Eve of Destruction by P.F. Sloan

[jbss7382]

I never realised Sloan wrote this; still even more relevant today than ever before.

[rktbusinc]

I dont know how anyone can knock this guy's writing ability:

Eve Of Destruction

Secret Agent Man

You Baby

Let Me Be

A Must To Avoid

Take Me For What I'm Worth

I Found A Girl

and at least 10 other popular 60s songs I can think of

And even though Barry MacGuire sang it, Phil got all the backlash for writing it. It is still a great song and the lyrics still hold up today.

[ggreenwood4]

Even the Name "The Grass Roots" was stolen from another band..That band later took on the name "The Fraternity Of Man" and released the song "Don't Bogart Me" used in the movie "Easy Rider"! I was one of Vito Paulakas freak dance troope!

[dymo60]

OK, my math skills suck. How much did you or anyone know about the political actions of our country from age 1 thru 6. Duh, nothing. 6 thur 12. Duh, nothing. 12 thur 18. Very little. Why do you think they had a draft. 18 year olds are too dum to tell the government where to stuff there wars. Go back and read the history of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. It's not an easy subject for any lay person to understand. The US/French didn't really understand what they were getting into let alone a 6yr old.

[Brunogirlfriend]

Thank god we have all these stoned guitar players to give us lectures on foreign affairs, since obviously they are experts. Just another example of the drugged-out, head in the sand mentality.

[TheWERNERbeinhart]

Your other edition was better. But it's live !

You sound sometimes like Bob Dylan ! It's not bad, but Berry was more soulful !

[spookylorre]

Nice to see him. Jimmy Webb wrote a song about him being "summer burned and winter blown." Looks OK here! Check Sloan-Barri as a song credit. They wrote "Secret Agent Man" and many great hits including "Eve..."

[imthefrogman]

2012 coming soon to a neighbor hood near you!

[JFDAYVSP]

I give This guy credit for wrighting the song,but Barry made it his with his voice and talent.

[biggestyin]

Barry wrote it, not this guy.

[JFDAYVSP]

you are right don't what I was thinking.

[keaton1895]

You are wrong he wrote this song. All you needed to do was to google the song and you would find out.

[biggestyin]

You are correct. I never knew that. Interesting.

[Mozzer232]

Do some research. P.F. Sloan wrote it...

[Tigermoon1950]

Slone had the words, but Barry McGuire had the soul, passion, and voice to make it powerful and memorable.

[lyerlyman]

Who is that girl playing drums?

[Tipz4Lyfe]

Ok guys, i have a history projesct to do on Protest music. I just want to know some answers. I really need help. and if you can, thanks Is this a protest song? If so, what is he trying to say, and what is the meaning?

[Tigermoon1950]

You gotta be kidding. The is the quintessential protest song. What he's trying to say is "look around. we're messing up everywhere. if we don't change our ways, say goodbye to the world we know."

[BrokenneckYgor]

pf sloan is a loser

[chaamjamal]

wonderful. enjoyed it. muchas gracias mi amigo.

[Knugabug]

Eve of Lou Adler.

[TrcDK]

Does anyone know why THAT eve of destrucion wich is in battlefield arsenal isn't on the internet?

[GirlGeorgeTVshow]

GREAT SONG

[artbycheri]

hey it WAS an era wether we liked the way we lived it, or who we were in it, or what happened to us in it, it must be something to be remembered because alot of civil liberties did come about because of all those people who did wine moan groan complain protest OPENED THEIR MOUTHES AND DID A F****** THING ABOOUT IT. I'm sorry but people are like cattle and will be led off to slaughter if not taught to think different or openly opinionate. My utmost respect to your husband my family has vets too

[mileshye]

What's up with the FISA vote? Why do Dems keep covering crimes of the Republicans? We need another 60s style awakening!

[mdf072]

Funny? when you listen to the words of this song then read the angry hateful posts...

Think about that...

[mellis10]

are you kidding sour grapes hey child this song concerns more than you can understand live a more years and strife as we have and then gripe

[kevininidaho]

Prophetic song.

I'll bet he wishes he hadn't had to have written the lyrics.

[javernot]

I also love Sloan's "A Must to Avoid."  It's my favorite Herman's Hermits song. Sloan was well tuned into the pop sounds of the mid-60's. I wish he had written more hits.

[minnesotaviking22302]

To all Muslims. The Islamic world it is exploding. Mullah's issuing fatwas bodies floating. You don't believe in war so what's that Quran your toting....Don't you understand, if Iran gets the bomb there's no running away.. Hate your non-Muslim neighbors but don't forget to pray five times a day. Tell me over and over and over again my friend Islam is bringing the world to destruction...

[thewalkingman]

you're a fucking moron.

[jesperlp]

I believe you are generalizing a bit. Oh and ruining the song's lyrics by turning it into something it's not. :)

[jesperlp]

This was supposed to have been a reply to minnesotaviking22302's comment. :P

[ConstitutionSupportr]

When we outed a popular government in Iran and then installed the Shah, there was anger, there was retaliation.

When we built a military base on Muslim holy ground in Saudi Arabia, there was anger, there was retaliation.

When we give billions of dollars to the Israeli government's military which is used largely to kill Muslims, there is anger, there is retaliation.

Blowback.

If you disagree with me then invite China to build a base in D.C.

Common Sense.

Do unto others.....

[teldered]

Amazing to see the comment of Dave Stensen , if he really is The Man.Anyway P.F. have made some nice compo's , but his voice is not to great .

[dymo60]

Saw PF on his recent trip to Portland. He's just as full of s--t as he always was. He wrote some good tunes, was a flop as a performer, his recordings bombed, and he almost killed the Grass Roots after Willy, Denny and I left by putting out two horrable singles after we put out Where We're You When I Needed You. (He later errased Willies vocal and replaced with his own as if he had released it) Thanks to Rob Grill the Roots were saved. This video shows his perfectly. An over inflated goof.

[willyscj]

you david s.? if so you rock!

[dymo60]

Me david. And You?

[infostream]

wow such sour grapes from a "mellow" guy no one would ever have heard of without that song "you put out" that was written by Sloan. Funny the Grass Roots in their heyday continued to record good Sloan songs after you were gone, why weren't they begging you to come back? Sloan is a non-commercial nutty goof, which makes him all the more lovable for his great contributions to popular music.

[dymo60]

Mellow guy? Not Me. Still don't think anyone has heard of me and don't care. Sour grapes. Non here. Just have an opinion. Like I don't think the constitution was changed because Phil wrote 'Eve'. I'm I not entilted to an opinion on this forum? I was happy to leave the "Toots" Never wanted back. Phil wrote some good tunes. Which proves you can be a goof and write good tunes.

[infostream]

you're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't seem like you read your own post - you falsely claimed Sloan killed "your" Grass Roots. I'm entitled to respond to your opinion with facts, free country. re: his claim that he helped change the constitution, you have to argue with NPR:

The anti-war anthem was one of the first protest songs to make the pop charts. It became the rallying cry for supporters of the 26th Amendment to the Constitution, which changed the voting age from 21 to 18.

[dymo60]

On your bio it gives your age as 39. The Vietnam war ended before you were born. PF was a distant memory in 1977/78 and your giving me a history lesson? I lived that era attended anti war rallies and marched to help change the voting age. I worked with Phil, Lou, Steve, Bones, and Jay. I doubt you have even met any of them. I respect your opinion as a fan and an expert in US history. But ........ I was there, for the war, the 26th Amendment and the music. Sorry & Good Bye.

[infostream]

you were there and so were many others, i just wanted to let people reading the thread that your memories may differ from the historical record. it's just kind of a bummer for me that you were "there" in that great era of peace and love with the guy that wrote "your" song, and came here with nothing but negative things to say.

[skilski2003]

Well, good for you. Did you go to Vietnam? I doubt you have memories of that "war". My husband does and he doesn't like them...but he dealt with them gracefully w/ 3 Purple Hearts. You were there for "the war"? Pleaseeeeeeeee. If you weren't in Nam, dude you weren't there. By the way, hubby hates war and hates his memories...but he was drafted. Where did you go?

[skilski2003]

This is for DYMO...

[stuetrory]

@dymo60 how do you figure that Vietnam was over in 1969?

i do not respect your horrid math

[dymo60]

@stuetrory where does any one mention 1969?

[stuetrory]

@dymo60 you reference 1969:

"On your bio it gives your age as 39. The Vietnam war ended before you were born. PF was a distant memory in 1977/78 and your giving me a history lesson?I lived that era attended antiwar..."dymo60 2 years ago

SO, 2 years ago, a 39 year old person would have been born in what....1969? NOT 1977/78.

Vietnam wasn't over until 1975, therefore YOU are an asshat w/pisspoor math skills as well as a bitter twat w/ all KINDS of issues with PF Sloan & anyone else that like him

[WpnsMech]

@stuetrory The US was out of Viet Nam in 1973. The NVA, backed by Russian and Red Chinese weapons and support, invaded South Viet Nam in 1975. Congress refused any aid of any kind to the RVN. And things really went to hell.

[yoh1954]

@infostream Just saw the video, gotta say the song did not get the 26th amendment passed, but you are correct it was a rallying cry for those of us that wanted change, were tired of the power of the industro-military complex. I would say that the reason why Sloan didn't shoot up into the stratosphere, was because of the other guy writing protest songs!! Bob Dylan

[ARP7777777]

@dymo60 Go Howl!

[RYRocker]

@dymo60 So in otherwords you were part of ther "original" Grass Roots" on the "Where Where You When I Needed You" Album?...I have that album! Good album...I hate to tell you this but nobody in the 60's doing folk rock will ever be as good as the Byrds! They could play anything! Look how influential they were! Nothing against the Grass Roots but The Byrds will always be my favorite and thsi is form a 35 year old who listens to 60's music!

[spacepatrolman]

@RYRocker Your right that album is an interesting imitation of the byrds[ listen to the west coast pop art experimentasl band do heres were you belong a pf sloan song it sounds like the byrds] pf sloan actually did rock before he did folk then he went to folk rock because dylan and the byrds did

[blueinfinite]

@dymo60 were you a member of the Grass Roots by any chance? from this thread it seems you were - if so, I saw you guys years and years ago in Daytona Beach at the Band Shell - the Vanilla Fudge opened for you. Memories!! Thanks...

[spacepatrolman]

@dymo60 The grassroots stole the name from arthur lee who said he could have taken legal action but he liked the name love better singers who dont write songs are nothing in the age of bob dylan phil ochs and pf sloan .

[popegeorgeringo]

@dymo60  Saying Phillip wrote "good songs" is a gross understatement. Yes he can be an ass at times but then so could John Lennon, Tom Petty and many others in the world of entertainers. But I just love the music they wrote . Beethoven was a complete dick to everyone around him... He is still wonderful to listen to... so is p.f.sloan. You mention yor disdaain for Phillip... then WHY did you go see him?

[rrivets]

Phil is the genius who wrote the song but who knows where it would have gone had Barry not recorded it in his style as the two voices and phrasing are completely different and this is a classic case of two artists combining to create a masterpiece. I'm so glad Phil is playing again as he is a must along with McCartney and Paul Simon of writers who have influenced me that I have to see live. Cheers

[TJ68LA]

i wasn't trying to insult McGuire, just trying to point out there's a difference in the kind of creativity between doing a good cover, and WRITING a great song. btw does it occur to you that by you saying that a comparison to the singers on American Idol is an insult, that you are insulting all those singers and their fans?

[furayfaithful]

Hi there......I guess what I was trying to say in my earlier post is that it's possible to speak highly of PF Sloane without it being at Barry's expense. But, of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

[furayfaithful]

then, of course, Barry fits into that catagory. He is a truly creative, non-conformist original. It seems like you're not really getting the getting the how a comparison to American Idol co ver is quite an insult to someone like Barry. Also, there's a difference between a 'cover' and an interpretation of a song.

[rwells47]

PF Sloan has made many contributions to the music I like. His work with the Grassroots was most of their best work. He wrote for others also. It's great to see him back again.

[olagran]

...I have to agree about McQuire. It's HIS song and does in great.  Atleast young folks are still hearing the words, much needed!!!!

[mileshye007]

now more than ever.....

[TuneInTurnOnDropOut]

FYI -The name is Sloan, not Sloane.

[themusicman3232]

I love this song

[olskepp]

PF Sloan is the King.

[TJ68LA]

basically if you like american idol, then the barry mcguire version is for you. if you like bob dylan, leonard cohen, tom waits, then PF Sloan is the man.

[SWEEDE76]

Damn right man! American Idol is for people who's never had an original thought or idea in their lives, the wall paper crowd.

Saw PF in Atlanta a while go in Atlanta and he was amazing!

[furayfaithful]

Ya know, this of course, is not true. Barry's a friend of mine. He's a down to earth guy who can interpret the hell out of song. The insulting comparison just rings false because Barry's version is more closely compared to

his contemporaries and friends, The Byrds doing Mr.Tamborine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn.

When you've had a nearly 50 year career in music maybe I can make false comparisons about you.

[TJ68LA]

doesn't seem like you understand the point furay - you say Barry can interpret the hell out of a song - we agree, and that is exactly what the American Idol cover-singer contest is about. no one is saying McGuire is a bad guy or a bad singer. but some of us prefer the quirky rough edges of truly creative non-conformist originals.

[bek12]

Wow, I'm glad we have such a genius like you to tell us who we should like. Only problem is that I like Mcquire's version best, but I also like Dylan and Cohen, and I can't stand American Idol. I bet that really confuses you... you idiot.

[avedoncarol]

Contra1971, you might want to buy the album this originally appeared on to see how Sloan sang it then, when his style was smoother. It's a different take from McGuire's, but in some ways it feels even more passionate.

[permaspin]

very good writer, but he is brutal at singing..

barry mcguire makes you FEEL this song

this guy is just mediocre at singing.

[Contra1971]

i will buy a cd just to see what everyone is talking about but i must say i like Barry McGuire's version (although P.F. wrote it) much better

[toddjne]

P.F. Sloan is one of the greatest songwriters/singers of all time! Please post more

songs!

[piessky]

Phil P.F. Sloane is one of the true unsung Giants in the History of Rock Music. Buy his CDs you will see for yourself.