Elisabeth Schwarzkopf sings Schubert: "Heidenroeslein (Hedgerose)"

[danzwoot]

@SingingShooter defloration, yes.

[dillpar]

Knick1776's criticism re: Schwartzkopf was exactly Goethe's criticism of Schubert's settings.

[RojaVivian]

Who is the singer in this vision? Really lovely!

[Boerenfox]

@RojaVivian - the singer is the grand Elizabeth Schwarzkopf

[englandcalling22]

only us Germans could make a song about rape one of our most well-known folk songs :P so comical

[LandingMach3]

we've recently researched this poem..and many are starting to say it's not about rape at all. considering the time period it was written in, it was more or less about a simple kiss, not a full on rape.

[marijke0607]

@LandingMach

It is about a rose... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ( Sigmund Freud)

[Serendip123]

@marijke0607 There's a theory that the prick of the rose thorn in this song symbolises syphilis, of which Goethe had a great fear. And poor Schubert himself contracted syphilis. Perhaps he should have taken notice of the moral of his own song!

[marijke0607]

@Serendip123 It is not my way of enjoying a song for the morals, I enjoy it for the music.

As I said, sometimes a prick is just a prick, I could not care less, otherwise.

Keep away from from unfounded explanations and just enjoy the art.

[Serendip123]

@marijke0607 Sorry if my comments upset you. This song is a little gem, and beautifully sung by Elisabeth - it's one of my facourites. I wonder whether it's Gerald Moore accompanying?

[Serendip123]

@marijke0607 Oh yes. I see now that it is Gerald Moore. He was one of the best accompanists.

[1401JSC]

@marijke0607

Fortunately Goethe was writing before Freud invented the diseases that he pretended to cure.

We are perfectly free to interpret the text if we wish, and if it magnifies the poetry and the music for our listeners.

[LandingMach3]

@marijke0607 you do not simply interpret goethe as face value.......

[silverbud]

@englandcalling22

Who said rape is meant here? And the "stechen", what is that supposed to be? A slap in the face after the crime? Did you study at a schwaebisch Schule for pupils with deficits? ;-)

[schusterlehrling]

Look out for the Helen Schneider Version from 1978.

Schaut nach der Version von Helen Scheider aus dem Jahr 1978.

[543johnson]

The tempo is a bit slow for such a jolly piece, but that's all I'm gonna say about the late great Schwarzkopf!!! Nice translation too!

[glykera]

The piece is actually not very jolly at all...

[1401JSC]

@543johnson

No tempo is indicated.

Con tenerezza is all that the score says.

[knick1776]

Umm--this is about Schwartzkopf, not about Schubert or Goethe. Both the poem and the music have a divine simplicity, the simplicity of a folksong or folk tale. Schwartzkopf seems rather to be saying "Look how beautiful my voice is. This little song is worthy of my divine singing." Well, her voice is indeed beautiful. But for me, the interpretation swamps the music. I'd rather hear Schubert's message than Schwartzkopf's.

[themfromspace]

I'm sure Schubert would have wanted performers to put their all into his music and I think that he'd be disappointed if they did any less, especially if it was in deference to his supposed authority on the work.

[knick1776]

Well, unfortunately Schubert is dead--died way to soon--and it doesn't really matter what he might have think. I am glad that Schwartzkopf put her all into the music, but I don't want to hear her all. A little too much ego comes through.

Maybe that's unfair. her "Forelle" on You Tube does not give me the same feeling You shouldn't always know that you are listening to a great artist. it should just happen, like "Heidenroslein" was always there, and the singer is just pointing it out.

[SuperZeroo]

@knick1776 I think this is a very good interpretation. Her voice is beautiful, she cannot help it. And I think she is not showing off virtuosity but rather serving the music with her exceptional capabilities. This is subtle, simple virtuosism. It fits the song really well.

[Harfe13]

Sie ist die größte Liedsängerin aller Zeiten.Einfach wunderschön. Ich habe sie noch live erlebt!!!!!

[Mercurius201]

sie erlebt jeden moment mit . wundervoll!!!