Che Xing Yi 12 Animals

[shifudan]

@ukguy this is wrong assumption as in Dai Xinyi which is forefather to Xingyi, we do the oppositte as soft is focused on from the beginning, all elements are done very slowly as is squatting monkey etc

[ukguy]

@shifudan yes i agree internal cultivation is done slowly, but how can you fight softly and slowly? you have to be hard and fast to fight, at least at first until you reach the level where you can use the qi and yi together sufficiently and make the movements smaller. and squatting monkey is teaching how to contract and expand the body if you did it fast at first you would likely damage yourself or do it wrong, but it is practiced fast when you can do it correctly.

[shifudan]

@ukguy fighting is fighting, people with no training fight. I know what your saying , but most people who go into ima have a backround in something already, and most kids who learn xingyi or xinyi in china also learn shuai jiao and longfist etc, so its different. I hear ya on your views, but when i teach dai xinyi, my guys all learn sanda first or along side it. we us a xingyi sanda in beginning for self defense which somewhat differs from neijia. dai xy must be slow at first in my experience

[ukguy]

@shifudan thanks for your comments, also when i say hard i dont mean tense, which is what people misunderstand, i just mean alot of people do xing yi like it is taiji, which you should be soft and transform to hard, but xing yi is opposite, transform hard into soft, then you can be both at same time, what i mean by hard is aggressive and fast not yielding like taiji. i dont mean using muscular tensity like external MA.

[shifudan]

@ukguy no prob, i enjoy exchanging views with respect. When che yizhai bested guo yunshen its was being fast and nimble not powerful that gave him upperhand, hence why guo stayed to study with him. Their is those transformations you speak of but also strategy. A lighter guy must be softer and more tactical from the beginning of his training.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

Un-researched people who visually critque Xingyi and also Wing Chun believe it an external style of Martial Arts. If you have some ancient Internal MA Master's writings that, in context, oppose this view of Xingyi then I would ask that you refer it to me.... Thanks for the comment and I hope you take me up on my invitation.... G

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

@ukguy continued...

The Hard or External way is a Linear, Bone and Muscular way. Xingyi/Ba Gua/Taiji (Major Three) is the Curve, Nerve and Fascia Way. Through the internal way the softness of form becomes a hardness of function because the mind is calmed, breathing is continuous, agility is unified, body alignment begets intrinsic strength and the spirit is completed.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

@ukguy , I invite you to read my book and articles linked from my youtube channel. Although I am primarily an internal MA guy, I am a avid believer in training external styles like Boxing, Kickboxing and Grappling. Although more external than the other 2 major ones, Xingyi is an internal martial art. As such, the doctrine is soft before hard, to condition inside primarily and outside secondarily.

[ukguy]

@ANGELSGYMSINGH maybe you are just mis-informed.

Pretty much anyone which practices xing yi will knowthat there are three levels of skill. Ming Jin, An Jin and Hua Jin... Meaning obvious power, Hidden power, transformed power.

Xing yi is no more external or internal than anything else, simply the level you are practicing is different not the system.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

@ukguy Sifu Lin Jianhoua and Mike Garafolo, famous contemporary authors of external and internal MA would agree with your words concerning perception but not your definition of the art. It's original translation is Mind and Will Boxing and is considered by mainstream practitioners and scholars as"The Big Three Internal Martial Arts. In this sense one may begin practicing it with muscle and bone but this is its Tao.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

@ukguy Contention is sometimes the taijitu of gaining knowledge. I will agree with your statement concerning ability level and execution as yin and yang should be evident in an Internal Arts practitioner. It is the Yin (Soft) with is the aim and the corrective guideline in guiding students to cultivate form and function.

[DanBlabbers]

@ukguy No because the strength comes from Qi which is cultivated in the body internally.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

Ollyella, hard and fast are relative terms to one who is an elder of internal martial arts systems. A younger body would not be able to excecute the form as efficiently because the youth is what gets in the way of an evolved performance. Minimalist means efficiant and expediant... not lesser and weaker.

[0lyella]

i love watching the older guys do their forms, it seems so minimalist, i would love to see them with their current experience and younger bodies doing hard/fast versions

[YuJinLong]

Insightful comment.