On respect to both parties (the UK & Argentine). I read some of you are debating who is the most deserved for being right. But please wake up guys that the war is over, we should manage ourselves rather than debating on a war that has been over.
There are no "indigenous" people on the Falklands. Argentinian claim that the "right to determination is flawed" is void. As usual, it's politics and oil.
@123412341234het You need to read UN Resolution 1514 (XV) & UN Resolution 2065
This is about the Argentinian pirates trying to steal British land, just as they did with Latin America. Where there were a native indienous population who now make up 8% of ArgieLand this is called Ethnic Cleansing.
the malvinas are argentinas and all people live in the island are argentinos al soldier and militar people no mather what they say they born in ground argentino 1 kelper= 1argentino citizen
@FirstBajaKid espero que comprendas español.la poblacion actual de malvinas fue implantada luego que inglaterra tomara las islas por la fuerza y echara a los argentinos que habitaban en las islas.por consiguiente,no pueden arrogarse la autodeterminacion de un pueblo autoctono PORQUE NO LO SON.antes que los piratas ingleses tomaran las islas ya habia gente habitandola Y ERAN ARGENTINOS.
@FirstBajaKid mas hipocrita es el primer ministro ingles al llamar a argentina PAIS COLONIALISTA....inglaterra,que en el 2012 todavia mantiene estatus colonial en muchas partes del mundo que es ???????
@auriazulforever come on mate, david cameron does have a point, you want to colonise the falklands, can't really deny that because you have tried it before. So in essence you are a colonial country that has had a colony for about 2 months. I don't like david cameron though hes right
@FirstBajaKid el punto central de este problema de soberania es el siguiente:
LAS MALVINAS no estaban desiertas cuando los PIRATAS INGLESES desembarcaron.
estaban habitadas por ARGENTINOS.
luego de la independencia de mi pais,que se proclamo el 9 de julio de 1816,TODOS LOS TERRITORIOS QUE PERTENECIAN AL VIRREINATO DEL RIO DE LA PLATA PASARON A FORMAR LAS PROVINCIAS UNIDAS DEL RIO DE LA PLATA,INCLUYENDO POR SUPUSTO LAS ISLAS MALVINAS.
@auriazulforever well heres the bottom line, the islanders aren't moving and unlike your country we can defend the them, as far as wars go Britain hasn't lost many over the past millennia. Obviously we've already humiliated you once.
@FirstBajaKid Its not just "hypocritical" of the Spanish...I mean Argies to talk about empire building when every inch of Argentina was stolen from the indegeous population, who were raped,killed and made into slaves. But the Brits never wiped out the natives of the islands, we look after the penguins, and keep them from the mines the Argies left and reuse to send map of the locations 30 years on.
When Peron fled he went to Spain wonder when the Argies will follow?
@DoctorEnzo Ass hole, our problem was inside de country also you made war everywere of the world MALVINAS ARGENTINAS piratassssssssssss vayanse GO WITH YOUR FUCKING QUEEN
@BebitaD No your problem was when you decided to steal our lands. You are the pirates, your entire nation was stolen from the Natives. 100 Million dead in Latin America from the Spanish Pirates (your relatives) STOLE others land.
These were always our islands now shut up, or we put your country down again. Maybe this time far worse, maybe we weaken you so much Chile and all the other countries you stole land from will take it from you.
Piss off. You say that British occupation of the islands - ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD - is not imperialism when your companies are now seeking to exploit the island's discovered oil and gas resources? Then again, considering your troubles with Irish right next to you, grabbing land from the locals pond on the other side of the world is nothing new to you.
All the British overseas territories who chose to be independent are now independent (almost all chose to join the British Commonwealth) and all remaining British overseas territories (eg Falklands) have chosen to retain the links with the UK.
The Falklands have the UN right of self determination and are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU for as long as they wish - and they own their oil.
Argentina consists of Spanish colonists from the other side of world Spain
The Falkland Islanders own the Falkland Islands and their oil
The British Falklands were uninhabited when landed on, named and claimed by British John Strong in 1690. And the first British colony was created in 1765, long before Spain and before Argentina existed.
The British expelled the illegal United Provinces military (26 men who had landed illegally a few weeks before) from the British Falklands in 1833, but the Vernet colonists remained because they had British permission.
@vonVince in stead of running your mouth off son, study your history. An Argentine named Luis vernet asked Britain for permission to build a settlement in the Falklands.The British gave him permission, and 7 years later asked him to leave. Since that day the argentines have said that we stole their islands. If the islands were theirs, then why did Luis Vernet ask the British if he could build a colony in the first place!!?
@snitch5000 Because, dear, Vernet was not an appoittened representative of the argentinean government. He was a governor, he could send that letter and one that could have said: 'i declare war to UK' without any legal effect. Vernet was appointened governor of Malvinas in 1829, the law is here: es. w i k i p e d i a .org/ wiki/ Comandancia_Pol %C3%AD t i c a_ y _ M i l i t a r _ d e _ l a s _ i s l a s _ M a l v i n a s
There was never an argentine governor on the British Falklands.
Vernet was an entrepreneur sponsored by United Provences who arrived in in 1826, and then acknowledged British sovereignty and requested British protection
When the United Provinces tried to appoint Vernet as Governor in 1829, the UK rejected this and reiterated British sovereignty. .
@EddieExile I´m based on a 1829 argentinean law you can find in wikipedia. You are based... The problem is that you cannot justify the violation of the notka convention, then you must invent protests, occupations and so on to legitimate 1833 invation. Curious thing, island for wich Argentina have protested since 1813, rekkoned by the un as islands under colonial status with a sovereignity issue between ARgentina and UK, and Argentina has no right. I believe you are more nationalistic tha arg
The 1790 Nootka treaty was purely bilateral between UK and Spain (not Argentina) agreeing that there would be no further new settlements by UK OR Spain on coasts of south america or adjacent islands, and it did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
The Treaty also contained secret article 6 rendering the Treaty null and void if a 3rd party tried to land (eg argentina)..
And argentine law has never extended to the British Falklands.
@EddieExile This comment shows ignorance of law.- im not pointing it out as an offense-. I´m a lawyer, then I know about the subject. Argentina is a succesor of the spanish state, inheritates all the rights of the previous state in the former territory, including of course, limits treaty. For that treaty Argentina is not third party, Argentina is Spain.
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self- determination). and the interests of the population (they decide what their interests are)
Argentina refuses to comply with this and only wants to discuss the handover of sovereignty of British territory against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders - this won’t happen.
@EddieExile Advisory opinion on western sahara: Morocco made the same move as UK, it moved moroccan population to annexed territory, then it wanted to make a referendum to ask the moroccan living in western sahara if they wanted to be a part of morocco. Here the ICJ expressed that the right to self determination DOES NOT APPLY.
@EddieExile Take it to the ICJ? What for? If it rules in Argentina´s favor, UK won´t quit the islands, and if it rules against (overpassing law and precedents, as happenned with Uruguay - Botnia), Argentina will be humillated in the eyes of the world, and specially in the eyes of south american partners. The ICJ is not a law office, it is a political one, and has always defended statu quo and Europa. Finally, Argentina complies with un resolution for indigenous people autonomy.
@LAVB432 UK does not comply with negotiation res. The res does not contemplate 'wishes' but 'interests' of the islanders. Specifically it says: ' and the interests of the population of the Falkland Island'. That means that they are not party in the negotiation, but their welfare must be attended. Last, but not least, UK has never invited Argentina to negotiation on the sovereignity issue, It has illegally occupied the islands for more than one hundred yearse. And this year, brit gov wants a war.
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination) and the interests of the population (they decide what their interests are)
The UN asks for a peaceful solution to be found - not for the UK to negotiate handing over the sovereignty of British territory against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
It was you who quoted an ICJ ruling on Morocco - even though in 1977 Argentina, having accepted the jurisdiction of an international court of arbitration on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile, then refused to accept its results..
Argentina has aleady been humiliated in the eyes of the world after it refused to comply with UN Resolution 502 demanding removal the Argentine invaders from the British Falklands - and Argentina will be humiliated again if Kirchner causes more war.
@EddieExile It complied with Vatican settlement on the Beagle issue - quoted in the last limits traty between Argentina and Chile -. I quoted the advisory opinion only to emphasized the current definition of 'free people determination' ogf the 1514. 502 was complied through force, though it was a millitary gov., not a legitimate one. Finally the only warmonger here is Cameron. Argentina is only using diplomatic and political pressure, if UK is not up to the chalenge, then, negotiate.
@EddieExile UK, in turn, is in current violation of the call to negotiation of the res. 2062. These is even emphatized byt the US, who called both parties to negotiation. ICJ wont have jurisdiction on the matter, finally, because there is a previous res by other organ of the UN system: the decolonization comitee. That wich says that UK and Arg should negotiate. Finally, humillation... only UK who has today colonial strongholds like Chagos and Malvinas
The UN resolutions say find a peaceful solution based on self determination - not negotiate handing over sovereignty against the wishes of the population.
Finally - your humiliation - there are 16 territories on the UN colonial list, on 18 May 2010, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon declared at a forum on decolonization. “The world’s 16 remaining territories that do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”,
@EddieExile But people in Malvinas are not natives, as the advisory opinion says they must be. And the resolution you are quotting does not speak of wishes but interests. BIG difference. That was a word put forward by the argentine embassador at that time, wit the intention not to consider the 'wishes' of the islanders. Kirchner winning what? Elections? I do not support her goverment but surely it is better than cameron.
argentines are not natives either - and their were no native americans on the British Falklands.
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the right of self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination). "Self Determination" confirms the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
I referred to Kirchner’s whining ie “to complain or protest in a childish fashion“.
@LAVB432 Not that it makes any difference, but the other south american countries aren't complaining - they simply pretend to agree with argentina to try and stop the constant whining.
@EddieExile You will see. Today we argue, but tomorrow, Argentina, Britain, European Union Chile, Brazil, the Commonwealth and UNASUR will be allied against the russian, chinesse, and american claims of Antartica. I believe that can be a ground for negotiation
Of course peaceful cooperation based on mutual respect is the preferred solution -
in 1990 Argentina and the UK/Falklands set up the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission to coordinate the management of fishing stocks, and in 1995 they agreed to jointly explore for oil and share the proceeds (Argentina unilaterally withdrew from both agreements in 2007)
HoweverAargentina would never put it's own sovereignty up for negotiation and neither will the UK or the Falkland Islands.
Third - UN Resolution 2065 specifically covers the Falklands, and states that a peaceful solution should be found, taking into account the UN Charter (inhabitants rights are paramount), and Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination; to freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development)
If Argentina thinks it has a case - then take it to the ICJ.
@EddieExile i dont care about your stupid commonwealth is melted into tears, Malvinas is too expensive for your poor pockets , you cant use Sudamerican ports anymore , colonialist , spreading slavery all over the world straight to hell with your hand sullied with other people´s blood . Malvinas Argentinas , Gibraltar a España .
The British Falklands are fully self financing except for defence which cost 0.3% of the UK defence budget – money well spent for the excellent training facilities - and more than enough firepower to destroy any argie invasion attempt.
The UK GDP at over $2 trillion is around 6 times that of debt defaulter argentina's GDP at $350 billion. The UK can use any south american ports, and argentine colonists stole their entire country from native ameticans.
@EddieExile , I dont cry , but your numbers are wrong , your ecomony is a wreck , Germany is carrying your wet rock over their shoulders ,you must read the newspapers , Uruguay , Chile and Brazil wont accept Falklands flags anymore , our next step is to stop all chilean flight through argentinian territory to the islands , and former indians belong to Argentina and fought against GB in 1982 , but let us the water flow, old friends, war is over .............long time ago.
And you need to read and understand the newspapers - Germany is carrying the eurozone countries only - not the UK which is not a member. In fact the UK has contributed billions to the eurozone bailout fund.
Twenty ships are affected by the flag ban and they can simply fly the UK flag to enter port - all irrelevant.
And if Argentina is stupid enough to stop family from visiting war graves - we will bury the bodies at sea.
@EddieExile , ok iwont argue anymore , I dont care about the frozen rocks , my country is large enough for us , but i remember the youing boys we left down there , and GB soldiers too , Our Borges said "two baldy men fighting over a comb" , i think he was right , this world is ugly enough , we must imagine a better world to feed good hope , good luck.
OK that's fine - but remember that the freedom of people to choose their own political structure and way of life is extremely important and enshrined in the UN constitution - and is not just a baldy fight. Cheers
Hey Super Marcos, look up these on the internet... Irish Guards, Welsh Guards, Scots Guards, Royal Irish Regiment, Black Watch Regiment, Kings Own Scottish Borderers, the Gibraltar Regiment, I could go on as its a long list.. but guess what, none of these are English, but they are all British.
@badd3sl3y no....solo le estamos dando tiempo para q incorporen mas buques y para que inflen gomones para volverse, eso si....esta vez saquen las armas nucleares asi no se van al fondo de nuestro mar como ya paso....y tambien pidan ayuda a papito usa y arodillense ante los franceses para que no nos vendan material de ataque....ahh y tambien recuerden....ir a buscar chinos para que peleen por ustedes....
@matutemelon return and your get an even worse battering than before. aha. love how you argies think its yours when the people there are British, its never been yours. our government has been waiting for another attempted invasion. recently one mod spokes man said "it would be a turkey shoot, they wouldn't even get close" and they dont try and big themselves up. so have fun, never were a good nation and never will be. we will flatern your citys before you get our islands. ahaha.
you should read history, the Governador Luis Vernet, and 60 peoples, were invaders for brithis in 1833, remember, english = Pirates, but around the world, ej:: Sud Africa, Africa, India, Pacific Islands, Gibraltar, Asunsion Islands, Hong Kong, Georgias Islands, and........., Irelands, Wales, Scotland.more and more and more countrys around the world, freedom!!!! say Williams Walace!!!!!!
@SuperMarcos008 you should read your history haha. its not just the English in Great Britain you idiot. Wales and Scotland make up huge amount of the armed forces and government etc also. FALKLAND ISLANDS BRITISH FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Ok english or islander or Kelper, non problems, you will be welcome to Argentina,
Best Regards, thank you for you opinion.
Malvinas (Español) = Falkland ( English ) = Maulivas ( French ) , you will be welcome to argentina, here there are good steaks, Tango, Football, Mountais, Rivers, Pampas,,,non problems with you opinion, Best regards friendly!!!
@SuperMarcos008 You can be welcome to the British Falkland Islands also, only if you get a visa though... As of course it is and always will be British.
@EddieExile The Argentines who lived in Malvinas in 1833 also had the right of self determination, but anyway British forces took the islands and expeled them from their homes. The only motive by which Islanders fear the Argentine government is because British government brainwashed them with the idea that Argentina wants to do the same that Britain did in 1833.
@EddieExile UK no habla de soberania por que ya la tiene, ellos hablan de petroleo, pesca y todas sus actividades economicas. hasta antes de la guerra (1982), los habitantes de Malvinas no tenian ningun beneficio, eran ciudadanos de segunda. Hasta venian a estudiar a Argentina. saludos
The Falkland Islanders always had the right of self determination and rejected any takeover by Argentina.
The British Falklands are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU, and control all of their own economic activities and resources. The people also studied and still study in the UK.
It is Argentina that has withdrawn from all economic cooperation with the British Falklands.
SI ENTRA ALGUN PILOTO DE LA F.A.A QUE COMBATIO QUIERO DECIRLE QUE ESTOY MUY ORGULLOSO DE LO QUE HICIERON EN EL ATLANTICO SUR Y QUIEN SABE CUANDO SE VOLVERAN A VER TIPOS CON TANTAS PELOTAS COMO ELLOS ESPERO ALLAN PASADO ESA SENTIDO DEL DEVER Y PATRIOTISMO A ALAS SIGUIENTES GENERACIONES SE QUE SON MUCHOS Y NO SOLO DE LA F.A.A TAN BIEN DE LA ARMADA BUEN TRABAJO MUCHACHOS ESOS HIJOS DE PUTAS YA SABEN QUE A TOMAR EL TE ACA NO VINIERON
@Eddieposted I have spoken to a Pole who admitted passing on information relating to the liberating forces in 1982 - so we can say that the imperialists had the support of the communists. Peru at the same time was pursuing its war and territorial aggrandisement against Ecuador so was also in the imperialist camp.
@Eddieposted no se recibió nada ni de venezuela ni brasil. lo unico que hiso brasil fue detener un Vulcan... y dudo mucho lo de Rusia... Por tu parte, inglaterra recibio ayuda de chile, armas norteamericanas (EJ: sidewinder) e informacion satelital norte americana. ademas combatieron los gurkhas, la guardia galeza, un grupo de paracaidistas de Escocia y combatientes de Irlanda.
@negreblodyman Estoy seguro que las fuerzas de Pacto de Varsavia estaba espiando a la flota britanica - supongo que la informacion fue pasdado a la junta argentina (eso he leido) pero claramente no podria decir 100% que eso paso.
@alanheath3 si? puede ser, yo tenia entendido que no, pero no creo que hayan pasado las posiciones de nada, ya que cuando se producian los ataques aereos de la FAA o la ARA, estos eran guiados por observadores en tierra O Aeronaves de reconocimiento, como fue el caso de los buques en bahia san carlos los cuales los diviso owen crippa en un Aermacchi MB 326, en el cual ataco una fragata con solo metralleta y chohetes. HEROE CRIPPA HEROE!
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Es verdad que los EEUU y Chile ayudo al Reino Unido. Los gurhkas, guardia galezia, guardia esoces etc son parte del ejercito del Reino Unido. No entiendo que quieres decir por paracaidistas de Escocia - no sabia que existia una unidad asi.
@alanheath3 hola, disculpeme, antes debe colocar h"t"t·p w"w"w"...... lo se, dentro del reino unido estaban esas tropas, En cuanto a los paracaidistas, en el documental "malvinas, la guerra que pudo ser" el comandante Jeremy moore en un momento hablo de un regimiento de paracaidistas escoceses que eran muy profesionales, los cuales lucharon contra el BIM 5. saluds
@negreblodyman Eso era evidente! Lo hice! Tal vez hay algo misentendido - en cuanto a lo se no hay un regimento paracaidistas escoceses en el ejercito pero claro que hay gente de alli en los regimentes de paracaidistas.
@alanheath3 los escoceses se independizaron del Reino Unido en el siglo XIV, no se en que año de este siglo exactamente, ahora, que paso despues no se.
@argentinoemanuel1 El Reino Unido no existio en el siglo XIV. En 1603 el re de Escocia devino el re de Inglaterra tambien - de esta manera las coronas de ambos paises fueron unidas. El pais fue unido 100 anos despues.
@Eddieposted Argentina compro armas a todo el mundo para invadir malvinas?? ahi si que le erraste feo eh... primero. no fue una invasión, fue una RECUPERACION. 2. Para recuperar malvinas solo le compramos armas a Francia(Sue, Exocet), a Estados Unidos (A-4) y a peru durante la guerra, el cual nos facilito mas exocet y aviones Mirage V. a Israel se le compro aviones mucho antes de la guerra de malvinas, apra el conflicto contra CHILE, Cuba y la URSS ofrecieron ayuda, pero esta fue denegada
@Eddieposted El unico buque hundido ARGENTINO comparable a los de la royal navy fue el GRAL. BELGRANO, los otros lanchones de asalto no valian mas de 300.000 ussd. mientras una fragata inglesa costaba 500 millones..
@negreblodyman No se cuanto cuesta una fregata pero mi sembra que hoy es parecido a un avion de combate - hace trenta anos - no se pero no me parece. Tel vez no tengo razon.
@alanheath3 nah no creo las fragatas tambien se hacen mas caras, tienen radares a bordo mas sofisticados, mas computadoras, armamento, personal mas entrenado, etc... yo creo que hoy en dia la proporcion se mantiene.
@Eddieposted pero yo te hablo en cuanto a la fuerza aerea argentina vs la royal navy, ahi es donde digo que la guerra economica la gano la fuerza aerea
@Eddieposted Royal navy perdon, me confundi con la RAF. pero los sea harriers solo derribaron 1 avion en combate A-A, el derribo de skyhawks y daggers cuando realizaban bombardeos se denomino CAZA DE PATOS. no lo digo yo, si no julian thompson, woodward, o cualquier piloto de combate.
@Eddieposted .. fuera de combate, y otros 8 alcanzados fue muy duro economicamente hablando, que tan solo una decena de skyhawks y daggers que no llegan ni a 1/4 del precio de alguno de los buques ingleses.. entonces, la guerra economica, la perdio inglaterra.
@Eddieposted ..... no se puede mencionar ningun combate entre fuerzas aereas, ya que estas solo se dedicaron a bombardear buques britanicos, o en cierto caso, el campamento de Jeremy Moore... En otros casos cuando las " PACS" (Harriers) iban al encuentro con los skyhawks, estos retrocedian cuando divisaban que eran escoltados por mirage III. Entonces.. fue la fuerza aerea derrotada por la RAF?..
yo creo que en todo caso, el combate fue entre la royal navy y la FAA. donde 6 buques hundidos, 12 ..
@Eddieposted sorry pero te escribo en español. No es correcto decir que una fuerza aerea vencio a la otra en el caso malvinas. por que solo hubo 2 enfrentamientos Aire-Aire, donde en 1 enfrentamiento ninguno de las dos secciones se encontraron y no se produjo ninguna baja. en el 2 enfrentamiento fue un IAI Dagger vs 2 sea harrier, donde el dagger disparo un MATRA pero este fue esquivado por el sea harrier, mientras el otro le disparo un sidewinder por detras. En lo que enfoca a los Skyhawk ...
The UN Decolonization Committee adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadnt been implemented by the UK
They are never going to haceptar that Argentina a South American country them damage to its ship standard, the invensible aircraft carrier hms. .seria one verguenza world-wide for England… damn gives back those that do not belong to them.
ajajajaj yo creo que ese eddieposted es britanico, creo pero no estaria mal dudar puede ser chileno, quedaria perfecto es raro ver como se ensaña con estos temas como si fuera una obligacion, eso es raro, el tipo parece desesperado por querer dar su version de cualquier modo no lo tengan encuenta esta medio loco.
@Eddieposted Ok so this must be a lie according to you : "In 1774, as a result of economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War, the United Kingdom withdrew unilaterally from many of her overseas settlements, including Port Egmont."
@Eddieposted First, why where those military ilegal? Second, the british left the island for good, and then they came back and of course they didn't give a crap about "Self determination" of the people living there.
@Eddieposted Yeah sure, So I go, conquer Cuba, expell all cubans and put a lot of people from my country and so i can keep the island because of self determination. That's how the UN works, it's governed by 5 countries and everyone else does not count for anything. Go see Iraq and Afghanistan, the US invaded because they wanted to without any kind of authorization and were they penalized? No because they rule the UN.
@argentema1 You are right, eddieposted is not only an ignorant and a liar, but also a fool who thinks that things would be different just because he says so.
Argentina was not trying to hold the islands militarily and even so we almost won.
@Eddieposted Lost badly my boy? it took 10 days to 20000 Germans to defeat 43000 well dug in British in Crete in ww2 while it took 50 days to 29000 British to defeat 12000 Argentine conscripts even when Argentina did nothing to defend its islands militarily.
@Arminevh and @Eddieposted - I think such a discussion makes no sense. What does it mean 'lost badly'? How badly? In terms of failing to achieve objectives Argentina lost 'badly' (if one like this word), because had to leave the islands and the chances to even share sovereignty were reduced to zero. In terms of losses in human lives and equipment it was not so bad, compared to similar conflicts. So it depends how do you look at the issue.
argie aircraft would not get within 100 miles of the falklands today.they would be taken out one by one,without any problem.
cra1234cor 11 hours ago
On respect to both parties (the UK & Argentine). I read some of you are debating who is the most deserved for being right. But please wake up guys that the war is over, we should manage ourselves rather than debating on a war that has been over.
cassavaeater 17 hours ago
THE BEST PILOTS.
ROWAR240 4 days ago
There are no "indigenous" people on the Falklands. Argentinian claim that the "right to determination is flawed" is void. As usual, it's politics and oil.
123412341234het 6 days ago
@123412341234het You need to read UN Resolution 1514 (XV) & UN Resolution 2065
This is about the Argentinian pirates trying to steal British land, just as they did with Latin America. Where there were a native indienous population who now make up 8% of ArgieLand this is called Ethnic Cleansing.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Sorry, do you take issue with my comment or not?
123412341234het 4 days ago
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the malvinas are argentinas and all people live in the island are argentinos al soldier and militar people no mather what they say they born in ground argentino 1 kelper= 1argentino citizen
martinxization 1 week ago
Mis respetos a los valientes pilotos de guerra de la Republica Argentina !! Saludos desde Chile !!
fourkero1 2 weeks ago
@auriazulforever
Well said, the spanish should never of been in south america in the first place.
FunnyVideoCollector 2 weeks ago
It's hard to overestimate the quality of the footage shot during those San Carlos air attacks.
They were the first images of their kind, (air attacks on a fleet) since the Pacific War & the technology between 1945 & 1982 had advanced so much.
That said, RIP all British & Argentinians who died on those islands...
Ca1861 3 weeks ago
Si pensamos que los aviones de los argentinos no tenían ni raderes para medir altura exacta hay que sacarse el sombrero ante estos pilotos!
Tumbino 3 weeks ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS CARAJOOOO !!!!!!!!!
auriazulforever 3 weeks ago
@auriazulforever so do you think falkland islanders have the right to determine there future, want to hear an argentines perspective on the matter?
FirstBajaKid 2 weeks ago
@FirstBajaKid espero que comprendas español.la poblacion actual de malvinas fue implantada luego que inglaterra tomara las islas por la fuerza y echara a los argentinos que habitaban en las islas.por consiguiente,no pueden arrogarse la autodeterminacion de un pueblo autoctono PORQUE NO LO SON.antes que los piratas ingleses tomaran las islas ya habia gente habitandola Y ERAN ARGENTINOS.
MAS CLARO IMPOSIBLE !!!!!!!!.......
auriazulforever 2 weeks ago
@auriazulforever wasn't your country founded on the murder of the indigenous population, seems very hypocritical calling us pirates.
FirstBajaKid 2 weeks ago
@FirstBajaKid mas hipocrita es el primer ministro ingles al llamar a argentina PAIS COLONIALISTA....inglaterra,que en el 2012 todavia mantiene estatus colonial en muchas partes del mundo que es ???????
lamentable comentario !!!!!!!
auriazulforever 2 weeks ago
@auriazulforever come on mate, david cameron does have a point, you want to colonise the falklands, can't really deny that because you have tried it before. So in essence you are a colonial country that has had a colony for about 2 months. I don't like david cameron though hes right
FirstBajaKid 2 weeks ago
@FirstBajaKid el punto central de este problema de soberania es el siguiente:
LAS MALVINAS no estaban desiertas cuando los PIRATAS INGLESES desembarcaron.
estaban habitadas por ARGENTINOS.
luego de la independencia de mi pais,que se proclamo el 9 de julio de 1816,TODOS LOS TERRITORIOS QUE PERTENECIAN AL VIRREINATO DEL RIO DE LA PLATA PASARON A FORMAR LAS PROVINCIAS UNIDAS DEL RIO DE LA PLATA,INCLUYENDO POR SUPUSTO LAS ISLAS MALVINAS.
auriazulforever 2 weeks ago
@auriazulforever well heres the bottom line, the islanders aren't moving and unlike your country we can defend the them, as far as wars go Britain hasn't lost many over the past millennia. Obviously we've already humiliated you once.
FirstBajaKid 2 weeks ago
@FirstBajaKid Its not just "hypocritical" of the Spanish...I mean Argies to talk about empire building when every inch of Argentina was stolen from the indegeous population, who were raped,killed and made into slaves. But the Brits never wiped out the natives of the islands, we look after the penguins, and keep them from the mines the Argies left and reuse to send map of the locations 30 years on.
When Peron fled he went to Spain wonder when the Argies will follow?
DoctorEnzo 2 weeks ago
@DoctorEnzo Ass hole, our problem was inside de country also you made war everywere of the world MALVINAS ARGENTINAS piratassssssssssss vayanse GO WITH YOUR FUCKING QUEEN
BebitaD 5 days ago
@BebitaD No your problem was when you decided to steal our lands. You are the pirates, your entire nation was stolen from the Natives. 100 Million dead in Latin America from the Spanish Pirates (your relatives) STOLE others land.
These were always our islands now shut up, or we put your country down again. Maybe this time far worse, maybe we weaken you so much Chile and all the other countries you stole land from will take it from you.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
Honor a los halcones del grupo 5!!!!!
Aawuhr 3 weeks ago
Brave fellas.
Strategichan425 3 weeks ago
They were shot down later - ole!
EddieExile 3 weeks ago
tacatacatacatacatacataca............. OLE!!
ferrometrico 3 weeks ago
malvinas Argentinas putossssss!!
andrestjarks 3 weeks ago
Falklands Se llamara la concha de tu vieja reina de mierda , se llama MALVINAS , Y SON ARGENTINAS
manuelbassaniful 3 weeks ago
PUTOS no se llaman falklands, se llaman MALVINAS
lapionsio 1 month ago
Y SON ARGENTINAS!!!
lapionsio 1 month ago
@lapionsio Sin darme cuenta pusimos casi el mismo comentario , es que los argentinos tenemos el mismo sentimiento :B
manuelbassaniful 3 weeks ago
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why everybody hates british people? think about it...
hoper8 1 month ago
ENGLAND ARE THE GRASSHOPPER PREDATOR OF THE WORLD, UNTIL ONE DAY FALL...
TERRANOBILIS 1 month ago
absolutely amazing flying
TheSouthern1cross 1 month ago
Piss off. You say that British occupation of the islands - ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD - is not imperialism when your companies are now seeking to exploit the island's discovered oil and gas resources? Then again, considering your troubles with Irish right next to you, grabbing land from the locals pond on the other side of the world is nothing new to you.
vonVince 1 month ago
@vonVince
All the British overseas territories who chose to be independent are now independent (almost all chose to join the British Commonwealth) and all remaining British overseas territories (eg Falklands) have chosen to retain the links with the UK.
The Falklands have the UN right of self determination and are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU for as long as they wish - and they own their oil.
Argentina consists of Spanish colonists from the other side of world Spain
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile They don't own shit. British seized the islands from the newly independent Argentina in 19th century.
vonVince 1 month ago
@vonVince
The Falkland Islanders own the Falkland Islands and their oil
The British Falklands were uninhabited when landed on, named and claimed by British John Strong in 1690. And the first British colony was created in 1765, long before Spain and before Argentina existed.
The British expelled the illegal United Provinces military (26 men who had landed illegally a few weeks before) from the British Falklands in 1833, but the Vernet colonists remained because they had British permission.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@vonVince in stead of running your mouth off son, study your history. An Argentine named Luis vernet asked Britain for permission to build a settlement in the Falklands.The British gave him permission, and 7 years later asked him to leave. Since that day the argentines have said that we stole their islands. If the islands were theirs, then why did Luis Vernet ask the British if he could build a colony in the first place!!?
snitch5000 1 month ago
@snitch5000 Because, dear, Vernet was not an appoittened representative of the argentinean government. He was a governor, he could send that letter and one that could have said: 'i declare war to UK' without any legal effect. Vernet was appointened governor of Malvinas in 1829, the law is here: es. w i k i p e d i a .org/ wiki/ Comandancia_Pol %C3%AD t i c a_ y _ M i l i t a r _ d e _ l a s _ i s l a s _ M a l v i n a s
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
There was never an argentine governor on the British Falklands.
Vernet was an entrepreneur sponsored by United Provences who arrived in in 1826, and then acknowledged British sovereignty and requested British protection
When the United Provinces tried to appoint Vernet as Governor in 1829, the UK rejected this and reiterated British sovereignty. .
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile I´m based on a 1829 argentinean law you can find in wikipedia. You are based... The problem is that you cannot justify the violation of the notka convention, then you must invent protests, occupations and so on to legitimate 1833 invation. Curious thing, island for wich Argentina have protested since 1813, rekkoned by the un as islands under colonial status with a sovereignity issue between ARgentina and UK, and Argentina has no right. I believe you are more nationalistic tha arg
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
The 1790 Nootka treaty was purely bilateral between UK and Spain (not Argentina) agreeing that there would be no further new settlements by UK OR Spain on coasts of south america or adjacent islands, and it did not affect existing claims to sovereignty.
The Treaty also contained secret article 6 rendering the Treaty null and void if a 3rd party tried to land (eg argentina)..
And argentine law has never extended to the British Falklands.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile This comment shows ignorance of law.- im not pointing it out as an offense-. I´m a lawyer, then I know about the subject. Argentina is a succesor of the spanish state, inheritates all the rights of the previous state in the former territory, including of course, limits treaty. For that treaty Argentina is not third party, Argentina is Spain.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self- determination). and the interests of the population (they decide what their interests are)
Argentina refuses to comply with this and only wants to discuss the handover of sovereignty of British territory against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders - this won’t happen.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile Advisory opinion on western sahara: Morocco made the same move as UK, it moved moroccan population to annexed territory, then it wanted to make a referendum to ask the moroccan living in western sahara if they wanted to be a part of morocco. Here the ICJ expressed that the right to self determination DOES NOT APPLY.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
Not at all.
First - the British Falklands were never Spanish so there was nothing for argentina to inherit - even if argentina is Spain - which it is not.
Second - the argentines themselves are a transplanted population who move to argentina and annexed the land from the indigenous native Americans.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile Take it to the ICJ? What for? If it rules in Argentina´s favor, UK won´t quit the islands, and if it rules against (overpassing law and precedents, as happenned with Uruguay - Botnia), Argentina will be humillated in the eyes of the world, and specially in the eyes of south american partners. The ICJ is not a law office, it is a political one, and has always defended statu quo and Europa. Finally, Argentina complies with un resolution for indigenous people autonomy.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432 UK does not comply with negotiation res. The res does not contemplate 'wishes' but 'interests' of the islanders. Specifically it says: ' and the interests of the population of the Falkland Island'. That means that they are not party in the negotiation, but their welfare must be attended. Last, but not least, UK has never invited Argentina to negotiation on the sovereignity issue, It has illegally occupied the islands for more than one hundred yearse. And this year, brit gov wants a war.
LAVB432 1 month ago
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@LAVB432
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination) and the interests of the population (they decide what their interests are)
The UN asks for a peaceful solution to be found - not for the UK to negotiate handing over the sovereignty of British territory against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@LAVB432
It was you who quoted an ICJ ruling on Morocco - even though in 1977 Argentina, having accepted the jurisdiction of an international court of arbitration on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile, then refused to accept its results..
Argentina has aleady been humiliated in the eyes of the world after it refused to comply with UN Resolution 502 demanding removal the Argentine invaders from the British Falklands - and Argentina will be humiliated again if Kirchner causes more war.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile It complied with Vatican settlement on the Beagle issue - quoted in the last limits traty between Argentina and Chile -. I quoted the advisory opinion only to emphasized the current definition of 'free people determination' ogf the 1514. 502 was complied through force, though it was a millitary gov., not a legitimate one. Finally the only warmonger here is Cameron. Argentina is only using diplomatic and political pressure, if UK is not up to the chalenge, then, negotiate.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@EddieExile UK, in turn, is in current violation of the call to negotiation of the res. 2062. These is even emphatized byt the US, who called both parties to negotiation. ICJ wont have jurisdiction on the matter, finally, because there is a previous res by other organ of the UN system: the decolonization comitee. That wich says that UK and Arg should negotiate. Finally, humillation... only UK who has today colonial strongholds like Chagos and Malvinas
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
The UN resolutions say find a peaceful solution based on self determination - not negotiate handing over sovereignty against the wishes of the population.
Finally - your humiliation - there are 16 territories on the UN colonial list, on 18 May 2010, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon declared at a forum on decolonization. “The world’s 16 remaining territories that do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”,
Kirchner's whining is a joke.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile But people in Malvinas are not natives, as the advisory opinion says they must be. And the resolution you are quotting does not speak of wishes but interests. BIG difference. That was a word put forward by the argentine embassador at that time, wit the intention not to consider the 'wishes' of the islanders. Kirchner winning what? Elections? I do not support her goverment but surely it is better than cameron.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
argentines are not natives either - and their were no native americans on the British Falklands.
UN Resolution 2065 states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the right of self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination). "Self Determination" confirms the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
I referred to Kirchner’s whining ie “to complain or protest in a childish fashion“.
Kirchner is a lunatic.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile Yes, as the french in Argel. Lucky for Argentina, it is not the only country 'complaining'. Add every south american, including Brazil.
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432 Not that it makes any difference, but the other south american countries aren't complaining - they simply pretend to agree with argentina to try and stop the constant whining.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile You will see. Today we argue, but tomorrow, Argentina, Britain, European Union Chile, Brazil, the Commonwealth and UNASUR will be allied against the russian, chinesse, and american claims of Antartica. I believe that can be a ground for negotiation
LAVB432 1 month ago
@LAVB432
Of course peaceful cooperation based on mutual respect is the preferred solution -
in 1990 Argentina and the UK/Falklands set up the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission to coordinate the management of fishing stocks, and in 1995 they agreed to jointly explore for oil and share the proceeds (Argentina unilaterally withdrew from both agreements in 2007)
HoweverAargentina would never put it's own sovereignty up for negotiation and neither will the UK or the Falkland Islands.
EddieExile 1 month ago 2
@LAVB432
Third - UN Resolution 2065 specifically covers the Falklands, and states that a peaceful solution should be found, taking into account the UN Charter (inhabitants rights are paramount), and Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination; to freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development)
If Argentina thinks it has a case - then take it to the ICJ.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile i dont care about your stupid commonwealth is melted into tears, Malvinas is too expensive for your poor pockets , you cant use Sudamerican ports anymore , colonialist , spreading slavery all over the world straight to hell with your hand sullied with other people´s blood . Malvinas Argentinas , Gibraltar a España .
mk2escort79 1 month ago
@mk2escort79
The British Falklands are fully self financing except for defence which cost 0.3% of the UK defence budget – money well spent for the excellent training facilities - and more than enough firepower to destroy any argie invasion attempt.
The UK GDP at over $2 trillion is around 6 times that of debt defaulter argentina's GDP at $350 billion. The UK can use any south american ports, and argentine colonists stole their entire country from native ameticans.
Don't cry.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile , I dont cry , but your numbers are wrong , your ecomony is a wreck , Germany is carrying your wet rock over their shoulders ,you must read the newspapers , Uruguay , Chile and Brazil wont accept Falklands flags anymore , our next step is to stop all chilean flight through argentinian territory to the islands , and former indians belong to Argentina and fought against GB in 1982 , but let us the water flow, old friends, war is over .............long time ago.
mk2escort79 1 month ago
@mk2escort79
You should cry, because the numbers are correct.
And you need to read and understand the newspapers - Germany is carrying the eurozone countries only - not the UK which is not a member. In fact the UK has contributed billions to the eurozone bailout fund.
Twenty ships are affected by the flag ban and they can simply fly the UK flag to enter port - all irrelevant.
And if Argentina is stupid enough to stop family from visiting war graves - we will bury the bodies at sea.
EddieExile 1 month ago
@EddieExile , ok iwont argue anymore , I dont care about the frozen rocks , my country is large enough for us , but i remember the youing boys we left down there , and GB soldiers too , Our Borges said "two baldy men fighting over a comb" , i think he was right , this world is ugly enough , we must imagine a better world to feed good hope , good luck.
mk2escort79 1 month ago
@mk2escort79
OK that's fine - but remember that the freedom of people to choose their own political structure and way of life is extremely important and enshrined in the UN constitution - and is not just a baldy fight. Cheers
EddieExile 1 month ago
que vuelo razante la puta madre!!
exetecla 1 month ago
Hey Super Marcos, look up these on the internet... Irish Guards, Welsh Guards, Scots Guards, Royal Irish Regiment, Black Watch Regiment, Kings Own Scottish Borderers, the Gibraltar Regiment, I could go on as its a long list.. but guess what, none of these are English, but they are all British.
andyindublinireland 2 months ago
England fucking pirates
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
fiiduu 2 months ago
PIRATAS malvinas son argentinas, salgan invasores colonisalistas imperio en decadencia
faustto333 2 months ago 2
Falklands will be British forever.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y no....solo le estamos dando tiempo para q incorporen mas buques y para que inflen gomones para volverse, eso si....esta vez saquen las armas nucleares asi no se van al fondo de nuestro mar como ya paso....y tambien pidan ayuda a papito usa y arodillense ante los franceses para que no nos vendan material de ataque....ahh y tambien recuerden....ir a buscar chinos para que peleen por ustedes....
thepokeman 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y go home ! stay leave our land ! england = extinct colonial empire we will return ! this is our land ! pirates ! ViVA LA PATRIA CARAJO !
matutemelon 2 months ago
@matutemelon return and your get an even worse battering than before. aha. love how you argies think its yours when the people there are British, its never been yours. our government has been waiting for another attempted invasion. recently one mod spokes man said "it would be a turkey shoot, they wouldn't even get close" and they dont try and big themselves up. so have fun, never were a good nation and never will be. we will flatern your citys before you get our islands. ahaha.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y
because, england has arms, but never had the truth, latin america freedom the
english = Pirates
SuperMarcos008 2 months ago
@SuperMarcos008 argentina = forign invaders. ahahahhaha. nice dictatorss.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y
you should read history, the Governador Luis Vernet, and 60 peoples, were invaders for brithis in 1833, remember, english = Pirates, but around the world, ej:: Sud Africa, Africa, India, Pacific Islands, Gibraltar, Asunsion Islands, Hong Kong, Georgias Islands, and........., Irelands, Wales, Scotland.more and more and more countrys around the world, freedom!!!! say Williams Walace!!!!!!
SuperMarcos008 2 months ago
@SuperMarcos008 you should read your history haha. its not just the English in Great Britain you idiot. Wales and Scotland make up huge amount of the armed forces and government etc also. FALKLAND ISLANDS BRITISH FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y
Ok english or islander or Kelper, non problems, you will be welcome to Argentina,
Best Regards, thank you for you opinion.
Malvinas (Español) = Falkland ( English ) = Maulivas ( French ) , you will be welcome to argentina, here there are good steaks, Tango, Football, Mountais, Rivers, Pampas,,,non problems with you opinion, Best regards friendly!!!
SuperMarcos008 2 months ago
@SuperMarcos008 You can be welcome to the British Falkland Islands also, only if you get a visa though... As of course it is and always will be British.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y
are you islander?? have you Facebook, pass me you name and last name and i add you, good years 2012 friendly
SuperMarcos008 2 months ago
@SuperMarcos008 No, I am not a British Islander. Happy New Years to you and Argentina.
badd3sl3y 2 months ago
@badd3sl3y happy new year Kelpers , you are sinking , bye.
mk2escort79 1 month ago
@mk2escort79 nice country hahahahahah
badd3sl3y 1 month ago
@badd3sl3y fuck you
ganjha720 1 month ago
@ganjha720 thank you, i see your mad, you must be from argentina :)
badd3sl3y 1 month ago
@badd3sl3y PIRATES GO HOME!!!!!!!!
auriazulforever 2 weeks ago
las islas malvinas son de argentina they are anithing here get out fucks
Maxartsdoidea 3 months ago
britanicos se les esta acabando el tiempo...para discutir soberania
joslou 3 months ago
@joslou There is no time limit on the Falkland Islanders' right of self determination
EddieExile 3 months ago
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SnipermanElite 3 months ago
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@EddieExile The Argentines who lived in Malvinas in 1833 also had the right of self determination, but anyway British forces took the islands and expeled them from their homes. The only motive by which Islanders fear the Argentine government is because British government brainwashed them with the idea that Argentina wants to do the same that Britain did in 1833.
SnipermanElite 3 months ago
malvinas argentinas
englanloser 4 months ago
malvinas argentinas
englanloser 4 months ago
French missiles and a little vaseline yummi !
lordveider 5 months ago
@lordveider and argentine pilots :D jaja
negreblodyman 5 months ago
@LittleFelicitas
The UK will discuss everything about the Falklands except handing over sovereignty.
Argentina will only discuss handing over sovereignty.
Your English will improve again , but the issue will never be resolved.
EddieExile 5 months ago
@EddieExile UK no habla de soberania por que ya la tiene, ellos hablan de petroleo, pesca y todas sus actividades economicas. hasta antes de la guerra (1982), los habitantes de Malvinas no tenian ningun beneficio, eran ciudadanos de segunda. Hasta venian a estudiar a Argentina. saludos
negreblodyman 5 months ago
@negreblodyman
The Falkland Islanders always had the right of self determination and rejected any takeover by Argentina.
The British Falklands are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU, and control all of their own economic activities and resources. The people also studied and still study in the UK.
It is Argentina that has withdrawn from all economic cooperation with the British Falklands.
EddieExile 5 months ago
@EddieExile self determination w t f never. becouse is dot not your land go back to england bennyss
englanloser 3 months ago
@englanloser
yep self determination - go back to spain spic losers
EddieExile 3 months ago
Impure pirates give back to Argentina their colonialistas excrement islands…. .sin North American aid do not hacian anything OUTSIDE… PIRATES!
faustto333 5 months ago
@LittleFelicitas
Cameron never said "nothing to talk about" - he said no talks on handing over sovereignty against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
Kirchner's insults and threats will never achieve anything and will only lead to more heartache for Argentines.
EddieExile 5 months ago
@LittleFelicitas that right - at least until after the election when maybe Kirchner will calm down a little...
EddieExile 5 months ago
@LittleFelicitas welcome back ! (I had a break as well) seems nothing has changed - except Kirchner is inflaming people even more ...
EddieExile 5 months ago
@LittleFelicitas of course - ( the young Eduardo :) ) are you the old delfi dolphin :)
EddieExile 5 months ago
argie trolls still trolling....
EddieExile 5 months ago
Eduardo still spamming....
Insomniac115 5 months ago
Drivel with caplocks is still drivel.
EddieExile 5 months ago
SI ENTRA ALGUN PILOTO DE LA F.A.A QUE COMBATIO QUIERO DECIRLE QUE ESTOY MUY ORGULLOSO DE LO QUE HICIERON EN EL ATLANTICO SUR Y QUIEN SABE CUANDO SE VOLVERAN A VER TIPOS CON TANTAS PELOTAS COMO ELLOS ESPERO ALLAN PASADO ESA SENTIDO DEL DEVER Y PATRIOTISMO A ALAS SIGUIENTES GENERACIONES SE QUE SON MUCHOS Y NO SOLO DE LA F.A.A TAN BIEN DE LA ARMADA BUEN TRABAJO MUCHACHOS ESOS HIJOS DE PUTAS YA SABEN QUE A TOMAR EL TE ACA NO VINIERON
englanloser 5 months ago
@Eddieposted But the people of Argentina also won - they got rid of the imperialist junta which had already killed around 30,000 Argentinians.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@Eddieposted I have spoken to a Pole who admitted passing on information relating to the liberating forces in 1982 - so we can say that the imperialists had the support of the communists. Peru at the same time was pursuing its war and territorial aggrandisement against Ecuador so was also in the imperialist camp.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@Eddieposted Well done!! You win the prize!
alanheath3 8 months ago
@Eddieposted no se recibió nada ni de venezuela ni brasil. lo unico que hiso brasil fue detener un Vulcan... y dudo mucho lo de Rusia... Por tu parte, inglaterra recibio ayuda de chile, armas norteamericanas (EJ: sidewinder) e informacion satelital norte americana. ademas combatieron los gurkhas, la guardia galeza, un grupo de paracaidistas de Escocia y combatientes de Irlanda.
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman Estoy seguro que las fuerzas de Pacto de Varsavia estaba espiando a la flota britanica - supongo que la informacion fue pasdado a la junta argentina (eso he leido) pero claramente no podria decir 100% que eso paso.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 si? puede ser, yo tenia entendido que no, pero no creo que hayan pasado las posiciones de nada, ya que cuando se producian los ataques aereos de la FAA o la ARA, estos eran guiados por observadores en tierra O Aeronaves de reconocimiento, como fue el caso de los buques en bahia san carlos los cuales los diviso owen crippa en un Aermacchi MB 326, en el cual ataco una fragata con solo metralleta y chohetes. HEROE CRIPPA HEROE!
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@alanheath3 para que entiendas a lo que me refiero malvinense. com ar/ quienglag. html
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman Intente pero ....... El archivo o url no fue encontrada.
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Es verdad que los EEUU y Chile ayudo al Reino Unido. Los gurhkas, guardia galezia, guardia esoces etc son parte del ejercito del Reino Unido. No entiendo que quieres decir por paracaidistas de Escocia - no sabia que existia una unidad asi.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 hola, disculpeme, antes debe colocar h"t"t·p w"w"w"...... lo se, dentro del reino unido estaban esas tropas, En cuanto a los paracaidistas, en el documental "malvinas, la guerra que pudo ser" el comandante Jeremy moore en un momento hablo de un regimiento de paracaidistas escoceses que eran muy profesionales, los cuales lucharon contra el BIM 5. saluds
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman Eso era evidente! Lo hice! Tal vez hay algo misentendido - en cuanto a lo se no hay un regimento paracaidistas escoceses en el ejercito pero claro que hay gente de alli en los regimentes de paracaidistas.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 los escoceses se independizaron del Reino Unido en el siglo XIV, no se en que año de este siglo exactamente, ahora, que paso despues no se.
argentinoemanuel1 6 months ago
@argentinoemanuel1 El Reino Unido no existio en el siglo XIV. En 1603 el re de Escocia devino el re de Inglaterra tambien - de esta manera las coronas de ambos paises fueron unidas. El pais fue unido 100 anos despues.
alanheath3 6 months ago
@alanheath3 ahi esta, no me se mucha historia de ellos, conrazon.
argentinoemanuel1 6 months ago
@Eddieposted Argentina compro armas a todo el mundo para invadir malvinas?? ahi si que le erraste feo eh... primero. no fue una invasión, fue una RECUPERACION. 2. Para recuperar malvinas solo le compramos armas a Francia(Sue, Exocet), a Estados Unidos (A-4) y a peru durante la guerra, el cual nos facilito mas exocet y aviones Mirage V. a Israel se le compro aviones mucho antes de la guerra de malvinas, apra el conflicto contra CHILE, Cuba y la URSS ofrecieron ayuda, pero esta fue denegada
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman La junta Argentina ha comprado armas tambien del Reino Unido.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 si, como por ejemplo el sistema de armas MK 62 camberra, ademas de bombas que llevaban los A-4, sacadas del avro lincoln
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted El unico buque hundido ARGENTINO comparable a los de la royal navy fue el GRAL. BELGRANO, los otros lanchones de asalto no valian mas de 300.000 ussd. mientras una fragata inglesa costaba 500 millones..
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman 500 miliones de que? Pesos argentinos?
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 un F-16 block 50/ 52 a lso chilenos les costo 46 millones de dolares. te pensas que una fragata tipo 42 esta menos de 500 millones?
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman pff disculpame, 100 millones de PESOS ARGENTINOS. los F 16 46 millones de pesos chilenos. LA fragata tipo 42 23 millones de dolares.
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@negreblodyman No se cuanto cuesta una fregata pero mi sembra que hoy es parecido a un avion de combate - hace trenta anos - no se pero no me parece. Tel vez no tengo razon.
alanheath3 8 months ago
@alanheath3 nah no creo las fragatas tambien se hacen mas caras, tienen radares a bordo mas sofisticados, mas computadoras, armamento, personal mas entrenado, etc... yo creo que hoy en dia la proporcion se mantiene.
DreamVikings 6 months ago
@DreamVikings Puede ser. No se!
alanheath3 6 months ago
@Eddieposted pero yo te hablo en cuanto a la fuerza aerea argentina vs la royal navy, ahi es donde digo que la guerra economica la gano la fuerza aerea
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted Royal navy perdon, me confundi con la RAF. pero los sea harriers solo derribaron 1 avion en combate A-A, el derribo de skyhawks y daggers cuando realizaban bombardeos se denomino CAZA DE PATOS. no lo digo yo, si no julian thompson, woodward, o cualquier piloto de combate.
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted .. fuera de combate, y otros 8 alcanzados fue muy duro economicamente hablando, que tan solo una decena de skyhawks y daggers que no llegan ni a 1/4 del precio de alguno de los buques ingleses.. entonces, la guerra economica, la perdio inglaterra.
saludos
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted ..... no se puede mencionar ningun combate entre fuerzas aereas, ya que estas solo se dedicaron a bombardear buques britanicos, o en cierto caso, el campamento de Jeremy Moore... En otros casos cuando las " PACS" (Harriers) iban al encuentro con los skyhawks, estos retrocedian cuando divisaban que eran escoltados por mirage III. Entonces.. fue la fuerza aerea derrotada por la RAF?..
yo creo que en todo caso, el combate fue entre la royal navy y la FAA. donde 6 buques hundidos, 12 ..
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted sorry pero te escribo en español. No es correcto decir que una fuerza aerea vencio a la otra en el caso malvinas. por que solo hubo 2 enfrentamientos Aire-Aire, donde en 1 enfrentamiento ninguno de las dos secciones se encontraron y no se produjo ninguna baja. en el 2 enfrentamiento fue un IAI Dagger vs 2 sea harrier, donde el dagger disparo un MATRA pero este fue esquivado por el sea harrier, mientras el otro le disparo un sidewinder por detras. En lo que enfoca a los Skyhawk ...
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted of course.. the argentinean ships ran away, the FAA no.
negreblodyman 8 months ago
@Eddieposted yes.. the royal navy losers...
negreblodyman 8 months ago
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The UN Decolonization Committee adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadnt been implemented by the UK
111jasy111 8 months ago
@Eddieposted I had a go - I thought it was a puzzle. I could not solve the riddle though!
alanheath3 8 months ago
Rather silly sitting in a helicopter during an air raid which was an obvious target it seems to me. Maybe they did not have time to get out?
alanheath3 8 months ago
They are never going to haceptar that Argentina a South American country them damage to its ship standard, the invensible aircraft carrier hms. .seria one verguenza world-wide for England… damn gives back those that do not belong to them.
faustto333 8 months ago
Gloria a nuestros pilotos... GLORY TO OUR PILOTS
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
ArgRosario1 9 months ago
ajajajaj yo creo que ese eddieposted es britanico, creo pero no estaria mal dudar puede ser chileno, quedaria perfecto es raro ver como se ensaña con estos temas como si fuera una obligacion, eso es raro, el tipo parece desesperado por querer dar su version de cualquier modo no lo tengan encuenta esta medio loco.
Leogalvanhalen 10 months ago
Fear!! they step?? haha!!
Frankdanny51 1 year ago
Pensa que nuestra aviación hoy no puede volar un aeroplano! Gracias Kirchner y su gobierno de cipayos soviéticos.
jabgaucho 1 year ago 2
Eddieposted = chileno camuflado. blockeenlo de todos los videos che.
bufixteam 1 year ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS. EN 1982 NO TERMINO EL JUEGO VAMOS POR LO NUESTRO. CHILENOS RESENTIDOS VENIDOS A ANGLOSAJONES ABTENERSE.
hernannDpg 1 year ago
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hernannDpg 1 year ago
@Eddieposted Ok so this must be a lie according to you : "In 1774, as a result of economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War, the United Kingdom withdrew unilaterally from many of her overseas settlements, including Port Egmont."
Eche24 1 year ago
@Eddieposted First, why where those military ilegal? Second, the british left the island for good, and then they came back and of course they didn't give a crap about "Self determination" of the people living there.
But well, pirates are pirates.
Eche24 1 year ago
@Eddieposted Yeah sure, So I go, conquer Cuba, expell all cubans and put a lot of people from my country and so i can keep the island because of self determination. That's how the UN works, it's governed by 5 countries and everyone else does not count for anything. Go see Iraq and Afghanistan, the US invaded because they wanted to without any kind of authorization and were they penalized? No because they rule the UN.
Eche24 1 year ago
@Eddieposted Anyways,still more British descent.
ArgentinOOsauruS 1 year ago
@Eddieposted ...
Well I'm Spanish descent ,and my best friend is Italian Descent..what i want to say,is , that we're descent from everywhere not just from Spain.
It's different when you talk about Malvinas. There are just BRITISH descent , buddy.
ArgentinOOsauruS 1 year ago
@Eddieposted they had chose stay as " british " , 'cause they are british!
or at least, british descendent.
ArgentinOOsauruS 1 year ago
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ArgentinOOsauruS 1 year ago
@argentema1 You are right, eddieposted is not only an ignorant and a liar, but also a fool who thinks that things would be different just because he says so.
Argentina was not trying to hold the islands militarily and even so we almost won.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh Almost isn't good enough.
TheDogonebad 1 year ago
@Eddieposted Lost badly my boy? it took 10 days to 20000 Germans to defeat 43000 well dug in British in Crete in ww2 while it took 50 days to 29000 British to defeat 12000 Argentine conscripts even when Argentina did nothing to defend its islands militarily.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh Do you enjoy cut and pasting?, you give exactly the same comment all over YT.
TheDogonebad 1 year ago
@TheDogonebad And I will repeat the same old truths till you lot understand it or till you stop repeating the same lies.
Arminevh 1 year ago
@Arminevh and @Eddieposted - I think such a discussion makes no sense. What does it mean 'lost badly'? How badly? In terms of failing to achieve objectives Argentina lost 'badly' (if one like this word), because had to leave the islands and the chances to even share sovereignty were reduced to zero. In terms of losses in human lives and equipment it was not so bad, compared to similar conflicts. So it depends how do you look at the issue.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago