Pat Metheny - Waltz For Ruth

[whenmyguitar]

Thank you very much !

[kennywowie]

On NPR this past weekend, Pat called me an idiot. Now, that hurts! He was talking about those who called music, like the Carpenters wrote, "cheesy". Guilty as charged .But, in my defense , late in mid-life, I have been getting into Sinatra, Bacharach, Mancini, the Hollies, Turtles, Mama's and Papa's, Peter Nero,and Glen Campbell. So, though I may have once been an idiot, I am obviously smart as a whip now, appreciating great music, whence it comes.

[SuperDavidhorne]

One musical genius, and fantasies come true. Two musical genius and all universal imaginations fuse for abounding creative evolvement

[VonaCuellar]

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[FliegendeHollaender]

I hear 2/4 too.. :/

[akaikasui]

Music trolls are even scarier than the normal kind.

[babinm]

he like all guitarist sacrifices a bit of tone for close action. It's a flamenco guitar trait.

[moquelendembe]

uf que profanos. no es nada fácil tocar en vivo

[risexnoise]

un crack

[rs1373]

Pat is slightly out of tune..so what ,still sounds great!

[bungholio80]

lol this is Pat Metheny, he doesn't make mistakes. He's one of the best performers in the world. I'm not sure what mistakes everyone is talking about because I didn't hear any at all.

[Macross100]

que bueno el contrabajista ¿Quien es?

[musiconlyplease98]

me likes!

[austinhinchey]

Charlie Haden was a tractor for Pat on this song. Missing him here!

[braindeadhick]

Metheny is simply the man. There is nothing to argue about . A couple of tiny mistakes . So what? this is a difficult piece on an acoustic guitar. the guys not a robot .which I'm quite happy with .

[eikogo]

is he using Folk guitar strings?

[Btween4ever]

Absolute perfection. Always

[lanerant]

uhhm, excuse me? you can here the grenadier distinctly playing a Bb when Metheny lays down this Min/Maj7 chord, that root is the only thing that makes this voicing work, if it was a Db7 he would have a b13 in the inner voice with a 13 in the upper voice which would INDEED be a bad choice but it is not, so it all works. it;s easy to hear the ii V movement.

BTW what is you level? mine is BMus in Jazz studies and MMus in Music Theory, plus playing professionally for 20 years.

cheers.

[mintje2]

@lanerant

My levels are the same, played professionally for 30 years., teched 20 years on a conservatory......but still hear it in 2/4... hahaha

[lanerant]

@mintje2 well, not to argue too much but if you hear 6/8 time as 2/4 it doesn't necessarily mean that you are wrong but if the predominant feel within those two beats is triplets then it is inarguably in 6/8 time.

2/4 + 1 & 2 & 1 & 2 &

6/8 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 with accents on the 1 and the 4. it's a technical no-brainer!

btw, sorry about my hideous grammar in those previous posts!!!!

[kennywowie]

@lanerant I'm no music prof, but wouldn't this meter be considered a compound meter, settling in as a combination of 2/4 and 6/8? Granted, 6/8 is more predominant at times, but others, 2/4 works, too.

[lanerant]

@kennywowie hey there, yup 6/8 is a compound meter and can totally be felt either way but the predominance of the triplet within that 2-feel keeps it pretty firmly grounded in 6/8. the beauty of this meter is the ability to shift into a duple rhythm over a triplet feel, really pushes it forward! i love 3-feels!!!!

[lanerant]

and also, don't forget that you are judging his tone from a badly bit crushed, highly compressed youtube video.

and thankfully this is not a classical examination but a heartfelt live performance in front of thousands of attentive listeners who probably paid a hundred bucks each to see him.

Have you ever performed under those conditions? have you ever been paid to do more than interpret the notes on the page? and for thousands of fans, hmmm, you might slip a note or two I would guess!

[lanerant]

his decision to put the Maj 7th into a lower voice and move it chromatically to relieve the tension is hardly a mistake, your ears might not have been inclined to favour that sound, it is played purposefully and with typically full conviction!

at 3:08, what his mistake is a slightly misfretted note at the end of a big leap, after hundreds of perfectly chosen and placed notes before and after it. jeez I'm glad you don't run the jury on good performances, I have a hunch all music would suck badly.

[lanerant]

uhhmm, funny indeed...1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3- don't you hear it? I guess that's why your opinion of his technique/articulation and tone are so far off base!

A) it doesn't sound immediately like a waltz because it is composed as a 2 over 3 but the waltz is prevalent throughout!

B) Pat plays beautifully with his fingers and with as much confidence and poise as with his pick.

C) nobody gets a better tone than Pat, NOBODY!

back to the books with you mr. cholosification!

[lanerant]

this is from his days with Bill Stewart and Larry Grenadier, awesome!

Bill stewart's kit is an indication of why I love his playing so much more than Sanchez, Sanchez might as well be in Rush with all those damn drums and cymbals! too busy too noisy, Bill Stewart had his shit tight with Pat!

[w6hu]

a szokásos ku...@jó! utánozhatatlan...

[duped88]

Amazing

[Axeman2006]

I thought I knew Metheny until now.....

WOW

[alexkuple]

Genius!!

[y7u7r7i]

you can count it like four triplets... helps getting it's beat better

[Gene8492]

I agree. Watch the crowd on the We Live Here DVD, recorded in Japan. Absolute silence until he stops. Had a similar experience at a PMG concert in San Francisco when he played the We Live Here show. Absolute attention was paid by the audience. When they stopped playing, the place went wild with applause and cheers. PMG deserves attentive audiences. His performances are so full of energy and excitement. His virtuosity on guitar is just phenomenal.

[Saxation1]

listen to that crowd... silent!! why can't crowds be more attentive like that always?

[keo774]

@Saxation1 that's the italian crowd, my friend... there are just few things that makes me proud of being italian, and one of htem is the crowd that i often finnnd here in italy in jazz concerts

[eyeslikeezera]

@Saxation1 I do believe its because they're in a country where the people are smart enough to actually know and respect good music. just a thought.

[dawelsch1]

Why anyone would think this is in 4 is beyond my wildest imagination.

Brings to mind one of my favorite quotes: "Not everyone can, and some don't."

[bobvanluijt]

euh, who's on bass?

[dawelsch1]

Larry Grenadier

[ljguitar91]

who cares about whether its 4 or 3

cant you just listen to it?

[jaredkiwi88]

True,

The guys playing couldnt care less about the numbers. They just play it.

[jmillzz2]

musicians care part of being one is understanding music on a technical level as well as an emotional one

"The guys playing couldnt care less about the numbers. They just play it." Yes, but to get there you have to start by knowing song inside out, including time signature/feel.

[OLugs]

The tune is called "WALTZ for Ruth". What does that say about the meter? LOL!

[jmillzz2]

Yeah but the melody is a 4(or 2) against 3 feel, so it seems like it's in 4(or 2) and 3 at the same time.

This is a perfect example of polyrhythms at work, and is worth mentioning.

It's true that in music, the person stops thinking about what they know and channels their creativity and energy and allows their muse to take over. Technical knowhow becomes 2nd nature.

You're just channeling your inner douche right now.

[OLugs]

The tune is a waltz. He can play 4 over it, but the tune is in 3/4 regardless of what he plays over it. melodic phrasing has little to do with what meter the tune is in if you, as a player, understand what the underlying feel is. And the underlying feel is 3. Bill Evans used to do this type of stuff all the time back in the 60's. It's nothing new at all.

Why would you feel the need to make the douche comment to someone who is trying to educate people who are arguing about 3 and 4? Sheesh!

[mattjohn87]

well said, friend.

[jmillzz2]

thnx-here's another way of putting it-imagine yourself as a beginner.

You hear a song that is a waltz, but part of it feels like 4/4. You think to yourself, "hmmm, even though it's a waltz, this feels like it's in 2 different time signatures."

You are experiencing a moment of learning, stumbling onto polyrhythms.

Everyone is on different levels.

[LordMongoose13]

lol owned

[lanerant]

but of course they care about the numbers, they are not deliberating on them, but without the numbers on some level they wouldn't have a foundation out of which to expand their interpretation/improvisation.

[MrNadeeo]

I sometimes get the feeling they're both playing different parts. Especially during Pat's solo.

[mahcuz]

Exactly how I felt.

[junka22]

Pure greatness, wonderful music!

[Johnfillmore]

Ah, ha.... It become a waltz after 4mins. What ever he wants to call it is fine with me because... Pat so rules, great musician!

[Johnfillmore]

Big Mike. This piece is in 4/4 timing. There's no such thing a false feel. End of!

It's a 'special' waltz.... ;-)

[ballarin23]

A waltz in 4?

[bigmike395]

Larry Grenadier uses a dotted quarter note feel through out most of the piece giving it a false 4 feel - the tune is most certainly in 3/4.

[Beatboxbob]

Am I the only one who's noticed that this waltz is in 4/4 time?

Surely not.

[Oliverblablabla]

No it's 3/4 or 6/4...

[Beatboxbob]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Try counting three over any part of this tune. It's really in 4. It's not a complaint, mind, it's just oddly named

[Oliverblablabla]

try playing and study this piece as I did. I thought it was 4/4 at first "earing".. I've transcribed the melody and played solo alot on it etc. It's like counting triads as the bass falls in. Try it out Beatboxbob :)

[Beatboxbob]

ONE two three one TWO three one two THREE one two three

Triads are chords and entirely involved in harmony, not tuning.

Having said that I've just listened again, There's definately bits of polymetrics going on here. Could well be some threes over it.

[BrannonMcConkey]

Yeah I'm with you here. I'm counting 4's for the most part.

[dwaindolan]

who's the bassist?

[ilmelangolo]

the bass player is Larry Grenadier, from the Brad Mehldau Trio

[innerdeth]

One of the best songs ever :O Metheny rules...

i remember back in the 80´s when i teached him a few improvisation techinques... My disciple has grown!! :D

[armand1455]

le roi de la guitare.

[jasonguitar11]

his acoustic luthier is Linda Manzer out of Toronto

[Squirttheladybug]

wow new favorite artist!!!

[paynow]

As always with Pat Metheny; OUTSTANDING!!

[kasperdewaal]

also Aracelly liked it very much. "increible" she said.

[kralljazz]

bravo

[quesapa]

Genial Pat! Genial!!!

[pppbaldo]

this giutar is made by linda manzer

[1ldailey]

Some of the worlds greatest musicians!Thanks for sharing!

[taiokun]

What brand is his guitar?

ex: gibson, fender, norman, fiesta, etc.

i dont know about you guys, but im curious! XD

thanks, please reply!

[soddom0312]

doesn't matter, he could play a stagg piece of wood you could better burn than play and he'd still sound like that

pat ftw !

[Medjai411]

manzer

[philphie]

well i def. someone like pat would never use a mainstream brand, so his guitar is prob made by some prestigous obscure lutherer

[CarlOlav]

Well, he plays jazz, so naturally his guitars have to be as ugly as possible, hehe. You can't play jazz with a nice guitar. Pat rocks!

[philphie]

lol yeah have you seen his picasso guitar?

[CarlOlav]

Yes, and I'd really like one!

[philphie]

i have no idea how anyone could be able to play it man strings are like crossing over other strings some necks are really pudgy

[jasonguitar11]

ugly guitars??? have u seen his baritone? beautiful

[sachary]

I've read that Pat actually has played in concert a cheap nylon string guitar he just really liked before a the concert *or something to that effect.*

[sannoryujin]

and his electric is Ibanez custom made for him

[sodavebuz]

süper bi adam bu yaaaa

[Medjai411]

Larry Grenadier (the bassist) has the same type with Charlie Haden (the bassist, the composer of this song).

Waltz for Ruth was created for Haden's wife, Ruth Cameron. And Pat Metheny is their close friend.

Great job Metheny, Grenadier.

[harshmistress]

Civilizes crowd there. Imagine them to be footballfans...

[thorekz]

great

[Kadehr]

I don't know why ,but I luv this tune!

Thanks Metheny!!

[Carlosdamiano]

don't know why?? maybe becouse is great??!!

[handdancin]

what a nice bass solo!