Huckabee wins on Rhetoric, Warm Fuzzies and Bigotry

[DadsBlueAngel]

Maybe he's right. He's been in the Governor's

Mansion much of his life since he was a kid.

Time to lounge around the pool in a Gatsby

pink suit. I think SLC made him choose between

the honest office and civil rights and the Church--see the turn out the vote anti-gay

marriage campaign in California. He didn't

want to get involved, and certainly didn't

want to be involved in the New World Order.

In his Gatzby pink suit, he may be able to

do some good.

[HiveRadical]

What in your view, Yob, were his three most egregious 'flip flops'?

[Yobachi2007]

"Alleged flip flopping"; are you kidding?

He ran to the left of Kennedy for Senator, to the middle for Governor, and then to the right of Reagan for president.

I've seen him flip flop with in, literally, the same sentence. He took one position before the comma, and the exact opposite after the comma.

Dude, Romney is an even a worse liar than Bill Clinton, and that's TOUGH.

This is all just sour grapes for your Mormon buddy. This is anti-non Mormon bigotry coming from you.

[HiveRadical]

He didn't run to the left of Kennedy. He said he was as much an advocate, if not more so, for gay rights BEFORE gay "marriage" was ever considered by even most of the gay community to be something considered a 'right' So he never switched positions on gay "marriage" and he is still an advocate for the civil rights of all, especially those with same gender attraction.

[Yobachi2007]

He ran to the left of Kennedy. That's nice generalize but he switched repeatedly on specific policy positions, and every time he switched, the position he switched to conveniently and coincidentally was more favorable to the race he was running in at the time.

He tells the heart wrenching story of how he became pro-choice after his aunt died, and then when it's time to run in the national republican primary, all of a sudden he gets moral clarity at 60.

[Yobachi2007]

I guess later for his damn aunt, he really wasn't broken up over her death after all.

Even if you took him at his word, which no thinking person could do, if a man can't figure out his basic beliefs until he's 60 that's not a man I could trust no matter what his position is.

The Mormon community and and the far right wing radio crowd a like just can't handle that people didn't by his sleezy used car salesmen spiel. Take it back to the gullible people of Massachusetts.

[n8glenn]

Wow, that is even more childish, good job! Ron Paul is more qualified to be president than anyone else running, period. Why? Because he is an expert on the constitution. He is an expert on foreign policy, he schooled giuliani. He is an expert on economics and monetary policy, he schooled ben bernanke. He is also an honest, principled man, who entered politics 30 years ago because he wanted to make a difference. Please, if you don't agree then come up with a logical argument. Can you?

[newaza79]

an expert on the constitution...meaningless.

an expert on foreign policy....how?

an expert on economics...how? look at his record.

honest....how?

Go home and preach Ron Paul and build your bumper sticker collection. Thats about all this guy is.

[n8glenn]

What? How is being an expert on constitutional law meaningless? He is an expert on foreign policy because he reads and knows history. He understands what the us government is doing in other countries, he reads the documents written by the cia, he read the 9/11 commission report. You don't realize that he's an expert on economics? Listen, YOU go home and do some reading, you don't know anything about Ron Paul, obviously. I say again, Ron Paul wants to lower YOUR taxes, why is that so bad?

[newaza79]

Huckabee took votes from Romney at all locations. Huckabee never had a chance since day one. His immigration and tax records as a governor are pitiful. His dancing around the confederate flag to entice voters is a sham. The man is not even a second tier candidate, let alone someone anyone should be following.

[Bureyeanne]

I actually was editing the news before it finished airing on the west coast. To give you an idea of how the press works. Also Huckabee is very much an "anti-Mormon". He lied about not knowing much about the church yet spoke at a southern baptist convention in 1998 about the church.

[0mgwhat]

I agree with you. I'm a democrat, but as a Mormon I am highly upset with how the republicans voted this time... Romney is a perfect republican candidate, the only thing holding him back is the bigotry some of the people in his party.

[Snagged44]

I support Mike Huckabee.

I take offense to your insinuation that everyone who supports him is a bigot.

Mike is my first choice, Thompson is my second choice and Romney is third.

It has nothing to do with his religion.

It has to do with the fact that this person at one time in his life had supported abortion. That is what I consider to be a fundamental personality flaw of core beliefs at the basic levels of humanity. He has since changed his stand and I applaud him for that.

[HiveRadical]

I never said or insinuated that everyone who supports him is a bigot, just a significant portion of his supporters. If Huckabee won the nomination I'd support him and vote for him, but just as you see certain things in Romney as fundamental personality flaws I see those things in Huckabee and in a significant portion of the movement that's propelled him to where he's at.

[neuropathic]

The stakes for Mormons in Romney's run are higher than the stakes are for women (for example) in Hillary's run because there isn't any widespread questioning of whether being a woman makes Hillary unfit for office.

There has been quite a bit of questioning of whether Romney's Mormonism makes him unfit for office. It is that brute political fact -- historically contingent and accidental as it is.

[HiveRadical]

On a personal level and a religious level it doesn't matter for me whether or not he wins. What matters to me is whether or not he looses primarily because he's Mormon or for some other reason. It has to be obvious that any person with his credentials, even with the apearance of 'flip-flopping' would be smashing the present field of candidates if they were considered a nominal part of traditional christianity.

[neuropathic]

Once the political status of one's community as a community has been placed in serious question in the context of a national political campaign, the meaning of defeat in that campaign changes.

[pjflack]

Certainly there is anti-Mormon sentiment at work--beyond simple disagreement with doctrine. Read any blog on the subject for clear examples. However, Romney has other issues working against him. It is not simply cut and dry. I think Huckabee's evangelical support is more pro-evanangelical than anti-Mormon however. I have strong doubts that either candidate could ultimately win the presidency for a variety of reasons.

[HiveRadical]

Look at the numbers. Among non-evangelical republican caucus goers Romney wins by a 2 to 1 ratio, amongst evangelicals it's 20 to 1 against Romney. 20-1 against a person is not explained merely by a few other factors, this is religious bigotry.

[rockstar481]

Bigotry? You moron. You just hate Mike Huckabee becuase he started down where Ron Paul was then came out and started to whoop his ass in the polls. And by the way youkind of ramble on and on and on and on.........

[HiveRadical]

Huckabee would have gone nowhere if it wasn't for Romney.

I don't like him as a candidate because he would insure democratic victory.

[duzell3071]

You're nothing but a sore loser, and a Ron Paul spammer. Get over it.

[HiveRadical]

A Ron Paul spammer? I greatly dislike Ron Paul. If someone's spamming in connection to Paul it's yourself.

[n8glenn]

Why do you dislike Paul? I agree with you that people should not judge Romney because of his religion, religion should not have anything to do with running for president. I have to ask though, do you support the war in Iraq? If so, do you really think that any republican who advocates more war can win against a democrat when 70% of america opposes the war, and has since at least 2004?

[HiveRadical]

Many of those who now oppose it oppose it not because they don't think it's worth winning, but because they haven't been convinced we've been in it to win. It's opposition born out of dissatisfaction with the management of the war and not inherently on the merits of starting or effectively executing the war.

So yes, I think a republican for victory in Iraq can win in the general.

[n8glenn]

Do you really think so? I think it is an immoral and useless war, a war where we invaded a sovereign nation based on lies, and it is bankrupting us at an alarming rate while our soldiers are dying fighting over something that is not ours to begin with. We borrow money from China to finance it, and republicans want to stay there indefinitely. I don't know of anyone who opposes the war that disagrees with this assessment.

[newaza79]

Paul should have run independent.

He is the lone Republican in a suit on stage against the war. I think this went against him due to the Republican reputation for being pro-war (sovereign or not)...Paul is a good man, just the wrong place/wrong time.

[n8glenn]

He might still run as an independent, but running as a republican or a democrat is the only way to get into debates and get into the media even a little, which is pretty sad. I don't think he is wrong to run as republican anyway, there should be dissenting views in every political party, and in this case, it is the entire political system that is wrong and corrupt, and I think he's doing the only right thing by opposing it.

[newaza79]

He is not going to run as an independent, looks like you've drunken a little too much of the Ron Paul koolaid.

[n8glenn]

Really? I did not say he would run, I said he MIGHT run, which is entirely true. He has specifically declined to rule out that possibility. By the way, Ron Paul, as everyone knows, tells the truth. The other candidates just spout slogans and nonsense, and the media goes along with all of their nonsense and ignores Ron Paul's truthful statements. So yeah, I drink the Ron Paul koolaid, it's called the truth, what kind of koolaid do you prefer?

[newaza79]

Great, he will lose as an independent. Congratulations on your loser candidate. Ron Paul, an abandoned bumper sticker on a highway near you.

[n8glenn]

Ha! That is so mature. So you don't dispute that he is telling the truth, you're just calling him a loser, that's fine. It doesn't matter whether he wins or loses, it's what he stands for that counts. And what does he stand for? He wants to make YOU RICH! He wants to GIVE YOU your freedom back. He wants to bring PEACE to the world. Keep laughing as the corrupt powers that be push him out of the way, keep laughing as they continue to confiscate everything you own :) enjoy! :)

[n8glenn]

I'm not trying to pick on Romney, almost everyone running will continue the war, the democrats are just being dishonest about it. I want to ask you one thing though, and I hope you'll think about this and be honest with yourself and with me, if Romney was not mormon, would you still vote for him, and if so, why? What is his plan to make america safer and more prosperous? What will he do to protect our civil liberties that are being eroded? What is it that makes him a true conservative?

[vintageyellow71]

Good vid Hive. I feel the same way. It was a clear Romney win, without the evangelical march for Huck. It was clearly a result of a Evangelical whisper campaign for a Evangelical presidential prophet for them and an Anti- Mormon vote. With out the Evgcls Huck would have lost hard. I will be adding another Video on the matter soon.

[flattopFX]

There's nothing "alleged" about Mitt's flip-flops or lies. It's a matter record..a very thick record.

[HiveRadical]

I challenge you on those. Bring forward the alleged three biggest and we'll examine them.

And do you think McCain and Huckabee have not flip flopped?

[chukmaty]

Bigotry? You idiot, that line was put out by Romney to make an excuse for his monumental collapse in Iowa. It was word spread by his cronies in the new media like Matt Drudge and Hugh Hewitt.

The news coverage on Huckabee was non stop anti Baptist rhetoric.

[HiveRadical]

No. I've been door to door as Mormon missionary in America. I know bigotry when I see it. When the non-evangelical republicans voted 2 for and 1 against on Romney and the Evangelicals were extremely opposite then there is a religious bigotry in play.

[jpintj]

I see, if someone disagrees with the Mormon faith, he is a bigot. Nice logic there.

[HiveRadical]

No. If someone will not vote for someone because they are Mormon then they are a bigot.

[lehi23]

I agree completely. Yesterday was a said day for America. Huckabee reminds me of bill Clinton with his populus yet empty reteric for "change" I thought we learned our lesson in the 90's