@Socomnick Concealed carry has several disadvantages to open carry. It is less comfortable and requires carrying a smaller less powerful firearm. It offers no deterrent to a criminal. It is slower to access when needed. It is more prone to accidental injury. It usually requires an expensive permit. Butterflies makes some people uneasy too, they shouldn't be outlawed.
@Siguror6 Doesn't happen. I am aware of ONE story in the history of open carry in this country where the OCer was targeted. I can think of at least THREE reported news stories in the last 10 years where open carry deterred a criminal act. There are countless other times when showing a firearm deterred a criminal from committing their act. Usually shots aren't needed, the criminal flees at the sight of a lawfully used firearm.
@boyscout399 Very good job! Our Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms. Doesn't mater if you like it or if it scares you. It is not a crime and the cops DO NOT have the right to detain you for exercising your rights and we are NOT required to show ID for exercising our rights. Period. End of story.
@TheRebelEye In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. You need reasonable suspicion that they are committing a crime before you can detain them. You need suspicion that they are illegally carrying the gun, otherwise you have to assume they are carrying it legally.
From my understanding, you only need reasonable suspicion to ask for ID. The definition of R.S. is that someone HAS, IS, or MAY commit(ing) a crime. Having a Weapon (open carry) CAN SOMETIMES be interpreted as R.S. I personally agree with you that they shouldn't be questioning you, but, at least help them out, they cant just walk away from a call my dude...
@boyscout399 Once again, I said interpreted, one's interpretation can differ, yes their interpretation may be wrong, but police officers are human too..
@VaBeachKev The law has been interpreted by a federal judge. It's settled law now. Police (executive branch of government) do not interpret the law. That is for the Judicial branch. Executive Branch enforces the law.
@D2jspkid Over in the short term, but would you like your name in a police report that is google searchable and could come back and haunt you at your next job interview?
@VaBeachKev It ends up in a police report. All police activity is put into a police log. This log is published by our local newspaper every week as a pdf file. This event was in the log and instead of listing my name it said "unidentified male." Every other event in the log had the person's name in it, regardless of whether the person was cited or not.
@xxxxvalentinxxxx No they don't think that at all. The majority of people are supportive and will come up and ask questions and are friendly. Very few people think negatively when they see me carrying.
@boyscout399 Why not just conceal carry? It would put people at ease,belive me that not anybody is ok with this,if you where to come in to a diner or something,I would take the safety off of my gun,and besides..if somebody walks in with a gun to rob a place,you will be the first they shoot,you are doing this just so that people respect you because they see the gun,and you are trying to make police officers look foolish for doing they're jobs.
@xxxxvalentinxxxx Open carry is more comfortable. Also open carry deters a criminal. This is proven. Show me a time when an open carrying citizen was targeted first. It never has happened. A criminal will case the place, see you, and choose another place. If they rob spontaneously, they won't even notice the gun because their focus will be on the prize, the register. You can see videos of robbers not even noticing a cop in a convenience store when they come to rob it. They aren't paying attn.
@xxxxvalentinxxxx The officers were not doing their jobs. They were breaking the law. They were reprimanded and retrained by their chief. If they were doing their job, the chief would have commended them.
@xxxxvalentinxxxx You need more firearms training if you're going around town flicking your safety on and off on your gun willy nilly when there isn't any threat to you. Sweep the safety off during the draw stroke or press out if you're carrying a gun with a safety. Have you ever seen a police officer flick their safety on or off while in the holster? You're dangerous.
@xxxxvalentinxxxx Carrying a concealed weapon is illegal.No one is trying to make the cops look foolish but they aren't doing their job properly. Read your amendments 2 and 4. It's our right to walk around with a gun if we want to, period.End of arguement.
LOL just cause Maine says you can still pretend its the wild west doesn't mean you should. kids go crazy and shoot people all the time. These kids are fucking retarded ! Legal or not I know I would be uncomfortable if 2 nerdy columbine looking kids walked onto a public beach packing a couple of 45,s lol !
@SuperTurbo1200 Kids don't go crazy and shoot people "All the time" There are 200 million+ guns in this country and there have been a handful of mass shootings in the last 30 years. There are 76 million youth in the country currently and there are very few mass shootings. Statistically if there are 10 mass shootings by youths this year that's 1 in 7.6 million youths will be involved in a shooting.
@SuperTurbo1200 Guns are used in America 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crime. Yet there are only 30,000 deaths per year due to firearms and half of those are suicides. Guns are not the plague you think they are.
@SuperTurbo1200 Carrying a modern reliable self defense handgun in a modern retention holster while wearing modern fashionable clothing is not "pretending it's the wild west" I wasn't wearing cowboy boots, hat, and a low slung six shooter.
@SuperTurbo1200 I am prepared. Just in case. Why do you wear a seatbelt? Why do you have a fire extinguisher? You don't want to get into a car accident, but if you do, you're ready for it. I started carrying 4 years ago after watching the local news and seeing night after night there was at least one robbery or assault or some form of violent crime almost every day in Maine. I decided that if that happened to me I didn't want to be a helpless victim.
@SuperTurbo1200 You cannot predict when violent crime will happen. If you carry 50% of the time, then you are giving a criminal 50% better opportunity to choose you as a victim. I choose to carry 100% of the time to make myself a lower opportunity for a criminal. The criminal chooses the time and place of your assault. If I knew ahead of time that today I was going to get assaulted and tomorrow I wouldn't, then perhaps my carry habits would change, but you can never know that.
@boyscout399 Well I guess I got no argument with wanting to protect yourself. I have lots of guns and I to would rather have one and not need it then need one and not have it. I just don't carry them on me. I still think you are way over the top and your just being paranoid. You must live in a poor nehborhood or something. Up here Canada robbery is very rare.
@SuperTurbo1200 Robbery rates may be slightly rarer in Canada, but you have a fairly high rate of sexual assaults. Remember, robbery is only one form of violent crime. Preparedness does not equal paranoia. I don't worry about being a victim. I don't think on any given day that I will be a victim today. I am just prepared for it if it eventually occurs.
@boyscout399 If I was going to rape you I would sneak up on you and take your gun and maybe us it against you after I repeatedly ass raped you.... in the ass ! Im 6,3 228 and I work out a fair bit you having a gun would absolutely not make any difference if I choose to commit a crime against you. Although I will agree it may deture me to pic someone with out a gun strapped to them. Point is again I think your a highly paranoid person to think you need a loaded weapon on you at all times !
@SuperTurbo1200 Preparedness is not paranoia. Also, the gun is an equalizer. My gun can easily kill a 6'3" 228lb person. My gun is in a retention holster so when you tried to grab it and it didn't come out you'd be in for a bit of a surprise. My situational awareness would pick up on you targeting me long before you came into range for a gun grab anyway. How many armed people do you hear about getting raped? How many defenseless people?
@SuperTurbo1200 Your likelihood of being a victim on a given day is statistically very small. But when you add those days up over your entire life, 1 in 5 people will be a victim of violent crime. That's 20% of the population will be a victim of violent crime. That means the likelihood that at some point in my life I will witness a violent crime or be a victim of violent crime is quite high. I would rather face that risk with a gun on my hip than without one.
@SuperTurbo1200 So if you carry for one day out of your life, you probably won't need it that day. If you carry every day for your whole life, you will probably need it on at least one occasion and that's reason enough for me to never go anywhere without it.
@GohModley Canada didn't declare independence from Britain until 1931 and didn't achieve full independence until 1945. Are you suggesting that the US should have stayed under British control and taxation without representation for 200 years longer than we did? How do you suppose we would have been allowed to separate from British rule? Don't you think perhaps Canada was allowed to separate from British rule BECAUSE of America's war for freedom? They wouldn't be free if we didn't set precedent.
@boyscout399 There's a fine line between standing up for your rights and being an ass. There's also a fine line between refusing consent and refusing to comply. You're flirting with refusing to comply, which IS a detainable offense.
@MYBIOHAZARD If open carry is legal, then carrying openly does not require one to prove that they are doing so legally.
Citizens are only required to identify themselves when they are being detained/arrested/issued a citation, because a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
Doing something that is legal (such as open carry in Maine) is not by itself grounds for reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
@MYBIOHAZARD Consider this: a neighbor doesn't like you and calls police, says you are playing loud music and selling drugs. The police are dispatched to your house, but while walking up hear no music, see no evidence of drugs or drug sales, basically see no evidence of anything the "concerned neighbor" has claimed. It would then be illegal for the police to search or detain you. A concerned person's call alone is not sufficient to infringe on your rights, as it should be.
If this is true then why are police responding to a complaint that some one is doing something that is legal. That would be like me calling the police and saying my someone is driving there car.
If you periodically stop people for random road checks and that is the practice on a regular basis then it's permissible to stop these guys. Open carry is not bright, an armed felon will shoot you first then finish the crime.
@Siguror6 Wrong. You can't periodically stop random people. Delaware v Prouse. Police can make a road block and stop everyone. They can also stop every other or every third car. But they can't single people out at random. There has to be a pattern.
@boyscout399 Read the news, they've already done away with the 4th amendment. They can arrest and search you anywhere, anytime. The only thing we HAVE to protest is open carry. I was just denied my CWP for NO reason. It's a changing world out there. The only thing I CAN do to protest is OPEN CARRY. Check National Defense Agency and the NEW Patriot act. It goes even FARTHER... And I voted FOR OBAMA like a dumb shit.....
@jdseams They cannot arrest you and search you anywhere anytime. The NDAA allows them to detain you IF they have probable cause to believe you are closely connected with international terrorism.
ignorance of the law, cops do it every day. im not saying that all cops are bad i have very close family friends that are police officer, and many of them at that. but they agree officers like these give them a bad wrap
@slcslobalt I don't like lawsuits. I wrote a complaint and talked with the Chief of Police. He agreed to retrain the entire department in requirements for initiating a legal detainment, how to handle requests for a lawyer, and the legality of carrying firearms openly.
I started to click "dislike" only because I felt you were making the Officer's day more difficult. However, Your right. That is how it starts. Little by little our freedoms are being eroded. One more thing, name a felon or a law breaker who is going to carry openly. Not likely. I still wish there could be another way to get our point across with out making it difficult for our Men and woman who risk their lives for us everyday.
@Macjac0323 My opinion is that there are plenty of good cops who deserve respect and admiration. Then there are those who blatantly disregard law and invade our rights. Those are bad cops and they are dangerous to our society and must be stopped. This event would not have happened with a good cop because the cop would have followed the law instead of ignoring it.
@NightriderX2 I fully disagree. Perhaps in some departments there is a high amount of bad cops, but most departments I've had interactions with it's more like 95% good to 5% bad cops.
@Macjac0323 Action such as this does not make it difficult for the good cops who are law abiding. It only makes it difficult for those cops who are trying to erode the rights granted under the constitution that they've sworn to uphold.
Carry a gun is not considered a crime nor does it give reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. I wish people who post would know and understand the law and their rights and what freedom is.
It doesn't really matter whether this guy who was invoking his right to openly carry a gun was correct in his argument with these police officers. He was just giving the officers a difficult time. The issue could have been resolved in approximately 60 seconds if he would have stated his name, shown his identification, and explained to the officers that he has an open carry license(or however he has his right to open carry, license or not).
@whwdc If you give in to an unlawful demand for identification then your name gets entered into a police report that becomes searchable through google. There are long term repercussions for giving in to an unlawful demand. That searchable police report would easily be found by a potential employer who could decide you aren't worth the risk to hire.
You sir, are my new hero. What people don't understand is that tyranny has to start somewhere and if they could unlawfully bully you to give your name, than it goes to the next level and so on. They are so used to encountering ignorant Americans that when they find someone like yourself, they have to resort to repetition in hopes that the third time will somehow accomplish the agenda. You are the opposite of why this country is the way it is today. Well educated, well handled... WELL DONE!
Good job! Always remember that cops are not interested in protecting or honoring your rights. As far as they are concerned civilians are just cattle with only the rights they allow.
I was visiting OOB from Kentucky and was pulled over by a tool on a bicycle it was not fun trying to explain to him why I had no state inspection sticker on my car as simply as I could we dont have an inspection law in KY therefore I am not required to have on in Maine a a visitor, then he saw the gun cases in the back of the suburban it took 45 minutes to get a supervisor there to explain to the bike cops who by the by are summer volunteers and Jr. Police officers in training! the laws of int
The only stupid thing you asked the police was...... have you ever seen a person open carrying and committing a crime...EVER..... Dude.... you were looking at 2 people open carrying and committing a crime.... The cops you were talking to....
@arnoldstwin36 That's not how the law works. You are the idiot. In order for an officer to detain someone, they must have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. Merely suspicious activity is not enough. It must be suspicion of a CRIME. That means that they must have reason to believe that the person detained has broken a statute.
I've been doing this job a while there cubscout so i'm well aware of the law and how it works. You asked the officers what the statute was for "suspicious activity"...i said, there is no statute for that. Suspicious activity encompasses numerous different kinds of abnormal activities (not always illegal) and it is categorized that way moreorless for dispatching and statistical purposes. It's the officers job to decipher if the activity is illegal once on scene.
@arnoldstwin36 Yes it is their job to determine if the activity is illegal. Their job is to arrest people or issue summons or write tickets. Their job is to enforce the law. Not to harass someone who has done nothing to lead them to believe a law is being broken. Suspicious activity means that they are suspicious of something. What are they suspicious of. I could be suspicious that you've eaten a hot dog for dinner. That doesn't give me reason to detain you. You must have suspicion of a crime!
And since youre such a law expert, tell me why you feel your 5th amendment right was violated when the officers asked if you were from Maine? General questions such as name, DOB, address, SOC, etc. are not considered unlawful or unconstitutional when the right to remain silent or to an attorney has been invoked. Also, Police officers do not have to honor that request if there is no custodial interrogation of a criminal matter. Need to work on your law interpretation.
@arnoldstwin36 "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law" Detaining someone without cause is depriving a person of their liberty. Doing so without reasonable suspicion as the law requires is depriving it without due process.
@arnoldstwin36 If they thought I was under 18, they would have said so. I was 25. 7 years older than the law requires. The fact that the officers never questioned my age is proof that they had no reason to believe I was under age.
I never once suggested that you appearing under 18 was the reason you were detained in this incident. I'm saying that youre age appearance would have been a reasonable fact to detain you in general. You're very quick to assume.
@arnoldstwin36 Not unless they had a reason to believe I was under 18. I don't look under 18. The fact that they did not suspect I was under 18 shows that I didn't look under 18. My age was never in question. Again, it's up to the officer making the stop to have a reason why they are making the stop. They can't make that reason up after the fact. They must have a reason BEFORE making the stop. These officers did NOT suspect that I was under age. Therefore that cannot be the reason for the stop.
Handled yourself exceptionally well, I'd say. Only thing that irked me was at 4:15 when you said "I don't know why you continue to ask me questions after I asked for an attorney." Asking for an attorney doesn't prohibit officers from asking you more questions; all it does is put you on record as having asked for one. If anything, it's puzzling why you invoked your right to remain silent, but then continued talking.
@boyscout399 Went and looked it up, and turns out you're right. Chalk up yet another thing my law professor told me that isn't true. Christ, why does he have tenure?
@Armace47 Haha. It's amazing how little people know about a subject when it's supposedly their profession. At one of the city meetings I went to a lawyer got up and started misquoting statutes left and right to the city councilors who took him at his word just because he was a lawyer, even though everything he said was not factually accurate.
Yes, open carry is legal in many states however if you honestly think some of the general pubic won't be frightened then you need to get your head checked. Before people start bashing me as a firearm hater, I hold a CCDW license and own many firearms, also a lifetime member with the NRA. Now back to my previous statement, you may be the best person in the world but simply put, firearms scare some people, the medias' fault, not yours. Because we all know firearms dont kill, people do.
@danxse I don't care if people are scared. There are plenty of people who are scared of rediculous things. It's the cops job to sort out which are due to lawlessness and which are someone's phobia. Just because someone is scared of guns doesn't mean they can harass and detain without cause anyone wearing a firearm. Some people are deathly afraid of black people. That doesn't mean they can detain and demand ID from every black person they see.
From one lawful carrier to another. Knowing your rights and being an asshole about them are two completely different things. If they police offer asked for a license to carry or an ID to identify that you are legally allowed to carry and you say no, you are giving them reason to believe that you are committing a crime.
Its the same as a breathalyzer. If you deny to take one (while it is your right), you are giving them a reason to detain you under suspicion.
@minniman42 Wrong. The suspicion can't come as a result of the refusal. They must have the suspicion before they make the detainment. Exercising a right cannot be used to justify suspicion and detainment.
@minniman42 We have to be willing to stand up for our rights simply because they are our rights. If get into the mindset of "If I don't have anything to hide then I'll tell the cops anything", our rights will slowly but surely be taken away.
This video drives home a lot of things. I have a CCW and live in Ohio where open carry is legal but I am so nervous about being harassed like this if I open carry you are a more brave man than I but after watching all these videos I might just man up and exercise my rights. Any advice to give from those in Ohio?
Good video. I always enjoy seeing the police get a hard time by someone who knows their rights and speaks to them calmly. It's hilarious to see the police not know what to do. Unfortunately the next time something like this happens to that cop, he's just going to lie and say you resemble someone in the neighborhood that was seen vandalizing cars, or breaking into houses or something like that.
Ah the old "investigating suspicious activity" ploy. The only suspicious activity here is the cops unwillingness to specify what the "suspicious activity" they were investigating was.
Then again, I would have asked the cops what suspicious activity I had been accused of. Obviously it was carrying a weapon in plain sight in public.
@boyscout399 i dont think you get what i mean, you give them your name as your carrying something that could kill anyone at anytime and they check your name and your on your way in no time, thats like me carrying a illegal gun with no permit and what your doing is helping criminals and people without permits carrying guns knowing they can refuse there name
@beamprimary A pencil could kill someone at any time as well. A shovel could kill someone at any time. So could a car. But they can't stop you while you're driving for no reason and demand ID either. They need a reason to believe you're dangerous. A reason to believe that you're breaking the law. They can't just stop random people for no reason whatsoever. Carrying a gun where it's legal and acceptable to do so is not reason to stop someone.
@boyscout399 im sorry your very polite, but i dont agree, if your rural i would agree but not in the city, in rural areas i would say people should carry gun in hand and have them loaded, in a city no the goverment should give more ccw permints, then the police havent got to waste time with people being difficult refusing to give there name, i was walking my dogs and the police stopped me to check my car all was ok they were gone within 3 minutes, i have nothing to hide and am rewarded
@beamprimary That's not how the law works in our country. There are not exceptions that allow police intrusion based on population density. They are not allowed to intrude into our lives unless they have a reasonable suspicion that there is criminal activity.
@boyscout399 im still not convinced, it just seems you enjoy being difficult, keep it up and they may remove right to carry in your state, having the right to do something can always be reversed, just try one day showing your id and maybe a nice straight forward day may happen
First off I am for people having a right to carry but why give cops a hard time when they just ask who you are or what you're up to? Just tell them who you are, They'll check it all out and you're on your way. You wouldn't believe all the bullshit police face, I know of someone that will call the police just because someone she don't know is driving down her street or she sees a vehicle in the neighborhood she don't recognize, They finally quit coming to her every call.
@PolizeiPaul They didn't ask. They didn't initiate a consensual encounter. They detained and demanded. They showed me no respect so they got none in return.
@boyscout399: I see, You're lucky you have a carry law there though, In my state it has to be locked up,unloaded,and the bullets in a seperate case as well. People is trying to change this but it's gonna be hard.
@PolizeiPaul It's not about giving officers a hard time, it's about knowing your lawful rights and making sure they stay yours. He makes a good point by inquiring whether the officers have ever heard of a criminal openly carrying or not. Not only that but they also denied him an attorney and continued asking questions even though he requested to invoke his right to remain silent. The officers clearly didn't know what to do and their job requires that they do at all times.
Don't you need to be of a certain age to possess a handgun? If that's one of you in the picture, you both look really young (under 21). I wouldn't even sell you tobacco without carding you. I'm all for gun rights, but c'mon. Just a question. Hope you answer, because this is confusing to me. Maybe the cops thought you weren't of age.
@Mr13born79 You need to be 18. I was 25. If the police thought I was too young, they should have said, "You look like you're under 18 and therefore breaking the law." The fact that they never mentioned age proves that they had no suspicion I was under age.
Well Done Sir, you have my utmost respect! That was awesome, exactly the way it is supposed to be handled! Thank you sir for PROTECTING our Constitutional rights. I am in Louisiana, and will very shortly be purchasing a new holster. I have been doing all my research and this state is open carry friendly as well. I just moved here and will treat any situation just as you handled it!!! Am I free to go? "No" Then am i under arrest? "No" Then am i free to go? Gotta know how the game is played!!!
@boyscout399 understood, i think you did handle yourself well for sure, good to see people out there standing up for there rights, I just wish the police would get a grip on reality and realize they work for us, and there sense of self importance would fade a bit, were all americans, trying to live our lives as safely as possible, wonder why they dont realize that...
@ultramegabob2 What else could they do? I talked with the police chief and he agreed that his officers were in the wrong. The entire department got retraining in detainment and constitutional law.
@Justin28082 This didn't take place in California. It was in Maine. There is no open carry permit. You are not required to show a permit that doesn't exist. That can't be a reason for stopping someone.
@boyscout399 Good to know. I was just wondering. Nice job. Harassment shouldn't be allowed. Protection to law abiding citizens should. I had an officer flip on me for a pocket knife that I failed to show. The knife didn't even lock To the cops that do not agree: Trying explaining to the crowd that is scared of guns for an hour about how "The bad guys" do not open carry! Explain how someone who is carrying may one day save his/her life if ever an officer is not present and action is required.
Right on brother! carry on!
bhouck1000 8 hours ago
Open carry shouldn't be legal in any state. Concealed carry is perfectly fine however. Open carry makes people uneasy.
Socomnick 10 hours ago
@Socomnick Concealed carry has several disadvantages to open carry. It is less comfortable and requires carrying a smaller less powerful firearm. It offers no deterrent to a criminal. It is slower to access when needed. It is more prone to accidental injury. It usually requires an expensive permit. Butterflies makes some people uneasy too, they shouldn't be outlawed.
boyscout399 9 hours ago
@boyscout399 Deterrent my ass can you spell TARGET LOL
Siguror6 8 hours ago
@Siguror6 Doesn't happen. I am aware of ONE story in the history of open carry in this country where the OCer was targeted. I can think of at least THREE reported news stories in the last 10 years where open carry deterred a criminal act. There are countless other times when showing a firearm deterred a criminal from committing their act. Usually shots aren't needed, the criminal flees at the sight of a lawfully used firearm.
boyscout399 7 hours ago
@Socomnick
People need to understand, I'm pretty sure no criminal open carries.
xCohta 7 hours ago
@boyscout399 Very good job! Our Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms. Doesn't mater if you like it or if it scares you. It is not a crime and the cops DO NOT have the right to detain you for exercising your rights and we are NOT required to show ID for exercising our rights. Period. End of story.
MrExNavy 14 hours ago
ummm, im suspicious he doesn't have a permit. thus being why he is doing this.
Altho i do NOT know Laws in main.
Just my thoughts
IPIxGh0sTxIGI 14 hours ago
@IPIxGh0sTxIGI No permit required to open carry in Maine.
boyscout399 13 hours ago
The person carrying the gun does need to give the police their ID. There is no proof that this person is legally carrying the gun.
TheRebelEye 15 hours ago
@TheRebelEye In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. You need reasonable suspicion that they are committing a crime before you can detain them. You need suspicion that they are illegally carrying the gun, otherwise you have to assume they are carrying it legally.
boyscout399 13 hours ago
HOLY SHIT THIS WAS IN MAINE! I LIVE IN MAINE!
mousekaboom11 17 hours ago
From my understanding, you only need reasonable suspicion to ask for ID. The definition of R.S. is that someone HAS, IS, or MAY commit(ing) a crime. Having a Weapon (open carry) CAN SOMETIMES be interpreted as R.S. I personally agree with you that they shouldn't be questioning you, but, at least help them out, they cant just walk away from a call my dude...
VaBeachKev 1 day ago
@VaBeachKev DeBerry v US says that a firearm where legal to carry does not give rise to reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. You're wrong.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@boyscout399 "CAN SOMETIMES be interpreted as R.S. I personally agree with you that they shouldn't be questioning you" -- did you read what i said??
VaBeachKev 1 day ago
@VaBeachKev Not legally it cannot. Carrying a firearm where legal to do so CANNOT be construed to be Reasonable Suspicion of crime.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@boyscout399 Once again, I said interpreted, one's interpretation can differ, yes their interpretation may be wrong, but police officers are human too..
VaBeachKev 1 day ago
@VaBeachKev The law has been interpreted by a federal judge. It's settled law now. Police (executive branch of government) do not interpret the law. That is for the Judicial branch. Executive Branch enforces the law.
boyscout399 1 day ago
but if he just gave him his id then it would have been over....
D2jspkid 1 day ago
@D2jspkid Over in the short term, but would you like your name in a police report that is google searchable and could come back and haunt you at your next job interview?
boyscout399 1 day ago
@boyscout399 Its not reportable if there is no offence... its just a KDT/Dispatch Query for NCIC...
VaBeachKev 1 day ago
@VaBeachKev It ends up in a police report. All police activity is put into a police log. This log is published by our local newspaper every week as a pdf file. This event was in the log and instead of listing my name it said "unidentified male." Every other event in the log had the person's name in it, regardless of whether the person was cited or not.
boyscout399 1 day ago
GTFO of the U.S.A. if you don't understand why people fought for our right to bear arms...Your not an American.
XbotSlayer 1 day ago
this kid is a boss evryone should open carry to show our rights as a people
ThE420DbOY 1 day ago
THIS is how you stand up to the police.
scradduck 1 day ago
When people see you they think...are they crazy? did they came here to the beach to start a killing spree?
xxxxvalentinxxxx 1 day ago
@xxxxvalentinxxxx No they don't think that at all. The majority of people are supportive and will come up and ask questions and are friendly. Very few people think negatively when they see me carrying.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@boyscout399 Why not just conceal carry? It would put people at ease,belive me that not anybody is ok with this,if you where to come in to a diner or something,I would take the safety off of my gun,and besides..if somebody walks in with a gun to rob a place,you will be the first they shoot,you are doing this just so that people respect you because they see the gun,and you are trying to make police officers look foolish for doing they're jobs.
xxxxvalentinxxxx 1 day ago
@xxxxvalentinxxxx Open carry is more comfortable. Also open carry deters a criminal. This is proven. Show me a time when an open carrying citizen was targeted first. It never has happened. A criminal will case the place, see you, and choose another place. If they rob spontaneously, they won't even notice the gun because their focus will be on the prize, the register. You can see videos of robbers not even noticing a cop in a convenience store when they come to rob it. They aren't paying attn.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@xxxxvalentinxxxx The officers were not doing their jobs. They were breaking the law. They were reprimanded and retrained by their chief. If they were doing their job, the chief would have commended them.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@xxxxvalentinxxxx You need more firearms training if you're going around town flicking your safety on and off on your gun willy nilly when there isn't any threat to you. Sweep the safety off during the draw stroke or press out if you're carrying a gun with a safety. Have you ever seen a police officer flick their safety on or off while in the holster? You're dangerous.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@xxxxvalentinxxxx Carrying a concealed weapon is illegal.No one is trying to make the cops look foolish but they aren't doing their job properly. Read your amendments 2 and 4. It's our right to walk around with a gun if we want to, period.End of arguement.
sabala85 1 day ago
LOL just cause Maine says you can still pretend its the wild west doesn't mean you should. kids go crazy and shoot people all the time. These kids are fucking retarded ! Legal or not I know I would be uncomfortable if 2 nerdy columbine looking kids walked onto a public beach packing a couple of 45,s lol !
SuperTurbo1200 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Kids don't go crazy and shoot people "All the time" There are 200 million+ guns in this country and there have been a handful of mass shootings in the last 30 years. There are 76 million youth in the country currently and there are very few mass shootings. Statistically if there are 10 mass shootings by youths this year that's 1 in 7.6 million youths will be involved in a shooting.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Guns are used in America 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crime. Yet there are only 30,000 deaths per year due to firearms and half of those are suicides. Guns are not the plague you think they are.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Carrying a modern reliable self defense handgun in a modern retention holster while wearing modern fashionable clothing is not "pretending it's the wild west" I wasn't wearing cowboy boots, hat, and a low slung six shooter.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@boyscout399 Y do you need a Gun on you at all times ??? Explain ??
SuperTurbo1200 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 I am prepared. Just in case. Why do you wear a seatbelt? Why do you have a fire extinguisher? You don't want to get into a car accident, but if you do, you're ready for it. I started carrying 4 years ago after watching the local news and seeing night after night there was at least one robbery or assault or some form of violent crime almost every day in Maine. I decided that if that happened to me I didn't want to be a helpless victim.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 You cannot predict when violent crime will happen. If you carry 50% of the time, then you are giving a criminal 50% better opportunity to choose you as a victim. I choose to carry 100% of the time to make myself a lower opportunity for a criminal. The criminal chooses the time and place of your assault. If I knew ahead of time that today I was going to get assaulted and tomorrow I wouldn't, then perhaps my carry habits would change, but you can never know that.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@boyscout399 Well I guess I got no argument with wanting to protect yourself. I have lots of guns and I to would rather have one and not need it then need one and not have it. I just don't carry them on me. I still think you are way over the top and your just being paranoid. You must live in a poor nehborhood or something. Up here Canada robbery is very rare.
SuperTurbo1200 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Robbery rates may be slightly rarer in Canada, but you have a fairly high rate of sexual assaults. Remember, robbery is only one form of violent crime. Preparedness does not equal paranoia. I don't worry about being a victim. I don't think on any given day that I will be a victim today. I am just prepared for it if it eventually occurs.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@boyscout399 If I was going to rape you I would sneak up on you and take your gun and maybe us it against you after I repeatedly ass raped you.... in the ass ! Im 6,3 228 and I work out a fair bit you having a gun would absolutely not make any difference if I choose to commit a crime against you. Although I will agree it may deture me to pic someone with out a gun strapped to them. Point is again I think your a highly paranoid person to think you need a loaded weapon on you at all times !
SuperTurbo1200 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Preparedness is not paranoia. Also, the gun is an equalizer. My gun can easily kill a 6'3" 228lb person. My gun is in a retention holster so when you tried to grab it and it didn't come out you'd be in for a bit of a surprise. My situational awareness would pick up on you targeting me long before you came into range for a gun grab anyway. How many armed people do you hear about getting raped? How many defenseless people?
boyscout399 1 day ago
@SuperTurbo1200 When an armed woman gets attacked by a rapist, the news story is about a dead rapist, not a raped woman.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@SuperTurbo1200 Your likelihood of being a victim on a given day is statistically very small. But when you add those days up over your entire life, 1 in 5 people will be a victim of violent crime. That's 20% of the population will be a victim of violent crime. That means the likelihood that at some point in my life I will witness a violent crime or be a victim of violent crime is quite high. I would rather face that risk with a gun on my hip than without one.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@SuperTurbo1200 So if you carry for one day out of your life, you probably won't need it that day. If you carry every day for your whole life, you will probably need it on at least one occasion and that's reason enough for me to never go anywhere without it.
boyscout399 2 days ago
Just because you CAN do something - doesn't mean that you SHOULD do something.
SALESPRODUCTIONS 2 days ago
@SALESPRODUCTIONS You SHOULD NEVER give your information to the police unless required by law
boyscout399 2 days ago
you pretty much did an amazing job handling the situation.
gowill2 2 days ago
He's a trouble maker like our Founding Fathers. We never needed a revolution. Canada never rebelled against the Crown and they're as free as we are.
GohModley 2 days ago
@GohModley Canada didn't declare independence from Britain until 1931 and didn't achieve full independence until 1945. Are you suggesting that the US should have stayed under British control and taxation without representation for 200 years longer than we did? How do you suppose we would have been allowed to separate from British rule? Don't you think perhaps Canada was allowed to separate from British rule BECAUSE of America's war for freedom? They wouldn't be free if we didn't set precedent.
boyscout399 2 days ago 2
im gonna have to agree with the woman and im pretty sure you have to have that ID with you when you carry that gun. you're being a smart ass sir
MYBIOHAZARD 2 days ago
@MYBIOHAZARD You're gonna have to be wrong then. You don't need any form of ID to open carry a firearm in Maine.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@boyscout399 There's a fine line between standing up for your rights and being an ass. There's also a fine line between refusing consent and refusing to comply. You're flirting with refusing to comply, which IS a detainable offense.
ERAUsnow 2 days ago
@ERAUsnow Refusing to comply with an unlawful order is not a detainable offense
boyscout399 2 days ago
@MYBIOHAZARD If open carry is legal, then carrying openly does not require one to prove that they are doing so legally.
Citizens are only required to identify themselves when they are being detained/arrested/issued a citation, because a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
Doing something that is legal (such as open carry in Maine) is not by itself grounds for reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
silvermediastudio 2 days ago
@MYBIOHAZARD Consider this: a neighbor doesn't like you and calls police, says you are playing loud music and selling drugs. The police are dispatched to your house, but while walking up hear no music, see no evidence of drugs or drug sales, basically see no evidence of anything the "concerned neighbor" has claimed. It would then be illegal for the police to search or detain you. A concerned person's call alone is not sufficient to infringe on your rights, as it should be.
silvermediastudio 2 days ago
If this is true then why are police responding to a complaint that some one is doing something that is legal. That would be like me calling the police and saying my someone is driving there car.
Pooshooter5k 2 days ago
If you periodically stop people for random road checks and that is the practice on a regular basis then it's permissible to stop these guys. Open carry is not bright, an armed felon will shoot you first then finish the crime.
Siguror6 2 days ago
@Siguror6 Wrong. You can't periodically stop random people. Delaware v Prouse. Police can make a road block and stop everyone. They can also stop every other or every third car. But they can't single people out at random. There has to be a pattern.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@boyscout399 Read the news, they've already done away with the 4th amendment. They can arrest and search you anywhere, anytime. The only thing we HAVE to protest is open carry. I was just denied my CWP for NO reason. It's a changing world out there. The only thing I CAN do to protest is OPEN CARRY. Check National Defense Agency and the NEW Patriot act. It goes even FARTHER... And I voted FOR OBAMA like a dumb shit.....
jdseams 2 days ago
@jdseams They cannot arrest you and search you anywhere anytime. The NDAA allows them to detain you IF they have probable cause to believe you are closely connected with international terrorism.
boyscout399 2 days ago
ignorance of the law, cops do it every day. im not saying that all cops are bad i have very close family friends that are police officer, and many of them at that. but they agree officers like these give them a bad wrap
khmaiaznboi89 3 days ago
good job
smokine2001 3 days ago
AWESOM VID!!! THANX FOR STANDING UP FOR ALL OF OUR RIGHTS!!!
princessvaladez 4 days ago
so what happened you sew?
slcslobalt 4 days ago
@slcslobalt I don't like lawsuits. I wrote a complaint and talked with the Chief of Police. He agreed to retrain the entire department in requirements for initiating a legal detainment, how to handle requests for a lawyer, and the legality of carrying firearms openly.
boyscout399 4 days ago 3
@boyscout399 congrats man
msmittyblazin 3 days ago
You handled that like a boss!!!
skinnydog131 4 days ago
I really dont think this is real. This could be a few friends reading lines.
slinginghotlead 4 days ago
@slinginghotlead It is real. The officers are officer Ruesseau and Caywood of the Biddeford PD. This was not staged in any way.
boyscout399 4 days ago
@slinginghotlead No way, unless those friends are professional actors.
tuber12321 3 days ago
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loomis022 4 days ago
I started to click "dislike" only because I felt you were making the Officer's day more difficult. However, Your right. That is how it starts. Little by little our freedoms are being eroded. One more thing, name a felon or a law breaker who is going to carry openly. Not likely. I still wish there could be another way to get our point across with out making it difficult for our Men and woman who risk their lives for us everyday.
Macjac0323 4 days ago 11
@Macjac0323 My opinion is that there are plenty of good cops who deserve respect and admiration. Then there are those who blatantly disregard law and invade our rights. Those are bad cops and they are dangerous to our society and must be stopped. This event would not have happened with a good cop because the cop would have followed the law instead of ignoring it.
boyscout399 4 days ago 11
@boyscout399 3% are good.. because the bad ones get the good ones fired since they dont agree with how the others operate...
NightriderX2 2 days ago
@NightriderX2 I fully disagree. Perhaps in some departments there is a high amount of bad cops, but most departments I've had interactions with it's more like 95% good to 5% bad cops.
boyscout399 1 day ago
@Macjac0323 Action such as this does not make it difficult for the good cops who are law abiding. It only makes it difficult for those cops who are trying to erode the rights granted under the constitution that they've sworn to uphold.
boyscout399 4 days ago
Carry a gun is not considered a crime nor does it give reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. I wish people who post would know and understand the law and their rights and what freedom is.
Steveindajeep 4 days ago
It doesn't really matter whether this guy who was invoking his right to openly carry a gun was correct in his argument with these police officers. He was just giving the officers a difficult time. The issue could have been resolved in approximately 60 seconds if he would have stated his name, shown his identification, and explained to the officers that he has an open carry license(or however he has his right to open carry, license or not).
whwdc 4 days ago
@whwdc If you give in to an unlawful demand for identification then your name gets entered into a police report that becomes searchable through google. There are long term repercussions for giving in to an unlawful demand. That searchable police report would easily be found by a potential employer who could decide you aren't worth the risk to hire.
boyscout399 4 days ago
@boyscout399 Good advise
TheDouglebutt 4 days ago
The cops should explain to the citizens making the complaint that it's not a crime to carry a gun. Everything is so backwards nowadays.
jamezbond78 4 days ago
so BASICALLLLLLLLLLY, this video (well, audio file) just proves that cops love to just make shit up and do whatever they want, period.
DODPHOTOGRAPHY 4 days ago 3
You sir, are my new hero. What people don't understand is that tyranny has to start somewhere and if they could unlawfully bully you to give your name, than it goes to the next level and so on. They are so used to encountering ignorant Americans that when they find someone like yourself, they have to resort to repetition in hopes that the third time will somehow accomplish the agenda. You are the opposite of why this country is the way it is today. Well educated, well handled... WELL DONE!
MindBeyondAverage 5 days ago
What kinda gun was it?
TehObamaLazor 5 days ago
@TehObamaLazor I believe I had my glock 19 that day.
boyscout399 4 days ago
Good job! Always remember that cops are not interested in protecting or honoring your rights. As far as they are concerned civilians are just cattle with only the rights they allow.
harleyxxfabco 5 days ago
Apparently they gave the CO the information about the statue they quoted and he verified it letting them go! Great job boyscout399!
MrBassicLogic 5 days ago
Great job owning these cops with something as simple as THE LAW! Bravo bud.
EV1LDC4Teggy 5 days ago
I was visiting OOB from Kentucky and was pulled over by a tool on a bicycle it was not fun trying to explain to him why I had no state inspection sticker on my car as simply as I could we dont have an inspection law in KY therefore I am not required to have on in Maine a a visitor, then he saw the gun cases in the back of the suburban it took 45 minutes to get a supervisor there to explain to the bike cops who by the by are summer volunteers and Jr. Police officers in training! the laws of int
kmj1966blues 6 days ago
The only stupid thing you asked the police was...... have you ever seen a person open carrying and committing a crime...EVER..... Dude.... you were looking at 2 people open carrying and committing a crime.... The cops you were talking to....
mustardgaslog 1 week ago
@mustardgaslog You're right. didn't think about that.
boyscout399 1 week ago
Excellent audio!!! Wish there was a video!!!! When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns!!!
leftoversxo 1 week ago
Biddeford P.D.?
Shouldn't they be apprehending illegal aliens instead of questioning U.S. Citizens for excercising their 2 nd amendment rights?
Do they question you when you excercise your right to vote?
popeye1250 1 week ago
you kids are idiots, suspicious activity could mean lots of different things. There is no statute
arnoldstwin36 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 That's not how the law works. You are the idiot. In order for an officer to detain someone, they must have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. Merely suspicious activity is not enough. It must be suspicion of a CRIME. That means that they must have reason to believe that the person detained has broken a statute.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399
I've been doing this job a while there cubscout so i'm well aware of the law and how it works. You asked the officers what the statute was for "suspicious activity"...i said, there is no statute for that. Suspicious activity encompasses numerous different kinds of abnormal activities (not always illegal) and it is categorized that way moreorless for dispatching and statistical purposes. It's the officers job to decipher if the activity is illegal once on scene.
arnoldstwin36 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 Yes it is their job to determine if the activity is illegal. Their job is to arrest people or issue summons or write tickets. Their job is to enforce the law. Not to harass someone who has done nothing to lead them to believe a law is being broken. Suspicious activity means that they are suspicious of something. What are they suspicious of. I could be suspicious that you've eaten a hot dog for dinner. That doesn't give me reason to detain you. You must have suspicion of a crime!
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399
And since youre such a law expert, tell me why you feel your 5th amendment right was violated when the officers asked if you were from Maine? General questions such as name, DOB, address, SOC, etc. are not considered unlawful or unconstitutional when the right to remain silent or to an attorney has been invoked. Also, Police officers do not have to honor that request if there is no custodial interrogation of a criminal matter. Need to work on your law interpretation.
arnoldstwin36 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law" Detaining someone without cause is depriving a person of their liberty. Doing so without reasonable suspicion as the law requires is depriving it without due process.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 Jesus. Some of you people are so willing to relinquish your rights as citizens.
Beastb15 1 week ago
they look under 18 years old to me....reasonable suspicion for detaining right there.
arnoldstwin36 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 If they thought I was under 18, they would have said so. I was 25. 7 years older than the law requires. The fact that the officers never questioned my age is proof that they had no reason to believe I was under age.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399
I never once suggested that you appearing under 18 was the reason you were detained in this incident. I'm saying that youre age appearance would have been a reasonable fact to detain you in general. You're very quick to assume.
arnoldstwin36 1 week ago
@arnoldstwin36 Not unless they had a reason to believe I was under 18. I don't look under 18. The fact that they did not suspect I was under 18 shows that I didn't look under 18. My age was never in question. Again, it's up to the officer making the stop to have a reason why they are making the stop. They can't make that reason up after the fact. They must have a reason BEFORE making the stop. These officers did NOT suspect that I was under age. Therefore that cannot be the reason for the stop.
boyscout399 1 week ago
Handled yourself exceptionally well, I'd say. Only thing that irked me was at 4:15 when you said "I don't know why you continue to ask me questions after I asked for an attorney." Asking for an attorney doesn't prohibit officers from asking you more questions; all it does is put you on record as having asked for one. If anything, it's puzzling why you invoked your right to remain silent, but then continued talking.
Armace47 1 week ago
@Armace47 Actually, Once you ask for your attorney, all questioning must stop until that attorney is present.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 Went and looked it up, and turns out you're right. Chalk up yet another thing my law professor told me that isn't true. Christ, why does he have tenure?
Armace47 2 days ago
@Armace47 Haha. It's amazing how little people know about a subject when it's supposedly their profession. At one of the city meetings I went to a lawyer got up and started misquoting statutes left and right to the city councilors who took him at his word just because he was a lawyer, even though everything he said was not factually accurate.
boyscout399 2 days ago
@Armace47 Tenure means he doesn't have to be right anymore. They can't get rid of him, so what incentive does he have to be a good teacher anymore.
boyscout399 2 days ago
Yes, open carry is legal in many states however if you honestly think some of the general pubic won't be frightened then you need to get your head checked. Before people start bashing me as a firearm hater, I hold a CCDW license and own many firearms, also a lifetime member with the NRA. Now back to my previous statement, you may be the best person in the world but simply put, firearms scare some people, the medias' fault, not yours. Because we all know firearms dont kill, people do.
danxse 1 week ago
@danxse I don't care if people are scared. There are plenty of people who are scared of rediculous things. It's the cops job to sort out which are due to lawlessness and which are someone's phobia. Just because someone is scared of guns doesn't mean they can harass and detain without cause anyone wearing a firearm. Some people are deathly afraid of black people. That doesn't mean they can detain and demand ID from every black person they see.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@danxse ya but bombs kill people
AfrikaaBombeetza 1 week ago
What happened at the end? Did they just stand there while you walked away?
Eucalyptusmusic 1 week ago
@Eucalyptusmusic yup
boyscout399 1 week ago
it kind of sucks that you didnt video and audio record this and upload it instead of uploading only audio and having a picture to look at.
13FravelJ 1 week ago
@13FravelJ I didn't have a video recorder at the time. If another occurrence happens I will get video
boyscout399 1 week ago
In my experience these "open carry" people are total tools.
crm214 1 week ago
@crm214 Why would you search out and watch a 12 minute video of an activity you have no interest in? Sounds like you're the tool
boyscout399 1 week ago 3
@crm214 fortunately your opinion stays in the realm of youtube comment columns. and is irrelevant.
revrinred 1 week ago
From one lawful carrier to another. Knowing your rights and being an asshole about them are two completely different things. If they police offer asked for a license to carry or an ID to identify that you are legally allowed to carry and you say no, you are giving them reason to believe that you are committing a crime.
Its the same as a breathalyzer. If you deny to take one (while it is your right), you are giving them a reason to detain you under suspicion.
minniman42 1 week ago 3
@minniman42 Wrong. The suspicion can't come as a result of the refusal. They must have the suspicion before they make the detainment. Exercising a right cannot be used to justify suspicion and detainment.
boyscout399 1 week ago 6
@minniman42 Boyscout399 answered the question correctly and with maturity. I'm just here to add in that you're an idiot.
orien2121 1 week ago 2
@minniman42 We have to be willing to stand up for our rights simply because they are our rights. If get into the mindset of "If I don't have anything to hide then I'll tell the cops anything", our rights will slowly but surely be taken away.
dramaeco 1 week ago 3
@minniman42 ... Wow. So, since you are exercising your 1st Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech, I find you to be suspicious...
... or should I just call you "Mr. Sheep?"
Huntington12345678 1 week ago
@minniman42 i hate you
beavisisgood87 6 days ago
This video drives home a lot of things. I have a CCW and live in Ohio where open carry is legal but I am so nervous about being harassed like this if I open carry you are a more brave man than I but after watching all these videos I might just man up and exercise my rights. Any advice to give from those in Ohio?
brandonjpj1 1 week ago
You are lucky that its biddeford instead of oob, in the picture. Bike cops are super fun to deal with.
DJSpiderwebz 1 week ago
@DJSpiderwebz I have dealt with the bike cops of OOB as well. They don't bother me any more. OOB is now open carry friendly.
boyscout399 1 week ago
I remember my first class in law school....
0gluttony0 1 week ago
Good video. I always enjoy seeing the police get a hard time by someone who knows their rights and speaks to them calmly. It's hilarious to see the police not know what to do. Unfortunately the next time something like this happens to that cop, he's just going to lie and say you resemble someone in the neighborhood that was seen vandalizing cars, or breaking into houses or something like that.
sonsofmosiah 1 week ago
Ah the old "investigating suspicious activity" ploy. The only suspicious activity here is the cops unwillingness to specify what the "suspicious activity" they were investigating was.
Then again, I would have asked the cops what suspicious activity I had been accused of. Obviously it was carrying a weapon in plain sight in public.
Dem0D1ck 1 week ago
SO YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE YOUR NAME BUT YOUR FACE IS ON YOUTUBE ? EVERYONE WHO SEES THIS KNOWS YOU HAVE A GUN BEFORE EVEN SEEING IT
beamprimary 1 week ago
@beamprimary I'm not hiding the gun. I'm hiding my name. They will know I have the gun from the obviously large gun on my hip.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 i dont think you get what i mean, you give them your name as your carrying something that could kill anyone at anytime and they check your name and your on your way in no time, thats like me carrying a illegal gun with no permit and what your doing is helping criminals and people without permits carrying guns knowing they can refuse there name
beamprimary 1 week ago
@beamprimary A pencil could kill someone at any time as well. A shovel could kill someone at any time. So could a car. But they can't stop you while you're driving for no reason and demand ID either. They need a reason to believe you're dangerous. A reason to believe that you're breaking the law. They can't just stop random people for no reason whatsoever. Carrying a gun where it's legal and acceptable to do so is not reason to stop someone.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 im sorry your very polite, but i dont agree, if your rural i would agree but not in the city, in rural areas i would say people should carry gun in hand and have them loaded, in a city no the goverment should give more ccw permints, then the police havent got to waste time with people being difficult refusing to give there name, i was walking my dogs and the police stopped me to check my car all was ok they were gone within 3 minutes, i have nothing to hide and am rewarded
beamprimary 1 week ago
@beamprimary That's not how the law works in our country. There are not exceptions that allow police intrusion based on population density. They are not allowed to intrude into our lives unless they have a reasonable suspicion that there is criminal activity.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 im still not convinced, it just seems you enjoy being difficult, keep it up and they may remove right to carry in your state, having the right to do something can always be reversed, just try one day showing your id and maybe a nice straight forward day may happen
beamprimary 1 week ago
@beamprimary No thanks, I prefer to maintain my rights instead of bowing to government oppression.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@beamprimary That's only if you assume that the photo is of him.
sonsofmosiah 1 week ago
i support open carry, but just show the id and then all is ok
beamprimary 1 week ago
@beamprimary No it's not. It's okay for the cops. But it's not okay for me. I don't want my name in a police report that gets posted on the internet.
boyscout399 1 week ago
i freaking love you! you know the law so well and your rights. RESPECT.
scaretoothpaste 1 week ago
First off I am for people having a right to carry but why give cops a hard time when they just ask who you are or what you're up to? Just tell them who you are, They'll check it all out and you're on your way. You wouldn't believe all the bullshit police face, I know of someone that will call the police just because someone she don't know is driving down her street or she sees a vehicle in the neighborhood she don't recognize, They finally quit coming to her every call.
PolizeiPaul 1 week ago
@PolizeiPaul They didn't ask. They didn't initiate a consensual encounter. They detained and demanded. They showed me no respect so they got none in return.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399: I see, You're lucky you have a carry law there though, In my state it has to be locked up,unloaded,and the bullets in a seperate case as well. People is trying to change this but it's gonna be hard.
PolizeiPaul 1 week ago
@PolizeiPaul What state is that?
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399: Illinois. I think we are the only state with no concealed carry law.
PolizeiPaul 1 week ago
@PolizeiPaul Ah, that is a bummer sir. But the sentiment in IL is changing and within two years I expect you'll have your CCW statute.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@PolizeiPaul It's not about giving officers a hard time, it's about knowing your lawful rights and making sure they stay yours. He makes a good point by inquiring whether the officers have ever heard of a criminal openly carrying or not. Not only that but they also denied him an attorney and continued asking questions even though he requested to invoke his right to remain silent. The officers clearly didn't know what to do and their job requires that they do at all times.
GRAWpcsucks216 1 week ago
I USUALLY DON'T ENDORSE SUCH BEHAVIOR , HOWEVER I APPLAUD THE WAY YOU HANDLED YOURSELF
spckovack 1 week ago
Don't you need to be of a certain age to possess a handgun? If that's one of you in the picture, you both look really young (under 21). I wouldn't even sell you tobacco without carding you. I'm all for gun rights, but c'mon. Just a question. Hope you answer, because this is confusing to me. Maybe the cops thought you weren't of age.
Mr13born79 1 week ago
@Mr13born79 You need to be 18. I was 25. If the police thought I was too young, they should have said, "You look like you're under 18 and therefore breaking the law." The fact that they never mentioned age proves that they had no suspicion I was under age.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 OK. That makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
Mr13born79 1 week ago
Well Done Sir, you have my utmost respect! That was awesome, exactly the way it is supposed to be handled! Thank you sir for PROTECTING our Constitutional rights. I am in Louisiana, and will very shortly be purchasing a new holster. I have been doing all my research and this state is open carry friendly as well. I just moved here and will treat any situation just as you handled it!!! Am I free to go? "No" Then am i under arrest? "No" Then am i free to go? Gotta know how the game is played!!!
ReligionIs4iDiOtS 1 week ago
Brilliant my friend
badaforumsdotnet 1 week ago
@boyscout399 understood, i think you did handle yourself well for sure, good to see people out there standing up for there rights, I just wish the police would get a grip on reality and realize they work for us, and there sense of self importance would fade a bit, were all americans, trying to live our lives as safely as possible, wonder why they dont realize that...
linestorming 1 week ago
So what was the final outcome, did you walk away? if so, did they let it drop?
ultramegabob2 1 week ago
@ultramegabob2 What else could they do? I talked with the police chief and he agreed that his officers were in the wrong. The entire department got retraining in detainment and constitutional law.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 Excellent! at least the Police Chief had some braiins....
ultramegabob2 1 week ago
his name is so im free to go?
B2sick 1 week ago
I have some questions and I do not know anything about California law so forgive me.
1. Doesn't a resident have to hold an open carry permit?
2. By law wouldn't you be required to show it if asked by law enforcement since it would be illegal to carry without one?
3. Couldn't that have been the Officer's reason if they would have said so.
Justin28082 1 week ago
@Justin28082 This didn't take place in California. It was in Maine. There is no open carry permit. You are not required to show a permit that doesn't exist. That can't be a reason for stopping someone.
boyscout399 1 week ago
@boyscout399 Good to know. I was just wondering. Nice job. Harassment shouldn't be allowed. Protection to law abiding citizens should. I had an officer flip on me for a pocket knife that I failed to show. The knife didn't even lock To the cops that do not agree: Trying explaining to the crowd that is scared of guns for an hour about how "The bad guys" do not open carry! Explain how someone who is carrying may one day save his/her life if ever an officer is not present and action is required.
Justin28082 1 week ago