My response was directed at Obasiliasfilosofos who was happy to trash my comments of 2 weeks ago but appeared to have nothing positive to offer in return. All entitled to our opinions of course. Anyway - since Haiti is only about 90 miles from Cuba still seems good comparison to me.
I happened to grab Haiti out of the air, it might have been any other free market economy island whose govt had little regard for it's inhabitants. My point is that Cuba is repeatedly being castigated for not being "free" meanwhile people there are the most highly educated and healthiest people REGARDLESS of income in that part of the world. If, in your opinion, that comparison is absurd, well I would like to see what point you are trying to make.
How come these people with the best healthcare, and high education, have one of the lowest living standards in the world?
How come these very people risk their lives to float to the USA on nothing more than old wooden doors?
Why is it when the leader (Castro) needed medical care, he sought a doctor from Spain and not his island with the highly educated and healthiest people?
Well since you fail to answer my question I will answer it for you, and these are not my statistics either, just good old facts: there are 20 years difference between life expectancy in Cuba and Haiti, and yes - people live 20 years longer, and healthier, in Cuba. Depends which one you refer to as a failed economy.
Perhaps opponents to government healthcare services would like to make a comparison between life expectancy in Cuba and life expectancy in Haiti - the latter no doubt being a shining example of private enterprise.
Mounhas, are you suggesting life expectancy should trump freedom/liberty?
I'll point out that the USA is founded on freedom, not life expectancy. If you want to maximize life expectancy, lock everyone up where they can't hurt themselves, and force feed them the healthiest food. That would minimize healthcare costs.
The point is that government running healthcare is the most egregious violation of personal liberty. They can control every aspect of our lives if they control access to care.
No, not at all, and pretty much came to an accord with propagandabuster - important to see where each other is coming from, I have had the national health service here since I was born and whilst not entirely free now it was bought into being post WW2. How would I feel now? suspicious probably. BTW I also understand the reason for the freedom to bear arms, it makes sense. Funny how chatting to people can alter opinions.
Busting the Propagandabuster. As of the year 2000 the WHO ranked Canada 30th and the US 37th for best healthcare. As of 2007 the per capita healthcare costs were $3,173 in Canada and $6,096 in the US. As of 2008, overall life expectancy was 80.34 years in Canada but only 78.06 years in the US. Also, healthcare administrative costs in Canada are only 1/3 what they are in the US, debunking the myth that UH can't be efficient. PropagandaBuster, this is how one substantiates an argument.
Certainly some wealthy Canadians will come to the USA for healthcare services just as some wealthy people will buy Porsches. I never said that the quality of US healthcare was bad but the point is that most people can't afford it (half of all bankruptcies in the US are the result of medical bills). Comparatively the Canadian system is like a Honda Accord. It's not a Porsche but still a very good and reliable car that everyone can afford.
If you were in the USA, I would accuse you of being one of them dar Demarcates. Because Democrats claim half the bankruptcies are due to home foreclosures, while you claim the other half is due to medical expenses. The high cost of USA health care is due to government interference. Get the government out of healthcare, and it will become more affordable
PropagandaBuster, first of all, I am in the US right now. You should forget what Democrats say and base yourself on official figures that can be easily obtained. And where you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG is to say that government interference is the cause of high costs; it's just the opposite. Without sufficient government regulation big pharma and the health insurance industry have no restrictions that prevent them from raising prices as much as they want. Have you ever seen the movie "Sicko"?
By the way, it's not an unsubstantiated claim that medical expenses cause bankruptcies. A study actually came out yesterday that shows 62% of all bankruptcies in the US are attributed to medical bills.
@trader1963 I know for a fact a lot of people from Canada pay for coverage here already. They buy private insurance just like you and me.
Also places like the UK are opening back up private insurance because they can't do it anymore......
Canadas system is a pinto and unless you grease someone pockets you get to wait in a line. People think its BS but then why would 2 to 3 million of them buy coverage from my company and fly here to be treated? they don't have too at all.
@daddyoca69 So you must have used our system to call it a pinto? Let me guess, you haven't.Yet 85% of Canadians rate their healthcare as good to satisfactory. 44% rate it excellent and only 1 in 9 poor. Those 2 to 3 million, if they exist, is probably temp. insurance when travelling to the U.S. for vacation or a visit. I don't believe Canadians living in Canada can even buy U.S. health insurance.And reports and studies show that Canadians use of American healthcare is the exception not the rule.
@MadHabber93 hah yeah no its not temp insurance, Its yearly insurance so they have atleast a year at a time and most keep on for ever. I have had one client for the last 8 years alone.
There is even employees from American companies that have some Canada in employees who go out of their way to pay for coverage....
These are not short term by any mean or "travel" so keep fishing...
@daddyoca69 So you're telling me that AMericans can't buy health insurance across state line, but a non-U.S. citizen living in Canada can?? Sorry, don't buy it. At least not your 2-3 million claim. Are they living in the States??
And again, you can call our system a pinto, but we know otherwise.
@MadHabber93 They can buy across State lines and I never said they couldn't so where you go that from is your own BS. Depends on type of plan etc. mine is written in new york and I live in Cali.
No they live in Canada. We also insure a ton of what are called ex patriots too. These people can use the system there or fly back here and most will fly back here or walk across.
@daddyoca69 Never said that YOU said they couldn't buy across State lines. That's what I've read everywhere during your whole healthcare debate, that if people were allowed to buy across State lines, then premiums would go down.
And sorry, until I see proof, I'm not buying the number you are selling. From all accounts, Canadians use of American healthcare happens but its a trickle not a flood. Not to mention the fact the number of Americans coming are way for less expensive care also occurs.
the question should not be why rich canadians come here for treatment. it should be why do the poor and middle class canadians stay in canada for healthcare. the problem with healthcare in america is not with the wealthy. if everyone in america was wealthy then healthcare wouldnt be a problem.
but to answer your question they come here because they can afford it. the same reason only the rich by big diomonds.
why middle class canadians use the system? Simple, Their suckers!!! If they had the money they'd use it!!
Both systems favor the rich, If your millionaire in Canada, You can afford to skip the public system all together, You have only a two hour drive at best across the border or a canadian private clinic .
The sole difference, I guess is the canadian has access to the service , Without having to be buried in dept, but the service being offered is of low quality.
PropagandaBuster, you know, if you are going to adopt such a bold username such as Propagandabuster, it might give you more credibility to present some actual facts instead of repeating unsubstantiated myths.
Propagandabuster, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. I am from Canada, have now been living in the US for the past 7 years, and so have experienced both systems. I concur with EziekielNightwind in saying that, though not pefect, the Canadian system is quite good. What I dislike is your insinuation that bureaucrats line hospital halls...which is totally wrong. The government only provides financing, make sure certain standards are upheld, but are basically hands off.
Universal healthcare works just fine over here in Britain, it made it more efficient, save more lives, stop needless deaths of millions, ever since the NHS was set up i think you'll find we have been much better off.
Canada's had socialized healthcare for years. It's quick, efficient, and there when we need it. It would be quicker if our doctors didn't flood down to the states though, we currently have a shortage of them, and nurses.
6vulpes6 is 20 years old and says he lives in socialized health care system, but lists US as country? If he is 20 and healthy, he doesn't know much about the use of a socialized system. Our medical care is expensive because we take very good care of our aging population and because people who don't pay into the system sit in our emergency rooms for the flu. We have medicaid for those who can't afford health care. And, if you get hurt in an accident, the hospital MUST treat you.
The government does so well running the postal service, AMTRAK, the dept of motor vehicles, the highways, the Veterans Administration, and everything else they get their grubby hands on.
So why wouldn't we want them to take over our health care system? The average idiot sees no problem with it, of course. That's why they're idiots.
Yeah right it's bad to help other people who could not afford healthcare or need more because of bad habits... Ignorant shit. I live in a socialized healthcare system and it's efficient, affordable, and accurate. Imagine being one of the people who has an accident and can't be helped because they look for his credit-card first instead of just doing waht needs to be done. The insurance companies make huge profits out of you americans, who have to be clean. I
Where you ever in Europe? It doesn't take forever it takes 5-10 minutes... Which i think isn't that bad and in emergencies it's like yours, only that at our system they look for the doctor and not for the Bank-Account. I don't know why you think it takes forever.. Seems like fox-news has you.
PB, you want to talk about red tape? If privatized HC is so great, then why does privatized HC limit you to certain doctors and hospitals and you have to get things "pre-approved" to get them covered by them?
In a UHC system you goto ANY doctor at ANY hospital at ANY time to get the care you need. You have more freedom for care in the UK, Canada, or France than you do in the USA.
Because those countries allow for uhm, Freedom of Choice? Yea, more freedom is a good thing. Besides, if you're rich you can get top-rate HC anywhere, for tippy-top-dollar.
So then you admit under Universal Healthcare to get top rated health care you need to be rich and go to a private hospital, while the peasants have to go for public healthcare. How interesting.
Has the government ever run anything without corruption....ever?....didnt think so. I don't understand ppl who want to willingly hand over their own health decisions to the government. I don't know about you guys but there is no way in hell that my tax dollars are gonna pay for somebody's viagra medication. America is getting more and more socialist everyday. Wake up, grow some balls, and start taking care of your own problems instead of having the government do everything for you.
Thats hilarious, comparing the efficiency and duration of the department of motor vehicles to a health care system. I guess apples ARE oranges.
Anyway, is the reason why people don't want a universal health care because the government is so corrupt and untrustworthy? Or is it because its a flawed concept or practice?
I only ask because the Super power of the world, USA is ranked in between Costa Rica and Slovenia at 37th. While the top 5 are European socialized health systems.
What works for Europe does not always work in the USA. Healthcare is not provided for in our Constitution, so our Federal government should not be involved. Also, bureaucracies in the USA are inefficient and do more harm than good. We have our faith in the market place not in the bureaucrats. Also "health care" is an individual responsibility in a nation which firmly believes in individualism. "The government that governs least, governs best."
Thats surprising... considering that the "marketplace" is mostly responsible for the high drug costs and inefficiencies caused by insurance companies. Are you not familiar with Peter Rost? David Graham? Eric Topol and the NEJM? There is very little faith in any pharmaceutical or insurance companies.
And also the constitution is irrelevant in such a situation. Because its the supreme law and a framework for government from 1787, not an optional tally for departments.
Health care IS an individual responsibility. Tax dollars are taken from everyone by force of government. I do not have a responsibility to pay taxes, it's an obligation, but I'm forced to do it. When taxes taken from me in this manner and used to cover someone else's bad health mistakes, it's not my responsibility to make sure that they can pay their hospital bills. Smokers, drug users, habitual practicers of unsafe sex, gluttons, and other unhealthy INDIVIDUAL practices are given a free ride.
Strangely enough, I AM a victim of a public school, but I'm also a product of a public school from a very small community. No problems with overcrowding, no problems with teacher unions. My graduating class was the largest one in the history of the school. A record 130 students, lol.
I'm not an expert on this issue, but neither are you.....
You've never experienced the system and/or it's associated taxes
Don't talk like you have. If you're really opposed to the system and want to make a video expressing that, use facts and state them and your conclusion calmly and slowly.
For one thing, correctly, you should have wrote "Just what I was looking for, AN opinion from an expert." Not "and".
Secondly, if you read both my posts, I mention in the second post that I am not an expert. I merely want to point out that someone viewing your video with a critical perspective might not see the relevance of the letter to the issue.
Why do you bring up the letter? Entirely unrelated. Sure, it took a while for the Defense Department to answer you. The Department that would control healthcare wouldn't be the Department of Defense......So you classify all parts of the government together and then try to use that as point in case for your opposition to universal healthcare. Try presenting facts about the issue, like average wait times per local population, or quality of care estimates.
The sad thing is that it is meaningless what we think. We will probably get socialized medicine anyway. Get ready for a cross between the DMV and an HMO. You just have to be prepared to adapt to it and try to retain as much freedom as possible even though the average person prefers to live like a slave and thus creates a govt. which mirrors that wish.
This guy may seem a little insane but he's correct. Government subsidized healthcare is ultimately flawed and long lines are just the beggining. Healthcare reform is needed but not in the way of a complete universal healthcare overhall. Europe and Canada have gone down this road and its not as great as it seems. In Canada they tell you for planned surgery 'you can wait 3 months or goto the U.S. Basically you the taxpayer will be paying for others to receive there care and i dont think thats fair
Or perhaps you could make your video a little more clearcut and understandable to help sway your audience to your side. Maybe take out the Nazi propaganda so people don't misinterpret your point. I say this only because I agree with you and think what your trying to say here is correct.
Why would the government crack down on you? Ud get better pay from working for a private healthcare company rather than the public service so you may be taxed more but thats it
The government welcomes people using private companies for their healthcare it saves on resources for the public healthcare system. So if people have extra money and want a faster service is good for everyone involved they pay
Universal healthcare depends on competent governments and decent amount of funding to do well
um, have you ever been in a country that has free healthcare? i have never had to wait in a long line to see an italian doctor. and i never had to pay! yay!
The government is horribly inefficient and fiscally irresponsible. If UHC is foist upon us, care inevitably will be scare and rationed. There will be endless, angry, and divisive political fights between classes of Americans. There will be a lobbying and campaign finance frenzy among the health care providers and pharmaceutical companies.
I would probably benefit a great deal personally from UHC. But I have no desire to profit from stolen money.
Hear Hear! Finally someone who can see beyond the facade. I could be here all day describing the problems that would stem from a socialized system.
The worst part about any social program is they dont go away when you cant afford it or just dont want it anymore. They continue to grow like a malignant cancer.
This government is in collusion with the corporations. The FDA does not check anything anymore because the corporations are in collusion with the FDA, EPA, and what ever else the fascist corporations want. Your free market is an illusion. In a true free market all capital investments are allowed to cross borders. NAFTA is just a scam. Why cannot human capital cross borders just like the corporations can. Then we might have true and equal competition. No to tariffs,subsides,and import quotas
NAFTA removes borders for corporations so why not the people who work at the corporations. Your saying you rather have corporations with more power than the taxpayers?
Thank you for you kind words. Sorry, not a teacher, I retired from a large communications company. Our government, politics, and our constitution have always been a life long passion with me. I firmly believe in our constitution, capitalism, and the free market. As those three have made our country great, attacking the best from all over the world to migrate here, contributing to our success.
The government has no responsibility to "help people out of poverty," they have the responsibility to help themselves. Again, there will always be rich people, poor people and those in between. The actions of them will affect whether they are dormant, progressive or regressive in that structure. It should not be determined by dominiant powers who succeedes and who fails. It is the responsibility of the individual.
kstompaint: Wow, you comments are flawless! So I'm not the only one that thinks like I do. I re-read your comments and thought, "did I write that?" I wish you would post some videos to expand upon your insight. Understand due to political correctness we may be but a few who think like us, but never give up.
Prop- I don't feel like I have any insight, it's common sense (or at least it should be). We are not "few," we are the silent majority. To me, there is no concept as simple as taking care of yourself. Those who need help can get it via charity if the government allows us to keep enough of our money to do it. Anybody who doesn't feel the same way has no pride. Thanks for your video.
When the government pays for healthcare it means they have more of an incentive to improve peoples lives. They are able to influence the nation and attempt to restrict unhealthy action.
Preventitive health care is the best option for the future and works out cheaper in the long run.
Agreed it does. Which is why the rich are entitled to pay money towards health insurance and pay for their medical bills to get the best service.
People who cant afford to pay health insurance and medical bills have a right to get treatment aswell.. sure its not as great but it is better than nothing.
If someone gets cancer, should their bill go up just for being ill?
yes from tax payers, or it could just tell all channel providers that operate within the USA if they want to keep operating they will do a certain amount of public service broadcasting, Which would include putting a couple of minutes of a candidate talking in the run up to election.
Doesnt have to go on all channels, doesnt need to involve cable etc just the main regular ones. If thats not possible, just ban all political tv ads and people will have to watch the news more.
Thank you for that bit of history. I was never able to understand what caused healthcare to sky rocket. So it was legislation for the insurance companies. I'd have to look into that as to educate myself further. What did the legislation do? Thanks again for that info.
competitive private health industry ables American people to get cure of the latest technology. no line high tech. work 2 days a month for this luxury! let them be private and keep in competition.
Theres always going to be corporations and businesses and ofcourse dont forget theres always the American people :)
Taxes have to be reasonable but some groups and big corporations could do with paying a little more that they wouldnt miss.
In the case of the USA id say cutting waste is more important.. u gotta stop the billions wasted by corrupt leaders on little projects in their home states to win support.
I didnt say u had to pay. The important part is to stop the 100s of millions being spent on TV Ads. If Candidates cant advertise on tv and waste all that money they wont need such huge donations from corporations. Removing corporate America from politics would allow the USA to progress alot faster and not be held back by greed.
Less corruption is worth paying for, but ofcourse the government can get free tv ads if it wants.
Surely people should care about the other citizens in their country? Do u not want other Americans to have better lives?
One of the most important jobs of a government is to protect its citizens. That doesnt mean just paying for a huge military. It means providing essential services, Education, Fire protection, Crime prevention, and yes HEALTH CARE :)
As Americans we are very generous and give more per capita to charities than any other nation. We believe such charities should be privately run. Funny, before the New Deal of the 1930's in America, no one went without food or medical care. Because such care was provided by private charities and the concept of individualism was stronger then.
Well im sure some people went with out food and medical care before 1930 ofcourse there wasnt much media back then so it wasnt in peoples faces.
America is a generous country, it does give alot of money to other nations and citizens also make large donations. but whats so bad about helping your own citizens have good healthcare.
The better the healthcare the better the health of the nation.
Believe me, no more went without food or healthcare before the 1930's than today in America. There was plenty of media then, newspapers. Major cities today in America have on or two newspapers. Then there were dozens per city. We help our citizens when in need but first there must be an attempt at individual responsibility.
But there wasnt the internet or mass television media which brings the issue to our screens.
If someone pays taxes all their life, pays for insurance and works hard.. If they get cancer is it fair that the insurance company raises the price they must pay?
Now that is the free-market place you are questioning, not a topic of this video or the constitution. Sure it is no fair, but life is not fair. No one ever said life was fair. The same happens with auto insurance, the more traffic violations or accidents one has, the higher the insurance premiums. If it is okay with auto insurance, why not with health insurance?
Medical care is a right market places and capitalism shouldnt come into this. If you cause an accident you deserve to pay higher insurance. If you are the victim then you shouldnt have to pay for someone elses mistake or crime.
Healthy people who do everything right to look after themselves can still get cancer.. they shouldnt be forced to pay more. Its just wrong to punish people for such things. The poor and the middle class suffer, whilst the rich have no problem paying.
Look at fire... its right people take individual responsibility by having a smoke detector or good electrics, but if their house catches fire we tell them to get out and call for help from the fire services.
You can take personal responsibility to prevent ur house being broken into. Locks on the doors and perhaps an alarm. if criminals do break in, people are told to call for help from the police.
If your family earns 2000 dollars a month and most of that money goes to pay bills and they are left with 100 dollars to spend on luxuries they dont have much choice.
Then if they get sick and their health insurance bill doubles or they must pay medical bills they are left with no money for luxuries or worse they have to cut back on essentials like food.
If you don't like your financial standing, you have the freedom to change it. Socialized anything is stealing from me to provide for somebody else. That's just not right. If your family earns $2k a month and that's not enough for you, pick up an extra shift, start a side business or get a second job. That's how things get done. Capitalism produces innovation in medicine and everything else. Everybody should stand on their own two feet.
Then why do we have fire fighters, Police officers, and soldiers to help u? Why should other Americans go off and fight for you in Iraq, shouldnt u fight urself?
While i agree people shouldnt have children unless they are happy with their financial situation, but im sorry millions of american families suffer and thats unfair.
I guess it comes down to what type of person you are. Some people are more selfish than others.
I resent your implication that I am "selfish." If we were allowed to keep the wealth that we earn, Americans would contribute more voluntarily via charity to assist those who are less fortunate. We should not be forced to do so, and the administrative waste from point a to b is unacceptable.
Obviously security needs to be provided by the government, that's the only thing constitutionally provided. The "pursuit of hapiness" was originally worded "the pursuit of property" but was changed due to the fact that slaves were considered property at the time. The government should assist me in protecting my property, not siezing it as a gift to another.
A government should help people to help themselves out of poverty it shouldnt just give hand outs that get people addicted to welfare and they along with everyone lose in the end.
Im sorry but Healthcare is the same as policing and fire fighting.. they are the 3 emergency services that everyone should be entitled to receive help from no matter what your wealth
The idea is knoble, in practice it does not work. What started as a helping hand has grown to generational public support. The government (public) is not obligated to help anybody do anything. Answer: Personal responsibility.
Healthcare is not as black and white as police and fire services. Socialized medicine would become the same as welfare. Those who are on the public dole have a sense of entitlement. They are not entitled to my money.
Well that depends on government leadership. There are many systems that do work investing in re educating and training people to get them back to work. Instead of being on welfare all their life or turning to crime.
Reducing poverty reduces crime, Investing in education and creating jobs may cost money but in the long term if you turn people into good citizens that pay taxes it works out better than leaving them to turn to crime which costs taxpayers billions to imprison them
lol its not poor in practice.. the current system u have in the USA clearly doesnt work. Why do u think the USA has over 2 million people in its prisons and jails. Poverty and failure of the government to provide decent education and oppurtunity for all has helped turn people to crime.
I would rather pay to educate someone so they can get a good job than have to pay for them having no job or turning to crime.
Why do we have so many in jail... Look at the stats on who is in there. There is a high population of illegal immigrants, so the failure there is obvious (lax border security). Canada has socialized medicine... and long lines. Those in Canada who need a desperate medical procedure and can afford to do so come to the U.S. and PAY for it. I'm glad you like the system you have. Please don't insert your 2 cents on ours. It has no bearing on you.
I dont understand why the USA hasnt done something about border security in the past. Illegals must be deported and the border secured, Kinda helps us in Britain the fact we are a small island with no land border to a poverty struck nation ;)
As for paying for healthcare, ofcourse. USA has one of the best healthcare systems in the world.. if u can afford it. I dont have to use the NHS here, i can pay private health insurance and get fast treatment. But everyones entitled to healthcare
Everyone gets healthcare here! It's illegal to refuse them. I know, my wife works in a hospital. "USA has one of the best healthcare systems in the world" Thank you for acknowleging that fact (created in a free market capitalist economy).
I have no problem accepting that fact, so whilst the rich have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.. u have millions of Americans suffering because the system fails them. This is why you should provide a health service for all and allow rich people who can afford to pay private health insurance to use that (but they still gotta pay their taxes ;) )
Everyones entitled to emergency medical care, but i think its a bit deeper than reviving someone thats unconscious.
Somebody has to dig ditches, collect garbage, and sweep floors. I refuse to agree with the arguement that there should be no class structure. A doctor, lawyer, designer, retailer, garbage collector and a landscaper should all have the same lifestyle? NO!
I dont agree with that either, ofcourse there will always be rich and poor people.. christ im not a communist lol. Ofcourse a doctor that spends 10 years learning how to save lives contributes more to society than a garbage collector and deserves to be paid a better wage.
What im saying is every ones entitled to certain things. Good education, healthcare and oppurtunity should be considered a right, not a privilege for the elite.
Everyone is "entitled" (look it up) to what they provide for themselves. I am not obligated to provide you with education, healthcare, opportunity or food! Those who have those are not all "elite." Many are hard working, smart people who do for themselves. Pride is lacking among those who feel entitled.
As far as schooling... socialism fails yet again. Teacher's unions here ruin the system. If it were a capitalist controlled system, failing schools (and teachers) would disappear and thriving schools (and teachers) would prosper. Again, it's very simple.
Just because the US system has failed at things doesnt mean socialism always fails. I watched a documentary on youtube about a year ago on how the Teachers union protected incompetent teachers. I dont have a problem with teachers who cant teach being fired, they are employed to do a job. shouldnt matter who the employer is.
Now a capitalist system for teachers where good teachers get paid more is fine. U cant do that with schools coz the poor areas wouldnt attract good teachers.
The "poor areas" aren't paying for "good teachers." Should my property taxes pay for teachers who are working in areas where my kids do not go to school? Creaping socialism again...
Your taxes should pay for every American citizen to get a good education. Im sorry but a 15 year old boy thats going through the education system right now can be conscripted into the US military if the country had such a need in a few years time.
If an American from any part of America can be forced to serve to defend U, why cant u be forced to pay a little bit towards his education?
If someone takes care of themselves and doesnt do anything to harm their body, doesnt smoke, doesnt drink, keeps fit ect, is it fair when they get cancer, is it their fault?
Is it fair that the person must pay a bill for going to the doctors and getting sick, is it fair their insurance costs are doubled because they are unlucky?
Im sorry but civilized nations look after their own people.. USA goes part of the way by providing Emergency medical treatment for all, u gotta take the next step :)
Is it fair that I am forced to support you? NO! Again, stand on your own two feet. Insurance is available and it is not expensive for the basic service that covers catastrophic events (I know, because since I'm self-employed I had to buy it for myself before my wife became employed in the health care industry). Even those (like my wife) who have employer provided health care have to pay for it. On top of that, our taxes are being used to provide for others. That's wrong.
Lets look at blacks for a moment. Half the people in American prisons and jails are black, despite being less than 30% of the US population , why is that? Is it because black people are born bad?
We have to remember that black people were treated in a disgusting way only a few decades ago. Today things are equal but the past impacts on our present and future.
I have owned no slaves. My grandfather owned no slaves. I have a friend who is black. He has not been a slave. His grandfather was not a slave. How many generations must pass before this reverse racism goes away? Those in prison (regardless of race) are there because they personally committed a crime. It's that simple. Personal responsibility is at the root of this whole discussion.
Im not talking about slavery although ofcourse we can go right back to the begining when reasonably educated white people traveled from europe to north America for better lives. While they came and had rights they also started to bring black slaves who had no rights and no education.
You can speak English because someone taught you. Was it your parents or a school? If it was ur parents, who taught them? If it was the school.. Who paid for it?
The black Africans sold thier own people into slavery via tribal warfare. I hardly think that's the intent of the video being debated. Again, your opinion means little due to the fact that you don't even reside here.
Africans enslaved themselves long before white europeans came along but that doesnt change the fact they were slaves and had no education. Whilst white europeans traveled to America with a basic level of education.
It does have something to do with this video. you seem to think that people are totally to blame for their situation, with out considering other factors. you said "Or bad luck".. Well billions have bad luck.
Healthcare is a basic right, it shouldnt be dennied coz someone is unlucky
If you were black in America 50 years ago you had less rights than a white person did, which means you had less oppurtunity. So back then a black child growing up had very poor education, now today things are better although US public schools are hardly perfect.
That black child growing up in racist America who was failed by the system simply for the colour of their skin is an adult and probably has children. Is it any wonder many fail as parents?
There are plenty of successful black Americans of all ages. You reap what you sow. Racism is but an excuse. In the U.S. (I understand your lack of ability to comprehend, since you are not a U.S. citizen), we can all pick ourselves up and do better. Relocate, go to school or sell hot dogs, there's no excuse for failure but lack of persistence.
But many Americans think the way i do. You know i love watching American politics because the two sides are so radically different it makes for great tv. Here politics is dull but the major parties agree on the main issues, they just have different ways of going about it.
I know many americans who work hard and deserve better lives. Sometimes people get lucky, many dont.. A civilized society helps those that need it.
Im sorry but it is a black and white issue. Healthcare is an essential service that every citizen should have a right to.
There are arguments about how to implement such a system, but if you start from the position that every citizen pays money towards a National Health Service that treats every citizen its a good start.
Food is more basic and definable than "healthcare" and even that is not a right. If you can't provide for yourself, and there is no charity to provide for you due to immense taxation, then you do not recieve. That "every citizen pays money towards a National Health Service" is a grand assumption. Those who are successful end up paying for those who are not.
Those who have gained the most from the USA being the rich nation it is today should pay more because they can afford to pay more. A billionaire has his money because poor americans go out and fight on his behalf. While u dont force that billionaire to fight, he should contribute fairly to help those below him.
As for food.. Everyone is entitled to such things and the government can provide grants and services to help those who have no food. If u have no job or money u can get help
Socialism at its finest! The rich man is entitled to his money because it is his. Nobody is "entitled" to anybody else's property. "Grants and services" are provided by money that is forcibly taken from those who are successful. Such services should be provided by charities, which are better served by those who are allowed to profit from their inginuity and donate to said charity!
Those rich americans got rich because of oppurtunities open to them for being American citizens. Those rich Americans remain rich because poor Americans join the military and go out and give thier blood for them.
I dont see how those who have gained the most from society, should not pay more into society so every American has a better life.
Thank you. This ridiculous arguement is now over. You support socialism/communism. Even those who started with nothing and became rich are undeserving to you. Thankfully, you have no say in our system. Those who have gained the most "from society" (nevermind their own work and inginuity) should pay more? Ridiculous, they already do pay more!
I think you are just jealous, and it doesn't matter anyway because you are not an American. Butt out.
More civilized? Please. Do you proport that we will be like you with no immigration laws (at least enforced), no rights for property owners, no reasonable gun ownership and an even larger welfare state than we already have? You and I have differing views on "civilized."
Its true that if you tax less then some will give more to charity.. but not all do give and people shouldnt feel like they have to beg for something or depend on someone being generous.
Everyone that can afford to contribute to the health service should, those that cant afford to should not just be left to die they should be helped.
I agree government waste must be reduced, but we must remember life is the most important thing. We have no right to deny someone life simply for being poor.
"people shouldnt feel like they have to beg for something or depend on someone being generous." But it's ok to depend on the govt to steal my money and give it to them?
"those that cant afford to should not just be left to die they should be helped." Agreed, but not by force.
People have the ability to rise from the bottom. If they can't realize that it is not the fault of those who do.
Being an American citizen gives you rights and responsibilities. Paying taxes is one of the responsibilities. That money should be used to provide services which helps american citizens and keeps the nation strong.
Not everyone can rise from the bottom, ofcourse there are a few success stories but millions remain living on the minimum wage and in poverty. Most people want better lives, to think its just because they dont try hard enough is unfair.
There is a class structure, there always has been and there always will be. Those who do not rise in the structure have only themselves or bad luck to blame. I should not be held responsible to bail them out of either one any more than you should be held responsible to bail me out. If I try a new business venture, take a new job or relocate and it doesn't work out, it's MY responsibility to dig out. If you CHOOSE to help me, that's great but the government should not force you to do so.
"Only themselves or bad luck to blame"? lmao im glad u included the bad luck part, because billions seem to have that on this planet. If u waste all ur money then u are to blame but if u work every hour of every day trying to support a family and cant is it all ur fault?
This is a bit like healthcare. If you damage ur body by drinking or smoking u should pay more for ur helthcare. If you have done nothing wrong hows it fair to leave the person to suffer?
"if u work every hour of every day trying to support a family and cant is it all ur fault?"
Yes. If you can't support a family then you shouldn't have one. We all know what causes that and those who don't want, or can't support, a family should either not engage in those activities or take precautions otherwise. Again, personal responsibility.
Agreed but its still not always the persons fault. What happens if they have a child then the father who is the main earner for the household is killed?
Poverty in Africa would be hugely reduced if people stopped breeding. If you dont have enough money or food for urself u shouldnt have children.
But there are millions of examples where someones circumstances change, the person is not always to blame.
"there are millions of examples where someones circumstances change, the person is not always to blame."
Agreed, but I'm also not to blame. Why should I be forced to absorb the cost? Allow charity to do so. Charity would be more effective if we were not raped of over half our wages.
Because u are an American citizen, with the rights and responsibilities that come with such citizenship. If you dont like having to pay taxes to the American government so it can help American people you have the right to leave the USA and put all ur money in a bank.
Rich people have choices, the poor have very few. Charaties would be better, sadly not enough people give up their time for such noble things.
If u have 5 children and cant feed them, the person is going to get arrested for child neglect or abuse. If the family just lost the father and the woman was originally looking after the children and not working, hows she going to earn money. The life insurance payout wont cover the family expenses for long, shes going to need help.
Yes charity may offer her some help, if it doesnt the government should be there to protect her and the family.
Charity would be more available if the government didn't forcibly remove our earned wealth. I have a freind who works in the U.S. welfare system. I hear first hand the abuses. I'd say it's 50/50. Some need it but alot are cheating the system. Like many things, some bad apples ruin it for the rest. A helping hand turns into generational dependence.
Some do abuse the system.. That happens in Britain too, You dont punish the people who do need help by stopping the service, u simply improve the system to prevent abuse and punish those that do.
We have alot of tv ads here reminding people that Benefit fruad is illegal and can result in a prison sentence
Those who are proported to be helped are really only held down. They vote themselves pay raises and the circle continues. Greedy politicians exploiting the poor and keeping them down for their own benefit.
Depends on the system. Like i said b4 the government has to help people out of poverty, not just pay them welfare for the rest of their lives. Republicans and democrats have both failed the poor people of america in the past and im sure the next U.S President wont bring about huge change either.
U help people out of poverty by providing training, re education, and creating more jobs.
You can take some personal responsibility to prevent getting sick. Staying healthy, not doing drugs, not drinking too much, not smoking etc. However you can do all of these things and still get ill.
When that happens you should be able to call for help just like you do with the other emergency services and not worry about being told you need to pay huge bills or are not entitled to the help you need.
Theres a big debate here at the moment about restricting services to those that damage their bodies intentionally or forcing them to pay extra. I have no problem with that, infact id support it.
Some local health services here have told people who are obese they must lose weight or they wont be entitled to a service.
Thats totally fair.. u damage urself u should pay part of the fee, but millions who suffer are not to blame themselves.
My response was directed at Obasiliasfilosofos who was happy to trash my comments of 2 weeks ago but appeared to have nothing positive to offer in return. All entitled to our opinions of course. Anyway - since Haiti is only about 90 miles from Cuba still seems good comparison to me.
Mounhas 2 years ago
Okay, thank you.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
I happened to grab Haiti out of the air, it might have been any other free market economy island whose govt had little regard for it's inhabitants. My point is that Cuba is repeatedly being castigated for not being "free" meanwhile people there are the most highly educated and healthiest people REGARDLESS of income in that part of the world. If, in your opinion, that comparison is absurd, well I would like to see what point you are trying to make.
Mounhas 2 years ago
Then tell me::
How come these people with the best healthcare, and high education, have one of the lowest living standards in the world?
How come these very people risk their lives to float to the USA on nothing more than old wooden doors?
Why is it when the leader (Castro) needed medical care, he sought a doctor from Spain and not his island with the highly educated and healthiest people?
Hmmmm?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Well since you fail to answer my question I will answer it for you, and these are not my statistics either, just good old facts: there are 20 years difference between life expectancy in Cuba and Haiti, and yes - people live 20 years longer, and healthier, in Cuba. Depends which one you refer to as a failed economy.
Mounhas 2 years ago
Perhaps opponents to government healthcare services would like to make a comparison between life expectancy in Cuba and life expectancy in Haiti - the latter no doubt being a shining example of private enterprise.
Mounhas 2 years ago
It is ridiculous to compare a failed economy to a command economy.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Hmmmmm let me see, A country with law and order and actually something being provided regardless of quality.
or Haiti, Were the country is a failed state and people are actually eating dirt . That's a very absurd comparison pal!
Thats the difference between having poor health care versus no health care, Just like having some scraps to eat versus nothing to eat.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
Mounhas, are you suggesting life expectancy should trump freedom/liberty?
I'll point out that the USA is founded on freedom, not life expectancy. If you want to maximize life expectancy, lock everyone up where they can't hurt themselves, and force feed them the healthiest food. That would minimize healthcare costs.
The point is that government running healthcare is the most egregious violation of personal liberty. They can control every aspect of our lives if they control access to care.
sailcats77 2 years ago
No, not at all, and pretty much came to an accord with propagandabuster - important to see where each other is coming from, I have had the national health service here since I was born and whilst not entirely free now it was bought into being post WW2. How would I feel now? suspicious probably. BTW I also understand the reason for the freedom to bear arms, it makes sense. Funny how chatting to people can alter opinions.
Mounhas 2 years ago
Not going to lie, the worst defense of health care I have heard to date.
supermurder67 2 years ago
Busting the Propagandabuster. As of the year 2000 the WHO ranked Canada 30th and the US 37th for best healthcare. As of 2007 the per capita healthcare costs were $3,173 in Canada and $6,096 in the US. As of 2008, overall life expectancy was 80.34 years in Canada but only 78.06 years in the US. Also, healthcare administrative costs in Canada are only 1/3 what they are in the US, debunking the myth that UH can't be efficient. PropagandaBuster, this is how one substantiates an argument.
trader1963 2 years ago
How come wealthy Canadians come to the USA for healthcare?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Certainly some wealthy Canadians will come to the USA for healthcare services just as some wealthy people will buy Porsches. I never said that the quality of US healthcare was bad but the point is that most people can't afford it (half of all bankruptcies in the US are the result of medical bills). Comparatively the Canadian system is like a Honda Accord. It's not a Porsche but still a very good and reliable car that everyone can afford.
trader1963 2 years ago 3
If you were in the USA, I would accuse you of being one of them dar Demarcates. Because Democrats claim half the bankruptcies are due to home foreclosures, while you claim the other half is due to medical expenses. The high cost of USA health care is due to government interference. Get the government out of healthcare, and it will become more affordable
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
PropagandaBuster, first of all, I am in the US right now. You should forget what Democrats say and base yourself on official figures that can be easily obtained. And where you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG is to say that government interference is the cause of high costs; it's just the opposite. Without sufficient government regulation big pharma and the health insurance industry have no restrictions that prevent them from raising prices as much as they want. Have you ever seen the movie "Sicko"?
trader1963 2 years ago
By the way, it's not an unsubstantiated claim that medical expenses cause bankruptcies. A study actually came out yesterday that shows 62% of all bankruptcies in the US are attributed to medical bills.
trader1963 2 years ago
Which proves my point. Thanks! This is due to government interference in our medical system.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
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trader1963 2 years ago
@trader1963 I know for a fact a lot of people from Canada pay for coverage here already. They buy private insurance just like you and me.
Also places like the UK are opening back up private insurance because they can't do it anymore......
Canadas system is a pinto and unless you grease someone pockets you get to wait in a line. People think its BS but then why would 2 to 3 million of them buy coverage from my company and fly here to be treated? they don't have too at all.
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69 So you must have used our system to call it a pinto? Let me guess, you haven't.Yet 85% of Canadians rate their healthcare as good to satisfactory. 44% rate it excellent and only 1 in 9 poor. Those 2 to 3 million, if they exist, is probably temp. insurance when travelling to the U.S. for vacation or a visit. I don't believe Canadians living in Canada can even buy U.S. health insurance.And reports and studies show that Canadians use of American healthcare is the exception not the rule.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 hah yeah no its not temp insurance, Its yearly insurance so they have atleast a year at a time and most keep on for ever. I have had one client for the last 8 years alone.
There is even employees from American companies that have some Canada in employees who go out of their way to pay for coverage....
These are not short term by any mean or "travel" so keep fishing...
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69 So you're telling me that AMericans can't buy health insurance across state line, but a non-U.S. citizen living in Canada can?? Sorry, don't buy it. At least not your 2-3 million claim. Are they living in the States??
And again, you can call our system a pinto, but we know otherwise.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 They can buy across State lines and I never said they couldn't so where you go that from is your own BS. Depends on type of plan etc. mine is written in new york and I live in Cali.
No they live in Canada. We also insure a ton of what are called ex patriots too. These people can use the system there or fly back here and most will fly back here or walk across.
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69 Never said that YOU said they couldn't buy across State lines. That's what I've read everywhere during your whole healthcare debate, that if people were allowed to buy across State lines, then premiums would go down.
And sorry, until I see proof, I'm not buying the number you are selling. From all accounts, Canadians use of American healthcare happens but its a trickle not a flood. Not to mention the fact the number of Americans coming are way for less expensive care also occurs.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
the question should not be why rich canadians come here for treatment. it should be why do the poor and middle class canadians stay in canada for healthcare. the problem with healthcare in america is not with the wealthy. if everyone in america was wealthy then healthcare wouldnt be a problem.
but to answer your question they come here because they can afford it. the same reason only the rich by big diomonds.
poor people dont want to buy diamonds
insanityback 2 years ago
why middle class canadians use the system? Simple, Their suckers!!! If they had the money they'd use it!!
Both systems favor the rich, If your millionaire in Canada, You can afford to skip the public system all together, You have only a two hour drive at best across the border or a canadian private clinic .
The sole difference, I guess is the canadian has access to the service , Without having to be buried in dept, but the service being offered is of low quality.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
PropagandaBuster, you know, if you are going to adopt such a bold username such as Propagandabuster, it might give you more credibility to present some actual facts instead of repeating unsubstantiated myths.
trader1963 2 years ago
Propagandabuster, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. I am from Canada, have now been living in the US for the past 7 years, and so have experienced both systems. I concur with EziekielNightwind in saying that, though not pefect, the Canadian system is quite good. What I dislike is your insinuation that bureaucrats line hospital halls...which is totally wrong. The government only provides financing, make sure certain standards are upheld, but are basically hands off.
trader1963 2 years ago
Universal healthcare works just fine over here in Britain, it made it more efficient, save more lives, stop needless deaths of millions, ever since the NHS was set up i think you'll find we have been much better off.
Erech01 2 years ago
two bad Old people are denied health care because they are considered a lesser priority.
SunBeamsan 2 years ago
Canada's had socialized healthcare for years. It's quick, efficient, and there when we need it. It would be quicker if our doctors didn't flood down to the states though, we currently have a shortage of them, and nurses.
EziekielNightwind 2 years ago
If it is so good, then why are you doctors heading south to the USA?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
You pay them more. They go where the money is. But some see how despicable the insurance companies treat the people, and come back up.
EziekielNightwind 2 years ago
Whle the rest remain......
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
youre sorta... dumb.
doctoirs leaving canada has NO BEARING on whethter the quality of their system is good.
youre just arguing to hear yourself talk.
xylin3 2 years ago
Ever think about building a wall to keep them in?
yammyspeed13 2 years ago
Is it not obviouse that private enterprise is clearly far to fucking greedy to be trusted with health care to begin with???
LimeInTheCoconut21 2 years ago
6vulpes6 is 20 years old and says he lives in socialized health care system, but lists US as country? If he is 20 and healthy, he doesn't know much about the use of a socialized system. Our medical care is expensive because we take very good care of our aging population and because people who don't pay into the system sit in our emergency rooms for the flu. We have medicaid for those who can't afford health care. And, if you get hurt in an accident, the hospital MUST treat you.
backtotheday 2 years ago
The government does so well running the postal service, AMTRAK, the dept of motor vehicles, the highways, the Veterans Administration, and everything else they get their grubby hands on.
So why wouldn't we want them to take over our health care system? The average idiot sees no problem with it, of course. That's why they're idiots.
NoGuff 2 years ago
Only a selfish bastard wouldn't want for anyone else to have healthcare. And take note these are the same people who HAVE heatlhcare of some form...
gblueslover2 3 years ago
In general your system says:"Pay, but don't dare to use the payments". Ignorant Red-Neck.
PS: I'm not Anti-Guns or Pro-Obama or anything you now would like to call me.
6Vulpes6 3 years ago
I do not have to label you or insult you as your comment said all there is to say about you.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Yeah right it's bad to help other people who could not afford healthcare or need more because of bad habits... Ignorant shit. I live in a socialized healthcare system and it's efficient, affordable, and accurate. Imagine being one of the people who has an accident and can't be helped because they look for his credit-card first instead of just doing waht needs to be done. The insurance companies make huge profits out of you americans, who have to be clean. I
6Vulpes6 3 years ago
ass hole if someone who has a surgery sqedualed it takes forever to get in because people go there for little cuts and bruises.
zaczattack 2 years ago
Where you ever in Europe? It doesn't take forever it takes 5-10 minutes... Which i think isn't that bad and in emergencies it's like yours, only that at our system they look for the doctor and not for the Bank-Account. I don't know why you think it takes forever.. Seems like fox-news has you.
6Vulpes6 2 years ago
PB, you want to talk about red tape? If privatized HC is so great, then why does privatized HC limit you to certain doctors and hospitals and you have to get things "pre-approved" to get them covered by them?
In a UHC system you goto ANY doctor at ANY hospital at ANY time to get the care you need. You have more freedom for care in the UK, Canada, or France than you do in the USA.
What a rip, and so are you-
PsionNinja 3 years ago
If Universal Healthcare is so great than why do those nations that have it, also have private hospitals for the rich who can afford it?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Because those countries allow for uhm, Freedom of Choice? Yea, more freedom is a good thing. Besides, if you're rich you can get top-rate HC anywhere, for tippy-top-dollar.
PsionNinja 3 years ago
So then you admit under Universal Healthcare to get top rated health care you need to be rich and go to a private hospital, while the peasants have to go for public healthcare. How interesting.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I knew you'd say that "peasant" line. How predictable. I'm dismayed that you would consider the rest of the population as such.
Canadians live on average 3 years longer than we do. America is #37 on the WHO's list, Canada is #30. What do those numbers tell you?
They tell you that the right-wing propaganda is full of garbage and shouldn't be trusted. And quite frankly, neither should you-
PsionNinja 3 years ago
Since you knew what my reply would be and I can not be trusted, then I will allow you to reply for me to your comment. Just fill in the blanks:
Thanks!
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Has the government ever run anything without corruption....ever?....didnt think so. I don't understand ppl who want to willingly hand over their own health decisions to the government. I don't know about you guys but there is no way in hell that my tax dollars are gonna pay for somebody's viagra medication. America is getting more and more socialist everyday. Wake up, grow some balls, and start taking care of your own problems instead of having the government do everything for you.
shaunmason220 3 years ago
Thats hilarious, comparing the efficiency and duration of the department of motor vehicles to a health care system. I guess apples ARE oranges.
Anyway, is the reason why people don't want a universal health care because the government is so corrupt and untrustworthy? Or is it because its a flawed concept or practice?
I only ask because the Super power of the world, USA is ranked in between Costa Rica and Slovenia at 37th. While the top 5 are European socialized health systems.
sypin 3 years ago
What works for Europe does not always work in the USA. Healthcare is not provided for in our Constitution, so our Federal government should not be involved. Also, bureaucracies in the USA are inefficient and do more harm than good. We have our faith in the market place not in the bureaucrats. Also "health care" is an individual responsibility in a nation which firmly believes in individualism. "The government that governs least, governs best."
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Thats surprising... considering that the "marketplace" is mostly responsible for the high drug costs and inefficiencies caused by insurance companies. Are you not familiar with Peter Rost? David Graham? Eric Topol and the NEJM? There is very little faith in any pharmaceutical or insurance companies.
And also the constitution is irrelevant in such a situation. Because its the supreme law and a framework for government from 1787, not an optional tally for departments.
sypin 3 years ago
Oh yeah, and another thing... this American individualism is really baffling- if not contradicting at times.
From what I gather, ""health care" is an individual responsibility in a nation which firmly believes in individualism."
So health is an individual responsibility, but security is not. What else is a individual responsibility? protection? education? safety?
"The government is best which governs least" is from Henry David Thoreau paper "Resistance to Civil Government" (anarcho-pacifism)
sypin 3 years ago
Security in part is an individual responsibility. Which is why constitutionally Americans can and do own weapons of all types.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Health care IS an individual responsibility. Tax dollars are taken from everyone by force of government. I do not have a responsibility to pay taxes, it's an obligation, but I'm forced to do it. When taxes taken from me in this manner and used to cover someone else's bad health mistakes, it's not my responsibility to make sure that they can pay their hospital bills. Smokers, drug users, habitual practicers of unsafe sex, gluttons, and other unhealthy INDIVIDUAL practices are given a free ride.
bigsexywzp 3 years ago 2
Such sound reasoning. I bet you are not a victim of a public school.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Strangely enough, I AM a victim of a public school, but I'm also a product of a public school from a very small community. No problems with overcrowding, no problems with teacher unions. My graduating class was the largest one in the history of the school. A record 130 students, lol.
bigsexywzp 3 years ago
You are proof small town values are what this nation needs more of. Thanks.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Wonderful contribution. Whatever, that's YouTube.
OHSNAPJON 3 years ago
I'm not an expert on this issue, but neither are you.....
You've never experienced the system and/or it's associated taxes
Don't talk like you have. If you're really opposed to the system and want to make a video expressing that, use facts and state them and your conclusion calmly and slowly.
OHSNAPJON 3 years ago
Thank you. Just what I was looking for, and opinion from an expert.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Is that sarcasm?
For one thing, correctly, you should have wrote "Just what I was looking for, AN opinion from an expert." Not "and".
Secondly, if you read both my posts, I mention in the second post that I am not an expert. I merely want to point out that someone viewing your video with a critical perspective might not see the relevance of the letter to the issue.
OHSNAPJON 3 years ago
See, you are an expert and an expert.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Why do you bring up the letter? Entirely unrelated. Sure, it took a while for the Defense Department to answer you. The Department that would control healthcare wouldn't be the Department of Defense......So you classify all parts of the government together and then try to use that as point in case for your opposition to universal healthcare. Try presenting facts about the issue, like average wait times per local population, or quality of care estimates.
OHSNAPJON 3 years ago
The sad thing is that it is meaningless what we think. We will probably get socialized medicine anyway. Get ready for a cross between the DMV and an HMO. You just have to be prepared to adapt to it and try to retain as much freedom as possible even though the average person prefers to live like a slave and thus creates a govt. which mirrors that wish.
lorax2013 3 years ago
Then it is up to us to educate the idiots who favor socialized medicine.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
This guy may seem a little insane but he's correct. Government subsidized healthcare is ultimately flawed and long lines are just the beggining. Healthcare reform is needed but not in the way of a complete universal healthcare overhall. Europe and Canada have gone down this road and its not as great as it seems. In Canada they tell you for planned surgery 'you can wait 3 months or goto the U.S. Basically you the taxpayer will be paying for others to receive there care and i dont think thats fair
thalake84 3 years ago
Perhaps I should back government run health care to get my insanity looked at.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Or perhaps you could make your video a little more clearcut and understandable to help sway your audience to your side. Maybe take out the Nazi propaganda so people don't misinterpret your point. I say this only because I agree with you and think what your trying to say here is correct.
thalake84 3 years ago
Thank you for your advice and well taken. If you notice, I have already eliminated those idiot Nazis from my latest videos.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Why would the government crack down on you? Ud get better pay from working for a private healthcare company rather than the public service so you may be taxed more but thats it
The government welcomes people using private companies for their healthcare it saves on resources for the public healthcare system. So if people have extra money and want a faster service is good for everyone involved they pay
Universal healthcare depends on competent governments and decent amount of funding to do well
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Well it shouldnt be :) The right to life is one of the most important freedoms any country can grant its citizens.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
um, have you ever been in a country that has free healthcare? i have never had to wait in a long line to see an italian doctor. and i never had to pay! yay!
pyratekow 3 years ago
ps (so i guess score one for fascism, huh?)
pyratekow 3 years ago
No, score one for you and your love of fascism.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Oh, so you don't have to pay taxes? The healthcare appears magically, and no one pays?
livefod 3 years ago
The government is horribly inefficient and fiscally irresponsible. If UHC is foist upon us, care inevitably will be scare and rationed. There will be endless, angry, and divisive political fights between classes of Americans. There will be a lobbying and campaign finance frenzy among the health care providers and pharmaceutical companies.
I would probably benefit a great deal personally from UHC. But I have no desire to profit from stolen money.
JiveDadson 3 years ago 4
Hear Hear! Finally someone who can see beyond the facade. I could be here all day describing the problems that would stem from a socialized system.
The worst part about any social program is they dont go away when you cant afford it or just dont want it anymore. They continue to grow like a malignant cancer.
Spectre11B 3 years ago 2
No UHC! I agree with you sir. Libery first
sig22045 3 years ago 2
This government is in collusion with the corporations. The FDA does not check anything anymore because the corporations are in collusion with the FDA, EPA, and what ever else the fascist corporations want. Your free market is an illusion. In a true free market all capital investments are allowed to cross borders. NAFTA is just a scam. Why cannot human capital cross borders just like the corporations can. Then we might have true and equal competition. No to tariffs,subsides,and import quotas
ManufacturedThoughts 4 years ago
"A nation without borders, is not a nation." -- Ronald Wilson Reagan
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
NAFTA removes borders for corporations so why not the people who work at the corporations. Your saying you rather have corporations with more power than the taxpayers?
ManufacturedThoughts 4 years ago
I am saying we need borders and I do not see the evil in corporations as you do.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Hi again, are you a Political Sience Professor? You sound like you are have been teaching. You seem very knowledgeable.
MomOfSailorOnUSSKH 4 years ago
Thank you for you kind words. Sorry, not a teacher, I retired from a large communications company. Our government, politics, and our constitution have always been a life long passion with me. I firmly believe in our constitution, capitalism, and the free market. As those three have made our country great, attacking the best from all over the world to migrate here, contributing to our success.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Very true
MomOfSailorOnUSSKH 4 years ago
Signing off:
The government has no responsibility to "help people out of poverty," they have the responsibility to help themselves. Again, there will always be rich people, poor people and those in between. The actions of them will affect whether they are dormant, progressive or regressive in that structure. It should not be determined by dominiant powers who succeedes and who fails. It is the responsibility of the individual.
TheBritishWatcher we must agree to disagree.
kstompaint 4 years ago
kstompaint: Wow, you comments are flawless! So I'm not the only one that thinks like I do. I re-read your comments and thought, "did I write that?" I wish you would post some videos to expand upon your insight. Understand due to political correctness we may be but a few who think like us, but never give up.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Prop- I don't feel like I have any insight, it's common sense (or at least it should be). We are not "few," we are the silent majority. To me, there is no concept as simple as taking care of yourself. Those who need help can get it via charity if the government allows us to keep enough of our money to do it. Anybody who doesn't feel the same way has no pride. Thanks for your video.
kstompaint 4 years ago
When the government pays for healthcare it means they have more of an incentive to improve peoples lives. They are able to influence the nation and attempt to restrict unhealthy action.
Preventitive health care is the best option for the future and works out cheaper in the long run.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
That is none of the governments business telling me how to live my life.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Agreed it does. Which is why the rich are entitled to pay money towards health insurance and pay for their medical bills to get the best service.
People who cant afford to pay health insurance and medical bills have a right to get treatment aswell.. sure its not as great but it is better than nothing.
If someone gets cancer, should their bill go up just for being ill?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
yes from tax payers, or it could just tell all channel providers that operate within the USA if they want to keep operating they will do a certain amount of public service broadcasting, Which would include putting a couple of minutes of a candidate talking in the run up to election.
Doesnt have to go on all channels, doesnt need to involve cable etc just the main regular ones. If thats not possible, just ban all political tv ads and people will have to watch the news more.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Thank you for that bit of history. I was never able to understand what caused healthcare to sky rocket. So it was legislation for the insurance companies. I'd have to look into that as to educate myself further. What did the legislation do? Thanks again for that info.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
competitive private health industry ables American people to get cure of the latest technology. no line high tech. work 2 days a month for this luxury! let them be private and keep in competition.
mezgit28 4 years ago
Theres always going to be corporations and businesses and ofcourse dont forget theres always the American people :)
Taxes have to be reasonable but some groups and big corporations could do with paying a little more that they wouldnt miss.
In the case of the USA id say cutting waste is more important.. u gotta stop the billions wasted by corrupt leaders on little projects in their home states to win support.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
I didnt say u had to pay. The important part is to stop the 100s of millions being spent on TV Ads. If Candidates cant advertise on tv and waste all that money they wont need such huge donations from corporations. Removing corporate America from politics would allow the USA to progress alot faster and not be held back by greed.
Less corruption is worth paying for, but ofcourse the government can get free tv ads if it wants.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Surely people should care about the other citizens in their country? Do u not want other Americans to have better lives?
One of the most important jobs of a government is to protect its citizens. That doesnt mean just paying for a huge military. It means providing essential services, Education, Fire protection, Crime prevention, and yes HEALTH CARE :)
Its what we pay taxes for =)
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
As Americans we are very generous and give more per capita to charities than any other nation. We believe such charities should be privately run. Funny, before the New Deal of the 1930's in America, no one went without food or medical care. Because such care was provided by private charities and the concept of individualism was stronger then.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Well im sure some people went with out food and medical care before 1930 ofcourse there wasnt much media back then so it wasnt in peoples faces.
America is a generous country, it does give alot of money to other nations and citizens also make large donations. but whats so bad about helping your own citizens have good healthcare.
The better the healthcare the better the health of the nation.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Believe me, no more went without food or healthcare before the 1930's than today in America. There was plenty of media then, newspapers. Major cities today in America have on or two newspapers. Then there were dozens per city. We help our citizens when in need but first there must be an attempt at individual responsibility.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
But there wasnt the internet or mass television media which brings the issue to our screens.
If someone pays taxes all their life, pays for insurance and works hard.. If they get cancer is it fair that the insurance company raises the price they must pay?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Now that is the free-market place you are questioning, not a topic of this video or the constitution. Sure it is no fair, but life is not fair. No one ever said life was fair. The same happens with auto insurance, the more traffic violations or accidents one has, the higher the insurance premiums. If it is okay with auto insurance, why not with health insurance?
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Medical care is a right market places and capitalism shouldnt come into this. If you cause an accident you deserve to pay higher insurance. If you are the victim then you shouldnt have to pay for someone elses mistake or crime.
Healthy people who do everything right to look after themselves can still get cancer.. they shouldnt be forced to pay more. Its just wrong to punish people for such things. The poor and the middle class suffer, whilst the rich have no problem paying.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Look at fire... its right people take individual responsibility by having a smoke detector or good electrics, but if their house catches fire we tell them to get out and call for help from the fire services.
You can take personal responsibility to prevent ur house being broken into. Locks on the doors and perhaps an alarm. if criminals do break in, people are told to call for help from the police.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
and?
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
They are not punish, if they get sick they then elect to participate in the heath system with its cost.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
If your family earns 2000 dollars a month and most of that money goes to pay bills and they are left with 100 dollars to spend on luxuries they dont have much choice.
Then if they get sick and their health insurance bill doubles or they must pay medical bills they are left with no money for luxuries or worse they have to cut back on essentials like food.
Sorry but that is a punishment for getting sick.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
If you don't like your financial standing, you have the freedom to change it. Socialized anything is stealing from me to provide for somebody else. That's just not right. If your family earns $2k a month and that's not enough for you, pick up an extra shift, start a side business or get a second job. That's how things get done. Capitalism produces innovation in medicine and everything else. Everybody should stand on their own two feet.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Then why do we have fire fighters, Police officers, and soldiers to help u? Why should other Americans go off and fight for you in Iraq, shouldnt u fight urself?
While i agree people shouldnt have children unless they are happy with their financial situation, but im sorry millions of american families suffer and thats unfair.
I guess it comes down to what type of person you are. Some people are more selfish than others.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
I resent your implication that I am "selfish." If we were allowed to keep the wealth that we earn, Americans would contribute more voluntarily via charity to assist those who are less fortunate. We should not be forced to do so, and the administrative waste from point a to b is unacceptable.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Obviously security needs to be provided by the government, that's the only thing constitutionally provided. The "pursuit of hapiness" was originally worded "the pursuit of property" but was changed due to the fact that slaves were considered property at the time. The government should assist me in protecting my property, not siezing it as a gift to another.
kstompaint 4 years ago
A government should help people to help themselves out of poverty it shouldnt just give hand outs that get people addicted to welfare and they along with everyone lose in the end.
Im sorry but Healthcare is the same as policing and fire fighting.. they are the 3 emergency services that everyone should be entitled to receive help from no matter what your wealth
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
The idea is knoble, in practice it does not work. What started as a helping hand has grown to generational public support. The government (public) is not obligated to help anybody do anything. Answer: Personal responsibility.
Healthcare is not as black and white as police and fire services. Socialized medicine would become the same as welfare. Those who are on the public dole have a sense of entitlement. They are not entitled to my money.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Well that depends on government leadership. There are many systems that do work investing in re educating and training people to get them back to work. Instead of being on welfare all their life or turning to crime.
Reducing poverty reduces crime, Investing in education and creating jobs may cost money but in the long term if you turn people into good citizens that pay taxes it works out better than leaving them to turn to crime which costs taxpayers billions to imprison them
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Great in theory, poor in practice. It's idealism.
kstompaint 4 years ago
lol its not poor in practice.. the current system u have in the USA clearly doesnt work. Why do u think the USA has over 2 million people in its prisons and jails. Poverty and failure of the government to provide decent education and oppurtunity for all has helped turn people to crime.
I would rather pay to educate someone so they can get a good job than have to pay for them having no job or turning to crime.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Why do we have so many in jail... Look at the stats on who is in there. There is a high population of illegal immigrants, so the failure there is obvious (lax border security). Canada has socialized medicine... and long lines. Those in Canada who need a desperate medical procedure and can afford to do so come to the U.S. and PAY for it. I'm glad you like the system you have. Please don't insert your 2 cents on ours. It has no bearing on you.
kstompaint 4 years ago
I dont understand why the USA hasnt done something about border security in the past. Illegals must be deported and the border secured, Kinda helps us in Britain the fact we are a small island with no land border to a poverty struck nation ;)
As for paying for healthcare, ofcourse. USA has one of the best healthcare systems in the world.. if u can afford it. I dont have to use the NHS here, i can pay private health insurance and get fast treatment. But everyones entitled to healthcare
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Everyone gets healthcare here! It's illegal to refuse them. I know, my wife works in a hospital. "USA has one of the best healthcare systems in the world" Thank you for acknowleging that fact (created in a free market capitalist economy).
kstompaint 4 years ago
I have no problem accepting that fact, so whilst the rich have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.. u have millions of Americans suffering because the system fails them. This is why you should provide a health service for all and allow rich people who can afford to pay private health insurance to use that (but they still gotta pay their taxes ;) )
Everyones entitled to emergency medical care, but i think its a bit deeper than reviving someone thats unconscious.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Somebody has to dig ditches, collect garbage, and sweep floors. I refuse to agree with the arguement that there should be no class structure. A doctor, lawyer, designer, retailer, garbage collector and a landscaper should all have the same lifestyle? NO!
kstompaint 4 years ago
I dont agree with that either, ofcourse there will always be rich and poor people.. christ im not a communist lol. Ofcourse a doctor that spends 10 years learning how to save lives contributes more to society than a garbage collector and deserves to be paid a better wage.
What im saying is every ones entitled to certain things. Good education, healthcare and oppurtunity should be considered a right, not a privilege for the elite.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Everyone is "entitled" (look it up) to what they provide for themselves. I am not obligated to provide you with education, healthcare, opportunity or food! Those who have those are not all "elite." Many are hard working, smart people who do for themselves. Pride is lacking among those who feel entitled.
kstompaint 4 years ago
As far as schooling... socialism fails yet again. Teacher's unions here ruin the system. If it were a capitalist controlled system, failing schools (and teachers) would disappear and thriving schools (and teachers) would prosper. Again, it's very simple.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Just because the US system has failed at things doesnt mean socialism always fails. I watched a documentary on youtube about a year ago on how the Teachers union protected incompetent teachers. I dont have a problem with teachers who cant teach being fired, they are employed to do a job. shouldnt matter who the employer is.
Now a capitalist system for teachers where good teachers get paid more is fine. U cant do that with schools coz the poor areas wouldnt attract good teachers.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
The "poor areas" aren't paying for "good teachers." Should my property taxes pay for teachers who are working in areas where my kids do not go to school? Creaping socialism again...
kstompaint 4 years ago
Your taxes should pay for every American citizen to get a good education. Im sorry but a 15 year old boy thats going through the education system right now can be conscripted into the US military if the country had such a need in a few years time.
If an American from any part of America can be forced to serve to defend U, why cant u be forced to pay a little bit towards his education?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Hmmm... a phrase "mind your own business" comes to mind.
kstompaint 4 years ago
If someone takes care of themselves and doesnt do anything to harm their body, doesnt smoke, doesnt drink, keeps fit ect, is it fair when they get cancer, is it their fault?
Is it fair that the person must pay a bill for going to the doctors and getting sick, is it fair their insurance costs are doubled because they are unlucky?
Im sorry but civilized nations look after their own people.. USA goes part of the way by providing Emergency medical treatment for all, u gotta take the next step :)
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Is it fair that I am forced to support you? NO! Again, stand on your own two feet. Insurance is available and it is not expensive for the basic service that covers catastrophic events (I know, because since I'm self-employed I had to buy it for myself before my wife became employed in the health care industry). Even those (like my wife) who have employer provided health care have to pay for it. On top of that, our taxes are being used to provide for others. That's wrong.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Lets look at blacks for a moment. Half the people in American prisons and jails are black, despite being less than 30% of the US population , why is that? Is it because black people are born bad?
We have to remember that black people were treated in a disgusting way only a few decades ago. Today things are equal but the past impacts on our present and future.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
I have owned no slaves. My grandfather owned no slaves. I have a friend who is black. He has not been a slave. His grandfather was not a slave. How many generations must pass before this reverse racism goes away? Those in prison (regardless of race) are there because they personally committed a crime. It's that simple. Personal responsibility is at the root of this whole discussion.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Im not talking about slavery although ofcourse we can go right back to the begining when reasonably educated white people traveled from europe to north America for better lives. While they came and had rights they also started to bring black slaves who had no rights and no education.
You can speak English because someone taught you. Was it your parents or a school? If it was ur parents, who taught them? If it was the school.. Who paid for it?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
The black Africans sold thier own people into slavery via tribal warfare. I hardly think that's the intent of the video being debated. Again, your opinion means little due to the fact that you don't even reside here.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Africans enslaved themselves long before white europeans came along but that doesnt change the fact they were slaves and had no education. Whilst white europeans traveled to America with a basic level of education.
It does have something to do with this video. you seem to think that people are totally to blame for their situation, with out considering other factors. you said "Or bad luck".. Well billions have bad luck.
Healthcare is a basic right, it shouldnt be dennied coz someone is unlucky
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
If you were black in America 50 years ago you had less rights than a white person did, which means you had less oppurtunity. So back then a black child growing up had very poor education, now today things are better although US public schools are hardly perfect.
That black child growing up in racist America who was failed by the system simply for the colour of their skin is an adult and probably has children. Is it any wonder many fail as parents?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
There are plenty of successful black Americans of all ages. You reap what you sow. Racism is but an excuse. In the U.S. (I understand your lack of ability to comprehend, since you are not a U.S. citizen), we can all pick ourselves up and do better. Relocate, go to school or sell hot dogs, there's no excuse for failure but lack of persistence.
kstompaint 4 years ago
But many Americans think the way i do. You know i love watching American politics because the two sides are so radically different it makes for great tv. Here politics is dull but the major parties agree on the main issues, they just have different ways of going about it.
I know many americans who work hard and deserve better lives. Sometimes people get lucky, many dont.. A civilized society helps those that need it.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Im sorry but it is a black and white issue. Healthcare is an essential service that every citizen should have a right to.
There are arguments about how to implement such a system, but if you start from the position that every citizen pays money towards a National Health Service that treats every citizen its a good start.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Food is more basic and definable than "healthcare" and even that is not a right. If you can't provide for yourself, and there is no charity to provide for you due to immense taxation, then you do not recieve. That "every citizen pays money towards a National Health Service" is a grand assumption. Those who are successful end up paying for those who are not.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Those who have gained the most from the USA being the rich nation it is today should pay more because they can afford to pay more. A billionaire has his money because poor americans go out and fight on his behalf. While u dont force that billionaire to fight, he should contribute fairly to help those below him.
As for food.. Everyone is entitled to such things and the government can provide grants and services to help those who have no food. If u have no job or money u can get help
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Socialism at its finest! The rich man is entitled to his money because it is his. Nobody is "entitled" to anybody else's property. "Grants and services" are provided by money that is forcibly taken from those who are successful. Such services should be provided by charities, which are better served by those who are allowed to profit from their inginuity and donate to said charity!
kstompaint 4 years ago
Those rich americans got rich because of oppurtunities open to them for being American citizens. Those rich Americans remain rich because poor Americans join the military and go out and give thier blood for them.
I dont see how those who have gained the most from society, should not pay more into society so every American has a better life.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Thank you. This ridiculous arguement is now over. You support socialism/communism. Even those who started with nothing and became rich are undeserving to you. Thankfully, you have no say in our system. Those who have gained the most "from society" (nevermind their own work and inginuity) should pay more? Ridiculous, they already do pay more!
I think you are just jealous, and it doesn't matter anyway because you are not an American. Butt out.
kstompaint 4 years ago
lmao. Those who start with nothing and become rich deserve respect, but they still have to pay their fair share towards society and the government.
As you say the rich already pay more.. which means im right. They should and do pay more than poorer people.
Yes im not American, but we shall see what happens during the next election, one day the US will be a more civilized nation. It does take time :)
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
More civilized? Please. Do you proport that we will be like you with no immigration laws (at least enforced), no rights for property owners, no reasonable gun ownership and an even larger welfare state than we already have? You and I have differing views on "civilized."
kstompaint 4 years ago
Nice chatting with you, have a good night.. God Bless America =)
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
God bless the U.K., you need it more.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Its true that if you tax less then some will give more to charity.. but not all do give and people shouldnt feel like they have to beg for something or depend on someone being generous.
Everyone that can afford to contribute to the health service should, those that cant afford to should not just be left to die they should be helped.
I agree government waste must be reduced, but we must remember life is the most important thing. We have no right to deny someone life simply for being poor.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
"people shouldnt feel like they have to beg for something or depend on someone being generous." But it's ok to depend on the govt to steal my money and give it to them?
"those that cant afford to should not just be left to die they should be helped." Agreed, but not by force.
People have the ability to rise from the bottom. If they can't realize that it is not the fault of those who do.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Being an American citizen gives you rights and responsibilities. Paying taxes is one of the responsibilities. That money should be used to provide services which helps american citizens and keeps the nation strong.
Not everyone can rise from the bottom, ofcourse there are a few success stories but millions remain living on the minimum wage and in poverty. Most people want better lives, to think its just because they dont try hard enough is unfair.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
There is a class structure, there always has been and there always will be. Those who do not rise in the structure have only themselves or bad luck to blame. I should not be held responsible to bail them out of either one any more than you should be held responsible to bail me out. If I try a new business venture, take a new job or relocate and it doesn't work out, it's MY responsibility to dig out. If you CHOOSE to help me, that's great but the government should not force you to do so.
kstompaint 4 years ago
"Only themselves or bad luck to blame"? lmao im glad u included the bad luck part, because billions seem to have that on this planet. If u waste all ur money then u are to blame but if u work every hour of every day trying to support a family and cant is it all ur fault?
This is a bit like healthcare. If you damage ur body by drinking or smoking u should pay more for ur helthcare. If you have done nothing wrong hows it fair to leave the person to suffer?
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
"if u work every hour of every day trying to support a family and cant is it all ur fault?"
Yes. If you can't support a family then you shouldn't have one. We all know what causes that and those who don't want, or can't support, a family should either not engage in those activities or take precautions otherwise. Again, personal responsibility.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Agreed but its still not always the persons fault. What happens if they have a child then the father who is the main earner for the household is killed?
Poverty in Africa would be hugely reduced if people stopped breeding. If you dont have enough money or food for urself u shouldnt have children.
But there are millions of examples where someones circumstances change, the person is not always to blame.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
"there are millions of examples where someones circumstances change, the person is not always to blame."
Agreed, but I'm also not to blame. Why should I be forced to absorb the cost? Allow charity to do so. Charity would be more effective if we were not raped of over half our wages.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Because u are an American citizen, with the rights and responsibilities that come with such citizenship. If you dont like having to pay taxes to the American government so it can help American people you have the right to leave the USA and put all ur money in a bank.
Rich people have choices, the poor have very few. Charaties would be better, sadly not enough people give up their time for such noble things.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
If u have 5 children and cant feed them, the person is going to get arrested for child neglect or abuse. If the family just lost the father and the woman was originally looking after the children and not working, hows she going to earn money. The life insurance payout wont cover the family expenses for long, shes going to need help.
Yes charity may offer her some help, if it doesnt the government should be there to protect her and the family.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
Charity would be more available if the government didn't forcibly remove our earned wealth. I have a freind who works in the U.S. welfare system. I hear first hand the abuses. I'd say it's 50/50. Some need it but alot are cheating the system. Like many things, some bad apples ruin it for the rest. A helping hand turns into generational dependence.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Some do abuse the system.. That happens in Britain too, You dont punish the people who do need help by stopping the service, u simply improve the system to prevent abuse and punish those that do.
We have alot of tv ads here reminding people that Benefit fruad is illegal and can result in a prison sentence
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago 2
Those who are proported to be helped are really only held down. They vote themselves pay raises and the circle continues. Greedy politicians exploiting the poor and keeping them down for their own benefit.
kstompaint 4 years ago
Depends on the system. Like i said b4 the government has to help people out of poverty, not just pay them welfare for the rest of their lives. Republicans and democrats have both failed the poor people of america in the past and im sure the next U.S President wont bring about huge change either.
U help people out of poverty by providing training, re education, and creating more jobs.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
You can take some personal responsibility to prevent getting sick. Staying healthy, not doing drugs, not drinking too much, not smoking etc. However you can do all of these things and still get ill.
When that happens you should be able to call for help just like you do with the other emergency services and not worry about being told you need to pay huge bills or are not entitled to the help you need.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago
If you cause the fire, you pay for the damage. If you cause bad health, you pay for that oo.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
and when ur not to blame for the bad health?
Theres a big debate here at the moment about restricting services to those that damage their bodies intentionally or forcing them to pay extra. I have no problem with that, infact id support it.
Some local health services here have told people who are obese they must lose weight or they wont be entitled to a service.
Thats totally fair.. u damage urself u should pay part of the fee, but millions who suffer are not to blame themselves.
TheBritishWatcher 4 years ago