Now lets talk about Mithra of Persia 1200 years before Christ, born on Dec 25th, mother was a virgin, performed miracles, taught about good and evil, was crucified dead for 3 days and was resurrected.
And Krishna of India born on Dec 25, of a virgin, performed miracles, murdered and was resurrected.
900 years before Christ, Shall I continue there are 5 others.
I read the Bible "King James Version", but it is a retelling of a previous story 3000 years older..
The Egyptian God Horas was born on Dec 25th, born of a virgin, three kings followed a star in the east to witness his birth, at the age of 30 he was baptized and started a ministry teaching good is better than evil, he was known to his followers as the "light", he had 12 disciples, he healed the sick and walked on water, was betrayed, crucified dead for three days and then resurrected.
All of those are false and unfounded. While mythical people and legends like those did influence the creation of Jesus' own character, his attributes weren't completely plagiarized from other characters. The bible writers weren't THAT dumb.
@physics Since the beginning (Genesis) you'll find Satan imitating what God does, that's his M.O. (Method of Operation), you would know this if you actully read the Bible.
Satan (the god of this world) imitates everything God does and satan had access to God word BEFORE it appeared on earth. You would know this also if you read the Bible. Try it sometimes, it's amazing.
King James where did you GO? Need to study that Bible a little more? Your history rusty? Your Bible starting to have contradictions? I f you want I will start listing them, have you got a year or two?
And Sunday a holy day? The year has 364.24 days how do you divide that up into an even amount of Sundays? And given 2000 years since Christs death Sunday has to be off by over a year. And why did the Aztec's invent a calender accurate to a minute a year but Greeks, Romans, Chinese and Christians still can't get it right. The US government had to adjust their clocks last year. The Aztecs didn't.
Why is it that The Bible is only understood by 1/3 of the world and considered the word of God by even fewer? Why is it "Grimm's Fairy Tales" can be read and the lessons learned by every one including children. Who is the better author? And why is it YOU think your version of the Bible interpreted by YOU is the TRUE word of God? I think that makes you the most arrogant self righteous person on this planet. Come on keep up with me before the Sabbath.
@physicsn Grimm's fairly tales cannot hold a candle to the King James Bible in any way. The KJB is THE most produced book in the world... ever, as in ALL time. No book can even come close in comparison. The Gideon organization alone (gideons.org) gave their 1 billioneth copy to G.W. Bush and that was back in 2000. If you look under my section of Bible preaching you'll find a BBC documentary - The making of the King James Bible. For a secular production, it's worth a watch
God lets man design and build and use artificial hearts and other body parts but the Bible tells YOU that blood cannot be reproduced. If you were dying would you refuse artificial or man made blood? Isn't the wine you drink during communion wine and made by man?
@physicsn "Isn't the wine you drink during communion" No, it's not. Christians drink Grape juice not booze. You must be thinking of catholicism, they are the booze drinkers and the ones who have perverted the words of the living God.
Last supper:
Matt. 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, (Grape juice) until that day when I drink it new (NEW wine) with you in my Father's kingdom.
New wine is found in the cluster (Isa. 65:8), NOT a booze bottle
"You must be thinking of catholicism they are the booze drinkers and the ones who have perverted the words of the living God"
lol catholics. They realized long ago that they had to bring their bronze-age mythology up on par with modern knowledge, otherwise their religion would lose too many fans. They have no choice but to accept biology, cosmology, alien life, all the other sciences. The only question they won't allow catholics to ask is what caused the big bang
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression.
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgressi
Verses that tell an educated person there was no need for Jesus, God was already going to forgive. Why did Jesus, Why does he forgive in OT and yet need to super forgive in NT?
And your blood design just proves all other shapes for blood cells were eliminated through nature selection. Dick Chaney is living without a heart
@physi "Verses that tell an educated person there was no need for Jesus"
You LEFT out a part of the scripture (like satan did Gen.3) CLEAR THE GUILTY, that's why he had to come and shed his blood, SAME forgiveness but men don't just need forgiveness, they need redemption, remission and ultimately a glorified (brand new) physical body. There is FAR more to salvation than just forgiveness and Jesus death on the cross accomplished all of this. Try reading the Bible sometime.
Scientist have replaced the magnesium in a plant chlorophyl to iron and they created a replacement for blood. No God needed. You say no one has ever seen code give rise to a life. but five hundred years ago Christians thought the earth was flat and the heavens were up there. A computer program has already been able to tell quantity without having to count. How? Children don’t learn this till they are three and it is considered a human ability.
if you want to let learn more physicsngod@yahoo.com
"and who DESIGNED the computer? Who PROGRAMMED the code?"
Computers are not analogous to biological and pre-biological chemistry. For life to emerge it does not need code, it needs only a molecular structure with chemical properties that allows it to function in ways supportive for self-reproduction and metabolism (the two main characteristics that define life)
@physicsn1god - No they sure DIDN'T "create a replacement for blood" whoever told you That - Fed you pure Nonsense, - The Bible repeatedly Says : The Life of the flesh is in the Blood. - End of Story.
Check out the E-magazine, ZMEmagazine, Yes there are replacements for blood not just from plants but from other sources too. Do I need to teach you about the truth through physics, math and empirical data, not myth, fairy stories.
@MrMZaccone No I didn't think you would. which is exactly what the verse says. i have no reason to answer your silly question. proverbs says, "the fool says in his heart there is no God,"and "don't answer a fool according to His folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes." i'm sorry, but you are fooling no one but yourself.
Its depressing to see people deny how things work just so their ego can hold onto bronze-age worldviews
Is it really more comforting to them to think there's a guy sitting behind a cosmic computer pushing buttons and controlling life as if everyone's a character in a Sim's videogame? Is it more comforting to deny bio-evolution and imagine a universe whose only life is on Earth, rather than a universe teaming with intelligent life who are looking at our galaxy in the same way we look at others?
@con "as if everyone's a character in a Sim's videogame?"
So you have reveled how you have developed such a twisted, perverted and corrupt world-view. You play computer games and have confused reality with fantasy.
" teaming with intelligent life.. in the same way we look at others?"
we? What intelligent life?? More fantasy on your part. Stop watching so many hellywood movies and come down to REALITY and not the fantasy world you're living in.
"So you have reveled how you have developed such a twisted, perverted and corrupt world-view. You play computer games and have confused reality with fantasy"
And you have revealed that you're a close-minded/unimaginative idiot who doesn't understand metaphors and analogies. You confuse ancient fairytales with the physical reality.
"we? What intelligent life? More fantasy on your part"
I shouldn't have to elaborate what "we" means in that context. But I will say that it obviously doesn't include close-minded idiots like yourself who don't look at the cosmos with any analytical depth or rational perspective. Yes, there is more life out there. I know your anthropomorphic religion wants you to think God created the universe just to contain Earth and the drama of human society, but thats wrong
And I can say this affirmatively because all the constituents and conditions needed for animate molecular systems (life) exists all throughout the cosmos. Wherever there is a planet capable of producing RNA/TNA/DNA/GNA/PNA, it is only a matter of statistics for a small percentage of those trillions of RNA segments to fold over on themselves into intricate shapes that can behave like RNA polymerase (reproduction) and enzymes
@con "Yes, there is more life out there" < You changed your statement, before you said "teaming with intelligent life.. in the same way we look at others" the previous statement implies that the life (out there) is LIKE ours and "they" are looking at us like groups like (SETI) look at them. The problem is, it's non-existent. They may be looking but have found nothing. so, you can only ASSUME this, just like carl the pagan did, he ASSUMED too (but knows better now).
"th previous statement implies that the life (out there) is LIKE ours"
Obviously no. Life on the other planets would look drastically different from us. Convergent evolution could make other biped primates like humans, but that's where the similarity would end. When I said "like us" I was referring to an evolved consciousness capable of thinking beyond the norm (norm on Earth has been to think the cosmos was created just for us, thus no point in looking for life)
"The problem is, it's non-existent. They may be looking but have found nothing"
Actually, they haven't been looking. What they thought they were looking for, which is radiowaves, actually dissipate and loose cohesion within 1-2 lightyears. Every transmission we've sent in space wouldn't go much further than the Oort Cloud. The only way to get a signal between stars is with laser communications, and that's what needs to be scanned but so far no ones doing it
''1st non-ape human babies , but could produce offspring? The whole thing is ridiculas.''
That is because you don't understand how evolution happens. could NOT possibly come about with the random chance of evolution (the popular science fiction theory)
1. It is not radom, Darwin discoveren Natural Selection.
2. Evolution is a proven fact, the Theory shows how it happens.
@greg no, I DO understand it and that's why I reject it as a fabricated fantasy. Evolution takes place in the imagination and no where else on earth, never has, never will. There is no evidence and you ceratinly did not produce any. Selection is NOT A CREATIVE process, only in the imagination (science Fiction) does selection (CREATE)
Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
But you have no problem accepting a concoction of past cultural beliefs and legends that have evolved into mainstream religion?
Tell me this then. You think humans require a creator because of our complexity (your inability to understand biology and chemistry), yet a creator who physically looks like a male human with a human personality (as shown in the OT bible) does not require a creator himself? That is f'ing stupid
"Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"
So tell me why you think it's logical to say humans require a creator because of our complex molecular structure, but a God who physically looks like his own creations does not require one himself?
Since there were many human ancestral species that looked different, does this mean God's physical appearance has evolved along with humans?
''and have NO EVIDENCE '' Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
@gregrutz What a goof you are. Similarities do not mean that one came from another. What a childish perspective you have. BTW: there are MILLIONS of differences between chimps and men .......idiot!
@gregrutz Space limits how absurb the idea of chimps related to humans are but I'll give one example. Chimps when born are almost completely Self sufficient, humans need months, yea YEARS of care before being on their own. Now ask yourself How would the 1st human babies survived? What is the probability that the last set of ape parents would give birth to dizygoti twins which could not only survive as the 1st non-ape human babies , but could produce offspring? The whole thing is ridiculas.
@KingJamesBible Chimps and humans have a common ancestor. The first human had a small head and didn't need to be born early and need extra care.
''the first non-ape human'' LOL Humans are still classified as APES.
. Wikipedia.
The Hominidae (also known as GREAT APES), as the term is used here, form a taxonomic family, including four extant genera: chimpanzees (Pan), gorillas (Gorilla), humans (Homo), and orangutans (Pongo).
The most recent common ancestor was 14 million years ago.
@KingJamesBible Muscle for muscle, bone for bone you are the same as a Chimp. You are less than 2% different. And you don't think there is any evidence humans and chimps are related?
How do you explain humans have 23 chromosomes pairs, chimps have 24, but the human chromosome #2 is made out from the fusion of 2 chimp chromosomes?
@gregrutz The point made about chromosome #2 is in my mind irrefutable. That just shows in a PRACTICAL matter (even the most stupid of people can understand that), that if we shared a common ancestor, then there must be an explanation why we miss 1 pair of chromosome compared to apes. What happened? You are right: they FUSED. That doesn't explain by itself the evolution of man, but it's a remnant of the evolutionistic mechanism.
@Gazdo01 All I gotta say is you guys are idiots and I agree with KJB 100%. If you want SCIENTIFIC PROOF of creation check out Kenneth Hovind. He refutes half the crap you guys are brainwashed to believed. Who's brainwashed here? I decided, as an adult and based on evidence and the Holy Spirit, that the Bible is irrefutable, but you have probably believed in evolution since it was taught to you as a child. Duh?
@DJMforever "He refutes half the crap you guys are brainwashed to believed."
And I refute 100% of what he says.
You CANNOT be serious... Ken Hovind... REALLY?? Why do you stick with the laughing stock of the whole scientific community, and reject what 100% of real accredited, peer-reviewed scientists say?
Tell me, what did Ken Hovind and his pseudo-scientific approach has produced for us? What advances in science did we make thanks to his theories?
@DJMforever You and Daniel are dishonest people, who don't seek true, but are convinced they already found it. If you seriously think Ken Hovind refutes anything at all, then it shows you never read an actual biology book.
Ken Hovind is such a disgrace to the intellect, you should feel ashamed to even mention his name in a serious discussion like this one I'm trying to have.
Start reading the conversation I've had with KJB the past 2 months... maybe you can answer some objections I've made.
@Gazdo01 You and everyone else on this post have already been answered. You haven't 'won' any conversation or debate. I won't be commenting on this post anymore, as your questions aren't worthy of an answer. Maybe if you ask a question that has a point or relevancy then it would be answered.
@KingJamesBible So why it is you don't understand evolution? Even the most basis stuff you don't know about...
Every critic you make is invalid. It doesn't attack the REAL THEORY OF EVOLUTION, but rather a construct of your imagination, and that of the anti-evolution crowd.
You can fight it all you want, we don't care. We know science works. We know what is true. One day, you're gonna be dead, and your theory will die with you, soon enough.
@Gaz "doesn't attack the REAL THEORY OF EVOLUTION"
aaaaah yes the "real" theory as if I don't understand it and that's why I reject it. This is the EXACT SAME APPEAL that every cult in the world uses. From freemasons and rosicrucians to mormoms, catholics and of course evolution. If you only understood the "REAL" knowledge that "WE" understand you would be enlightened like "WE" are.
This has always been Satan's tactic "then your eyes shall be opened" eating from the tree of KNOWLEDGE.
"If you only understood the "REAL" knowledge that "WE" understand you would be enlightened like "WE" are"
And it's true. People who understand biology/evolution will believe it, people who don't understand it, won't believe. This is why the vast majority of people who do not believe evolutionary biology are people who don't know the science behind it. You need real knowledge for science, but you need only primitive feelings to have faith in mysticism/religion
dispite what you think I studied biology for many years in school. Evolution has nothing to do with it unless you FORCE it in and make it APPEAR like it happens. It doesn't.
"I studied biology for many years in school. Evolution has nothing to do with it"
Sounds like you must have been given the watered-down half-assed version of biology at the local theist indoctrination school
"make it APPEAR like it happens"
Yeah, how dare scientists use empirical data and observed facts to bring us to the most logical conclusion to explain the diversity of species. Especially observed instances of speciation. I suppose you think Satan did that
@greg Gazdo is a fool and an idiot who thinks he's smarter than God. There are MILLIONS of differences between chimps and men, not just 2%. How do you explain the simple fact that man is the only creature that is not born with clothes? Chimps are born with their clothes.(fur) I think it would be a benefit to be born with clothes. IF evolution was true, it's stupid based on this fact alone.
@greg that FUR is their CLOTHES... dummy. Men wear clothes MADE from animals or plants that we must MAKE (manufacture, from DESIGN). Explain WHY this is. No animal does this, just us "evolved" (sarcasm) humans. Explain WHY this is, IF evolution is true.
@greg "Humans wear clothes so they don't get cold dummy" If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They don't, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up.
Why?
SIN!
Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
@greg I see you missed the point. If evolution were true why does man (and ONLY man) need to make his clothes? Every other creature on earth, too many to count does NOT.
@KingJamesBible Man does not NEED to make clothes. Humans CAN make clothes which allows him to live in places other than where they evolved, in Africa.
@greg Why is that? If evolution were true then men (the so-called HIGHEST FORM) of evolution would have had the clothes "evolve" I thought evolution was all about adaptation and mutation. If men moved from Africa to (extremes) like Alaska, why didn't they "ADAPT" clothes in the porocess?? silly
aside from that, people in Africa STILL were clothes for protection and other uses.
Then it would have substantial evidence for it ranging from numerous fields of study that independent confirm each others' predictions.
Take 30 minutes to research the empirical data for evolution theory. Contrast the wikipedia entrance for I.D. hypothesis with the one on evolution theory. I see the former has no empirical data for it, while the latter has mountains. What do you see?
"If evolution were true then men (the so-called HIGHEST FORM) of evolution would have had the clothes "evolve"
Wrong.
Please, just take 30 minutes to learn how evolution works.
"If men moved from Africa to (extremes) like Alaska, why didn't they "ADAPT" clothes in the porocess??"
That question can be answered if you would just take a brief moment to try and comprehend how evolution works. Then think hard about why humans wouldn't need to evolve fur
"wear clothes so they don't get cold dummy" If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They dont, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up"
Actually many primitive tribes do run around naked. And for the people who wear drapes, those are typically to prevent sun burn and protect against brush/branches. Genitals are covered up because it is a sensitive zone, and we instinctively guard such regions (eyes/mouth/face)
"If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They don't, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up"
Evidence of humans living naked for long spans of time is the fact dicks have a natural tan. This pigment has evolved to prevent dick sun burn, because it's a total disadvantage to have a dick too painful to fuck with.
@KingJamesBible "Gazdo is a fool and an idiot who thinks he's smarter than God"
I'd really wish you'd cut the puerile name calling, and start giving actual arguments. I've said it before... Apparently, the "fool" here is the one with to argument whatsoever. How easy it is to insult other people. Even 5 years old can do that.
"This is all assumptions and imagination. There is NO evidence for this whatsoever. You have been brainwashed by this fantasy to make you stupid and unable to think. and apparently, it works.
You sure do like to slander science with accusations such as, "no evidence" "fantasy" "speculative assumptions" "magical"
But have you ever realized how ironic it is to slander science because it contradicts your faith in bronze-age mythology?
@KingJamesBible There is more evidence of mans evolution from apes than there is you are mentally competent, Insanity is defined as someone who is delusional and you obviously are, go to a museum or pick up a book, each step apes had to progress in order to survive has a fossil record. The Kings James Bible is the same as Grimm's Fairy stories, written by story tellers to teach a lesson. Over 500 contradictions in the New Testament proves it is all how you say something not what is being said.
@KingJamesBible You see evolution as these GIANTS steps, when they are tiny variations at a time.
What you are doing goes exactly like this: you look at me (grown man) and say it is impossible that I came out of a woman's womb. That's not how evolution works!!!!
Evolution is like taking a picture of yourself everyday of your life. You NEVER can tell the difference between parents and their child, but after let's say 100 000 generations, you look back at see A difference.
@Ga "you look at me (grown man) and say it is impossible that I came out of a woman's womb"
No I wouldn't even think to say that since I can OBSERVE IT. The difference is observation, evolution is not obsevered, it's imagined in your mind. That's the only place evolution happenes, in your mind or in a cartoon/computer animation.
@KingJamesBible "No I wouldn't even think to say that since I can OBSERVE IT"
No you can't, that's the point of the analogy.
You CANNOT observe me growing from SECOND to SECOND.
You can observe the difference if we haven't seen each other for a couple of years. Then it becomes apparent.
I compared every second of my life to a generation in a specie. You can NEVER tell the difference between parents and their children, just as you can NEVER tell the difference on me from second to second.
Yes it is. But your simplistic brain cannot understand how science works.
Hey buddy, we're not in 1700 anymore... Scientists don't need to actually SEE in a lab with their naked eye a phenomenon to actually declare it true. There are other ways to mesure things...
Answer me: Nobody has ever seen an electron. Consequently, do you reject the atomic theory??
Nobody's been inside the Earth or the Sun, but we know what's in them. Do you reject that ??
"Are you suggesting men actually went to the center of the Earth??"
If someone believes a person can live in the digestive juices of a whale for 3 days, and believes God looks like a supernatural black homo sapien in appearance, then I'm sure these people are naive enough to believe just about any far-fetched fairytale just as long as it does not involve empirical/scientific evidence. Some people's brains are just structured to favor mysticism over logic and reason
"the best thing to do is just believe what God said and glean from that"
No. The best thing to do isn't to believe every story you read, especially not ancient mythology. If something requires faith to believe (mandatory for religion), then it has no bearing with evidence. If the biblical God were true he would not create so much evidence in the world against his himself. Life and our planet have the vestiges and signs of evolution and lengthy processes all over
According to what definition of evolution? Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists which make claims that cannot be proven and are not science.
The definition is that organisms evolve (in other words, change to better suit a condition)
"Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists"
Blah blah blah. Why don't you read any of them and tell us why the science is wrong? These peer reviewed papers involve observations of facts. Then the science explains them, and tests predictions. So tell me how its wrong?
"Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists"
So you deny the documented appearance of novel genes and novel adaptations? And the observed instances of speciation?
The only propaganda essayists are by the creation "scientist" peer review boards who reject empirical science and accommodate supernaturality, because their religion only makes sense when explained with pseudoscience and mysticism.
"If the biblical God were true he would not create so much evidence in the world against his himself"
---I agree and the whole creation is evidence of his work"
You agree that there is so much evidence against God, and all observations coincide with slow, natural, quantifiable processes as predicted in science?
@KingJamesBible I am GOD, I can answer any question put to me, I can tell you where and when the universe began, I can tell you why you are here and what will happen tomorrow. I can stop time, space, even gravity. I can explain all things to a person who can think freely and with a mathematical, logical and scientific understanding of physics. Go ahead ask me anything. physicsngod@yahoo.com
@KingJamesBible Again read a book, look at the fossil record, a salamander in Washington state had to change its DNA in order to survive the increasingly warming temperatures. And it did, the studies were absolute FACT.
@KingJamesBible So, asking HOW the FIRST human baby survived is quite an absurd question and proves you don't understand a SINGLE THING of what evolution actually is.
Every single biologist would also deny the kind of "evolution" you refer to... everybody would.
That is not the kind of evolution that has been proven for the past 150 years.
I would claim that DNA is the best proof for evolution.
As soon as we discovered how genes work phenotypically, and how they're transmitted from one generation to the other, then evolution was demonstrably true. Also, our understanding of mutations was a big step ahead. Finally, the human genome project. The fact that we have 23 pairs of genes, and chimps have 24... but we discovered that 1 of our pairs is actually exactly made of 2 chimp genes that fused. That was a big one.
@Gazdo01 First of all, there's no "WE" to it. You have done nothing personally, you are just puppeting what the evolution essayists claim. The assumptions made are incredible (in the truest sense of the word) and have NO scientific evidence for the conclusions they draw as neatly defined in your comment. That 2% consists of MILLIONS of differences, not just a couple or a few.
@KingJamesBible In science, nothing can be proven (read the epistemologist Karl Popper). Therefore, it is silly to ask for a "proof" of evolution. However, evolution is supported by facts. Evolution makes predictions that work. And most importantly, it has never been proven false. There are litteraly hundred of hypothetical discoveries that could be made to refute evolution: never happened.
@KingJamesBible "A man will "SAY" anything to keep his job or career based on what he was taught."
You don't understand AT ALL how science works. It's the absolute OPPOSITE of what you are saying. Fundamentaly, a scientist tries to REFUTE a hypothesis.
Do you know how famous and rich one would because by finding THE evidence AGAINST evolution? ... Never happened... 150 years of testings, and it NEVER happened. All we find CONFIRMS evolution.
@KingJamesBible "Language is caused by intelligence. DNA is the language of the cell"
You assume DNA has a special PURPOSE, which is not at all self-evident for the OBJECTIVE viewer. I've given you examples of RANDOM mutations and the advantage it produced in species.
To compare DNA to a langage is an assumption, because you PRESUPPOSE there is a meaning behind a DNA sequence. Your argument is circular. DNA codes for proteins/enzymes that make the cell work, doesn't mean there's a PURPOSE.
@KingJamesBible That's precisely the definion of what an ASSUMPTION is.
My suggestion to you: go to college and take an introduction to philosophy class. It'll do you much good, seriously. Sorry dude, but logical inference and deductive reasoning are really not your forte.
@Gaz "My suggestion.....take an introduction to philosophy class.
no surprise you would "suggest" this. As always, the EXACT OPPOSITE advice God gives.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
"Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ"
Translation: Colossians 2:8 Beware anyone who tries to show you evidence that contradicts this fairytale or makes you think critically about what it says, lest you will die and suffer forever and forever if the evidence should compel you to realize this religion is nothing but bullshit!
The bi-concave red blood cell has nothing to do with "design". Sorry Daniel, that is your opinion, which is OBVIOUSLY tainted with your fanatical religious POV.
If you are right, then care to explain the existence of sickle-cell disease or thalassemia? People can actually live with those diseases, yet their red blood cells are "imperfect".
Do you know why more AFRICANS carry the sickle-cell gene? Because being a "healthy carrier" helps against malaria, a disease found in Africa! Evolution...
@KingJamesBible See how you didn't explain anything? You just flee in your little corner. Typical empty debate with a protestant. There can be NO RATIONNAL DISCUSSION with a mind like your. None whatsoever. You are stuck inside your mind, Mr Pope...
You still can't explain SPHEROCYTOSIS.
You still can't explain SICKLE-CELL DISEASE.
You still can't explain THALASSEMIA.
But sure, the bi-concave red blood cell is designed...
Bronze age, Daniel... Bronze age... It's time to GROW UP.
Daniel... why do you automatically conclude to design simply because you find EFFICIENCY in nature??
There have certainly been THOUSANDS of different form of red blood cells in the history life, but this is the one we find today BECAUSE it is the better one. Nature is a big laboratory. During the course of existence, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of generations have succeded themselves... natural selection can sort out which caracterists are GOOD for survival, and which are BAD.
You would need to believe in the God of the Bible to understand. If you believe in the evolution religion... then this concept will be a problem for you
@KingJamesBible "You would need to believe in the God of the Bible to understand"
LOLOL
"If you believe in the evolution religion"
If you BELIEVE (as MEN have told you) that evolution is a religion, then you don't know neither what evolution is nor how science work. For the sake of argument, send me a message, 10 000 words or less, on what you understand about evolution. I don't think you KNOW what "evolution" actually is. There's no purpose arguying about something you can't properly define.
@Gaz "I don't think you KNOW what "evolution" actually is"
This is the old regurgitated crap spewed by the evolution evangelists that implies I'M SMART and you're dumb and if you only understood it like I do, then you would believe it.
Translation: You need more brainwashing before you'll believe evolution
I understand it way better than you think but unlike you, reject it because I like reality.
That's ALL I'm waiting for. You DON'T know what evolution is, because every time you try to attack evolution, you produce INACCURATE statements.
There's no brainwashing you moron!! Don't you see that YOU have been brainwashed... You talk of evolution yet you've NEVER OPENNED a biology book. Who is that "not brainwashed"???
@KingJamesBible ""Geez" (also spelled jeez) is a euphemism for Jesus and essentially taking his name in vain but no surprise coming from Cat-licker."
Ad hominem, AGAIN
"Evolution is a obscene fantasy that goes against the Bible on every single point."
You don't even know what evolution is, so how can you claim such a thing? Apparently, YOU are the only claiming to be smarter than God.
Your intellectual arrogance is an insult to the brain God gave you.
@gregrutz Proven? 150 years ago?? not even an "accredited" evolutionist beieves this. They think it was "proposed" 150 years ago and then "proven" LATER.
@gregrutz "probibly" This word is one of the MOST used words of an evolutionist. Translation: we don't know and have NO EVIDENCE but since we already ASSUMED evolution is true, we have to at least take a guess. The same evolutionist will then stand up in a classroom and declare it as FACT. and it's called science? No, it's a religion, based on faith.
@KingJamesBible I did not say it probible evolved. I said it was probifly round since most cells to planets are round. This is caused by forces in nature, something creationists don't see. Just because you can't find any evidence for evolution does not make it a religion.
Science does not comment on religion or the supernatural, they change no experiment or fact.
@gregrutz When someone dismisses God they result in substituting some(THING) else in HIS place. In your case "FORCES". Of course God knew this would happen and eventually when the Anti-Christ comes in (soon) he will honor the "god of FORCES" (that's satan for the Bible ignoramus)
Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
@KingJamesBible ''dismisses God'' ?!? I never said anything about God. ? You don't think there is a force of gravity. Every hear of Newton and his formula FORCE= mass X acceleration. Of course not, you have never opened a science book.
@gregrutz He brings back the subject to God, because he follows HUMANS who have told him that evolution goes against God.
He doesn't realize that the majority of christians today embrasse evolution because:
1. It's a fact
2. It's doesn't disprove God, nor does it go against Him
Daniel is not HONNEST. He doesn't care about the REAL answer. In other words, he doesn't care about TRUTH. He only care about being comforted in his belief system. he has a (not so secret) agenda unlike HONNEST people
@gregrutz Lucky for us he "accepted" the idea of heliocentrism, which apparently goes against the Bible (Ec 1.5, Joshua 10.12-13, Ps 104.5, ETC)...
That is because no one out there seriously disputes that fact... But had he lived 500 years ago, there's no doubt he would have been amongst the anti-Galileo crowd.
What he doesn't realize, is that NO ONE SERIOUSLY disputes the FACT of evolution neither. There is a false debate going on, created mostly in the USA, that is all.
@gregrutz Spherocytosis = SPHERICAL red blood cells. They exist, we don't have to assume the bi-concave disk shaped "normal" red blood cells have evolved from an unperfect and primitive red blood cell... it just DID, because it is more efficient for life.
@KingJamesBible Daniel... Again, I'm sorry to make you look like a perfect and pretentious fool, but we DO HAVE EVIDENCE...
Ever heard of SPHEROCYTOSIS?
What the fuck is that you might ask? Well, people who have this disease form SPHERICAL RED BLOOD CELLS!!!
Why is it RARE? Well... because is creates HEMOLYSIS, which is not very good for life. And here's where NATURAL SELECTION comes in... No good for life = less chance to reproduce and pass on your "defectious" genes.
@KingJamesBible Obviously, you didn't know about SPHEROCYTOSIS before I told you. Otherwise, you wouldn't have wasted your time (and reputation) on uploading a 9 minute video that implies spherical red blood cells don't (didn't) exist...
Youtube can be a very good thing, but it has the downside of giving people with no education and no scientific formation the possibility of spreading LIES. You follow MEN, as this man in this video. I follow FACTS and REASON.
Very true, friend. That's no problem for me, at all. Need I remind you that YOU were the one reproaching me following men. I never said that I don't listen to men. In fact, I know my knowledge and faith depend on PLENTY of them. But I'd like to rephrase: I don't follow men PER SE, I follow the logic and reason they follow.
This is only a reminder that you are no different than me. You too follow men, you just don't admit it.
The King James Bible did not have the
scriptures of Nicaea. I do not need to read a book that has been several times
mistranslated (just look at all the contradictions). Unless you can find
and read the original GREEK Bible it is time you realized that your version
just like all the others available in English are inaccurate.
physicsn1god 3 hours ago
Now lets talk about Mithra of Persia 1200 years before Christ, born on Dec 25th, mother was a virgin, performed miracles, taught about good and evil, was crucified dead for 3 days and was resurrected.
And Krishna of India born on Dec 25, of a virgin, performed miracles, murdered and was resurrected.
900 years before Christ, Shall I continue there are 5 others.
physicsn1god 4 days ago
I read the Bible "King James Version", but it is a retelling of a previous story 3000 years older..
The Egyptian God Horas was born on Dec 25th, born of a virgin, three kings followed a star in the east to witness his birth, at the age of 30 he was baptized and started a ministry teaching good is better than evil, he was known to his followers as the "light", he had 12 disciples, he healed the sick and walked on water, was betrayed, crucified dead for three days and then resurrected.
physicsn1god 4 days ago
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"The Egyptian God Horas"
"Mithra of Persia"
"Krishna of India"
All of those are false and unfounded. While mythical people and legends like those did influence the creation of Jesus' own character, his attributes weren't completely plagiarized from other characters. The bible writers weren't THAT dumb.
confettibrains 4 days ago
@physics Since the beginning (Genesis) you'll find Satan imitating what God does, that's his M.O. (Method of Operation), you would know this if you actully read the Bible.
Satan (the god of this world) imitates everything God does and satan had access to God word BEFORE it appeared on earth. You would know this also if you read the Bible. Try it sometimes, it's amazing.
KingJamesBible 2 days ago
King James where did you GO? Need to study that Bible a little more? Your history rusty? Your Bible starting to have contradictions? I f you want I will start listing them, have you got a year or two?
physicsn1god 5 days ago
And Sunday a holy day? The year has 364.24 days how do you divide that up into an even amount of Sundays? And given 2000 years since Christs death Sunday has to be off by over a year. And why did the Aztec's invent a calender accurate to a minute a year but Greeks, Romans, Chinese and Christians still can't get it right. The US government had to adjust their clocks last year. The Aztecs didn't.
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"And why did the Aztec's invent a calender accurate to a minute a year but Greeks, Romans, Chinese and Christians still can't get it right"
The Mayans were definitely a lot smarter and introspective than the people who wrote the other religions.
We should be worshiping their theology, not the fairytales of these old hairy arabs and italians.
confettibrains 5 days ago
Why is it that The Bible is only understood by 1/3 of the world and considered the word of God by even fewer? Why is it "Grimm's Fairy Tales" can be read and the lessons learned by every one including children. Who is the better author? And why is it YOU think your version of the Bible interpreted by YOU is the TRUE word of God? I think that makes you the most arrogant self righteous person on this planet. Come on keep up with me before the Sabbath.
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@physicsn Grimm's fairly tales cannot hold a candle to the King James Bible in any way. The KJB is THE most produced book in the world... ever, as in ALL time. No book can even come close in comparison. The Gideon organization alone (gideons.org) gave their 1 billioneth copy to G.W. Bush and that was back in 2000. If you look under my section of Bible preaching you'll find a BBC documentary - The making of the King James Bible. For a secular production, it's worth a watch
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"And why is it YOU think your version of the Bible interpreted by YOU is the TRUE word of God?"
Religion is entirely subjective and it's always true to the person who believes and preaches it.
Except to some political leaders, who often preach religion as a means of control and to sway opinions and garner support from the idiot population.
confettibrains 5 days ago
God lets man design and build and use artificial hearts and other body parts but the Bible tells YOU that blood cannot be reproduced. If you were dying would you refuse artificial or man made blood? Isn't the wine you drink during communion wine and made by man?
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@physicsn "Isn't the wine you drink during communion" No, it's not. Christians drink Grape juice not booze. You must be thinking of catholicism, they are the booze drinkers and the ones who have perverted the words of the living God.
Last supper:
Matt. 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, (Grape juice) until that day when I drink it new (NEW wine) with you in my Father's kingdom.
New wine is found in the cluster (Isa. 65:8), NOT a booze bottle
KingJamesBible 5 days ago
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"You must be thinking of catholicism they are the booze drinkers and the ones who have perverted the words of the living God"
lol catholics. They realized long ago that they had to bring their bronze-age mythology up on par with modern knowledge, otherwise their religion would lose too many fans. They have no choice but to accept biology, cosmology, alien life, all the other sciences. The only question they won't allow catholics to ask is what caused the big bang
confettibrains 5 days ago
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression.
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgressi
Verses that tell an educated person there was no need for Jesus, God was already going to forgive. Why did Jesus, Why does he forgive in OT and yet need to super forgive in NT?
And your blood design just proves all other shapes for blood cells were eliminated through nature selection. Dick Chaney is living without a heart
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@physi "Verses that tell an educated person there was no need for Jesus"
You LEFT out a part of the scripture (like satan did Gen.3) CLEAR THE GUILTY, that's why he had to come and shed his blood, SAME forgiveness but men don't just need forgiveness, they need redemption, remission and ultimately a glorified (brand new) physical body. There is FAR more to salvation than just forgiveness and Jesus death on the cross accomplished all of this. Try reading the Bible sometime.
KingJamesBible 5 days ago
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"There is FAR more to salvation than just forgiveness and Jesus death on the cross accomplished all of this"
Okay. Except jesus is a made up story character who has evolved over centuries.
vvv,jesusneverexisted,com
confettibrains 5 days ago
Scientist have replaced the magnesium in a plant chlorophyl to iron and they created a replacement for blood. No God needed. You say no one has ever seen code give rise to a life. but five hundred years ago Christians thought the earth was flat and the heavens were up there. A computer program has already been able to tell quantity without having to count. How? Children don’t learn this till they are three and it is considered a human ability.
if you want to let learn more physicsngod@yahoo.com
physicsn1god 1 week ago
@physicsn "they created a replacement for blood. No God needed"
If that's so, then this proves intelligence was REQUIRED.
"Christians thought the earth was flat"
I don't know what "Christians" you're referring to but no one who believed the Bible would think this, this is NOT a Bible doctrine.
"A computer program has already been able to tell quantity without having to count"
and who DESIGNED the computer? Who PROGRAMMED the code?
KingJamesBible 6 days ago
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"and who DESIGNED the computer? Who PROGRAMMED the code?"
Computers are not analogous to biological and pre-biological chemistry. For life to emerge it does not need code, it needs only a molecular structure with chemical properties that allows it to function in ways supportive for self-reproduction and metabolism (the two main characteristics that define life)
confettibrains 5 days ago
@physicsn1god - No they sure DIDN'T "create a replacement for blood" whoever told you That - Fed you pure Nonsense, - The Bible repeatedly Says : The Life of the flesh is in the Blood. - End of Story.
blackaboe 6 days ago
Check out the E-magazine, ZMEmagazine, Yes there are replacements for blood not just from plants but from other sources too. Do I need to teach you about the truth through physics, math and empirical data, not myth, fairy stories.
physicsn1god 5 days ago
If people see God they still want believe HIM. SMH
justcallmesolo 1 week ago
@justcallmesolo If you could see God, He would not be supernatural.
gregrutz 1 week ago
very cool
Jesusteama81 3 weeks ago
@MrMZaccone No I didn't think you would. which is exactly what the verse says. i have no reason to answer your silly question. proverbs says, "the fool says in his heart there is no God,"and "don't answer a fool according to His folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes." i'm sorry, but you are fooling no one but yourself.
DJMforever 4 weeks ago
Its depressing to see people deny how things work just so their ego can hold onto bronze-age worldviews
Is it really more comforting to them to think there's a guy sitting behind a cosmic computer pushing buttons and controlling life as if everyone's a character in a Sim's videogame? Is it more comforting to deny bio-evolution and imagine a universe whose only life is on Earth, rather than a universe teaming with intelligent life who are looking at our galaxy in the same way we look at others?
confettibrains 1 month ago
@con "as if everyone's a character in a Sim's videogame?"
So you have reveled how you have developed such a twisted, perverted and corrupt world-view. You play computer games and have confused reality with fantasy.
" teaming with intelligent life.. in the same way we look at others?"
we? What intelligent life?? More fantasy on your part. Stop watching so many hellywood movies and come down to REALITY and not the fantasy world you're living in.
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
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"So you have reveled how you have developed such a twisted, perverted and corrupt world-view. You play computer games and have confused reality with fantasy"
And you have revealed that you're a close-minded/unimaginative idiot who doesn't understand metaphors and analogies. You confuse ancient fairytales with the physical reality.
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible
"we? What intelligent life? More fantasy on your part"
I shouldn't have to elaborate what "we" means in that context. But I will say that it obviously doesn't include close-minded idiots like yourself who don't look at the cosmos with any analytical depth or rational perspective. Yes, there is more life out there. I know your anthropomorphic religion wants you to think God created the universe just to contain Earth and the drama of human society, but thats wrong
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
@confettibrains
"Yes, there is more life out there"
And I can say this affirmatively because all the constituents and conditions needed for animate molecular systems (life) exists all throughout the cosmos. Wherever there is a planet capable of producing RNA/TNA/DNA/GNA/PNA, it is only a matter of statistics for a small percentage of those trillions of RNA segments to fold over on themselves into intricate shapes that can behave like RNA polymerase (reproduction) and enzymes
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
@con "Yes, there is more life out there" < You changed your statement, before you said "teaming with intelligent life.. in the same way we look at others" the previous statement implies that the life (out there) is LIKE ours and "they" are looking at us like groups like (SETI) look at them. The problem is, it's non-existent. They may be looking but have found nothing. so, you can only ASSUME this, just like carl the pagan did, he ASSUMED too (but knows better now).
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
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"th previous statement implies that the life (out there) is LIKE ours"
Obviously no. Life on the other planets would look drastically different from us. Convergent evolution could make other biped primates like humans, but that's where the similarity would end. When I said "like us" I was referring to an evolved consciousness capable of thinking beyond the norm (norm on Earth has been to think the cosmos was created just for us, thus no point in looking for life)
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
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"The problem is, it's non-existent. They may be looking but have found nothing"
Actually, they haven't been looking. What they thought they were looking for, which is radiowaves, actually dissipate and loose cohesion within 1-2 lightyears. Every transmission we've sent in space wouldn't go much further than the Oort Cloud. The only way to get a signal between stars is with laser communications, and that's what needs to be scanned but so far no ones doing it
confettibrains 3 weeks ago 2
''1st non-ape human babies , but could produce offspring? The whole thing is ridiculas.''
That is because you don't understand how evolution happens. could NOT possibly come about with the random chance of evolution (the popular science fiction theory)
1. It is not radom, Darwin discoveren Natural Selection.
2. Evolution is a proven fact, the Theory shows how it happens.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@greg no, I DO understand it and that's why I reject it as a fabricated fantasy. Evolution takes place in the imagination and no where else on earth, never has, never will. There is no evidence and you ceratinly did not produce any. Selection is NOT A CREATIVE process, only in the imagination (science Fiction) does selection (CREATE)
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible There is no evidence ?!?
Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
gregrutz 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible
"I reject it as a fabricated fantasy"
But you have no problem accepting a concoction of past cultural beliefs and legends that have evolved into mainstream religion?
Tell me this then. You think humans require a creator because of our complexity (your inability to understand biology and chemistry), yet a creator who physically looks like a male human with a human personality (as shown in the OT bible) does not require a creator himself? That is f'ing stupid
confettibrains 1 month ago
@con "a creator who physically looks like a male human with a human personality "
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The Bible has not "evolved" into anything.
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
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"Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"
So tell me why you think it's logical to say humans require a creator because of our complex molecular structure, but a God who physically looks like his own creations does not require one himself?
Since there were many human ancestral species that looked different, does this mean God's physical appearance has evolved along with humans?
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
God is so great and he is so true and wise.
doobersmanster 1 month ago
molassas butter and vinegar..
organic medicine is awesome : )
synthetic medicine would have killed washington (if not chemically -financially)
molassas (sugar cane :grown in a garden)
butter (milked from cows -milk to butter)
vinegar (blackberries)
total cost for a gardener: $0.00
conclusion: time to get back to the basics : )
ClockNumerology 1 month ago
''and have NO EVIDENCE '' Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz NONE of which proves the evolution religion. Except in your imagination.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible So what evidence would prove evolution to you?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz Tell us (or show) the very BEST evidence YOU have for evolution. The very BEST.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Explain the fact that there were dinosaurs with feathers living 100 million years ago.
Explain why Chimp's DNA is closer to humans than it is to gorillas.
I gave you 2 because you will just deny #1
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz What a goof you are. Similarities do not mean that one came from another. What a childish perspective you have. BTW: there are MILLIONS of differences between chimps and men .......idiot!
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Of course there are millions of differences. We walk upright, and....
No wait, name them for me.
You share 98.6% of a chimps DNA, they are closer to humans than they are to gorillas.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz Space limits how absurb the idea of chimps related to humans are but I'll give one example. Chimps when born are almost completely Self sufficient, humans need months, yea YEARS of care before being on their own. Now ask yourself How would the 1st human babies survived? What is the probability that the last set of ape parents would give birth to dizygoti twins which could not only survive as the 1st non-ape human babies , but could produce offspring? The whole thing is ridiculas.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Chimps and humans have a common ancestor. The first human had a small head and didn't need to be born early and need extra care.
''the first non-ape human'' LOL Humans are still classified as APES.
. Wikipedia.
The Hominidae (also known as GREAT APES), as the term is used here, form a taxonomic family, including four extant genera: chimpanzees (Pan), gorillas (Gorilla), humans (Homo), and orangutans (Pongo).
The most recent common ancestor was 14 million years ago.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz "Chimps and humans have a common ancestor" Proof? NONE
This is all assumptions and imagination. There is NO evidence for this whatsoever.
You have been brainwashed by this fantasy to make you stupid and unable to think. and apparently, it works.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Muscle for muscle, bone for bone you are the same as a Chimp. You are less than 2% different. And you don't think there is any evidence humans and chimps are related?
How do you explain humans have 23 chromosomes pairs, chimps have 24, but the human chromosome #2 is made out from the fusion of 2 chimp chromosomes?
[thanks Gazdo01]
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz The point made about chromosome #2 is in my mind irrefutable. That just shows in a PRACTICAL matter (even the most stupid of people can understand that), that if we shared a common ancestor, then there must be an explanation why we miss 1 pair of chromosome compared to apes. What happened? You are right: they FUSED. That doesn't explain by itself the evolution of man, but it's a remnant of the evolutionistic mechanism.
Kenneth Miller is fantastic: /watch?v=8FGYzZOZxMw
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gazdo01 Thanks again. Endogenous Retroviruses are my favorite proof of evolution.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz LOL "Endogenous Retroviruses "...
Stop using such complicated words, you get KJB all confused :)
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DJMforever 1 month ago
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@Gazdo01 All I gotta say is you guys are idiots and I agree with KJB 100%. If you want SCIENTIFIC PROOF of creation check out Kenneth Hovind. He refutes half the crap you guys are brainwashed to believed. Who's brainwashed here? I decided, as an adult and based on evidence and the Holy Spirit, that the Bible is irrefutable, but you have probably believed in evolution since it was taught to you as a child. Duh?
DJMforever 1 month ago
@DJMforever *kent hovind
DJMforever 4 weeks ago
@DJMforever "He refutes half the crap you guys are brainwashed to believed."
And I refute 100% of what he says.
You CANNOT be serious... Ken Hovind... REALLY?? Why do you stick with the laughing stock of the whole scientific community, and reject what 100% of real accredited, peer-reviewed scientists say?
Tell me, what did Ken Hovind and his pseudo-scientific approach has produced for us? What advances in science did we make thanks to his theories?
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@DJMforever You and Daniel are dishonest people, who don't seek true, but are convinced they already found it. If you seriously think Ken Hovind refutes anything at all, then it shows you never read an actual biology book.
Ken Hovind is such a disgrace to the intellect, you should feel ashamed to even mention his name in a serious discussion like this one I'm trying to have.
Start reading the conversation I've had with KJB the past 2 months... maybe you can answer some objections I've made.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@Gazdo01 You and everyone else on this post have already been answered. You haven't 'won' any conversation or debate. I won't be commenting on this post anymore, as your questions aren't worthy of an answer. Maybe if you ask a question that has a point or relevancy then it would be answered.
DJMforever 3 weeks ago
@DJMforever "You and everyone else on this post have already been answered"
Not quite...
Spherocytosis?
Sickle-cell disease?
Thalassemia?
The advantage sickle cell healthy carrier have for malaria?
Why is human chromosome #2 made up of the fusion of 2 chimp chromosomes?
A single peer-reviewed article that refutes evolution??
Mmmmm I guess you left out those simple questions I've been asking for the past month on a daily basis... Ahhh yes....
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@Gaz "you never read an actual biology book"
Sure have but I, unlike you spit out the bones (evolution) and just eat the meat.
KingJamesBible 2 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible So why it is you don't understand evolution? Even the most basis stuff you don't know about...
Every critic you make is invalid. It doesn't attack the REAL THEORY OF EVOLUTION, but rather a construct of your imagination, and that of the anti-evolution crowd.
You can fight it all you want, we don't care. We know science works. We know what is true. One day, you're gonna be dead, and your theory will die with you, soon enough.
Veritas Vincit, Truth always wins.
Gazdo01 2 weeks ago
@Gaz "doesn't attack the REAL THEORY OF EVOLUTION"
aaaaah yes the "real" theory as if I don't understand it and that's why I reject it. This is the EXACT SAME APPEAL that every cult in the world uses. From freemasons and rosicrucians to mormoms, catholics and of course evolution. If you only understood the "REAL" knowledge that "WE" understand you would be enlightened like "WE" are.
This has always been Satan's tactic "then your eyes shall be opened" eating from the tree of KNOWLEDGE.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible
"If you only understood the "REAL" knowledge that "WE" understand you would be enlightened like "WE" are"
And it's true. People who understand biology/evolution will believe it, people who don't understand it, won't believe. This is why the vast majority of people who do not believe evolutionary biology are people who don't know the science behind it. You need real knowledge for science, but you need only primitive feelings to have faith in mysticism/religion
confettibrains 1 week ago
@con "You need real knowledge for science"
dispite what you think I studied biology for many years in school. Evolution has nothing to do with it unless you FORCE it in and make it APPEAR like it happens. It doesn't.
You have eaten from satan's TREE (of knowledge)
KingJamesBible 3 days ago
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"I studied biology for many years in school. Evolution has nothing to do with it"
Sounds like you must have been given the watered-down half-assed version of biology at the local theist indoctrination school
"make it APPEAR like it happens"
Yeah, how dare scientists use empirical data and observed facts to bring us to the most logical conclusion to explain the diversity of species. Especially observed instances of speciation. I suppose you think Satan did that
confettibrains 3 days ago
@greg Gazdo is a fool and an idiot who thinks he's smarter than God. There are MILLIONS of differences between chimps and men, not just 2%. How do you explain the simple fact that man is the only creature that is not born with clothes? Chimps are born with their clothes.(fur) I think it would be a benefit to be born with clothes. IF evolution was true, it's stupid based on this fact alone.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible How do you explain the simple fact that man is the only creature that is not born with clothes?
WHAT? No animal is born with clothes !
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Fur is just thick hair, their hair is thicker, 2% difference.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@greg that FUR is their CLOTHES... dummy. Men wear clothes MADE from animals or plants that we must MAKE (manufacture, from DESIGN). Explain WHY this is. No animal does this, just us "evolved" (sarcasm) humans. Explain WHY this is, IF evolution is true.
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible Humans wear clothes so they don't get cold dummy.
We could have stayed in Africa where our light fur we call hair is all we would need.
'' just us "evolved" (sarcasm) humans'' All animals and plants living today are as evolved as we are. Your sarcasm proves how stupid you are.
gregrutz 3 weeks ago
@greg "Humans wear clothes so they don't get cold dummy" If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They don't, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up.
Why?
SIN!
Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
KingJamesBible 2 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible We don't NEED to cover up due to SIN, don't be silly.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
@greg I see you missed the point. If evolution were true why does man (and ONLY man) need to make his clothes? Every other creature on earth, too many to count does NOT.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible Man does not NEED to make clothes. Humans CAN make clothes which allows him to live in places other than where they evolved, in Africa.
gregrutz 1 week ago
@greg Why is that? If evolution were true then men (the so-called HIGHEST FORM) of evolution would have had the clothes "evolve" I thought evolution was all about adaptation and mutation. If men moved from Africa to (extremes) like Alaska, why didn't they "ADAPT" clothes in the porocess?? silly
aside from that, people in Africa STILL were clothes for protection and other uses.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible
"If evolution were true"
Then it would have substantial evidence for it ranging from numerous fields of study that independent confirm each others' predictions.
Take 30 minutes to research the empirical data for evolution theory. Contrast the wikipedia entrance for I.D. hypothesis with the one on evolution theory. I see the former has no empirical data for it, while the latter has mountains. What do you see?
confettibrains 1 week ago
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"If evolution were true then men (the so-called HIGHEST FORM) of evolution would have had the clothes "evolve"
Wrong.
Please, just take 30 minutes to learn how evolution works.
"If men moved from Africa to (extremes) like Alaska, why didn't they "ADAPT" clothes in the porocess??"
That question can be answered if you would just take a brief moment to try and comprehend how evolution works. Then think hard about why humans wouldn't need to evolve fur
confettibrains 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible
"people in Africa STILL were clothes for protection and other uses"
The clothes are a matter of comfort, not survival. Many bush tribes don't wear clothes.
confettibrains 1 week ago
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"wear clothes so they don't get cold dummy" If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They dont, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up"
Actually many primitive tribes do run around naked. And for the people who wear drapes, those are typically to prevent sun burn and protect against brush/branches. Genitals are covered up because it is a sensitive zone, and we instinctively guard such regions (eyes/mouth/face)
confettibrains 2 weeks ago
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"If that was true, men in WARM / HOT climates would be running around naked. They don't, instinctively we know they NEED to cover ourselves up"
Evidence of humans living naked for long spans of time is the fact dicks have a natural tan. This pigment has evolved to prevent dick sun burn, because it's a total disadvantage to have a dick too painful to fuck with.
confettibrains 2 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible "Gazdo is a fool and an idiot who thinks he's smarter than God"
I'd really wish you'd cut the puerile name calling, and start giving actual arguments. I've said it before... Apparently, the "fool" here is the one with to argument whatsoever. How easy it is to insult other people. Even 5 years old can do that.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
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@KingJamesBible
"This is all assumptions and imagination. There is NO evidence for this whatsoever. You have been brainwashed by this fantasy to make you stupid and unable to think. and apparently, it works.
You sure do like to slander science with accusations such as, "no evidence" "fantasy" "speculative assumptions" "magical"
But have you ever realized how ironic it is to slander science because it contradicts your faith in bronze-age mythology?
confettibrains 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible There is more evidence of mans evolution from apes than there is you are mentally competent, Insanity is defined as someone who is delusional and you obviously are, go to a museum or pick up a book, each step apes had to progress in order to survive has a fossil record. The Kings James Bible is the same as Grimm's Fairy stories, written by story tellers to teach a lesson. Over 500 contradictions in the New Testament proves it is all how you say something not what is being said.
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@KingJamesBible You see evolution as these GIANTS steps, when they are tiny variations at a time.
What you are doing goes exactly like this: you look at me (grown man) and say it is impossible that I came out of a woman's womb. That's not how evolution works!!!!
Evolution is like taking a picture of yourself everyday of your life. You NEVER can tell the difference between parents and their child, but after let's say 100 000 generations, you look back at see A difference.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Ga "you look at me (grown man) and say it is impossible that I came out of a woman's womb"
No I wouldn't even think to say that since I can OBSERVE IT. The difference is observation, evolution is not obsevered, it's imagined in your mind. That's the only place evolution happenes, in your mind or in a cartoon/computer animation.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Actually evolution has been observed in labs and reproduced decades ago.
Emergence of Nylon Oligomer Degradation Enzymes in
Pseudomonas aeruginosa PAO through Experimental Evolution
IRFAN D. PRIJAMBADA, SEIJI NEGORO,* TETSUYA YOMO, AND ITARU URABE
Department of Biotechnology, Faculty of Engineering, Osaka University, 2-1 Yamada-oka, Suita, Osaka 565, Japan
Received 7 November 1994/Accepted 8 February 1995
gregrutz 1 month ago
@greg Oh stop it, what a niave and gullible person you are.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word; But the prudent man looketh well to his going.
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible You are the gullible person who believes we all came off a boat.
And dead people can rise from the dead.
gregrutz 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible "No I wouldn't even think to say that since I can OBSERVE IT"
No you can't, that's the point of the analogy.
You CANNOT observe me growing from SECOND to SECOND.
You can observe the difference if we haven't seen each other for a couple of years. Then it becomes apparent.
I compared every second of my life to a generation in a specie. You can NEVER tell the difference between parents and their children, just as you can NEVER tell the difference on me from second to second.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible "evolution is not obsevered"
Yes it is. But your simplistic brain cannot understand how science works.
Hey buddy, we're not in 1700 anymore... Scientists don't need to actually SEE in a lab with their naked eye a phenomenon to actually declare it true. There are other ways to mesure things...
Answer me: Nobody has ever seen an electron. Consequently, do you reject the atomic theory??
Nobody's been inside the Earth or the Sun, but we know what's in them. Do you reject that ??
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@Gaz "Nobody's been inside the Earth" If you read your Bible you would know this is not true.
"your simplistic brain"
Compared to God the smartest man who ever lived has one of these so the best thing to do is just believe what God said and glean from that.
KingJamesBible 2 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible Are you suggesting men actually went to the center of the Earth??
Gazdo01 2 weeks ago
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"Are you suggesting men actually went to the center of the Earth??"
If someone believes a person can live in the digestive juices of a whale for 3 days, and believes God looks like a supernatural black homo sapien in appearance, then I'm sure these people are naive enough to believe just about any far-fetched fairytale just as long as it does not involve empirical/scientific evidence. Some people's brains are just structured to favor mysticism over logic and reason
confettibrains 2 weeks ago
@Gaz "suggesting"
No one is "suggesting" anything. This is what happens when men do not have and read their Bible >>>>>> Ignorance
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible
"the best thing to do is just believe what God said and glean from that"
No. The best thing to do isn't to believe every story you read, especially not ancient mythology. If something requires faith to believe (mandatory for religion), then it has no bearing with evidence. If the biblical God were true he would not create so much evidence in the world against his himself. Life and our planet have the vestiges and signs of evolution and lengthy processes all over
confettibrains 2 weeks ago
@con "If something requires faith to believe (mandatory for religion), then it has no bearing with evidence"
and there's no evidence for evolution, it's a faith based religion. If you have evidence? Then give it here: lifescienceprize(DOT)org/
"If the biblical God were true he would not create so much evidence in the world against his himself"
I agree and the whole creation is evidence of his work.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible
"there's no evidence for evolution, it's a faith based religion"
Go to google, type "evolution theory empirical data" or type "evolution" in Pubmed to see the numerous observed instances of evolution.
Hiding your head and pretending the biological evidence doesn't exist does not make it go away for anyone but yourself.
confettibrains 1 week ago
"the numerous observed instances of evolution"
According to what definition of evolution? Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists which make claims that cannot be proven and are not science.
KingJamesBible 4 days ago
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"According to what definition of evolution?"
The definition is that organisms evolve (in other words, change to better suit a condition)
"Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists"
Blah blah blah. Why don't you read any of them and tell us why the science is wrong? These peer reviewed papers involve observations of facts. Then the science explains them, and tests predictions. So tell me how its wrong?
confettibrains 4 days ago
@KingJamesBible
"Those so-called peer reviewed articles that are published are nothing more than propaganda essayists"
So you deny the documented appearance of novel genes and novel adaptations? And the observed instances of speciation?
The only propaganda essayists are by the creation "scientist" peer review boards who reject empirical science and accommodate supernaturality, because their religion only makes sense when explained with pseudoscience and mysticism.
confettibrains 4 days ago
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"If the biblical God were true he would not create so much evidence in the world against his himself"
---I agree and the whole creation is evidence of his work"
You agree that there is so much evidence against God, and all observations coincide with slow, natural, quantifiable processes as predicted in science?
Glad to see we're on the same page.
confettibrains 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible ''so the best thing to do is just believe what God said''
WHICH GOD? If you live in the middle east your god is Allah.
gregrutz 1 week ago
@greg There are people accept the ture God, Jesus Christ that live in the middle east as well as every place on earth.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
@KingJamesBible I am GOD, I can answer any question put to me, I can tell you where and when the universe began, I can tell you why you are here and what will happen tomorrow. I can stop time, space, even gravity. I can explain all things to a person who can think freely and with a mathematical, logical and scientific understanding of physics. Go ahead ask me anything. physicsngod@yahoo.com
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@KingJamesBible Again read a book, look at the fossil record, a salamander in Washington state had to change its DNA in order to survive the increasingly warming temperatures. And it did, the studies were absolute FACT.
physicsn1god 5 days ago
@KingJamesBible So, asking HOW the FIRST human baby survived is quite an absurd question and proves you don't understand a SINGLE THING of what evolution actually is.
Every single biologist would also deny the kind of "evolution" you refer to... everybody would.
That is not the kind of evolution that has been proven for the past 150 years.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
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I would claim that DNA is the best proof for evolution.
As soon as we discovered how genes work phenotypically, and how they're transmitted from one generation to the other, then evolution was demonstrably true. Also, our understanding of mutations was a big step ahead. Finally, the human genome project. The fact that we have 23 pairs of genes, and chimps have 24... but we discovered that 1 of our pairs is actually exactly made of 2 chimp genes that fused. That was a big one.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gazdo01 First of all, there's no "WE" to it. You have done nothing personally, you are just puppeting what the evolution essayists claim. The assumptions made are incredible (in the truest sense of the word) and have NO scientific evidence for the conclusions they draw as neatly defined in your comment. That 2% consists of MILLIONS of differences, not just a couple or a few.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
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@KingJamesBible "We" as in humanity. Knowledge is to be shared.
"You have done nothing personally"
I studied it, that's one thing.
"you are just puppeting what the evolution essayists claim"
That's the beauty about peer reviewed articles. You can VERIFY by yourself what is "claimed". So no, I'm not just puppeting.
"The assumptions made are incredible"
Many things seems incredible for the ignorant. Most of what we consider normal today would have sounded INCREDIBLE to a 19th century person
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible In science, nothing can be proven (read the epistemologist Karl Popper). Therefore, it is silly to ask for a "proof" of evolution. However, evolution is supported by facts. Evolution makes predictions that work. And most importantly, it has never been proven false. There are litteraly hundred of hypothetical discoveries that could be made to refute evolution: never happened.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@greg All you've done is listed science categories, categories are not evidence. every category you listed proves creation, not evolution.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible All science supports Evolution.
Astromers say the universe is 13.7 billion years old.
Geologists say the earth is millions of years old.
Nuclear Chemists say the oldest rock in the solar system is 4.5 billion years old.
Paleontologist say animals changed over time by looking at the fossils.
DNA experts proved evolution happens.
How does any of this support your stories of creation?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gre "Astromers say" "Geologists say" "Nuclear Chemists say" "Paleontologist say"
A man will "SAY" anything to keep his job or career based on what he was taught. That does not make it EVIDENCE!
Language is caused by intelligence
DNA is the language of the cell
Therefore, DNA had an intelligent cause
KingJamesBible 3 weeks ago
@King
''DNA is the language of the cell''
NO, DNA is a molecule that can be copied to make proteins.
gregrutz 3 weeks ago
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@KingJamesBible "A man will "SAY" anything to keep his job or career based on what he was taught."
You don't understand AT ALL how science works. It's the absolute OPPOSITE of what you are saying. Fundamentaly, a scientist tries to REFUTE a hypothesis.
Do you know how famous and rich one would because by finding THE evidence AGAINST evolution? ... Never happened... 150 years of testings, and it NEVER happened. All we find CONFIRMS evolution.
"That does not make it EVIDENCE"
YES, it is.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible "Language is caused by intelligence. DNA is the language of the cell"
You assume DNA has a special PURPOSE, which is not at all self-evident for the OBJECTIVE viewer. I've given you examples of RANDOM mutations and the advantage it produced in species.
To compare DNA to a langage is an assumption, because you PRESUPPOSE there is a meaning behind a DNA sequence. Your argument is circular. DNA codes for proteins/enzymes that make the cell work, doesn't mean there's a PURPOSE.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@Gaz "You assume DNA has a special PURPOSE"
Obviously. Since God created us and did so for a PURPOSE. Everything God made is for a purpose.
KingJamesBible 2 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible That's precisely the definion of what an ASSUMPTION is.
My suggestion to you: go to college and take an introduction to philosophy class. It'll do you much good, seriously. Sorry dude, but logical inference and deductive reasoning are really not your forte.
Gazdo01 2 weeks ago
@Gaz "My suggestion.....take an introduction to philosophy class.
no surprise you would "suggest" this. As always, the EXACT OPPOSITE advice God gives.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
KingJamesBible 1 week ago
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"Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ"
Translation: Colossians 2:8 Beware anyone who tries to show you evidence that contradicts this fairytale or makes you think critically about what it says, lest you will die and suffer forever and forever if the evidence should compel you to realize this religion is nothing but bullshit!
confettibrains 1 week ago
The bi-concave red blood cell has nothing to do with "design". Sorry Daniel, that is your opinion, which is OBVIOUSLY tainted with your fanatical religious POV.
If you are right, then care to explain the existence of sickle-cell disease or thalassemia? People can actually live with those diseases, yet their red blood cells are "imperfect".
Do you know why more AFRICANS carry the sickle-cell gene? Because being a "healthy carrier" helps against malaria, a disease found in Africa! Evolution...
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gaz "The bi-concave red blood cell has nothing to do with "design". "
You would need to believe the God of the Bible to believe this.. so yea, I guess seeing what God DESIGNED is a problem for you.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible See how you didn't explain anything? You just flee in your little corner. Typical empty debate with a protestant. There can be NO RATIONNAL DISCUSSION with a mind like your. None whatsoever. You are stuck inside your mind, Mr Pope...
You still can't explain SPHEROCYTOSIS.
You still can't explain SICKLE-CELL DISEASE.
You still can't explain THALASSEMIA.
But sure, the bi-concave red blood cell is designed...
Bronze age, Daniel... Bronze age... It's time to GROW UP.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
Daniel... why do you automatically conclude to design simply because you find EFFICIENCY in nature??
There have certainly been THOUSANDS of different form of red blood cells in the history life, but this is the one we find today BECAUSE it is the better one. Nature is a big laboratory. During the course of existence, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of generations have succeded themselves... natural selection can sort out which caracterists are GOOD for survival, and which are BAD.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gaz "why do you ..conclude to design"
You would need to believe in the God of the Bible to understand. If you believe in the evolution religion... then this concept will be a problem for you
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible "You would need to believe in the God of the Bible to understand"
LOLOL
"If you believe in the evolution religion"
If you BELIEVE (as MEN have told you) that evolution is a religion, then you don't know neither what evolution is nor how science work. For the sake of argument, send me a message, 10 000 words or less, on what you understand about evolution. I don't think you KNOW what "evolution" actually is. There's no purpose arguying about something you can't properly define.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gaz "I don't think you KNOW what "evolution" actually is"
This is the old regurgitated crap spewed by the evolution evangelists that implies I'M SMART and you're dumb and if you only understood it like I do, then you would believe it.
Translation: You need more brainwashing before you'll believe evolution
I understand it way better than you think but unlike you, reject it because I like reality.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible "This is the old regurgitated crap spewed"
I don't IMPLY anything. PROVE ME WRONG.
WHAT ARE YOUR ARGUMENTS????
That's ALL I'm waiting for. You DON'T know what evolution is, because every time you try to attack evolution, you produce INACCURATE statements.
There's no brainwashing you moron!! Don't you see that YOU have been brainwashed... You talk of evolution yet you've NEVER OPENNED a biology book. Who is that "not brainwashed"???
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible "I understand it way better than you think"
PROVE IT
You either PUT UP, or you SHUT UP
"because I like reality."
???? Ahhh ok... because everybody else likes illusions... lol
Geez, it's like talking with a kid. It's like you never interracted EVER with other human beings...
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gaz "Geez" (also spelled jeez) is a euphemism for Jesus and essentially taking his name in vain but no surprise coming from Cat-licker.
Evolution is a obscene fantasy that goes against the Bible on every single point.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
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@KingJamesBible ""Geez" (also spelled jeez) is a euphemism for Jesus and essentially taking his name in vain but no surprise coming from Cat-licker."
Ad hominem, AGAIN
"Evolution is a obscene fantasy that goes against the Bible on every single point."
You don't even know what evolution is, so how can you claim such a thing? Apparently, YOU are the only claiming to be smarter than God.
Your intellectual arrogance is an insult to the brain God gave you.
Gazdo01 3 weeks ago
@KingJamesBible I AM WAITING
Explain the existence of spherocytosis, sickle-cell disease and thalassemia.
How many biology books have you read?
What is evolution according to Daniel "I'm my own pope" KJB ?
Why don't you admit that healthy carriers of sickle-cell disease have an biological advantage in regions where malaria is highly prevalent?
How do you explain humans have 23 chromosomes pairs, chimps have 24, but the human chromosome #2 is made out from the fusion of 2 chimp chromosomes?
Gazdo01 1 month ago
why was this shit in my suggestions....
killjoy94o8 1 month ago
If a man wants to believe in God then let him if he does not then let him. Free will is a powerful thing and can explain many things
gtafans93 2 months ago
You people talk like you don't know evolution was proven 150 years ago.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz Proven? 150 years ago?? not even an "accredited" evolutionist beieves this. They think it was "proposed" 150 years ago and then "proven" LATER.
KingJamesBible 3 months ago
The first blood cell was probibly round and evolved to be the ideal shape.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz "probibly" This word is one of the MOST used words of an evolutionist. Translation: we don't know and have NO EVIDENCE but since we already ASSUMED evolution is true, we have to at least take a guess. The same evolutionist will then stand up in a classroom and declare it as FACT. and it's called science? No, it's a religion, based on faith.
KingJamesBible 3 months ago
@KingJamesBible I did not say it probible evolved. I said it was probifly round since most cells to planets are round. This is caused by forces in nature, something creationists don't see. Just because you can't find any evidence for evolution does not make it a religion.
Science does not comment on religion or the supernatural, they change no experiment or fact.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz When someone dismisses God they result in substituting some(THING) else in HIS place. In your case "FORCES". Of course God knew this would happen and eventually when the Anti-Christ comes in (soon) he will honor the "god of FORCES" (that's satan for the Bible ignoramus)
Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
KingJamesBible 3 months ago
@KingJamesBible ''dismisses God'' ?!? I never said anything about God. ? You don't think there is a force of gravity. Every hear of Newton and his formula FORCE= mass X acceleration. Of course not, you have never opened a science book.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@KingJamesBible ''When someone dismisses God ''
I never said anything about God. What does God have to do with red blood cells? Why do you keep changing the subject to God?
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz He brings back the subject to God, because he follows HUMANS who have told him that evolution goes against God.
He doesn't realize that the majority of christians today embrasse evolution because:
1. It's a fact
2. It's doesn't disprove God, nor does it go against Him
Daniel is not HONNEST. He doesn't care about the REAL answer. In other words, he doesn't care about TRUTH. He only care about being comforted in his belief system. he has a (not so secret) agenda unlike HONNEST people
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@gregrutz Lucky for us he "accepted" the idea of heliocentrism, which apparently goes against the Bible (Ec 1.5, Joshua 10.12-13, Ps 104.5, ETC)...
That is because no one out there seriously disputes that fact... But had he lived 500 years ago, there's no doubt he would have been amongst the anti-Galileo crowd.
What he doesn't realize, is that NO ONE SERIOUSLY disputes the FACT of evolution neither. There is a false debate going on, created mostly in the USA, that is all.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@greg "What does God have to do with red blood cells? "
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made (includes blood cells) that was made.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
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@KingJamesBible "All things were made by him"
That doesn't explain HOW.
Saying all things were made by God is not an explanation for anything. Indeed, I've just DEMOLISHED the video in one word: SPHEROCYTOSIS.
If it was up to men like you, we would still be living in bronze age. Why are you even using a computer? Quantum physics, that's evil too, right?
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible @gregrutz @Gazdo01 It's useless, bro. Only the Holy Spirit can work on a hardened heart. I wouldn't bother.
DJMforever 4 weeks ago
@gregrutz Spherocytosis = SPHERICAL red blood cells. They exist, we don't have to assume the bi-concave disk shaped "normal" red blood cells have evolved from an unperfect and primitive red blood cell... it just DID, because it is more efficient for life.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Daniel... Again, I'm sorry to make you look like a perfect and pretentious fool, but we DO HAVE EVIDENCE...
Ever heard of SPHEROCYTOSIS?
What the fuck is that you might ask? Well, people who have this disease form SPHERICAL RED BLOOD CELLS!!!
Why is it RARE? Well... because is creates HEMOLYSIS, which is not very good for life. And here's where NATURAL SELECTION comes in... No good for life = less chance to reproduce and pass on your "defectious" genes.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gaz "What the f**k is that you might ask?" No, we Christians do not use the foul, filthy language of the world, so, no I would NOT ask that.
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible Obviously, you didn't know about SPHEROCYTOSIS before I told you. Otherwise, you wouldn't have wasted your time (and reputation) on uploading a 9 minute video that implies spherical red blood cells don't (didn't) exist...
Youtube can be a very good thing, but it has the downside of giving people with no education and no scientific formation the possibility of spreading LIES. You follow MEN, as this man in this video. I follow FACTS and REASON.
Gazdo01 1 month ago
@Gazdo01 "You follow MEN"
I'ld like to remind you of what you recently said on my channel
QUOTE > "When I read the Apostollic Fathers, like St Clement of Rome, St Ignatius, St Polycarpus, Papias... I TRUST what they say"
The "They" are MEN
KingJamesBible 1 month ago
@KingJamesBible "The "They" are MEN"
Very true, friend. That's no problem for me, at all. Need I remind you that YOU were the one reproaching me following men. I never said that I don't listen to men. In fact, I know my knowledge and faith depend on PLENTY of them. But I'd like to rephrase: I don't follow men PER SE, I follow the logic and reason they follow.
This is only a reminder that you are no different than me. You too follow men, you just don't admit it.
Gazdo01 1 month ago