Tenets of "finance capitalism": Privatize the profits - socialize the losses. Use any and all means (propaganda, lies, murder) to keep the fact hidden that the money supply is in private hands, and that a banking cartel has engineered for themselves (over 200 + years of lies and murder) the ability to CREATE MONEY FROM NOTHING & CHARGE US FOR USING IT. The money con is crushing us & it can't be fixed in our favor! RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CHOICE!
Where WERE all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
Where we all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
Where we all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
Don't care 4 Spitzer & his mishaps. Rand was asked to name 1 program he'd cut, & couldn't answer the question. I don't fall for the Dem-vs-Rep mind control bull. They're all full of it. This guy apparently doesn't truly have a plan to help America like he promised his supporters & the people, because if he really did, he would've simply answer the question. He based his whole campaign on cut government spending, and danced his way around the question. These tea bag people don't have a real plan.
@alessandrozerbone Cut Spitzers hooker fund? Is that the best you can think of to bring to this open forum about the man whom you seem to support? If you are even a hint of a representation of the people who support these Republican candidates, then I see why they did so well in this election.
Wow, I was just flipping threw channels on my t.v., and I stopped on the Parker Spitzer show, and Rand Paul just got his back side handed to him by Spitzer.
Spitzer just exposed him on the issue of where he would do cuts to help shrink the deficit, which he adamantly ran his campaign on, and he couldn't name one cut. He kept running around the question and really exposed himself as a fraud.
@mizzphilly60 Actually Spitzer got destroyed by Paul. When Spitzer tried to get Paul to state his income, Paul shot back "you want to talk about your past? I dont think so"! BAHAHAHA Sptizer had a defeated look on his face, as a deafeated fool should look. Sptizer didnt want Rand to talk about Sptitzers hookers!
@calimar28 Thanks for your reply. You've confirmed my whole point with another person on this blog that Tee ballers repubs have plenty of empty rhetoric and no plan to bring to the table that helps all. Spitzer was pointing out that the man you support is talking about cuts everywhere except where it may effect himself and his friends, then he spun himself out of it by threatening to bring up Spitzer's personal life. He should've answered the question about the issues and his plan.
@mizzphilly60 Askign a docor what his personal income is, is not a personal attack? Of course doctors make a lot, so he wanted Paul to look bad by asking his income. Spitzer is a liberal hack who was trying a "gotcha", and he got his very ass handed to him.
@calimar28 I DON'T CARE ABOUT SPITZER OR RAND. I'm not taking sides. I think Spitzer was trying to make a point within his question of Dr. Rand's personal finances because he makes money from healthcare. That's like a conflict of interest if you think about it. He more than likely won't make cuts in the healthcare bill cuts that may effect what Doctors will benefit from through the healthcare bill.
@mizzphilly60 Askign a doctor what his personal income is, is not a personal attack? Of course doctors make a lot, so he wanted Paul to look bad by asking his income. Spitzer is a liberal hack who was trying a "gotcha", and he got his very ass handed to him.
everyday, rand paul somehow convinces himself that he's not balding by wearing that silly toupee. how can we trust him to be honest with us when he can't even be honest with himself?
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions... Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome's, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.' " - Marcus Tullius Cicero
after watching Rand Paul thugs beat down a woman in kentucky, I'm now convinced that the tea party people are another branch of the KKK... no room in American for people like that
Well ain't this Paul about a dumb motherfucker! Haha! We used to see motherfuckers like this with white sheets on their heads down around here. New mask for a OLD ass! HEEHAW, HEEHAW. You don't fool me, politician.
You're what's wrong with America. You are what is destroying this country. He's a doctor, he saves lives. He is an ethical person with great understanding of economics. What do you do besides slander people on the internet. You're a spineless piece of trash.
@nimportekoiTheory Yah, I'm sure a few Nazi doctors saved a few lives too along the way. If I'm what's wrong with America, then you're what's wrong with Mexico, motherfucker! O-LAY!
@nimportekoiTheory Maybe you'd like to remove your foot from my neck, Mr. Paul. Your giddiness in being cruel has shown you to be right up Tea Party alley. I hope you aren't a lion or a Hitlerite, because you sure act like both. It's "law of the jungle" for you, sir. However, I look at actions over words. America is for freedom. I'm sure you can find some Neo-Nazi organization that would better suit your needs somewhere down there.. Try Cuddalore.
Where is your evidence that Rand Paul is racist? He is nothing of the sort. Your slander is absolutely appalling. You're reading verbatim the talking points of Dick Cheney. You sir side with Dick Cheney, the war monger.
The racist Tea Tards worship dumbass twerp politicians who rode on their Daddy's coattails their whole lives like PCP-smoking Rand Paul & cokehead drunk GWB! LOL!!!
Paul wants to fix the debt by extending bush tax cuts which has screwed our economy. If you all could remeber , ten years ago we had surpluses under clinton who raised taxes on rich people, then bush fed it up by increaseing spending and lowering taxes, now these godam gop people are saying, put us back in, and we'll do the same thing, and the worst thing is, they're going to win! It's like they forgot how great things were in the late 90s early 00s compared to now.
@wdhoctor It's not the tax cuts that screwed our economy, our economy got screwed despite the tax cuts. The root cause of the financial crisis was the government housing affordability act, which created a distortion of risk in the market, coupled with pervasively low interest rates from the Fed it created a market for irresponsible lending, by removing risk from the equation.
@wdhoctor The Clinton administration had only one year (when you include appropriations to medicare) which had a budget surplus, but that surplus was actually not really a surplus when you consider the fact that the boost in tax revenues of the year I am speaking of was created by an influx of capital gains tax revenue which was larger than normal due to the appreciation of stocks created by the dot com bubble.
if people can get past their ZOMG LIBRUL MEDIA blinders for half a second, I would like to direct them to Matt Taibi's Rolling Stone piece recounting Rand Paul's fall from grace - from libertarian, anti-TARP agitator to water-carrying GOP house boy.
does this seriously not piss you guys off at least as much as the Democrats librul agenda?? i mean, at least they're honest about big govt. and if it doesn't, then you're basically a fake and a stooge. congratulations.
If Rand Paul had his way the proprietor of the cafe my wife and I were eating in could walk up to the couple sitting near us and state that they do not serve black people.
This is the type of small government he wants, a government that would not protect people from greedy fat cats on Wall Street or large corporations shipping jobs out of the country.
No regulations for anything, just the golden rule, those with all the gold make all the rules.
@AntEyeTheist Wow, you are a fucking idiot. Stop pulling the race card, you race baiting motherfucker, people can see right through it. Get teabagged, bitch.
@AntEyeTheist That is correct, constitutionally, a person has a right to their own private property including their own business, which implies they do have the right to segregate for whatever reason.
Laws ought to be indiscriminate, that is they should not be based on a persons skin color or personal beliefs however disagreeable - the right to personal property implies the right to segregate and to be racist.
@AntEyeTheist Every law the government passes it ultimately enforces by the end of a gun. It is not the role of government to impose it's own morality, morality is the domain of civil activists. The mode of change is not to impose desegregation by force, but to educate through civil discourse, including protesting or boycotting.
Private property ought to be seen as sacred, when this notion is abolished it invites the possibility that the same right can be infringed upon for less noble a cause.
That's a ridiculous conclusion. Just because he would vote to extend tax cuts doesn't mean he is voting to add to the deficit. I'm sure he wouldn't vote to increase spending on anything. If you vote to extend the tax cuts AND vote to keep spending, then sure, you are contributing to the deficit. You keep throwing this "4 trillion" out there. This only applies to congressman who would carry on spending. He has made it clear that he would not.
Ran Paul has said that if he makes it to the senate he will veto any budget thats not balanced. He also has come out in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts which would add about 4 trillion dollars to the deficit. How do these two statements not conflict?
@momentofsciencetx He can still vote against the budget and vote FOR the tax cuts, that doesn't come into conflict at all. He would never vote to increase spending, just like he would never vote to increase taxes.
@Gasolinealley00 yes but the reasoning for voting against any budget thats not balanced is so that the national debt is not increased, to reduce and eventually eliminate the the national debt. If you vote to extend the Bush tax cuts you vote to add 4 trillion to the defecit. Also I would guess he would vote against any additional funding to the troops as well as these fundings are never balanced.
Rand Paul 2010 which is NOW people! Im doing my part, same as we did for his "Taxpayers best friend" father. This time lets not let the controlled MSM get away with the lies they continually espouse. Lets get some real politicians in DC for a real CHANGE we can believe in!
@thorntongifts LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The new class of Republican and tea party llawmakers who charged into office promising to shun the ways of Washington. But even as they publicly bash the capital's culture, many have quietly begun to embrace it. the new freshman of the congress all which are being paid by lobbyist hahahahha and that includes rand paul! hahahahhahahahhaha ohh yes lets take the country back to the lobbyist and special interests, what bunch of ignorant crackers
Liberals love to avoid real philosophical debates about the role of government by labeling their political opponents "racists" or "homophobes" or "xenophobes" or "rednecks" or whatever other name they can come up with. Name-calling is what someone does when they don't have any truth to fall back on.
@USAforever612 You tell me what is the role of government...
What is wrong on the poor demanding more right and services from society?
What is wrong with gov enforcing law that protect minorities? you want it all for you, uh? what do you have that you are afraid the gov is going to take from you to give it to the poor?
@billybob101013 Is that why he offered free-eye care to the less fortunate as an Optometrist? Some of the less fortunate ones he helped were that of color.
@rast123456789 i want to come to your home an beat the shit out of you can you tell me where live? an you address please an send some gas money please?
Paul is a fool and his agenda ends up hurting the most vulnerable of the American people with his BS rhetoric. I don't like the Democrats either but this Paultard is one of the most hypocritical types at his future 174,000 a year job. But its Kentucky and they are that stupid.
I like some of Rand Pauls ideas about personal liberties but when he supports unchecked free markets with zero regulations and defends BP of all things and now he's saying that unemployed people should just go back to work. I guess he thinks jobs are just falling out of the sky or something. The man is just too idealogical to to be elected to any national office.
@aptex 1- He does NOT advocate zero regulation, just a regulatory system that evaluates overall risk, not hundreds of regulatory agencies managing bits of pieces of companies without knowing overall risk, or corruption/fraud.
2- He does NOT defend BP of all things, but I do agree with you he said some things about BP that I am totally against (like supporting them after they consistently lie). He would do away with the liability cap, and let them deal with the mess... but he's too nice to BP
@aptex Don't let that BS of "personal liberties" fool you. Who has more liberties the Rich or the Poor? What's wrong if a poor father demands more better schooling for his children? Does your family have the same liberties the family of Ron Paul has?
R Paul wants the poor to keep what they have which is nothing, and the Rich to keep what they have(the whole country) and the gov. don't give nothing to no one. I want gov provides BASIC services to every one.
@platano1742 Youre right thats why I cant get on board with Ron Paul and his son and any of those other corporate libertarians because they never want to address the huge income disparity thats prevalent in this country. Its mind boggling how they think its perfectly okay to just get rid of our few safety nets or what they call "entitlements" while still supporting the status quo that allowed 2% of the population to hoard 90% of the country's wealth.
@aptex He's against gov and corps in bed together which makes to big too fails. Why should I have to take care of other peoples problems? the disparety is true but what's the alternative. The Pauls want to end the income taxes that would help us all.
@platano1742 I guess your sense of the political spectrum is lacking subtlety. RP barely resembles any other Republican out there. It's like comparing Kucinich to Obama.
@reefpirate What Republican want? Give all the power to the capitalist. What did Ronald Reagan want? give all the power to the capitalist . What does R.Paul want? give all the power to the capitalist. If he walks like a Republican, if he opposes Health care Reform like a Republican, then he is a Republican...and if he want to abolish Civil Right Act of 1960s then he is Racist Republican.
@platano1742 Republicans, the majority of them, are bad for capitalism and good for embedded bankers. The Democrats are the same. And by the way, RP is a way better capitalist than Reagan.
He doesn't want to abolish the Civil Rights Act, so I guess he's not a racist. His Democrat opposition lied about this, and he never said he wanted to repeal the Act. He had an issue with 1 of the 10 rules in the CRA. I guess that's a little too subtle for your taste.
@reefpirate If you don't like the government enforcing a law that means you don't support that law. Do you have an issue with the gov enforcing sanitation law in a restaurant?
Both Pauls and R. Reagan want less gov regulation I want gov regulation. Do you?
The Pauls are two demagogues who dislike the poor demanding more rights, and more services from society.
@platano1742 Sanitation laws are the most melvolent, but I have a problem with thinking we would be unclean if it weren't for the gov't.
I dislike a lot of regulations.
I think the poor should have the same rights as everyone else. The problem is, that people who have access to gov't power have more rights than those who do not. If you limit gov't power, then it makes society more prosperous. Enriching gov't power makes the poor poorer, and only a few become rich.
@reefpirate you are almost getting it....keep thinking, keep thinking...
The Rich have more access to every thing, not just the gov. They have more access to music, art, technologies, education, health, sport, etc. If we don't have the gov enforcing rules the rich are going to take the whole country at once and we, the poor will not have access to any thing. I am not asking for the gov to help the poor to become rich, I'm asking for BASIC services for all of us.
@platano1742 I don't care how much access the rich have to music, art, education or whatever. Are we going to mandate some sort of cultural program for the poor? Ridiculous.
Here's a clue: The rich can't take over a country. To do that, you need an army and a police force. Now who has that? The rich are ruining this country, but only because they have access to huge amounts of power in the gov't. And people who want social programs like you, keep giving them more.
@platano1742 This debate would be a lot simpler if you just came out of the closet and admitted whatever brand of socialism or anarchism you support. You're obviously anti-capitalist, so that doesn't leave you a lot of options for what you're in favour of. Theocratism? Communism? Social Democrat perhaps? Just spit it out, so we both know where eachother stands.
@reefpirate Demagogy or demagoguery (Ancient Greek: δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos "people" and ἄγειν agein "to lead") is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public—typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes. Wikipedia
@platano1742 "What qualifies as demagogy has been the subject of debate and ambiguity since Aristophanes first used the term, in reference to Cleon." -Wikipedia
We continue the debate. Yet, calling RP a demagogue doesn't really amount to much, considering how ambiguous the term is. I guess you'll have to resort to using reasoned arguments to counter RP's positions instead of simply calling him an ambiguous name.
reefpirate, I am calling the Pauls Demagogues because their strategy for gaining political power is by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public— via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist(wikipedia)
They r telling you they want individual freedom, but at the same time telling you if you demand rights, society has to take it from some one else to give it to you. He defends the rich against the poor.
@platano1742 JS Mill differentiated between positive and negative rights. We're debating between the two. I think the only proper rights are negative rights, rights to be free from gov't. You are in favor of positive rights, rights 'to' some product or service... housing, food, healthcare, education, etc.
Be definition, if the poor demand rights to housing, food, anything of economic value, then it MUST be taken from somebody else. Gov't doesn't produce anything. This is unjust, I believe.
@reefpirate just the BS R Paul says. Every thing is produced in society is a product of all of us. One simple nail is the product of the entire society. The wealth of a nation is produced by all of us. Our country produces good, distributes these goods among us, and we consume these goods. For all those process there have to be rule in place. The gov is a product of all of us. One of its function is to enforce rules, other wise we would kill each other
@platano1742 Gov't has a role, you're right. It should be in enforcing property rights and individual rights of freedom. But the country does not own the wealth of the people. I don't produce any nails. I don't chop down any trees. I don't own any factories, I've never engineered anything in my life. So how is it that I can then claim ownership over someone else's property? I can't without injustice. The gov't does this all the time, with unjust laws.
@reefpirate The gov does not own the wealth of the people. We own the govt. The government works for all of us(Rich and poor, black and white etc) And it enforces laws to help us to live in civilized manner. Other wise we would keel each other. The government also guarantee Basic services are available for all of us in case we need them. Ran Paul does not understand that. Those so called libertarian want to destroy the government so the Rich have absolute power over us.
@platano1742 Ok, good. I'm glad you realize they don't own our wealth, and nor should they. But do you also realize that to provide these 'Basic services', they have to consume some wealth in the country? Not only through taxation, but very often through inflation because they don't have the guts to tax the full cost of these programs. If they did tax us, our money would be worth more, but we would also all be broke. So either way, 'basic services' are too expensive.
@platano1742 Ie., if you believe so strongly that the poor should have these economic resources, you are free to spend your own wealth. Go ahead, and pitch in to buy food or shelter for the poor. Charity does not depend on the gov't. Enforced charity through wealth confiscation is basically theft.
@reefpirate We all live in society to help each other. we don't live in caves any more. Society has to provide services to all of us. That's the purpose of living in society.
If we are living in a country where executives makes 140 million dollars bonus plus salaries and the vast majority make 40 k a year....that's too much of a difference. The poor will not be able to buy any thing and the country will fail.
@platano1742 I repeat: Spend your own money on charity, and quite demanding it be stolen from others. In a just society, workers and capitalists are rewarded for providing services to customers through contracts.
These bonuses you complain about? Could not exist without gov't support. These banks would have FAILED without your glorious gov't.
Our country will fail, but not for the reasons you state. Our money will be worthless if we keep printing it for stupid projects, like bank bailouts.
@reefpirate I am talking about BASIC services society has to provide for all of us. You might not need Well Fare now, but it's good to know the if you needed it one day, it's there for you. You prob have health insurance from your job, but if you lost your job. it's good to know that Society will not let you die.
About Bailouts, Imagine you riding your bicycle: if you stop pedaling the bicycle eventually stop. there is always room for improvement, but bailouts are tricks gov has to do sometimes
@reefpirate Society should guarantee basic services for all of us in case we need them. It's called living in Civilize country. If you never need Well Fare, good for you, but there are some who need it. There are others who abuse the system, yes. Ron Paul thinks society providing BASIC SERVICES for all people is stealing from the Rich. He is wrong. To me, he only defending the rich
@platano1742 Ok... so what politician doesn't appeal to people's fears, emotions, etc.? And besides, some fear is rational. Some emotions are rational. If Paul is a demagogue, then I guess Obama is a demagogue on steroids, because he won the election with a lot of emotion. Prejudice worked in his favour too.
And where does the money for welfare come from? Where is the money for healthcare going to come from, if not from members of society? Does it come from nothingness?
@reefpirate Money for Well fare come from all of us. I don't think Wellfare is bad idea. That money not only helps the poor, but it also help to revive local economies. Well Fare Checks are spent locally. Big Corporation gets sort of Well Fare too. They get Tax breaks. There are people who abuse of Well fare, and so there are Rich farmers who gets checks because they always tell the gov the had bad season; All they have to do is stop planting. Again, reefpirate, keep up the good thinking.
How he stands on immigration i don't know. But what is happening now is a sad situation with the number of 3rd world people and muslims comming in the country. Loook at France now almost one fifth muslims.
@mr22jake22 Go Rand Paul! You are MORE effective than David Duke ever was. Always show that Fiscal prudence side......never the other.....You'll be in!
RON AND RAND PAUL FOR PREZ AND VP!FREEMASONS FOR PAUL!!!!! Ron's lovely wife is an eastern star member and they have been a great support for masonry to shine their light.One love,one god-fremasons will guide us!!!!!
Rand Paul and Ron Paul are both racists. The fact Paul would even name his son "Rand" (as in Aryan Rand who said the slaughter of Native Americans was justified because they weren't capitalists) disgusts me! Ron Paul also published racist and homophobic newsletters from 1989 to 1994.
@KKKonservativeBlog I wish they were racist...we need some racist running the nation for a change, so we can stop this pitiful 3rd world immigration that is overunning our nation and threatins' to turn the USA into a shithole. But unfortainatly, Rand and Ron Paul are not racist....sadly in my opinion.
@calimar28 - Hey, at least you right-wingers are admitting you approve of racism/fascism. We don't even have to argue against you people anymore, you make yourselves look like crazies for us. Hitler/Mussolini agree with you on the immigration thing. Hope the Aryan thing works out for you... which it won't. This country is built of immigrants, idiot.
@KKKonservativeBlog White immigrants. From 1911 to 1968 the law was 3 whites for every dark that immigrated here...which is why this country was so great. Ever since then, the 3rd world has poured in, and the nation has been in decline.
you all talk like bush did this and obama did that. THEY ARE JUST ACTORS IDIOTS! THE CFR THE BILDERBERGERS CONTROLS THESE PUPPETS WAKE UP AMERIKA AND STOP WATCHING DANCING WITH THE STARS.
It is so funny that conservatives didn't make a peep when Bush ran up the debt so high after Clinton had lowered it.
Our economy is in crisis so of course we had to spend money to keep a Depression from happening. Once our economy starts moving, income will go up for families and the government.
@sophiemarie49 Unfortunately that's not the way it works. It has never worked that way. Also, conservatives did speak up when Bush ran up the deficit...many Republicans didn't...don't confuse the two.
Obama has taken under 2 years to raise our deficit by numbers that took Bush 8 years. Tax cuts work. Over spending doesn't. The spending that was done is merely a temporary fix...a band aid on a gun shot wound if you will. It may stop the bleeding temporarily but it won't heal the wound.
It sounds all fine in dandy, but in reality this country has too many entitlements to pay for and too many pork barel projects to fund. The only way to get out of debt is to get rid of social security, medicaid, and defense spending.-OUCH!
PSASTEVEENS: WHEN DID YOU START YOUR JOB FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND WHY? DON'T YOU GET IT? ONCE THEY ARE THROUGH WITH US, YOU'RE NEXT. THEY ARE POISONING YOUR WATER AND AIR AND FOOD AS WELL AS OURS - SO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN THEIR HEARTS, BE ADVISED, THEY DO NOT HAVE HEARTS. THINK 911. AS STAGED AS A BROADWAY PLAY.
MEDIA! KEEP UP THE ATTACKS ON RAND PAUL. ONLY STRENGTHENS HIS ;POSITION. HOW MANY "TIME" MAGAZINES SOLD TODAY? ALMOST ZILCH? BECAUSE WE'RE WAKING UP. YOUR ATTACKS ON HIS VIEWS ON DISCRIMINATION ONLY PROVE THAT HE IS NOT DISCRIMINATORY. UNLESS YOU WANT GUYS WAITING TABLES AT HOOTERS.
rand paul's judgement is poor. We don't need any more foolish people in Washington. He thinks palin would make a good President! Watch, at 7 minutes into the vid he says it. We have enough fools in Washington lets not send another!
Google: Rand Paul: Sarah Palin would make a great president because "she is likable"
@qsteveens This is the primary reason why people voted for Barack Obama, so in theory it isn't any more foolish than your crowd, although Rand's words here have less to do with Palin running and him paying back a favor for her support. I don't particularly care for Palin either, but in order to keepyour base on your side, you have to play politics. Everyone does it, get over yourself.
@hellsunicorn If rand actually felt that palin was qualified, his judgement is poor. If rand said she was qualified while knowing she isn't, he'a a liar.
I don't any other options. If it's "just playing politics", I don't want those kind of people representing me in Washington.
No, everyone doesn't do it. Sad you think they do.
@psteveens Name ONE politician who hasn't flip-flopped in order to advance a political cause or his own career. Ralph Nader is a union buster (not that I see that as a bad thing, but I'm certain you probably would), Dennis Kucinich thinks that abortion is now okay because his hot Aussie wife is leading him around by his genitals. And leave us not forget ole' Barry Soetoro, who now thinks war and predator drones can be fun. Get over yourself.
@psteveens Furthermore, every person is a liar on some level, I have proof both from personal experience and testimony from scripture on that, so this demand of total honesty is pretty hypocritical and comical, because you as a human being can not practice it as consistently as you demand of others. Furthermore, take a look at this ( watch?v=p3M1DdEsIl8 ) and get over yourself.
@hellsunicorn Sorry you have nothing but liars around you. I have some around me too but I insist on better from my representatives.
It sounds like you are trying hard to find excuses for rand. I advise against it. There have been far too many lies in Washington. It would be irrational to knowingly send another liar. Lies got hundreds of thousands needlessly killed in Iraq. It’s time for as much honesty as we can possibly get.
I'm not familiar with what Conway has been up to. If he isn’t honest he needs to go. Usually talkers like rush, beck, and hannity propagate the lies. I did find it troublesome that rand paul, a man with some good ideas, would lie about of have such poor judgment about palin. Palin would make a good President? That's as stupid or dishonest as someone having said, "W, your doing a fine job!"
Can't agree with you they Rand is ahead of all the Senators. I feel fortunate that here in Oregon we have Wyden and Merkley. I worked to get Merkley in and Gordon Smith (the conservative) out. Wyden has been great for many years and Merkley is living up to his good history in state politics.
But as I've said before, if either pull a stund like rand's or choose to ignore science in their decisions, I'll work to remove them.
@ronpaul2008rocks I like your numbers 1 and 2. #3 is not accurate; the money to the banks was not given to the banks-it was a loan that will be paid back. Loans that the gov't has made money thru interest paid by the banks.
This guy is no trouble to anyone but the Republicans. Someone who could be trouble to special interests is a libertarian who understands that a strict adherence to that ideology is not practical. Paul doesn't appreciate that aspect of libertariansim.
Rand Paul is certainly not Ron Paul....what happened? Right To Work... Rand is stepping off in the wrong direction.
rcoones102 7 months ago
Rand Paul would do nothing to eliminate The FED!
Tenets of "finance capitalism": Privatize the profits - socialize the losses. Use any and all means (propaganda, lies, murder) to keep the fact hidden that the money supply is in private hands, and that a banking cartel has engineered for themselves (over 200 + years of lies and murder) the ability to CREATE MONEY FROM NOTHING & CHARGE US FOR USING IT. The money con is crushing us & it can't be fixed in our favor! RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CHOICE!
ElixirPolyweb 1 year ago
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 1 year ago
Prov:22:7: The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
buddo1999 1 year ago
@buddo1999 what this tells me is dont live on credit
goldsmithstudent 1 year ago
the only politician with the balls to Israel to go "f$ck themselves"
flowerdrop1 1 year ago 2
Rand Paul you're the man!
zorlacbaby 1 year ago 2
Ron Paul in the House and Rand Paul in the Senate!
JFKEQUALS911 1 year ago
He has aged quite a bit in a year.
Edustin 1 year ago
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Where WERE all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
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Where we all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
Where we all you Republican, Tea party folks when George Bush was destroying our country. I respect your right to stand for what you believe in, but unfortunately your only 2 terms to late. Bush should've been replaced after his first term, but then again if he did then we wouldn't been able to get Obama in office.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
HOW SWEET VICTORY IS!!! Now that our idiot president is going to keep us in afghanist for another 10 years we need to impeach BARRY!!!
mizzoulibertarian 1 year ago
Does this man hate Jews?
parafleet 1 year ago
@parafleet No
Edustin 1 year ago
Don't care 4 Spitzer & his mishaps. Rand was asked to name 1 program he'd cut, & couldn't answer the question. I don't fall for the Dem-vs-Rep mind control bull. They're all full of it. This guy apparently doesn't truly have a plan to help America like he promised his supporters & the people, because if he really did, he would've simply answer the question. He based his whole campaign on cut government spending, and danced his way around the question. These tea bag people don't have a real plan.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
believability?
alessandrozerbone 1 year ago
@alessandrozerbone Cut Spitzers hooker fund? Is that the best you can think of to bring to this open forum about the man whom you seem to support? If you are even a hint of a representation of the people who support these Republican candidates, then I see why they did so well in this election.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 Now that have beaten the shit out Conway, we will going after the warmonger in chief barak obama
mizzoulibertarian 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 I think you replied to the wrong guy I didnt say anything about a hooker fund
alessandrozerbone 1 year ago
Wow, I was just flipping threw channels on my t.v., and I stopped on the Parker Spitzer show, and Rand Paul just got his back side handed to him by Spitzer.
Spitzer just exposed him on the issue of where he would do cuts to help shrink the deficit, which he adamantly ran his campaign on, and he couldn't name one cut. He kept running around the question and really exposed himself as a fraud.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 Cut Spitzers hooker fund?
tubaboy71 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 Actually Spitzer got destroyed by Paul. When Spitzer tried to get Paul to state his income, Paul shot back "you want to talk about your past? I dont think so"! BAHAHAHA Sptizer had a defeated look on his face, as a deafeated fool should look. Sptizer didnt want Rand to talk about Sptitzers hookers!
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 Thanks for your reply. You've confirmed my whole point with another person on this blog that Tee ballers repubs have plenty of empty rhetoric and no plan to bring to the table that helps all. Spitzer was pointing out that the man you support is talking about cuts everywhere except where it may effect himself and his friends, then he spun himself out of it by threatening to bring up Spitzer's personal life. He should've answered the question about the issues and his plan.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 Askign a docor what his personal income is, is not a personal attack? Of course doctors make a lot, so he wanted Paul to look bad by asking his income. Spitzer is a liberal hack who was trying a "gotcha", and he got his very ass handed to him.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 I DON'T CARE ABOUT SPITZER OR RAND. I'm not taking sides. I think Spitzer was trying to make a point within his question of Dr. Rand's personal finances because he makes money from healthcare. That's like a conflict of interest if you think about it. He more than likely won't make cuts in the healthcare bill cuts that may effect what Doctors will benefit from through the healthcare bill.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
@mizzphilly60 No, Spitzer is a well known liberal hack who was trying to make Rand look bad, and instead was made to look bad himself.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 Now we're just going back and forth, and our debate is getting boring now. Thumbs up on my comment if you agree.
mizzphilly60 1 year ago
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@mizzphilly60 Askign a doctor what his personal income is, is not a personal attack? Of course doctors make a lot, so he wanted Paul to look bad by asking his income. Spitzer is a liberal hack who was trying a "gotcha", and he got his very ass handed to him.
calimar28 1 year ago
SENATOR ELECT RAND PAUL!
soicuw 1 year ago
Rand Paul for President 2012! Lets get it going people, I hate to say it but Ron Paul is going to be too old to run this upcoming election.
billjim123 1 year ago
Does Rand Paul have down syndrome? Maybe a mild form?
ICantDecryptTheCode 1 year ago
@jaguarclaw - Look at democracynow . org November 3rd episode. The last 20 minutes the panel discusses the tea party money trail.
ajahni 1 year ago
RAND PAUL HAS RECEIVED OVER $180,000 OF CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM WALL STREET. DON'T THINK THAT HE IS NOT BROUGHT AND PAYED FOR!!!
ajahni 1 year ago
the tea party has different factions so its hard to associate with them
rast123456789 1 year ago
Rand Paul won!
mattngrate 1 year ago 14
love you rand!!! win win win
Bcasey11 1 year ago
DONATE YOUR PROFILE PIC TO THE GADSDEN FLAG TODAY AND TOMORROW!!!
DoNotTreadOnME2012 1 year ago
I'm dressing up as a Tea Partier, so I can scare all the Democrats. Balance the budget - oooooooo - scaaarrrry.
jeffmonc2 1 year ago
TEA PARTY 2012!
drluv10155 1 year ago
everyday, rand paul somehow convinces himself that he's not balding by wearing that silly toupee. how can we trust him to be honest with us when he can't even be honest with himself?
deliciousmorton 1 year ago
@deliciousmorton Rand Paul BITCH
RythmandStrings 1 year ago
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions... Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome's, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.' " - Marcus Tullius Cicero
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
after watching Rand Paul thugs beat down a woman in kentucky, I'm now convinced that the tea party people are another branch of the KKK... no room in American for people like that
dpfan74 1 year ago
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I suggest the real name of the other party:
The RepubliKLAN Party
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WWWoDMOCRATSoORG 1 year ago
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I suggest the real name of the other party:
The RepubliKLAN Party
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WWWoDMOCRATSoORG 1 year ago
Well ain't this Paul about a dumb motherfucker! Haha! We used to see motherfuckers like this with white sheets on their heads down around here. New mask for a OLD ass! HEEHAW, HEEHAW. You don't fool me, politician.
parafleet 1 year ago
@parafleet
You're what's wrong with America. You are what is destroying this country. He's a doctor, he saves lives. He is an ethical person with great understanding of economics. What do you do besides slander people on the internet. You're a spineless piece of trash.
nimportekoiTheory 1 year ago
@nimportekoiTheory Yah, I'm sure a few Nazi doctors saved a few lives too along the way. If I'm what's wrong with America, then you're what's wrong with Mexico, motherfucker! O-LAY!
parafleet 1 year ago
@parafleet
Why on earth are you talking about Nazi doctors and Mexico? Are you a schizophrenic? I'm sorry I didn't realize you suffered from mental illness..
Peace
nimportekoiTheory 1 year ago
@nimportekoiTheory Maybe you'd like to remove your foot from my neck, Mr. Paul. Your giddiness in being cruel has shown you to be right up Tea Party alley. I hope you aren't a lion or a Hitlerite, because you sure act like both. It's "law of the jungle" for you, sir. However, I look at actions over words. America is for freedom. I'm sure you can find some Neo-Nazi organization that would better suit your needs somewhere down there.. Try Cuddalore.
parafleet 1 year ago
@parafleet
Where is your evidence that Rand Paul is racist? He is nothing of the sort. Your slander is absolutely appalling. You're reading verbatim the talking points of Dick Cheney. You sir side with Dick Cheney, the war monger.
Rand Paul is on the side of freedom and liberty.
nimportekoiTheory 1 year ago
@nimportekoiTheory Rand Paul kicks ass and is an honorable man
4g63gen1 1 year ago
Rand Paul will win..........
Especially now when Conway's brother and soon to be him will be under investigation for drug trafficking...............google it.
CONWAY YOU GOT SOME SERIOUS FUCKEN EXPLAINING TO DO.
thedevos1981 1 year ago
The racist Tea Tards worship dumbass twerp politicians who rode on their Daddy's coattails their whole lives like PCP-smoking Rand Paul & cokehead drunk GWB! LOL!!!
Lettermaniacs 1 year ago
Paul wants to fix the debt by extending bush tax cuts which has screwed our economy. If you all could remeber , ten years ago we had surpluses under clinton who raised taxes on rich people, then bush fed it up by increaseing spending and lowering taxes, now these godam gop people are saying, put us back in, and we'll do the same thing, and the worst thing is, they're going to win! It's like they forgot how great things were in the late 90s early 00s compared to now.
wdhoctor 1 year ago
@wdhoctor It's not the tax cuts that screwed our economy, our economy got screwed despite the tax cuts. The root cause of the financial crisis was the government housing affordability act, which created a distortion of risk in the market, coupled with pervasively low interest rates from the Fed it created a market for irresponsible lending, by removing risk from the equation.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@wdhoctor The Clinton administration had only one year (when you include appropriations to medicare) which had a budget surplus, but that surplus was actually not really a surplus when you consider the fact that the boost in tax revenues of the year I am speaking of was created by an influx of capital gains tax revenue which was larger than normal due to the appreciation of stocks created by the dot com bubble.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
if people can get past their ZOMG LIBRUL MEDIA blinders for half a second, I would like to direct them to Matt Taibi's Rolling Stone piece recounting Rand Paul's fall from grace - from libertarian, anti-TARP agitator to water-carrying GOP house boy.
does this seriously not piss you guys off at least as much as the Democrats librul agenda?? i mean, at least they're honest about big govt. and if it doesn't, then you're basically a fake and a stooge. congratulations.
wvfii 1 year ago
Rand Paul is bat shit crazy.
If Rand Paul had his way the proprietor of the cafe my wife and I were eating in could walk up to the couple sitting near us and state that they do not serve black people.
This is the type of small government he wants, a government that would not protect people from greedy fat cats on Wall Street or large corporations shipping jobs out of the country.
No regulations for anything, just the golden rule, those with all the gold make all the rules.
Despicable
AntEyeTheist 1 year ago
@AntEyeTheist Who would eat a restaurant like that nowadays?
MrKnightskye 1 year ago
@MrKnightskye You'd be surprised.
Down south, no surprise at all.
Lots of retrolectuals out there who believe that those were the good old days.
Two things Teabaggers hate, being called a bigot and black people.
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AntEyeTheist 1 year ago
@AntEyeTheist Wow, you are a fucking idiot. Stop pulling the race card, you race baiting motherfucker, people can see right through it. Get teabagged, bitch.
itachi705 1 year ago
@itachi705
Well........Fuck you very much.
AntEyeTheist 1 year ago
@AntEyeTheist That is correct, constitutionally, a person has a right to their own private property including their own business, which implies they do have the right to segregate for whatever reason.
Laws ought to be indiscriminate, that is they should not be based on a persons skin color or personal beliefs however disagreeable - the right to personal property implies the right to segregate and to be racist.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@AntEyeTheist Every law the government passes it ultimately enforces by the end of a gun. It is not the role of government to impose it's own morality, morality is the domain of civil activists. The mode of change is not to impose desegregation by force, but to educate through civil discourse, including protesting or boycotting.
Private property ought to be seen as sacred, when this notion is abolished it invites the possibility that the same right can be infringed upon for less noble a cause.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
Government Agents Seize Oath Keepers Couple's Newborn From Hospital in New Hampshire
Wintertime7 1 year ago
That's a ridiculous conclusion. Just because he would vote to extend tax cuts doesn't mean he is voting to add to the deficit. I'm sure he wouldn't vote to increase spending on anything. If you vote to extend the tax cuts AND vote to keep spending, then sure, you are contributing to the deficit. You keep throwing this "4 trillion" out there. This only applies to congressman who would carry on spending. He has made it clear that he would not.
Gasolinealley00 1 year ago
@davidharris1981 That's the dumbest shit I have read today. Congratulations! because I've read a lot of stupid shit today. Be proud.
Gasolinealley00 1 year ago
Ran Paul has said that if he makes it to the senate he will veto any budget thats not balanced. He also has come out in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts which would add about 4 trillion dollars to the deficit. How do these two statements not conflict?
momentofsciencetx 1 year ago
@momentofsciencetx He can still vote against the budget and vote FOR the tax cuts, that doesn't come into conflict at all. He would never vote to increase spending, just like he would never vote to increase taxes.
Gasolinealley00 1 year ago
@Gasolinealley00 yes but the reasoning for voting against any budget thats not balanced is so that the national debt is not increased, to reduce and eventually eliminate the the national debt. If you vote to extend the Bush tax cuts you vote to add 4 trillion to the defecit. Also I would guess he would vote against any additional funding to the troops as well as these fundings are never balanced.
momentofsciencetx 1 year ago
@davidharris1981
Care to expand on that?
YesGrosvenor 1 year ago
Rand Paul 2010 which is NOW people! Im doing my part, same as we did for his "Taxpayers best friend" father. This time lets not let the controlled MSM get away with the lies they continually espouse. Lets get some real politicians in DC for a real CHANGE we can believe in!
thorntongifts 1 year ago 9
@thorntongifts LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The new class of Republican and tea party llawmakers who charged into office promising to shun the ways of Washington. But even as they publicly bash the capital's culture, many have quietly begun to embrace it. the new freshman of the congress all which are being paid by lobbyist hahahahha and that includes rand paul! hahahahhahahahhaha ohh yes lets take the country back to the lobbyist and special interests, what bunch of ignorant crackers
solimiansky 1 year ago
@solimiansky Ha ha, so despite the obvious flaws of those before us in Washington, your answer is to sit on your hands. Well, enjoy your apathy pal.
thorntongifts 1 year ago
how can we help Rand Poul?
Donattello1 1 year ago
no way.
ron paul overlaid with one of my favorite songs? on my favorite political talkshow? :O
Miabalzitch 1 year ago
Liberals love to avoid real philosophical debates about the role of government by labeling their political opponents "racists" or "homophobes" or "xenophobes" or "rednecks" or whatever other name they can come up with. Name-calling is what someone does when they don't have any truth to fall back on.
USAforever612 1 year ago
@USAforever612 You tell me what is the role of government...
What is wrong on the poor demanding more right and services from society?
What is wrong with gov enforcing law that protect minorities? you want it all for you, uh? what do you have that you are afraid the gov is going to take from you to give it to the poor?
platano1742 1 year ago
Paul just a racist
billybob101013 1 year ago
@billybob101013 Is that why he offered free-eye care to the less fortunate as an Optometrist? Some of the less fortunate ones he helped were that of color.
kuza01 1 year ago
@billybob101013 eat shit and die. You are just ignorant
rast123456789 1 year ago
@rast123456789 i want to come to your home an beat the shit out of you can you tell me where live? an you address please an send some gas money please?
billybob101013 1 year ago
@billybob101013 how violent of you i guess i shouldnt have said the die part it was a little uncalled for. But Paul is not Racist
rast123456789 1 year ago
@rast123456789 please sent gas money an your address so can drive to your home an beat the hell out of you sent to 3434 mockingbirdland 90561 CA
thank you very much
billybob101013 1 year ago
@billybob101013 are you threatening me??? If so I will have you reported buddy so watch it
rast123456789 1 year ago
@billybob101013 I agree
platano1742 1 year ago
Finally someone who makes since.
GATORSHARK25 1 year ago
Paul is a fool and his agenda ends up hurting the most vulnerable of the American people with his BS rhetoric. I don't like the Democrats either but this Paultard is one of the most hypocritical types at his future 174,000 a year job. But its Kentucky and they are that stupid.
chungkingchungking 1 year ago
I like some of Rand Pauls ideas about personal liberties but when he supports unchecked free markets with zero regulations and defends BP of all things and now he's saying that unemployed people should just go back to work. I guess he thinks jobs are just falling out of the sky or something. The man is just too idealogical to to be elected to any national office.
aptex 1 year ago
@aptex 1- He does NOT advocate zero regulation, just a regulatory system that evaluates overall risk, not hundreds of regulatory agencies managing bits of pieces of companies without knowing overall risk, or corruption/fraud.
2- He does NOT defend BP of all things, but I do agree with you he said some things about BP that I am totally against (like supporting them after they consistently lie). He would do away with the liability cap, and let them deal with the mess... but he's too nice to BP
baihbalm 1 year ago
@aptex Don't let that BS of "personal liberties" fool you. Who has more liberties the Rich or the Poor? What's wrong if a poor father demands more better schooling for his children? Does your family have the same liberties the family of Ron Paul has?
R Paul wants the poor to keep what they have which is nothing, and the Rich to keep what they have(the whole country) and the gov. don't give nothing to no one. I want gov provides BASIC services to every one.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Youre right thats why I cant get on board with Ron Paul and his son and any of those other corporate libertarians because they never want to address the huge income disparity thats prevalent in this country. Its mind boggling how they think its perfectly okay to just get rid of our few safety nets or what they call "entitlements" while still supporting the status quo that allowed 2% of the population to hoard 90% of the country's wealth.
aptex 1 year ago
@aptex Exactly
platano1742 1 year ago
@aptex Exactly
platano1742 1 year ago
@aptex He's against gov and corps in bed together which makes to big too fails. Why should I have to take care of other peoples problems? the disparety is true but what's the alternative. The Pauls want to end the income taxes that would help us all.
lushfauna 1 year ago
Fuck the GOP, Fuck the Tea Baggers!!!
dragracer659 1 year ago
Bush and Obama are one in the same. For that matter RON PAUL 2012!
pshizle 1 year ago 22
@pshizle Thumbs up! RP 2012!!!
tubecat72 1 year ago
@pshizle Paul & Paul 2012
Hamrickland 1 year ago
@Hamrickland
a senile old coot and a homo nut who worships aqua buddha - both need some love from bruno.
TheRedCapitalist 1 year ago
@pshizle Good for you! Rand is the same as JFK Please vote
4g63gen1 1 year ago
R.P another Repooblican demagogue
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 I guess your sense of the political spectrum is lacking subtlety. RP barely resembles any other Republican out there. It's like comparing Kucinich to Obama.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate What Republican want? Give all the power to the capitalist. What did Ronald Reagan want? give all the power to the capitalist . What does R.Paul want? give all the power to the capitalist. If he walks like a Republican, if he opposes Health care Reform like a Republican, then he is a Republican...and if he want to abolish Civil Right Act of 1960s then he is Racist Republican.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Republicans, the majority of them, are bad for capitalism and good for embedded bankers. The Democrats are the same. And by the way, RP is a way better capitalist than Reagan.
He doesn't want to abolish the Civil Rights Act, so I guess he's not a racist. His Democrat opposition lied about this, and he never said he wanted to repeal the Act. He had an issue with 1 of the 10 rules in the CRA. I guess that's a little too subtle for your taste.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate If you don't like the government enforcing a law that means you don't support that law. Do you have an issue with the gov enforcing sanitation law in a restaurant?
Both Pauls and R. Reagan want less gov regulation I want gov regulation. Do you?
The Pauls are two demagogues who dislike the poor demanding more rights, and more services from society.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Sanitation laws are the most melvolent, but I have a problem with thinking we would be unclean if it weren't for the gov't.
I dislike a lot of regulations.
I think the poor should have the same rights as everyone else. The problem is, that people who have access to gov't power have more rights than those who do not. If you limit gov't power, then it makes society more prosperous. Enriching gov't power makes the poor poorer, and only a few become rich.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate you are almost getting it....keep thinking, keep thinking...
The Rich have more access to every thing, not just the gov. They have more access to music, art, technologies, education, health, sport, etc. If we don't have the gov enforcing rules the rich are going to take the whole country at once and we, the poor will not have access to any thing. I am not asking for the gov to help the poor to become rich, I'm asking for BASIC services for all of us.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 I don't care how much access the rich have to music, art, education or whatever. Are we going to mandate some sort of cultural program for the poor? Ridiculous.
Here's a clue: The rich can't take over a country. To do that, you need an army and a police force. Now who has that? The rich are ruining this country, but only because they have access to huge amounts of power in the gov't. And people who want social programs like you, keep giving them more.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@platano1742 This debate would be a lot simpler if you just came out of the closet and admitted whatever brand of socialism or anarchism you support. You're obviously anti-capitalist, so that doesn't leave you a lot of options for what you're in favour of. Theocratism? Communism? Social Democrat perhaps? Just spit it out, so we both know where eachother stands.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@platano1742 Also, a demagogue is unelected. RP is elected, so that word doesn't fit. Limbaugh would be a demagogue.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate Demagogy or demagoguery (Ancient Greek: δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos "people" and ἄγειν agein "to lead") is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public—typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes. Wikipedia
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 "What qualifies as demagogy has been the subject of debate and ambiguity since Aristophanes first used the term, in reference to Cleon." -Wikipedia
We continue the debate. Yet, calling RP a demagogue doesn't really amount to much, considering how ambiguous the term is. I guess you'll have to resort to using reasoned arguments to counter RP's positions instead of simply calling him an ambiguous name.
reefpirate 1 year ago
reefpirate, I am calling the Pauls Demagogues because their strategy for gaining political power is by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public— via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist(wikipedia)
They r telling you they want individual freedom, but at the same time telling you if you demand rights, society has to take it from some one else to give it to you. He defends the rich against the poor.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 JS Mill differentiated between positive and negative rights. We're debating between the two. I think the only proper rights are negative rights, rights to be free from gov't. You are in favor of positive rights, rights 'to' some product or service... housing, food, healthcare, education, etc.
Be definition, if the poor demand rights to housing, food, anything of economic value, then it MUST be taken from somebody else. Gov't doesn't produce anything. This is unjust, I believe.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate just the BS R Paul says. Every thing is produced in society is a product of all of us. One simple nail is the product of the entire society. The wealth of a nation is produced by all of us. Our country produces good, distributes these goods among us, and we consume these goods. For all those process there have to be rule in place. The gov is a product of all of us. One of its function is to enforce rules, other wise we would kill each other
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Gov't has a role, you're right. It should be in enforcing property rights and individual rights of freedom. But the country does not own the wealth of the people. I don't produce any nails. I don't chop down any trees. I don't own any factories, I've never engineered anything in my life. So how is it that I can then claim ownership over someone else's property? I can't without injustice. The gov't does this all the time, with unjust laws.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate The gov does not own the wealth of the people. We own the govt. The government works for all of us(Rich and poor, black and white etc) And it enforces laws to help us to live in civilized manner. Other wise we would keel each other. The government also guarantee Basic services are available for all of us in case we need them. Ran Paul does not understand that. Those so called libertarian want to destroy the government so the Rich have absolute power over us.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Ok, good. I'm glad you realize they don't own our wealth, and nor should they. But do you also realize that to provide these 'Basic services', they have to consume some wealth in the country? Not only through taxation, but very often through inflation because they don't have the guts to tax the full cost of these programs. If they did tax us, our money would be worth more, but we would also all be broke. So either way, 'basic services' are too expensive.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@platano1742 Ie., if you believe so strongly that the poor should have these economic resources, you are free to spend your own wealth. Go ahead, and pitch in to buy food or shelter for the poor. Charity does not depend on the gov't. Enforced charity through wealth confiscation is basically theft.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate We all live in society to help each other. we don't live in caves any more. Society has to provide services to all of us. That's the purpose of living in society.
If we are living in a country where executives makes 140 million dollars bonus plus salaries and the vast majority make 40 k a year....that's too much of a difference. The poor will not be able to buy any thing and the country will fail.
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 I repeat: Spend your own money on charity, and quite demanding it be stolen from others. In a just society, workers and capitalists are rewarded for providing services to customers through contracts.
These bonuses you complain about? Could not exist without gov't support. These banks would have FAILED without your glorious gov't.
Our country will fail, but not for the reasons you state. Our money will be worthless if we keep printing it for stupid projects, like bank bailouts.
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate I am talking about BASIC services society has to provide for all of us. You might not need Well Fare now, but it's good to know the if you needed it one day, it's there for you. You prob have health insurance from your job, but if you lost your job. it's good to know that Society will not let you die.
About Bailouts, Imagine you riding your bicycle: if you stop pedaling the bicycle eventually stop. there is always room for improvement, but bailouts are tricks gov has to do sometimes
platano1742 1 year ago
@reefpirate Society should guarantee basic services for all of us in case we need them. It's called living in Civilize country. If you never need Well Fare, good for you, but there are some who need it. There are others who abuse the system, yes. Ron Paul thinks society providing BASIC SERVICES for all people is stealing from the Rich. He is wrong. To me, he only defending the rich
platano1742 1 year ago
@platano1742 Ok... so what politician doesn't appeal to people's fears, emotions, etc.? And besides, some fear is rational. Some emotions are rational. If Paul is a demagogue, then I guess Obama is a demagogue on steroids, because he won the election with a lot of emotion. Prejudice worked in his favour too.
And where does the money for welfare come from? Where is the money for healthcare going to come from, if not from members of society? Does it come from nothingness?
reefpirate 1 year ago
@reefpirate Money for Well fare come from all of us. I don't think Wellfare is bad idea. That money not only helps the poor, but it also help to revive local economies. Well Fare Checks are spent locally. Big Corporation gets sort of Well Fare too. They get Tax breaks. There are people who abuse of Well fare, and so there are Rich farmers who gets checks because they always tell the gov the had bad season; All they have to do is stop planting. Again, reefpirate, keep up the good thinking.
platano1742 1 year ago
downthedrain08 Thanks for the compliment telling me i am more effetive than David Duke. But i get it u don't give it as a compliment.
mr22jake22 1 year ago
How he stands on immigration i don't know. But what is happening now is a sad situation with the number of 3rd world people and muslims comming in the country. Loook at France now almost one fifth muslims.
mr22jake22 1 year ago
This guy has it figured out. Go Rand Paul.
mr22jake22 1 year ago
@mr22jake22 Go Rand Paul! You are MORE effective than David Duke ever was. Always show that Fiscal prudence side......never the other.....You'll be in!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
RON AND RAND PAUL FOR PREZ AND VP!FREEMASONS FOR PAUL!!!!! Ron's lovely wife is an eastern star member and they have been a great support for masonry to shine their light.One love,one god-fremasons will guide us!!!!!
ThePorntographer 1 year ago
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@ThePorntographer RON AND RAND PAUL FOR PREZ AND VP!
Healthy White Males got it made in the shade and Legalized Toks for everyone! Including your kid's school bus driver!
America will be GREAT AGAIN!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Conservatism is a fraud.
amazingyou1uber 1 year ago
@amazingyou1uber Your a fraud
calimar28 1 year ago
Rand Paul and Ron Paul are both racists. The fact Paul would even name his son "Rand" (as in Aryan Rand who said the slaughter of Native Americans was justified because they weren't capitalists) disgusts me! Ron Paul also published racist and homophobic newsletters from 1989 to 1994.
KKKonservativeBlog 1 year ago
@KKKonservativeBlog I wish they were racist...we need some racist running the nation for a change, so we can stop this pitiful 3rd world immigration that is overunning our nation and threatins' to turn the USA into a shithole. But unfortainatly, Rand and Ron Paul are not racist....sadly in my opinion.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 - Hey, at least you right-wingers are admitting you approve of racism/fascism. We don't even have to argue against you people anymore, you make yourselves look like crazies for us. Hitler/Mussolini agree with you on the immigration thing. Hope the Aryan thing works out for you... which it won't. This country is built of immigrants, idiot.
KKKonservativeBlog 1 year ago
@KKKonservativeBlog White immigrants. From 1911 to 1968 the law was 3 whites for every dark that immigrated here...which is why this country was so great. Ever since then, the 3rd world has poured in, and the nation has been in decline.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 I don't agree....It was the rise of the Appalachian Trailer Park which has spread all over America ;)
downthedrain08 1 year ago
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@calimar28 I don't agree...It was the rise of the Appalachian Trailer Park which has spread all over America ;)
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@KKKonservativeBlog Yeah, the browns coming in really did a lot to "build the nation" (rolling eyes).
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 Damn, if we only had another 4 years of Bush. I wonder if America could stand it
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain08 Bush was terrible. Probebly my least favorite president.
calimar28 1 year ago
@KKKonservativeBlog Interesting comments. can you give us more info on those newsletters ?
platano1742 1 year ago
The list matches the fascists and the Republicans to a tee. It does not resemble the Democrats.
plynth2 1 year ago
you all talk like bush did this and obama did that. THEY ARE JUST ACTORS IDIOTS! THE CFR THE BILDERBERGERS CONTROLS THESE PUPPETS WAKE UP AMERIKA AND STOP WATCHING DANCING WITH THE STARS.
4g63gen1 1 year ago
It is so funny that conservatives didn't make a peep when Bush ran up the debt so high after Clinton had lowered it.
Our economy is in crisis so of course we had to spend money to keep a Depression from happening. Once our economy starts moving, income will go up for families and the government.
sophiemarie49 1 year ago
@sophiemarie49 Unfortunately that's not the way it works. It has never worked that way. Also, conservatives did speak up when Bush ran up the deficit...many Republicans didn't...don't confuse the two.
Obama has taken under 2 years to raise our deficit by numbers that took Bush 8 years. Tax cuts work. Over spending doesn't. The spending that was done is merely a temporary fix...a band aid on a gun shot wound if you will. It may stop the bleeding temporarily but it won't heal the wound.
NDNPolice 1 year ago
It sounds all fine in dandy, but in reality this country has too many entitlements to pay for and too many pork barel projects to fund. The only way to get out of debt is to get rid of social security, medicaid, and defense spending.-OUCH!
CoolScoobydoo 1 year ago
Scary man! Not electable in any way
OrganNLou 1 year ago
@OrganNLou RAND PAUL A SCARY MAN? YOUR IQ MUST BE 105
4g63gen1 1 year ago
Neocon Israel-Slave AIPAC-Owned War-Loving-Puppet Zionist Crypto-Jew Rand Paul Is THE OPPOSITE of Ron Paul.
Zionist Neocon Rand Paul WAS CREATED by Israel..
judicial.coolpage. biz/ttran_paul.htm
spectator. org/blog/2010/04/22/rand-paul-and-israel
news.yahoo. com/s/csm/20100526/cm_csm/304023
Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul, Rand Paul IS Joe Lieberman, Look what Rand Paul has said and believes in
Neocon Pro-War Rand Paul the Establishment GOP
time. com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00.html
halcyon0830 1 year ago
error try again why cant i comment on the videos in want
anavarro09 1 year ago
PSASTEVEENS: WHEN DID YOU START YOUR JOB FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND WHY? DON'T YOU GET IT? ONCE THEY ARE THROUGH WITH US, YOU'RE NEXT. THEY ARE POISONING YOUR WATER AND AIR AND FOOD AS WELL AS OURS - SO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN THEIR HEARTS, BE ADVISED, THEY DO NOT HAVE HEARTS. THINK 911. AS STAGED AS A BROADWAY PLAY.
ronfosteronline 1 year ago
MEDIA! KEEP UP THE ATTACKS ON RAND PAUL. ONLY STRENGTHENS HIS ;POSITION. HOW MANY "TIME" MAGAZINES SOLD TODAY? ALMOST ZILCH? BECAUSE WE'RE WAKING UP. YOUR ATTACKS ON HIS VIEWS ON DISCRIMINATION ONLY PROVE THAT HE IS NOT DISCRIMINATORY. UNLESS YOU WANT GUYS WAITING TABLES AT HOOTERS.
ronfosteronline 1 year ago
It just surprises me that people aren't flocking to this guy from both parties. Haven't you all had enough of the same old corrupt politicians?
ClutchFan1971 1 year ago
rand paul's judgement is poor. We don't need any more foolish people in Washington. He thinks palin would make a good President! Watch, at 7 minutes into the vid he says it. We have enough fools in Washington lets not send another!
Google: Rand Paul: Sarah Palin would make a great president because "she is likable"
qsteveens 1 year ago
@qsteveens have fun with Obama and your lame socialist regime. Pay more taxes bum and stay poor all your lame life.
montebosss 1 year ago
@qsteveens This is the primary reason why people voted for Barack Obama, so in theory it isn't any more foolish than your crowd, although Rand's words here have less to do with Palin running and him paying back a favor for her support. I don't particularly care for Palin either, but in order to keepyour base on your side, you have to play politics. Everyone does it, get over yourself.
hellsunicorn 1 year ago
@hellsunicorn If rand actually felt that palin was qualified, his judgement is poor. If rand said she was qualified while knowing she isn't, he'a a liar.
I don't any other options. If it's "just playing politics", I don't want those kind of people representing me in Washington.
No, everyone doesn't do it. Sad you think they do.
psteveens 1 year ago
@psteveens Name ONE politician who hasn't flip-flopped in order to advance a political cause or his own career. Ralph Nader is a union buster (not that I see that as a bad thing, but I'm certain you probably would), Dennis Kucinich thinks that abortion is now okay because his hot Aussie wife is leading him around by his genitals. And leave us not forget ole' Barry Soetoro, who now thinks war and predator drones can be fun. Get over yourself.
hellsunicorn 1 year ago
@hellsunicorn I fully expect and want politicians to (flip-flop) on issues; time, circumstance, events, experience, move us in different directions.
Ralph and Dennis are other stories.
What is at hand here is rand paul. Fact is he lied or has poor judgment; can't get around that.
Here in Oregon I have two wonderful Senators. If I know either to lie or have poor judgment I would work to remove them.
Do you deserve less?
psteveens 1 year ago
@psteveens Furthermore, every person is a liar on some level, I have proof both from personal experience and testimony from scripture on that, so this demand of total honesty is pretty hypocritical and comical, because you as a human being can not practice it as consistently as you demand of others. Furthermore, take a look at this ( watch?v=p3M1DdEsIl8 ) and get over yourself.
hellsunicorn 1 year ago
@hellsunicorn Sorry you have nothing but liars around you. I have some around me too but I insist on better from my representatives.
It sounds like you are trying hard to find excuses for rand. I advise against it. There have been far too many lies in Washington. It would be irrational to knowingly send another liar. Lies got hundreds of thousands needlessly killed in Iraq. It’s time for as much honesty as we can possibly get.
psteveens 1 year ago
@psteveens
You should hear some of the lies Jack Conway spouts.
Freethought42 1 year ago
@Freethought42
I'm not familiar with what Conway has been up to. If he isn’t honest he needs to go. Usually talkers like rush, beck, and hannity propagate the lies. I did find it troublesome that rand paul, a man with some good ideas, would lie about of have such poor judgment about palin. Palin would make a good President? That's as stupid or dishonest as someone having said, "W, your doing a fine job!"
psteveens 1 year ago
@psteveens
I'll agree with you there.
It's been obvious to me for some time now that Rand plays politics where his father doesn't.
Still, I believe he's miles ahead of the other 99 possible senators.
Freethought42 1 year ago
@Freethought42
In some policies I like both him and his dad.
Can't agree with you they Rand is ahead of all the Senators. I feel fortunate that here in Oregon we have Wyden and Merkley. I worked to get Merkley in and Gordon Smith (the conservative) out. Wyden has been great for many years and Merkley is living up to his good history in state politics.
But as I've said before, if either pull a stund like rand's or choose to ignore science in their decisions, I'll work to remove them.
psteveens 1 year ago
Wow! A politician who will fight:
1) US War
2) Rendition (kidnapping and torture).
3) Printing trillions and giving it to the super rich (banks).
This will be an interesting fight. This guy is big trouble for special interests.
ronpaul2008rocks 1 year ago 2
@ronpaul2008rocks I like your numbers 1 and 2. #3 is not accurate; the money to the banks was not given to the banks-it was a loan that will be paid back. Loans that the gov't has made money thru interest paid by the banks.
This guy is no trouble to anyone but the Republicans. Someone who could be trouble to special interests is a libertarian who understands that a strict adherence to that ideology is not practical. Paul doesn't appreciate that aspect of libertariansim.