@ActionEHamshraershV Not exactly correct. If F1 implements the 4 cylinders, the ccs will still be higher than those from the video´s era. They had 1500ccs turbos back then against what I believe will be 1.600 ccs turbos on todays F1s. The Brabham BMW engine from Piquets era was a 4 cylinders straight. And it had way above 700HPs back then (82/83) Off course the electronics are diferent, difs are diferent,etc. Diferent machines :)
@ActionEHamshraershV And I still believe they are planing on mounting V6s turbos, 1.6. So, actually if this figures apear on todays cars, tey will be higher than the numbers the cars from this video had back then :).
@ActionEHamshraershV Oh, I just notice, you were refering the new engines would have still more half the cylinders than the one´s i was talking about. My bad :). Still did not understand if you wanted more cylinders or less on the new turbo engines... Anyway. My bad on the previous coments if your coments intention was as i realised right now.
great footage! but the title part "feel the torque" i dont get!? formula 1 cars are known for their high HP at high rpm's but relatively LOW torque, even the classic supercharged and turbo'd ones. these cars won't come off the grid at lets say 1000rpm, due to the low torque.
F1 should go back to its roots , where it was car and driver not car computer gps and driver. I feel F1 has become pussyfied ........ get rid of the control tyre , bring back loud v12s with huge turbos and whiteknuckle driving
@skitzvitz I don't see your point. Today's cars are faster than any other period in F1 except 2004. We have moved on (somewhat by necessity) from the days on V12s, tyre wars and dangerous circuits. Give some credit to the engineers and technicians for the advances they have made rather than looking back with rose tinted glasses on the "glory days" of years past.
That's not to say I think FOM are doing a perfect job, but it's time people moved on.
Would be interesting to compare this footage and, for example, Senna driving. I wonder if you'd sense a difference?
I remember Silverstone, mid 1990's, Schumacher was visibly and audibly quicker than anyone else. Coulthard, for example, looked and sounded like he was on a slowing down lap in comparison, even though he was at his version of race speed.
People need to remember the qualifying bhp figures were not equal to what was used in races races. For example: certain website has information about the BMW M12/13 engine: in 1985-1986, 1200-1300 for qualification, 850 bhp in race trim.
Hello, I remaster videos like this one and would like to know if it is your video? And if so, would you allow me to remaster the video and sound then post it on my channel?
If you don't think F1 drivers today have big balls I recommend looking at Massa and Kubica on the last lap in Japan in the rain. Can't remember what year but when you see it you'll know.
@iTriGGletyi You say that but a driver has never had to do so much with the wheel while driving before :S Its crazy! :L Half the drivers are changing brake balance etc half way through high speed corners :/ To be honest I wouldn't say current drivers are not skilled they have more to do just less power to control.
Torgue is not important for car aceleration.Power = torgue / rpm.Engines with small rpm like turbos have big max torgue on small rpm but they must have longer gearbox and the torgue on the wheels is the same.Engines with big power and big rpm are better for races no matter because they not have big maximum torgue.Engines with big power but small rpm and because of that big max torgue are better for the city cars.
@McFly2015AD This one´s on this video is not sequencial, it is a H patern manual gear boxe. Senna never drove sequencials. Only H patern manual gear boxes and then, from 92 onwards, semi auto gear boxes. Just an info on that.
I push my car like this once in a while.. for a few seconds at a time. Just think of the focus and energy it would take to fight your nerves living on the edge almost going too fast for the road.. for an hour + straight geez!
@formula1nh These turbo engines were V6's and they gotta have been more horrific to drive due to the immense turbo lag :) the era of V10 engines was way later, in the 1990s-2000s. Turbocharging was banned after 1988 and will be re-introduced in 2013.
i dare any one of you complaining about how bad the sport is today to get in a current car and turn in a quick lap time. i dare you to even get it into first gear. the reason it's mostly car today is because drivers were DYING left and right. it's safety regulations that made it this way. but if you want dead drivers, just for your amusement, you have serious mental problems. i'm not debating which era had more real talent.
@M4ExKalashnikov F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of current technology, which isn't manual gearboxes. trubos are coming back i think in the 2014 season or sometime so.
i love manual cars and desperately wished i owned one but that's not what f1 is about.
@dethmetalderique I own a 2009 Kia Rio...but because its a manual with no power steering it makes in 100 times better. Can't wait until I can upgrade to a manual with more power! I'm never going back to auto!
@dukane i've been in the market for an early 90s miata for a while, just need to get my funds up first. i plan to cage it, turbo it, strip the interior, race seats and harnesses, basically turn it into and autocross monster.
Great video, wow those cars must have been a handfull, great Adelaide track too, if i remember rightly Senna's had his last victory there at the end of the 93 season
@1679peter And you remember correctly :). Senna´s last victory was indeed Adelaide 93. Awesome track, awesome driver. Also Prost´s last race was at that same track, that same year, that same day. The end of an era...
@iTriGGletyi In the 80's or 90's, there were few top drivers and shitty drivers... today, it is different. I think you are right but it is not 90% human and 10%car in the back. We can just say that today, most of the races are boring because the pilots are very good drivers for most of them. Maybe 3 of them are top drivers and 3 of them are shitty drivers. It is not just about the car. We can just see that we have more better drivers today than before ;)
@jeanclaude780 "We can just see that we have better drivers today than before". That's ridiculous. Back then a driver had to be REALLY good to join F1. Today, if you just know how to park you car into your garage and have loads of money, you can do it.
Drivers from nowadays would piss in their pants if they had to drive against these old buddies in those 1200bhp turbo charged monsters.
@LouieGee How can you know that ? who knows ? if you put Vettel in the Senna's car, maybe he could beat his times lap ^^ but of course you ill think the contrary because Senna died so he is a god... Senna was a great driver like a lot of drivers before. But the pilots todays are very good too.
@jeanclaude780 Look buddy, I know. I know because I am an F1 enthusiast, analyzer, researcher and have studied this sport for years. You are clueless saying that we gave "more better drivers today" when most of them are PAYING to get a seat in F1. Back then you had to have TALENT (in exception for Nakajima) to get a seat.
Vettel? They've already put Hamilton in Senna's car and Hamilton himself said that he could never drive it to the limit like Senna did: /watch?v=Iooo40nX2aU
Is it a sequential gearbox? Surely it can't be the like normal cars with the different gear positions; that would be insanely hard. If it is a DSG, then why is he pulling it and pushing it away to change gear? Weird. (And also, if you see other videos of 80s-90s F1, the driver doesn't touch the gear stick to shift down, what's that about?)
@TheEljay back then it was a "normal" H-pattern gearbox. Yep insanely hard heh, part of the reason why I can't take the likes of Alonso and co. too seriously these days. Sequential and DSG are not the same thing BTW (though the DSG is sequential).
@kosmo177 Ah sorry, didn't mean DSG. Paddles don't take nearly as much effort, but I tell you I'd rather have them than a stick shift gearbox if I was racing in Formula 1.
@TheEljay for sure semi-auto is most effective, everyone would prefer paddles when racing, even these guys. When they asked F1 and WRC drivers a few years back what is the most important technological advancement in motorsports, more than 90% of them said "changing gears with both hands on the wheel". But there is an undeniable sense of nostalgia and admiration for those golden years of motorsports, where rules and even safety came second to seeing just how far they could go.
@kosmo177 Couldn't have worded it better myself. I'm glad motorsports have such a high focus on safety nowadays, though watching cars from back then drive on the line between life and death (quite literally) is awe-inspiring and brilliant.
@iTriGGletyi Nah I reckon it was more 60-40. The car is very important; there have always been competitive teams and not so competitive teams, regardless of drivers. Todays cars are certainly easier to drive fast, but I don't think they are physically easier to drive for long distances because of the higher G-forces created by the huge amounts of downforce todays cars have. But I guess it balances out because nowadays the chance of death or serious injury is minimal.
@iTriGGletyi it was nuts, drivers were dying at ridiculous rates and your survival odds were barely evens if you drove an f1 car in that period. I hate how cars are the dominant factor as much as the next guy but we havnt had a death in f1 since 1994 (touchwood)
@reobarrt I disagree with you. Today's drivers are not girls. It's not their fault that the technology nowadays plays biggest part of this sport. They drive on what the sport offers them but they are not girls. We still have plenty of great talents like Kubica for example. On the other hand I agree that this sport is not the same anymore, I miss the old days I am watching F1 since ealry 1990 and I remember what it was to watch F1 with friends. It's boring now.... :)
It's amazing to see Dumfries downshifting. I read an interview in a magazine in which he said he had an unique style to downshift which really punished the gearbox. You can see it clearly at the tight hairpin, how he shifts quickly through all gears. It's stunning.
Incredible driving, this gives you an idea of the effort an F1 driver endures during a race, or atleast back then. I guess one thing you can mention about todays F1 drivers is the need to withstand larger G-forces than previous generations.
They must have had wrists and shoulders like nobody's business! That's without the energy of the bumpiness and the BHP...
modern onboard cameras are wonderful, but even more than here they do not give a true reflection of the suspension/ride...when you play the video games that cannot be stimulated...(or the G forces, of course)
@elr456 Turbo engines ! Turbo tecn.is nearly 60 years old,and allows terrific power from
little engines,with monster torque values as well. These engines ruled in F1 from 1984 until 1988 if memory serves.Very difficult driving because power was not progressively released:it came alltogether a split second after you floored the pedal (turbolag).
@elr456 Turbo engines,since 60 years approx.,provide high power with little displacement.
These F1cars were difficult to be mastered (exp.on wet surface) because of power and moreover because of the way this power was released.It came alltogether a splitsecond after you floored the pedal (turbolag):aspirated engines do release power much more progressively when you accelerate.
@indigoblue555 And did these cars have any aids like traction control? Driving in a super lightweight vehicle like this with more than 1300BHP seems so easy for these guys...
The steering wheel in the 98T was bolted on and not a quick release one! This is when the drivers had to drive the car rather than just point it in the right direction and hit the loud pedal!
Truth be told - this is the lap that changed my life forever - the first on-board video i ever saw - and i was instantly addicted to the audio-visual-tactile experience of circuit racing. That moment when . If you're lucky, you know what you want to do with your life.
I met Johnny Dumfries at Brands Hatch at a sports car race.. He's a nice guy, he told me that he never minded being no2 driver to Senna at Lotus because he got the chance to be an F1 driver..
Not scary - just awesome. Crazy when comparing today's F1 cars with electronic shift buttons on the steering wheel.. Yes, it's faster shifting and it's technically safer, but a huge technical part of racing the car is taken away. You actually drive cars with manual transmissions. Automatics and semi-automatics with manual electronic shifting just isn't the same and manual shifting requires a whole other set a skills.
This video doesn't do justice on how F1 turbo were, find some Senna and Villeneuve videos and you'll see how fast they really were, some set the engine to 1400 hp during qualifying. Yes the 1960's cars were just a little pipe with an engine and 4 wheels attached to it, those were very scary (and sexy looking) cars, but even the best F1 drivers admitted turbo cars were absolutely scary because of the missile like accelerating power.
Can I just say, as a 17 year-old who only started watching F1 in '09, that after watching quite a few classic clips and the film 'Senna', I've come to notice how these guys were nuts, and have to be the most talented sportsmen on the planet. Infinite respect for them.
@kallo182 Perhaps you are the one who has never seen a race car in your entire life. How are you going to say that today's cars are 20 seconds quicker than these cars? Are you on crack/cocaine? KERS? DRS? Give it up, today's F1 is a joke compared to this.
@xxJSGC123xx Well said.... Im sure you can imagine how we "older" ppl all felt after watching these GP's live, when the news came on and headline was "Ayrton Senna was pronounced dead...". One of those like-it-was-last-night moments... todays F1 is a sad joke compared to how the sport was.
The 1985 to 1993 years were F1's GOLDEN ERA - 1000% better than modern F1 - in fact i watch more archive footage of those days than I do current F1 - and i watch progressively less and less current F1 as it deteriorates further and further - in fact its now about at the point I will watch only historic archives and quit watching current F1 altogether - its over - bears almost no resemblance to the mighty sport it was in 1985 - 1993 - F1, the sport I once loved so much, has been killed!
Check out TT Closer to the Edge. Isle of Mann racers have more balls than these guys. Not downplaying F1, I love it too, but F1 is the gateway drug to MotoGP
Just put a real engine in like a keith black hemi. And maybe americans will care. Or make demo derby.lol who cares!!¡!!
ddoubled81291 1 day ago
monster=
1.5 Liter
4 Cylinders
+ 5 BAR
I can't even begin to calculate that into psi or I'll get sick
myasshurtsrealbad 3 days ago
@myasshurtsrealbad around 70 PSI same ammount as 2 normal car tyres
keza4win7 19 hours ago in playlist F1 epicness
wow your right hand was technically always on the gear lever.
XfsxnfsX 1 week ago
Group B was wayyy more scary!
REASAND5 1 week ago
@REASAND5 I'm a big F1 fan but I have to agree, Group B Rally was on the brink of insane, hence why people died and the FIA stopped it.
littlesatsuma 6 days ago
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@Tuscopa I wake up to 3 different walls of text over one sentence I wrote. I hope the rest of my day doesn't go this way.
ActionEHamshraershV 1 week ago
You had to be a man to drive those cars; H-Paterns and 1000 horsepower!
vir123456 2 weeks ago
The 1000 bhp days:)
tambunansumlang 2 weeks ago
they need to bring turbo and m gears back
20Mar1boro 2 weeks ago
Wonderful
sas147741 2 weeks ago
@DLarson1083 Back with just over half the cylinders. :/
ActionEHamshraershV 2 weeks ago
@ActionEHamshraershV Not exactly correct. If F1 implements the 4 cylinders, the ccs will still be higher than those from the video´s era. They had 1500ccs turbos back then against what I believe will be 1.600 ccs turbos on todays F1s. The Brabham BMW engine from Piquets era was a 4 cylinders straight. And it had way above 700HPs back then (82/83) Off course the electronics are diferent, difs are diferent,etc. Diferent machines :)
Tuscopa 1 week ago
@ActionEHamshraershV And I still believe they are planing on mounting V6s turbos, 1.6. So, actually if this figures apear on todays cars, tey will be higher than the numbers the cars from this video had back then :).
Tuscopa 1 week ago
@ActionEHamshraershV Oh, I just notice, you were refering the new engines would have still more half the cylinders than the one´s i was talking about. My bad :). Still did not understand if you wanted more cylinders or less on the new turbo engines... Anyway. My bad on the previous coments if your coments intention was as i realised right now.
Tuscopa 1 week ago
Can't wait until turbos are back!
DLarson1083 2 weeks ago
Watching this makes me fully realize that i cant drive for shit... :/
NorCaliBeast 2 weeks ago
Masters of driving!!!
caioghiotto 2 weeks ago
great footage! but the title part "feel the torque" i dont get!? formula 1 cars are known for their high HP at high rpm's but relatively LOW torque, even the classic supercharged and turbo'd ones. these cars won't come off the grid at lets say 1000rpm, due to the low torque.
bvanderheijden1 2 weeks ago
F1 should go back to its roots , where it was car and driver not car computer gps and driver. I feel F1 has become pussyfied ........ get rid of the control tyre , bring back loud v12s with huge turbos and whiteknuckle driving
skitzvitz 2 weeks ago
@skitzvitz I don't see your point. Today's cars are faster than any other period in F1 except 2004. We have moved on (somewhat by necessity) from the days on V12s, tyre wars and dangerous circuits. Give some credit to the engineers and technicians for the advances they have made rather than looking back with rose tinted glasses on the "glory days" of years past.
That's not to say I think FOM are doing a perfect job, but it's time people moved on.
reagerd 2 weeks ago
Would be interesting to compare this footage and, for example, Senna driving. I wonder if you'd sense a difference?
I remember Silverstone, mid 1990's, Schumacher was visibly and audibly quicker than anyone else. Coulthard, for example, looked and sounded like he was on a slowing down lap in comparison, even though he was at his version of race speed.
doobydooby223 3 weeks ago
I am not a morning person, but driving like this every day gets me to work on time.
malaka1212 3 weeks ago
That looks intense. I'll bet they get one hell of a workout during a race.
Vladi306 3 weeks ago
People need to remember the qualifying bhp figures were not equal to what was used in races races. For example: certain website has information about the BMW M12/13 engine: in 1985-1986, 1200-1300 for qualification, 850 bhp in race trim.
deggis4 3 weeks ago
That downshift at 1:09 is mesmerizing!
jon2511 3 weeks ago
Hello, I remaster videos like this one and would like to know if it is your video? And if so, would you allow me to remaster the video and sound then post it on my channel?
f22videos 3 weeks ago
If you don't think F1 drivers today have big balls I recommend looking at Massa and Kubica on the last lap in Japan in the rain. Can't remember what year but when you see it you'll know.
fookfocketyfookfook 3 weeks ago
ahhh good old days!!! 3 pedals, a stick, a circular steering and no fucking traction-pussy-control.
stronghold10a 3 weeks ago
@stronghold10a Amen to that!
Tuscopa 1 week ago
Oh boy how F-1 fell over the years, its absolutely trash to watch these days... I miss the good old days.
Apoic123 3 weeks ago
all i want back in F1 is foot clutch and manual gearbox... And old look of cars conbined with todays safety...!
davorsertic 3 weeks ago
this is one of the few times where i want the reat Murray Walker to shut up
uk285 3 weeks ago
@uk285 *great Murray Walker
uk285 3 weeks ago
@iTriGGletyi You say that but a driver has never had to do so much with the wheel while driving before :S Its crazy! :L Half the drivers are changing brake balance etc half way through high speed corners :/ To be honest I wouldn't say current drivers are not skilled they have more to do just less power to control.
MultiJimmyHenry 3 weeks ago
Torgue is not important for car aceleration.Power = torgue / rpm.Engines with small rpm like turbos have big max torgue on small rpm but they must have longer gearbox and the torgue on the wheels is the same.Engines with big power and big rpm are better for races no matter because they not have big maximum torgue.Engines with big power but small rpm and because of that big max torgue are better for the city cars.
toniiii9 3 weeks ago
Is that H-pattern transmission? And he is doing heel & tow to downshift? That's is amazing gear shift speed...totally manual way...
sr20jun 3 weeks ago
F1 needs sequential gear boxes back! That's how Senna did it!!!
McFly2015AD 3 weeks ago
@McFly2015AD This one´s on this video is not sequencial, it is a H patern manual gear boxe. Senna never drove sequencials. Only H patern manual gear boxes and then, from 92 onwards, semi auto gear boxes. Just an info on that.
Tuscopa 1 week ago
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McFly2015AD 3 weeks ago
I push my car like this once in a while.. for a few seconds at a time. Just think of the focus and energy it would take to fight your nerves living on the edge almost going too fast for the road.. for an hour + straight geez!
nissdrvr 3 weeks ago
These cars should be back now when we have all the safety upgrades....we want manual gearbox, and old engines with lots of hp....
M4ExKalashnikov 3 weeks ago
Even though I'm a newcomer as an F1 fanatic, i want those good old risky days back especially the manual stick shifts and V10's... :)
formula1nh 3 weeks ago 32
@formula1nh Welcome!
a51stef 3 weeks ago 5
@formula1nh a fascinating era indeed! maybe not as ridiculiusly dangerous and hero-making as the sixties though
balitaSR 1 week ago
@formula1nh Welcome indeed! It´s all good, but those old cars...hum....;)
Tuscopa 1 week ago
@formula1nh in that era they were Turbo V6, not V10.
dandectis 5 days ago
@dandectis ...or atmospheric V8s but yea V10 weren't used there
V12Style 4 days ago
@formula1nh These turbo engines were V6's and they gotta have been more horrific to drive due to the immense turbo lag :) the era of V10 engines was way later, in the 1990s-2000s. Turbocharging was banned after 1988 and will be re-introduced in 2013.
moptim 1 day ago
@moptim ahhh I see :)
formula1nh 1 day ago
@formula1nh welcome in this awesome world my friend :D
Sammy95kor 1 day ago
i think the V10 in 2004 was the most scaryest 18000 RPM or im rong
casawi1986 3 weeks ago
Amazing shift down at 1:09! O.O
embsilvestre 3 weeks ago 10
@embsilvestre Yeah cool
a51stef 3 weeks ago
In this video don't look to me like a sequential gearbox, but traditional O_O
cmariucci 3 weeks ago
when did FIA stop turbos on F1 , and why..?
upbeatmantis86 3 weeks ago
@upbeatmantis86 Just a fact that might help you... BMW had 1.5L engine with 1200 HP ;)
Those cars were to fast to race....among all the other problems like overheating and stuff. Also it's much safer sport now
M4ExKalashnikov 3 weeks ago
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viper2788 4 weeks ago
@iTriGGletyi its gonna be lame as shit by the time i make it to f1 ;)
viper2788 4 weeks ago
i dare any one of you complaining about how bad the sport is today to get in a current car and turn in a quick lap time. i dare you to even get it into first gear. the reason it's mostly car today is because drivers were DYING left and right. it's safety regulations that made it this way. but if you want dead drivers, just for your amusement, you have serious mental problems. i'm not debating which era had more real talent.
dethmetalderique 4 weeks ago
@dethmetalderique Yes today drivers are great but now when all the safety things they can give us back manual gearbox and turbo engines....
M4ExKalashnikov 3 weeks ago
@M4ExKalashnikov F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of current technology, which isn't manual gearboxes. trubos are coming back i think in the 2014 season or sometime so.
i love manual cars and desperately wished i owned one but that's not what f1 is about.
dethmetalderique 3 weeks ago 5
@dethmetalderique Wonderfully said thr m8!
undeny 3 weeks ago
@dethmetalderique I own a 2009 Kia Rio...but because its a manual with no power steering it makes in 100 times better. Can't wait until I can upgrade to a manual with more power! I'm never going back to auto!
dukane 3 weeks ago
@dukane i've been in the market for an early 90s miata for a while, just need to get my funds up first. i plan to cage it, turbo it, strip the interior, race seats and harnesses, basically turn it into and autocross monster.
dethmetalderique 3 weeks ago
What overrevs when shift down! :-O
MassimoBacilieri 4 weeks ago
Great video, wow those cars must have been a handfull, great Adelaide track too, if i remember rightly Senna's had his last victory there at the end of the 93 season
1679peter 4 weeks ago 3
@1679peter Thanks!
a51stef 3 weeks ago
@1679peter And you remember correctly :). Senna´s last victory was indeed Adelaide 93. Awesome track, awesome driver. Also Prost´s last race was at that same track, that same year, that same day. The end of an era...
Tuscopa 1 week ago
@iTriGGletyi In the 80's or 90's, there were few top drivers and shitty drivers... today, it is different. I think you are right but it is not 90% human and 10%car in the back. We can just say that today, most of the races are boring because the pilots are very good drivers for most of them. Maybe 3 of them are top drivers and 3 of them are shitty drivers. It is not just about the car. We can just see that we have more better drivers today than before ;)
jeanclaude780 1 month ago
@jeanclaude780 "We can just see that we have better drivers today than before". That's ridiculous. Back then a driver had to be REALLY good to join F1. Today, if you just know how to park you car into your garage and have loads of money, you can do it.
Drivers from nowadays would piss in their pants if they had to drive against these old buddies in those 1200bhp turbo charged monsters.
LouieGee 4 weeks ago
@LouieGee How can you know that ? who knows ? if you put Vettel in the Senna's car, maybe he could beat his times lap ^^ but of course you ill think the contrary because Senna died so he is a god... Senna was a great driver like a lot of drivers before. But the pilots todays are very good too.
jeanclaude780 1 week ago
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@jeanclaude780 Look buddy, I know. I know because I am an F1 enthusiast, analyzer, researcher and have studied this sport for years. You are clueless saying that we gave "more better drivers today" when most of them are PAYING to get a seat in F1. Back then you had to have TALENT (in exception for Nakajima) to get a seat.
Vettel? They've already put Hamilton in Senna's car and Hamilton himself said that he could never drive it to the limit like Senna did: /watch?v=Iooo40nX2aU
LouieGee 5 days ago
i was there! thats adelaide
888kabe 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi 15% human 5% superhuman
GonePro27 1 month ago
@TheARMAProductions yeah lol I've seen a fair few TT segments... let's just say the reference to these guys being nuts is all relative, ;).
xxJSGC123xx 1 month ago
the good old 1500 bhp manual gearbox no driving aid days :X
ultimateM36 1 month ago
Murray: "Watch Johnny Dumfries right hand as he changes gear"
*Johnny Dumfries stays in the same gear for the next ten seconds*
reaper11392 1 month ago
@reaper11392 Murray is so funny! Also notice J.Dumfries changes down from 6th to 4th, then 3rd, 2nd and 1st. Interesting!
lcville 1 month ago
Incredible how these engines didn't blow up with that manic downshifting, lol. And no semi-auto boxes with over-rev protection. Great vid.
kosmo177 1 month ago
@kosmo177 that is why they mach the revs, so that the engines wouldnt blow up
letsgettheGhosTon 1 month ago
@letsgettheGhosTon hehe thanks man I know, its still impressive how fast they bang down through gears.
kosmo177 1 month ago
Is it a sequential gearbox? Surely it can't be the like normal cars with the different gear positions; that would be insanely hard. If it is a DSG, then why is he pulling it and pushing it away to change gear? Weird. (And also, if you see other videos of 80s-90s F1, the driver doesn't touch the gear stick to shift down, what's that about?)
TheEljay 1 month ago
@TheEljay back then it was a "normal" H-pattern gearbox. Yep insanely hard heh, part of the reason why I can't take the likes of Alonso and co. too seriously these days. Sequential and DSG are not the same thing BTW (though the DSG is sequential).
kosmo177 1 month ago
@kosmo177 Ah sorry, didn't mean DSG. Paddles don't take nearly as much effort, but I tell you I'd rather have them than a stick shift gearbox if I was racing in Formula 1.
TheEljay 1 month ago
@TheEljay for sure semi-auto is most effective, everyone would prefer paddles when racing, even these guys. When they asked F1 and WRC drivers a few years back what is the most important technological advancement in motorsports, more than 90% of them said "changing gears with both hands on the wheel". But there is an undeniable sense of nostalgia and admiration for those golden years of motorsports, where rules and even safety came second to seeing just how far they could go.
kosmo177 1 month ago
@kosmo177 Couldn't have worded it better myself. I'm glad motorsports have such a high focus on safety nowadays, though watching cars from back then drive on the line between life and death (quite literally) is awe-inspiring and brilliant.
TheEljay 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi Nah I reckon it was more 60-40. The car is very important; there have always been competitive teams and not so competitive teams, regardless of drivers. Todays cars are certainly easier to drive fast, but I don't think they are physically easier to drive for long distances because of the higher G-forces created by the huge amounts of downforce todays cars have. But I guess it balances out because nowadays the chance of death or serious injury is minimal.
seismica 1 month ago
0:25 Dunny Dumfries.. heh..
CHABBO 1 month ago
Take off Flappy Paddles! F1 would be so much better without them
TheMikeyH123 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi I watch F1 because it's not just the driver that does everything, because the car is important too.
jlbergqvist 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi Go watch GP2 then.
jlbergqvist 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi
90% Technique 10% human
Lyricoholic 1 month ago
kubica lol he cashed when he had to drive a real car ..kubica a good loser
reobarrt 1 month ago
fuckin bangin gears
franktib 1 month ago
Look at the shifting....my god!
newlyfoundrenegade 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi That's why we miss Senna.
tthhnnee 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi it was nuts, drivers were dying at ridiculous rates and your survival odds were barely evens if you drove an f1 car in that period. I hate how cars are the dominant factor as much as the next guy but we havnt had a death in f1 since 1994 (touchwood)
jackkarter89 1 month ago
these cars had very little down force so the are slow in braking and in corners but harder to drive
in the rain no way ..all drivers of those days were gods.. today well today drives girls -
reobarrt 1 month ago
@reobarrt I disagree with you. Today's drivers are not girls. It's not their fault that the technology nowadays plays biggest part of this sport. They drive on what the sport offers them but they are not girls. We still have plenty of great talents like Kubica for example. On the other hand I agree that this sport is not the same anymore, I miss the old days I am watching F1 since ealry 1990 and I remember what it was to watch F1 with friends. It's boring now.... :)
Slu4ainika 1 month ago 14
@Slu4ainika Sport lol. This used to be a sport. Now it's a business.
DeadbeatXT 2 weeks ago
must be heartstopping accelerating in that taking a hand of the steering wheel while rocketing down a straight
fistymcbuttpuncher 1 month ago
i love this souds :D
AKaMalPL 1 month ago
bring back manual shifters!
riceburnagtv 1 month ago
fan-tas-tic
schummiehugo 1 month ago
looks like he needs more visibility..
karlbuttler 1 month ago
fighting the wheel, love it
boothyofyick 1 month ago
@iTriGGletyi
you're an ignorant idiot, well done.
joyfulvulture 1 month ago
the real drivers!!
turbosrt 1 month ago
lovely how the stopped car is just centimetres away from the racing ones on the begining of the video... just balls
Miskojones 1 month ago
It's amazing to see Dumfries downshifting. I read an interview in a magazine in which he said he had an unique style to downshift which really punished the gearbox. You can see it clearly at the tight hairpin, how he shifts quickly through all gears. It's stunning.
AAProf90 1 month ago
too bad the blablabla morons thought they were more brilliant than the sounds of those engines. Never have been annoyed this much by commentators.
irapesheep 1 month ago
why cant he pass that dude?
aesutton 1 month ago
@aesutton He's not fast enough
arena2101 1 month ago
I get goosebumps when the snowplow drags the blade and sparks fly. Imagine snowplows racing in Formula 1. I must be high on baby formula !
seapeddler 1 month ago
I bet the roar of that engine as it accelerates matches the the size of the driver grin :D
1977Harrier 1 month ago
Incredible driving, this gives you an idea of the effort an F1 driver endures during a race, or atleast back then. I guess one thing you can mention about todays F1 drivers is the need to withstand larger G-forces than previous generations.
55DJL 1 month ago
They must have had wrists and shoulders like nobody's business! That's without the energy of the bumpiness and the BHP...
modern onboard cameras are wonderful, but even more than here they do not give a true reflection of the suspension/ride...when you play the video games that cannot be stimulated...(or the G forces, of course)
Stereolabdream 1 month ago
I'm exhausted just from watching that lap, god knows how they did that for a whole race!
unicron2002 1 month ago
how to dirve this kind of car during 1h30 min ??? incredible
sedan1070 1 month ago
commentator SHUT UP
VladBlok28 1 month ago
how are those cabins big enough for their balls?
neilious01 1 month ago 81
@neilious01 :O
lutontown123 1 month ago
@marcospcury looks like it doesn't it.
gallowman89 1 month ago
Is he using an "H" style gear shift lever??
marcospcury 1 month ago
@marcospcury yes
VladBlok28 1 month ago
its usual , but very impresive ,,,, nice material
miguffx 1 month ago
How many cylinders did Turbo F1 cars have?
elr456 1 month ago
@elr456 1,5l (1500cc) 6 cylinders, in qualifying mode: +1300 bhp.
juvenaldamasceno 1 month ago
@juvenaldamasceno That is insane.
elr456 1 month ago
@elr456 HI! BMW engine was a 4cyl.,Tag-Porsche,Renault and Ferrari were 6 and Alfa Romeo had 8 cyl.engines.All of engines had 1500cc.displacement.
indigoblue555 1 month ago
@indigoblue555 How can these seemingly small engines take so much power?? These really are scary cars.
elr456 1 month ago
@elr456 Turbo engines ! Turbo tecn.is nearly 60 years old,and allows terrific power from
little engines,with monster torque values as well. These engines ruled in F1 from 1984 until 1988 if memory serves.Very difficult driving because power was not progressively released:it came alltogether a split second after you floored the pedal (turbolag).
indigoblue555 1 month ago
@elr456 Turbo engines,since 60 years approx.,provide high power with little displacement.
These F1cars were difficult to be mastered (exp.on wet surface) because of power and moreover because of the way this power was released.It came alltogether a splitsecond after you floored the pedal (turbolag):aspirated engines do release power much more progressively when you accelerate.
indigoblue555 1 month ago
@indigoblue555 And did these cars have any aids like traction control? Driving in a super lightweight vehicle like this with more than 1300BHP seems so easy for these guys...
elr456 1 month ago
@elr456 no electronics whatsoever in the cars, you can hear them working the throttle through the corners
mailmeonline 1 month ago
@elr456 they didn't have any of that. Most of the cars didn't have seats either, the drivers just had to sit upon their enormous testicles.
smartergroup 1 month ago
The steering wheel in the 98T was bolted on and not a quick release one! This is when the drivers had to drive the car rather than just point it in the right direction and hit the loud pedal!
jamesjamesjames1973 1 month ago
no electronic nonsense..just driving!!
DummkopfRadar 1 month ago
To quote Gerhard Berger - "The 98T turbo cars really were rockets... and to handle them, I think you had to be a man!" :D
Xehanor 2 months ago
Truth be told - this is the lap that changed my life forever - the first on-board video i ever saw - and i was instantly addicted to the audio-visual-tactile experience of circuit racing. That moment when . If you're lucky, you know what you want to do with your life.
BiggerThinking1 2 months ago
they should make this car on GT5 ;(
iegemboy 2 months ago
I met Johnny Dumfries at Brands Hatch at a sports car race.. He's a nice guy, he told me that he never minded being no2 driver to Senna at Lotus because he got the chance to be an F1 driver..
edd55r 2 months ago
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Not scary - just awesome. Crazy when comparing today's F1 cars with electronic shift buttons on the steering wheel.. Yes, it's faster shifting and it's technically safer, but a huge technical part of racing the car is taken away. You actually drive cars with manual transmissions. Automatics and semi-automatics with manual electronic shifting just isn't the same and manual shifting requires a whole other set a skills.
epcdaniel 2 months ago
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epcdaniel 2 months ago
This video doesn't do justice on how F1 turbo were, find some Senna and Villeneuve videos and you'll see how fast they really were, some set the engine to 1400 hp during qualifying. Yes the 1960's cars were just a little pipe with an engine and 4 wheels attached to it, those were very scary (and sexy looking) cars, but even the best F1 drivers admitted turbo cars were absolutely scary because of the missile like accelerating power.
sookster54 2 months ago
this would be so much better without commentary..
minzu79 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
Can I just say, as a 17 year-old who only started watching F1 in '09, that after watching quite a few classic clips and the film 'Senna', I've come to notice how these guys were nuts, and have to be the most talented sportsmen on the planet. Infinite respect for them.
xxJSGC123xx 2 months ago 54
@xxJSGC123xx
Dont let Trick you, its only the old Analog Camera, who made look the Old Cars fast.
With the new Digital HD Camera F1 look really slow and boring.
But in Real the Cars of Today are much much faster than the Turbo Era Cars.
Just visit and F1 GP Live, than you gonna see the Difference, because the old Cars also Drive before the Race start.
If you see both Cars Live, than you realise that the Old Cars are real slow and Boring in compare to the New Cars.
kallo182 1 month ago
@kallo182 What a stupid comment. All I can say to you my friend is: "Ignorance is bliss."
HamMan1997The2nd 1 month ago
@HamMan1997The2nd
And this comes from someone who never saw an Racecar in his life, and know F1 only from YouTube.
I life in Germany near by Hockenheim, i know all Racecars since i was a Child.
Only some Stupid Senna Fanboys think this Cars was so fast, in Real this Cars are 20 seconds Slower than Today Cars.
You dont need to answer me, because in know Senna was the best of all this Cars was the fastest of all ant they got 1900hp ....... bla bla bla
kallo182 1 month ago
@kallo182 Perhaps you are the one who has never seen a race car in your entire life. How are you going to say that today's cars are 20 seconds quicker than these cars? Are you on crack/cocaine? KERS? DRS? Give it up, today's F1 is a joke compared to this.
HamMan1997The2nd 1 month ago
@HamMan1997The2nd health and safety gone mad (sadly prompted by the loss of the great Ayreton Senna)
smartergroup 1 month ago
@HamMan1997The2nd
Its the Truth, Today Cars are much faster, special in the Corner they are way more faster than thees.
Today Cars are way more Noisey, they make a Sound you Pain in the Ears, and the Enginesound is way more Imposant and Violent than from this 80s Cars.
And its the Truth, 90% of the People who Klick F1 Videos on YouTube, dont ever seen an Racecar, you can read on all this Stupid Comments like:
"Today Cars drive Automaticly and the Driver only sit in there" xDD
kallo182 1 month ago
@xxJSGC123xx Well said.... Im sure you can imagine how we "older" ppl all felt after watching these GP's live, when the news came on and headline was "Ayrton Senna was pronounced dead...". One of those like-it-was-last-night moments... todays F1 is a sad joke compared to how the sport was.
sz1234sz 1 month ago
@xxJSGC123xx couldn't say It better myself kiddo, very nice!! :D I'm 34, have watched all classic f1 80s/90s live (tv & interlagos) here in Brazil.
damn, those where the days. THOSE WHERE THE F*** DAYS.
davifernandeslima01 1 month ago
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The 1985 to 1993 years were F1's GOLDEN ERA - 1000% better than modern F1 - in fact i watch more archive footage of those days than I do current F1 - and i watch progressively less and less current F1 as it deteriorates further and further - in fact its now about at the point I will watch only historic archives and quit watching current F1 altogether - its over - bears almost no resemblance to the mighty sport it was in 1985 - 1993 - F1, the sport I once loved so much, has been killed!
BiggerThinking1 1 month ago
@xxJSGC123xx You think these guys are nuts?
Check out TT Closer to the Edge. Isle of Mann racers have more balls than these guys. Not downplaying F1, I love it too, but F1 is the gateway drug to MotoGP
Tachypsychia 1 month ago
@Tachypsychia yeah Ik too true. They shouldn't wear leathers, they need regulation straitjackets lol.
xxJSGC123xx 1 month ago
at 53:00 he says 130kmph but surely its more like 130mph isnt it lol
liamcarroll1993xx 2 months ago
I think he is shifting gears with his full strength.
fisicors25 2 months ago
this is not scary man, this is pure adrenaline, this is beautiful
uccellinitec 2 months ago
modern f1 is shit lol
addz17 2 months ago
Chuck Norris' go kart .
epicutubemembername 2 months ago
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joniwone 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
manual transmission...is for real racers FUCK YEA >=(
DMTurbo4Ever 2 months ago
If you snobs think that racing is about physical endurance and courage, then you must love motocross, right?
nandoanalog 2 months ago
Oh yeah, H shifter ! That`s how you drive a car. Way too much drivings aids today :(
B4tt 2 months ago
Look at those gear changes! That was real F1
door2doorman 2 months ago
handgear
fieriaXXXXX 2 months ago
how can he shift that fast??
is this car has clutch pedal?
voithschneider55 2 months ago