I had absolutley NO PROBLEM with a black man in the white house....until as of lately. I am so stinking sick and tired of the "Race Card" being brought up everytime you dont agree with or cheer for Obama and his policy i could Scream. It takes focus away from the real issues and problems. Im hardley a Racist or a biggot, but im burnt out on the BS. I HOPE thats not the CHANGE everyone was talking about because I have certainly CHANGED my opinion.
Evidently your opinion wasn't worth very much. I say if you don't like whats going on here in the US. Catch the next ship outta here. You as well as all others that continually blast this president are a bunch of racist and biggots. Worse than the Nazi party itself. Hell, go to germany, but get the hell outta here. Don't come back either.
Which of course explains why just a few years ago Britain finally paid off its WWII debt to America. If Britain ruled America who on earth would they have paid of billions in debt over 60 years?
A White women is baking a chocolate cake, her son puts the fudge on his face."Look mom I'm black". She slapped the shit out of him. Now go tell your father what you did ,"Look dad I'm black" he took his belt and beat his behind. Now go tell your granddad what you did."Look granddad I'm Black" he took a switch and beat his ass". Now go back to your Mom. His Mom says, now what did you learn. He says I've learned I've been black for 5mins and already I hate you white motherfuckers! LMAO too funny!
Why do you say that? He would have done the same thing as Obama without the education. If you voted for McCain you are a racist. Let me explain to all the people who are going to comment talking shit they don't know. It's a say day in 2009 when people rather vote for the dumb guy because he's white then the smart guy because he's black.
I am not a racist, I just believe that the guy with more experience within washington, could do better than the one term junior senator, I mean really..now a person who should had ran would be condelezza rice or bobby jindal, they are awesome!!
You are a racist and you need to be proud of it. People don't care about you racist fucks anymore. Be racist with no common sence. We are laughing at your kind right know.
Again I am not a racist, I am not even white, so I have no crazy loyalty to McCain, its just McCain overall is better in everyway possible than the one term junior senatro which is Obama.. I mean really Jindal 2012!!
larrylive's a racist, all he sees is skin color, he's just transferring.
As for Obama's speech, it was a good speech, too bad his policies are such shit. Those of us that have been around for a while have seen this all before, the failed big govt ideas of the 60s, the patron politics of the 70s. It doesn't work.
evryone who says if u didnt vote for obama ur racist is retarded... end of discussion. just because you dont vote for some1 doesnt mean ur a racist, u just dnt like the person. the election shouldnt have been over race, but on ideas. i would be happy to see a bblack president... if john mccain was black.
just white people from europe should live in the usa and maybe the blacks but we don´t need the rest they can go back to their countries- I want a president who send them back
Listen, you are showing the nieve and prejudice behavior that lost you an election. You assume that we all want to come to your country. Well let me tell you, you are the laughing stock of Europe! (Not America, but people like the poster in question) We don't want to come to your country. Everyone is welcome in the UK (providing they are not crazed criminals). People come to your country because they have no hope at home, there homeland has been burned. And you turn them back? YOU should leave.
Sen. McCain, I can tell you what "they" meant when they asked you where was the John McCain we now see post election DURING the election? I do not believe you are a conservative. You pretend to be. You are a liberal and I think it became more apparent during the last quarter of your campaign. Also, you lost a lot of admiration when you threw Gov. Palin under the bus.
Do you support the Patriot Act that violates your 4th Amendment? Do you support open borders and the war in Iraq? Do you support police butality and violation of rights?
If you don't, write Obama a letter and tell him to correct the laws that violate our constitution. He will do nothing.
Mortgages far too easy to purchase and very little scrutiny, bad mortgages ran rampant. Flippers used shaky data to arrange credit for sight-unseen real estate with the intent to sell before the first payment was made. Risky mortgages were bundled into securities and sold on Wall Street. Big funds, frenzied for a higher rate of return, ignored the risks. This was followed up by lack of oversight and regulation by the Federal Reserve. This is what has ushered us into this recession of 2008.
justiceserved08, why would you put so many comments on one video? You're probably the type of guy that will go on christian videos and post "there is no Christ" over and over.
Why bring religion into this, what does this blog have to do with religion? Besides who the hell died and made you the youtube cop? The type of person who would bring something like posting negatively about religion up is the same type of person who would do just that.
FDIC a program of the federal government put in place by FDR (D) is the main thing right now that's keeping America from an economic collapse.If the nation follows Republican ideology and the banks fail, no one will have any money to keep. What we need is a President who sounds like FDR Obamerica, not a Hoover (R) McCain sound-alike.
"A fool and his gold are soon parted"... (when voting Republican)
The same tired old ideas which created Hoover's great Depression are alive today in the Republican party no taxes for the rich, subsidies for big corporations, no government regulation by the federal government. Change the name from Hoover to McCain on the economy, and the answers are the same.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
Damn that was funny, the way he throws tantrums, I almost believe he is. Anyone notice when he knew he was losing the election, the more he knew he was losing the more he pounded his fists, it's sort of like a five year old the more they can't get what they want the more they stomp there feet.
Washed up phoney ass McLame. You wanna save the republican party? Start voting for "Conservatives"! The voting record will tell the story, This guy voted for the Bailout, he missed the stimulus vote. Vote him out.
Only reason McCain voted for the bailout simple, at the time he was running for president. McCain wanted to look like a hero, he tried to do exactly what he's done so many times before, flip flopped, it failed miserably. Now that Obamerica is president, it's to hell with the US, let Obama fail at the expense of the citizens, hero, I think not. What is he, you fill in the blank, what's it called when someone turns on there own country. Hint Napoleon Bonaparte was called this...
A lunatic is one that quote mines founding father's words and uses it as a way to explain that this country is somehow founded on being anti corporation and calls people Nazi for no apparent reason. Jefferson said that if the private banks were allowed to issue the money it would be our doom. The foundation of his speech is concerning the issuance of money into private hands. Why do you hate corporations so much like they are all about evil motives? Gotta go but I'll be back please make sense
In a constitutional republic the individual citizens rule.
In a constitutional republic the government exists to protect the sovereignty of the citizens.
In a constitutional republic the government establishes a bureaucracy to carry out the will of the citizens, to legislate the protection of their sovereignty, and to regulate all other entities that exist in the nation, such as corporations, to ensure that no other body infringes on the citizens' sovereignty.
Basically the government is there to protect the rights of it's citizens. To make sure nobodies rights are encroached upon. For example If a company wants to dump waste on my property, the government is there to protect my private property rights. If you are saying this, then we do agree.
In capitalism the wealth of a nation (capital, land, resources, and production) is funneled into the hands of an ever smaller group of super rich corporations and individuals.
In capitalism the super rich control such excessive amounts of capital that they begin to exert extreme influence over the government.
In capitalism the government, now indebted to the rich, orders the bureaucracy to legislate and regulate in favor of the super rich.
In capitalism the individual citizen is powerless.
I know where you are coming from now. I agree that is where we are to a degree but those same rich men that owned large businesses and loaned to people through their own banks are now in control of our money supply. This has given you a bad taste for capitalism but capitalism is not to blame. It is the government for giving control of our money supply to private hands. The elected representatives have fought with the money changers up until 1913 when they won the battle.
In capitalism the wealth of a nation is allowed to be in private hands. In the U.S.A we have eminent domain so it's sort of your land maybe. Here in the U.S.A if you think we have truly free market capitalism you are mistaken and if you are using the present state of the U.S.A as your example of capitalism then that is your first folly. Do you think a capitalist economy is the only economy where the government is influenced by the rich?
In Socialism the economy is planned so that certain necessities are guaranteed to the citizens, such as food, shelter, education, and security.
In Socialism the citizens own the means of production, or at least, own the corporations, so that profits are awarded to the workers, rather than a few super rich investors.
In Socialism there is no inevitable accumulation of excessive wealth by a few, disallowing undue influence over the government by any group other than the sovereign citizens.
People have different needs and wants how will the government account for all of these needs? the government already funds education and despite more spending education in America still is not doing well compared to other nations. The private and charter schools do better with less spending though. Aggregate Corporations are owned by the people here in America are they not? Who decides what excessive wealth is? My idea might be different than yours I will be unhappy.
In Socialism, because their basic needs are met, those citizens not already working to meet the society's basic needs are free to form worker-owned corporations (cooperatives), to produce non-essentials and compete with others in a regulated market.
In Socialism security is managed by a government and regulated by a bureaucracy that are not indebted to huge weapons producing corporations.
In Socialism education is considered a basic need by the sovereign citizenry and is fully funded.
In socialism since the government or excuse me "people" own and control the wealth the one that makes the decisions about how to use the wealth is most powerful. The president will then become the king and he will have his own regime in congress. Why in the capitalist system do you see faults with corruption, it can still happen in a socialist system. Either way you can still end up with an Oligarchy.
Do I have a chance to opt out? LOL I won't be happy working my whole life for basic needs. If I am one of the few chosen ones that gets to play semi capitalist I'll have to give my earnings to everyone equally so it will be like working at the DMV. This sucks! I want capitalism back.
Based on my last few 500-character arguments I am now ready to conclude that: Socialism is a better economic system under a constitutional republic than is capitalism.
A wise and frugal government shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
This is a great quote .... in support of Socialism.
"A wise and frugal government shall restrain men from injuring one another" - I interpret that to include super powerful corporations that pollute our waters, our air, our land, and recently our peanut butter because PROFIT guides their decisions, not honor. I believe it includes weapons manufacturers who force the gov't to build $300 million fighters that were designed for the Cold War, when the money could be used elsewhere.
You are brain damaged if you think this is in defense of socialism. He is talking about the government. Remember government and economy are separate things. You totally left out: "shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry" - Government should protect citizens form harm and if they break laws in business too.
"and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
I interpret that to mean that LABOR, the WORKERS, shall not be denied the fruit of their work. Profits should go to the workers, not to a few fat-ass super rich investors.
He started with "A wise and frugal government" and so you know what those words mean now apply the beginning of his sentence with the end "shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
I think I know what you're trying to use this quote for ... but it didn't work.
All he said here was that Congress is limited to those powers already listed ... he didn't say that other powers could NOT be added. BUT if you understood Jefferson just a little more, than you would know that Jefferson believed the Constitution SHOULD change with time - it wasn't meant to be the same forever. Jefferson advocated future gernerations making whatever changes were necessary for their circumstance.
Yes that's why we have added some amendments to it. LOL he didn't have a socialist economy in mind though. The whole point is the founders were libertarian in their views in that they wanted people to be free to pursue their own interests with little government involvement. Defending those liberties is what government is there for. You are advocating a massive government. A government this large will be an oligarchy also. Ending the FED is answer for our present problems.
The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If Thou shalt not covet and Thou shalt not steal were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free. — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787
What does this have to do with anything, except to remind me that the Founders, for all of their wisdom, were complete idiots in terms of religious belief?
You don't understand this because you're forgetting that socialists contend property is owned by everyone. So why would we need government if property was owned by everyone? Adams said law should protect property.
I don't know what Socialists you have been listening to, but I have never spoken to a single Socialist (and I belong to a Socialist Party) who believes people shouldn't own private property.
Now you're just lying, or revealing that you've been brainwashed.
The only property that Socialists are still debating is land - some are for private land ownership and others are against it.
Adams is saying that property is sacred and property should be protected by law so if the "people" own the property or if it's state owned this would be contradictory to Adams view of property.
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
He is clearly against redistribution. The founders were clearly capitalists.
They also believed in talking snakes, magical arks, and resurrection, so they weren't perfect. You should also remember that capitalism was only a couple hundred years old during the Founding, and they hadn't lived through the excesses of the Industrial Revolution .... they didn't know how bad things would get. Also, for all of his wisdom - Jefferson was an aristocrat ... how many aristocrats shared their lands with the people? Get real.
The republic was only young but capitalism was everywhere for a long time. Everyone has always capitalized off of one another but the difference between a free economy and a planned socialist economy is the property or means of production is ownership. So now you just want to say they were stupid bible believers? You're the one that needs to get real, you started off by quoting these bible believers.
Prior to Mercantilism was Feudalism. Mecantilism led to Capitalism. Most historians say that capitalism didn't emerge until free trade began in Britiain in the 1830s. Nice try, though.
Trading goods and services is the basis of capitalism. You can go back thousands of years and find that's what people have done. I'm not talking about failed economic theories that have came and went. Capitalism may have been called whatever but it's been around for some time. I know that the formal modern term of the economic theory of capitalism is more recent.
I took quotes specifically referring to one thing - you're pulling anything and everything that was ever said by any Founding Father and throwing it into the mix - even quotes having to do with French refugees! It's ridiculous!
We can take quotes from the Founders for specific purposes - but I won't ever forget that they were Human, like me, and they could be just as stupid as any of us. Their wisdom in some areas did not extend to EVERYTHING they ever stated an opinion on.
The founders were against using the tax money of private citizens and giving it for what they deemed as "righteous causes." Most Americans hate your attitude about business and the idea of redistribution of wealth equally to everyone. Your views are in the minority and you're wrong in thinking our republic can sustain a socialist economy, it would be a large failure.
Most Americans have been raised to react a certain way to certain catch phrases - such as redistribution. But, when you explain the process without using those terms, they understand and accept it.
We choose to live together, as a society, and we make a social contract with each other - we will work and pay taxes so that we can all benefit from our pooled resources - I can't afford to hire a personal body guard, but working together we can afford a police dept.
We were they raised to react to socialism as a bad thing because it is. Paying taxes for a government to protect your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as long as it does not encroach upon others people's rights to do the same is precisely what the founders had in mind. We do need some government and it needs tax money to be funded. I feel like I keep repeating myself.
Government, like fire, is a fearful master and a dangerous servant.- I think it was Ben Franklin that said this.
With respect to the two words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. — James Madison in a letter to James Robertson
Jefferson was FOR the constitution changing over time, in response to the needs of future generations - so in this case I disagree with Madison, and agree with Jefferson.
Yes that's why we have added some amendments to it. LOL he didn't have a socialist economy in mind though. The whole point is the founders were libertarian in their views in that they wanted people to be free to pursue their own interests with little government involvement. Defending those liberties is what government is there for. You are advocating a massive government. A government this large will be an oligarchy also. Ending the FED is answer for our present problems.
In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. — James Madison, 4 Annals of Congress 179, 1794
What's your point? If anything, that's an argument against foreign entanglement and foreign aid - which has nothing to do with Socialism - every country has to decide their foreign policy, whether they're Socialist or capitalist. This is silly.
Spending money on objects of benevolence or that they see benevolent. The government shouldn't use taxpayers money appropriating to things which they see as good or righteous. One of the FOUNDERS was pointing this out. This is what James Madison felt about spending other peoples money. Your socialist views are contrary to the founder's.
[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. — James Madison
He was a founder wasn't he? You want socialism but I'm showing you the founders didn't think like you. You tried to show me the founders were anti capitalist didn't you? Government should be limited in size and scope and the founders viewed government as a negative force. The government should be left as small as possible. Social problems should be left out of government.
The Founders weren't right about everything and I don't actually want to think like the Founders because they lived two centuries ago - just as I wouldn't want to think like an illiterate Bronze-Age shepherd who believes in a god. We can use some of their wisdom, but not all of it I showed you that many of the Founders were anti-corporate ... capitalism hadn't emerged yet, so it would have been impossible for them to be anti-capitalist ... but being anti-corporate is pretty damn close.
You say the founders weren't right about everything and it's your opinion but that's who they were and those were the framers of the constitution. You didn't show me anywhere where the framers were anti corporate. You did give a quote of Jefferson but he was warning against the private banks getting control of the issuance of our money. The same wealthy men that can loan money to people are also wealthy because of business. How do you think they got wealthy?
He said banks AND corporations - you are choosing to ignore the "and corporations." I reject your argument because you choose to ignore half of his statement.
I'm not ignoring it, really. The banks and corporations is what he said I know this. Who owned the corporations at that time? Who funded the corporations at that time? Keep in mind in Jefferson's time corporations were different in that traditionally there were sole corporations. In those days there were no large aggregate corporations. Jefferson nor the other founders were anti corporation I assure you. He warned against private bankers/businessman controlling the money supply. Get it?
No, I don't get it, because you're wrong. You say there were no large corporations at the time ... what about the East India Company? That corporation became so powerful that its armies and navies rivaled those of entire nations! Mind you, this is only one example, there are others.
You haven't convinced me of anything and it's been three days and alot of entries .... I'm ready to move on. I haven't convinced you and you haven't convinced me.
Yes okay you're right East India Company was a large corporation and I could talk about the East India Company and it's relationship with the English monarchy during the times of this countries founding but I was thinking more in modern terms of large corporations. The wealthy men had already had their hand in England and wanted the same in America. Jefferson warned not to let them get control of issuing money. He could care less who did business as long as they did things lawful.
You are advocating a massive government that can't be sustained. The founders wrote the constitution with liberty and limited government in mind. All you have to do is admit that you are quote mining the founder's words to back up your socialist views. The founders were not socialist and in fact were free market capitalists. They believed in a limited government whose main purpose was to protect life and liberties. The founding fathers were much like modern day libertarians.
I never said that they were Socialists - I was arguing that they were advocates of the Citizens, and that in capitalism the corporations rule, not the citizens. Socialism the way we know it hadn't really emerged yet, nor had capitalism. So we can use their wisdom in general, but not specifically.
I'm concerned with the scope of gov't, not its size. The scope of government should be small - focused on the Life, Liberty, and Happiness of the People -and if it takes a masssive gov't then so be it.
Okay now you never said they were socialists. You sure did try to give much "evidence" and opinions that they were. The corporations only rule because they are in control of our money supply which is what Jefferson warned against. After reading the rest of your comment all I can say is you're living in fantasy land. If you think massive government won't turn into an oligarchy that's where you're living. The founders were for limited government and freedom which is the opposite.
Government redistribution of wealth like socialism is not freedom and it will infringe on others rights to be free and happy. You probably think if I have a billion dollars then that is a billion less dollars someone else has don't you? When Bill Gates built Microsoft he created new opportunities to make money. He deserves the fruit of his labor and if he had to redistribute his wealth he would be unhappy and feel like his rights and liberties were encroached upon.
You keep jumping back and forth between statements involving the style of government and others involving the economic system! I have said that I am FOR a constitutional republic and a Socialist economy. When you continually flip back and forth you only succeed in sounding like an over caffeinated raving lunatic.
LOL hardly over caffeinated and there is a lunatic here but it's not me. Anyway, you can't talk about having socialist economy without government over stepping their bounds by the constitution. Having a socialist economy will lead to massive government. The constitutional republic can't sustain a socialist economy. The founders didn't have socialism in mind.
Unbelievable .... you are mind-numbingly stupid or extremely stubborn.
The Founders didn't have Socialism in mind because it didn't exist as an economic system, nor did capitalism.
Again, I don't care how large the government is - I care about its scope. As long as it's focused on our Liberties, I wouldn't care if it employed more people than Walmart. You seemt to think that the Founders, who lived 200 years ago in a MUCH simpler time, would still advocate small gov't in 2009.
They didn't believe any type of socialism maybe the word wasn't in use but any type of economy that required the government to plan the economy doesn't align with what the founders believed should be the proper role of government. Just because the times are more complex doesn't mean the basic principles shouldn't still be followed.
In 1776 The Wealth of Nations was published so it probably was picked up by the founders. The term economics was not yet in use.The term capitalism was not yet in use. Smith talks about a "system of perfect liberty" instead or "system of natural liberty".To a certain extent, some form of Feudalism was still dominant in parts of Europe. The term corporation, as in feudal corporations, referred to a body that regulated and, in Smith's portrayal, limited participation in a skilled trade.
You're like a christian who is trying to convince an atheist of the existence of god - by quoting the friggin' bible over and over and over. I won't believe anything you say until you convince me point by point. I gave you a list of my points yesterday, which you largely ignored - so either provide a list of your own, debate my list of points, or we're done. If I want to hear a lunatic rant and rave I can just turn on Fox News.
Tell me what I ignored. I replied to every single comment you posted. Oh you want me to reply to your opinions that you posted about how in a capitalist economy things are worse and in a socialist economy things are better. I will disagree with you on everything.
All that you advocate has been done in China. Would you like me to talk about the horror stories? What you have ignored is the American economy has been planned by the federal reserve by interest rates and inflating the currency. The government has regulated the market more than ever. The private bankers that Jefferson warned about have gained control of issuing our money. Answer me about this, have the private bankers been controlling our money supply or not?
Mortgages far too easy to purchase and very little scrutiny, bad mortgages ran rampant. Flippers used shaky data to arrange credit for sight-unseen real estate with the intent to sell before the first payment was ever made. Risky mortgages were bundled into securities and sold on Wall Street. Big funds, frenzied for a higher rate of return, ignored the risks. This was followed up by lack of oversight by the Federal Reserve. This is what has ushered us into this recession of 2008.
Mccain alternative was to cut spending to the bone. It would have led to a bad year or half a year but he would have ended this recession! Obama will extend this recession for years.
Your way is uneducated and blind of common sense. It is a three branch system and I have to hope the senate blocks everything from here out as your president cries they are being unfair. I hate you, your stupidity is ruining this country.
You shouldn't have the right to vote. I don't think you do, I think you are 15. Uneducated meaning just handing out money doesn't help. As for the South you are ignorant. Rural America doesn't appreciate your attitude. Reach your hand out and beg
Obama is a political hack. He mislead people in his speech. Wait until the honeymoon is over and Americans can see the truth. Obama can't stop this economy from going under. We need a recession and we need to produce more close this trade deficit and start saving. McCain doesn't offer any better alternative. These stupid politicians think they can plan economies and spend us to prosperity. The only thing politicians have done is got in the way of the free market. I hope Mr. Prez fails.
Can't you read? I wrote I hope the president fails [his policies], not the country. He's too far left. He is exactly what the country doesn't need right now. BYe BYE Obama in 4 years hopefully not causing to much trouble to our country. Obama is the traitor to free market capitalism and the constitution. Honestly ask yourself, would the founders approve of this guy and does he remind you of a founder? Far from it. Both parties have had their hand in destroying free market capitalism.
Free market capitalism is an enemy of the Constitution, you friggin' idiot. You conservatives always claim to be the patriots - but in reality conservatives are so un-American it makes my skin crawl.
The Founding Fathers? As in, Thomas Jefferson? Let's see what he had to say on the subject:
Yes free market capitalism as in freedom and let the market decide, you know let the people freely do business among themselves with little government intervention.
You are a fool, along with the millions of other citizens who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed ... the greatest victory the corporations ever won, was in convincing the American people that capitalism is as American as apple pie.
I have just provided you several quotes from a few of our Founding Fathers that make it very clear what they thought of unrestrained corporate capitalism. Now, will you listen to them? Or will you blindly follow, like a good little nazi?
Are you going to tell me why I'm wrong or keep calling me names? Anyone can call names but I want you to explain why free market capitalism is bad. My fellow American that has benefited from capitalism. You know there is not one person on earth that hasn't benefited from capitalism. China. You gotta love those great capitalists.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to
I can already see who i'm dealing with. You probably are a socialist and I have seen many of you on youtube here and you take the founders words out of context or you misinterpret what they wrote. Yes he was right, restore the money to the hands of the people where it belongs.The founders believed that only the government should have the responsibility of coining the money so that we didn't have a federal reserve type of bank. He id talking about the issuance of money. Who makes the money.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson
Amen to that and that's what we are seeing now with the federal reserve system. We need to go back to the constitution and what the founders preached and that is only gold and silver should be legal tender and that the responsibility of "coining" money be in the hands of the congress. The federal reserve system is anti- free market and is a monopolistic[monied aristocracy] system of issuing money. That same system that Jefferson preached against.
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. What do you know that's what's been happening since 1913.
You are the one that is willfully blind. I have given you a good intelligent rebuttal and all you can do is call me names and tell me I'm wrong. If all of us are wrong then enlighten us and I just want you to know I am being patient with you because you are just misinformed by these socialist education camps on youtube.
Well, I am so happy to hear that you're being patient with me ... I don't know how I would manage if you were impatient with me. Oh dear! I might faint!
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson
Right the moneyed aristocracy did challenge government and in 1913 won that challenge with the birth of the federal reserve system. Now those men that the founders didn't want having control now have control. People that want a monopoly on anything like the issuing of money are far from free market capitalist.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
This is good he is basically telling those banksters that want to rule the issuance of our money to hit the road. Again I say the federal reserve system is anti free market capitalism. The same type of system the founders preached against and not one word of it from your boy Obama. I have never heard him speak of dismantling the fed and I don't even know if he believes it's a problem.
Wrong ... that is a quote from his speech to the State House of Pennsylvania on August 1, 1776. Long before the Fed Reserve was even conceived. Didn't you just accuse me of taking things out of context?
They were fighting against the same money changers that control the federal reserve system. I can't make it any easier for you to understand and I am trying.
I hear you ... but as long as you pretend that corporations do not pose as big a threat to our Republic as the banks ... you're just not credible, no matter what you say.
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. Corporations are not bad things with nothing but evil motives. Corporations are good in that they provide jobs and investment opportunities. He said nothing about corporations exclusively, did he?
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. Corporations are not bad things with nothing but evil motives. Corporations are good in that they provide jobs and investment opportunities. He said nothing about corporations exclusively, did he?
"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe." - Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln wasn't a founder but yes he did face the same problems in his day. I am willing to say that was the prime reason for him to be assassinated by those bankers. He put us on a silver standard and we returned to proper constitutional roles of money issuance. That was enough to get him and other presidents assassinated. Give us a quote president Garfield about the banksters or better yet Andrew Jackson.
Well - many historians interpret the Civil War as an extension of the American Revolution ... so in many ways, Lincoln was a Founder. My main point is this ... the Founding Fathers were VERY concerned with the accumulation of wealth by corporations and were dead serious about never allowing unrestrained corporations or private banks to run wild ..... NOTHING is more valuable than the rights of the people - the market must be regulated against the corporations infringing on the constitution.
"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce. And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate."
James Garfield, 20th president of the United States
You are using the founders to back up your socialist views. The fallacy you are committing is that you separate what Jefferson said, you mr. socialist are just a quote miner. If private banks control the issuance of money was the whole point it had nothing to do with business/ corporations exclusively. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
I think McCain is mistaking Twitter for some obscure bathroom act.
OhhhMyAxels 1 year ago
All the major tv stations are in the tank for Obama Ed
captaineddies 2 years ago
I had absolutley NO PROBLEM with a black man in the white house....until as of lately. I am so stinking sick and tired of the "Race Card" being brought up everytime you dont agree with or cheer for Obama and his policy i could Scream. It takes focus away from the real issues and problems. Im hardley a Racist or a biggot, but im burnt out on the BS. I HOPE thats not the CHANGE everyone was talking about because I have certainly CHANGED my opinion.
ydnarnosfatsug 2 years ago
Evidently your opinion wasn't worth very much. I say if you don't like whats going on here in the US. Catch the next ship outta here. You as well as all others that continually blast this president are a bunch of racist and biggots. Worse than the Nazi party itself. Hell, go to germany, but get the hell outta here. Don't come back either.
cynnimin 2 years ago
stop obama!
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brooks999 2 years ago
Why didn't he speak out during the election.
nhbright 2 years ago
america is a britsh puppet state!!america is mr evelyn rothschild's private property!!
sshapewa 2 years ago
Which of course explains why just a few years ago Britain finally paid off its WWII debt to America. If Britain ruled America who on earth would they have paid of billions in debt over 60 years?
duncan36 2 years ago
dude your policies are made in britain
sshapewa 2 years ago
Answer or you'll have to retract your conspiracy theory.
duncan36 2 years ago
Earth to John McCain: YOU LOST!
Worrier316 2 years ago
mccain looks really old in this video for some reason..
VBackseatRomeoV 2 years ago
A White women is baking a chocolate cake, her son puts the fudge on his face."Look mom I'm black". She slapped the shit out of him. Now go tell your father what you did ,"Look dad I'm black" he took his belt and beat his behind. Now go tell your granddad what you did."Look granddad I'm Black" he took a switch and beat his ass". Now go back to your Mom. His Mom says, now what did you learn. He says I've learned I've been black for 5mins and already I hate you white motherfuckers! LMAO too funny!
bobbybobby82 2 years ago
John McCain should had won!! God bless him and God bless the brilliant Jindal!!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
brain damage finally caught up to poor old Rocky.
AAAADDDDDRRRIAAAAAAANNNNNNN
aswar314 2 years ago
Why do you say that? He would have done the same thing as Obama without the education. If you voted for McCain you are a racist. Let me explain to all the people who are going to comment talking shit they don't know. It's a say day in 2009 when people rather vote for the dumb guy because he's white then the smart guy because he's black.
larrylive23 2 years ago
I am not a racist, I just believe that the guy with more experience within washington, could do better than the one term junior senator, I mean really..now a person who should had ran would be condelezza rice or bobby jindal, they are awesome!!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
You are a racist and you need to be proud of it. People don't care about you racist fucks anymore. Be racist with no common sence. We are laughing at your kind right know.
larrylive23 2 years ago
Again I am not a racist, I am not even white, so I have no crazy loyalty to McCain, its just McCain overall is better in everyway possible than the one term junior senatro which is Obama.. I mean really Jindal 2012!!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
senator sorry..
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
larrylive's a racist, all he sees is skin color, he's just transferring.
As for Obama's speech, it was a good speech, too bad his policies are such shit. Those of us that have been around for a while have seen this all before, the failed big govt ideas of the 60s, the patron politics of the 70s. It doesn't work.
SYNPlaymaker88 2 years ago
what do you mean by YOUR KIND...
Racist!!!
nygrow8 2 years ago
niggers, pikanineys, you no blacks
edd146 2 years ago
evryone who says if u didnt vote for obama ur racist is retarded... end of discussion. just because you dont vote for some1 doesnt mean ur a racist, u just dnt like the person. the election shouldnt have been over race, but on ideas. i would be happy to see a bblack president... if john mccain was black.
jeskuhisfetch 2 years ago
shut the fuck up loser........PRESIDENT OBAMA forever yes we can
skkeet3678 2 years ago
His head looks like a dry booger.
radishface1 2 years ago
LOL... That's the funniest thing i have ever read
PitbullD 2 years ago
Well, McCain's brain is the size of a booger.
Worrier316 2 years ago
just white people from europe should live in the usa and maybe the blacks but we don´t need the rest they can go back to their countries- I want a president who send them back
JamesCarter98 2 years ago
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TheReviewKid 2 years ago
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Listen, you are showing the nieve and prejudice behavior that lost you an election. You assume that we all want to come to your country. Well let me tell you, you are the laughing stock of Europe! (Not America, but people like the poster in question) We don't want to come to your country. Everyone is welcome in the UK (providing they are not crazed criminals). People come to your country because they have no hope at home, there homeland has been burned. And you turn them back? YOU should leave.
TheReviewKid 2 years ago
But no one likes the UK, your a puppet nation, I mean the only good things about it are wales and manchester united..
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
Why does he sound like he has a big fat booger in his nose
PitbullD 2 years ago 2
he is a booger
tomanyasses 2 years ago
He IS a booger! Why does this make me laugh so much?
Ummm...I think that when he says he 'twitters'- he means 'pick my boogers and wipe them on the hankies on the arms of my recliner.'
radishface1 2 years ago
When he says 'earmarks' it sounds like he's dying to pick his nose. And his ears.
radishface1 2 years ago
Am I the only one who noticed how much he's aged?
FIF1189 2 years ago
Sen. McCain, I can tell you what "they" meant when they asked you where was the John McCain we now see post election DURING the election? I do not believe you are a conservative. You pretend to be. You are a liberal and I think it became more apparent during the last quarter of your campaign. Also, you lost a lot of admiration when you threw Gov. Palin under the bus.
IndyAnna49 2 years ago
thats right this turd did nothng about the illegals pouring into america
tomanyasses 2 years ago
Who gives a fuck what McCain thinks?
biffmctavish 2 years ago
Not morons like you. True experience!!
Governor, Senator, War veteran, Business Man.
Something a moron like you would not understand. Your to busy watching e-news and basing your politics on what the view has to say!
horta85 2 years ago
a war hero this guy is a criminal
tomanyasses 2 years ago
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radishface1 2 years ago
thats right he needs to go back to his ass hole life and quit screwing up america
tomanyasses 2 years ago
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Worrier316 2 years ago
I agree, I don't give a fuck what McCain thinks. I voted for President Obama.
Worrier316 2 years ago
Do you support the Patriot Act that violates your 4th Amendment? Do you support open borders and the war in Iraq? Do you support police butality and violation of rights?
If you don't, write Obama a letter and tell him to correct the laws that violate our constitution. He will do nothing.
biffmctavish 2 years ago
yea because you think hes a black guys whos gonna wave a magic wand and make everything better.
typical.
everyone thought that.
edd146 2 years ago
- "I enjoyed it katie and congratulations on 'your success' as well"
- "thank you... well you're going to have to explain that to me at some point but thank you so much senator mccain"
what success? the usual flattery of mccain
erjoalgo 2 years ago
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Mortgages far too easy to purchase and very little scrutiny, bad mortgages ran rampant. Flippers used shaky data to arrange credit for sight-unseen real estate with the intent to sell before the first payment was made. Risky mortgages were bundled into securities and sold on Wall Street. Big funds, frenzied for a higher rate of return, ignored the risks. This was followed up by lack of oversight and regulation by the Federal Reserve. This is what has ushered us into this recession of 2008.
justiceserved08 2 years ago
justiceserved08, why would you put so many comments on one video? You're probably the type of guy that will go on christian videos and post "there is no Christ" over and over.
masoid3 2 years ago
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justiceserved08 2 years ago
Why bring religion into this, what does this blog have to do with religion? Besides who the hell died and made you the youtube cop? The type of person who would bring something like posting negatively about religion up is the same type of person who would do just that.
justiceserved08 2 years ago
LMAO, It eats John McCain alive when he calls Obama President,
x12danx 2 years ago 2
FDIC a program of the federal government put in place by FDR (D) is the main thing right now that's keeping America from an economic collapse.If the nation follows Republican ideology and the banks fail, no one will have any money to keep. What we need is a President who sounds like FDR Obamerica, not a Hoover (R) McCain sound-alike.
"A fool and his gold are soon parted"... (when voting Republican)
justiceserved08 2 years ago
He probaby where's dentures.....
justiceserved08 2 years ago
*wears
erjoalgo 2 years ago
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justiceserved08 2 years ago
The same tired old ideas which created Hoover's great Depression are alive today in the Republican party no taxes for the rich, subsidies for big corporations, no government regulation by the federal government. Change the name from Hoover to McCain on the economy, and the answers are the same.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results. "
-Benjamin Franklin
justiceserved08 2 years ago 2
"He's a real trooper..."
What is he, five?
deeperwell42 2 years ago
Damn that was funny, the way he throws tantrums, I almost believe he is. Anyone notice when he knew he was losing the election, the more he knew he was losing the more he pounded his fists, it's sort of like a five year old the more they can't get what they want the more they stomp there feet.
justiceserved08 2 years ago
These are videos that I like! haha Cool beans. You don't see stuff like that often.. haha sarcasm! Make more please! (=
Chick6517 2 years ago
Washed up phoney ass McLame. You wanna save the republican party? Start voting for "Conservatives"! The voting record will tell the story, This guy voted for the Bailout, he missed the stimulus vote. Vote him out.
eekdog2005 2 years ago
Only reason McCain voted for the bailout simple, at the time he was running for president. McCain wanted to look like a hero, he tried to do exactly what he's done so many times before, flip flopped, it failed miserably. Now that Obamerica is president, it's to hell with the US, let Obama fail at the expense of the citizens, hero, I think not. What is he, you fill in the blank, what's it called when someone turns on there own country. Hint Napoleon Bonaparte was called this...
What is a ------
justiceserved08 2 years ago
*their
erjoalgo 2 years ago
A lunatic is one that quote mines founding father's words and uses it as a way to explain that this country is somehow founded on being anti corporation and calls people Nazi for no apparent reason. Jefferson said that if the private banks were allowed to issue the money it would be our doom. The foundation of his speech is concerning the issuance of money into private hands. Why do you hate corporations so much like they are all about evil motives? Gotta go but I'll be back please make sense
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In a constitutional republic the individual citizens rule.
In a constitutional republic the government exists to protect the sovereignty of the citizens.
In a constitutional republic the government establishes a bureaucracy to carry out the will of the citizens, to legislate the protection of their sovereignty, and to regulate all other entities that exist in the nation, such as corporations, to ensure that no other body infringes on the citizens' sovereignty.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Basically the government is there to protect the rights of it's citizens. To make sure nobodies rights are encroached upon. For example If a company wants to dump waste on my property, the government is there to protect my private property rights. If you are saying this, then we do agree.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In capitalism the wealth of a nation (capital, land, resources, and production) is funneled into the hands of an ever smaller group of super rich corporations and individuals.
In capitalism the super rich control such excessive amounts of capital that they begin to exert extreme influence over the government.
In capitalism the government, now indebted to the rich, orders the bureaucracy to legislate and regulate in favor of the super rich.
In capitalism the individual citizen is powerless.
Arondeus 2 years ago
I know where you are coming from now. I agree that is where we are to a degree but those same rich men that owned large businesses and loaned to people through their own banks are now in control of our money supply. This has given you a bad taste for capitalism but capitalism is not to blame. It is the government for giving control of our money supply to private hands. The elected representatives have fought with the money changers up until 1913 when they won the battle.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In capitalism the wealth of a nation is allowed to be in private hands. In the U.S.A we have eminent domain so it's sort of your land maybe. Here in the U.S.A if you think we have truly free market capitalism you are mistaken and if you are using the present state of the U.S.A as your example of capitalism then that is your first folly. Do you think a capitalist economy is the only economy where the government is influenced by the rich?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In Socialism the economy is planned so that certain necessities are guaranteed to the citizens, such as food, shelter, education, and security.
In Socialism the citizens own the means of production, or at least, own the corporations, so that profits are awarded to the workers, rather than a few super rich investors.
In Socialism there is no inevitable accumulation of excessive wealth by a few, disallowing undue influence over the government by any group other than the sovereign citizens.
Arondeus 2 years ago
People have different needs and wants how will the government account for all of these needs? the government already funds education and despite more spending education in America still is not doing well compared to other nations. The private and charter schools do better with less spending though. Aggregate Corporations are owned by the people here in America are they not? Who decides what excessive wealth is? My idea might be different than yours I will be unhappy.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In Socialism, because their basic needs are met, those citizens not already working to meet the society's basic needs are free to form worker-owned corporations (cooperatives), to produce non-essentials and compete with others in a regulated market.
In Socialism security is managed by a government and regulated by a bureaucracy that are not indebted to huge weapons producing corporations.
In Socialism education is considered a basic need by the sovereign citizenry and is fully funded.
Arondeus 2 years ago
In socialism since the government or excuse me "people" own and control the wealth the one that makes the decisions about how to use the wealth is most powerful. The president will then become the king and he will have his own regime in congress. Why in the capitalist system do you see faults with corruption, it can still happen in a socialist system. Either way you can still end up with an Oligarchy.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Do I have a chance to opt out? LOL I won't be happy working my whole life for basic needs. If I am one of the few chosen ones that gets to play semi capitalist I'll have to give my earnings to everyone equally so it will be like working at the DMV. This sucks! I want capitalism back.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Based on my last few 500-character arguments I am now ready to conclude that: Socialism is a better economic system under a constitutional republic than is capitalism.
Arondeus 2 years ago
A wise and frugal government shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
andreamirelez 2 years ago
This is a great quote .... in support of Socialism.
"A wise and frugal government shall restrain men from injuring one another" - I interpret that to include super powerful corporations that pollute our waters, our air, our land, and recently our peanut butter because PROFIT guides their decisions, not honor. I believe it includes weapons manufacturers who force the gov't to build $300 million fighters that were designed for the Cold War, when the money could be used elsewhere.
Arondeus 2 years ago
You are brain damaged if you think this is in defense of socialism. He is talking about the government. Remember government and economy are separate things. You totally left out: "shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry" - Government should protect citizens form harm and if they break laws in business too.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
"and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
I interpret that to mean that LABOR, the WORKERS, shall not be denied the fruit of their work. Profits should go to the workers, not to a few fat-ass super rich investors.
Arondeus 2 years ago
He started with "A wise and frugal government" and so you know what those words mean now apply the beginning of his sentence with the end "shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
andreamirelez 2 years ago
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andreamirelez 2 years ago
Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated. — Thomas Jefferson
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I think I know what you're trying to use this quote for ... but it didn't work.
All he said here was that Congress is limited to those powers already listed ... he didn't say that other powers could NOT be added. BUT if you understood Jefferson just a little more, than you would know that Jefferson believed the Constitution SHOULD change with time - it wasn't meant to be the same forever. Jefferson advocated future gernerations making whatever changes were necessary for their circumstance.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Yes that's why we have added some amendments to it. LOL he didn't have a socialist economy in mind though. The whole point is the founders were libertarian in their views in that they wanted people to be free to pursue their own interests with little government involvement. Defending those liberties is what government is there for. You are advocating a massive government. A government this large will be an oligarchy also. Ending the FED is answer for our present problems.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If Thou shalt not covet and Thou shalt not steal were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free. — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787
andreamirelez 2 years ago
What does this have to do with anything, except to remind me that the Founders, for all of their wisdom, were complete idiots in terms of religious belief?
Arondeus 2 years ago
You don't understand this because you're forgetting that socialists contend property is owned by everyone. So why would we need government if property was owned by everyone? Adams said law should protect property.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I don't know what Socialists you have been listening to, but I have never spoken to a single Socialist (and I belong to a Socialist Party) who believes people shouldn't own private property.
Now you're just lying, or revealing that you've been brainwashed.
The only property that Socialists are still debating is land - some are for private land ownership and others are against it.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Adams is saying that property is sacred and property should be protected by law so if the "people" own the property or if it's state owned this would be contradictory to Adams view of property.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
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andreamirelez 2 years ago
Alright so that would include my house and my business right? Whether I own a small business or a large one right? Please let's dive into this one!!
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Typical atheist.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
He is clearly against redistribution. The founders were clearly capitalists.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
They also believed in talking snakes, magical arks, and resurrection, so they weren't perfect. You should also remember that capitalism was only a couple hundred years old during the Founding, and they hadn't lived through the excesses of the Industrial Revolution .... they didn't know how bad things would get. Also, for all of his wisdom - Jefferson was an aristocrat ... how many aristocrats shared their lands with the people? Get real.
Arondeus 2 years ago
The republic was only young but capitalism was everywhere for a long time. Everyone has always capitalized off of one another but the difference between a free economy and a planned socialist economy is the property or means of production is ownership. So now you just want to say they were stupid bible believers? You're the one that needs to get real, you started off by quoting these bible believers.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I meant the difference between the two is ownership
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Prior to Mercantilism was Feudalism. Mecantilism led to Capitalism. Most historians say that capitalism didn't emerge until free trade began in Britiain in the 1830s. Nice try, though.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Trading goods and services is the basis of capitalism. You can go back thousands of years and find that's what people have done. I'm not talking about failed economic theories that have came and went. Capitalism may have been called whatever but it's been around for some time. I know that the formal modern term of the economic theory of capitalism is more recent.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I took quotes specifically referring to one thing - you're pulling anything and everything that was ever said by any Founding Father and throwing it into the mix - even quotes having to do with French refugees! It's ridiculous!
We can take quotes from the Founders for specific purposes - but I won't ever forget that they were Human, like me, and they could be just as stupid as any of us. Their wisdom in some areas did not extend to EVERYTHING they ever stated an opinion on.
Arondeus 2 years ago
The founders were against using the tax money of private citizens and giving it for what they deemed as "righteous causes." Most Americans hate your attitude about business and the idea of redistribution of wealth equally to everyone. Your views are in the minority and you're wrong in thinking our republic can sustain a socialist economy, it would be a large failure.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Most Americans have been raised to react a certain way to certain catch phrases - such as redistribution. But, when you explain the process without using those terms, they understand and accept it.
We choose to live together, as a society, and we make a social contract with each other - we will work and pay taxes so that we can all benefit from our pooled resources - I can't afford to hire a personal body guard, but working together we can afford a police dept.
Arondeus 2 years ago
We were they raised to react to socialism as a bad thing because it is. Paying taxes for a government to protect your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as long as it does not encroach upon others people's rights to do the same is precisely what the founders had in mind. We do need some government and it needs tax money to be funded. I feel like I keep repeating myself.
Government, like fire, is a fearful master and a dangerous servant.- I think it was Ben Franklin that said this.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
With respect to the two words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. — James Madison in a letter to James Robertson
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Jefferson was FOR the constitution changing over time, in response to the needs of future generations - so in this case I disagree with Madison, and agree with Jefferson.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Yes that's why we have added some amendments to it. LOL he didn't have a socialist economy in mind though. The whole point is the founders were libertarian in their views in that they wanted people to be free to pursue their own interests with little government involvement. Defending those liberties is what government is there for. You are advocating a massive government. A government this large will be an oligarchy also. Ending the FED is answer for our present problems.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. — James Madison, 4 Annals of Congress 179, 1794
andreamirelez 2 years ago
What's your point? If anything, that's an argument against foreign entanglement and foreign aid - which has nothing to do with Socialism - every country has to decide their foreign policy, whether they're Socialist or capitalist. This is silly.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Spending money on objects of benevolence or that they see benevolent. The government shouldn't use taxpayers money appropriating to things which they see as good or righteous. One of the FOUNDERS was pointing this out. This is what James Madison felt about spending other peoples money. Your socialist views are contrary to the founder's.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. — James Madison
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I think Madison was wrong here.
Arondeus 2 years ago
He was a founder wasn't he? You want socialism but I'm showing you the founders didn't think like you. You tried to show me the founders were anti capitalist didn't you? Government should be limited in size and scope and the founders viewed government as a negative force. The government should be left as small as possible. Social problems should be left out of government.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
The Founders weren't right about everything and I don't actually want to think like the Founders because they lived two centuries ago - just as I wouldn't want to think like an illiterate Bronze-Age shepherd who believes in a god. We can use some of their wisdom, but not all of it I showed you that many of the Founders were anti-corporate ... capitalism hadn't emerged yet, so it would have been impossible for them to be anti-capitalist ... but being anti-corporate is pretty damn close.
Arondeus 2 years ago
You say the founders weren't right about everything and it's your opinion but that's who they were and those were the framers of the constitution. You didn't show me anywhere where the framers were anti corporate. You did give a quote of Jefferson but he was warning against the private banks getting control of the issuance of our money. The same wealthy men that can loan money to people are also wealthy because of business. How do you think they got wealthy?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
He said banks AND corporations - you are choosing to ignore the "and corporations." I reject your argument because you choose to ignore half of his statement.
Arondeus 2 years ago
I'm not ignoring it, really. The banks and corporations is what he said I know this. Who owned the corporations at that time? Who funded the corporations at that time? Keep in mind in Jefferson's time corporations were different in that traditionally there were sole corporations. In those days there were no large aggregate corporations. Jefferson nor the other founders were anti corporation I assure you. He warned against private bankers/businessman controlling the money supply. Get it?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
No, I don't get it, because you're wrong. You say there were no large corporations at the time ... what about the East India Company? That corporation became so powerful that its armies and navies rivaled those of entire nations! Mind you, this is only one example, there are others.
You haven't convinced me of anything and it's been three days and alot of entries .... I'm ready to move on. I haven't convinced you and you haven't convinced me.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Yes okay you're right East India Company was a large corporation and I could talk about the East India Company and it's relationship with the English monarchy during the times of this countries founding but I was thinking more in modern terms of large corporations. The wealthy men had already had their hand in England and wanted the same in America. Jefferson warned not to let them get control of issuing money. He could care less who did business as long as they did things lawful.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
You are advocating a massive government that can't be sustained. The founders wrote the constitution with liberty and limited government in mind. All you have to do is admit that you are quote mining the founder's words to back up your socialist views. The founders were not socialist and in fact were free market capitalists. They believed in a limited government whose main purpose was to protect life and liberties. The founding fathers were much like modern day libertarians.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I never said that they were Socialists - I was arguing that they were advocates of the Citizens, and that in capitalism the corporations rule, not the citizens. Socialism the way we know it hadn't really emerged yet, nor had capitalism. So we can use their wisdom in general, but not specifically.
I'm concerned with the scope of gov't, not its size. The scope of government should be small - focused on the Life, Liberty, and Happiness of the People -and if it takes a masssive gov't then so be it.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Okay now you never said they were socialists. You sure did try to give much "evidence" and opinions that they were. The corporations only rule because they are in control of our money supply which is what Jefferson warned against. After reading the rest of your comment all I can say is you're living in fantasy land. If you think massive government won't turn into an oligarchy that's where you're living. The founders were for limited government and freedom which is the opposite.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Government redistribution of wealth like socialism is not freedom and it will infringe on others rights to be free and happy. You probably think if I have a billion dollars then that is a billion less dollars someone else has don't you? When Bill Gates built Microsoft he created new opportunities to make money. He deserves the fruit of his labor and if he had to redistribute his wealth he would be unhappy and feel like his rights and liberties were encroached upon.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
You keep jumping back and forth between statements involving the style of government and others involving the economic system! I have said that I am FOR a constitutional republic and a Socialist economy. When you continually flip back and forth you only succeed in sounding like an over caffeinated raving lunatic.
Arondeus 2 years ago
LOL hardly over caffeinated and there is a lunatic here but it's not me. Anyway, you can't talk about having socialist economy without government over stepping their bounds by the constitution. Having a socialist economy will lead to massive government. The constitutional republic can't sustain a socialist economy. The founders didn't have socialism in mind.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Unbelievable .... you are mind-numbingly stupid or extremely stubborn.
The Founders didn't have Socialism in mind because it didn't exist as an economic system, nor did capitalism.
Again, I don't care how large the government is - I care about its scope. As long as it's focused on our Liberties, I wouldn't care if it employed more people than Walmart. You seemt to think that the Founders, who lived 200 years ago in a MUCH simpler time, would still advocate small gov't in 2009.
Arondeus 2 years ago
They didn't believe any type of socialism maybe the word wasn't in use but any type of economy that required the government to plan the economy doesn't align with what the founders believed should be the proper role of government. Just because the times are more complex doesn't mean the basic principles shouldn't still be followed.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
In 1776 The Wealth of Nations was published so it probably was picked up by the founders. The term economics was not yet in use.The term capitalism was not yet in use. Smith talks about a "system of perfect liberty" instead or "system of natural liberty".To a certain extent, some form of Feudalism was still dominant in parts of Europe. The term corporation, as in feudal corporations, referred to a body that regulated and, in Smith's portrayal, limited participation in a skilled trade.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Nevermind - you're boring me.
You're like a christian who is trying to convince an atheist of the existence of god - by quoting the friggin' bible over and over and over. I won't believe anything you say until you convince me point by point. I gave you a list of my points yesterday, which you largely ignored - so either provide a list of your own, debate my list of points, or we're done. If I want to hear a lunatic rant and rave I can just turn on Fox News.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Tell me what I ignored. I replied to every single comment you posted. Oh you want me to reply to your opinions that you posted about how in a capitalist economy things are worse and in a socialist economy things are better. I will disagree with you on everything.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
All that you advocate has been done in China. Would you like me to talk about the horror stories? What you have ignored is the American economy has been planned by the federal reserve by interest rates and inflating the currency. The government has regulated the market more than ever. The private bankers that Jefferson warned about have gained control of issuing our money. Answer me about this, have the private bankers been controlling our money supply or not?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Mortgages far too easy to purchase and very little scrutiny, bad mortgages ran rampant. Flippers used shaky data to arrange credit for sight-unseen real estate with the intent to sell before the first payment was ever made. Risky mortgages were bundled into securities and sold on Wall Street. Big funds, frenzied for a higher rate of return, ignored the risks. This was followed up by lack of oversight by the Federal Reserve. This is what has ushered us into this recession of 2008.
justiceserved08 2 years ago
big woopi, speaches dont do shit...just pothetic talk
BourbonWhiskies 2 years ago
Mccain alternative was to cut spending to the bone. It would have led to a bad year or half a year but he would have ended this recession! Obama will extend this recession for years.
drahm33 2 years ago
mccain =3rd. term for bush
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
What a very ignorant thing to say. You didn't even listen to the candidates did you? All will suffer for your Obama love.
drahm33 2 years ago
You lost. We're doing it our way.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Your way is uneducated and blind of common sense. It is a three branch system and I have to hope the senate blocks everything from here out as your president cries they are being unfair. I hate you, your stupidity is ruining this country.
drahm33 2 years ago
Our way is uneducated? The Republicans are barely holding on to the Southern states, hardly the nation's center of higher learning.
Guess what. He's your president, too. : )
I'll try to get over the fact that you hate me.
In the meantime ... did I mention that you lost and we're doing it our way?
Arondeus 2 years ago
You shouldn't have the right to vote. I don't think you do, I think you are 15. Uneducated meaning just handing out money doesn't help. As for the South you are ignorant. Rural America doesn't appreciate your attitude. Reach your hand out and beg
drahm33 2 years ago
"Rural America doesn't appreciate your attitude." Well, that's just tough.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Obama is a political hack. He mislead people in his speech. Wait until the honeymoon is over and Americans can see the truth. Obama can't stop this economy from going under. We need a recession and we need to produce more close this trade deficit and start saving. McCain doesn't offer any better alternative. These stupid politicians think they can plan economies and spend us to prosperity. The only thing politicians have done is got in the way of the free market. I hope Mr. Prez fails.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Then, you're saying you hope the US fails, because he is at the helm for the next 4 years. Thanks, traitor.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Can't you read? I wrote I hope the president fails [his policies], not the country. He's too far left. He is exactly what the country doesn't need right now. BYe BYE Obama in 4 years hopefully not causing to much trouble to our country. Obama is the traitor to free market capitalism and the constitution. Honestly ask yourself, would the founders approve of this guy and does he remind you of a founder? Far from it. Both parties have had their hand in destroying free market capitalism.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Free market capitalism is an enemy of the Constitution, you friggin' idiot. You conservatives always claim to be the patriots - but in reality conservatives are so un-American it makes my skin crawl.
The Founding Fathers? As in, Thomas Jefferson? Let's see what he had to say on the subject:
Arondeus 2 years ago
Yes free market capitalism as in freedom and let the market decide, you know let the people freely do business among themselves with little government intervention.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
You are a fool, along with the millions of other citizens who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed ... the greatest victory the corporations ever won, was in convincing the American people that capitalism is as American as apple pie.
I have just provided you several quotes from a few of our Founding Fathers that make it very clear what they thought of unrestrained corporate capitalism. Now, will you listen to them? Or will you blindly follow, like a good little nazi?
Arondeus 2 years ago
Are you going to tell me why I'm wrong or keep calling me names? Anyone can call names but I want you to explain why free market capitalism is bad. My fellow American that has benefited from capitalism. You know there is not one person on earth that hasn't benefited from capitalism. China. You gotta love those great capitalists.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to
whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson
Arondeus 2 years ago 2
I can already see who i'm dealing with. You probably are a socialist and I have seen many of you on youtube here and you take the founders words out of context or you misinterpret what they wrote. Yes he was right, restore the money to the hands of the people where it belongs.The founders believed that only the government should have the responsibility of coining the money so that we didn't have a federal reserve type of bank. He id talking about the issuance of money. Who makes the money.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I see .... then your answer is that you will continue to blindly follow like a good little nazi.
The Founding Fathers would puke if they met you.
Arondeus 2 years ago
I think they would puke at the idea of socialism.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson
Arondeus 2 years ago 2
Amen to that and that's what we are seeing now with the federal reserve system. We need to go back to the constitution and what the founders preached and that is only gold and silver should be legal tender and that the responsibility of "coining" money be in the hands of the congress. The federal reserve system is anti- free market and is a monopolistic[monied aristocracy] system of issuing money. That same system that Jefferson preached against.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
And, you just completely ignored that he specifically mentioned corporations as well. LOL! Willfully blind!
Arondeus 2 years ago
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. What do you know that's what's been happening since 1913.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
He said that the banks AND the corporations will deprive the people .... you are being pig-headed and willfully blind.
Arondeus 2 years ago
You are the one that is willfully blind. I have given you a good intelligent rebuttal and all you can do is call me names and tell me I'm wrong. If all of us are wrong then enlighten us and I just want you to know I am being patient with you because you are just misinformed by these socialist education camps on youtube.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Well, I am so happy to hear that you're being patient with me ... I don't know how I would manage if you were impatient with me. Oh dear! I might faint!
Arondeus 2 years ago
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson
Arondeus 2 years ago
Right the moneyed aristocracy did challenge government and in 1913 won that challenge with the birth of the federal reserve system. Now those men that the founders didn't want having control now have control. People that want a monopoly on anything like the issuing of money are far from free market capitalist.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
Arondeus 2 years ago
This is good he is basically telling those banksters that want to rule the issuance of our money to hit the road. Again I say the federal reserve system is anti free market capitalism. The same type of system the founders preached against and not one word of it from your boy Obama. I have never heard him speak of dismantling the fed and I don't even know if he believes it's a problem.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Wrong ... that is a quote from his speech to the State House of Pennsylvania on August 1, 1776. Long before the Fed Reserve was even conceived. Didn't you just accuse me of taking things out of context?
Arondeus 2 years ago
They were fighting against the same money changers that control the federal reserve system. I can't make it any easier for you to understand and I am trying.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
I hear you ... but as long as you pretend that corporations do not pose as big a threat to our Republic as the banks ... you're just not credible, no matter what you say.
Arondeus 2 years ago
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. Corporations are not bad things with nothing but evil motives. Corporations are good in that they provide jobs and investment opportunities. He said nothing about corporations exclusively, did he?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
The whole problem is he started with: If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation. So the problem is not corporations it is private banks issuing control of our money first by inflation and then by deflation. Corporations are not bad things with nothing but evil motives. Corporations are good in that they provide jobs and investment opportunities. He said nothing about corporations exclusively, did he?
andreamirelez 2 years ago
"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe." - Abraham Lincoln
Arondeus 2 years ago
Lincoln wasn't a founder but yes he did face the same problems in his day. I am willing to say that was the prime reason for him to be assassinated by those bankers. He put us on a silver standard and we returned to proper constitutional roles of money issuance. That was enough to get him and other presidents assassinated. Give us a quote president Garfield about the banksters or better yet Andrew Jackson.
andreamirelez 2 years ago
Well - many historians interpret the Civil War as an extension of the American Revolution ... so in many ways, Lincoln was a Founder. My main point is this ... the Founding Fathers were VERY concerned with the accumulation of wealth by corporations and were dead serious about never allowing unrestrained corporations or private banks to run wild ..... NOTHING is more valuable than the rights of the people - the market must be regulated against the corporations infringing on the constitution.
Arondeus 2 years ago
"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce. And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate."
James Garfield, 20th president of the United States
andreamirelez 2 years ago
You are using the founders to back up your socialist views. The fallacy you are committing is that you separate what Jefferson said, you mr. socialist are just a quote miner. If private banks control the issuance of money was the whole point it had nothing to do with business/ corporations exclusively. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
andreamirelez 2 years ago