I wish I could copy a billionaire's money, Oh well guess I'll steal. Support the theft Intellectual Prope.....I MEAN FREE SPEECH! And if you don't get it, FUCK MEGUPLOAD! LOL
If I could make unlimited, instantaneous, free, perfect copies of functioning metal bicycles, I wouldn't worry about copyright, either. I'd be too busy asking the Computer for "Tea, Earl Gray, Hot" and heading down to the Holodeck. Copyright has been the answer to the intersection between scarcity and non-scarcity, creating artificial scarcity for books and music so that those who create them can make a living in a world of scarcity. Alternatives?
@montsamu The era of plentiful has arrived. And yet the money system creates artificial scarcity, gives billions of dollars to very few and distributes wealth chaotically. Solution to this? Social responsibility, free internet and maybe even abolition of the money system as zeitgeist has suggested. Copyright is not an answer.It is the problem. Copyright has been designed to serve a tiny wealthy minority not the average artist.Like software patents. It does not protect the artist,It uses him/her
@montsamu The era of plentiful has arrived. And yet the money system creates artificial scarcity, gives billions of dollars to very few and distributes wealth chaotically. Solution to this? Social responsibility, free internet and maybe even abolition of the money system as zeitgeist has suggested. Copyright is not an answer.It is the problem. Copyright has been designed to serve a tiny wealthy minority not the average artist.Like software patents. It does not protect the artist,It uses him/her
@montsamu Alternatives? Grow the fuck up and accept that your chosen profession may not be a breadwinner. When does the government create artificial scarcity and thus demand for masturbators, then we can solve the unemployment crisis in a jiffy because everyone can do it.
But what about all of the wider implications of copying?! Ho about if everyone pirates a videogame, the developers aren't getting any money. same goes for musicians, film directors etc.. So copying is not theft, but you're indirectly taking money away from people...
@bajuriphd That's not true. Corporatists/Fascists hate this video. Capitalists see the benefit in copying. Copyright is a form protectionism set up by the government. Protectionism is a not a product of capitalism.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers you have a beautiful thoughtful answer mate..i am just wandering why FBI is the only one that bitching around about this thing? isnt FBI only came from US?
If you sneak into my library and take it without my permission, you are indeed a thief. You are indeed guilty of theft.
But suppose I give you permission to read my book? Suppose you take notes while reading? Suppose you jot down everything you read, word for word, in your notepad? Suppose instead of jotting everything down longhand, you photocopy it instead?
we should all just start stealing so these assholes companies really have something to complain about instead of finding shit to complain about because being rich isn't fun for them anymore.
there really is nothing illegal about copying, you are creating something from what you have, if a friend builds me a shelf modeled after ikea and gave it me thats ok right, it's just a bunch of garbage and manipulation of the tenements of the constitution. just ignorance.
Poetic.. but, not how our reality works. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if somebody said that whilst publishing a book you wrote, under their name.
@FickEntupp no actually I wouldn't they are COPYING something from you. Did Ringo Lam get angered at Quentin Taratino for Reservoir Dogs? No! He was amazed and even felt very much respected. You should think about these things more.
Umm, it IS logical. That's why stealing and copyright are two different things with different laws. Copyright isn't stealing otherwise the whole concept of copyright wouldn't exist and all we'd be left with is stealing.
There is a difference between copying something (which is quite literally the transfer of an idea, even in the case of copying a particular song or film) and stealing something. This is the point people need to start appreciating.
I have a boat idea that I have been told will CHANGE THE BOATING INDUSTRY.I have worked on my idea and concepts for years.I have been warned that people will want to steal it !!
GREAT,... I would like.... to see my idea spread and see people make lots of money renting out these boat kits or just build one cheaply for themselve's to enjoy.
Why do people have to be so gready and try to be a MONOPOLY when ideas should be shared.LOOK,WHY can't get rich on my idea and let others do the same ?
It's not like people who have bikes and share them. The most important thing is they sell bikes, and they need the money to make more bikes. If everyone shared the same bike, bikes would no longer be made. Is it fair? Should we blame cinema or music for being audiovisual material and being so easy to copy?
Come on, it has little to do with an old-fashioned business matter... I'ts obvious that everything must change with time, and that it's necessary to find new ways of earning money with culture. The Internet progress is inevitable, for music or cinema are audiovisual material. That's ok. But there's lots of multimedia ways of paying to the artists for what they do! If you put material in webs for people to download it in a free way, the artists will get no benefit at all. (it continues...)
If you want to live in a communistic society, please leave the west (or stay in China). Basically copying promotes the idea of stealing I.P. The original creator basically looses out for all the time and investment put in. Eventually the 'Creators' will stop creating as there is no incentive to create. System collapse. Hope you stay in your idealistic ivory tower.
@pinkkfloydd Actually if you are a pure Liberterian you are basically advocating Communism. If you believe that everyone is equal and no one's thoughts (=IP) have more value than others then that IS communism. Maybe you should read more about it.
BTW, most people think of Communism as a Fascist rule. The 'ideal' Communism is actually very different to reality. It is a nice idea but without reward, no one will be motivated to produce. It's been shown many times over that this is the case.
@pentachronic Anarcho-capitalism is communism? You need to pull your head out of your ass. I'm pretty sure you have never read any libertarian literature in your entire life. When the fuck do libertarians say everyone should be equal? Libertarianism is a philosophy that everyone should be FREE and that private property rights should be respected. Read up on private property rights. Read Kinsella at mises.org about how IP is antithetical to private property rights. Learn something.
No, it's really not. How can you say you own a particular arrangement of words, musical notes, or the like? Or a particular arrangement of code? Everything that can be pirated is an idea, because it is not solidified in the real world: it is a sequence of code, however complex, that can be copied.
So I ask, if I were, instead of going to the pirate bay and downloading the song, to reproduce every aspect of Eminem's "Stan" independently (but exactly!), would that constitute theft?
@rockstarofredondo Not exactly. It's a Creative Commons license. It's new and it's easy to miss. If you're not sure what CC is the wikipedia article is very informative. I'd rather there be no IP law but, CC at least is an alternative.
It's about anti freedom. People educate yourselves on the Patriot act, and the NDAA. PLEASE. These may not affect your damn games, but they take away your freedoms.
you copyright maniacs do realize that people would buy music if it was cheap enough and convenient enough, like lossless albums <$5 ... there is a reason blu-rays nosedived from 30 dollars, down.
Shouldnt the way that someone advertises their music be up to the owner rather than some random person who chooses to give it away to family and friends?
But imagine you slogged your guts out writing an awesome game to sell so you can feed your family and a bunch of people ripped it off and gave it away for free. Wouldn't you feel like you are being robbed ? Not to mention surfing the internet and seeing videos saying how there is nothing wrong with piracy to rub your face in it. Ignoring the the greedy media companies charging ridiculous pricing for media you have to admit that everyone has a right to receive money for their labour.
@drunifex No one has a "right to receive money" for the same labor, over & over & over. That would be equivalent to demanding your employer pay you repeatedly for the same work week.
@rockstarofredondo Your analogy is incorrect. Using your analogy then every song, would cost 40,000 dollars and every movie somewhere in the order of 50,000,000 dollars. Every piece of software would be in the order of 100k to 100,000,000 dollars. The way this works is everyone pays a bit and together they pay the artists, actors, programmers.
@rockstarofredondo well just look at the peering records for various downloads. But apart from that if you put up a brand new desirable game onto bit torrent how many people do you think are going to download it for free?
@drunifex You cannot force people to pay for the same service, good or idea more than one time. If I want to share something I paid for by making a copy of it & sending it to someone else via whatever means available, that is my right as the owner of the property I paid for when I made the purchase. It doesn't matter if filthy rich movie producer execs are upset that they can't control what we do with a thing once we've bought it.
@rockstarofredondo You are licensing the intellectual property you are not the owner. Besides most piracy is someone taking stolen IP and passing it on to another so those people have no right to pass it on even by your definition.
You are not being asked to pay for the same service more than one time (other than if you buy the dvd then the bluray version which annoys me when they are no different). Other people are being asked to pay for the license to the IP.
@rockstarofredondo I am curious. Ignoring the greedy people between you and the actual people that create the IP how would you support the creation of their products? In the end its about how those people who make intangible goods get paid for their work. Human nature being what it is people are not in general going to pay for what they can get for free.
@drunifex Sharing & making copies of something is NOT stealing. The word stealing already has a definition & control freak govfags don't get to redefine it. Stealing is the act of forcibly or coercively removing one's private property from his possession. The people who write bills like SOPA are, ironically, stealing, because they forcibly remove private property from people (&call it taxation). Authors & supporters in govt of SOPA are hypocritical criminals full of nerve in what they do to us.
@drunifex The primary question is, what is "intellectual property?" How do you own an idea? Suppose I came up with the phrasing "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" before the American Declaration of Independence were made. Should I be granted some sort of "right" to this expression?
Fuck no! You can't own an idea. Fundamentally, it makes no sense. And, as a final aside: studies show that pirates pay for more music than any other group.
@KalROFL Fair comment however, we are talking something more concrete than that (even though some copyright owners try to own such basic ideas). We are talking music, software and movies. That is IP.
In the Music, Software and Movie industry, EVERYONE is subject to Piracy... THIS IS NORMAL in the Modern age... Regardless of Piracy, These industries still make BILLIONS of Dollars.
I am not willing to give up my right to watch what I want to watch just because some greedy assholes in the entertainment industry are loosing a money, as if they are no longer able to feed their families. Come on! That's ridiculous...
Getting rid of Copyrights will get rid of Piracy... Maybe try that?
@SamuelJoaodaSuica murder was quite normal in the middle ages. That does not make it a good thing. So your justifying stealing IP because the owners are assholes? If that lets you sleep at night your welcome to it.
Getting rid of copyright hmmmm how will that get the people who actually created the content some income? We would go from overpriced IP to effectively free IP where no one would get any money for it. Im sure that would support the industry.
@drunifex Dude, shut up already. I've explained this to you: there is no such thing as intellectual property. You cannot own an idea. You cannot say "this sequence of musical notes belongs to me." It doesn't. Make. Sense.
@KalROFL so you can't successfully justify your theft of other peoples property so you resort to attempting to shut up the opposition. Congratulations. I no longer need to argue with you as you obviously can't fathom that people deserve to be paid for their work. Arguments like yours just make it impossible for any reasonable copyright law to exist. Everytime someone makes the argument everything should be free it just hardens the line of the copyright holders as they try to protect themselves
@drunifex It's not theft because it's not property. That's the point. Do people deserve to be paid for their work? Yes. Does that mean the idea they've created belongs to them? No.
@KalROFL Your concept is all wrong. It IS property. Look at the song in the video. It was written by Nina Paley, and she indicates that in it, meaning she wants to be credited for it. A song is concrete product, the brainchild of its author. If ideas don't belong to their respective authors, what are they?
Ideas are as free as the Air we breath... You can put your name on an idea, but to be angry when others use it is completely wrong. Besides, the world can survive without professional entertainment.
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Okay, ideas are free. You're right if you say that it's wrong to tell someone that they can't think this or that. But when these ideas are transformed into concrete work, such as songs or paintings, the author has rights over it, whether other people like it or not. Can you give me an example of rightful usage of somebody else's works? And also, what do you mean with "the world can survive without professional entertainment"?
@retanoab Cover songs. Repainting the painting, or interpreting it. I personally think that copyrights at least where music is concerned should be moot after a certain point, like after the musician dies, so that people can actually listen to old music without either, paying out the ass for some rare ep or having to search for old vynls.
unless of course said music is still in active production, but such is not the case. It's nigh impossible to find certain old blues, folk, and jazz tunes anymore. And then when you do find them, it's either through a torrent (illegal) or ebay or someshit (through the roof expensive)
@BornRuffian1 I agree with downloading stuff that's not under production. E.g, i don't agree with downloading movies while they're still on theaters, but after going out, could be done. Makes it easy to find rarities. As to dropping copyrights as soon as artists die, a Simpson's episode shows it, where Homer is hired by a publicity agency to murder celebrities for their image to be used in advertisement for free. Sure it's comedy, but it does make some sense. Gotta have at least some time for it
@kronicoutbreak Let's see: no point to be made, arguments, no discussion, no importance...and if you had intelligence enough to make a sentence with at least 10 different words, you'd have done so by now. So you're not offended by anything , you're just plain stupid. And then, what if i don't, are you gonna force me to listen to that crap you post on your channel?
@retanoab you couldnt offend a fuckin pre schooler douchebag, ya prolly just some fuckin yanky bastard sittin around jackin some nigger dick till ya drown in his cum.... and what the fuck is your name idk ima call you RETARD because thats what it looks like im reading
@BornRuffian1 I do agree with cover songs and interpretations, and there are legal ways to do it. But if you release a cover commercially, the original artist must approve it. Otherwise, Nina's song could be slightly altered and become SOPA's anthem. I bet she'd intervein, saying she didn't grant permission for it, thus revindicating her rights over it. That's my point of view, copyrights exist as they should, but they can be loosened up with proper agreements with the authors, not by force.
I mean that if people make "free entertainment" without copy rights, there won't be any piracy... People can make movies and songs as a hobby instead of a profession... But now I realize that would cost the US economy a lot of money, so throw that idea out of the window...
I think using someone's else's work in the form of a parody or commentary is acceptable. I also believe that showing someone's else's work as long as credit is given to him in the credits, is also acceptable...
@retanoab She wants credit, not money, and she doesn't care that others have reposted and manipulated the song (example, adding subtitles). In fact, she'll be thrilled if its goes viral, all without earning a cent.
@withastone I never said she wanted money. All i said is that she wrote the song and indicate it. And though she's okay with people copying and changing her work, what i meant is that i'm pretty sure she wouldn't be pleased if someone presented this work as being theirs, saying "i wrote this", as stealing the credits.
Ok, First of all I meant ONLY that getting rid of copyright laws would automatically get rid of this so called "piracy"...
Secondly, this is not "stealing IP", it's COPYING... It's like if I saw someone's car and instantly produced a copy of it for myself... It's not stealing, it's copying.
Thirdly, I was joking about getting rid of Copyright laws (OBVIOUSLY), what I said was the equivalent of the way to End World Hunger and Poverty would be to execute all those who suffer from it.
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Thats arguing semantics. Personally I don't care what its called. To further your analogy of a car. Its more like you had someone who was going to buy a car and they now can get a copy for free. This is costing the IP owner the income he could have derived from the work. It really comes down to if people can get it for free why would they pay for it. How does the owner of the IP compete with free?
@drunifex The next reply from most people is "but most people would never have bought it anyway". I have no doubt that is true. However, there are going to be some percentage that will not buy it because they got it for free. This is the crux of the matter how do we get money to the people who deserve it when people are getting it for free? There is also the thought that if everyone has a copy for free the work is devalued.
Well, look at the Entertainment industry today... They maybe loosing a lot of money to this so called "piracy", however, I don't see them starving... They still earn in the Billions of dollars, and I doubt any of them are loosing so much money that they can't feed their families...
If "piracy" effects everyone almost "equally" you will just have to learn to adapt to a world with it and adjust your business model accordingly... The Entertainment Industry still earns A LOT regardless!
Everything in our civilization is copied from something else. If the wheel had been copyrighted and laws had passed to protect their creators we would still be in the stone-age.
Did you know that they are making it impossible to share a video game with your friend now? They have given lots of games product keys like they did with computer games making it so that once you buy a game, input the code into your own system and play then it's impossible to play that game on another system. Looks like sharing is now a crime. It's not caring according to them it's malicious and criminal.
It's kind of hard to believe such a self serving argument when really all pirates want is free stuff. It doesn't particularly matter what excuse you choose to make.
Also, how many of you were mad about the Federal bailouts? All they did was COPY THE MONEY, BRO.
Copyrights and patents create incentives to innovate. The problem occurs when the copyright/patent laws are simply given to mono/oligopolies to create, and then they simply use it to stifle innovation for their own benefit. As other posters have mentioned, it is a long explanation that won't fit in Youtube comments, but I would suggest educating yourself on the matter if you do not wish to be one of the people killing innovation, and therefore hurting the future.
@VentureJI Maybe campy, but it makes a valid point - that we have to look at this issue as something different, sicne it really is - and that the issue is being distracted by the mixing up of these two concepts to make a point.
This is a fantastically ignorant and entitled way of justifying theft, coming from someone whose only interest is not paying for luxury goods. Bravo, my brothers, keep fighting the good fight. How dare those satanic corporations and their thousands of middle and lower-class workers keep their expensively produced luxury goods from you!
@Quiraen I will not try to sweet-talk infringing copyright, because I do in fact believe it is wrong. However, the market is demanding different ways of being served, and the companies won't service us. It is only logical that the companies are shunned for their lack of service. Until the market gets the service they want, this will be a problem. Spotify, Apple Store and Steam are good starts, but for me there is no easy way to access content I want, except through illegal sources.
@ChibbyTraxX I agree perfectly with the first half of your comment. If companies aren't up to scratch, by all means, shun them. I do, however, disagree with the mentality of "if they won't give me want I want I'll take it". Those programs you named don't provide any new content, they just provide it in a different way. There is no justification for stealing something because you believe the price of it is unfair.
@Quiraen part of my point indeed. But the anonymity on the internet makes it real easy to ignore your moral compass and do it anyway. I'm still not saying it's good, mind you, but it happens. That said, give us ways to access the content we want, for a reasonable price, and most of us will not have a reason to pirate anymore. In my opinion, the large media corporations brought it on themselves for not embracing new technologies. If they had piracy would not be nearly as big an issue.
@ChibbyTraxX Once again, I'm stuck on the second half of your post. If a company is not providing what their consumers want, they don't make as much money. That motivates change. The same content is available everywhere. The only real sticking point is the price, which brings us back to the idea that piracy is only about avoiding paying. You can't justify stealing because they won't give you what you want how you want it. No one pirates for moral reasons; those are justifications for greed.
@Quiraen Seriously, give me access to content I want to consume whenever and wherever I want, and I would gladly pay for it. I am waiting for the moment that some corporation creates an acceptable subscriber service for that. I hear netflix does a deent job, but as that is yet unavailable to me. Of course I would research them for the content they can deliver for their (very decent) subscription fee, but I look forward to their expanding to where I live...
@ChibbyTraxX I agree with the need, but I don't see how a lack of the wanted service justifies piracy. These are luxury goods. No matter how inadequate the selection you're offered, walking away will cause you no harm.
"This is a fantastically ignorant and entitled way of justifying theft,"
The initial point in this video is spot on - and pointing it out is nothing of the sort. What the end of the video may evolve into, maybe, but not the differentiation in the first place.
@travelsonic The differentiation between copying and theft is a valid point semantically. I admit that. However, its most obvious use is justifying online piracy, which I do strongly object to.
That's OK if you want to share your work, but what happens when your work puts food on your table and people starts copying it instead of buying it? Are you entitled to the profit from your work? Is personal creativity a collective resource and not a personal trait that can help you live a conformable life?
I'm going to bet that the people that agree with this song have never tried to make a living doing something that involves intellectual property (research and development, art, etc.) An apparently long explanation is needed, and it simply won't fit into 500 characters. Suffice to say that doing something you love simply because you love doing it, doesn't feed you, and it doesn't give you a place to live.
@bluescape It's going to be difficult for content creators, but...so what? The world changed with the introduction of the internet. I'm sure the invention of the car was terrible for horse and buggy manufacturers.
Technology has an air of inevitability. You're either a part of the steamroller or part of the road.
@CristinaFernandez The horse and buggy/car parallel, although commonly used, is extremely faulty. When automobiles appeared there was still money in creating means of transportation, it had simply shifted. Copying removes profitability from the source product. Assuming that everyone copied, there would be no monetary influx and so the source product would dry up (ie there would no longer be things to copy).
@bluescape There is no way to disagree with this song, as it simply states that copying is not theft. You're referring to the bigger issue of copying copyrighted material/intellectial property. I agree that copying those without permission is an offense. However, it is not, and never should be called, theft. However, give me the means to do what I can with pirated material legally and for a decent fee, and piracy will diminish. Failing to do so will keep pirates in business.
@ChibbyTraxX Call it what you will, but it is theft. Also, the premise of the song is heavy-handedly inferred. You don't seem unintelligent; it seems a logical assumption that someone with an account named "questioncopyright" posting a song that is about copying that depicts characters dancing with cds/dvds is definitely referring to copyright. It certainly isn't about xeroxing a textbook for studying.
@bluescape I agree that we're talking about copyright here. One might even assume copyright infringement is implied, but that's not the discussion. The subject at hand is that copying digital property is not theft. The definition of theft is taking something that does not belong to you. If I steal something from you, I have one more something, and you have one less something. If I copy something from you, I have one more something, but you do not have one less something.
@ChibbyTraxX An economy is based upon the exchange of goods and services. A chef, a maid, an artist, a musician, a babysitter; all are services and all deserve compensation. Indeed none of those involve anyone having any "one less tangible object" as you are fond of putting forth, but the compensation is what allows those occupations to exist as that compensation is then turned into other goods/services. If this were not in place, we would all have to be farmers that built our own homes.
@bluescape I will ignore the fact that you keep shifting the subject, mostly because services is a point not previously discussed here. One can not so much as steal a service, you can merely not pay for it. This is not theft, but is, like copying illegally, a crime. For the rest, I completely agree with you. I'm not opposing you, I'm on your side. I just dislike the fact that certain terms get mixed up.
@ChibbyTraxX For me the subject never shifted as I view art in the realm of this subject a service. A painter produces a tangible good, but a 3D modeler makes something intangible for use in media. If I were to divide things only into the goods or services categories I would put the modeler as someone doing a service.
@ChibbyTraxX Insofar as your semantics hang up, it really is that, simply semantics. If someone is an identity thief, I still have my identity if they steal it. Piracy is the other common term, but certainly no one in 1999 was sailing a caravel up to napster to dig up some songs. It's a fairly new set of crimes for which we grandfathered in some old terms that meant the illegal acquisition of something not paid for.
@bluescape Ah, now I see where I misinterpreted you. I see digitally created products as product, not service. imho this is amatter of perspective, but now I see where you're coming from. Also, it is indeed semantics. I happen to find semantics fairly important. As a web programmer semantics are always part of what I do, and I will apply this irl aswell.
@InvincibleNumanist You should look up what monopoly means. The other thing you should do is follow your logic to its end (everyone doing it). If that were the case, every artist would do "something else" simply out of necessity. We all need to eat, and have a place to sleep.
I.P is one of the four monopolies highlighted by Benjamin Tucker over 100 years ago.
sorry, youre not entitled to a privileged status. Next time you complain that we all need to eat and have a place to sleep, make sure youre not carpooling because think of all of those poor bus drivers out of work because youre copying their transport service.
Sorry, artists dont deserve the money they get. And the proof they dont deserve the money is the fact that so few people are willing to pay.
@InvincibleNumanist Tucker is an individual anarchist that subscribed to the idea that might made right. The fact that you subscribe to his school of thought already puts you diametrically opposed to society as a whole. Essentially you favor possible violations of individual liberties by individuals over possible violations by a larger organization.
@InvincibleNumanist In regards to your statement about artists deserving no compensation based on the fact that people are not willing to compensate is a fallacy. Artists would deserve no compensation if there was no desire for their work. Given that there is a desire to steal it; there is a demand, and therefore they deserve compensation.
He believed in equal liberty, the might makes right business was a statement of fact, not a statement of normative ethics. (and i found his stirnerite egoism highly fallacious tbh, not his strongest point)
And who sets how much compensation they should get for it? The producer? Fine, but if nobody is willing to pay that much money for it, and they can get it for free without actually depriving the producer of his ability to sell, then tough shit. As per my carpooling example.
@bluescape You need a better argument than this to suggest that we shouldn't be pirates. If I were to say "if everyone drives himself where he needs to go, my taxi company won't survive," that's no reason for me to remove your personal freedom to copy data.
Also, the reality is that people are no longer selling digital products, and now selling services, because the internet is an innovation that has changed things, just as the personal freezer removed the need for ubiquitous ice vendors.
@bluescape To clarify on my second statement, look at services like Steam and League of Legends. The former offers games anyone can pirate with almost no effort, and yet is overwhelmingly successful. The reason for its success is because it offers a service people consider useful. League of Legends is free to play, and yet it makes A LOT of fucking money. Again, it offers a service. Piracy has a small impact on the former, and NO IMPACT on the latter.
It's tragic that people can't pay the bills, but you need to get with the times and adjust your business model to the modern age. You can't expect the government to artificially keep your industry alive. This would be like the government placing contrived limitations on Ford solely to insure that producers of horse carriages did not go out of business. It's money grubbing nonsense.
@bluescape Your argument makes no sense because anyone who creates intellectual property has already copied from others but instead of calling it copying they call it influence. NOTHING IS ORIGINAL. If you can name one artist, musician or filmmaker who is now starving and in the poor house because of piracy I will gladly verify your point.
@bluescape ok, let's suppose you create a song, and buy the rights of it. you promote it with your close friends and family and those people you're sharing it to, can't share it, because they don't own the copyrights. Therefore noone gets to know it, your song gets nowhere and it doesn't feed you nor give you a place to live.
Great video with a catchy song and important message! :D
Greetings from Germany.
(The politicans tried to initiate censorship (Websperren) and are currently trying to pass a bill that allows storage and observation of internet communication (Vorratsdatenspeicherung.)
@zalgrad85 If the creator has chosen to give the song away that is freaking awesome good for them. But if the artist wishes to sell the work that they have created then they should be allowed to do it without being robbed by a cheapskae.
@zalgrad85 I am not joking I dont pirate ever. You wanna know why.....BECAUSE.....I.....AM.....NOT.....A.....THEIF. GOT IT!!! Oh and by the way corporations are not sucking my blood nor are they sucking my wallet or my knowledge. OH AND BY THE WAY IT STILL IS STEALING BECAUSE YOU ARE CREATING ONE MORE THAN SHOULD HAVE EXISTED WICH IS ONE LESS DOLLAR THAN THE CREATOR HAD. Now tell me what do you do for a living? do you create? do you write? which one is it? Oh and I AM NOT A TROLL!! im serious.
Fuck yeah! Never bought any software and never will! Piracy for the fucking win! Those greedy lazy shitty companies are just dumb to blame everything on us because their game was too shit to sell good!
@zalgrad85 What makes you think they are greedy? Whas it all the socialists and communists you live around and were taught by? Because, even if it wasn't good stuff in the first place that doesn't matter. Again you are a just a petty little insignificant theif never really loved or taught by anyone. That or you are just really stupid. However with your language and your lack of self confidence and creative thinking leads me to believe it is a mixture of both.
@Adamrc98 When you can speak hungarian fluently, then you can talk little man. OOOOO big words from MR I DONT PIRATE ANYTHING...don't lie...I know you do! Everybody does! Btw it's not stealing since I didn't take it away dumbass. Sigh stop trolling and realise the corporations are just sucking your blood. Speaking of corporations: 3words: EA and ACTIVISION
@Quiraen that everybody does it. Piracy won't be defeated aslong we have the internet or any other recording software. Oh the time of renting a VHS tape and then recording the video to a different tape using another VCR. Those were the good old days:)
@zalgrad85 Thank you for pointing out that piracy is prevalent and hard to prevent.
I'm not sure if you're trying to argue "it's okay because everyone does it" or you've just given up on reasonable dialogue and are trying to rub it in that piracy happens.
@Quiraen I don't think there is an argument here. I'm not hiding that I pirate. Truth is, about 90% of my stuff comes from illegal downloads. Music, games, software. I do everything in my power to get things for free or at the very least cheaper than usual
@zalgrad85 I don't think there was ever a question of you hiding your activities. And it seems that you're admitting that your true motive in this is merely not wanting to pay for a product.
@Quiraen you are absolutelly correct. Also no matter what anybody says why they do it (try it out, punish company) the truth is simple: free to get.:)
lol
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L2HAXRS 1 day ago
Nice
MrAbeGunnerZ 2 days ago
nice and weird
Prophsmag 2 days ago
I wish I could copy a billionaire's money, Oh well guess I'll steal. Support the theft Intellectual Prope.....I MEAN FREE SPEECH! And if you don't get it, FUCK MEGUPLOAD! LOL
Doongie4ever 2 days ago
@Doongie4ever Take your pills.
khunag 13 hours ago
If I could make unlimited, instantaneous, free, perfect copies of functioning metal bicycles, I wouldn't worry about copyright, either. I'd be too busy asking the Computer for "Tea, Earl Gray, Hot" and heading down to the Holodeck. Copyright has been the answer to the intersection between scarcity and non-scarcity, creating artificial scarcity for books and music so that those who create them can make a living in a world of scarcity. Alternatives?
montsamu 3 days ago
@montsamu The era of plentiful has arrived. And yet the money system creates artificial scarcity, gives billions of dollars to very few and distributes wealth chaotically. Solution to this? Social responsibility, free internet and maybe even abolition of the money system as zeitgeist has suggested. Copyright is not an answer.It is the problem. Copyright has been designed to serve a tiny wealthy minority not the average artist.Like software patents. It does not protect the artist,It uses him/her
overthrowtheIMFjunta 2 days ago
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@montsamu The era of plentiful has arrived. And yet the money system creates artificial scarcity, gives billions of dollars to very few and distributes wealth chaotically. Solution to this? Social responsibility, free internet and maybe even abolition of the money system as zeitgeist has suggested. Copyright is not an answer.It is the problem. Copyright has been designed to serve a tiny wealthy minority not the average artist.Like software patents. It does not protect the artist,It uses him/her
overthrowtheIMFjunta 2 days ago
@montsamu Alternatives? Grow the fuck up and accept that your chosen profession may not be a breadwinner. When does the government create artificial scarcity and thus demand for masturbators, then we can solve the unemployment crisis in a jiffy because everyone can do it.
ZarathustraDK 1 day ago
I bet the person who made this is the same type of guy who gets butthurt when someone asks for his homework.
limozeen64 3 days ago
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But what about all of the wider implications of copying?! Ho about if everyone pirates a videogame, the developers aren't getting any money. same goes for musicians, film directors etc.. So copying is not theft, but you're indirectly taking money away from people...
Jordannadroj20 4 days ago
Hm, yes, it's not "theft" but "legal or illegal copying".
Nurgle777 4 days ago
Capitalist hates this video..
bajuriphd 4 days ago
@bajuriphd That's not true. Corporatists/Fascists hate this video. Capitalists see the benefit in copying. Copyright is a form protectionism set up by the government. Protectionism is a not a product of capitalism.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 4 days ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers you have a beautiful thoughtful answer mate..i am just wandering why FBI is the only one that bitching around about this thing? isnt FBI only came from US?
bajuriphd 3 days ago
how many Hollywood movies being remade?
bajuriphd 4 days ago
The ANSWER to stopping SOPA and PIPA!
0hvist 4 days ago
Why is MEGAUPLOAD down is it not theft?!
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eahaddixscomments 5 days ago
If I buy a book, the book is mine.
If you sneak into my library and take it without my permission, you are indeed a thief. You are indeed guilty of theft.
But suppose I give you permission to read my book? Suppose you take notes while reading? Suppose you jot down everything you read, word for word, in your notepad? Suppose instead of jotting everything down longhand, you photocopy it instead?
Where exactly is the "theft?"
The answer: Nowhere!
thechinadesk 5 days ago 7
we should all just start stealing so these assholes companies really have something to complain about instead of finding shit to complain about because being rich isn't fun for them anymore.
thefriendsociety 5 days ago
Problem Lamar?
geromd91 5 days ago
I think we can have 1M views.
geepou 5 days ago
Lol this should be in the front page of pirate bay
WindedNumber1 6 days ago
there really is nothing illegal about copying, you are creating something from what you have, if a friend builds me a shelf modeled after ikea and gave it me thats ok right, it's just a bunch of garbage and manipulation of the tenements of the constitution. just ignorance.
natqoh 6 days ago
I used to think that copying was theft, but then I took an arrow to the kn-
wait that joke isn't fun anymore
oh well, I think if you come up with a great idea for a product, you deserve compensation for it.
but how to handle "piracy", I don't know, I am not politically smart enough for this matter :/
schootingstarr 6 days ago
Agreed, it's not theft. But that doesn't make it morally A-okay.
AcerbicMaelin 6 days ago
@AcerbicMaelin
It's not morally A-okay for the Entertainment industry to monopolize either, but they still do it, so why should we respect them???
SamuelJoaodaSuica 6 days ago
@AcerbicMaelin assuming morals weren't subjective, it would be far worse to financially support the RIAA or MPAA by buying it.
awesomelyshiny 6 days ago
I pirate.. and I disagree with this.
The logic that "it's not stealing, it's copying" is fucking stupid.
FickEntupp 1 week ago
Ideas, words, melodies, etc., are not property. They are intangible. You cannot steal them because no one owns them to begin with.
pinkkfloydd 1 week ago
@pinkkfloydd
Poetic.. but, not how our reality works. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if somebody said that whilst publishing a book you wrote, under their name.
FickEntupp 1 week ago
@FickEntupp Sorry, property rights trump hurt feelings. Forever and always.
pinkkfloydd 6 days ago
@FickEntupp no actually I wouldn't they are COPYING something from you. Did Ringo Lam get angered at Quentin Taratino for Reservoir Dogs? No! He was amazed and even felt very much respected. You should think about these things more.
thefriendsociety 5 days ago
@FickEntupp
Umm, it IS logical. That's why stealing and copyright are two different things with different laws. Copyright isn't stealing otherwise the whole concept of copyright wouldn't exist and all we'd be left with is stealing.
gvmeabrk12345 6 days ago
There is a difference between copying something (which is quite literally the transfer of an idea, even in the case of copying a particular song or film) and stealing something. This is the point people need to start appreciating.
KalROFL 1 week ago 16
And Laamar Smith didn't understood
sakuteam1 1 week ago
Take your S.O.P.A. and put it into your A.S.S
estupidosdemierdable 1 week ago
ONE OF MY FAVORITE VIDEOS OF ALL TIME EVER! JUST LEAVES ME FEELING HAPPY EACH TIME I WATCH IT! :)
skabbymuff111 1 week ago
548 people are just don't know how to copying things
NobitaPaul 1 week ago
So is this the "free loaders" channel?
Travelswithdan 1 week ago
I have a boat idea that I have been told will CHANGE THE BOATING INDUSTRY.I have worked on my idea and concepts for years.I have been warned that people will want to steal it !!
GREAT,... I would like.... to see my idea spread and see people make lots of money renting out these boat kits or just build one cheaply for themselve's to enjoy.
Why do people have to be so gready and try to be a MONOPOLY when ideas should be shared.LOOK,WHY can't get rich on my idea and let others do the same ?
RETIREMESOON 1 week ago
Dear US Govement... why so Censored on Megupload?
ycaruzob 1 week ago 40
awesome. THE WORLD NEEDS TO SHARE ITS RESOURCES!
tr75out 1 week ago
It's not like people who have bikes and share them. The most important thing is they sell bikes, and they need the money to make more bikes. If everyone shared the same bike, bikes would no longer be made. Is it fair? Should we blame cinema or music for being audiovisual material and being so easy to copy?
paristexas88 1 week ago
Come on, it has little to do with an old-fashioned business matter... I'ts obvious that everything must change with time, and that it's necessary to find new ways of earning money with culture. The Internet progress is inevitable, for music or cinema are audiovisual material. That's ok. But there's lots of multimedia ways of paying to the artists for what they do! If you put material in webs for people to download it in a free way, the artists will get no benefit at all. (it continues...)
paristexas88 1 week ago
Instead of Approving SOPA, why not just get RID of Copyright Laws? That gets rid of "piracy" COMPLETELY!!!
SamuelJoaodaSuica 1 week ago 2
If you want to live in a communistic society, please leave the west (or stay in China). Basically copying promotes the idea of stealing I.P. The original creator basically looses out for all the time and investment put in. Eventually the 'Creators' will stop creating as there is no incentive to create. System collapse. Hope you stay in your idealistic ivory tower.
pentachronic 1 week ago
@pentachronic Sorry, but IP is a mockery of private property rights. Many libertarians are against the notion of IP, are they communists, too?
pinkkfloydd 1 week ago
@pinkkfloydd Actually if you are a pure Liberterian you are basically advocating Communism. If you believe that everyone is equal and no one's thoughts (=IP) have more value than others then that IS communism. Maybe you should read more about it.
pentachronic 1 week ago
BTW, most people think of Communism as a Fascist rule. The 'ideal' Communism is actually very different to reality. It is a nice idea but without reward, no one will be motivated to produce. It's been shown many times over that this is the case.
pentachronic 1 week ago
@pentachronic Anarcho-capitalism is communism? You need to pull your head out of your ass. I'm pretty sure you have never read any libertarian literature in your entire life. When the fuck do libertarians say everyone should be equal? Libertarianism is a philosophy that everyone should be FREE and that private property rights should be respected. Read up on private property rights. Read Kinsella at mises.org about how IP is antithetical to private property rights. Learn something.
pinkkfloydd 1 week ago
@wood9670 haha thanks, you are awesome too
estupidosdemierdable 1 week ago
No, it's really not. How can you say you own a particular arrangement of words, musical notes, or the like? Or a particular arrangement of code? Everything that can be pirated is an idea, because it is not solidified in the real world: it is a sequence of code, however complex, that can be copied.
So I ask, if I were, instead of going to the pirate bay and downloading the song, to reproduce every aspect of Eminem's "Stan" independently (but exactly!), would that constitute theft?
KalROFL 1 week ago
I wish I could use this video to justify copying any essay by another person and say its not stealing.
superlucci 1 week ago
I love it!
cfisher2833 1 week ago
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RonPaulorDie2012 1 week ago 3
I see that this video has a "Standard YouTube License". That's more than a little ironic. :P
kingcherub 1 week ago
@kingcherub Unfortunatelly, yt won't allow an upload unless you give your vid that at a minimum.
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo They've actually just recently added a CC licence option. :)
kingcherub 1 week ago
@kingcherub Is there a "no license" option?
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo Not exactly. It's a Creative Commons license. It's new and it's easy to miss. If you're not sure what CC is the wikipedia article is very informative. I'd rather there be no IP law but, CC at least is an alternative.
kingcherub 1 week ago
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It's about anti freedom. People educate yourselves on the Patriot act, and the NDAA. PLEASE. These may not affect your damn games, but they take away your freedoms.
garrethdavis 1 week ago
you copyright maniacs do realize that people would buy music if it was cheap enough and convenient enough, like lossless albums <$5 ... there is a reason blu-rays nosedived from 30 dollars, down.
Exhalent 1 week ago 11
@Exhalent $1.29 for a song seems pretty cheap to me.
drunifex 1 week ago
And now this video has more sense with SOPA. #NOTSOPA #NOTPIPA
renji2792 1 week ago
successful troll video is successful troll video
ibraunit 1 week ago
i show this video to my teacher after the exam .... he punished me
estupidosdemierdable 1 week ago 13
@estupidosdemierdable, you are awesome.
wood9670 1 week ago
Shouldnt the way that someone advertises their music be up to the owner rather than some random person who chooses to give it away to family and friends?
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex
Well it is that way.. company's and music directors own songs
But other people get hold of it and easily duplicate, devaluing the product
Either ways.. SOPA is not how you approach piracy
They should make alternate methods rather than suppressing the nation
sukarestu 1 week ago
For example: Cool Edit Pro 2.0
Peter Quistgard's the man!!
outlawstarr417 1 week ago
But imagine you slogged your guts out writing an awesome game to sell so you can feed your family and a bunch of people ripped it off and gave it away for free. Wouldn't you feel like you are being robbed ? Not to mention surfing the internet and seeing videos saying how there is nothing wrong with piracy to rub your face in it. Ignoring the the greedy media companies charging ridiculous pricing for media you have to admit that everyone has a right to receive money for their labour.
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex No one has a "right to receive money" for the same labor, over & over & over. That would be equivalent to demanding your employer pay you repeatedly for the same work week.
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo Your analogy is incorrect. Using your analogy then every song, would cost 40,000 dollars and every movie somewhere in the order of 50,000,000 dollars. Every piece of software would be in the order of 100k to 100,000,000 dollars. The way this works is everyone pays a bit and together they pay the artists, actors, programmers.
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex & just how are you arriving at these numbers? Or are they just arbitrary?
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo well just look at the peering records for various downloads. But apart from that if you put up a brand new desirable game onto bit torrent how many people do you think are going to download it for free?
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex You cannot force people to pay for the same service, good or idea more than one time. If I want to share something I paid for by making a copy of it & sending it to someone else via whatever means available, that is my right as the owner of the property I paid for when I made the purchase. It doesn't matter if filthy rich movie producer execs are upset that they can't control what we do with a thing once we've bought it.
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo You are licensing the intellectual property you are not the owner. Besides most piracy is someone taking stolen IP and passing it on to another so those people have no right to pass it on even by your definition.
You are not being asked to pay for the same service more than one time (other than if you buy the dvd then the bluray version which annoys me when they are no different). Other people are being asked to pay for the license to the IP.
drunifex 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo I am curious. Ignoring the greedy people between you and the actual people that create the IP how would you support the creation of their products? In the end its about how those people who make intangible goods get paid for their work. Human nature being what it is people are not in general going to pay for what they can get for free.
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex Sharing & making copies of something is NOT stealing. The word stealing already has a definition & control freak govfags don't get to redefine it. Stealing is the act of forcibly or coercively removing one's private property from his possession. The people who write bills like SOPA are, ironically, stealing, because they forcibly remove private property from people (&call it taxation). Authors & supporters in govt of SOPA are hypocritical criminals full of nerve in what they do to us.
rockstarofredondo 1 week ago
@rockstarofredondo the definition of steal
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
(which includes the intellectual property)
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex The primary question is, what is "intellectual property?" How do you own an idea? Suppose I came up with the phrasing "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" before the American Declaration of Independence were made. Should I be granted some sort of "right" to this expression?
Fuck no! You can't own an idea. Fundamentally, it makes no sense. And, as a final aside: studies show that pirates pay for more music than any other group.
KalROFL 1 week ago
@KalROFL Fair comment however, we are talking something more concrete than that (even though some copyright owners try to own such basic ideas). We are talking music, software and movies. That is IP.
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex
In the Music, Software and Movie industry, EVERYONE is subject to Piracy... THIS IS NORMAL in the Modern age... Regardless of Piracy, These industries still make BILLIONS of Dollars.
I am not willing to give up my right to watch what I want to watch just because some greedy assholes in the entertainment industry are loosing a money, as if they are no longer able to feed their families. Come on! That's ridiculous...
Getting rid of Copyrights will get rid of Piracy... Maybe try that?
SamuelJoaodaSuica 1 week ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica murder was quite normal in the middle ages. That does not make it a good thing. So your justifying stealing IP because the owners are assholes? If that lets you sleep at night your welcome to it.
Getting rid of copyright hmmmm how will that get the people who actually created the content some income? We would go from overpriced IP to effectively free IP where no one would get any money for it. Im sure that would support the industry.
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex Dude, shut up already. I've explained this to you: there is no such thing as intellectual property. You cannot own an idea. You cannot say "this sequence of musical notes belongs to me." It doesn't. Make. Sense.
KalROFL 1 week ago
@KalROFL so you can't successfully justify your theft of other peoples property so you resort to attempting to shut up the opposition. Congratulations. I no longer need to argue with you as you obviously can't fathom that people deserve to be paid for their work. Arguments like yours just make it impossible for any reasonable copyright law to exist. Everytime someone makes the argument everything should be free it just hardens the line of the copyright holders as they try to protect themselves
drunifex 1 week ago
@drunifex It's not theft because it's not property. That's the point. Do people deserve to be paid for their work? Yes. Does that mean the idea they've created belongs to them? No.
KalROFL 1 week ago
@KalROFL Were not talking about the abstraction of ideas, we are talking about movies, software and music.
drunifex 1 week ago
@KalROFL Your concept is all wrong. It IS property. Look at the song in the video. It was written by Nina Paley, and she indicates that in it, meaning she wants to be credited for it. A song is concrete product, the brainchild of its author. If ideas don't belong to their respective authors, what are they?
retanoab 1 week ago
@retanoab
Ideas are as free as the Air we breath... You can put your name on an idea, but to be angry when others use it is completely wrong. Besides, the world can survive without professional entertainment.
SamuelJoaodaSuica 1 week ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Okay, ideas are free. You're right if you say that it's wrong to tell someone that they can't think this or that. But when these ideas are transformed into concrete work, such as songs or paintings, the author has rights over it, whether other people like it or not. Can you give me an example of rightful usage of somebody else's works? And also, what do you mean with "the world can survive without professional entertainment"?
retanoab 1 week ago
@retanoab Cover songs. Repainting the painting, or interpreting it. I personally think that copyrights at least where music is concerned should be moot after a certain point, like after the musician dies, so that people can actually listen to old music without either, paying out the ass for some rare ep or having to search for old vynls.
BornRuffian1 6 days ago
unless of course said music is still in active production, but such is not the case. It's nigh impossible to find certain old blues, folk, and jazz tunes anymore. And then when you do find them, it's either through a torrent (illegal) or ebay or someshit (through the roof expensive)
BornRuffian1 6 days ago
@BornRuffian1 I agree with downloading stuff that's not under production. E.g, i don't agree with downloading movies while they're still on theaters, but after going out, could be done. Makes it easy to find rarities. As to dropping copyrights as soon as artists die, a Simpson's episode shows it, where Homer is hired by a publicity agency to murder celebrities for their image to be used in advertisement for free. Sure it's comedy, but it does make some sense. Gotta have at least some time for it
retanoab 6 days ago
@retanoab shut the fuck up
kronicoutbreak 2 days ago
@kronicoutbreak Let's see: no point to be made, arguments, no discussion, no importance...and if you had intelligence enough to make a sentence with at least 10 different words, you'd have done so by now. So you're not offended by anything , you're just plain stupid. And then, what if i don't, are you gonna force me to listen to that crap you post on your channel?
retanoab 1 day ago
@retanoab you couldnt offend a fuckin pre schooler douchebag, ya prolly just some fuckin yanky bastard sittin around jackin some nigger dick till ya drown in his cum.... and what the fuck is your name idk ima call you RETARD because thats what it looks like im reading
kronicoutbreak 4 hours ago
@BornRuffian1 I do agree with cover songs and interpretations, and there are legal ways to do it. But if you release a cover commercially, the original artist must approve it. Otherwise, Nina's song could be slightly altered and become SOPA's anthem. I bet she'd intervein, saying she didn't grant permission for it, thus revindicating her rights over it. That's my point of view, copyrights exist as they should, but they can be loosened up with proper agreements with the authors, not by force.
retanoab 6 days ago
@retanoab
I mean that if people make "free entertainment" without copy rights, there won't be any piracy... People can make movies and songs as a hobby instead of a profession... But now I realize that would cost the US economy a lot of money, so throw that idea out of the window...
I think using someone's else's work in the form of a parody or commentary is acceptable. I also believe that showing someone's else's work as long as credit is given to him in the credits, is also acceptable...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 6 days ago
@retanoab She wants credit, not money, and she doesn't care that others have reposted and manipulated the song (example, adding subtitles). In fact, she'll be thrilled if its goes viral, all without earning a cent.
withastone 1 week ago
@withastone I never said she wanted money. All i said is that she wrote the song and indicate it. And though she's okay with people copying and changing her work, what i meant is that i'm pretty sure she wouldn't be pleased if someone presented this work as being theirs, saying "i wrote this", as stealing the credits.
retanoab 1 week ago
@drunifex
Ok, First of all I meant ONLY that getting rid of copyright laws would automatically get rid of this so called "piracy"...
Secondly, this is not "stealing IP", it's COPYING... It's like if I saw someone's car and instantly produced a copy of it for myself... It's not stealing, it's copying.
Thirdly, I was joking about getting rid of Copyright laws (OBVIOUSLY), what I said was the equivalent of the way to End World Hunger and Poverty would be to execute all those who suffer from it.
SamuelJoaodaSuica 1 week ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Thats arguing semantics. Personally I don't care what its called. To further your analogy of a car. Its more like you had someone who was going to buy a car and they now can get a copy for free. This is costing the IP owner the income he could have derived from the work. It really comes down to if people can get it for free why would they pay for it. How does the owner of the IP compete with free?
drunifex 6 days ago
@drunifex The next reply from most people is "but most people would never have bought it anyway". I have no doubt that is true. However, there are going to be some percentage that will not buy it because they got it for free. This is the crux of the matter how do we get money to the people who deserve it when people are getting it for free? There is also the thought that if everyone has a copy for free the work is devalued.
drunifex 6 days ago
@drunifex
Well, look at the Entertainment industry today... They maybe loosing a lot of money to this so called "piracy", however, I don't see them starving... They still earn in the Billions of dollars, and I doubt any of them are loosing so much money that they can't feed their families...
If "piracy" effects everyone almost "equally" you will just have to learn to adapt to a world with it and adjust your business model accordingly... The Entertainment Industry still earns A LOT regardless!
SamuelJoaodaSuica 6 days ago
Everything in our civilization is copied from something else. If the wheel had been copyrighted and laws had passed to protect their creators we would still be in the stone-age.
AStamer 1 week ago
Did you know that they are making it impossible to share a video game with your friend now? They have given lots of games product keys like they did with computer games making it so that once you buy a game, input the code into your own system and play then it's impossible to play that game on another system. Looks like sharing is now a crime. It's not caring according to them it's malicious and criminal.
TheDeaconCross 1 week ago
It's kind of hard to believe such a self serving argument when really all pirates want is free stuff. It doesn't particularly matter what excuse you choose to make.
Also, how many of you were mad about the Federal bailouts? All they did was COPY THE MONEY, BRO.
massiveturbo 1 week ago
@massiveturbo Congrats you win the prize for worst analogy ever.
Scatapult 1 week ago
Look, these guys don't wish to play the games they make. They're trying sell them and make money. That's kind of how they pay rent and buy food.
Jonassoe 1 week ago
Copyrights and patents create incentives to innovate. The problem occurs when the copyright/patent laws are simply given to mono/oligopolies to create, and then they simply use it to stifle innovation for their own benefit. As other posters have mentioned, it is a long explanation that won't fit in Youtube comments, but I would suggest educating yourself on the matter if you do not wish to be one of the people killing innovation, and therefore hurting the future.
Surbrus 1 week ago
Dear US Government...
themangOMEGA 2 weeks ago 55
copy paste
Wittuilija 2 weeks ago
@VentureJI Maybe campy, but it makes a valid point - that we have to look at this issue as something different, sicne it really is - and that the issue is being distracted by the mixing up of these two concepts to make a point.
travelsonic 2 weeks ago
This is a fantastically ignorant and entitled way of justifying theft, coming from someone whose only interest is not paying for luxury goods. Bravo, my brothers, keep fighting the good fight. How dare those satanic corporations and their thousands of middle and lower-class workers keep their expensively produced luxury goods from you!
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen I will not try to sweet-talk infringing copyright, because I do in fact believe it is wrong. However, the market is demanding different ways of being served, and the companies won't service us. It is only logical that the companies are shunned for their lack of service. Until the market gets the service they want, this will be a problem. Spotify, Apple Store and Steam are good starts, but for me there is no easy way to access content I want, except through illegal sources.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX I agree perfectly with the first half of your comment. If companies aren't up to scratch, by all means, shun them. I do, however, disagree with the mentality of "if they won't give me want I want I'll take it". Those programs you named don't provide any new content, they just provide it in a different way. There is no justification for stealing something because you believe the price of it is unfair.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen part of my point indeed. But the anonymity on the internet makes it real easy to ignore your moral compass and do it anyway. I'm still not saying it's good, mind you, but it happens. That said, give us ways to access the content we want, for a reasonable price, and most of us will not have a reason to pirate anymore. In my opinion, the large media corporations brought it on themselves for not embracing new technologies. If they had piracy would not be nearly as big an issue.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX Once again, I'm stuck on the second half of your post. If a company is not providing what their consumers want, they don't make as much money. That motivates change. The same content is available everywhere. The only real sticking point is the price, which brings us back to the idea that piracy is only about avoiding paying. You can't justify stealing because they won't give you what you want how you want it. No one pirates for moral reasons; those are justifications for greed.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen Seriously, give me access to content I want to consume whenever and wherever I want, and I would gladly pay for it. I am waiting for the moment that some corporation creates an acceptable subscriber service for that. I hear netflix does a deent job, but as that is yet unavailable to me. Of course I would research them for the content they can deliver for their (very decent) subscription fee, but I look forward to their expanding to where I live...
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX I agree with the need, but I don't see how a lack of the wanted service justifies piracy. These are luxury goods. No matter how inadequate the selection you're offered, walking away will cause you no harm.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
"This is a fantastically ignorant and entitled way of justifying theft,"
The initial point in this video is spot on - and pointing it out is nothing of the sort. What the end of the video may evolve into, maybe, but not the differentiation in the first place.
travelsonic 2 weeks ago
@travelsonic The differentiation between copying and theft is a valid point semantically. I admit that. However, its most obvious use is justifying online piracy, which I do strongly object to.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
That's OK if you want to share your work, but what happens when your work puts food on your table and people starts copying it instead of buying it? Are you entitled to the profit from your work? Is personal creativity a collective resource and not a personal trait that can help you live a conformable life?
franciscojavierm 2 weeks ago
I'm going to bet that the people that agree with this song have never tried to make a living doing something that involves intellectual property (research and development, art, etc.) An apparently long explanation is needed, and it simply won't fit into 500 characters. Suffice to say that doing something you love simply because you love doing it, doesn't feed you, and it doesn't give you a place to live.
bluescape 2 weeks ago 7
@bluescape It's going to be difficult for content creators, but...so what? The world changed with the introduction of the internet. I'm sure the invention of the car was terrible for horse and buggy manufacturers.
Technology has an air of inevitability. You're either a part of the steamroller or part of the road.
CristinaFernandez 2 weeks ago
@CristinaFernandez The horse and buggy/car parallel, although commonly used, is extremely faulty. When automobiles appeared there was still money in creating means of transportation, it had simply shifted. Copying removes profitability from the source product. Assuming that everyone copied, there would be no monetary influx and so the source product would dry up (ie there would no longer be things to copy).
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@bluescape There is no way to disagree with this song, as it simply states that copying is not theft. You're referring to the bigger issue of copying copyrighted material/intellectial property. I agree that copying those without permission is an offense. However, it is not, and never should be called, theft. However, give me the means to do what I can with pirated material legally and for a decent fee, and piracy will diminish. Failing to do so will keep pirates in business.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX Call it what you will, but it is theft. Also, the premise of the song is heavy-handedly inferred. You don't seem unintelligent; it seems a logical assumption that someone with an account named "questioncopyright" posting a song that is about copying that depicts characters dancing with cds/dvds is definitely referring to copyright. It certainly isn't about xeroxing a textbook for studying.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@bluescape I agree that we're talking about copyright here. One might even assume copyright infringement is implied, but that's not the discussion. The subject at hand is that copying digital property is not theft. The definition of theft is taking something that does not belong to you. If I steal something from you, I have one more something, and you have one less something. If I copy something from you, I have one more something, but you do not have one less something.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX An economy is based upon the exchange of goods and services. A chef, a maid, an artist, a musician, a babysitter; all are services and all deserve compensation. Indeed none of those involve anyone having any "one less tangible object" as you are fond of putting forth, but the compensation is what allows those occupations to exist as that compensation is then turned into other goods/services. If this were not in place, we would all have to be farmers that built our own homes.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@bluescape I will ignore the fact that you keep shifting the subject, mostly because services is a point not previously discussed here. One can not so much as steal a service, you can merely not pay for it. This is not theft, but is, like copying illegally, a crime. For the rest, I completely agree with you. I'm not opposing you, I'm on your side. I just dislike the fact that certain terms get mixed up.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX For me the subject never shifted as I view art in the realm of this subject a service. A painter produces a tangible good, but a 3D modeler makes something intangible for use in media. If I were to divide things only into the goods or services categories I would put the modeler as someone doing a service.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@ChibbyTraxX Insofar as your semantics hang up, it really is that, simply semantics. If someone is an identity thief, I still have my identity if they steal it. Piracy is the other common term, but certainly no one in 1999 was sailing a caravel up to napster to dig up some songs. It's a fairly new set of crimes for which we grandfathered in some old terms that meant the illegal acquisition of something not paid for.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@bluescape Ah, now I see where I misinterpreted you. I see digitally created products as product, not service. imho this is amatter of perspective, but now I see where you're coming from. Also, it is indeed semantics. I happen to find semantics fairly important. As a web programmer semantics are always part of what I do, and I will apply this irl aswell.
ChibbyTraxX 2 weeks ago
@bluescape
then do something else for a living, rather trying to live off a monopoly.
InvincibleNumanist 2 weeks ago
@InvincibleNumanist You should look up what monopoly means. The other thing you should do is follow your logic to its end (everyone doing it). If that were the case, every artist would do "something else" simply out of necessity. We all need to eat, and have a place to sleep.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@bluescape
I.P is one of the four monopolies highlighted by Benjamin Tucker over 100 years ago.
sorry, youre not entitled to a privileged status. Next time you complain that we all need to eat and have a place to sleep, make sure youre not carpooling because think of all of those poor bus drivers out of work because youre copying their transport service.
Sorry, artists dont deserve the money they get. And the proof they dont deserve the money is the fact that so few people are willing to pay.
InvincibleNumanist 2 weeks ago
@InvincibleNumanist Tucker is an individual anarchist that subscribed to the idea that might made right. The fact that you subscribe to his school of thought already puts you diametrically opposed to society as a whole. Essentially you favor possible violations of individual liberties by individuals over possible violations by a larger organization.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@InvincibleNumanist In regards to your statement about artists deserving no compensation based on the fact that people are not willing to compensate is a fallacy. Artists would deserve no compensation if there was no desire for their work. Given that there is a desire to steal it; there is a demand, and therefore they deserve compensation.
bluescape 2 weeks ago
@b
He believed in equal liberty, the might makes right business was a statement of fact, not a statement of normative ethics. (and i found his stirnerite egoism highly fallacious tbh, not his strongest point)
And who sets how much compensation they should get for it? The producer? Fine, but if nobody is willing to pay that much money for it, and they can get it for free without actually depriving the producer of his ability to sell, then tough shit. As per my carpooling example.
InvincibleNumanist 2 weeks ago
@bluescape You need a better argument than this to suggest that we shouldn't be pirates. If I were to say "if everyone drives himself where he needs to go, my taxi company won't survive," that's no reason for me to remove your personal freedom to copy data.
Also, the reality is that people are no longer selling digital products, and now selling services, because the internet is an innovation that has changed things, just as the personal freezer removed the need for ubiquitous ice vendors.
KalROFL 1 week ago 2
@bluescape To clarify on my second statement, look at services like Steam and League of Legends. The former offers games anyone can pirate with almost no effort, and yet is overwhelmingly successful. The reason for its success is because it offers a service people consider useful. League of Legends is free to play, and yet it makes A LOT of fucking money. Again, it offers a service. Piracy has a small impact on the former, and NO IMPACT on the latter.
KalROFL 1 week ago
@bluescape
It's tragic that people can't pay the bills, but you need to get with the times and adjust your business model to the modern age. You can't expect the government to artificially keep your industry alive. This would be like the government placing contrived limitations on Ford solely to insure that producers of horse carriages did not go out of business. It's money grubbing nonsense.
KalROFL 1 week ago 42
@KalROFL You win for the Best Allegory I have read this year! PEACE! ~a~
AdonisKingAXC 1 week ago
@bluescape Your argument makes no sense because anyone who creates intellectual property has already copied from others but instead of calling it copying they call it influence. NOTHING IS ORIGINAL. If you can name one artist, musician or filmmaker who is now starving and in the poor house because of piracy I will gladly verify your point.
Scatapult 1 week ago
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@Scatapult
+1... thank you.
anyone who believes that they'll be able to make a living as an artist is delusional... why do you think most of them have day jobs?
cxcmb 1 week ago
@bluescape ok, let's suppose you create a song, and buy the rights of it. you promote it with your close friends and family and those people you're sharing it to, can't share it, because they don't own the copyrights. Therefore noone gets to know it, your song gets nowhere and it doesn't feed you nor give you a place to live.
DulceXimenaBO 1 week ago
Copying like rabbits
Phycozz 2 weeks ago
bunnies just want excuses for copy themselves xD
kr4ter182 2 weeks ago
0:48 thats what i see in math class ever day.
pivotethan1 2 weeks ago
Great video with a catchy song and important message! :D
Greetings from Germany.
(The politicans tried to initiate censorship (Websperren) and are currently trying to pass a bill that allows storage and observation of internet communication (Vorratsdatenspeicherung.)
snapy666 2 weeks ago
This song is catchy as hell.
NibiruShinIori319 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 If the creator has chosen to give the song away that is freaking awesome good for them. But if the artist wishes to sell the work that they have created then they should be allowed to do it without being robbed by a cheapskae.
Adamrc98 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 I am not joking I dont pirate ever. You wanna know why.....BECAUSE.....I.....AM.....NOT.....A.....THEIF. GOT IT!!! Oh and by the way corporations are not sucking my blood nor are they sucking my wallet or my knowledge. OH AND BY THE WAY IT STILL IS STEALING BECAUSE YOU ARE CREATING ONE MORE THAN SHOULD HAVE EXISTED WICH IS ONE LESS DOLLAR THAN THE CREATOR HAD. Now tell me what do you do for a living? do you create? do you write? which one is it? Oh and I AM NOT A TROLL!! im serious.
Adamrc98 2 weeks ago
Fuck yeah! Never bought any software and never will! Piracy for the fucking win! Those greedy lazy shitty companies are just dumb to blame everything on us because their game was too shit to sell good!
zalgrad85 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 What makes you think they are greedy? Whas it all the socialists and communists you live around and were taught by? Because, even if it wasn't good stuff in the first place that doesn't matter. Again you are a just a petty little insignificant theif never really loved or taught by anyone. That or you are just really stupid. However with your language and your lack of self confidence and creative thinking leads me to believe it is a mixture of both.
Adamrc98 2 weeks ago
@Adamrc98 When you can speak hungarian fluently, then you can talk little man. OOOOO big words from MR I DONT PIRATE ANYTHING...don't lie...I know you do! Everybody does! Btw it's not stealing since I didn't take it away dumbass. Sigh stop trolling and realise the corporations are just sucking your blood. Speaking of corporations: 3words: EA and ACTIVISION
zalgrad85 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 You know why it didn't sell? Because entitled assholes figured out how to steal it.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen But it's true!
zalgrad85 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 I'm sorry, what's true? You'll have to be more specific before I'll be able to understand you.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen that everybody does it. Piracy won't be defeated aslong we have the internet or any other recording software. Oh the time of renting a VHS tape and then recording the video to a different tape using another VCR. Those were the good old days:)
zalgrad85 2 weeks ago
@zalgrad85 Thank you for pointing out that piracy is prevalent and hard to prevent.
I'm not sure if you're trying to argue "it's okay because everyone does it" or you've just given up on reasonable dialogue and are trying to rub it in that piracy happens.
Quiraen 2 weeks ago
@Quiraen I don't think there is an argument here. I'm not hiding that I pirate. Truth is, about 90% of my stuff comes from illegal downloads. Music, games, software. I do everything in my power to get things for free or at the very least cheaper than usual
zalgrad85 1 week ago
@zalgrad85 I don't think there was ever a question of you hiding your activities. And it seems that you're admitting that your true motive in this is merely not wanting to pay for a product.
Quiraen 1 week ago
@Quiraen you are absolutelly correct. Also no matter what anybody says why they do it (try it out, punish company) the truth is simple: free to get.:)
zalgrad85 1 week ago
@zalgrad85 Once you've admitted your stealing because you don't want to pay, all I can do is commend you on your honesty.
Quiraen 1 week ago