great! But they start getting to me at times because they are so rehursed. ELP was much more improvisational and natural. They had many different textures.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 I agree. And very poor sound quality topped with all the mistakes of underpracticed musicians. I agree. ELP were bold, daring and inventive, no doubt. But Rus's music is well-rounded, thought-provoking, and everlasting. Rush had more rhythm and substantive themes.
MrDeppness 1 year ago
@MrDeppness Rush entered the business as average musicians hashing out Led Zep sounding stuff. Nothing compared to the immense talent that ELP arrived on the scene with.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 Not to mention the voice of the band. Geddy Lee compared to Greg Lakes young voice?
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 There was nothing avg about Rush's first album (that they recorded in 1972 btw when they were still teenagers). Give them 1 yr they were writing Caress of Steel, just 2 yrs it was EPIC 2112, just 3 it was A Farewell To Kings, just 4 yrs it was Hemispheres, 5 it was Permanent Waves, 6 was Moving Pictures. ELP started off hot but when they broke up in 1979 they were done - only 9 yrs worth of amazing music. Rush gave us close to 40 & they're still outdoing themselves to this day!
MrDeppness 1 year ago
@MrDeppness I think you're right. And Rush are better musicians. But for this tune, I think this is quiet the best of ELP. Crazy, heavy... Different.
DigiPal 1 year ago
@DigiPal Thank you! Rush are better musicians. But this song is amazing as is almost everything ELP did from 1970-1979.
MrDeppness 1 year ago
@MrDeppness No doubt. Rush is definitely up there. The stuff they're recording these days is good but in a different way, the musicianship has kind of transcended though, not as raw. But early Rush and later Rush are 2 different styles just like almost any other band that's been active for that long.
bonzo21290 1 year ago
@scoobes11 Rush didn't burn out and die like ELP. The always got and are still getting better.
READ YOUR EMAIL. I am so sick of youtube not accepting comments for whatever the ambiguous reasons.
MrDeppness 1 year ago
@MrDeppness they are still going but I don't like neils lyrics that much any more.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@MrDeppness nothing wrong with a band coming to an end. Just look at the beatles.
scoobes11 1 year ago
Would you stop it with the recordings allready! These guys were and are the greatest ever!
scoobes11 2 years ago 2
@MrDeppness If you ask me they did burn out. How old are you? What was the first tour you saw Rush? Hold your fire was sad. Presto was not bad. Roll the bones was so so but the rest of the 90's sucked! It was sad when I heard stick it out on the radio! what heap of crap that song was! Rush redeemed themselves with snakes and arrows if you ask me.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 I first saw Rush 16 yrs ago. I beg to differ. Not 1 Rush album was under a 7 out of 10 in their entire career and the 90's produced some excellent music. Maybe not to your liking, but you are just being subjective.
MrDeppness 1 year ago
Dude please enough! Rush are great but they are not the refined class act of ELP!
scoobes11 2 years ago 4
@MrDeppness Dude coming from a Rush fan. I wouldnt touch their first 3 albums with a 12 foot pole. No offense but those first 3 albums are nowhere compared to the talent of ELP!
scoobes11 1 year ago
you hate guitars? wtf? what kind of a statement is that to make
lazer59882 2 years ago
I love the trio sound without guitar - and I hate to play with guitar players as well as I hate guitar sounds. That´s a simple statement - easy to understand.
anonymusum 2 years ago
yeah its a simple statememt, but its ridiculously closeminded, immature and outlandish
lazer59882 2 years ago
so you hate bass guitars, acoustic guitars, and the millions of different sounds you could squeeze out of an electric.
thats fucking ridiculous, im sorry
lazer59882 2 years ago
I said guitars, not bass guitars. And MY experiences with guitar players and my taste in music is just part of me as a musician. Are you able to understand that? (I guess not ...........)
anonymusum 2 years ago
This is a bass, idiot xD It's just distorted. Unqualified statements like yours deserve to be ignored though.
snufkin789 2 years ago
??? I think you misunderstood something - of course this is a distorted bass, where´s the problem? I love ELP for their music and for their sound (nearly) without an electric guitar. But next time watch your words...
anonymusum 2 years ago
I have always been a huge Rush fan since permanent waves. I saw them that year also. But ELP is still the best trio ever! They are much more refined than Rush. Hemispheres is a good album but listening to side one bores me to pieces. Not to mention neal peart uses a lot of the same thing on many songs. espcially his beat on the ride symbol. Palmer is the better drummer.
scoobes11 2 years ago
I disagree. Palmer is quicker with the rudiments yes, but Neil has more talent overall. He has developed a sense of rhythm far superior, a sense of melody, syncopation. Trust me, I am pro drummer on their level and I give it to Neil. Palmer is quicker and more exciting at times, but Neil is just more well rounded. Neil has no weak points. He follows the songs better and plays with far more attitude. But NP and CP are both my fav drummers ever. Both are brilliant.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
I would have to disagree, personally I don't think Neal has progressed much since Power
Windows. Watching him now after almost 30 years lets me see the sad truth. For example the jungle ryhthms at the begging of the solo are just so old news; cant stand when neil does that. If this is the kind of rhythms your talking about no thanks. However neil has done some of the most brilliant fills ever. For example the short drum break in Natural Science is tasty.
scoobes11 2 years ago
I enjoy Rush as band now they are great. But not the same way I used to see it when I was in awe of peart. Oh and niel has one of the most sweetest feels ever if not the best ever. But I find Palmer is much more challenging in my opinion and has much better form and technich. . Neil just looks to darn stiff at times.
scoobes11 2 years ago
Rush is also stiffer! These guys are much better than rush. Neil is a wanna be jazz drummer!
scoobes11 2 years ago
@MrDeppness Not to mention at the peak ELP was a much bigger draw then Rush. Selling out 60,000 seat stadiums.
scoobes11 1 year ago
@scoobes11 Rush sold 80,000 stadiums in Brazil 2002. And they keep getting bigger, 40 years later. Check your facts mate.
MrDeppness 1 year ago
Please dude spare me with the Rush. Ok I love Rush but they are not ELP!
scoobes11 2 years ago
Holy shit!
floedeln 2 years ago 2
WOW!!!!
IRockSoMuch63 2 years ago
Heavy sinfonica. Hard rock filarmonica.
I think Mozart did not have the resources to play like that. He would have appreciate it and love it
dragoneti67 2 years ago
This song was once the theme song to the Creature Double Feature on WLVI Ch. 56 during the late 70's and early 80's. Love it.
LowellDevil 2 years ago
In Boston that is.
LowellDevil 2 years ago
Marvellously pompous. I absolutely love it!
mjmcnult 2 years ago
3.08 mmmmmm
LilysApple 2 years ago
They didn't even write this song :3 (Technically)
bob20202020 2 years ago
What do you meen by "They didn't even write this song"?!?!?
DigiPal 2 years ago
The original : Bela Bartok: Allegro barbaro ;) But it's still an amazing rework.
bugihugi88 2 years ago
Bartoks widow called emerson and said wheres the money?
spacepatrolman 2 years ago
@DigiPal Just ignore these useless writing... ELP's great. :-)
Wiaszczurka 1 year ago
@DigiPal They just arranged one of Bartok's most famous solo piano piece called Allegro Barbaro.
grenouillounette 1 year ago
@grenouillounette Yes, we all know that.
DigiPal 1 year ago
drumming from 4:30 on is ace !
heraldojesus21 2 years ago
They were hated by rock bands at the time. They thought, "do we have to play like this? we are really fucked!"
cafinario 2 years ago 3
Just listen to the fuzz on greg lake's bass. Awesome!! Palmer's drumming was already great. He really shines in BSS. Kieth sounds awesome as well! Real music!
arklat 2 years ago 3
can u think of a rock band today as good as elp were??ummm nope,,THERE IS NONE!!
uiwqe 2 years ago 2
keith emerson at hob hollywood in may
eddlyster 2 years ago
Get ready for ELP reunion in fall 2009!!
inchargenow 2 years ago
are you serious?????!!!!!!!
drfeelgood883 2 years ago
AMAZEING!! BRAVO!
mewsic156 2 years ago
Wow, where did you get this clip?! There are so few of ELP, considering what a huge (and great) band they were. Thanks for the post!
tarkuslad 3 years ago
Apparently it's from a dvd called Live in Belgium 1971, and the full video is on GoogleVideo somewhere.
GilmoursAngst 2 years ago
this is from the great elp movie...
NastyGreaser 2 years ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!
alexialavadens 3 years ago
Superlative
kirkmach32 3 years ago
Great clips!
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
Love Carl's drumming at the very end of this song. The organ: "BAH BAH BAH BAH BAH" bass drum "boomboomboomboomboomboom."
sonicdeath10 3 years ago 5
aaaah, great music :) I can tear my house to peaces with this music ;]
Kokson901 3 years ago
hilarious!! esp. the last 3 chords!!
(an actual telephone call to England):
Bartok's wife: "Mr. Lake, I believe that you borrowed my husbands song for your new record...."
Greg Lake: "Oh yes, we will certainly give you a percentage...."
finalnexus 3 years ago 2
This is an absolutely brilliant arrangment . I love Bela Barok's piece, but what they do to it is another form of brilliance!!!!!!!!!
tisisils 3 years ago
the bass sound is absolutely incredible in this song
brankov 4 years ago 8
All three very talented musicians. They are very young on this video but they still play like nobody else!
kiks290halmballe 4 years ago
this is great quality. thanks for posting.
nb - the 'running shoes edits' are part of the original recording. What purpose, anyones guess!
TheZanyFilmCompany 4 years ago
awsome my favorute elp song
mikigil 4 years ago
Great clips! (except for those stupid walking shoes)
crimsonkng 4 years ago 3